Gemara Markings Daf Yomi
Bava Metzia 37
lama design and all of about twelve lines down at the new mission amrallish nayyam you have a fellow who walks over to two people walks over to al and bob he says listen alan bob gazard the leg of mike and mana i stole from one of you a hundred thousand dollars the any idea is mike and i don't know which one of you comma or there's another scenario let's see walks over to alan bob and he says of the shell at the camp the father of one of you uh... one of your guys father's hif kid lee who's no longer alive anymore deposited with me mana a hundred the any idea and i don't know he's a who or if it was your father aller your father bob so uh... what's he supposed to do and he did these cases nice and is a model is a man he gives each one of them one hundred now even though he was only given a hundred he's basically paying an extra hundred out-of-pocket show you dummy pia smi and because he had to come admitted admitted this on his right the first case was either he said to two people that that he was accused reason court and as second also is where he's uh... offerings information slash here's another case um... shnayam shehif kidu i underline shnayam shehif kidu it's all set imagine if you have to people will call him alan bob alan bob deposited money with uh... gym zemana visit my same one of the two aller bob deposited one hundred one of the deposited two hundred now they come back and a week later zellie mary shalim as i am al says area of the two hundred was mine there's a nightmare and bob says shalim as i am one was the two hundred now the guy was watching the money scratching his head cuz he's got one hundred and two hundred three hundred and they're both claiming two hundred no sense of what's the supposed to do now well he gives a lot of money gives a lot of hundred lasamana and bob a hundred what about the third hundred each one of his claiming that it's theirs the hash are in the rest in the morning that she'll be out that a will just call it put it on top of the refrigerator until it can be clarified when alia when i becomes comma amara review see we had is the beginning of this act of quoted by box reviews comes along as one second here where is there at all an incentive to prevent people from lying now one of these guys will assume probably knows the positive two hundred the other one is the positive one hundred but each one is claiming two hundred and that's not good for society sir be also says in came if you can give each one hundred meeting the one who really deposit a hundred is claiming two hundred isn't losing anything as he's getting this hundred in came my hips and what would be the loss to the ramai to the lie of the cheater allah you know what reveals he says haco le muna i'd show the whole the entire three hundred dollars gets put on top of the fridge until the issue can be clarified which would certainly encourage people who only deposit a hundred when they come back to request a hundred cause if it turns out that this big maklok is taking a lose everything the cage make a limb and lunch make a limb imagine if you have uh... two people um... depositing bowling balls one deposits a fifty dollar um... uh... one hundred dollar bowling ball one deposits a thousand dollar bowling ball both of them by the way our emerald green which make a little at the offer mona one of them is worth a hundred that had yet that elif zulu's and the other ones with a thousand zellie mary come back i don't know a month later uh... al says yuffishly oh yeah the thousand dollar uh... emerald green bowling ball is mine the zellie mary the other one says yuffishly yeah yeah the thousand dollar one is mine what's he supposed to do now so nice and as a cotton he gives the hundred-dollar emerald green bowling ball left on him to one of the two and the other one now what's it supposed to do with it well only take a got a nice and to me cut on the chain maybe bowling balls not the best example but uh... from the larger one will say the more valuable one he gives the equivalent value of the smaller ones he basically is a hundred dollars of the bigger one what happens with the rest now it's not going to sell zits and uh... splits the keeps nine hundred of the value and gives a hundred or if it's some type of item that can be uh... cut up into pieces but i'll show you when i look at you know the rest weights until it will come to clarify the issue on rob josey robiosy comes in again in this case and uh... says the same thing said before we box for bosey in can if you're going to give each one of them at least a hundred dollars and the one who gave the bowling balls was worth less was with a hundred dollars then what is possibly discouraging him from lying and uh... claiming that something that's not really as it says he became my ifsid were to be a loss to the ramai ela you know you do you put both emerald green bowling balls on top of the fridge shall you have called him when i thought you know which would certainly encourage people who are a little bit crooked to uh... reclaim only that which is rightfully theirs that's the and the mission okay now from the ratio of the mission alma i've entered the alma it seems pretty clear uh... you had uh... person and he only stole a hundred from one of the two but it doesn't know yet we tell me as to pay out of pocket a whole mother hundred it seems like miss fakim of kingdom among them because of a situation of suffix where we're not sure we will take money away from a person that's right for his uh... hundred the second hundred's right for his the loyam renan we do not employ the principal of who came on one of us that's more just let the money stay with the person that we last know had it so when this fellow is going to be paying the second hundred that's his money we don't say you can just keep it he has to pay it even though it's only a soft fake uh... to the person is paying it to whether it's really money owed to him the thing with that is oorimini we have a today sources actually are mission which will quote now almost three and a half lines and um... it's basically the part of the mission which is after the slash shinaim shiv kiddo is that how do you have alan bob and the deposited uh... money by jim zemana one of them gave a hundreds and my sign the other one gave two hundred they come back a week later and each one al and bob claims they only miss shalima sign you know the two hundreds mine i'd like it back design that was the same thing shalima sign mine is a two hundred well this guy's only got a total of three hundred and he's got two people each requesting two hundred for total four hundred so what does he do no use and what's a model is a money gives a hundred each one of them the hash are you what i'd show really on the rest gets put on top of the proverbial fridge until it can be clarified um... that does not sound like he has to pay two hundred out of pocket to one of the people in two hundred out of pocket to the other person so uh... what's going on here well i'm our lay um... actually i'm a lay is who's speaking but whoever uh... pointed this out it was said back to them um... pikaldana gazel karam is one second let's get a step back the case of the ratio is where um... let's say jim stole from one of two people okay fine so he said he has to give back uh... uh... a hundred to each one of them and sort of pay out of pocket um... where it was deposited by jim jim didn't do anything wrong that you can ask one on the other gazel daavadi sura kansura bonon could be that where he stole the hundred so i'm going to throw a kanasan and make him pay an extra hundred out of pocket whereas pikaldana where it was just deposited with him to lay avadi sura into anything wrong lawi kansura bonon did not make a kanasan he doesn't have to pay anything out of pocket okay so there's a clear distinction between those cases in which it's almost like the more new that and is using the opening questioning line is a springboard to the and of the more genuine and authentic question verami pikado in verses pikado in verami gazel a gazel so now we'll ask one case pikado against another case pikado which seems like they have different in him and same thing gazel a gazel colin pikado and a pikado and i double underlined we'll ask one case pikado versus another case of pikado and on the third wide line uh... about the fourth and fifth and sixth words it says verami gazel a gazel with double underline gazel a gazel so we'll see pikado pikado here and then we'll see gazel gazel so let's do pikado pikado tikatani it said on the uh... third and fourth line of our mission call it the ratio it's really the later part of the ratio um... here's a quote two lines from the mission oli let's say you have a fellow he walks over to al and bob and he says listen guys a visual echamehreim hifredesimana uh... one of your dads don't remember for life of me which one but one of your dad's deposited a hundred by me and it rightfully belongs to the one of you of any idea he's a one i don't really know which one of your father's it was comma so what was the stock in the mission continues for five more words nice and less and less and mama this fellow is actually have to give alla hundred and bob a hundred okay sounds like he pays uh... each one of them a hundred like a out-of-pocket uh... remin he and then uh... all well what about our mission in other words line uh... five and six in our mission when we said shnayim shayif kidu if you have two people who deposited an item al and bob deposited by jim one of the hundred dollars when you have two hundred dollars they both came claiming two hundred dollars we didn't say has to pay out a pocket there that's the question that's because it was because it summer rava circle drava and rova answers well you have to look into the cases now what's the distinction between the two ratio nasa the uh... ratio where it was persons father we don't know if it was al's father box but one person who deposited it with him um... and we're viewing it as though it's to people is we're gonna view it kimmy chef kida labor sine crease it says though almost like at two different deposits were made in which case to have them a dot he should have paid attention as to who it was who gave him the hundred was it al's father or was it bob's father and that's why he has to pay each one of them hundred safe however in the safest case what happened they came to him and like at the same time and you know how it is in a busy day and there's lots of things going on safe a nasa kimmy we make it as though she if kida labor croc it's almost like they put the three hundred dollars in an envelope and throw it at him that they really didn't want to give him two hundred one of them one hundred was at the same time and uh... since they were there at the same time delay have a lay lemé doc if you have al and bob and they both show up and they both throw money and one of them says it was one of them was really a hundred one of them gave two hundred they both in the two hundred well they were both at the same time clearly from the fact that they both gave him the money at the same time it was almost as though they were saying they trusted each other 'cause would you possibly pay the exact same time as someone else who didn't trust kegain daaf key to travio bahadi adadi they both deposited their money at the same time it had zimna da amra lehoo where Jim who has the total of three hundred can save them hey listen fellas you're both claiming the two hundred was yours i don't know i only got a total of three hundred antgufaju you yourselves like kaptiswad adadi we're not particularly on one another to like clarify at the time of the deposit i'm a cop in then you want me to be mugbed that's the difference the romney guzzle of guzzle we have double and guzzle of guzzle and now we bring out what seems to be a uh... steerer within uh... if something was stolen katani hawakar mission said here's a quote of our mission for uh... almost two lines amalish nayim he says to two people is the first two feelings of our mission uh... guzzle to the left at me can mana is still from uh... one of you to listen al bob remember still from one of you to uh... hundred dollars in the idea easily and i don't know which one now i think the reason the governor brings this second case also is just because once it gets the final stock so i was put uh... in brackets all of the shell of a friend if the amount of any idea is it close the brackets what's the uh... case where uh... jim walks up to alan bob and says listen al bob i i like the i know i uh... stole uh... a hundred from one you i don't know which one so what does he have to do knows as a model is a model that's what our mission is that he gives a hundred to each one of them now or a minute we bring another take source goes almost two lines in it seems indicate otherwise uh... says the snakes or discuss about the chamicia uh... a person stall uh... something from one of five people is no idea which one of the five people it is any of the isn't him guzzle and he goes over there's al and bob and carl david ad zellie mr al says i see guzzle hey you still for me is a member of says i see guzzle you still for me and each one of them is claiming so from him what's this guy supposed to do you know is only still one item well many exactly me and he basically places down whatever the stolen thing is so you know between the five of them is solid can scrams out of the scene really like removes himself from the situation do you have tarpon i backed up tarpon uh... that's the end of the same source that's a very similar seeming case yet we say he only has to pay once alma what we see from here so it's going to be spake up because there's a sulfic i hear uh... each one's going to be it's theirs we don't know lemoff king on my mind we do not have this guy uh... pay any of his own money rather marina unkey my mind about us tomorrow we apply the principle of listen like the money we that's his legally as we know as his and we're not going to make him pay anything out of pocket that is the steerer so our mission seems indicate you pay each one of them this uh... it's an excellent indicate you only have to pay one time and that's it so the come or take a step back and says one second here why is that a steerer the other mission and then you have this price with this price was offered by authored by the bhi tarpon that's a she just yet that was to say the mission is going according to tarpon we might have a sneeze in the heart of who says that our mission here on dot on the side is going according to the tarpon he and the uh... some gear says have added in don't have a key there's a big one of the tarpon a bhi tarpon a bhi maybe it's a bhi tarpon a bhi tarpon a bhi tarpon a bhi tarpon a bhi tarpon a bhi tarpon uh... a law uh... the brica that was taught now this is really it's a bottom of a common button in the vomas was taught with regard to um... this mission at the time a lot that he this is a uh... moto rebby tarpon uh... rebby tarpon would agree and again a box rebby tarpon now who's rebby tarpon agreeing to uh... mother of tarpon was in a minute but in relation to him that now the same with often who said you put one hundred in between those five people and let them fight over it or you know get out of town um... he would agree but in relation to him if he said to two people gazanti lekon michamana i stole um... a hundred from one of you but any idea a is a micham i don't know which one of you she noise and was a man who is a mama look at that sort of to agree in that case he should give a hundred each one of them um... so the more answers over there when he uh... stole from five people dick had to be lay uh... the the the request is being made of him ha ha the uh... second-to-date source the where we said rebby tarpon said you should pay each one of them is the balance is today shamayam what he's trying to do is go like above and beyond the uh... strict letter of the law and that's why he would pay each one of them decanami decatani because of precise reading will bring out this point uh... if you go up to the mission of this is a quote from the mission that we had this is like on the fourth fifth line of the mission of the right angles in shahoy dummy p_s_ might when the mission is saying that uh... he gave each one of them a hundred that's because they didn't approach him he came to them which means he really wants to take care of any responsibility he might have uh... shmami know that indeed that's the case where he would pay uh... hundred to one of them and then out of pocket a hundred to the other period or mar we had said uh... uh... a few lines ago uh... hossum decatovi lay okay so where they're coming to him and saying uh... uh... u_o_s_ um... what's his response the hala him jim the guy who uh... stole it my time what what's he saying back to each one of them when we had said that he just leaves the gazela you know in between them and and and scams out of town these scams out of the scene what's he saying back so we have two approaches review the land of a lot of encircled rav halo shaysek you know what his response is nothing it's silence whereas rav masna who underlined encircled rav says uh... oh no when al comes and says you owe me hala salva uh... he says right back to that uh... guy al comes and says you owe me the thing says i'd never seen it before i do you are and same thing when bob carl david had come okay so those are the two approaches as to what the responses is either nothing or he's denying it mondam rice we learn on the mondamar and the first word of the next slide is also mondam rice we learned on that so mondamar hala tzava that he's uh... screaming back i don't recognize you of a stika let's say he was silent well then in general we hold this principle she could get out it would be and admission mondamar however according to the other approach reschooling on this mondamar that hala shaysek uh... that the other that the guy who's uh... being accused here he's not responding the street is a little bit different she could have a lot of care about he is actually not like admitting common connector matzi amar lei 'cause he could reasonably say back or you want to know why i was uh... quite why i didn't say anything hide it stiki little hot but hard to each one of them de amina because i figured dilma high hoo i don't know but why was it quiet cuz maybe it was out why is it going bob king cuz maybe it was bob and i didn't know period amar you go back to something we had said earlier for words in right angles may not cuz a little bit in a moment stallings let's say he stole a football helmet and each one of them is claiming his football helmet so it just leaves the football helmet in between them and uh... withdrawals okay let's say these five people what they really should do i guess is maybe sell it and split it was with a hundred dollars was five and they should each get twenty dollars the way the uh... braysa the mission presented the case it sounds like he just leaves it and then maybe one of those five can go and grab the whole thing for themselves so the more asked the chaklila kulu vezli so like one of them would be able to uh... take the whole thing and and be on its way or the chaklila who all of them the chaklila kulu they all take it in divided so it's worth a hundred dollars they'll sell it and leave to get twenty bucks really the hamarabi abbar's abdamera colesavic he knew out but that you know it all what's he doing he put the item down and he's withdrawing now you have these five people that's some of the stuff that was placed there but i think that none of them should take it but you know what but the avard team not all if one of the five goes and grabs the whole thing for himself lawyer sir he doesn't have to give it back to anyone okay so the implication from the snake source was that they should split it here it seems like that uh... no uh... one thing at the whole thing for himself so amor of software for software explains that what you should say here is may nia the sale of the name is that a rather very young nia it should remain somewhere where on top of the proverbial refrigerator in other words the nia leave it because it's in the state of so fake period only about the rather a question this question takes about eight and lines to develop till first word in line is because kazan so says about the rava me amar rabi akiva did did rabi kiva really say in here's a line have quote to make source loy zu hadera muy sial semi-dea vera archie shan's a little bit hard no no no you can't say if uh... uh... someone had done something wrong that he just leaves the amounts in the middle of the some fight over it or it gets placed there on top of the fridge where but that that he's not going to be able to uh... fulfill his obligations that way to get him out of the horrible sin that he did until he pays uh... the actual thing that was stolen the value of it to each and everyone now that sounds very much alma like says the tomorrow miss faker because we're in a situation where like i don't really know but can i might know he has to pay extra money out-of-pocket the loyam renan we do not say okima mohna but that's the smart that we could leave uh... the money which over sure is his in his pocket no yes actually pay out-of-pocket it was a problem with that or a minute you know we have another today's source which says seems to get that we keep it all differently this next source goes for just under four lines and starts here in the same source you have two people in a house you have a uh... they have a mother and her son okay there's a earthquake the house collapses they both die now the sun has his own sons who would obviously inherit him when he dies and the mother has a uh... has a brother who would inherit from her she's not married anymore and uh... that's if we know that she dies what happened in this case where it wasn't clear who died first was that the mother of the sun if the mother died first her only son would certainly inherit from her first if the sun died first she would get at least part of the estate will who died first let's see not for the vice-a-love alima if you have a house that fell on uh... a person and uh... is a mother now the your she had been those who stand to inherit from the sun if the sun were to definitely die and there was no such a who came first uh... i'm rim uh... they uh... say hai mesa we should you know what happened uh... the mother died first then the sun so the mother died first the sun inherited from the mother and then we who stand to inherit from the sun uh... will inherit from him and the your she hai may mean however the those who inherit from the mother's here brother column bill bill says uh... oh no have been based on the the uh... sundide first and then the mother inherited from him or she didn't have to give anything to him and and now when she died we get the inheritance okay a little more than both the shambes hill agree she a like who that there should be a split of whatever those assets that are uh... we're not sure about is now comes along to be keep up and i box will be a key for a lot more to be a key bar mode on the bazoo i agree in this case shot in the cussin beres cos on you keep the assets and whatever the last known previous absolute status was you keep him in their cuz i can relieve things as they are that's in the same source that's really a question because the same to keep a seem to say that this fellow will pay out of pocket in the case of something in this most recent case it seems like a no we just leave things as they are that was the question that i buy a post a rava amor lee so i was sent back to buy a well uh... you can't really compare those two hossam shema the shema when the house fell down and uh... you know killed the uh... mother and her son the claims that are being made by those who stand to inherit from the mother or those who stand to hear from the sun no one knows it happened in the house is making claims of maybe that's a claim a show you can make a claim a chemo but it's only a claim a show it's on the absolute claim it's this is what i think happened those are claims of chemo versus shema however when you have a case of gazolecha me chamiche when you have one who definitely stole uh... from five that's a case of a barry versus a chem at least a claim being put in by let's say one of the five is no it's definitely mine and the uh... fellow stuller so i don't know ask them or another question this one also takes about eight nights develop i put a long question mark in the margin from here down till first one line is any ask them or no well the hamas decent aha well one second let's look at our mission here's a quote was the line i put right angles in amrallish name if you have a person will call him jim and he says to two people that's all t_l_ at me kemana i stole from one of you a hundred and uh... i don't know which one the shema the shema who that's a case of he doesn't know which one and they're not giving them any uh... uh... insight the katani and the uh... mission said very clearly that what should he do no some of those are money was a money gives a hundred to each one of them really okay so even though it's a case of chemo the shema he has to pay each one of them he did take money out of his pocket which is definitely his in pay up the memorial says will one second that's wonderful that that's what our uh... mission says who says though that's a contradiction to robbie at kiva in other words who says our mission is going to be keep it we could ask a review kiva sources question of me mind that our mission is ready to be well here's why we had to be turfin uh... was already once the katani allah day he a brice was taught in reference this uh... today's source here's some of the two-line quote mohday double and one of the words of mohday mohday with our friend would have agreed by melish nayem if a person says to two guys out of that and i stole from one of you guys a hundred and your days and i don't know which one it was a great excuse me to have a degree who exactly should have been agreeing to well whoever the previous opinion was lemme and i don't well but obviously it's what i think about what they must be to be kiva the one he argues with oomme might is shema the shema who how do we know it's a case of shema there and here's why kind of you know why we're saying that the uh... parties that maybe had the most all from them are shema because they didn't come to sue him how did the local town either case was not taught as a tavino you say that they're bringing him to court so like they they don't know though even further ice going on the the ode hot tanya rabria uh... rabria as a little brice that goes for just a line taught and it's pretty clear that uh... what is alsace there are some of you don't know if you still from the hundred there's only been what is uh... bob say and you don't know so that that's a case of uh... shema versus shema the guy who stole a hundred doesn't know if it was from aller bob allen bob say we don't know okay that is the most question well the more answers we already established hoe kimnila the ball at the city they shall maim mekra didn't this fellow would be able to just give a hundred but he wants to fulfill all of his obligations even up in heaven and he did steal a hundred has no which one he wants to make sure he's okay now it does to us we have to give each one of them i'm leaving the ravashi me i'm a rava did rava really say in the uh... this is back to the previous on what about like a line or two before it got why did rava really say cold but she created some of the made up that if there's like two different sachals or packages or envelopes that the one who was receiving the deposit should have been precise with uh... who was depositing what the ha amar rava uh... rava himself it said he came in the middle to say it was rappa hacomodim everyone agrees the shinayim shahif ki dei it's a haraya if you have two different people depositing each one uh... let's say a sheep to the writer claim they deposit the raja me nia kraya beinayen that he doesn't know which guy this guy says the sheep is is the other guy says the sheep is is you know what the shepherd does he takes the one sheet may nia kraya beinayen leaves the sheep in between the two of the most i like and uh... leaves the scene so that does not sound like rava staying uh... that the shepherds should have like uh... uh... you know and somehow realize which one was the one who actually gave it to him i'm a lisa says back a ravashita ravina uh... there that's different case the reason why we say the shepherd on this payback one of the sheep meaning with a sheep to one of them is not which one just puts in between two of them on the hot some says ravashita back to me now hustle over there because she has to keep a bed right so raja shalomita tonight what happened there one guy al apparently uh... deposited his sheep uh... into the flock when the shepherd didn't even realize it and bob did the same thing apparently they're each claiming they did not there's only one extra sheep there and now in this case obviously there's no way for the shepherd to know uh... who is who said the mission the shalomita came out of a month of a lot of stuff if you flip back to the mission that we started this share with really a two cases we had one case of two people deposit money when deposits a hundred the other deposits two hundred they come back a year later in each one claims the two hundred's there's or one deposits a clea worth one hundred uh... one of us a clea worth a thousand and they will come back later and claim thousand one is theirs which simile is basically the same case we have the same den apparently twice we had reveals the coming and piping in in came as the rama twice so the the more now points out that actually both of those cases both the case by the cash and the case by the clear necessary that's really why why not just each one and i would know the other d_e_a_ squiggle underline the word d_e_ and three lines later first one line is v_e_i_ also squiggle underline that dias mean and hakamaisa the opening case which is by the money one person positive one hundred the other person positive two hundred i would have said by he calmery rub on and that's what the tana kama says that you give a hundred to each uh... one of them and then uh... michum de leika seida there there's no loss to either one of them you see one thing mmm okay so there's no loss in redness clarify that she was the one who really gave the two hundred look at the extra hundred about that haa if it's the type of cli so you give one person back the hundred-dollar cli the other person gets now how do you turn a thousand dollar cli you kind of like i don't break it and give them a hundred dollars worth well what remains is not worth nine hundred might worth eight hundred or seven hundred but had to keep up say to where there is a loss to the god all aim i might have thought to say if it hadn't been taught our mission a mighty leader of the lc that there the time of the ribbon would agree with your bills and say no just the whole thing the hundred dollar cli the thousand of the cli put it all on top of the fridge until it can be clarified that's what you would have thought okay since they had to use case of the come of the e in marba haa if we were told in the case of the that there's a maklokas between the time of the bill c i would have thought but i'm about to be able to see says uh... you do that because you know i have to put the hundred-dollar cli thousand of the all the way 'cause he wants to encourage people to you know only claim something's really there's about behalf of what's the cash in a way to the ribbon i might have thought if there was no cli uh... case presented in the mission i might have thought that was would agree with the ribbon uh... therefore street ask the gomara who gets the mission is a shimba haa time they're going to see but one second we've heard this a number of times isn't the reason if you assume have said haramai who that they did the main thing going on here is he wants the remind to lose and therefore not come with this funny claim in the first place electraviolar about an history you know what actually both the case of the most in the case of the case of the need for the rob on now why why not just each one and that the other because the style the structure of the mission is a loizu of su katani that not only this first case but even this case i'd come