Film Sack
Film Sack 676: Spy Movies Round Table
Time for the boys to gather round the podcast fire and nail down what makes spy movies good, and what makes them GREAT!
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- 37m
- Broadcast on:
- 03 Nov 2024
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Taxes and fees extra. Speed slower above 40 gigabyte CD-Tale. And that, that, that, that, that. Well, well, well, what do we have here? Yes, that's right. A roundtable edition of the show. You know what that means. Somebody had stuff. They had to be out of town. So we don't like to leave you guys episode-less. And when we have that happen, well, we get around a table and we talk about a cool thing. That's what we're doing today. I'm Scott Johnson with Brian Ibit. We'll start with him. Hi, Brian. Hello. Hi. Hi, Randy Jordan. Hello, good morning. And hello, Brian Dunaway. Oh, hi. Excellent. Everyone's here and accounted for. Yes. We're going to get right into it. Guys, spy movies. They're cool. You know, Bond. We've watched a few here on the film, Zach, haven't we? Yeah. I don't even know if we have a, do we have a definitive list of all the spy or spy adjacent films we've seen? That would be actually a cool thing. Yeah. It would be a huge list. Yeah. Like it would, it's probably in near a hundred, like a high, high dozens. Yeah. That sounds right. It's Bond, the Born series. Saint. Mission Impossible. Mission Impossible. And we have kind of, you know, a good place to start is defining a spy movie, right? Cause does it have to be like, can your heist movies also be spy movies or can they? Oh, great. Okay. I think country versus country, right? Right. I think that Taylor, soldier spy kind of things like where it's a international espionage. There, there doesn't necessarily have to be anything international. Right. So like three days of the condor, which we sacked. What? A year ago? Good point. Yeah. I guess that's a spy movie. It's more like an inadvertent. He didn't plan on being a spy though, right? Like that was, but he definitely worked for a government agency and that's like step one. You have to have an agency. You have to have people who are working in an office to support the acts of the spy. Yeah. Right. Right. And so like it's usually a government agency. It can be a rogue agency, right? Like our archer is famous for setting up the idea of an agency that's beholden to no one except an crazy old woman. Yeah. But there's, there's usually an agency. There's usually a person or persons who are operatives. And then there's usually some kind of conflict for the operatives to figure out some mystery. You know, like something that has to be done that is outside the law, right? Right. Right. I think so. Like, and they don't, they don't always do this, but, but oftentimes, especially, I guess sequels, but like the, the mission impossible thing, well, no, right away it is. It's always about somebody up high in power is either abusing that power or, you know, working both sides. Working both sides. Yeah. There's always a mole. Like I've, that's kind of annoying that that's always in these things. James Bond went a really long time without that, without the intrigue of the higher ups being also corrupt. Yeah. Right. They did get to it eventually, but yes. Yeah. And, and so like that's not a necessity, but it's definitely something that spy movies like to get into because it's very interesting to us. The idea that you wield, you wield a lethal power. And that means the people above you are very powerful in their power corrupts. I made a comment. I made a comment. Oh, go ahead. Don't worry. Sorry. I'll say, and that probably started after James Bond because once, especially in the US, once we had the candy assassination, we really started looking at corruption and government and started thinking about that kind of stuff. And I think that kind of permeated in how we looked at how governments operate. Yeah. I mean, I don't think, so I still don't think the candidate assassination wasn't inside job, but it doesn't matter what the public person, yeah, the public were, were not given enough answers. And when that happens, the public starts to fill in the blanks. Until Nixon actually proved it and said, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm doing some shit. And I want to immediately push back on Kennedy assassination, like, okay, it definitely had an impact on film, but for instance, one of the greatest spy movies of all time is Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious, which came out in 1946, right? It's very much about what we've got to do as in espionage following World War II, right? Yeah. Right. Right. The spy as a genre really goes back to the beginning of film. No. Yeah. Not a lot of corruption and government that I was kind of looking at. Yeah, absolutely. But like corruption and government goes back to the beginning of government. Yeah. It's just, it's just how how soon did we, as I say, we, how soon did filmmakers start to push the boundaries of what if the call was coming from inside the house the whole time? Yeah. That trope. And I feel like that trope has never left. Like, we just, all the mission impossible, somebody's, somebody's screwing somebody over on the inside. Well, always a double agent, always somebody who's, yeah, which is really an, not annoying. I know. I understand why it works because, yeah, it feels like there should be some other, some other elements that could be common, I don't want to say tropes because I don't want these things to fall into tropes, but, you know, some other plot twists that, that could be fallest by besides it being, oh, yeah, by the way, you're working with a double agent. Yeah. There's a mole. Guess what, everybody? There's a mole and Ethan, Ethan Hunt didn't know about it until the end. Now he's got to go rogue nation, like those movies are amazing. They're really good. Like it's one of the greatest series of all time, but I, I do tire of the somebody on the inside screwing somebody. Spies are about deception, right? So I mean, you got to have that, I mean, the whole, the whole idea of spies is about deceiving and if you could subvert and like a magician and go, look over here, look over here. This is where the real badness is. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't need the rabbit that pulls out of the hat to be, to be working for another magician down the way. That's a good way of putting it. Right. I think, I think that you're almost guaranteed to have that sort of double cross like, and, from my mind, it goes back to the Manchurian candidate. Right. It's just like you have to have a mystery to be solved. And the most obvious mysteries are the ones that are closest to you, right? So like Frank Sinatra is trying to figure out why, why he doesn't really know much about Lawrence Harvey. There's this other thing, though, which is spy movies are all about the, the, the consequences of life and death being the only answer to political strife is, you know, like, spies, spies, they kill people, like, at some point, that's what the whole, the reason they exist is, is to kill people, James Bond has a license to kill. Right. And I'm having a really hard time thinking of spy movies that don't examine that specifically that. Well, okay. Let me ask you about the, let's talk about the Kevin, what's that Kevin Kostner movie where, where it turns out, no way out, if it fits the definition of a spy movie, and I think it does, it's got all the intrigue and the mole and everything else. Yeah. He, he is the spy. He is playing both sides. And he's the, but he doesn't hurt anybody. Right. He doesn't kill anybody as far as I know. Or does he? Does he have like a tussle bus? I know that, I know that Gene Hackman throws somebody off a balcony and they shatter head on a table or something. I haven't seen that movie in a long time. I may not remember any of this. The idea of a spy, their power is, is that they are kind of above the law or outside the law. So, you know, they will all criminality out. So killing someone, fine, you're a spy, you got to do what you got to do at the end of the day. Yeah. You can kill somebody. Matter of fact, you can't get information. I have a dead guy. That's true. Ethan. That's true. Ethan Hunt, you big dumbass. But, but no, like that manager is in a lot of ways. Everyone thinks, always thinks detective, right? When Batman's at his best, but it's also kind of a spy thriller in a lot of ways. And it's like, it's more important to methodically figure this shit out instead of just killing people. So it does, he does a lot of his detecting by being a spy. Yeah. There's an interesting subject here, and I don't want to go too far down it, but I don't think spy movies are have any overlap with superhero movies. And the reason is that superheroes have superpowers and spies don't for the most part. There are some things, right? There's a point where you're like, man, James Bond must, he must have some kind of super power because this guy never sleeps, but, but like super women rose hero. The world in which superheroes exist doesn't need spy. Yeah, but I would, I would argue Batman's not a superhero. Come on. Let's all write in. Yeah, but I'm, I'm going to make the argument that winter soldier is a spy movie. It's a 70 spy thriller. And it works better probably for him because again, it's a serum and it's not like some spooky space thing that made him powerful or whatever, but it, but it really is to its core kind of a kind of a spy movie and a cloak and dagger shield and shield is a spy agency. I'm just saying you don't have the spy movie stuff when you have superheroes because superheroes break, they break the rules of physics, you know, right? You say it doesn't have the spy stuff. I mean, let's define the spy stuff like that, you know, going in covertly and getting information posing as somebody else, sneaking into some sort of room you're not supposed to be in and getting the, getting the details or the data that you need. I like. I always feel like it's about information getting. That's what I think about. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like, if James Bond exists in the MCU, he's out of a job, you know? Yeah, no, it's a fair point. Like it does. I see the reason. The reason I like what Marvel does, the DC universe, but Marvel does this great thing where Marvel takes old, old ideas and applies them to superhero takes. And that's what Winter Soldier is. And I think that that's still valid, but I, but I also take your point. Like you want it to be grounded in some kind of reality. I get it. It's kind of like having. I mean, we can say also some of those superhero films are heist movies. So I mean, yeah, but it is pure as core. I prefer a more serious. Grounded. Like grounded. Like something that's real. I like British spies. Even though that doesn't do much spying as much as just deals with the consequences of spying. I really enjoyed that. You know what? It's on my list of shame. I've never seen British spies. I really liked it. It was really good. I bet I would. And that's, hey, is there rain in that Spielberg movie? Because I don't know how Dunnoie does with the rain. Oh, there's actually, yeah, of course, there's there's going to be rain. There's going to be rain. If there's a bridge. There's a bridge. Rain automatically. That's amazing. What is the bridge mean? Yeah. What does a wet? And what does a wet bridge mean, Brian? What does it mean? And what is of represent? Oh, my lord. Well, anyway, we're in the midst of a decade long project to sack all the James Bond movies. And it's because we're waiting for the next one to start streaming again. And I'm thinking about how we like some and we don't like others and like what really makes it. And the interesting thing about James Bond is it's gone so long that we don't really rank them based on him being a spy doing spy things. Right. It's because it's so, you almost get so used to it that it becomes white noise, the spy stuff. Yeah. He had to go like on the early in those early ones. He really had to go, quote unquote, undercover and poses somebody else to get information. And I think you also have to assume that in this world, in this James Bond cinematic universe, that basically everybody now knows who James Bond is. I hate that. Yeah. If you see a guy who kind of looks like James Bond, that's probably James Bond dressed up as another guy trying to infiltrate your, your, yeah, and even if you don't, he's even if you don't, he'll tell you at the bar, he'll go ahead and say it. He's always telling people who he is. And that's part of his whole thing is that, oh, he's at this casino in Morocco, trying to infiltrate something. And the guy's like, who are you? I'm Bond. James Bond. You'll see me. You'll see me with a mustache, fake mustache and a little bit, try not to be surprised. Yeah. Well, it's a lot smaller. That sounds like a James Bond title, by the way. The world's a lot. It does. The world was small enough. It was, you know, because you didn't have the info, because right now we have so much information exchange back then information was a lot harder to come by. So it made sense to have spies and James Bond could just go and say his name. And now you wouldn't even do that. As a matter of fact, now you would do mostly cyber espionage, right? Do you even need some boots on the ground? Do you need a James Bond diddling the ladies? Do you need some Chinese hackers to kind of do everything you need for you, right? Yes. I think there's a bit of that. I think there's also, I think that they've refined, I don't know anyone who's an actual spy, but I think they've refined what a spy does. There is still hands on, but it's a lot of like, I don't know, like if you're going to, okay, so you, let's say I need to spy on Russia. You go over there as a, yeah, you go new spy, who does it? You go over there and you go, Hey, I'm, I'm one of you. And there's still value in that. Hey, I'm Steven Segal. I'm one of you. Yeah. There's still value in that like, hands on stuff, I think probably, but I think there's probably less of it. If I had to guess also because it's just easier to get found, like in the forties, if you're a spy, nobody knows you are. I mean, I'm facial recognition is off where it is so hard. Exactly. Security's gotten so good that, you know, being a spy is not what it used to be. It's a lot tougher and you got to, there's another title. Yeah. I was just, I was just about to say, what about Maria Butina as though that just happened? And so I decided, wait a minute, when was Maria Butina and I looked it up as six years ago, six last years ago, that we had a Russian spy, you know, convicted in the United States. Yeah. And it really feels like it was, it just happened. But yes, there are absolutely spies on the ground right now, all over the world, in all those sorts of countries. But you're right that so much war is happening online now, and that's not easy to depict in a movie. Right. Yeah. Unless the sneakers. Yeah. But sneakers was also set. Well, I guess it was set in two times. It was set in the seventies and then set in the nineties, right? Right. Very different time. Things have really advanced since then. If you take a movie like, what the net wanted to be, it's not good. Corporate, cyber, cyber, espionage, yeah, I mean, that's kind of where we're at now. Corporate. Corporate. That's why even your newer movies have to kind of put themselves in an older, older time. I think I'm trying to remember if Bridge of Spies, doesn't that it takes place? It's a modern, you know, I thought it was more modern, but I thought it was like a 1970s thing. Old war. Old war. Yeah. Yeah. Kingsman. I think it's a series there. But those are all like older as well, like they take place or at least I guess the Kingsman definitely does. We got to put those on all the back one. I want to see those. I've never seen any of them. Oh, they're so good. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Are they? By the way, you don't have to be the spy to be the lead of a spy. They're just spies have to exist. Right. Right. Antonio Banderas and spy kids. Right. I got you. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Sure. But he was a successful assassin in that maybe, right? He was like a spy like a right anyway, my, my example was going to be, he loved me. My example is going to be North by Northwest where Carrie Grant is constantly being confused for a spy. Yeah. He's not a spy at all, but he's constantly being treated as though he is one. Yeah. And that's an interesting twist. Resting spy face. Yeah. Yeah. But no, that's a good. There's other movies like that too. I guess. It's another big trope. Yeah. Your big tropes are the person who's kind of recruited the unwilling participant who's kind of recruited into being a spy like enemy of the state. Like I will listen to perfect. Yeah. Right. Oh, enemy of the state's perfect. That's a great, great example of that. Yeah. Or what's the, we're one with Ron Howard, Bryce Dallas Howard, Argyll. Man, I wanted that movie. Argyll? Yeah. Yeah. Argyll. I almost thought you meant Argyll. Right. But then, then you've got like you described the, the person who's either confused for being a spy or somehow gets cut up with a spy and taken along for the ride. I guess Argyll is more than that because Bryce Dallas Howard isn't, doesn't become the spy, she just becomes tied to the person who the spy, which is a Sam Rockwell. Yeah. She gets wrapped up in it in a way that you didn't want to get wrapped. You know, they're, they're unwilling participants in the spy game, which I think is, is, can be fun and can be really well done. You mentioned, enemy of the state, I think is an amazing one. Tony Scott film was incredible. Yeah. And we did that forever ago, but I love that movie. I'm speaking of Gene Hackman. Was I speaking of Gene Hackman earlier? Was it the last movie we did? You should have been. Oh, no, it was here because we were talking about the no way out thing. Oh, right. Right. Yes. Where he's the vice president. Yeah. Yeah. Do we have room for our art? Do we have room in our heart for spy couples like true lies and like Mr. and Mr. and Mrs. Black Smith. That's it. Mr. and Mrs. Black. Mrs. Black. It's the wedding that I just had actually used for Mr. and Mrs. Black. Really? They were black? Meet Joe Black and they're mixed up for some reason. Yeah. Well, it's because Brad Pitts, Brad Pitts and both. Yeah. You did it. Yeah. I think those fit. I think that's fine. And they can be comedies too. You know? That's all right. Ice pie. Yeah. Yeah. That TV show, by the way, if you haven't seen the Mr. and Mrs. Smith show with Donald Glover and... Oh, that's really good. My er skin from Pen Island or Penis Land, no Pen Penis, I guess is just Pen 15. Penis Land. There he goes. It's spelled cleverly, but it's penis. Yeah. It's so good. It's a wonderful show. When they said they weren't doing two seasons, I got sad because they deserve more than that. But yeah. It's also more... It's more true to whatever the source book stuff was, right? That's what they say. Yeah. Obviously, I don't know what the... I didn't know the original material for Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but it feels like it is more true, probably because they have more time to do it than the... And the first one or the not first one, but the movie felt like just an excuse for those two to... Just an excuse, it was really just a date, it was really just a gender date. Yeah. Yeah, and that's where they started their whole thing, right? That's how they got there. It is, yeah. That didn't go well. My dad loved a spy movie from the '80s, and I've never seen it, and I remember him telling me that he thinks I would like it, and I just... I have never seen it for some reason. It's never come across my desk, and it's called Paschali's Island. Never heard of him. And it stars Ben Kingsley, Charles Dance, and Helen Mirren, and you would think that's got to be famous. Yeah, yeah. I think so. Yeah. I've never seen Paschali's Island. What was... Is that in the vein of like the Taylor Tinkertoid toddler spy? I really don't know. Tinkertator-tot spy. Tinkertator-tot spy. Yes, Tinkertaste. Because I love that series, and I love that movie. They are so good. They are so good. The series of the movie... And it's called... Paschali's Italian restaurant? Paschali's Island. Paschali's authentic Italian spirit. When you're here, you're a spy. I haven't heard of that, but it sounds like one of those deep British spy movies, and I like those a lot. Do you want us to hug it? I would love to hug it. I would hug it. I would hug it. Yeah. Why don't we sack it? In the description, 1908, Basil Paschali, played by Sir Ben Kingsley, a spy for the Sultan, sends reports to Istanbul that nobody reads. Wow. Wow. That's interesting. Charles Dance in it. Yeah. Charles Dance is great. I would watch Charles Dance in anything. I heard Peter Dinklage in an interview, or no, it was a hot one where he was promoting their new... That brother's movie. He asked him about his relationship with some of the Game of Thrones Actors, and he talked about his dad being played by Charles Dance. He really liked working with him, and he kept calling him Charlie Dance, and I've been able to forget about that. Charlie Dance. It's cute. I love Charlie Dance. For that. I can't wait for that to come out. The one in what next March or so? That's going to be so... Well, the brother's thing? It's out. Yeah. Well, maybe not think... Oh, the brother's thing. I'm sorry. Yeah. That's how I was talking about the Russo brothers doing the news. He's not in that one. No, no, no. He is. No, he's not. No, I don't think so. I think I know what you're talking about. That's not it. You're talking about the one with the... Right. It's got the girl from Stranger Things, Millie Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Millie Bobby Brown. That looks cool. Millie Bobby. I'm excited about that, too. But yeah, no. This was... This is that comedy, and I gave it a recommend with a caveat, which is it's good, but don't... It's got some issues, but I really enjoyed the brothers. Those guys are funny. It's a funny movie. It's like... Yeah. I don't know what to compare it to. It was like the... I don't know what it's like. I don't know. They're not cops, but they're actually criminals. Is there any spine in it? No. No spies. I don't think. Is mom's like us? Is mom Glenn Close's kind of a spy? So spies like... You know what? Great spy comedy, by the way, is spies like us. Well, that's a good question. Can spy comedies... How do you feel about spy comedies, though, with it? Do you like... Like, spies like us is a good time. Do you think they're like... Yeah. Do you like them? I mean, you don't go into them saying, "Oh, I'm going to really get some cool international espionage," or, you know, "No, I'm going to get a bunch of people getting out of their tents in the snow, taking their clothes off and dancing to soul finger." Yeah, that's true. You are going to get that. I mean, even the Kingsman stuff has a lot. It's very, very comedically influenced, for sure. Yeah. Right. So is the comic. I'm going to get some Chevy Chase looking like that, like it is, but in Discord? Oh, geez. Yeah. I want to... Yeah. I want to stand for the resistance. I don't like... I like spy comedies. I like... There are things I like. I like spy, Melissa McCarthy. I like Austin Powers. I like... There are things I like. The overall concept, I don't like. Did you say... And the problem is when you said spy comedies, what popped into my head was Mr. Bean, Johnny English, and I don't like it. Yeah, I don't like Mr. Bean. Oh. No, Mr. Bean's great. Johnny English is not good. He's not done English. Johnny English is bad. That's bad. There's some Jackie Chan comedy spy movies, right? Is it the Tuxedo something? Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. What was that called? Tuxedo something? It's called the Tuxedo, I think. Is that it? I think it's Tuxedo. Yeah, it is Tuxedo. Tuxedo. Taylor. Tuxedo. Tuxedo. Tuxedo. All about the Tuxedo, which had special powers. Yeah, yeah. He's... Was it you... Someone just told me he's got a new, like, straight martial arts movie coming out. Who was that that said that? Oh, really? Maybe during TMS or something. He keeps retiring and they keep sucking him back in. But like he's been doing all these comedies and he's kind of, you know, just sort of not really fighting anymore, but this is supposed to be him at his current age, like kicking ass again. I don't know what that means, but watch for it and catch it. All right, Randy. About the man who knew too little. Yeah. How about that? Oh, yeah. I'm not... I'm not saying that an individual movie is, like, bad to me. I'm saying the idea of it. Just the idea of spy comedies. That is not... So, Top Secret does not fall in that category. You still think that's an amazing movie? Well... Oh, yeah, I love Top Secret. I don't know about amazing. I don't know about amazing movies. Top Secret's a spoof on war movies, though. Yeah. It's a really a spoof on Top Gun only. No, no, no, no. The other one was the spoof on Top Gun. The... Partor... Hotshots. Hotshots. You're right. You're right. I'm thinking of Hotshots. There's an Al Kilmer... Yeah. I know you're a German. He's right over there. Yeah. Yeah. So... Yeah. All right, let me ask you a question. Just one more. I want you to... I want you to hear the names of the four most prominent spy movie series. Okay. And I want you to pick the one that you would watch... You would choose to watch its three best movies over the others. Those are our mission impossible. Jason Bourne. James Bond. Jack Ryan. Now, you're going to pick the best three movies of the series to watch. Of each of them? So one of them... What do you choose? Do you choose... Mr. Bourne. James Bond. I choose one. I have to choose one of the series and then choose the three best movies from that series. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I think I'm doing James Bond and I'm doing Castino Royale Quantum of Solace and No Time to Die. Yeah. The... That's interesting. You would leave No Time to Die out there. I would tell them such a better movie when you pair it with Castino Royale. Yeah. The two of those, it's like the Infinity War and Game of James Bond. Those two have to be... But I would take Skyfall over... I'd take Skyfall over that last one any day. I really disappointed me. Yeah. Skyfall feels like the natural ending of the series. To me. I would agree. That last one bummed... Bummy out for... I don't even... I can't even tell you why. Maybe this guy was so... I'm not here. Maybe it was so delayed. No time to die. So delayed that maybe that contributed to me just being disappointed. So much build up because of the pandemic and stuff and releasing and not releasing and pulling back. Yeah. It might be... I'll admit it might be some of that. That cut covers. Don't away. You want to pick something other than James Bond and Mission Impossible. Absolutely. Well, since I can't pick that, I will go with my favorite three laser just set that was Mission Impossible 1, 2, and 3. I'll go Mission Impossible 3, then 1, then 2. No. That's good. Interesting. 1, wait. 3 is my favorite too. I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Freaking with 3. Best JJ Abrams. What do we get? What do we get? Part 2. A freaking dead reckoning. I don't know. But... That was another pandemic misfire problem thing. I want you to know that if you go by rancor or like rotten tomatoes, the first three aren't in the top four. Oh. Yeah. Guess because people are weird with their brains. They have bad memories. Yeah. They think of like, oh, Fallout. The new ones, man. The only thing that's new. The new one. The new one. We have only really seen half of. Oh, that's the best one. Yeah. And by the way, Mission Impossible 2 is a stinker. I mean, it's a stinker. Yeah, it's a stinker, but I also love John Wu to the point that I will forgive a lot of stuff. Yeah. I'm okay with it. Oh, it's the lasagna. I'll get it on you. Yeah. Of all, to answer your question, geez, this is hard because I'm trying to do a different one than everyone else's pick, but I probably lean bond and maybe I like the born movies quite a bit. And I put the. I know if I could watch three in a row. I love watching them every once in a while, but three in a row. Oh, yeah, they're a little tiny. It's trusting. I think I would go. Oh, geez. This is too hard of a question. I'm going with Taylor Tonka Tinker toiler spy. Tucker. Plumber. Plumber spy. Unfortunately, it's not a series. But it is a series of TV series, but. Taylor, Tommy Tutone. That's when you're going. That's the one I met. Yeah. You can nail it. Yeah. I would love, I would love to have Scott sometime, like looking at a menu and just go, hmm, I want something that's not even here, not even a franchise, but I'm gonna go ticker, Taylor. I don't know why and none of those are, are inspiring me. Are grabbing you? Yeah, I don't know why, because I do like it as a, I like the spy genre, generally speaking, but I don't think I have a favorite series of three. Probably you know what? Probably, probably Mission Impossible and it would be close to Brian's list, although I think I'd go three, four. And then the one, what's the one where Henry Cabell cocks his arms? What's that? Oh, that was so good. I love that one. The later Mission Impossibles are better movies, but something about the younger Tom Cruise that is like so much better. I don't like one at all. I really dislike the first one. I like it. I like it. I don't like it. I like the trope of him hanging because it influenced so much stuff and is such a great meme and everything, but the overall of that movie, plus I don't know, I don't know what it is about that first one, the, the, it, DePaulma did that, right? Brian DePaulma, I think. DePaulma? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Whatever. Let me think. I will, I will go with James Bond and I'll go with the first three James Bonds. We're not even counting the Honor Majesty Secret Service here. I would watch Goldfinger for the first James Bond for your eyes only for the second James Bond and the living daylights, I think, for Tim. That's great with the adult one. Yeah. For your eyes only just stands out Roger Moore for me because it's the first Roger Moore movie I ever saw. Yeah. I just, for whatever reason, like that, that will really stick with you. Was that your first, your first Roger Moore as well, a bit because it's mine as well. Yeah, that was my first as well. Yeah. And I did the exact right time for everybody or something, right? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I like that one a lot. And then live and let die right after that one. Live and let die. Castle like the spy who loved me, or no, which was the one that had, it was controversial at the time. Now I don't think that it's no big deal, but the actress was, was transgender, but nobody knew. Oh, yeah. So why was I might have said about it? Because Roger Moore, no, as Roger Moore was upset because he made out with her and then didn't know no one told him. Oh, but he didn't find out until later. Yeah. He went to Japan or goes to, I can't remember something like that, but he, but he made out with her and then he was mad. And then I remember thinking, well, why would you get mad? I know. I was like, why would you get mad? Roger Moore freaking. It just meant he was, it just meant he was a little phobic and many was phobic and some sort. But the other thing was then my friend, I had this friend named Dan who was that it for your eyes only. Yeah. It's like for eyes, for eyes only. Yeah. For eyes only. No tater tots. Yeah. It's only tinker taylor. No tater tots. Anyway, what I thought, what I thought was funny though, not funny, but this in retrospect, it kind of laugh at it. I had this friend who every time we watched the movie, and it was quite a big as we had it on VHS, he's looking for a mustache on that lady now because he had heard the story. So he spent years of our young life going, do we got to watch a James mom movie? I swear I can see a mustache. The fact that you didn't notice right away means it was fine. Yeah. No. It's so dumb, dude. He's an idiot. Right. If you didn't know until they told you, then they did a good job. Let me tell you about that guy now. He's an idiot now too. Guess what? He is probably an idiot then too, but that's okay. Yeah. He doesn't listen to the show. It's fine. All right. Well, there's your busy watching the movie over again trying to deal with his childhood trauma. Right. Exactly. He just must find the mustache on that lady. In all those series, by the way, I just want to stand up for the Jack Ryan franchise because oh, yeah, the Patriot games, clear and present danger, some of all fears trio is so underrated. I think Patriot games, clear and present danger, some of all fears you could sit and watch and really enjoy. And I think you'd enjoy them all. I don't think there's like a stinker in the middle there. I agree. They're good. They're good. I don't like the one with Affleck. It's not my, that's my favorite of the three really the hunt for it October. No, some of all fears. Some of all fears. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's fun. I think that one's fun. Alec Baldwin. Yeah. Baldwin is the dark, but it's fun. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not going to be Smurch anyone any of that, but I just think the Harrison Ford stuff sticks with me. But again, then again, it's mostly it means we'll be Air Force one. It's like the same reason I like that. I just like his whole like, damn it, we got my stuff that thing that's all going bad. Yeah. Yeah. Get off my thing. Well, we've, we've, it's a different movie, but it's that it is that delivery. Yeah, it's that thing that I like about him. And I never get tired feeling. Yeah. Feeling that real spying is a lot more boring than the action movies we've just referred to. Hell yeah. All those are very fun action movies. Yeah. It's like being, you know, like being a private investigator. Oh, that sounds like so cool job until it's like, Oh, yeah, no, I just worked for insurance agencies. I knocked out the side of people's houses to see if they want to get their paper without crutches. Yeah. Eating bad food in the car. It's not a good life. Exactly. Yes. It's a bad life. Spine's probably boring until it's not. I'm sure it's like it's a promise of, Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. But then, you know, running down the side of a building in Dubai, it's never going to happen to you. Whoa. Just aren't going to do it. It's an amazing scene though. Well, anyway, there's our look at spy films. What are your favorites at home? Send us your feedback. Let us know. You can do all that at frogpants.com, not frogpants.com, film sack.com. And there's a link there to all the ways to contact us. We'd love to hear your picks. What are some we missed? What are some hidden gems out there? Are there comedies that deserve more attention? That sort of stuff we'd love to hear from you. In the meantime, have you, have you ever seen Pascale's Island? No. Yeah. And if you have, should we sack it? Because I think we maybe we should came across Randy's desk. Yep. Let's all pull the chair up to Randy's desk and watch this. It's a movie. Yeah. What's this? 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