Film Sack

Film Sack 675: Puppet Master

On this week's Film Sack podcast, psychics find themselves plotted against by a former colleague, who committed suicide after discovering animated, murderous puppets. Frank sucks!

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Duration:: 1h 50m
Broadcast on:: 27 Oct 2024
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[laughs] Do you see a marriage, maybe? Most definitely. In a very short period of time, you two are going to be happy, ma'am. Oh. And you are going to have a little boy. No. Yes, he was. He's a Ram Bunch, just a little boy, but he's going to be a boy for a boy. And then you're going to have a little girl. You know, ma'am, that's really great. I like that, but, um... Do you think Buddy here's ever going to get a real job? [music] Come feel it. Stop it. This is Film Sack. [laughs] Uh, Frank. Frank. [music] Oh, sure. [music] Hello, and welcome to Film Sack. This is Film Sack. I'm minding the very depths of Fitter Fitter Fitter, Entertainment for All Mankind episode 675. I'm Scott Johnson. Joined today by Brian, don't go near the fireplace, whatever you do, done away. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh! It's hot. Oh, hi. Hi. This week on Film Sack, we are the puppet master of our own nightmares when we unhinge our puppetry jaws to scream, but instead start regurgitating nasty giant leeches right onto the gross hairy chest of this first. With a long-running sci-fi horror series that was brought to life back in 1989 while running from the Nazis, for some reason. Join us if you dare as we stare with our stop-motion stabby eyes and zoom in on this murder fest, now screaming on book-hock for your pleasure. Hey! How about releasing me from my kinky sex dream so I can punch you with my comically oversized hands? Not the Muppets! Not the Muppets, anywho. I apologize if I am slightly distracted by my psychic abilities to detect the sexual history of any inanimate object by experiencing that sexual history. First hand! Also, it looks like I left my iPad somewhere. Scott, can I borrow yours for a minute to pull up my notes? Thank you. Oh, my. Oh, oh, oh! You know what? You can have that back. Yikes! Just seeing that coming. Tell you what, Ibit, can I just borrow a pencil? That should be fairly-- Ooh! Holy crap, you know what? I think I'll just sit here and quietly pass judgment. Randy, I am not a cynic. I like to think of myself as a nasty bitch. I am a sinner. I am a saint. [laughter] Nice. Delicious. Yeah, I don't know. Nice, nice nerd as Brooks Call. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good pull. All right, very well done. Also, with us today, we have Randy. He likes tiny head, huge hands, pup at the best Jordan. Aloha, Scott, Brian, Brian. Welcome to this hotel that looks like it was painted onto a cliff by the sea. I'm your host, a person who won't give you enough information to cause you to just turn around and leave, but I will make it very clear that you are in a horror movie. I may come on. Have you never seen a horror movie? You are in one. The only thing we could have done to make it more clear would have been to have this be a cabin in the woods on the 13th of October, which happens to be a Friday, the 100th anniversary of a great tragedy on these native burial groundlands. And actually, some of that may be the case here. We just don't have time to establish it. So, I'm just going to have you just go to your rooms and get naked, or maybe do some talking that won't really impact what happens, and puppets are going to attack you in the cutest little war ever. But before they do, please, here are my three rules. Number one, if you're having sex, don't let anything distract you into stopping. Seriously, you'd be the first person to ever do that. Why would you stop? Number two. Number two, don't worry about the leeches. Seriously, they're just leeches. This is like if I attacked you by throwing soup spoons. I mean, it sucks, but you're not going to die anytime soon. Gosh, you people are so weak. Number three, learn to kick things. What's wrong with you people? You don't have to go losing your fingers if you just learn to kick things. Were you never a child? Children kick things successfully all the time. Kick things. Kick 'em. Kick 'em. Kick 'em in the puppet nards. All right. Exactly. With this, finally, we have Brian. He spent his entire vacation in a single bathtub in it. I did, and it was gross, right there with illegal. I, you know, look at these little dudes. I wanted a little henchman of my own. And so I went back 35 years. This is going to make you feel old that this song was on the charts 35 years ago. Oh, boy. Enjoy this. ♪♪ ♪ Someone to punch your foes ♪ ♪ Right in their nose ♪ ♪ You're old, you're old ♪ ♪ Personal in head ♪ ♪ Someone to break their necks ♪ ♪ Just after sex ♪ ♪♪ ♪ Odaga Bay is where we all stay ♪ ♪ Our master chains ♪ ♪ By stand-out ballads ♪ ♪ Now 50 years later we'll avenge our creator ♪ ♪♪ ♪ Do these psychic guests know that we're possessed ♪ ♪ Allegic's friends ♪ ♪ On your naked chest ♪ ♪ I hope you will forgive her ♪ ♪ I know it looks like liver ♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ Personal in head ♪ ♪ Take out the psychic trash ♪ ♪ Give them a thrash ♪ ♪ You're old, you're old ♪ ♪ Personal in head ♪ ♪♪ ♪ Throw me no damage ♪ ♪ Jells ♪ ♪ 'Cause I'm made of bells ♪ ♪♪ ♪ Tunneling public rain ♪ [ Laughter ] I was hoping for the -- [ Laughter ] I had to -- I added that out because I had nothing to go there. There's so much breathing in this movie from "Puppets Without Lungs." Yeah, good point. Yeah, "Puppets of Camp Breeze" sure have a lot of breathing. So weird. They really do. Yeah. 35 years old, that song is -- Wow. That's crazy to me. I remember buying that CD, the day one, and it was so good. Still good. Yeah, still is. Yeah. All-timer, man. One of their best. No? If you're gonna -- if you're gonna put a label -- Hey, what's the best of "Pesh Mode" album ever made? Violator. It's gotta be it. For a different show, though, let's talk about this thing. This is the movie "Puppet Master." We have a fake Fletcher to try to explain the plot in a very brief way of what this movie is. Here you go. "Puppet Master." Psychics find themselves plotted against by a former colleague who committed suicide after discovering animated murderous puppets. Too much, master. Not enough puppets. Also, simmer down, Frank. Yeah, calm down, Frank. Keep it in your pants, buddy. Geez, Louisa's Frank. Yeah, featuring maybe my 2024's least favorite character of any film we've seen. They're really -- Come on, Frank. It's great. Frank is a little teeny ponytail. Oh, that used to be a thing. Balding on top. Ponytail in back. Yeah. Yeah. It's been like in the '80s. The minute I saw him at the research place, I was just like, "You -- whatever you are, you suck." And sure enough, he did suck. This is David Schmoller. Am I saying that director's name right? Schmoller. Schmoller. Schmoller. Could be Schmoller with the OE. Schmoller? Could be Schmoller. It could be Schmoller. I don't know. As they say, the Schmoller is the feller. Schmoller, like, that's like, it's basically a spell. Mueller, right? M-U-E-L-I-Camer. He's from Texas, so probably, Mueller. Sounds like a Texas town, Schmoller, Texas. Schmoller. Right, it does. Schmoller than Dallas. Watch my movie. Now, people... Now, how many of... I've never seen a single puppet master until... Me, me, me. Me? Me? Me? Me? Me? Me? First time for me as well. Yeah. Brian, we know. You showed us the box set that you probably bought seconds after showing us that link. Yeah. Not only had I never seen one, I had really specific expectations that were not at all correct. No. And I'm curious, I'm curious to know about you. Like, did you have a concept of what this movie was going to show you and was it correct? Oh, that's interesting. It... In very small parts, it was correct. I was visualizing, all right, so there's probably a dude who is the puppet master who sends out these little critters like henchmen to go kill his enemies, basically. Sure. And we get teeny, tiny bits of that. No pun intended. There's a whole lot of... Oh, well, he sure left... Oh, I'm having another dream about this thing. And oh, we sure left this in full of secrets and... Oh, God, just, you know, you are going to have horror in your horror movie, right? Yeah, it took a while, didn't it? It was a long... It's a long time, and I wasn't sure. So there's a, like, a structure to this, there's almost Stephen Kingish where you have a group of people who come from all these different walks, and they have to come together and figure this shit out. They're all extremely unlikable with possible exception of the main girl who seems nice, but then later I have questions about her anyway. Oh, okay. What about the main dude? What about Paul Lamatt? He's all right, but he looked like lawnmower man to me, and it threw me. It's funny, because I just watched American graffiti not two weeks ago. And as soon as he showed up, I'm like, "Oh, that's the guy from American graffiti." You know, the main character that didn't go on until Beyond Happy Days, Laverne, and Shirley, or Indiana Jones. Oh, I didn't know he was in... Or an amateur driver. No idea. He's the dude who has to drive Mackenzie Phillips around and not get... Not be creepy, because she's so young and rage. This is that Paul Lamatt guy? That's the guy? Yeah. Oh, even his design DB photo, I think, is from American graffiti. It is, yeah. It's been the truck in American graffiti. And I wasn't thinking of American graffiti. I was, for some reason, I felt like Paul Lamatt spent this whole movie looking like Dwight Yokem. I just couldn't stop it. I couldn't get it out of my head. You know what? If you took Dwight Yokem and then that Lapita guy who was in "Long More Man," and you smashed him together, and then you kept kind of a combo of their two haircuts of the era, you've got the guy. That's your dude. He's a weird... Wait a minute. I'm sorry. I'm just learning that there was an American graffiti movie called "More American Graffiti." Yeah. Is this sequel? I don't remember that. I never saw that. Wow. I was busy watching "Puppet Master." And he brought back just about everybody, I think, except for Harrison Ford. Yeah. Well, while you're looking at his list, I just want to save you time. Paul Lamatt has not ever been in a film sack movie before this one. Oh, really? This is his first appearance. Okay. Because he's known for... Let's see. He's known for some stuff you'd think we'd have seen. Like, what am I looking at here? Lonesome Dove. He was in a bunch of Lonesome Dove stuff. Yeah, I like those. We're never going to watch that. It was like nine hours long. What am I thinking of? There's some... Is it "Wishman"? "Wishman." You say it three times, and he moses in. I can't remember. It's another horror thing, but I would have... It just seemed like somebody we would have seen in something weird. He had a very small role. It's a lot of TV shows based on movies that we would have watched. And a very small role in American History X, which I do not want to watch. Oh, yeah, we're not watching that. Oh, you know what I'm thinking of? He's in that series, "The Hitchhiker," which I was confused with "The Hitchhiker." That's why. Yeah, yeah. That's why I'm thinking of that. He's, of course, not in that. Still with us, still working recently is... Oh, I take that back. 2009. He's alive, but he hasn't worked since '09, so he's done. He's out. He's like, "You know, I never could quite get back to American graffiti levels, so I think I'll just take it easy. That's my life." And he's not terribly portrayed in this movie. A couple of people in this movie are really just awful, but he's all right. He's cool. Yeah, there's two people that you're allowed to be okay with, and that's his character and the wife you're supposed to be. The widow. The widow. Right, right. Well, is he dead, sort of? Right, yeah. That's my third point. Good point. Yeah. But everyone else, like the "Suthsayer" lady, which she kind of, in a way, she's more of the working hero of this, like she's getting shit done. She's weird, but she's getting shit. But she's so unlikable. The whole year gonna see some... And that accent, she faked. It just... She got, I know. I was trying to figure out is she British? Is she... Where is she from that she's really trying to pull this southern accent off? Because it is so distracted. Really? This is the first... Well, you're stepping on the first of the things that I got completely wrong in my prediction of what this movie was about. So, we're talking about scary movies, right? It's October, it's October, we're second. This is our Halloween movie for this year. And my conception of most Halloween movies is either you're in a world where there is a lot of magic and different people using magic, or you're in a world where one villain, one single entity is, has all the magic and it's using it for evil, right? Yeah. Right. And I thought that was the case here. I thought there was going to be a puppet, first of all. I thought there was gonna be a puppet. Oh, really? Okay. And a puppet master, right? And I thought combined, those would make an entity that had some magic. Obviously, you have to have magic to animate a puppet and make it murderous. Right. And everyone else would be normal, regular people. That's the way a lot of scary movies go. Yeah. A lot of scary movies. Sure. People are just people and they have to use, they have to use normal everyday functions to resist the evil. Then there's these other movies, and this is one of these other movies. There's lots of villains, they're all over the place. And super team. Yeah. And right. And the people have some magic too. And that was the part that I couldn't stop thinking about. I couldn't stop thinking about, well, so what's the source of this psychic ability, or the source of this person's remote viewing ability, or you know what I'm saying? Well, they all kind of had a power, right? You had the lady who could have sex feelings, and then understand things. Yeah, she has sex feelings. And then you had who did it in that elevator who did it. Yeah. Did she ever get out of the tub? I would have just stayed at that tub for the rest of my life. And then Frank, Frank has no power. He's just there to interpret and be the subject matter. Hey, you can only, you can only wash your right leg for so long. So Frank has, Frank has some really strong psychic abilities. He can actually like read minds. He's portrayed earlier in the movie is reading instrumental equipment, but he's also able to see into people's minds. I miss that. Entirely. Yeah, it's very, I only know it because I've seen the movie a bunch of times. Yeah, Frank must have thrown the surface. Frank's really pretending there, I think, because he's just terrible. And of course, the other lady, she's an actual fortune seeker teller lady. And she can, you know, so that's just real for her, his things. Yeah. And Paula Matt's character is all about dreaming and whatever. But I signed up for a movie where William Hickey was in it more than just my freaking minutes. Oh, I'm so bummed. I was like, Oh, not yet. I know they're looking for me. Here's the thing. The movie is already short. Like if you, if you drop off the extended opening sequence, which is not meaningful, it doesn't do anything for the whole running through the sets of the series. It does. I've, yeah, go ahead. The opening sequence. Like there's like a music video at the beginning of this movie before William Hickey. Oh, before we talk about the panovers of the of the puppet stuff. You have to pad out a feature link film. It was padded on the beginning and end. And you can drop three minutes off the beginning at about eight minutes off the end. And like, if you do, man, this is short. I really get like, was it a budget thing? I wanted the movie to take a little more time to breathe. It's like one of those, it's like one of those 80s versions of like a outer limits episode length. If you did that, if you cut it down like that, and it actually feels like an episode of that except for all the nudity and boobs. So right full full moon, who did these movies and a bunch more, they were, they were intentionally low budget, but bringing, but trying to bring the scares. And this was going to originally, this was trying to be a feature film that could be released in theaters, but it ended up just going straight to videotape. And that's where I experienced that working at Blockbuster. I didn't know that it was a, yeah, yeah, I actually, I was intrigued by the cover box. And I rented it and it was, it was fantastic. And to some complaints about, you know, the expectations, you'll see those expectations met later on in other films. This one's kind of a unique in his approach of how it has like, this is the very, this is the very first full moon feature. And like it leads to a bunch of stuff. I went through every one of them to see like, have we sacked any full moon features? Right. And I, I really thought we might have sacked robot wars, but no, we haven't. Well, I haven't. I don't even know what that is. And I'm already sold robot wars. Yeah. Two words together. Yeah. So robot wars is a, a movie that came out when I was a teenager and like it caught my attention. And this was, the full moon did a lot of these, straight to video via movies during a time when Blockbuster was really on the rise. And so the full moon features set out to put things on Blockbuster shelves. And robot wars, just it had a really great like cover. Yeah. Yeah. Made them really great cover stuff. All other cover stuff. Did any of the, did any of these future puppet masters end up on theaters or is it all direct to video? I don't think they ever made it to the theater. That's wild because I think of it. I mean, having never seen it, it's just obvious I'm coming at it from that direction. But I always thought this was a, a cult hit in theaters and it has enough respect in the horror community that it doesn't. Yeah. It doesn't feel like they're talking about a direct to video series at all to me. No. Yeah. That's wild. I don't know why it stands. Okay. So as far as straight to video releases go, it's pretty good. It's pretty, it's right under theatrical release. So yeah, I would, I mean, I, we've seen a lot of stuff on this show that was theatrical that is theatrical that looked like crap. Yeah. Way, way worse than this. So wait till two, then you're like, then you really feel. You feel the whole video. Yeah. You really feel the home video and to it starts getting good at getting around three, in my opinion, but yeah, this first one's kind of unique. How many are there in total? How many, how many total of the men? There's 11 offs, right? Holy shit. 12. But I think there's like only eight this in the proper. I'm sorry. Did you say there are 12 puppet masters? Yes. Yes, there are. Oh my gosh, dude. What's, what's been offs? They like focus on some of the characters as it goes along a little further, but I think there's eight proper in, in puppet master, but then a bunch of spin-offs that are pretty much as puppet master. I'm blown away by that. Didn't even know. Does that mean there's some now? Like, that feels like they've worked it pretty far into the, I guess. 20, 20, 22. Yeah. The master doctor death was the most reasonable. The master, the puppet master weekly list is something from last year called puppet master furnace leech woman, but I can't. Oh, yeah. Okay. Leech woman, which is great. By the way, those leeches are super human leeches too. They're just totally just nasty covered in strawberry jam or something. Well, I'm just, that biggest disappointment movie for me was when I'm putting leeches on that guy, because I'm just like, yeah. Oh no, leeches. Wow. Well, they realize they're super leeches. They're not just, they're not just leeches, they're super leeches. Yeah. I'm with Randy. Okay. Two, I'm of two minds of it. I thought it was gross and eerie, but also stupid. Like they're leeches. Get up and move. Like you're fine. Even if you're tied down, it's like, oh, well, I got leeches on me. Right. Right. What, what sells that? You're gonna lose a little blood. Oh no. What, what sells that scene, though, is with him being able to pull up one eye on the blind blindfold and able to look out and horror is what really sells that scene is the acting. Believe it or not, the acting is what sells. Yeah. The Frank does, you know, is all right. What bothered me is just how long it takes for her to pick up a leech, my goodness. Yeah. That's so long and arduous. I love it. I love that Frank can't tell the difference between her gagging, barfing leech sounds and the lady who was just previously moaning on him. It's like, yeah, you're blinded. You're blindfolded and a public kisses you on the side of your stomach. Like you wouldn't know. Yeah. Little plastic lips. The size of a tiny plastic little pack. It's like, oh yeah, that's great. You're just like the real person that was just here a second ago. Give me a break. Gosh, dang it, Frank. I want to correct the kisses at all. I want to kick Frank in his nuts every time I saw him kick Frank. I knew that guy. Getting back to the series. I just want to give you this, my favorite piece of trivia, Scott, I love this. Do it. So there's like, you know, 15 of these movies. And the first three, so two and three came out in the same year, 1991. Okay. And so that's puppet master two and puppet master three is called two lawns revenge. Two lawn. Is that one of the. Oh, that's the puppet master. That's the puppet master. Does William Hickey come back for it? No, I think it's our only in in axis of evil. He comes back in probably footage from this movie. Yeah. Like, yeah. Oh, that's a shame. William Hickey. But not the actor. I love William Hickey. William Hickey is listed for axis of evil. But I guess the people, by the way, is the 10th movie. Yeah, you're right. Brian, it says, wait, it's not puppet master X. I would assume that was the 10th. Right. Yeah. So axis of evil, actually, you're right. It says he's there is under too long, but it's archive footage and is uncredited in the actual run. Okay. Okay. So there's a piece of trivia. The first there are of the of the 500 puppet master movies. Four of them have gotten the full remaster special edition blue rays. One, two, three got this treatment. Okay. And another one got this treatment. And for some reason, it's the 11th movie and the 11th movie, it's called axis rising. It's one of the ones that has a swastika on the cover. Yeah. Don't do that very much. Oh, there it is. Yeah. And axis of evil, according to the the 2010 ones got, is that the one you're talking about or is it different? No, axis of evil was the one before that, which was the 10th movie that didn't have an X in the title. Oh, that actually has a partial, by the way, that is a partial swastika on the front. Partial swastika on that one too. Because you have these Nazis that look like, you know, new wave. That's why I talked about it. I wondered about that. I wondered why you brought that up. Sorry. Sorry, don't worry. But when you said that, I was like, wait, that guy is not actually in the band is he? No, because it's because it's believable to your point. It's believable. All right. Sorry, don't I go ahead. Oh, no, you're good. You're good. The story they're telling, basically, is, you know, we all know the Nazis were after supernatural stuff, right? And so, sure, that's basically what this is is the puppets are brought to life by an alchemist who learned some Egyptian magic, essentially, to bring, to put souls into these puppets. So you're bringing dead people who lived once and putting them into the puppets. They didn't get to that in this first one. Yeah. Yeah, was he so is William Hickey supposed to be a, he's supposed to be a Nazi at the end of all this? He had he was ace. I believe he was like one of the people who were being pursued by the Nazis for supernatural control. Oh, right. Because Doug, because they had those jackbooted Nazi guys in the beginning trying to, yeah, they got them right after he killed himself. Okay. I get it. Right. That makes sense. Like, nope, out. Yeah. And he was, that was nasty, him shooting himself. Oh, but you have a very violent way to start your movie. I didn't see that coming, honestly, because up to that point, it was just a heavy breathing point of view of a puppet, which only could make me laugh. I can't take that shit. Bladed is the, yeah, everybody, everybody, I think blade is probably everybody's go to in the puppet master series. Oh, my favorite is the screw head is. Yeah, you go to screw it, screw head and pen. I don't know what the screw head guy's name is, but screw head and pen. He's tunneler. He's tunneler. Tunneler and pen head are easily my favorites, but I get the need for like a ring master leader. Yeah. Evil. A puppet master of the puppets. Yeah. The puppet master master puppet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I did like the one up in that dude's room that would just only existed to look out windows and hang out and look nervous. Oh, yeah. That's because a con or what was it? What is he supposed to be? Yeah, that's kind of a shredder con or something like that. Yeah. Kind of pointless. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, shit's happening. Oh, no. Shit. Shit's going down. Now? No, not now. Now? Now? More. Just a nervous little puppet. Yeah. I'm amazed at how, if you take any puppet from this movie, any one of them, on its own, I'm like, eh, tunneler. Okay. Whatever. But for some reason, when they're all working in league, when they got a whole, they're running a whole formation together. All right. I'll tear his mouth open and you drop a leech in there and I'm just head steady. It's kind of freaky that stuff. Like, like, when they start to realize, it reminded me of Darth Vader at the end of it, Jedi, where he starts to look at the emperor and then look at Luke while the emperors happen him, right? And he starts to have a change of heart or whatever. All these puppets are having this moment of like, well, the guy that's controlling us is a major dick that spanned out by a little ballet guy. We got to get him. We got to kill him. And just through jester. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and that's the other thing. If these puppets are so easy to chuck and then have them be still for so long, get the F up and get the F out. All you all you need to do is remain standing and you've got them beat. Yeah. As soon as you lay down or squat down to deal with the fireplace or anything, they're your only vulnerable when you're like on your, your back or you're, you know, sit laying down or sitting down or whatever. It's like, Oh, well, okay, I'll just stand up. Yeah, see puppets by by puppets. It's a it's a weird, it's a weird mix of that problem throughout where I had to keep saying, Scott, it's okay. It's a crappy old horn. Maybe stop worrying about the logistics. Just worry about like, what would it be like if a little tunneler or screw head went right through your eyeball or what would it be like if leeches were coming out of some tall, freaking horrible Barbie's mouth? Like, you know, I was trying to get into it. And I'll have to admit there are parts of the movie that nail the aesthetic of that 80s dark horror puppetry stop motion. Like it's in it's in here. And it's it's pretty good when it's at its best, but there are moments where I'm just like, all right, Frank's head talking to the sheets. I mean, come on. But that was hilarious. Have any of you ever had to kick an animal that was attacking you? No, we kind of this we visit this on the the chucky episodes. That's always the that's always the you know, the discussion is it like, it could have dawn really hurt me. Come on. They don't have there's not enough, you know, physical reach, first of all, you've got, yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, so, you know, you look at Pinhead with his big old arms. Sure, he can grab you, but it's not like he can do anything once he's grabbed you that you can't just kick him and shake off. Right. He doesn't have enough weight behind him to like judo from you or anything like that. His small head makes him prone to concussions. He's constantly getting knocked out, which I love. Oh, right. You know what, Randy, I take it back in 1980. Whenever I was 11 or 12, whenever that was 83, 82, I got bit by dog and I had to almost said I had to beat off the dog. I had to kick the dog away. And I had to do it like manically, because I was he was coming in for more, right? Yeah. He bit me once. And he was going to move in the dog attacks him, right? Yeah, kick kick kick kick kick. So, so I had a good, if a rabid squirrel was coming at you, you'd kick it. Yeah, you'd kick it. Now, in this case, it just seemed like all you had to do is throw the doll against the wall and it would lay there for 20 minutes. Like knock him out. I guess. Throw the doll against the wall. I wish I had had that phrase for my poem. Throw the doll against the wall. But it's kind of like, right, but it's kind of like the zombie chasing you or Frankenstein chasing you is not the fact that they're the fastest or whatever is the fact that they're unrelenting. And you can never escape it. Right. And a scary movie is always insist that we are at our worst when we're being chased. Like, we're the most incompetent. We'll every we can't walk a straight line. We can't run without falling to save our lives. Yeah. It plays on our most basic intrinsic fears as a species that we are being chased by something that that is bigger than us, stronger than us, whatever. And then this flips it on its head and says, yeah, what if they were tiny, but had the strength and the skills of a larger threat. And there is something a little scary about that. Like people who you hear about, like, somebody's cat went crazy because it got into some chemical or whatever. And there's like, chewed some old lady's face off while she couldn't do anything about it. Like that's a real that's a it's an unlikely improbable thing to have happened to somebody. But it's still a weird fear we have. This does a decent job at times. I want to be clear about this at times of representing that fear. But then there are other times where I was just like, that's a puppet for you can just kick it off the other thing. This is dumb. All these movies are 100% better if you watch them after 1 a.m. All right. Buy yourself 1 a.m. Alcohol need to be involved because I feel like. Yeah, just long doesn't make you fall asleep. You got to stay alert, right? What did you freak out a little bit? Did you do VHS on these or I know you'd like to do that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. For this week? No, I just watched it on the cock. Okay. All right. I saw it on prime. Yeah, it was on a couple of times. I was surprised how many actually it's everywhere. That thing. Do you see the list on like real good? It's crazy. It's like, holy shit, this is the most accessible film we've done all year. These were these were straight to video movies. So they've all been made into streaming files. Like there were the movies that were probably on streaming services. Oh, good point. They probably have a very low threshold for licensing on these. Like, yeah, yeah, they're happy to have them go wherever. You want to make a movie or a video game? Cool. Do it. Whatever. We don't care. It's free to sign here. They're working. They're working the numbers, man. It's like quantity. It's like, hey, let's just put these things everywhere. Enough people pay a dollar here or there. The franchise is working, baby. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't mind a more modern, like, higher budget take on this concept. And we can do enough with effects now that you could probably really go for it. I don't know. It needs to be the right hands though. The right people. It's kind of like, you know, anything else, this new alien. I agree that's so good. You go to the right director and he knows what he needs to do. You need to find somebody who really cares about the material and could really bring it modern. So when you talk about good hands, you mean, like, not like a pinhead with really good hands? No, no. They're really good hands, but those are really good. I, I, that was kind of creep me out. I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't know what hands they used because it's like, there's a person. You see them sometimes. It's like human hands, right? It's just human hands. But you think, oh, that's just an adult puppeteer with adult hands. And then there's other scenes where it's like, oh, those hands are a little too small to be human hands. And I'm seeing humans involved. I'm like, is there a child or somebody? What is going on? So what it says in the trivia is, I have a little thing about that says pinheads fist during the punching scenes where the fists of dwarf stunt woman Cindy Swerenson. So there we go. So she was a smaller, you know, smaller woman who had to wear the same fingerless gloves and sweater sleeve to make it appear that it's the fist of pinhead. Cindy side of the most difficult part of those scenes was to keep her head ducked the whole time while holding a pinhead puppet on her shoulders to give the false sense that the punches were happening at the same time. So yeah, that'd be a way to do it. You get a little person with smaller hands or a kid, doesn't matter, whatever. And I, you know, that pretty much, that kind of worked for me. The designs of the puppets, my favorite design is pinhead because the proportions are awesome. It's so simple too, right? He's a little, he's, you actually kind of believe it. He's like, he's small, but he's really packed. Look at him. He looks like he's got like a, you know, a dock worker kind of look to him. He looks like he's, you know, been, you know, carrying a bunch of heavy stuff. And it's actually kind of scary to think about. You don't see it often in movies, in horror movies, usually people would get killed by, you know, stabbing or impaling or, you know, chainsaw, but actually somebody beating you to death. That's actually kind of terrifying, especially if it's a puppet. That's, it's like, that's a really slow way to, for somebody to destroy you, just. Do you think these guys are ever worried about getting sued by Clive Barker for the pinhead name or, you know, I doubt it? No, pinheads, a common term for, you know, like, if you ever read the comic, Zippy the pinhead, that was a side show kind of thing for a long time. And usually you can do that in the different mediums or have the title slightly different. But when you're like, horror movies, I don't know, it seems like something you can do. I think it's actually so established because the other pinhead is pins in a head, whereas this guy is a pin head. It's hit as small, right? You see does have pins going all over the place, right? Oh, yeah, they're all they're nails. They're really nails, though, so they should be called nail head. I don't know why they ever called him pinhead, but he yeah, he looks his whole head is like a big pin cushion full of my equidistant pins. We need to get another one of those under Acre puncture going wrong. We need one of those newer ones of that shitty series. Yeah. Yeah. Also a great series. So the other thing I was going to say, oh, one of the most accomplished. So you look at this list of actors, and there's not a lot of super accomplished actors with the exception of William Hickey, but again, as he's so brief in there, the real the person that really went on is this woman named Barbara Krampton. She's the woman of the. Oh, yeah, Barbara's great. Yeah, she's in. She does so much work now. She's so busy. Oh, she's got a huge fan base. She's like, you go to like these horror conventions and stuff. She'll be there. She's amazing. Barbara Krampton. She's in. Let's see, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight projects already in 2024 with six in pre-production. Everything you can think of from like she's voice work in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre video game, but she's also in a bunch of like popular TV shows as a guest star or a regular young in the restless. She still does that show, even though all this other shit's going on like hats off to her because she's got what? Oh, two minutes in this movie. She she is legend. I think the first time I saw her was in Reanimator from 85. And so yeah, she's Barbara Krampton is just she's a legend hawk horror. That's who it is. We saw Reanimator, didn't we? Now I know who why we've seen her before. Okay. Well, she's great. And you know, nothing but love toward her. Love woman at carnival. Yeah. Towards the Krampton. Yeah, aim everything at the Krampton. Love towards the Krampton. I really did think that Jimmy Skaggs who plays Neil Gallagher. Yeah. You know, the dead guy? The dead guy. He's the mostly dead guy. Yeah. I love that he would just pop up places. That was so fun. Right. This body would just be sitting in that chair. And yeah. Yeah. So was he was just alive that whole time and just faking it? No, no, he's he killed himself on purpose too. So he'd been experimenting. He's experimenting with the ability to reanimate life essentially. And so yeah. But how would you how would you carry on your experiments when you're dead now? I guess that's part of the experiment. That's right. That was part of the experiment. I'm assuming that he's dead. He's a bomb. To the point, well, yeah, to the point where he where she puts the the hat pin through his chest to test. And then because there's no way the puppets are carrying his body around and putting in chairs and stuff like that. Oh, I love that idea though. I love it. Yeah. If there have been some if there have been some puppet movers that would be right right puppet movers. So I think like he's dead when we see him there and then he gets out of his little last supper casket thing and walks and just sits in the chair and just stays really still. They go into this further in the later parts of the series. But essentially, you know, it's alchemy is not it's not like magic is actually like an Egyptian alchemy where I guess the puppets. I don't really go into it. Yeah, you reanimate essentially the and you put whatever soul is in into this body. I guess he returned his soul to his body so he could he could appear to be dead. But you know, be the final winner of the game. Do we get um, do we get Neil Gallagher in later installments or is he he's gone gone at the end of this? No, he's gone gone. They they yeah that you can kill him. He says in the in the movies like you can only kill me if you destroy me completely or so. So that's when the puppets obviously chop him up and pull his mouth open and drop. We'll show you buddy. Yeah, the puppets get get some pretty sweet revenge. So in the future, though, every is everything reignited or started over by a person who understands the lore or is it the puppets who kick everything off from now on? It varies. Like the second one, the puppets pulled the puppet master back. I'm gonna spoil it here. But anyway, it was happens like in the first thing that'd be fun. So I'm not I'm not supposed to learn anything here. So yeah, yeah, the puppets reanimate, uh, on Andre Toulan, who is in basically like, like a mummy wrap so that you can't see. That's great. Excellent. Yeah. That's what you want. That's funny. Yeah. I'm surprised he didn't crawl into that little wall box, uh, along with there. He's small man. Hey, it's small man to get in there. Totally could have fit in there. That would have been fine. I kind of figured that's why we were going to see is that his consciousness would be put into one of the puppets. Right. Right. This his sacrifice was essentially to keep the power out of the hands of the Nazis. And that's kind of like they kind of play with this idea throughout the series of, you know, some people use the puppets further. The puppets aren't necessarily bad, but some people use them for evil and some people use them for, you know, to fight evil. Yeah. Cause like, blade was just nervous running around in those halls. He wasn't trying to kill anybody. Yeah. Yeah. That lady is screaming at him to be a snausages commercial or something. Currently that's it. That's apparently that's Ed Cook because Pint, these, none of these guys ever say anything, but they breathe and they got a voice actor. So I'm assuming all he did was breathing on a microphone. Well, what's funny about that is a couple of them. Yeah. What's funny about that is I just saw that, uh, chimp crazy show and Max. Oh, yeah. And there's a lot of that sound in it. And so when I turned it on, yeah, a lot of monkeys just going, a lot of that going on and people doing it to apes. And, uh, so when I heard this, I was like, Oh my gosh, can I not escape this freaking ape breathing sound everywhere? Yeah. It's following each one of these guys. I didn't realize each one of them had their own voice actors. Rosario does blade, Ed Cook does pinhead. There's a leech lady Linda Cook, who I guess goes. I wonder if she I wonder if she put something in her mouth while she was being recorded. Oh, yeah. Nothing. Yeah. Marshmallows, maybe. Tim Dornberg does the tundler who sounds like, uh, I guess he does a really good dental drill sound, maybe. Yeah. The problem with that head is it just was clearly just the most plasticy looking. It didn't look like metal. Like, yeah, it wasn't even like pewter. It was just like a bad head. So when it started spinning and I did like that because it made me like, are you talking about? Are you talking about? Are you talking about Jester or tundler? I'm talking about tundler. Okay. Tundler's head was supposed to be sharp metal drill. Yeah. Yeah. And it just looked like a lumpy filament from somebody through a printer. That's not even that's not even breaking the drywall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Going through somebody's flesh and bone seemed a little bit weird, but the guys who's faced, what was the other name? The one that's the head spun around. He's the one who has the different emotions. The man he faces kind of a pointless puppet puppet though. Right. Exactly. He's just he's just there to provide commentary. Yeah. He gives us. Yeah, he gives us the he's the he's the storyteller. He gives us the emotion. He reflects what's going on. Oh, no, we should be scared right now. Oh, angry. No, I'm happy. He's the voice of the he's the eyes of the audience in this movie. Sure. And it can go 360 degrees in any direction you need. Yeah. He of all the puppets, he's the least menacing as all the well, him and the nervous man with the window. He's pretty lame. Well, you got Genji who's the Indian looking puppet that's in the box. Genji. Yeah. Genji. Yeah. That's the one that you just see him in the box that gets put in the wall. And that's all you ever see is that guy. Yeah. Check in the box. Yeah. Yeah. Genji in the box. And we could change the thing to Genji in a box. If we wanted to. Yeah. I really I wrote down that the housekeeper was a check in the bucket until till she finally came back as you know, her her corpse started walking around. Don't touch the body. No, right. But they really don't give her. We don't really know what happened. I mean, she gets clocked, presumably clocked with the poker. We never really see it. It just happens. And then we never nobody finds the body. Nobody says whatever happened to that housekeeper. She's just kind of forgotten. She sounded like Lisa's Lisa Simpson's voice actress. Yes, she did. She really did. I enjoyed that actually. In fact, I looked at my first inclination was to quickly look her up. I'm like, do I know? Is this her? And it's like, no way this is her, right? Yeah. She was too small is her stage name. Muse small. Do we know from anything else? Do you like other film sack movies by chance? Let's see. I don't know if she was she was entertaining every time she was on screen, though. She was on one floor over the cuckoo's nest. Oh, she was on a lot of stuff in the. Oh, yes. Look at that. There's a news small film sack movie zapped right there. Oh, zapped. It's great. Okay, I just found something kind of crazy. The puppet master movies are not there. They're all over the place in terms of chronological order. Right. So one, you're supposed to start with 1999's retro puppet master is the name. Yeah, PG-13. No, thanks. That goes. I mean, the only worse than your puppet horror movie is when it's not rated R. Like, what are we doing? Yeah. Puppet master three, they say go to next, two lawns revenge, then go to three or third, you do puppet master axis of evil, then fourth puppet master x axis rising, then puppet master axis termination, then that was in 2017. Geez, Louise's, then you do puppet master. You don't do that till the sixth watch. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Those are all pretty goals. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because they kind of go back to the Nazi era when the Nazis pursuing this power. Right. So these guys barely have a 5.0 review to scratch, between themselves. This is just really, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have just watched the best one, according to, you know, like reviewers and critics. Yeah. Like, this is it. This is good as it gets. I would watch, I would write them like one, three, and then it kind of just, a lot of the rest of them are just like, yeah, three, three has barely three has point three more points review better than anything else. It's the one that's reviewed the highest. So maybe three at some point in our history or of our future of films. Future watch. Like I said, I like Richard Lynch. He's, he's, and you've got a real actor in there. So, you know, who's that guy? That is. Sword in the Sorcerer. What else do we watch here? Why is that familiar? Do you watch Sword in Sorcerer? He was in Halloween. Prince of all chambers. The animated thing, right? The Sword in Sorcerer. Is there a different? No, no, no. The real, the, yeah, the Sword in the Sorcerer from 82. You remember, you don't remember that? Okay, like to watch that. But who is, like, what about the same year's Conan? I don't even see him on the list here. In three? He's primary actor. Oh, in three. Yeah, that you meant the first one. No, no, no. I was gonna, yeah, three is going to want to watch another one. I would watch. Yeah, three seems like the one to see. This is the one all the, I'm looking at some other fan sites and they're all like, oh, yeah, dude, three's the best. Yeah, three's were peaked. Peak. Peak, brah. Okay, for, I now know where I know this woman who was the little housekeeper lady. She was in one floor of the Cuckoo's Nest. She was candy and she was very good in that. Yeah, she was so good. I knew she was, like, I knew she looked familiar, was driving me crazy. She's also on that man on the, man on the moon movie. She passed away. No, she's still around. She's still, as of 2022, she, she works. Good job. She works. She works. Good job. Tiny, small lady who's like, name is literally small. Name's literally small. Let's see what else I write down here. The blade puppet required five puppeteers to operate. That seems like a lot for that little guy. Wow. Yeah. Well, you got, you got a stabby eyes, you got his blade. Yeah, his little, his little erection eyes, little, big reek. How can we never got to, there's no, they never got used though, other than menacingly, right? They didn't never, yeah, no one got stabbed with his eyes. That bummed me out. No, no, they're just, yeah, get daggers for eyes or something. They remind me of the toys in the 70s that got recalled because the little rockets would come out and take out some kids eyes. All right. I read you that. This is like a doll version of blonde darts or something like that. Right. Right. It felt like a, it just, it felt like an idea that just didn't go anywhere. Like, somebody had this idea, but then no one could figure out how to use it. Yeah. These, these little dagger eyes. Okay. If he was, is he supposed to like hit you with his own face? I don't know. Well, if he was, if he was human, if he was human head size, then he could headbutt somebody and you could do some damage, but because he's a puppet, it's like, what do you give me a little snake bite on the side of my face? Yeah. I'm scary. I'm blade. I like when she was fighting him, when, uh, when, uh, what's his face was, sorry, when, uh, when he was fighting him at the very end, when he was trying to get into the elevator. Yeah. Stop it. Stop it. Just kick in the hook. No, no, no. Yeah. When he was holding their, holding someone's mouth open with the hook, was it Frank? Who was he doing that? Oh, yeah. At the very end. Yeah. Not Frank. It was, uh, it was a deal. Yeah. Yeah. That was pretty great. Because, because these are all things a puppet, I assume they have no like leverage strength. These puppets. No, no. So they don't make any sense. Don't think about them too hard listeners. These puppets are dumb. Because they're just, you know what? It's a little like, um, Chuckie. Same thing. Like Chuckie's always, you get the kind of impression that Chuckie somehow got supernatural strength, but he really doesn't. Yeah. There's no leverage. Like physics don't work. Even if they have some. You can grab your leg, but it's not like he can, you know, flip your, pull you down or anything like that. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like the fear we have of getting out of the bed. Like if you get out of the bed two o'clock in afternoon, no big deal. There's nothing under the bed. One in the morning, there's definitely something under the bed. Don't think that's going to grab you by the ankles and pull your knees in the middle of the night. Sometimes you're going to slice your Achilles tendon or something like that. Yeah. And if you're getting out of bed at two in the afternoon, that's a whole other problem. Don't be doing that. Yeah. Well, you don't have any fears if you do that. That's true. It says here, the Bodega Hotel was a miniature. It was about the size of that mat painting thing. Yeah. There's a size of a refrigerator. Two different shots, right? Two different shots of that of that bodega bay. And it's when you see the cliff in the ocean underneath it, that it's the miniature. The front view that they used a lot as well is something real, but it's that side view. Right. Don't you love that though? So for a scary movie to work, you have to always have a place where people are kind of trapped. Right. Yeah. I mean, you're in a house somewhat. Yeah. But and don't you just love it when it's a hotel? Like a whole business? But like maybe like right now, in the real world, there are hundreds of hotels out there that are just empty, vacant, underused, you know. Are there a lot? I don't even know. Like I assume so. I assume there's a lot of especially tourist towns where the shining takes place. It's like, oh, no one can stay here during the winter because it's just too rough. Nobody comes. Nobody comes to this tourist town when it's wintertime or whatever, when the leaves aren't changing or anything. I grew up on a waterway and like maybe half a mile up this waterway was a hotel. And I was in a it was in a little town and there used to be a demand for hotel rooms, but it eventually ran dry. And so this hotel along the water just never it just like sat there for decades. And like I captured my imagination all the time. I was always thinking about that place. Yeah. I don't. I love the idea of it. Like I'd love a abandoned school, abandoned church, abandoned anything large that's sort of not meant to be empty. It's supposed to be full of people. Hotels are a great example of that. Something about that is a backdrop to just about any horror movie. I'm kind of down with, right? Yeah, I don't love. I don't love when they haunt them because I don't think the rules are consistent. Like we've talked about this before, but I just as a backdrop though, it's amazing. It's why I think zombie you have to zombie movies to give me rules, right? Like this movie could have used a little bit more explanation. Like the explanation is, of course, people feel compelled to stay and figure out what's going on, right? Like that's the the entire entrapment is in their own heads. But like, it's also kind of fun when you when you overtly show me the doors being locked, you know, like something something that explains why people just walk down. Well, done away. I guess you'll know this because you've seen all these other ones or many of them. Do you do you think that the do they do they make more of the location, meaning that location is a key to all of this and that's how the puppets that's the medium for the stuff and all that? No, they revisited a couple of times. Like the second one, I think pretty much stays the same and then they start exploring, you know, they start exploring outside of that. But yeah, the house comes back a couple of times, but for the most part, yeah, it's not central to the story. Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, that's only relates to the puppet master himself. And that was his final. So they can't so if the pinhead or one of those guys went walking outside for the fresh air, they pass a certain threshold, they just flop on the ground and they can't move. It's not like that. No, no, blade blade starts off being outside. He's apparently working valet or something. Oh, that's right. He was not by the bushes. That's right. Scott wants to know what their Wi-Fi range is. Yeah, right, right, right. I do think that I do like to think in logistics terms and I and I don't know what the what is the range limit? Are they are they getting in any bars that all the way outside? Like how far close do they have to be to their hot spot? Yeah, they're free roaming around. Yeah, they're on. They're on some kind of they're on some kind of supernatural mesh network across the countryside. Yeah, yeah. Fantastic. So the design of blade was based on Klaus Kinski, according to the trivia. Yeah, who's a freaky like he's like a Gary Bucey level freaky mouth. Yeah, yes, exactly. But just posted photos of like, someone like putting as close as possible to photos of Klaus Kinski next to photos of blade. Oh, yeah, I could totally see it. That's funny. The tones and. I mean, it's a look. I mean, they've kind of gone. They've gone places. I could see it. Oh my gosh, I haven't seen that guy in a long time. Yeah. Well, yeah, there are probably some super fans out there that have versions of these dolls in their house, anything. Oh, probably. Yeah, of course they do. Isn't that right, blade? Yeah. I'm fascinated by the by the difference between people who don't ever ever collect such a thing. People who would collect things but from like more normal entertainment, you know, like, like I had at one point in my life, I had the Star Wars posters on my wall, you know, the three Star Wars posters next to each other. They were really cool. Like Adam framed. They looked really nice. Yeah. And then there's, and then there's this thing where there are people who collect these puppets like they would they have them. They're sitting in a curio like they see them when they're making dinner. You know, I think it'd be fun to go to a horror movie, a classic horror movie like convention and just see what's on, you know, at the booth. Oh my gosh, you know, yeah, it's probably crazy. It's probably amazing. I would love to do that, actually. I don't know if anything. And the thing about horror movies, too, is there's so many lower budget horror films that are pretty much just made for, you know, a group of people's cult classic essentially. Yeah. And so you got so many things. And it's fun to see those kind of things go. Oh, I don't even know what that character's from. I'd like to know more. Yeah, it's like a dragon con where you walk down the hall and it's like you recognize about one out of every three costumes, because there's some really weird deep cuts of anime or or the bowels of how harm movies or whatever that that. Yeah. Sorry, it's fun. Did you guys have any guesses as to what you thought? Gross? What gross? So much gross. Is it just sweaty Frank's chest? You're you're I'll give you a hint that it is Frank related, but it is not just sweaty chest. It is something that happened earlier. And I still am still a little shook, but it's got to be mouth was the mouth stuff. All right, that's a good that's you're in the right area. Right. That's a good you're in the you're you're getting warmer. Well, I'm pretty sure that that that that pantyhose on his head is definitely used. I would like to go ahead and give you a big for your answer. He's wearing pantyhose on his head and they kiss through it for a way too long a time. Oh, yeah. And I don't have a prop. I mean, it's just pantyhose, right? People wear it to Rob stores. It's not that big a deal, but there's something gross about that mesh and you kissing and you're getting spit in there and it's absorbing it. And you're just got this nasty ass freaking nappy thing on your face. Yuck gross. That gross me out big time. I hated it. Cleaning pantyhose is fine. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want someone to dirty pantyhose. Yeah, but don't make out either way. You're making out with the pantyhose, cut a hole in there, lift it up, do something good. That's even worse for some reason for me. We got just flesh and sticking out of a pantyhose for me. I know bulging out. Yeah. I'll be taking these huggies and any cash you got, you'd say through that a little longer. I just really, I don't know why that stuck with me so bad. Part of it was Frank just sucks and anything he did piss me off. But they played it so well because everybody knew at least one guy who was hypersexual and was balding on top but had a ponytail. I mean, I knew at least several. Like it's leisure suit Larry embodiment, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I know what it was that really bothered me. He's supposed to be some genius scientist at the same time. Yeah. And I'm like, I cannot take, you're so unprofessional. Like you were just so right. I'm only in this. I went to 10 years of school for physics and MIT and this and that. And now all I want to do is bang. It's like, get out of here. It was such a vinkman. He was such a Peter Vinkman from Ghostbusters. And I actually kind of like that they started him off with like first thing he's doing is like some kind of wild scientific experiment. He was vankman without the charm lies. There's no charm to him. Yeah. Oh, he would definitely no charm. Right? Like, yeah. Vankman, you know, there's, there's issues with Vankman and you watch the Ghostbusters now and you kind of go, Oh, Vankman. I'm not sure you could do this today. So well, but that girl's like half your age. And this is a little bit weird. Right, hitting them the student with the ESP cards and stuff. Yeah, that stuff's a little rough. But that being said, you know, if you're going to have that guy, Bill Murray's going to give you a better performance than the student. Oh, yeah. With that ponytail. I just want to tear it off. Just rip off that ponytail and shove it in the leech dolls mouth or something. The leech hole. And the leech hole. The leech hole gross. All right. Anyone else? Oh, I broke something here. I don't understand this means why were they so upset? The bad guy died. Oh, that's what it was. I couldn't understand the scene. He's finally dying and they're losing it on the other side of the glass or the door or whatever that he's dying. Right. I'm like, why? He want him dead. He's the puppet master. Right. I couldn't understand that. Sort of. I think it's kind of like that. I felt like there's that competitiveness between these actors to kind of grift. Most of them are grifters. Yeah. And there's this competitiveness, but also you don't want that to happen, right? It's like, oh, it's all fair. It's fine that Neil does that because of course he does. That's to be expected. He's just trying to play us. But then when he's actually being killed, it's like, oh, oh, hold up now. Well, I don't know. I would have been happy to see him die if I were them. Yeah. I don't know what the problem was there. Well, we were. We were on the sides of the puppets. It's like, kill him. Yeah, get him. Kill that. Get him. Dick. And you got freaking Frank sitting straight up over there like he's waiting for dinner. Frank. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good scene. Hey, I felt it did. Hey, it and any other thoughts before we clip our lives away with clips. Oh, my gosh, I'm just glad you guys finally watched puppet master with me. I was just so thrilled. Yeah, I'm also very glad that it's over. Yeah. I appreciate you. Yeah. No, I'm glad we did too. It's like perfect for what we do. But it's also, well, I am curious about this third one because as we've been talking, I'm just flipping through fan pages and stuff and man, people should rave about three. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of things that that rules like Randy was saying that rules start getting better as they go along. That's good. Yeah, this person's different. Because that's a rare, that's a, that's usually kind of rare with a series like this. The rules are usually get muddier and in right subsequent ones. I like when they start to tighten that up and go, Hey, you were wondering why in the last movie this happened? Well, in this one, we're going to let a little bit more of that out the bag. And even though I know it's all cheese, I still like, I like a little bit of structure to my, my rules. I mean, it's like the Friday the 13th series. The first one, Jason is hardly even in it. The second one, he's potato sack boy. Yeah. And by the third one, he's getting his hockey mask on. So, good point. Same kind of, yeah. Yeah. Good point. That takes a little while to develop. Yeah. If you're, if you're new to that series, it must be so weird because you have the stereotype of the hockey mask and the big broad shoulders and the, and the machete, and it's just all established, you go watch that first movie. You're like, this guy's not in this movie. What's going on? This is called freaking Kevin Bacon for some reasons here, but nobody else is there. And that's really weird. I just see Kevin Bacon's wiener. I heard, what did I hear somebody was saying they were doing a, a proper, like big time remake of the first one that's coming sometime soon. Or maybe it was that series that got scrapped. Now they restarted it. So, Crystal Lake, I may have been Monica telling us, I can't remember now. Something's happening. All right. Yeah. Something with that happening. Somebody got fired and then they're going to reset and maybe I'm thinking of the God of War show. I don't know. Everything's, everything's in weird. Everything's in weird flux right now. Sorry. Kevin Bacon. Yeah. Sorry. Kevin Bacon and no Jason. Darn Kevin's Bacon. It's going to be great. All right. Well, let's get to these. Oh, why we didn't talk about to the one thing we didn't talk about. Yeah. Was the ending, which is a little weird. The very end ending where. A little weird. Well, right. Where Leroy comes to life. Oh, the dog, yeah, I don't even, I watched it over. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And I went back and watched the last 10 minutes, eight minutes of this movie trying to understand. And I have no idea. What do we say? She now knows the, the Egyptian secret and she can write back to life basically. Yeah. She's the one that's the most sympathetic through the whole thing. And now we're supposed to go, Oh, now there. Now it's her. Oh, shit. And I'm guessing she does not come back for the sequel, right? No, Robin. Robin phrase does not come back. So her arms are a pet cemetery. Great. Yeah. Pretty much. That's a good way of putting it. Oh, I can think of was, man, that poor dog. He got taxidermied. If it had any idea when it was alive, by the way, after you die, your corpse is going to be carried around freeze dried for the entirety of an hour and a half movie as a running joke. Yeah. Enjoy your table. Enjoy it. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure that was like a just a still image of that dog. Like it was not actually ever so I know because they were carrying it around his little stuff. Oh, were they? Okay, all right. So there were two dogs and a prop dog. And then later they had the wheeled now. Yeah. It always felt like it was just holding. Didn't look very much like the prop dog, by the way, like different coloring on the face and stuff. Yeah. My mom used to have a dog, like that. And that thing peed on everything. Yes. It was just like, hey, your bladder is designed to constantly do it. Just let her rip. I hated that dog. We called her Coco and she was a pain. All right. We should have called her P P P is when we, yeah. Yeah. All right. Now we'll do clips. Hey, I'm Ryan Reynolds. Recently, I asked Mint Mobile's legal team if big wireless companies are allowed to raise prices due to inflation. They said, yes. And then when I asked if raising prices technically violates those onerous to your contracts, they said, what the **** are you talking about? You insane Hollywood ****. So to recap, we're cutting the price of Mint Unlimited from $30 a month to just $15 a month. Give it a try at mintmobile.com/switch. $45 up from payment equivalent to $15 per month. 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That's a fairly her deepest, darkest sexual fantasy. Yeah. Sand everywhere. Sand. That's what people love. It's nature's lubricant. And you're cracking everything. Oh, yeah. If the Thorne Brits was anything to believe, sure. Yeah. Yeah. If you like sand all over your junk, this is your movie. Don't... What? Something about friends. They don't look like friends to me. Oh, that's one that sounds like eardly smell. She's so good. Yeah. Yeah. Moo's small. Yeah. It's a great name for someone who sounds small. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a... What? Oh, clearing, cleaning. I think I wrote the wrong word. Cleaning our etheric body. What are you doing? I'm cleaning your etheric body. A etheric body. A etheric body. She didn't need to lean in that accent. That was dumb. Could you also clean my stove? It needs... No, but you're a etheric stove. She's got you covered. Don't worry about it. Yeah. But your regular stove? Sorry. Yeah. If you didn't buy a etheric, what are you even doing? All right. Here's... What? Hickory and Dragon's Blood. It's an interesting aroma. What is it? Hickory and Dragon's Blood. I'm sorry. Did you add that? Yeah, I did. Of course you did. Come on now. You have to ask? Okay. Okay. It was very... It was very nice and subtle. Thank you. You know who she also sounds like? Not just eardly smith, but also Teen Witch, the witch that takes on that basically teaches Teen Witch how to be a witch. And I think she was also in Poltergeist as... What is the light, Carolyn? Oh, that little lady. Yeah. Let me play it again. It's an interesting aroma. What is it? Oh, totally, dude. Wow, it works. Not the wax. That's a different character on wax, but it's... Total Vex, man. That was a little... That was a little dude. All right. What's with these rug rat? Oh, she got a rug rat ass voice I wrote. Please don't bring up any of this around Mrs. Gallagher. She's upset enough as it is. Like a little kid. That's pretty bad. Just a little bit of a crazy omen in there. Yeah. Oh, a little bit. I'm surprised that she doesn't have like video game work because that feels like it's a good, you know, NPC. Good, tiny Tina. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually true. Instead, it's all Barbara Krampton doing video games now. She wrote some of it. All right, here. Come, feel it. Stop it. What? Oh, that thing at the top. Come, feel it. Stop it. Stop it. That was awesome. Stop it. Great pickup. Yeah. Whoops, that's the wrong one. Yeah. His stop it is amazing. I freaking love it. Stop it. Stop it. I don't know why I wrote this. When Ibit found his goldfish in the toilet and his mom said, you ready for this? So you found it. You found your goldfish in a toilet. You're talking about a little live live fish, not a not a pepperaged farm cracker. Yeah, like your pet fish, your pet pet goldfish, who's now deceased though, you found it floating in the toilet. And this is what your mom said. Believe me. He's dead. Yeah. Believe me, because it's a day of your life. It's such a stretch though. I don't know what I was thinking. And then she took a hat pin out and stabbed my dad. He's dead. He's definitely dead. Yeah, I wouldn't go in that toilet if I were your details and details. Yeah, Frank wants details. Give me more details. Frank is horny. Here's Frank in a nutshell. Experiment with you wise, various sexual aids and certain sorted apparatus. The sexual aids. A little stutter there. Oh, yeah. Is that the sexual aid? Oh, yeah. Is that your sexual leech leech? You're about a leech off Adam and Eve. What's going on here? I said, I wanted you to put a leech on me. Not a leech. Here's another thing about expectation versus reality. I never even thought about naked people or sex when I was imagining what this movie was going to be like. And a big part of that is, because it was 1989. And all throughout the 80s, movies got more and more tame. Obviously, there were exceptions, right? So there were really big exceptions, but there were more like the exception because of the big taming. And so I just never dreamed before watching this movie that there was going to be so much people in hotel rooms talking about sex and getting naked and laying in a bathtub and so on. Yeah, it was surprising. It was surprising. I didn't expect it either. In fact, every time, well, we only got one boob at a time. Do you notice that? No, no one knows ever whipping them both out and running around. No, it was like, listen, every show that she never explained it with both. No, no, no. I mean, again, I need rules in my haunted puppet movies. I'm not getting them here. All right. Very creepy, Frank. Oh, I am. Oh, she'll be gentle. I love it when you do that. Man, Frank. Someone's listening to this podcast in their car with the windows rolled down and there's somebody walking by. They stopped, stopped at a stop sign and there's somebody on the sidewalk walking by just as you hit that clip. Yeah, you're not, you're not wrong. Here is a great sound from Frank. All right, that's when he what is that? I think it's when it started to hurt and he was like, oh shit. Yeah. And then Frank die yelling, yelled dying. I'm a big fan of yelled dying. You know that I always capture him. Yeah. So he's yelled dying in bed and it's great. This is a really good one. It's a pretty good screen. The trail off of the, that's replaced with a home screen, the frank screen. Yeah, I'm keeping that one. All right. What? Oh, what's happening? What's happening to Alex? What's happening, Alex? Oh, what's happening, Alex? That was so good. That was so unexpected. Alex, what's going on? Yeah, it made me laugh my head off. I thought that was great. Oh, I didn't think of that. I guess his head was off. Well, perfect timing then because here's this. It's time for the film sack checklist. Frank sucks check. The nicer guy looks like the lawnmower man already mentioned that check. And finally, are you allowed to call one of these things pinhead and not get sued check. Star Trek connections, please let there be one. We got two. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like, it's a 1989 property, right? Like this is like, the year. I'm going to spawn people for gonna. So we got two. First of all, it's Matt Rowe who played Frank who sucks and pissed off Scott. Matt, Matt Rowe found his way into deep space nine season five episode 11. It's called the darkness and the light. Now I want to see it. It's a what's it. What was the Cura was in an order of bajorans who were like. It's a bajoran bajoran, like Secret Service episode. The the better one here is Jimmy F. Skaggs who played Neil F. Skaggs, maybe. Yeah, Jimmy and you got to get the F. Skaggs in there. Yeah. He was in episode a season two episode 22 of deep space nine, which was called the wire. Okay. And I just I love that it was called the wire in like 1993 or something. Was this was it? It wasn't in space Baltimore or something like that, right? Yeah. And this is this is one where Bashir and Garrick are hanging out and Garrick suddenly falls down. Great. And they find out that Garrick has a device in his brain that was like originally designed to alleviate the pain of torture, but it's malfunctioning and it's going to kill him. Oh, yeah. Remember that? No, it's a good one. I don't remember there being any other people in this, but he plays a character named Glenn Bojica in this episode. Okay. So I don't know, maybe maybe he just shows up and sits there and smiles. It's great. I'm I'm not remembering the episode clearly, but like, you know, Garrick was a part of this Kardashian group called the Obsidian Order. Maybe maybe Jimmy F. Skaggs was a Kardashian. I don't know. But Jimmy F. Skaggs. Well, yeah, that's more than I that's more than I would have picked for Star Trek. I don't know why I thought it would be too bad. William Hickey was never in a Star Trek thing. Oh, man, you would have a great he would have been great. Yeah. Turn the ship around. You strange boy. The blessing. Yeah. Oh, great. Pretty good. I love it. All right. Just haven't burned something down with a cigar. That's all we need. All right. Let's let's move on now to the soundtrack grade. I've given an SH for synth hell. There's a lot of synth in this. Not the good kind. I didn't think it was. Oh, God. Yeah. The soundtrack on this thing was just it's just cheap, additive. And yeah, cheap, cheap, cheap. It's a great way of putting it. Just no money spent. We spared all expense. Spare it all expensive. Yeah. Social media posts where you guys sum it up in 280 characters or less. And because it's Halloween and late 2024, I'd like to switch things up and start with Randy. Poop head mustard. Okay. They gathered at a spooky hotel place. They died off mostly with pokes in their face. Some had sex. That's nice for them at least. But one by one, they found themselves deceased. This whole motif, it has no fear for me. I'll kick a puppet right into the sea. Oh, wow. That's good, actually. Passion dark at the end. Nice. Nicely done. Let's move over to Brian Dunaway, if you please. Puppet master. I want you to recreate in your mind your wildest sexual fantasy and then throw in some puppets. Frank has a kink hashtag. Stop it. Well, then see where the hell am I? Hey, Brian, a bit. How about you at the end? Puppet master. So we know the tunnel or burrowed his way into Carissa through her mouth. But where did he come out? Oh, right out of her Ivy League tight ass. I didn't even think about it. I don't want to think about it. Nicely done. Let's get to the alternate titles. This is where we find out what the movie is almost called. It was almost called the not enough William Hickey movie, but that seemed a little on the nose. So they almost also went with Barbie to leech barfer. Where do you think she kept those leeches? Like, if you're just controlling the puppet, it's not. See, this is where the rules are a problem. It's like, oh, they have magical man killing leeches inside them. She just summons them. She just apparates them. Yeah, that's lame. Because the rest of them all had something like big, strong hands or a drilly head or a knife or whatever. And this thing's like, no, magically, she burfs up. She just conjures leeches in her mouth. Wait till you get to master six. They explain that. Don't worry. Do they really? Okay, great. If she can conjure him, conjure him like three quarters of the way out of your mouth already. Yeah, you know, it's a lot quicker getting him out that last that last quarter. Yeah. Thank you. They do. Yeah. They do reward you during the series by giving you the backstories of the souls that inhabit each of the puppets. Oh, they do have souls that I think she does have her. Yeah, I think she does have her. So that's so that's confirmed that they are they have in their individual beings, not just simply puppeteering from someone else. Right. You can't just create life from nothing like some kind of Frankenstein. No, you've got to you've got to imbue it with a soul. That's what brings it to an actual soul. Yeah, somewhere, somewhere there's a supply of these leeches. And there's a supplier and he takes a leech out of the jar and he puts it into this tiny little transporter that transports it into the puppet wherever the puppet. Wherever she may be as long as she's in with my range. Right. Yeah, exactly. You got to stay within range. Yeah, a Wi-Fi thing again. Also, you know, each, each leech has its own soul as well. So you have to think about everything's got a soul. It's it is a screaming soul. Indeed. Okay, we got a voicemail. You know that round table we did about military movies, remember that whole thing? Yeah. Well, we've got to follow up on that. Let's check it out. This call is for film sack. I just listened to your episode about military movies. I think Scott mentioned something about we don't make patriotic movies anymore. My daughter feels that Top Gun and Maverick are just recruitment films for the Navy. I will also point out movies like Acts of Valor and Zero Dark Thirty. Thanks. Love the show. Yeah, we do. I guess what I'm saying is I don't mean I didn't mean and still don't mean that they're not they don't exist. It's that they are complicated now. There are people in, like, say, Zero Dark Thirty. In fact, one of them, I think, is freaking Peter Quill. I can't think of his name all of a sudden. Yeah, crap, crap. Chris, Chris Pratt. It's a very complicated thing. His willingness to kill indiscriminately is not a patriotic thing. What I'm talking about is like, in the old days, I was like, we're going to take this bridge from the nazis and all of us are wonderful human beings and they're the enemy. Now we do movies where it's a little bit more real in that we're maybe we're patriotic about it, but we're flawed. Everybody's a little bit flawed. They're not perfect. They don't always make the right decisions. The decisions they do have to make are complicated. Maverick's that way. They're all like this now. So I don't so just for my own, you know, for me to give clarity, I'm just saying that the old bra-ra patriotism, you don't see that anymore. And I think is there's really only one universally agreed upon a bad guy that has no motivation for why they're bad. There's no explanation. Like a lot of other things like, oh, they're terrorists because, you know, they were attacked by this. They're, you know, they're this type of person because of this. But Nazis is always like, no, Nazi always bad. Always bad. Yeah. We were doing it. It's easy to it's easy to cheer that way. It's like, Oh, screw them Nazis. Yeah, but even then, even then when we get World War II movies now, let's just, I mean, even in the 90s, let's take, you know, saving private Ryan, or you take anything since then, they're not just straight good guy, the bad guy that just aren't too, yeah, they're not too dimensional anymore. People are messed up. Like there's that whole scene in saving private Ryan where the dude from Lost Faraday cage guy, whatever his name is. Yeah. He's trying to, he can't deal with the fact that the Goldberg's getting stabbed slowly by Nazi and he doesn't go and help him. Well, that's complicated. That's not heroic. It's messy. Yeah. Our society just didn't even discuss post-traumatic syndrome until relatively recently, right? I mean, you just, you just, you just bucked up. You went to a war, we fought it, and then you forgot about it. Yeah. That's what that was. And for the record, I am not lamenting the, the, the, the loss of that kind of raw, raw, two dimension. I'm saying it's good that we are looking at it through a lens that's more critical and more flawed, more, you know, this isn't it. War is it literally hell and not just John Wayne flying the plane, you know? Is it Vietnam that really changed our country? No, it was, it was the Korean War. Korean War. It really, it really changed because coming out of, coming out of World War II, there were a lot of black and whites. Like, there was a, there were 20 years of people putting collaborators on trial and then executing them. It was like, here are the bad guys. They are uniformly bad. Yeah. And then we, you know, everybody went to Korea to try to stop Chinese expansion and we're like, Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. You have a bash suddenly. And, yeah. And you had Mash come out, what, a year after Vietnam finally ended? Not even that. I think it may have been the same year, 71, 72, whatever it was. But we're more comfortable talking about that war than the most recent war at that time, right? Yeah. And I think that's always, always a little true, right? You always, you always go back. It's all retrospect. Mash came out in 1970. 70? Wow. Hit airwaves in 70? I thought I was like one or two. Is that the movie or the TV series? The movie. Oh, I was talking about the, sorry, I met the series. And I remember my parents being really conflicted about this subject. And like, I, I thought about talking about that during our special episode. And it's just like, it's a huge thing. But like, when people started talking more plainly about war and how there are often the downsides to it, my parents were frustrated. Like they were just like, Alan Alda is a bad human. Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, you know, Alan Alda was making fun at a serious time like this kind of thing, like, well, more anti war or anti war. Yeah. Well, we was anti. Yeah. Yeah. I bet he forced somebody to kill a baby in a bus. It was a checker. Check it. But it's a good, but that's really a good point about a certain generation who, who, who, who were just like locked into, no, you, you support this unconditionally and you believe everything the military says. And when we started questioning that in the Korean war, and then later even more with Vietnam, it's like, I'm sorry, that genie's out of the bottle. That's what we do now. We don't just go in and go, yeah, operation success. Maybe no one buys that anywhere when the, and when you do, then you have cultural wars and now we're now we're all, now we all hate each other. So it's great. I only, I only saw Maverick once, but it's like this. It's there's like a rogue Russian base. Is that it's Russian that he goes and attacks? I think it's Russia. Yeah, because that's also the fun new thing is Russia's back, baby. Well, yeah, there's Russia actually is led by a villain, like a real black and white, you know, in real life villain right now. And so like it suddenly we have somebody that we can just call, you know, the good guys and the bad guys again. Yeah, totally. Like even that, I don't feel like Maverick made a big deal of where and who. Yeah, man, yeah, Maverick was more. I can't remember actually. Was it Russians or was that I can't remember the newer one. There's a base. There's a base and it's somewhere in Asia. I just remember the last of my raw, raw day war movie with Starship troopers, because all people know the bugs are bad. So I mean, you know, rally around that. Yeah, but even that, but even that was an allegory to make you question, war and hate, you know, military complex and all of that. So it's like, Oh, sure, you can, you can cherry pick anything Scott. Yeah. I mean, people know it's people not aware. Yeah, Neil Patrick Harris comes out of the movie and kind of a Nazi uniform. Yeah, I don't think anybody I don't if anybody thinks that movie is like pro war. I'm worried about them a little bit. And kite. The big question of our war episode was are all war movies anti war? Like that's and that's something that people have grappled with a lot. Like you can't even depict it in a way than his pro war. Like it's just not maybe not possible. Yeah. So when they when they depicted it in the 50s, 40s and 50s, where it was like, America saves everybody all the time. And John Wayne swoops in and saves the saves everybody. Like that stuff was a disservice. Like, you may have been entertained. You may have enjoyed your time at the movies, but it was painting a picture that was problematic at best. Like, I don't, it's almost like people used to go see movies to just enjoy themselves. No, they did. But they also, do you understand? I'm saying we all go to movies to enjoy ourselves, but it's not great being lied to, you know? Yeah, yeah, because that's what that is. They're lying. Just a big fat lie. War. That's what we are. Absolutely nothing. Say it again. Let's move on to this here. Email. We got an email from John and I can't read this. Oh, there it is. St. Charles, Missouri. He says, just wanted to reach out and say, thanks for such a great podcast and wanted to share with you guys my Film Sack watch list collection as I am halfway through. Thanks for all the great episodes. And I will continue to be a patron supporter. I'm now going to send you guys a photo. I meant to do this earlier and forgot to show me that. Oh, why the leeches? This is pretty amazing. So what he's got here is a bookshelf. This would be self-explanatory when I can finally capture it. Give it to you. This is a bookshelf of all the Film Sack films in order. I don't know if it's in order. Oh, I can't zoom in to talk. But look at that. That's bananas. That is. I don't even have words for this person. No kidding. Yeah. Like I'm looking up at the top here. Sure enough. No, right there. Number first. No, no, no. I'm sorry. No, I just saw. I just saw venom. I do get it. Yeah. You get a pass on a lot of stuff for doing that for us for watching venom. From what I can tell, it's not great. Yeah, then 2010. Look at that species. Isn't that cool? That is really cool. Yeah. Holy mackerel made my day to see that. Yeah. That's amazing. Ultimate Film Sack fan. He crammed in the whole James Bond collection in there too. Look at that. Yeah. So let me just say, John's Gogliemagaleo, I think he says his last name. Right. In St. Charles, Missouri. You are. You are this year's Film Sack employee of the year. All right. This could almost be our album art. Yeah. It's really good. Ray also via text says, Hey, it's Ray again on the last round table episode about Halloween movies. It was surprising. There wasn't a discussion about were werewolf by night for better or for worse, a great in between spooky action and suspense without being too much of either. Great way of describing it. I would agree with that after finally seeing it. I saw it with Brian live. Yeah, we did it for a couch party last year. Really like it earlier this year. Yeah. Really awesome. Yeah. Great pick. That's a good one. And one, I think what's what's greater by that movies, you could show that to your 10 year old up through your grandma like it's right. Right. Right. It's just not. Hey, grandma. It's the grandma. Check out man thing. The freakiest thing might be the black and white. That might be the scariest thing about it. And it works. It's like creepy enough, but not too creepy, not too scary, not too violent. It's good. It's really good. Yeah. Okay. Quick note, a little PSA before we go on from these. A lot of phone calls stacked up late recently that are kind of long or maybe a little out of date or just aren't necessarily great for the for the show prime. However, I'm going to stick them into post today. So you guys will hear them. If you listen to the podcast or watch the YouTube video, those calls will be inserted. I'll make sure you guys have access to them too. But they are all going in there. If you if you feel like you've sent a call and you're like, I never heard my call, you're about to hear it probably if you're one of those people. So watch for that coming up here shortly. Listen, quick mention of our patrons. Oh man, check this out. Brand new folks since we last spoke. Kevin Fisher, William DeBore, DeBore, I think, DeBorg, Eric Van Tort, van Hort, Brian, which is neither of you, but someone else. Dominic De Lulu, Dee Lulu, I believe is how you say it, have all joined us and they have joined us for various reasons, not the least of which are no commercials or ads of any kind, pre-show content every week, monthly special bonus toast episodes, like the one Randy just put up. A lot of good feedback on that so far. People really enjoy it. Talking about long movies, Randy, you want to tease that a little bit? Yeah, just like I just I really got swept away. This auto like Autumn's got started. And I'm just like, I want to watch something that I can really sink my teeth into. And then the next thing I know, I'm like, I want to watch the best vlog movies ever. So I just kind of like, I didn't get too much into what a movie has to do to be great and be long. I feel like that's there's a lot of discussions out there about that. But just like, what are the best ones? What did I find myself watching? And I appreciate that you kept it to 20 minutes. That was not going to make it long. Love movies was also not long. That was one of my one of my one of my goals was to have a relatively short bonus episode because I need you to go waste your time watching these. Yeah, go watch your three hour movies and not spend too much time with you. It's fantastic. Anyway, you can get access to that. Even if you're not signed up yet, that and all previous episodes of those host specials are up there. And those are going to keep rolling out. Also, you get movie related art prints for me and the mail just depends on what level you're on. So go check out all these great monthly benefits and find out which level is right for you at patreon.com/filmsact. I think that was our 30th bonus episode. Oh, wow. Like if you if you join the patreon, you're getting 30 episodes from solo hosts that you haven't heard before. Geez, the wheezus. That's a lot, isn't it? That is a lot. Yeah. I didn't realize we had that many in our about. Anyway, go do it at patreon.com/filmsact. Our next movie will be, oh, actually, we're doing a roundtable next week first and foremost about spy movies. We got somebody who's out of town, so we always try to squeeze this and make sure you guys get an episode. So that's happening next week. Can't wait for that. And then the week after that, Robinhood from 2010. Robin from the rich and given to me. Yep. Just your Russell Crowe, Ridley Scott directed thing that didn't review very well at the time. And I didn't see it because I was afraid to be disappointed. But now I think I'm ready to do this. There's only one Robinhood. It's finally time. Yeah. It's time has come. We're going to do it together here. Yeah. And this Robinhood is a bit on the long side. So done away, you have extra time to watch. I know indeed. As long as I've got time to plan, I'm good. Yeah, if you got time to plan, you got time to plan. I might even have time to listen to that episode that's posted. Yeah, it's only 20 minutes. Get hyped up about it. Get hyped up about it. Yeah. Anybody have like a all time favorite three plus hour long movie? Yes. I think Braveheart is amazing. Oh, that's a good one. I actually mentioned it in this episode three plus hours, you say? Yeah. Yeah. Do we count any kind of director's cut type things or just? Sure. Why not? Come on, Kingdom. I have it. Come on. Say it. Say it. Well, I was going to say Kingdom Heaven is my default answer. But if we're counting director's cuts, I really like the return of the King extended edition. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. That would probably be like a four hour long movie. It's really amazing how long the extended editions are. Oh, they're very they're long and they're I mean, you need to plan ahead. But when you do, it's freaking fantastic. So good. Anybody else got a favorite long one? Yeah. Favorite long one? I'd have to go back and look and see what my what the running time for some of my favorite movies are because I don't see them as long movies. I just see them as, you know, great stories and I don't think about oh, yeah, by the way, if you're going to watch this, we need to we need to set aside an evening kind of thing. Right. Right. You just love first. I was thinking about how there are some properties that aren't movies that I would I wish they were. So like, I wish someone would stitch together every episode of and or into an 11 hour long movie. I would like that because like the all of these beginnings and endings, I don't need that. I would like to just like have the whole thing play without all of these endings and beginnings. That's interesting one that I think shouldn't be three hours. Sure. Go. Tectanic. Oh, you don't think it should be three hours? You think it should be? What would you what would you take out? Oh my God, like 20 minutes of him floating on a door. There's a lot of exposition in the movie. And you realize after you've seen it that, you know, it's just like setting up characters for you to like and then kill them. Yeah. And I love the movie. Is this that if it could be like 30 minutes shorter, that'd be great. Yeah. That's two and a half hours is fine. Just a little bit. Yeah. You're right. But I can't think of what I would take out. I guess that like like Brandy says, the exposition, the beginning, the poker thing and right and Jack friendly making on the boat, you could have told that with little short flashbacks if you needed to if you felt like you had to. I have no need to watch them heavy breathe in that car. Oh, okay. Yeah. I have no need for that. Yeah. None. I can imagine the movie without the sex scene or really a lot of the sexual tension. But like, isn't it ultimately a romance movie? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The sexual drawing is great. But that's always that's always been the beef about the movie for a lot of at least a lot of James Cameron fans is that it they want just the action and the story of the ship and all that. And what they got instead was a big fat love story. I'm here to watch a story. Yeah. Right. I feel like I feel like I'm I'm in between because in some ways there is a lot of filler. But it's also pretty epic at the end. So it's fun. Good. It's good. It's the best. It's the best three hour movie that I think could be still a great movie, which is a little bit lit. He also, I mean, get a good credit that guy that movie destroys. He always does it. He always nails it. We'll we'll come back to it when we do a round table about disaster movies because that's a very interesting subject. Have we not done that? I thought we did that. No, I thought we did. Oh, how many if we didn't? Not specifically. I look forward. How many is it about like things like the towering inferno? I mean, when we saw towering inferno, I remember talking about disasters. That's probably what I'm thinking of. How many how many snaps from Avengers in game? Do you think we could remove to make it under three hours? You're not taking a single thing. All right. No snaps. All right. Hold on. Is that we all really need to trim like a minute. We'll need to trim like a minute. I don't have to show a showing showing the showing all the different people vaporizing. Come on. It's each one is so damn. But what was it? Because is that all it is? Is a minute and a half over three hours? Yes. It's three. It's three hours. One minute. Oh, wow. Give me one. Yeah. We just need like a minute. One minute out of. Yeah, you're not thinking of the snaps. All right. You could take a minute. You could take 10 seconds out of a bunch of stuff, combine, you know, and then combine it. And then right. Yeah, I'd be right. But what got to make the hard cut? It's like, no, we've been like a cut one time, one time. That's my favorite. There's there's my favorite long movie. The two of those two things individually are long movies. Somehow our puppet master episode became a round table. It's like a meta round table. Look at the value. Look at the value we bring to our listeners, you guys. This is amazing. Well, don't worry because the spy movie thing and then our Netflix watch of Robinhood 2010, that's all happening. And you guys are just going to be there and you're going to have to groove on it. All right. And this guy with the photo is going to have to add another DVD to his pile. All right. So we'll give him a break next week. But after that, brand new movie. In the meantime, film sack.com is the website you can find everything at. And that includes ways to contact us, which I'll give you now anyway, film sack@gmail.com. You can also text us or voicemail us at 801-4710-462, or just use the website. It's got a form right there. That's film sack.com. That's going to do it for us. For me, for Brian, for Brian, and for Randy. Good talk, Leroy. We'll see you next time. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Yes. Get more at frogpants.com. Film sack. Hey, so this one has been a long time coming. And I don't know how you guys messes up to this point, because we all like dark fantasy. We all like 80s dark fantasy. We especially like children's 80s dark fantasy. And this one has everything. And it has nothing. It's got the thing riding a tricycle at night with dark force meeting up with Flora Freddy Krueger and Lily Wonka and his giant snail. It's got a lucky dog that flies around that helps a little boy fight another dog. So it's really about two dogs, a fight over a boy, over nothing. It's got everything in that that is a wealth of what you guys find in a good film sack movie, and that's a movie that creates conversation. This is what you're to talk about. I don't know, if you guys want to blew a great copy of this thing, I'll send it to you. But oh yeah, it's called a never-ending story. Hey, can we throw the spotlight onto Dunaway really quick? Because I just want to say, when this dude cracks an egg, it's an omelet, but it's not just an omelet. It's an omelet with a special little gummy bear. And when you take that gummy bear, dude, you're right. And I'm sold on a Dunaway train. And he's an omelet because that yellow it once spread out throughout is his heart for everyone. Because he's always taking up for the little guy, and he always balances the conversation at any time that there's a disagreement. I just think that's how we should all be. So thanks, dude. Randy, thanks for being a Jordan to my pivot. No. Thanks for being a pivot to my Jordan. I got something cooking. All right, I'm not going to last one, but you guys are awesome. Stay cool. Hey, Scott. This one's for Film Sack. I was just watching The Old Man, which is interesting with this whole, you know, 80s Afghanistan thing. And I've mentioned this before in the forums and whatever, but you guys should check out the beast, aka the beast of war with Jason Patrick and George D'Zunde, however you say his name. Really interesting, I think Steven Baldwin. It's really interesting. Late 80s war movie about the Russians in Afghanistan. And some really interesting performances. Kind of a weird movie that no one's really heard of, and I just remember from late at night on Showtime as a kid. But anyway, you guys should check it out. The beast, aka the beast of war with Jason Patrick. Not a lot of Jason Patrick movies out there, so probably should be easy to find. All right. You, Randy, Brian, and Brian, have a good night. Film Sack again. I just also wanted to add about the beast. Mark Eisham does the soundtrack and his stuff's kind of hit or miss. I'm sure Randy would agree with that. But this one's really interesting and very different. I actually own a copy of the soundtrack, which is kind of rare these days, but it's something to behold. Anyway, thanks, yes. This is a PS, Randy from London. I just realized the face saga skittering at the end of aliens, actually, that would explain a face saga being on the siloco and therefore, roll straight into alien tree, I know a bit, you said that you weren't overly impressed with the storyline of that, and they could have gone a different way, or alien ding out indicated a face saga was loose. Hi, this is for Film Sack. Hello, Scott, Brian, Randy, and Brian. I just listened to your podcast of Scarface, Fantastic Movie. I think I was a junior in high school when I saw it the first time in the theater, incredible. I just wondered, because you guys never brought it up, was the film from 1998 called Belly, which is basically like a black Scarface. It has Nause and DMX in it, and it's just incredible, but it has a lot of that gangster stuff, the sideways, sideways guns, and they all have beepers, and it's just payphones and stuff, it's just nuts. And then, if it would love it because of the music, just lots of Jamaican rap, and it's just a great soundtrack. So, check out Belly. I mean, that's a Film Sack belly, but I mean, if you wanted to, but it's really not that much to make fun of, because it's a pretty serious movie, but it's a great movie. And, speaking of great movies, don't stop using the fake Fletcher. Keep using it. Just let that thing implode, man. It's just going nuts every time. I love it. Plus, I listen to it usually at one and a half speed, and so, fake Fletcher's description sounds even better. Love your shows Day from California. Ciao. Hey, Scott, Brian, Brian, and Randy. This is Colin, or Thirston Track, calling for Film Sack. I just got to say, I remain immensely impressed that Randy's ability to know what parts of the United States look like. I am in awe of this. I have never once been watching a movie and gone, wow, that really doesn't look like insert place here. Ever. Like, maybe I'm just gullible. Maybe I just don't know what this country looks like, but I have never once said, oh, that's not too soon, or that's not Seattle or anything like that. As if the thought has never entered my mind. I'm impressed, Randy. My hat is off to you. Anyways, love the show. Cheers. Hey, Scott, Brian, Brian, and Randy. This is Colin Milson in Seattle, or Thirston in the chat, calling in to Film Sack, talking about movies and soundtracks, movie soundtracks, all that good stuff. So, rather than talking about movie soundtracks, I think it was struck by people talking about how they've learned that about a certain band, like Snashing Pumpkins, from a soundtrack to one of the films out there. And that reminds me that I actually learned about Smashing Pumpkins not from the soundtrack to a movie, but actually from the trailer to the movie. In particular, that trailer was the Watchmen's film. And I can actually think of several artists in general or composers that I discovered thanks to the trailer and the song and the trailer for the movie. And not necessarily the movie itself. I think about the movie "Nine" that I learned about the artist, Dan Cogeet and Cambria from that has an amazing trailer with that Cogeet and Cambria home song with it. I learned, and it sounds strange, I learned about Tom Zimmer and his song Time, in particular from the trailer for the movie "Inception." You go, "Well, Colin, you know, on Zimmer's sword inception?" Yes, but that song Time actually isn't in "Inception" or maybe I'm flipping you with the album. There is a song from there that is, oh, it's called "Nine Heights." Oops, missed that one. And so it's just very interesting to me that there is not just the score of the film, but the music that goes to the particular trailer to the film, whether or not that's in the film at all, can also have such a big impact on it. 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