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We'll teach professional skills to help you pursue your goals, like business management, strategic planning, and effective communication. And you can apply these skills right away. A different future is closer than you think, with Capelli University. Learn more at Capella.edu. [Music] Good evening. Welcome to the Talking Cop. I'm your host, Matt. I am joined tonight by GAB for what's becoming a little weekly ritual here of looking back over the weekend's actions and discussing any talking points that might come up. Last time we did this, it was on the heels of Eric Tenhag being sacked and it's going to be tough to talk that in terms of having something to talk about. Yeah, I mean, let me just say, just as a warning, we're approaching winter. Anybody that lives in the northern parts of the world where you're susceptible to get the harsh winter weather, tonight's show will be something of a warning about what can be happened if you get caught in a snowstorm. I think is one way of putting it. How are you GAB? How did you like today? Today was going fine. Today was going fine. I was away from the farm for a couple of hours. I came back and I seen a video pop up and I genuinely didn't know who it was in the video. Right? Genuinely. Didn't know who it was in the video. Wasn't the last string of WhatsApp group. I think it's a WhatsApp group you're in. And I was like, "Is that Dave a Q?" And they were like, "Yeah." And I was like, "All Lord." This is like, Jesus Christ, when you're looking for stuff to talk about during an international break, I was all in for talking about, you know, air-stepping, peace coach, not standing on the solid line, literally being tall by Liverpool, look, you don't even have a ticket to the match. You're going to have to watch it down in tag East and you can get a picture with the replica European cup while you're down there. I was all in for that. And then this came a bit, and honestly, I did not was him in the video straight away. And then it turns out it is. And it's just snowballed, we can say that in a snowstorm. It snowballed into like, it is him. It's not him. He's saying it's not him. Now he is admitting to him, it might be AO. It's actually not AO. I can't remember what happened and actually, you know what, I think I can't explain. I can't remember what happened. It was like, what is going on here? But like, that's called to the chase, that's why I can't referee in the Premier League again. It's hard to see how he can keep his job as a Premier League official. But at the absolute minimum, he can be nowhere, anywhere close to a Liverpool or a Liverpool adjacent match ever again. But like, how do you, how do you decide which is a Liverpool or a Liverpool adjacent match? It's the worst attempt I've seen by a human trying to actually get past me. I'm not sure. I'm not even seeing on camera. Jesus Christ. Like, what are you leaning down for? Look, the Hunchback and Notre Dame running behind me, you know, unbelievable. Unbelievable on stat. But like, what, how do you judge it to be a Liverpool adjacent game? So let's put it into perspective, right? If you can't manage, and we go on to what he's on in a minute and what the outcome might be, but if we just go to this point straight away, he can't referee a Liverpool game. He can't be an assistant referee in a Liverpool game. He can't be a Ford official. He can't be VAR. He can't be assistant VAR, right? Then, can he referee Everton? OK. Can he referee at this stage? Arsenal? City? You know it? The Liverpool's main rivals. Overall, you know, in the bigger scope of things. Not in the forest at the moment. Chelsea? New castle. The options are running out here. You know, and unless all them teams play each other on the same weekend, so he can go off and do Brentford against whoever. Yeah, Brentford, Brighton, Palace, Wolves. But then, but then it gets down to the, then it gets down to the really neat, really odd. If he's, for argument's sake, refereeing Southampton versus Crystal Palace, OK? And Crystal Palace need, say, for argument's sake, a point to stay up, or guarantee their safety, and they're playing Liverpool the following week. If he makes a decision where Crystal Palace don't get that point, which means they go on to the Liverpool game next week, needing something, people will think, well, he's done that. So Crystal Palace have to run up against Liverpool. It's unbelievable. And let me put it out there, right? By the way, the word cunt will be used in this show because he used it, OK? So that gives us license to use it, right? Yeah, my mom is not going to want to watch this episode. No, but David Q is a cunt, right? Let's put it out there. Let's put it right there. And I'm happy to put it out there and lay it there on the table, right? And he is. I mean, we've loads of incidents when he has been there. But the fellow video on him might be a big one. He might be. Do you not think so? I mean, it's very duplicitous that, so I mean, yeah, obviously, you know, we're talking about the David Koot video to feel anybody in that somehow hasn't heard it. I saw somebody in the telegram there that just like about an hour ago was like, what the hell has happened today? Somebody fill me in. So, you know, David, like the first thing that blows my mind about this gap is that David Koot has a friend that is going to invite him to a party. And apparently do drugs with David Koot. I didn't think there was anybody in the world desperate enough for social interaction to be friends with somebody like David Koot, because he just seems like an asshole. Is that an official line, though, that drugs were involved? Because I don't want to... Look, I don't want to come out here and claim that somebody was on drugs when they went. Is the presumption being made that there was some sort of non-legal substances involved? Is that what the latest is? I mean, it sure seems that a lot of the people in the chat are either of that opinion or at least willing to make that joke. Okay. Because he doesn't seem like he's stable, let's say, but no, there was certainly official lines. Yes. I mean... That's how you opinion to have, I don't know. Anonymous, I hope we say that name, Roy, he says, "Gav, are you blind?" No, I'm not blind. I can absolutely see where those accusations come from, but they're the sort of accusations that catch you into trouble. Do you get what I'm saying? And if you take that video on face value, I would say he's under the influence. I don't know what he's under the influence of, but I would suggest he's under the influence and I would say his defense would be I was heavily under the influence of something. I don't know what it is. Let's just say he was under the influence. Okay. Well, let's get back to his name. Oh, he absolutely did him dirty and I saw somebody wondering why this video would just be released as opposed to trying to sell it to a tabloid or something like that or try to blackmail David Koot with it, you know, because it seems like the video is from a couple of years ago, I would say, you know, there's no reference to anything from like 2023 or 2024. So it's we're looking at least a couple of years ago. So somebody's he's asked the question in the video with regards to what do you think I've watched? Never put that we'll live up over shit. So that could be probably any game in 22, 23, um, there's a fair few of them. But honestly, like, like Zach says there, someone has this video for years, um, Aidan says it's from lockdown, um, 2020, he talked about COVID yet. Oh, they are in there every 20, 20, um, it would be after that though, because I think the picture that he holds, I mean, first off, let's just, let's just put this out here. Jack Santini had this just as we were coming on live. Something we can all agree on is that James Milner is a top bloke. Even David Koot is like, I hate Liverpool and I hate Jürgen Klopp, but fucking James Miller is a class act, but what the picture goes with Milner is from the 72 game against Aston Villa. And that's October of 2020. Yeah, that's October, 2020. So it's at least after that, so you're looking to 2021, 2022 kind of time. Yeah. So we're into the full COVID season. Yeah. I mean, um, and he, he puts it up saying James Milner is a lovely guy and he's just standing beside him as a artificial. It's like, it's like going to a Bon Jovi concert and taking the selfie of yourself with Bon Jovi in the background going best mates. You know, you know, it goes to a comic con and gets a picture with some famous actress and puts it up as his avatar and the internet says that's his girlfriend sort of thing. He should have just, he should have just went for the defence of him. Who was the game? And it got me thinking of funny defences. Who was the one that, um, it was a Aston Villa defender? I don't know if it was, I want to say Joly and Lescop, but I'm not too sure if he played for Villa, but it was like, Oh, look at Joly and Lescop posting this after the game and he was like, Oh, no, um, it went, me farmers in me pocket and you're like, okay, so it opened the app and it picked the photo and it sent the, the sent the tweet. Like, um, some of you guys are telling me what that was, but it's, it's just a matine and all the different reports coming out, like, you know, um, I didn't know what was going on at the time. And then there's a second video where it's like, listen, that force video we made has to go nowhere, you know, but he's no recollection of it. You know what I mean? As it was Lescop and the car, yeah, it was, um, but it's just like, like, look, the stuff he says in it. Look at the stuff he says in it, you know, um, he, he calls Clapa-Conte, he calls him arrogant. He calls him a German cunt and he bangs on about scousers. He does all this sort of stuff, um, and maybe that's the real day of a queue coming to the far where he's under the, under the influence, but the problem here is that if that was, if that was a referee who refereeed Liverpool once in an FA Cup game against a lower league so it, you know, away at Mansfield, you just go, ah, he's just looking for a bit of attention, this referee and he kind of got caught. But when you, when you can't say that we're all the stuff that's going on with David Cute with regards to Liverpool, especially when you look at, um, the weekend when he's like frantically waving his arms, um, as Mo Salah is down by Leon Bailey, um, as he's true on goal. Like, you know what I mean? You're like, what? David Cute's not given that, you know, and then you go back to obviously the verge of handling stuff at Goldis and Perk, um, I think he's V.A.R. when, man, all the guys there are playing basketball in the box at the Anfield Royal End. There's another, there's a, there's a couple, couple more as well. NA is offside, not offside goal, uh, against Everton, and Key was the var the first season that we, uh, used V.A.R. in the league. Wasn't that the same, is that not the same game as V.A.R. to get an interest, I think I might be. I think it is. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so then he was the on field ref. He was the on field ref. Was he the on field ref or was he the, the V.A.R. in the, I thought he was the on field ref for that one. This is why, this is why we have an Ashley in the chat. She'll show. Well, I have a feeling, I have a feeling he is the V.A.R. in that game. Yeah. Greg, he's not on field against, you know, in 1920, yes, when he's upended by, um, he was the centre back was a, wasn't Lindela Fuzzer, um, yeah. Yeah. Roger's handball against the F, uh, yeah, two seasons ago when we're going for a title with them. Yeah. Shane says he was V.A.R. in that game. Yeah. Because I think I'm going to be an Oliver was, um, the referee that joined that game. Oliver was referee and Key was, was, um, V.A.R. So when you, like, you call on so it is, and like, I've seen some people going, you know, like in the last couple of weeks, you've seen things like, oh, um, well, Jared Jale is a Liverpool referee or a Liverpool supporter, Jared Jale can't do Liverpool games. Yeah. You just can't. And the thing is, he's actually half decent. He's Australian. Like he's the one non British ref that they have, and we never get to have him involved in our games. Yeah. And the thing is like he, he openly is a Liverpool fan because he was. When he was in Australia, he ends up coming to the Premier League and Howard Webb has said like, they all come in and tell us who they support. And then we have to go about it. So he's kept away from them, but I'm, I'm kind of okay with that. I'm okay with that. And it's not because Jared Jale is a Liverpool fan, like, you know, Anthony Taylor could be a United fan, but he gets them all the time. But he's clearly said he's not, it's, it's, it's, it's a completely different thing when you have all that ref might be a Liverpool fan, right? To this fellow over here, fucking despoises, yeah, Liverpool or fucking despoises, you know, Arsenal, like if David Q was caught on, on, on camera or on that video today saying, you know what? Them fucking Arsenal. I fucking hate them. I vanger or nothing, our teddy, and yeah, my idea was always down given it the big woman. I hate that fucking throw in coach so much. Yeah. The prick and as for a fucking that soccer fellas are always there on claiming injury. You know, I'd still be sitting here going, what in the name of fuck is going on? Like, and when you start to coincide with maybe decisions he's made against Arsenal, you would say fucking hell. So there is actually some meaning to this, you know, and if, if you can date that video to whenever he hasn't decided, you know, that I just don't like Liverpool today, this is, this is obviously something that's gone on, you know what I mean? And it's like, I've seen a clip of Robertson coming off the pitch talking to him when Liverpool draw her home to Bournley. Yeah. I think it's, I think it might be the toilet win and season, is it? Yeah, because I think that was one of the games that kept us from hitting the 100 points. Yeah. I think they draw one off at Anfield. And I think it might be one of the very last games of that season, maybe the second last game of the season or so. And you see it from there, and then the very start of the next season, Van Dyke gets his injury at Goodison. And the timeline just goes along noisy to where, if it's recorded just after the villa game, you know, he's, he's, well, he's, he's a month, two months after the rest of the Van Dyke stuff. He's three or four months, five months off, the other side of that Robertson stuff. So he's obviously, you know, it's obviously something that's building them to that point where he feels he can say it. But I don't, like, I don't know, like, I'm not, we're not going to spend an hour talking about fucking David Kubo, like, and we all know what he said, and you can read her every way you want, but what do you think the PGMOL will do about this? And what does it say for the PGMOL's actual standing within the game and the Premier League? I think they, I think they have to. I mean, Kieran B, he said this puts Webb in some position. I reckon he's gone. Gary Ballen saying he'll be sacked. There's no coming back for me. I was actually, yeah, it's hard to say, but I was actually impressed with the PGMOL today. How quickly they were able to get a statement out about this, because I thought this was the sort of thing, especially because, you know, it's holiday Monday. I thought that they'd just kind of defer this and try to let some of the, you know, the Ferrari around it die down, not, not just meet it head on, but I mean, it wasn't too far after because I kind of woke up eight o'clock my time and the story had already been going for an hour or two sort of thing. And within an hour or two of me waking up, they'd already put a statement out saying that he was going to be suspended until an investigation is done. So quite obviously, because, I mean, when I first saw it, it was like, there's no way this is true. Like, there's no way this is an AI, because, you know, you see the thing, a cold Palmer where he's like, I did not kick it into goal with my foot and it's hilarious and it's brilliant. But you just watch it and it doesn't have because as good as the AI is, if you've seen enough of them, you can kind of, I don't know, there's that uncanny valley thing about it, where like humans have this so far having a kind of an ability to just go like, that doesn't look right. That doesn't look real. But sitting there watching it and being like, it can't be real, it just can't be real. Nobody can be that fucking stupid. And as it turns out, like, as many people have pointed out in conversations that I've been a part of today, there's readily available software that you can run videos like this through that'll tell you if it's AI generated. And they're all coming back negative and they're all coming back negative. And then to get the double barrel responses off of David Koot of like, definitely not me in that video. That is a fake video. And then it was 20 minutes later and he's like, oh, no, no, no, no, that video. Yeah. Yeah. This is like, I was, I was fucked up, I don't remember anything in that video. You see, that's the thing, you know, like, you know, look, here's David Koot telling these things too. Has someone rang him and he went, Dave, have you seen the video? And he's like, not me, but do you say, or you generate it? Okay. One, I'll talk to you later. And then they go, oh, let's go back negative on the software and the ring will go, Dave. That's coming back negative. So, yeah, look, it is me. Okay. And then he just keeps changing the story as he goes, like, he's only short, right? I'm putting like a leather glove, okay. In the boil wash, taking her out, sticking around with her hand and saying, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit, like, that's genuine, you know, he's a, you know, and it's like, hey, listen, just be fucking honest with this dad, but he hasn't done that. It's just like, and I think that's the time he drove today, the constant change of everything. Like, it was, he was only short and gone. That wasn't me. Yeah. Like, that is not even me in the picture. As someone says, in, in the chat area, he'll have a twin when in the next 24 hours. It's, it's, it's, it's like, like, his reaction from it, like John B. Red's is denying it makes it worse. And it, it kind of does. Yeah. Like the reaction off of David Coot is that of a man who is realizing the shit that he's got himself into and also doesn't have a very good, like legal and PR team surrounding him 24 times. I know. Don't say anything, Dave. He rang. If he rang any of his family members with a brain cell, they would all say, do not answer the phone. Do not go socially. Your phone. You get no Twitter today. You're staying off. Yeah. Just stay. What happened in the morning? I never came. Today's paper for some reason. It just didn't like literally ring her web and go, listen, listen, I'll be in in the morning. We can start to say, do you know what I mean? Dave, can you come in there? No. No, I've organized to go bowling. I can't be fucking there in the morning. And they're like, this is quite serious. Dave, I don't give a fuck. Right. And, and instead of that, he's just like clearly making excuses all the way down the line. He's sitting at home and he's like, let me just diffuse this real quick. Wasn't me fake video sand and he's like, well, don't have to worry about that anymore. Yeah. Look, he'd have been better off ringing Donald Trump and saying, listen, Don, is there any chat? I know you're a busy man. Right. Congratulations. Congratulations, by the way. But there's any chance you can do some sort of talk on my behalf, basically pushing this as fake news. When you tell people it's fake news, they listen, but he hasn't. He's the side of the talk. David Coon. He's a great referee. Maybe the best referee, the best referee, David Coon. It's so fucking it's, it's, it's, I think it's, I think it's put, I think it's put to get back to your actual serious question. Yeah. I think it's put to G.M.O.L. in an untenable position when it comes to him and I whether that means he loses his job or not, you know, whether what he is caught on video saying is worthy of losing your job over that you can debate. But I think there has to be at least a sanctioning until the end of the season where he's not in the Premier League for the rest of the season. If that means he goes down to the championship, that's fine. I'm sure there's a lack of, I was going to say quality referees, but that would obviously be impossible of referees up to the standard required to ref in the English football pyramid. So if he needs to go down to the league one, league two or the championship, whatever it is, that's fine. But I just don't see how they can keep him around the Premier League. Like there's, everybody knows about this. This isn't a small story. Like the timing of it, and there's a few people that have pointed that out of like just the pure gold of like, ah, another international break. What the hell are we going to talk about? It's like, boom, a David Coop bombshell drops. And so the entire, the entire football and like community, especially in England, are all going to be fixated on the story right now. There's no way the PGMLL can not come down on him and come down on him hard. Like the, like Kevin saying there, there's no, there's no way the PGML should be investigating this full stop. But I don't really agree with that because he is a member of the PGMLL and who are contracted to the Premier League. I think the Premier League should absolutely, like the PGMLL should absolutely investigate. But I think the Premier League have to be coy vocal on this as well, both internally with the PGMLL and a little bit externally, you know, into the open to say, look, we, this is what we've seen and the Premier League should be making a statement on it. I don't know if they have, but they should be making a statement because these are the people that they employ to referee their games at the top level in England. You know, and I've seen a few people in the chat saying, you know, like, what, what's the start of the PGML, what, what, what, what, Harold, where, but what's the stop, what's the stop fucking David Coop feeling hard done by here? You know, as I was drunk, I said a few things, I should have lose me job and yeah, you should lose your job. Just letting, you know, that fucking Anthony Taylor or a Michael Arvedes said this and these said that. To that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But this what I'm saying, look, and it's like a massive thing from the, it's nearly like the PGMLL went to listen to international break. Let's give something back. Let's give something back to the community. What should we do? Guilty. Get the video over here. You're up for, you know, you drew the short straw, but everyone knows anyone that watches this channel, if you're only watching a recent, you may not know, but anybody has to do this kind of, well, a shortish term, listeners, do they show no, they don't need the PGMLLs fit for purpose. I really don't. I think, I think the fact that the Premier League are outsourcing one of the biggest elements of their game to these people and for these people to perform, and I use that term very fucking loosely, to perform the way they do perform, to kick back against things that are implemented in Europe and across the world, and they're way behind, you know, the semi-auto off-soil is the latest thing. You know, when I look at them, I just think, surely, I think the Premier League, and this isn't me being, you know, I'll say this, you know, and people don't think it's fucking mad. I genuinely think if the Premier League are looking at this, or any entity are looking at an outsourced company, and looking at the performance, and the negative feedback they're bringing on their product, you would literally go, this has to end. This has to stop, because we're suffering, right? The people that are customers don't like it, we're suffering as a brand, and then we've this guy that's in this group, and has nailed the soil that, you know, I'm going to say this, this, this, and this, and I'm fucking refereeing in Anfield, I'm refereeing in Anfield, and the thing is, is hate for Liverpool, which is quite clear, right? It's hate for Liverpool, and it could be any club, by the way, but it's hate for Liverpool cannot be not known willing the group of people that he's welcoming. Yeah. You know, like, if you're going to walk tomorrow, and you walk with 20 gutters every day, and you hate whatever, right, right, Dave? Dave, if you fucking hate Dave, right, Dave accounts is a fucking prank, right? They're all going to know you don't like Dave, right? So why do they keep putting this fella on projects with Dave? When they know he doesn't fucking like Dave, you know, are they doing it? Like, I had a pigeon while doing it to just fucking royal up people, are they doing it because they've no other option, already pretending we just, just ignore that. QT will be already sending out. So, so the thing is, there has to be a bigger question here, with regards to the PJ Mowell and the Premier League, there has to be, you know, like, any company, any brand that are getting this from a contractor, essentially, you know. Stepgav, if, and I think this might be the case, to use the contractor metaphor, you already have hired the best in class contractor. And as it turns out, that all the contractors are kind of shit, like, and you might be able to pick up, like, where was that guy from, Norway, that did, I think, our first Champions League game, or might have been our second Champions League game. He was excellent. He's an excellent referee. And they were saying on the comms of, like, because he's from Norway, and not a big, you know, FA. I wouldn't say it was our second Champions League games, without the referee against Bologna was awful. That might have been, it might have been the first. He's definitely one more Champions League game. Bologna way. Because they said, like, because he's Norwegian, and there's never going to be a Norwegian team in any of the major finals, this is a young referee, had a really good game. Like, he's going to have a career that could see him refereeing some really big matches. You know, World Cup semi-finals and stuff like that, because you don't have to worry about that conflict of interest. So, like, maybe you can pick up one ref there from Norway, and maybe Jared Gillette is of a good enough standard, you take him from Australia. Like, I don't know if there's enough. And I don't think that's fair to the other FA's for the big juggernaut that is the Premier League to come in. It's like when your country doesn't have enough nurses, and you just go to a third world or a second world country and just go, well, we're going to take all your best nurses because we can pay them more. Like, it's not really fair to them. Like, that's really kind of fucking over those other smaller FA's. But... But you see, I think the biggest thing here is, and I've always thought it's the biggest thing here, is the fact that the PGM and well are not... And the referee is in the Premier League are not directly employable to Premier League. Yeah. That's the biggest issue. Yeah, because there's got enough direct accountability to their... Correct. And that's the grey area that he's sitting. And I always talk about the grey area that he's sitting because that's what he do. So, like, even if you want the PGM and well to be relieved that they're due is at the end of the 24-24 season, because you're going to go out and you're going to say, listen, we've looked at all the metrics. We need 50 people across the Premier League, whatever it is, ten games a week, ten games a weekend. You need 10 refs, you need 20 assistants, you need 10, you know, floor officials, assistants, then you need so many VARs. So, all together, it's probably around 70 people. Well, they'll be right in saying that. Well, you need at least 10 at a time and yeah, there's seven in that. Imagine, no, the fourth official is the emergency ref if there's an injury or something like that on the pitch. So, yeah, you'd need 70, minimum. About 70, right? Even if you wanted them out at the end of the season and the Premier League were to go and go and say, right, we've looked at all the metrics, these are the 70 people we believe we want. We're going to win and pay them. We're going to bring them in. And you're bringing them in and even if that can't be done, I think the Premier League should be saying, right? From now on, listen, whoever, name our referee, Michael Oliver, if you want to walk for the Premier League, you in the Premier League, you're going to walk for the Premier League. And we're going to put a stop to you going off to the UAE or wherever you're going and you're bringing all sorts of attention on us here because there's decisions for Manchester City, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or the Premier League bringing a system where they say themselves, yes, we're going to take the top people from around the world, right? And we're going to say to them, we're five years, we want, there's a five-year contract to work for us. And after that five years, or within that five years, we are going to bring 70 people true from the UK to then take over your job. And when they go in, we're going to start that process again, we're going to bring younger people into the game, younger, fitter, and just in literally they have no fucking, not allegiance, but no kind of history for what's going on. But there's a way to do this. People think the PJ M were, you can't do it and whatever will you do, there's always a way around these things. That's a very good point of almost having like a St. George's kind of setup, but for referees, whatever year you bring, you know, 50, 60, 70 people in, but only the top 30 graduate. You know, only the, only the best of the best actually get their licenses from it. And then you can look at who had a poor season last year and go, you're not completely cupped, we're going to give you a few more championship games. And this person's going to come in. It's their first year. They're going to take over some of your Premier League games to see how they do. It's just, yeah, there's the lack of accountability about it. Keran says they are, I'll show you. I agree. But when you look at where they come from and who they walk for and how detached they are from the actual product and how answerable they are to the actual brand is mad. It's fucking madly. And look, I think there's going to be serious questions raised on our Herald Web. I think the P.G.M.O.L. relationship with the Premier League and of course, David Kuehoo, in my opinion, won't have a job or in the next 40 hours. Yeah. And I think, I just, just to tie it up on it, it's kind of the, I think the part of the video that's absolutely the worst. It's the German bit. I mean, Johnny B. Red has a German comment, gets him into trouble, surely. Project 5am, 5am saying he's xenophobic to the most German in the living German in the world. Let's just say he's, he's cooked. That to me makes it like, imagine if they don't do anything, they try to sweep this under the rug. And the next time that it's a no room for racism game that Liverpool is in and we're being repped by David Koot, if all of our players just went and took the knee right around him and just looked at him because it cuts both ways. You can't have the badges on the things like, I know that it's a much bigger problem against black people and Asian people and stuff like that. I know white racism isn't exactly a major issue. But that level of xenophobia and it's something that you see with Thomas Tukel getting the England job that all of a sudden, this casual hatred of somebody else, just because of where they're from, doesn't become good just because that person is also white skin. So I. See, that's, that's the comment that kills him because, look, listen, we all love your club, right? And Charlie has said to me in a few times, Gab, he's made a rod for his own back because he goes out there and he puts himself out and he's outspoken and he's distant. And sometimes, sometimes he makes a rod for his own back because Charlie has said to me on occasion, the time he gets the ban for showing a man's ear at Anfield, we'll pay for that at some stage and we probably have. But the thing is, like, I wouldn't say there's many likable managers in the Premier League when it comes to the referee is how could they like them? How can they like them? Yeah, Q has taken the of Gary Bailo's sons as an unbelievable player. I get that joke now. I had it explained to me. Unbelievable. Carry on. But the thing is, like, this episode is brought to you by AutoTrader. Look around. What do you see? Cars. Lots of them. And guess what? They're probably on AutoTrader, whether you're into timeless classics or the latest trades. If you see it on the road, you can likely find it on AutoTrader, new, used, electric, and one day, maybe even flying cars. See a car? Find it on AutoTrader. Visit AutoTrader.com to learn more. Get ready 'cause Clear the Rack is on at your Nordstrom Rack store. Now through Wednesday, find incredible deals on wear now styles, on sale for even less at Nordstrom Rack. 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There's no manager stand on the toilet and they're all really well-played referee, sorry fortify official. I stood out so I'd be technically ready for a second there. None of them are. Right? They're all winners. They're all trying to win. Everything is win, win, win. So they all come across as a bit of a con. That's absolutely fine. No one's asking, you know, for your own club to be universally loved by everyone. Like I've seen him, some guy, he has a podcast. He has a huge following. I can't even remember his name and he was like, oh well, no, no, no, no, he's a British based fellow. I can't remember his name. Blandy fellow. I can't remember his name. And he tweeted today. No, well, if everybody in the UK that taught Jorgen Club was a con in a job, if they carry on like this, we'd all be able to walk tomorrow. And I was like, no, a locksmith has nothing to do with the club. If a locksmith in Swindon, right, are a key core in fucking, you know, Tamwort is cutting keys in a little fucking boot, right? And someone goes, you see the master asking me, Jorgen Club's a con. Well, that's the end of your business. That's not how it walks. The man that said it is directly linked to the guy. He's one of the biggest influences on the games of football that this guy is managing. It's, you know, and this is a sort of shit that people come out with, you know, and people with huge, huge following come out with. And you're like, seriously, like, are we, are people that fucking mad that he think it's, like, you know, oh, everyone that think Jorgen Club is a con will be in the job center tomorrow. Well, no, no, that's not how it walks. But honestly, it's, it's, I don't know, like, that's what's going to kill him is the war, German. Yeah. You know, and you can turn around, you can turn around and you can say, you can put it with the fence and say, look, I was fucking locked drunkly. You know, I said it, you know, fucking had a few times. Drunk man's words are sober man's thoughts is the same for a reason. Yeah. But then they go, yeah, but you brought his nationality into it and yeah, you know, campus. And especially as the manager of England, which is like, hilarious, just that. Yeah. And as Bernie Volkswagen's pocket puts out, the royal family is German. So coupe must hate them as well. So now I don't just like David Coop quite as much. That's a very good point for you. It's it. See, everybody's human. Everybody's human. Everybody's human. Um, so yeah, I mean, that was, that was lovely, uh, way to come off the weekend. I do think I've just kind of realized this since we've been talking about it. Cause somebody mentioned the timing of the release. I would bet dollars to donuts that whoever had this was waiting for a game that David Coop, ref Liverpool, that had a smidgen of controversy in it. Maybe so. I don't, I don't know if this video would have come out. If he'd have given a yellow card, you know, if he'd have played advantage when Bailey took solid down yesterday and then given a yellow card to Bailey after Darwin Unis scored and kind of, you know, got it right. But the fact that he waved no foul at all and it was outrageous. I think that might have been the thing that whoever was sitting on this video was like perfect timing. Wait till Monday morning, it's sand and here we go. Yeah. Like Kevin Sullivan says there, the hate skills and stuff is ingrained over the decades and you're very conscious. And listen, I've seen someone else in the, in the, in the chat very early on saying saying like Liverpool as a club, as a team, as a fan base should use this as motivation. Yeah. And Liverpool, believe it or not, Liverpool fan base, you know, use it as a motivation all the time because they know, you know, they're, they're not, you know, actually part of, of what goes on and Britain. They're different. The CEO of Liverpool, Liverpool here are so different to everywhere else. Like, and people think, Oh, they're not that it. I'm telling you, it's different, right? I promise you, I've been there. God knows how many times I've met so many people. I've been in so many areas of the city, all over the city, everywhere. And I'm telling you, it's different, it's different anywhere else in the UK. I promise you, I promise you it is, right? And, and you know, Liverpool will use that as a motivation, there's no doubt about it. You know, and like, it doesn't take much to know that no Liverpool are the probably the most hated team because they're the most successful, and in my opinion, the biggest, right? And all you have to do is look at 1920, you know, and, you know, 20 points clear, A games to go, everyone wanted to call off the Liverpool win in the league, null and void, get rid of it, you know, they call it the, the COVID season, which is nonsense because I asked them one in F8 cup, it's the only trophy under, yeah, make an attempt and they don't mention Covid once when they go on a bell, everyone that trophy, you know, so it's, it's not hard for Liverpool fans to spot that are not liked, you know. And the reason I genuinely believe they're not liked because one of the most successful two I think they're the biggest, and as I see, it's fucking way better than everywhere else. And there's a jealousy, there's a hint of jealousy there because no one pulls together like the scalars, they just don't, but look at Zoe's place, there's 6 million quid and they just went, "Yeah, when, it's a meal building, I want to have that." Right, let's get things done and they go on doing, you know, so Liverpool will use that as, as a motivation, and I, I completely get that saying that's going down to January. That goes right back to the, to the Thatcher era, when they wanted like, you know, I can't remember the exact words, but they basically wanted to literally pull that CD down brick boy brick in stages. And that's what the conservative party wanted to do in the late 70s, I think, early 80s. And, you know, it's, it's always been like that, you know what I mean? But there's no point, when people don't want to listen, they don't want to listen, Liverpool is by far and away one of the best cities in the world I've ever been to, and the people are really up there as well for me, managed to climb, that's the words I want you to look at. That's the word. I mean, the comment from Anne from earlier, I saved it, it echoes what you're saying. When we had problems with tyranny, they gave us more tyranny. When Klopp commented on the 1230 kickoffs, they gave us more 1230 kickoffs, it's corrupt the hatred for us as real. And I mean, that's, it is one of the, it is one of the downfalls of being big, of being a massive club, of having a fan base and a following, and like the, the, the plucky underdog nature of the city of Liverpool in that climate of 1980s, Thatcher, Arab politics and stuff like that, and somebody that became a Liverpool fan, that, you know, chose Liverpool, or Liverpool chose me if I'm going to be all, you know, doughy-eyed about it. It's one of the things that makes me love the club even more, that it has that, that it stands up to the Tories, and it's like, no, no, no, fuck you. And we'll boo your national anthem because of these reasons, you know, for reasons to do that. And we're taking a stand for what we believe in, because we're proud of our city and our, you know, our people, our community. Yeah. We're okay. We're okay. We're okay into a geography lesson, you know, like, you know, you know, it's a tourist. A tourist after Liverpool. Go into Liverpool. It's a fucking wonderful city. Has everything you want. It's so modern-nailed, it's great mixture of modern and old, you know, and the people always hold that scale thing they've always had. Everyone is polite. Everyone's all, like, everyone's polite, they always say hello to you. It's such a fucking great city. Like, but I don't say when the 1230 kick off, the gave was more 1230 kick off. Prior to that, well, mostly it's down to the fact that TNT slash- What huge? Yeah, but TNT slash, whatever he wears, what would he call it before? Paramount+ maybe? No. TNT in the UK was- I'm not in the UK. I remember the name of the couple of months. No, no, some of the time, you know, but the thing is that they have the contract on the half-12 games, BT sports, sorry, and what happened here is that they must show every club across this thing, but they can use any club up to six times. Liverpool will always get used six times and they will always get used away from home because the biggest audience for BT slash TNT, right, is the possibility Liverpool go away and get beaten in the forest game of the weekend and everyone wants to watch it. That's where it comes from. And Klopp's argument on the half-12 wasn't actually the half-12, well, it was to a point. Well, his thing was we're playing in Europe and you're making us fucking play and the funny thing is- Indicated. Correct. Indicated. The one person that came out against that at the time was only gonna show share. After playing in Europe on a Wednesday, you had to go and play a good person on the Saturday morning, how to- I think they might get beaten three or four on the other day, and he comes out and says, "What's going on?" And it changes, you know, so there's always this bit and Liverpool and Leut and stuff like that. There's loads of reason why they're not Leut. Very few of them are actually fucking, you know, justifiable or have any way behind them. Yeah, we should use it as a, you know, an inspiration or something that really pushes on. But at the same time defend yourself, you know, like, "Give up who a football coach will be going to go on." Yeah. We want to ask questions. Can you imagine the abuse that David Koot would get if he referees another game? Not even for Liverpool. You imagine the abuse he'd get at Goodison? Because I can't imagine that the Blues across the park hear that and hear him seeing their laughing saying, "You know, "Ah, scouts are shit and I hate scouts." Yeah. There's no way the Blues are going to take well with that either. Yeah, because he's waiting this net with them words, you know? Like, he's just lost a run of himself. Like, that's beyond- he's lost a run of himself because he's called club arrogant, he's called him a cunt, he's called him a German cunt, he's got banged on about scouts or something. Then you're like, "Oh, he poips in at the end and kind of gives a synopsis of what's been said in this video and he repeats it all as well." And, you know, everything in Liverpool fans when they need to, just as a CEO, he does not have to be everything in Liverpool fans. As a CEO, he's torn around, "I don't want to have that." You know, we're just not having that. And yeah, he shouldn't be refereeing a Premier League game again. It's as simple as that. No, I don't think he should either. But that's enough talk about one of the weasiest-looking little pricks you'll ever see. Hopefully, we never have to deal with David Koot ever again because he's just not very good at his job. As it turns out, he's a bit of a piece of garbage. We do need to talk about the weekend results. So I think the biggest result from the weekend gab would be the result of last night's show. You guys were all on top form last night. That was some of the funniest shit I've heard in a long, long time. If anybody is listening or watching this that hasn't listened to the Sunday night's show, I cannot recommend it highly enough. It is absolutely class, absolutely brilliant, but you guys went off so hard. You didn't really have a lot of time to get through the other weekend results. Let me just quickly mention our two charities as well too. You mentioned Zoey's place, getting to their fundraising targets. So maybe everybody that's listening and watching can help us reach our fundraising targets, trying to raise 5,000 euros each for fan supporting food banks in Liverpool, because again, things like managed to climb because of the lovely Dame Thatcher, who is now thankfully in the dirt. And also the Lighthouse Cafe in Dublin. We're always going to keep pushing this. Please help us. If you can donate, donate, you'll find the GoFundMe link in the show descriptions on YouTube or podcast. Share it amongst your social medias, please if you can. How do you want to go through the weekend's results gab? Just quickly, chronologically. Let's go through them chronologically, because I only have them in that way. Big win for Wolves against Southampton, desperately needed win. Two nil against Southampton, Saints are don't, there's no way they survive. No, no, the thing about Southampton is, some teams come up and they think they can continue to play the football, they play in the championship and they get away with it. Not true. Bornly lastly, they just didn't walk. And you have Southampton doing the same this year, and I actually don't know if they have the squad to go, right? That's, this is a Morgan, we're 11 games in, it's simply not working, we're going to go now for a four, four, one, I just don't know if they have that in them. Yeah, it'd be one of the biggest stories in Premier League history of Southampton, so that's my opinion. Well, it would almost be one of the biggest stories if Wolves could survive, because after they, I think they played Crystal Palace weekend before this, and it was, they got a draw, and if they hadn't drawn, they would have had fewer points than any teams ever survived with after 10 Premier League games. Yeah. So it kept them out of that, you know, murky grey area where it was like no team has ever survived from there. It's, I mean, they're still sitting, they're still in 19th, like they're still only on six points. The two points behind Ipswich, which we'll get on to, I got a big result of the weekend as well too. But I mean, Crystal Palace on seven, Southampton are sitting and rooted to the bottom on four, like they are going to get absolutely, absolutely talk, but I. So, it's time to mow and break 20 points. Oh, that's a big show. What's, what's, what's the record low? But in your record, low might be from Derby in two thousand and seven eight, I think. I believe, and I believe it's not a legend. Greg Forrest was their goalie. Our greatest ever goalie we've produced in this country. Was he? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yeah. He's fucking terrible. Okay. I think about it. I know, I know we beat my uncle. That's about 11 and 12. Okay. I think it's 11 points. I think it's Derby. I think it's, I think it's two thousand and seven eight, I think. Because I know we beat them six one around field, Ryan Babble was all over a brilliant that day. Yeah. So that's the record. I don't think they'd go below 11 points, but I can't see them breaking 20. And so I, I don't see how it's possible for a team to finish on that viewpoints. That's, that's absolutely, absolutely atrocious. Also down at the bottom, Fulham compounding misery on the Crystal Palace. I was saying it. I'm not sure if it was on a show or not. I don't get how Crystal Palace with the team they have is this sport. I would almost say the same about Wolves, but I think on like man for man position for position, I think Crystal Palace has better players than Wolves do. You know, Gae E as a, they've got good players, Mattetta knows where the back of the goal is. And scoring goals will get you out of a relegation scrap. And Chris, like glass, there's got to be on thin ice and he was flying at the end of the season. Yes. And they were really good at the back end of the last season where you went, Jesus dare get him some really good results. And he's coming to this season. He loses a lee say. I think Lewis Nanderson was a, was a problem. Seems. Yeah. And there might be one more already glass, but when I watched them, they seemed good at the end of the last season playing nice football and you know, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then when I watched them, it's nearly like, they're trying to be a bit of a counterattack inside. And I don't think it suits them. I think they have the physicality to go and play teams. I think they have the footballers to play against them, a lot of teams as well. But it's like, he's gone in with, I think he's gone in with something last season to help them and I helped them. And then he's gone, well, look, that was really good, but actually this is the way I play. Yeah. I want to do this. And it's just not worked. It's, yeah, it's, it's a bit of a weird one pass. It's a bit of a weird one. And when I look, when I look down there, I think Southampton will go down. I think Gibbs, which will go down and, you know, it was in the next game or two, you're like, they're looking on the other, but Palace just seems to be hovering there. They probably need a kickstart, but that's a big loss on the full, you know, but full on my day. All right. Yeah. I mean, full on my, I think are, I mean, they're in seventh, full on our head of Aston Villa, Newcastle, Tottenham, Brentford, Bournemouth, Manchester United in 13. Ah, hilarious. So like, I mean, yeah, at the bottom. I mean, you, you mentioned you think that Ipswich might go down. Uh, there's somebody else here, Robert McGuire saying Ipswich, you're looking good. I think they'll stay up, which is the funny thing about Ipswich. That's a big result for Ipswich, getting that win against Spurs yesterday, because they got the early goal and I'm pretty sure they made it too nil before their first one back. And it was like, what is more likely to happen because Spurs have a comeback in them. Spurs like a flurry of late goals, having a big comeback and Ipswich have this massive problem of throwing away leads and just giving points away when they do not have points. They literally go, they literally go one or two up and go, you know, with the best thing we can do here, let's get a fella sent off and can see the goal immediately, you know, and then let's, it's like, you know, it's, it's, it's weird. It's a huge win for Ipswich. It's an absolutely huge win for Ipswich because like, if you're going to stay in this division, right, if you're going to stay in this division, I'm looking at the table here. If you're Ipswich and you want to stay in this division, what you need to do is, when, what Crystal Palace and Wolves are desperate and while everything are just shy, you need to take advantage, you need to stay with them. And, you know, people will say, I literally just have to be probably six or seven points clear of everything in the new year if they want to stay at them. But the thing is, if you stay with them, you're like, yeah, we're staying with these. Well, those teams are going, fucking hell, we are kind of expecting them to be down there. I know the pressure's on us and then it kind of gets into people's heads. A huge win, so fucking Sporzy though, like it's just, you know. It's John O just perfect timing. He says, Spurs give Ipswich their first win. They gave Palace their first win. Is there anything more spursy than that? It's just who we might, might be on thin ice. It's not, that's a really poor result for Spurs because they were, they were doing well before that, you know, they, they've gone, uh, their last five games is loss win, loss win loss. So, you know, they're losing more than they're winning. But like they had that comeback against Aston Villa, I think it was, and they, they look dangerous. Like they've got goals in them. So I think they'll be okay. But being intent is not even for, even for big, big edge. That's, it's too early in the season to be intense. Because I think this time last year, where they first, I did a barely dropped the point, I think, after they were really good. I mean, you look at Spurs like, you know, in fairness, Spurs are three points off-court. Let's be, let's be fair about this. Like the, the add genuinely three points off. Like, Spurs could actually win in two weeks time. And if all those teams above them, they'll win. They will go into court because they've a better goal difference than all of them. Do you know what I mean? Yes, I see that now. Yeah, yeah. They, they can make a lot of points off-court. But this is my argument. Like Johnny says, Lester are going down. I, I, I kind of have to feel that Lester will pick up enough points and just hang around and 14 to 16 and be just all right. And because he seemed to kindly score goals. It's going to come down to goals. And somebody mentioned somebody mentioned there that talking positively about Ipswich is that Ipswich are scoring goals and they are. But if you're, if you're going to score, they're not going to score two, three goals, a game, every game for the length of the season. So in those games where you're getting two or three goals, you have to fucking win. You have to win. And they've not been. And that's the sort of thing that can come back and bite you because I've long been a proponent of it. It's not rocket science or revolutionary thinking. But if you want to stay like defense wins championships and goals keeps you from relegation. Yeah. If you can score goals, you're, you're going to be safe from relegating. And you see the thing is like when you see, there's always a team that just gets, usually there's a team that just gets swatted away most weeks. So time to, I'm getting swatted away, but it might get to that stage. Like they turn into the new year on nine points or so. Everyone knows that going back to the championship. It's like, I'll play and I'm going to get a meal to stay in the Premier League. Maybe. But when you watch the teams that go down, you know, if you look up, let's say, frankly, if you look at the back end, if you look at last season, right? Luton Goodell, right. Who else got down last season? Luton Goodell. Sheffield United and Burnt. Sheffield United are the outlier because they, they were no interest in being the Premier League. They just, the three that came up, the three that came up went for right back down. Yeah. So Sheffield United are no interest in being there. They just wanted that money and they knew they were going back to the championship. You had Luton that went down and your had, who was the tortoises? Sheffield United. And who was the tortoises? Burnley. Burnley. So, Burnley, right? Tried to play the way they think they could play. And he couldn't. So they went down. But if you look at Luton, I'd love to know how many games Luton lost by a goal last season. Are a team beat on one nail or a team beat on two one and you go, you know what? If you score 10 more goals in that season, you stay up. And it is, it is that because the funny thing is, a lot of them don't get battered. But when they get a chance to, you know, get a couple of goals and get a point here, or get a point there, they haven't got it in them. And I fully agree with you. I think the fences win toils. And I do think goals keep you, keep you up. Because you know, you're probably going to consider goal or two most games. But if you can get a goal or two in most games as well, it's giving yourself a chance. Whereas a lot of teams that go down, they can see the goal or two. And they just know they don't have the goals in them. And I fully agree with you. Well, if we're talking about not scoring enough goals, if we look at the table based on the fewest goals scored, we've got, so Hampton has the fewest. They also have the fewest points. Crystal, South Avenue scored seven. Crystal Palace have scored eight. They're 18th in the relegation zone. And the third fewest goal scored in the league. It's Everton Football Club. I refuse to let myself leave again, Gapp. I'm not doing it for the third or fourth year in a row. But could it, could it be, could it be the year? Is Leicester good enough to, to get enough points? Are Wolves and Palace good enough to? Well, I think Wolves are a better player than Everton. I believe that. I believe Crystal Palace are a better player than Everton. Leicester, I'm not too sure, but Everton have this thing where they don't score enough a lot of goals, but they don't concede loads either. So that they've more of a chance of, if they can only score one, they'll get more one, they'll win. Then, you know, a Leicester will get a 3-2 win or a 2-1 win. Do you get me? So that's coin that keeps them there. The big thing on Everton is, and I didn't see the game, but I believe West Ham and Everton was absolutely. No, it's, if you watch that, I am so sorry. No, it was appalling. And I listened to the, I listened to the Blue Room, the Everton podcast after and they were like, listen, that's genuine 90 minutes. We can never get back in our lives. And these guys truly are best to be optimistic on Everton. But they were like, nah, honestly, it was fucking so bad. And the big thing for Everton is, this takeover is still hanging in the air. All you haven't heard anything in weeks about it. I believe... Really quiet. And I believe the end of November is when it has to be done. You also have the fact that those room are over delicious future. You will have 30 days, or 31 days in January, to put the right, where the guys have some transfers. But you don't know if they'll walk. And if a player's there, the likes of Dominic Calverle and others, that nod around the way, it's, it's not a good mix. Now, they're covering in, this honour could come in and go, listen, everything's fine, but we know he's coming in because of the assay down on the docks, right? We know this, but how much does he put in and gamble to stay up? And if he puts a load in and doesn't stay up, there you go. Yeah, you've got to think about... And in order to, but in order to gamble in the right way, he probably has to get rid of Chandosh and bring in these, this manager, plus players. And then they have all to adapt to what he wants to do for the last 50 and 60 and 70 games. I don't think they'll go down, but I think if they're, the positions are in now, they're going less than the point of game, right? If they're in that position in 20 games time, the pressure will be so fucking big on ever to compare to anyone else around them. I mean, anybody else around them. And especially if Lester can put some distance in between them and the drop zone, because I think in seasons past, when Everton have looked over their shoulders, of like, who's trying to catch us from the relegation zone? And they see Sheffield United, Burnley and Luton, they're like that. We've got the nows for this. You know, we've been here before, we've done it. We're the, you know, we're the hardened veterans at this. But if they look over their shoulders and they see Crystal Palace and Wolves in one of those spots, that could be them. I think that's a different proposition, because I think the quality... The key here, yeah, the key here actually might be Lester. If Lester stayed up, you know, I'd stay ahead of everything, everything. I look and I fairly, you know, established Premier League. So it's at this stage behind the, you know, the sort of... It's supposed to be not for what? Six, seven years old now? Oh, yeah. And Palace wouldn't be fair. Palace might be a bit modern, actually. Oh, yeah, I would think so. I said that they're pretty much a Premier League regular for me. I mean, each year... I'm sorry, I wanted to just say something, because I'm going to be honest with you. Jono said here, "This owner owns Rome. Go Google Rome. It's a clown shop." Honestly, Jono, I know nothing about Rome. How it's run, how it's hard to be involved with fucking Leon. But apparently that might be the guy that's a Palace, that pretend that he wanted everything. So I know nothing about this man. All I do know is that, you know, it just feels like whoever's willing to trowel the money in it. Like, he hasn't troweled the money in. What he's doing is he's come in and he's paid off. Funnying off, he's paid off a debt. That stops another creditor from having a claim on the stadium. That's what he's doing. That debt still is to him. Now, if he takes over the club, people say, "Oh, he turned that into a capital and stuff like that." Oh, nah, I'm not too sure. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, if you try to put yourself in the shoes of somebody that's buying Eberton, yeah, staying in the Premier League is obviously the best financial option. But if you think that that might be at risk, are you better off, like, preemptively pulling the plug on it and saying, "Let's consolidate, get ready for the championship, take our hit for one year, new stadium, and come right back up again." And believe in your team that way, I don't know. But you said, heaven forbid, anybody that watched West Ham versus Eberton, especially because at the same time that game was on. The best bang for your buck right now, if you're not a Liverpool fan, is fucking Brentford. And I'm looking alive. Bournemouth isn't far behind him either. And they produced again another 3-2. But I mean, watching Brentford at the moment is an absolute joy. And if I'm a Manchester United fan, which, "Hey, shit, I am not." If I found out that the Radcliffe Ineos hierarchy did not try their fucking able best to get Thomas Frank out of Brentford, I would be furious. I would be furious. Yeah, so they are just fucking mad as a team. And the funniest years, they came down, feeling there in the season, and I was there and watched them. And they were lively, where you go, "Geez, these are real football." They're well organised. They believe in themselves to the limited sound so bad. They don't have any superstars. They don't have any absolutely-- Yeah, that's probably the word. Yeah, that's probably the word. And put their well-drilled in month to do. You know, I think Thomas Frank is an excellent, excellent manager. And honestly, you're talking about Ineos and not going for Thomas Frank. I genuinely believe, if Anne's past the cognitive, doesn't make-- is not the sports manager in the next six months, you are fucking mental if you don't go on your Thomas Frank as the sports manager. I've said it when the last fellow was leaving, honestly, he's been there enough. He knows what's going on. I think he's well respected by his players. He's actually morphed from a really physical in-your-face fucking one-dimensionally kind of team. Yeah, you're using a team with six gigantic days. Long throws. And then we have a fucking left centre back dribbling up the pitch. And Anne was like, "What's this guy doing?" And he was doing it. Do you know? And yeah, they're brilliant to watch. Bomb it. I'm really looking bomb it because I think actually, Bomb it has just become a more braveer and what they're trying to do. I think it's Iriola in his second season has got-- the core of that team have bought into what he's trying to do. The bravery is going up a level. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. And I mean, both of these managers, whether it's Thomas Frank at Brentford or Anthony Iriola at Bournemouth, are getting so much value out of what are limited players. Like somebody says, Scowzapit says, like Brentford, they're not missing Ivan Tony. And that's shocking. The level that Imbumo and Wissa have stepped up to score goals for him. But they're getting goals from around the park. Like Jono had the comment there that said, "They've scored more goals than we have this year in the league." Right. I had to double check it because I was like, "I still got away. That's possible. We're scoring goals for absolute fun, but so are Brentford." And it's just, it's so great to see those teams. And it's got to be an absolute joy right now. I mean, Brentford's 11th, Bournemouth is 12th. For both of those fan bases knowing of, we can get some Scowzap's, you know, hopefully they try to take a run at, you know, the FA Cup or something like that. Yeah, they're in, they're in no danger. No danger. Absolutely no danger. And to be fair, to be fair, Brentford were in a bit of danger last season. And he's seen a real, and I think an awful lot of the go-even Tony stuff did affect them. Even though the fact he was able to probably affect them, or I think everything around it, I think affected the club. I just want to go back to Everton because Jono says at Rome, are trying to bring back, I presume that's Daniel de Rossi, who they just sacked months ago after giving a contract extension to him. So, they give him a contract extension. Is he here for like six games or something? Well, they gave him a contract extension, but it looks at this read-between the lines. They give him a contract extension, then they sack him, and then a couple months they go, "Do you fancy coming back both?" So, yeah, so that's where you are on Rome, but I really like Brentford. I really like Brentford. I really like Bournemouth. And I think, you know, you look at Bournemouth. Bournemouth in years gone, boy would have a decent run, wouldn't win for about 10 games. Let them say it was contracted. Then we'll win 4-0-6, and you go there for him. And then they lose, wouldn't win another 10. Then they win 4-0-6, and you go, "Oh, they won 14 games this season." They're 50 points. They're fine. You know what I'm talking about? Totally fine. They feel like they're a bit more than that this year. Both. They feel like they're a bit more. Yeah, and as Mr. Maglynci points out right here, both teams, Bournemouth and Brentford, have saleable assets, so they'll be grand as they work the market and replace well adequately. And then somebody, of course, saying, which is quite obvious, that Scouser Pete, take Kirk as from Bournemouth in a heartbeat. Just Scouser Pete hates Andrew Robertson. Absolutely hates Andrew Robertson. Before we get to the fun bits at the top of the table, Gav, let's tick off the other two games that aren't really of any concern to us. The first one, Nottingham Forest. I mean, all fairy tales eventually come to an end. I thought Newcastle were quite good on the day, winning 3-1 away at the city ground. But I mean, Forest are still punching well above their weight, even though they've dropped from third into fifth. Like, Nottingham Forest. There's another, and I mean, Nuno Espirito Santo. Couldn't have gone worse for him. Oh, no. He won Manager of the Month for the month of August at Spurs, and then was fired in September. So it started great, and it went really, really bad. But he's bounced back, and it's another one of those teams that has, somebody said there talking about Brentford, like a championship style ethos of like, this is how we play, this is how we win games. We're not going to change it just because we've come to the Premier League, and actually succeed at it. Like an anti-burnerly sort of thing. Forest is that. I mean, it helps when Chris Wood turns into, like Ebony. He is brilliant at the moment, but I was really impressed with Newcastle, and I think both of these teams, because we all know, especially if you watch any of the post-match shows, where it actually gets us the quotes from Arne Slott, how much that lost to Nottingham Forest is gnawing at the back of his brain, like a worm for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. But I think both Nottingham Forest and Newcastle United are going to take scalps off of big teams this year. Everybody is right at those two teams. I think I'll take a couple of things on Forest. Chris Wood's big physical good finisher. Not the most mobile in the world. He doesn't want to be running channels and all that shit. And I think the planes were strengths. And if you played it, listen, he's not played in the Premier League championship in Premier League, because he's not a good footballer. He has to be a good footballer. You know, you're not around that long when you're being a good footballer. He's scored goals. He's actually has a really good spell at Leeds. I think a couple of years ago, if I remember really. But the plane to his strengths, yeah, Chris Wood, I think was at Leeds a couple of years ago. Definitely at Burnley for a long time. I'm nearly sure he's at Leeds and had a good spell as well. Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. But the plane to his strengths, Forest of all, right? And the second thing is, they've got rid of the madness. Klattenberg opened the thing, ringing the owner gone. Wait, they banned the whole order from coming to the games? The owner ringing the Klattenberg on. What do you reckon on that? Ah, listen, you should have had three points. Well, that's it. What do you think we should do? Run on the pitch and attack the ref. OK, yeah, that's the right part as well. And then he off, he goes on to the pitch. They've got rid of the madness, right? And they've got rid of the madness. We're in the plane squad as well. Because they've signed another one. And this one. I know he's just gone bump. This is me squad. And he's walking with them. He has a hut on the door. He doesn't need it. And he has a land get pace, loads of pace. And he's not just throwing them on every week. No, listen, just run beyond the full backs. He's bringing them on when he needs to. He's starting them when he needs to. And he's looked at all the strengths. I mean, this is what we'll go to. You know, and it's not. I can't stand your man in the field. I mean, a man is a Yates. Yates, he is. He's a fucking scumbag. The definition of agriculture. Oh, he's a fucking scumbag. But they're doing the job right. And they won't be in any trouble either. They simply won't because they're sitting on 19 points or so. No, quite the opposite. Nottingham Forest should-- Sorry, let me correct myself. Nottingham Forest should be looking at securing a European place for themselves. You know, what a champion is like this. They got tagged out, but put away. Yeah, but the way they should look at it is, we've known the end points. Let's put another 15 on the board. And then we know we're absolutely fine. And it's how it's money, baby. Yeah, and then remember, it's only our second season up. This is, I think this might be the second season, our towards season up. I think this is a towards season up. Yeah. So then they look and go, listen, most close when we come into this league, go straight back down. Or do you survive, survive, go back down, survive, survive, survive. Maybe go, no, no, we need to say to ourselves, Roy, we might finish 12th. Fine. Do you know what, next season, let's finish 12th again and keep the money coming in and let's change. What's new on the side? He's doing the good job. New castle will always do this. They'll go away and they'll pick up points here and they'll win a home and then they get beaten at home and then they get beaten away. They're very, they feel like they're in, you don't know what we're going to go. Another team, it seems fun to watch. Yeah, but you're loving life. You don't know what you're going to get. And that includes the Liverpool go there on early December. I think they go there. They're mastering four days. Have they got them and personally within four days of each other or anything? Well, yeah, new castle feel a bit. I'm not too sure. And they love to go where they go in a great run. Are they going in a terrible run? Then you go, yeah, they'll just be there there about some week. We leave it terrible. That was good. I think the other game you're going to mention was you know, you're treating it against the last one. Yeah, because it has nothing to do with us. I really wanted to get onto it because this little three match interlude of Rude Van Nesseroy as Inter-Manager of Manchester United. It went exactly as I told you it would go because we did a show the day that the yeah, I think in that morning was when Tenhag was fired and we came on and we did a show at 10 p.m. that evening and talked all about it. And I'm almost certain I said the best case scenario is Rude Van Nesseroy just wins the three game season charge. And then Amarin comes in and if he doesn't win four of his first five games, if he loses two of his first three, there is going to be a sizable portion of online Manchester United fans that are going to be saying, why did we hire this Amarin? Why didn't we just give the job to the guy that owns? The biggest turtleneck I've ever seen. I thought Van Nesseroy broke his neck and was wearing some sort of support around his neck. It's the biggest role neck sweater I've ever seen. - Like he was in a car? - Yes, exactly. Yeah, like he talked a better call song. He's like, you need to wear this fucking neck brace around. If you want to get that settlement from that Mercedes driver that you jumped in front of his car to grocery store parking lot. - But he's won three games. - Amazing. - He won against, he won against. Let's start in a lay hope. - Yeah. - He won against. P-A-O-K, Solanoke. - That's a tough away. I don't even know. - No, you're a home. - It's okay. - And gave up about 12 shots to that sort of old traffic as well. - Yeah. - And then they beat Lester in the league, right? - Just to clarify here, Jonathan's asking why there's such an R-B-N love-in. I hope you don't mean for me. I think this is, all right, because it's just setting them up for a call. It's just screwing over the new guy. - No, no, no, no. He's saying, "Where's our love-in with regards?" I think, but I'm amazed. I'm amazed, right? That real financial is still at that club with him coming in. Talk to your specialist about Botox Cosmetic on a botch and line of toxin A, because Botox Cosmetic Day is back on November 20th. 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Need to be pushed to your limit? Their elite coaches will keep you on track to break past your goals. Whether you're looking to get stronger or faster, Peloton Tread has everything you need to become everything you want. Find your push, find your power. Peloton, visit 1peloton.com to learn more. I genuinely am. Like, if they turned around and said, they made somebody else the manager for three games. Ruvann is probably the system. Then Ruvann is the assistant. I don't agree with you fully. I think if I'm a room that comes in, and doesn't win all the games, it will be like that, because that's the way the world is now. Oh, Shane Down says he's gone. Oh, Ruvann is probably gone. Oh, sorry, but that makes perfect sense then. Sorry, that makes perfect sense. Because I actually thought he was staying at the football club, but he's not fair enough. Don't take it all back. Because I think that's a really good decision my Manchester is. It's a really good decision my Manchester is. He goes in his interim. He's part of 10 hacks of all of them have to live, and especially the way you put up front. So it's not correct. It's a really good meal my Manchester is. Like, if you watch the games, like, less to have plenty of shots and, you know, they're not a good side. You know, I think somebody says there, I'm going to go on a, I'm presuming he means 10 game run. Yeah. And Nathan says, I'm going to go on a 10 game winning one. Unfortunately, you think he will. I'm not too sure. They're not good enough yet. He's going to play with three at the back. Who are the three? Who are the three? Yeah. Oh, look, I'm not going to get into them. I'm not going to get into the tactical sort of things. I just, I think it's a huge job for Amor. We'll have to wait and see. They might get that manager, but I don't even know who to play out the international breakers. Because presumably it's whatever, whatever they get and whatever Ruben Amor gets, when it goes bad, it's nothing less than both parties deserve. Because it's Manchester United. So obviously being a Liverpool fan channel, fuck Manchester United. And Ruben Amor really showed his ass last summer that he is a pure mercenary. So, no, did. Oh, they're away. They're away to Ipswich. I have four on the Sunday. Okay, so she and Red Steve says, who does your research job? Is it actually, you don't want to have a word? No, I don't do research. I don't do it. You think we're professionals? Why the fuck would I be checking if fucking Ruben Niskroi has been in the job? You know, you got less to do up there. Obviously, Red Steve, if you're... No, honestly, but it is a good deal. So what's on your phone for rude Van Nistel Royce? It is, it is a good meal for them. It is a good meal for them, though. It is a proper meal to do that. Um... I like the fact that Cam or him gone within two years nailed on. You're giving them a lot of time there, Kev. But again, let me reiterate. Fuck Manchester United, because we want to end the show talking about how the title race is looking. Eleven games into the season. We've got a number of games on the board now where you're not kind of grasping at straws. You played over half of the teams in the league. The three results that come out from it. I thought the Arsenal Chelsea game was going to be a ding dong. And it was very lacking in quality. But that was a really disappointing game, because it should have been a really good game. But I thought it was quite poor. Well, you see... So my thing on Chelsea is that... I think Chelsea have some really good players for if Kyle Palmer is not the middle of everything, I think they look average. And we showed that. We showed that against... I think they look a bit disjointed. Yeah, you take Palmer out of that. If you mark Cole Palmer out of the game, if you get Curtis Jones to man Mark Cole Palmer out of the game, they're going to struggle to create enough to beat you. Yeah, and then when it comes to Arsenal, I wasn't surprised in the Arsenal performance, because you have to remember, they're beating away a barman recently, okay? They draw with Liverpool. They lose the Interbaland. Then they lose the weekend before, who did they lose the weekend before Inter? New Castle. They lose the new castle. And I think Arsenal going into it would have said to himself, "We cannot lose this one. We cannot lose this game, because then it's as bad a run as a city around to be fair." You know, the sort of way that a lot has been made, a lot has been made of city's run. So I'm not surprised. Arsenal probably edged it. And the chance at the end is fucking criminal. He was offside. Yeah, maybe so. I think maybe Saliba was actually offside in the in the in the barbo. But then, yeah, look, it's, you know, with the toilet race Liverpool in a brilliant position. There's no doubt about it. They're 11 games in the one-nine-drama on last one, and there are four points clear to see, that nine points clear of Arsenal and Chelsea. And they're big gaps, is it, you know, was it as a non-assailable lead? Not by any stretch. But I think I keep saying Liverpool can't just go about their business. Because at the end of the day, really, we've gone from Liverpool are finished when club goes, and who the focus and this fella are in the slot, and does not really die goal. But the hashtag slot out in the chat, before he's even managed a single game. Yeah, but we've gone through these periods where it's like, you know, who is this fella? They won't make fifths. They won't make sixths. They won't make this. They won't make that. And then it was like, all they've won a few, they haven't played anybody. They've won a few more. I will look, you know, then they've won a few more, and it's like, yeah, but look, let's look at Arsenal's run that they've had, and they're like, okay. And then, no people are starting to go, no, the pressure's all in Liverpool. And they come before them from the truth. They come before them from the truth, because the thing is, and a slot is basically when I'm going, yeah, we want to be top of the link. We're Liverpool. Yeah. No, but he's sitting there, and all you know, for a fact, if Mica Ratette had replaced, saying there's some banger in the summer, and they were top of the league like this, Arsenal fans will be easily, immediately turned around going, listen, there's a long way to go. We're only learning, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's the way Liverpool are, and that's the way Liverpool should be. The pressure's on Arsenal to win this toil, and the pressure's on C to win this toil, because of what's C-E-R, and because of how much money Arsenal have spent the five years into this manager. And if he doesn't win it, he's going to lose to a C-E soil that has happened, does not have allergy for the year, doesn't really have the groin. Well, let's talk about C-E-R. I'm probably going to lose it. The first city side in seven years, eight years. But if they don't lose it to C-E, they're going to lose to a Liverpool. So that they've made all these fucking things a bit, and a manager that's horns up and goes, "Yeah, yeah, I don't really need anybody." Give us that team, they're good. You know, and now the ladies who's already had a brilliant squad when they come in, but that brilliant squad couldn't justify any one telling them or coming out with the opinion that he'd finished in the top four. So I'll make your mind up. You know what I'm saying? I'm so happy you mentioned that, because it goes with this comment from Johnner that I threw up on the screen. It says the moving the goal post on slot is amazing, because the shift from, well, it's new manager bounce and they haven't played anybody yet, to now all of a sudden, it seems like the narrative of choice concerning Liverpool is, well, how easy was it for Arnest's slot? He just walked in, and this team was perfect from that Jürgen Klopp handed over to him. It's an incredible level of disrespect, because the thing from this season, at 11 points at whatever this is the sixth international break of the season now that we're taking, to take stock on what's happened so far, for Liverpool, from somebody that does all the post-match games and got books full of fucking notes here, is we have hired an incredible manager. The, I knew, I was the same as you. I watched maybe a couple of fan or, you know, highlight compilations set to Europop, you know, techno music in the off season when we hired him, but I knew nothing about Arnest's slot coming into this. No, nothing about him. And he has done nothing but amaze me with his ability to handle the media, to handle egos in the squad, to handle player rotation. You know, we've said it on multiple shows afterwards. He just doesn't give a fuck. Like, oh, Cody Gacko has to start the next game. No, he doesn't. Arnest's slot is gonna pick who Arnest's slot thinks he needs to do, but it's his in-game management. The ability to make those changes, like the halftime changes that you see in Ipswich, and at Brighton, and in-game, and changing the way that we play, of just saying to Chelsea at Anfield, where you would expect that the pressure is all going to be on Liverpool, to take the game to Chelsea and beat front foot, and we just go, no, have the ball. You have the ball, and we'll see what we can do. I'm absolutely blown away with it. So it bothers me, as much as I try to not let opposition fans or mainstream media people who don't seem to know what the fuck they're talking about bother me. It bothers me when I see and read this narrative that, well, it was so easy for Arnest's slot, because Jurgen Klopp had this perfect team. Yeah, but that's the narrative that you see. He's talking about team being fucking perfect last season. Yeah, but listen, come here, listen. A lot of the people, and it's not your fault, a lot of the people that you're listening to, because these people are becoming more and more prominent across, you know, mainstream media and, you know, other places. And what they do is, they sit down and they go, right, Liverpool and England are going to hop for, because that's what they want to happen. It's the classic case of Gary Nevilleism, where you say stuff, your hope that happens, not what you think happens. Did you just compare me to Gary Neville, you said? No, no, not you. I'm saying the people that say, the people that say they're finished when Jurgen Klopp goes. I mean, I said you were going to get 100 points this season. Yeah, no one predicts it. No one predicts anyone in them in the top four, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now, and then it's gone, and you can see the, you can see the needle, the needle, the needle, the needle too, where they haven't played anyone. Then it went to, they haven't played anyone away. No, I didn't have my spreadsheet, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, well, one, one, I asked my father, didn't have a spreadsheet, so he just set it off the top of his head. And which was fantastic. And I'm not going into a rant over them people on the internet, because I don't know the last time I've got me into trouble. And I think I'm into trouble. It's just people annoying me. But when it comes down to this, the simple fact that I'm out of this, right, Liverpool have started the season significantly. I think Aaron Isla has been fantastic, right? I think Liverpool have been fantastic. And not in a sense of how they're playing football, in a sense of how they're learning, how they're implementing this, and how they're adjusting it through games, to win games. And you can't take that away from them. But 11 games in, brilliant start. Let's see where we are in 22 games. All I want to see from Liverpool as a team, a manager at a team, and especially a fan base, is for us to turn it on and go, that's none of this is on us. No. It's all on them over there. No, if we can-- Because these guys have literally manipulated the Premier League world, right, over X amount of years to be in the position of in. And these guys over here have spent close to a billion quid with this, well, not a billion somewhat, not close to a billion, but over half a billion with this guy here. And the arrogance is through the roof of one FA Cup, a COVID one, by the way, if we're going to go down that route. And it's all on them. It's all on them. So when people-- when we get to the end of the season, if Liverpool have won it, fantastic. And I believe there's no reason to fear anyone in this league. I said it last night, Manchester United have four points off toward. If that's not a reason for you to not believe the Liverpool can win it, nothing is a reason, right? Because they are dog shit, right? And if Liverpool win a great, if Manchester City win it, that's what Manchester City do. If Arsenal win it, well, you should have won it. I made them heavy favourites when Roger went there. They have everything. They have everything in Lyon to become champions of England. There's no Roger, does it reduce Robloyna from A? Does it prep that looks a bit off his rocker at the minute? It's the biggest thing is Gabb. It's Kyle Walker. He's not a jail free card for them anymore. He's lost that pace. But the thing is, but the thing is, right? You look at the issues you got on the seat, both on the pitch and off it. You look at Liverpool with a new manager, a brand new way of playing, okay? And Arsenal should be sitting there going, this is theirs for the fucking take. Now, we don't know if Arsenal have the minerals to do it. I really don't, because they feel like they're on the edge and I keep saying they just eat every week. But there's nothing to say, Arsenal don't go in 10 in a row, 10 in the games in a row. And if they do, they will probably be ahead of Liverpool, which is where they should be, if all things are being equal. They were better than Liverpool last season over 28 games. Liverpool have reset to a certain point with regards to their manager and their style of play. So they should be. And no matter what happens, that Arsenal and Manchester City should be ahead of Liverpool. And if they finish ahead of them, great. But if they don't, if they don't, it's going to say an awful lot for them. It's going to say an awful, awful, awful lot for them. I was saying either yesterday or today that it was in the fullness of time, looking back on it, both Arsenal fans, neutral fans, other team fans, are going to look at last season and go. That was Arsenal's opportunity. Because Miquel Artetta rode eight out of their 11 starters pretty much every single week. He flogged those players. Saliba played every single minute in the league. Gabrielle Magales played every single minute of the league. I think Saka was close to playing every single minute of league football. You can't do that. It's unsustainable. Eventually players start to break down. Like there's no player that you can play every single minute of every single match when you're playing Wednesday, Saturday, Tuesday, Sunday, you know, that back to back to back. Nobody's body can keep up with that. And it's one of those things like, before Raju got injured, I'm starting to think his injury might have been a sniper from UEFA of talking about players getting together to try to, you know, don't say the dirty S word, but strike over the amount of games they're being expected to play. That was their chance. But Gabb, just as a man who has just booked some flights to come over for the final match of the season, if we finish in fourth, it will still be a jubilant occasion. If we finish third, it will still be a jubilant occasion because of the transition. Because Arsenal doesn't have this excuse. City doesn't have this excuse. And those are the only two other teams. There's literally only three teams in a title conversation. And the other two teams are not in transition seasons. We changed our fucking manager after nine years. We are undoubtedly in a transition season. We should be third. That's where we should be based on common logic. And we're not. Because we've done things correctly. We've done things well. We went out and we got, not the popular name, not the hipster name, but the bald Dutch guy, when everybody went, bald Dutch managers can't succeed. And it was like, no, your bald Dutch manager can't succeed. Our bald Dutch manager is a fucking genius, as it turns out. Yeah, put the genius. Get on board, people. Get on board because. So let me, let me read this out, right? As she says, the last time we were doing this well, I was too nervous to celebrate it. And then we didn't even go to truly celebrate with in the league because of a fucking globe. And you can totally fucking, if you want, like, don't put the F dash or NG, a global lockdown. Enjoy it. You never know. This is where I am with this, right? And I go back to when club took over, and we were losing games here and losing games there. And people went, it's OK. It's absolutely fine, right? It's absolutely fine. I think it would have been different if club had won a title last year. Sloc comes in, gets four or four of players, everyone goes, well, well, and then you're kind of gone, you have to win it. We want to win it, right? We do want to win it. I think we can. I think we can, right? Because, and I think we can, and on the pitch we can win it, but I think off the pitch is you, which across everybody, we need to just take this in, destroy it. And on both sides, we'll hit a bad patch. There's no doubt about it. Everyone hits a bad patch. I'll go on part. I hate that. No, no, no, no. You're getting 109 points. We're winning. All the trophies fucking get on. No, I'm not. We're not. We're getting one more. No, but the thing is, we will hit, but I'm OK. I'm OK. Well, it's hitting a bad patch. Because if we have the mentality of, God, this was always going to happen. Let's get through it. See where we are and go again. Whereas when the other ones have it, when the other ones have their blip, look at Mansey. I'm just not having a blip right now. And the shouting thing is like, I've seen someone in the chat there, Faye is Foyev. What the fuck is going on? It's ready. It's this. What is Faye? Faye is Foyev. Is it, is it like, it's a part of a fucking, it's a part of an intergalactic question. It's a, it is. It's either the building a spaceship or it's part of a Foyev drill. I know you don't know which one it is. Right? Operate and field exercise. But loads of, but loads of fans are sharing it on Faye's Foyev. What the fuck is that? Right? But this is what we're at. Whereas I think if you live up, you'll just need to go and go. Listen. And I've said it, have the fucking crack. Go with it. If you end up in Tord, it's a great season. Yeah. It's a great season. If you end up in Second, it's a great season. If you end up in Forst, it's a magnificent season. But on top of that, you've absolutely mashed the heads of so many people. Like that, it's, their brain turns to much of a low-pog. I don't do this. And even a chance, even an absolute chance for, I still think, and as much as I, you know, want to live up here to, to win it and, you know, it'd be so fucking funny. The pressure is still asking, and the pressure is still CE for me. Like, literally, them two should be, like, on the serious pressure to win this oil. Where was Shadow for them? Yeah, I think the media and other team's fans, like, like, fucking sick. Pep Guardiola thinks he's a master of mind games, but he's so, he's so obvious in it, where he's like, well, when you've won six out of the last seven Premier League titles, you know, maybe it's a year for somebody else to win it. Like, you little snively fucking prick, like, he's just, I can get it. If he's your guy, if he's your, if he was the manager of Liverpool, I'd be fucking all on board, the hype, Pep Guardiola trainee, he's the greatest manager that's ever existed, but he's not. He's, and I've given up. I'm sorry, Gav, if you miss the show where I've announced that I've given up on not being tribal, fuck that. Nobody else is going to do it. So why should I be, you know, why should we be the only people that are not going to be right? Yeah, but just, just don't go to the channel. These two go against Man United. I want to get a penalty after the whistle. I want all my, all of our opponents, best players to get injured. I don't give a fuck, because you want to know why when our players get injured, they're not sitting over there being like, you know, you don't like to see Jordan Pickford full of Virgil Van Dyke's knee in half. You get Manchester City fans that are like, fuck, and this is the opening that we needed to win this league. So fuck all that, not being tribal. So I've been drinking a lot of rum tonight at this point. Yeah, that's absolutely. I'm absolutely done. When you say tonight, you're actually mean 4 p.m. in the afternoon. But it's 5.35. So yeah, that's because we're now in 24, even to this mess. This is, I want nothing more. Like somebody asked in the telegram chat there the other day, what I would like more, Green Bay to win the Super Bowl or Liverpool to win the Premier League. And I answered the only correct answer is, I would be happy to see the Green Bay Packers never win another game of NFL football ever again to see Liverpool win the league this one year. Because this is, I fucking love this team. This is great. Get on board. All I want to do is see us win. And that just seems to be what we're doing, Gav. It's fucking great. It's absolutely. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. This goes back to that comment about Ashley because I said it at the time when I first started doing shows with you guys, it was the year that we were pushing for the quad and we ended up with the two domestic trophies of telling people of like, if you don't realize when you're on the up of the roller coaster, that this is as good as it gets. That by the time you get to the bottom, all you have left is regret of like, boy, I wish I would have appreciated it more when I was at the mountain top. But yeah, but you see the difference in this season is, and I know we're way over time, right? But the difference between this is that when we were going for that last season, we were all fucking all over the place because it was club's last season. Can you deal with where's this season? Take the, you know, as hard as that was last season and losing your club and stuff, take this season and rumour it. Because honestly, if like, let's put it this way, let's put it this way. Let's go back to the start at your club. Your club comes in, gets to the UEFA Cup final and finishes eight, I think, from the Premier League of Four season, right? Because he gives up on it, right? But if we get this manager in and he goes straight in and goes, listen, yeah, we finished toward that season and I've done toward this season with this squad again and I have my own ideas. Finishing toward this season is big, really big, because it's a completely different way of playing football. If we went there and just done the exact same thing, right? The exact same thing as we've done last season, finished toward you, go, well, what the fuck difference is there? It's so different. You might like it, you might not, but it's so, so different and to get there be amazing. But I keep saying it and I'm gonna keep saying it. The pressure is on them too. Let them go and deal with their pressure. Stay over here and have the crack with the Reds. It'll be fine, right? Yeah. It'll be absolutely fine. I will say, and people say, can they win it? Yes, they can cause they can fuck on winning. And the thing is, well, they're over there and we're over here and we're having the crack. There is nothing to fear in this division. Don't be, don't be giving all this assholes run and assholes this. It doesn't matter what your run is. You need to beat these teams to win the league, right? What do you want? Do you want the bottom ten from last season homing away for the first 20 games of seasons? You can go, well, we're on a run, you know? No, you have to play everybody twice. Like, as we've gone on, we've been away to Spores, we've been away to City, we've been away to fucking Chelsea. Live up, people have been away to Chelsea. They've been away to Manchester. You know, they've been away to Arsenal. And as I said, well, you know, I'll show you, asking a four point clear ahead of Manchester. So what are we, what are we talking about here? The simply, the simple thing is, you play each other, each team, twice, one time, one's away in a random fucking order. And you know what, what's to say? Remember, go back four weeks ago, or coming off the back of this international break. It was like, the next 10 for Liverpool, day we don't after that. We're literally going to preview show, Gev. And I mean, we are seven games into that 10. And we've won six and drawn one. That's what we've done. It's okay. You play something. No, the one draw is our second hardest game of the whole season. And we also think, if Liverpool win the next three games. Oh, you're getting me happy now, Gev. If Liverpool win the next three games. In the league or in all comps? In all comps, the next three games. Okay, talk to me. They will sit with 15 points from the Champions League, I believe. Yep. They will sit, they will sit on... At a minimum eight points above Man City. A minimum eight points above Man City. And I believe a minimum 10 ahead of Arsenal. Yeah, that would be keeping pace with Arsenal. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. What do we say then? What do we say? We haven't played anybody. This is too much people in the chat. I pointed out, Gev. You can't be legitimate contenders for a title. If you've played nobody that's ahead of you in the table. And if you're sitting tall... San Diego said there, AFTV. AFTV is already talking up for us. Their next game, because they beat us around the field. Yet they say we've played nobody. Yeah, but you see, you see, now we're going back to the needle. Where was the needle when they were saying this stuff? It's not that they're not telling you they're playing nobody anymore. Now it's nobody away. And now it's, you know, it's absolutely fucking mental. But we better go. We've been in 40 minutes. I'm having too much fun with this. I just want to end with this. And we apologize for taking so long. It's an hour and 50 minute old, this comment from Santandi. But I just absolutely loved it. Because in terms of perfect timing, and we're talking about the David Koot video release. Santandi thinks that Virgil Van Dyke's contract gets announced tomorrow morning. A total Edwards move that out of nowhere. And I have not wanted something to be this true in at least an hour and a half that we've been doing this show, Santandi. I really, really... Can I say, if that was to happen tomorrow morning, right? It should start with an intro video of Virgil Van Dyke getting tackled by Jargon Pickford. The screen gone black. The Stone Cold Steve Austin music coming up. And Virgil Van Dyke just appearing on screen. Smashing two beers and just pouring them into his face as he signs the contract. So, yeah, that's where it will be. I was sorry for taking up so much time tonight. I'm not sorry at all, Gav. You've gone into this fucking cantankerous mode in the last world. I'm not against it. I'm not against drinking room at 3 o'clock in the afternoon either. So, yeah, it's not almost midnight for me over here. So I've got a couple hours my Monday ahead of me still. But yes, thank you everybody for joining us. There's been a consistent 300 some people in here watching it. So, Gav, we're just giving the people what they want. And honestly, again, I will say it again. After last night's show, I hope that I came because Gav was a part of that show. I hope I came within a tenth of what last night's show. And I'm going to put it on record on YouTube because I put it in the comment for the show last night. In terms of Shawnee Lawson's, some people might think it's outrageous takes on Trent Alexander Arnold. I can guarantee you at the minimum, it was after we be born with 9-0 and Trent scored and he did this celebration that Shawnee Lawson came on and said, "I don't like this common attitude." And that's two years ago Gav, that's two years ago. Let me tell you something about this. And I'm okay to say it because Shawnee is a very close friend of mine. And I do all the shows he does, he does with me. So I fucking know everything he's doing on this channel. Shawnee Lawson adores Trent Alexander and was a footballer. He thinks he is just a unicorn as he calls him, right? But Shawnee Lawson, going back to the start, I've not the season gone the season before. We be born with 9-0 and Trent scores that goal. It's a couple of games in the season, he had been really well. And Shawnee, privately, not even on the show, said, "I cannot stand that fellow that attitude." I cannot stand that. And he doesn't just say it and go, "I don't like him." And he backs it up with the reasons why. When you know you can agree with them or not agree with them. It's completely up to you. Everyone's in toilet throw opinion. But Shawnee is of the opinion that he is a fantastic footballer that has a rotten attitude. And that's okay. You get people going, "What's Shawnee talking about?" Shawnee's talking about what he believes in. And I get it if you don't agree with them. If you don't agree that Trent has an attitude problem or you think that he's going to stay and that we owe him loyalty. But you can't have the argument that he doesn't owe Liverpool anything. But also think that we as Liverpool fans then owe him something. If you think that Trent doesn't owe Liverpool anything because he's won, everything there is to be won with Liverpool. And he's free to want to explore a new challenge. That's fine. But then you can't believe that. And also think you can't go, "Well then get the fuck out of here then." Like if you don't want to do right for us because, again, I'll be a Liverpool fan and you'll be a Liverpool fan longer than Trent Alexander-Arnold will wear the number 66 jersey for Liverpool. Whether he signs a contract extension or whether he announces a pre-signing deal with Real Madrid in January. We're both here for the long haul. You know we'll be talking in 20 years about like you should have seen this kid Trent Alexander-Arnold when he was great. But Shawn, but Shawny's thing is, right? If he signs a deal tomorrow, Shawny will tell you in two months' time that he's actually- It's still shit. Yeah, I know. It's just a thing. I will love Trent again. And the argument that our contract can be, you know, could be hard every day of the week. But I said it last night. You don't know until a, until a definitive thing in this happens. Whether he signs a deal or announces he's leaving. And then you start getting the thing, you know, with regards to what's actually going on. And you have to just wait and see on that. But I am kind of the attitude. I love him as a footballer and I don't want him to go anywhere. But if he does go anywhere, he will kind of go, "Oh, fucking hell." But then the next game comes along and then the next season comes along. And then the next cup final comes along. And you won't really think about Trent Alexander-Arnold, you know. You won't because it's Liverpool is more important than any one player. We moved on from from from from Billy Little and from Kenny Dogglish and from Stephen Gerard. The team always moves on because like the club is the club. But I do think this comment from Ashley, I think that's kind of the $64,000 question is, did Klopp have a role in trans attitude developing the special treatment, the shifting the team around him? Because I was talking with my wife who loves the fact that I'm on these shows so that I can have an hour and 40 conversation with Gab instead of her about shit that she doesn't give a fuck about. And she's like, "Well, what's the difference?" And it's like, he's not the linchpin to the team. But I said it last night in the show in the chat, which was absolutely flying. So this is my shout out now for being a member for the channel. If you want to become a member to the channel, the chat for this channel is the fucking greatest thing going. Please get involved in the chat. Whether you're a member or whether you just watch the free shows on YouTube that you get access to the chat in, the chat is the absolute best. But last night's chat was absolutely fine. But I said, like, Slott's team has evolved past because it was quite obvious that Jurgen Klopp saw something unique in Trent Alexander-Arnold that would allow him to create a team that was hard to be, that could win trophies. And we won all the trophies. And clearly, Arna Slott was like, "I just need to write back." But imagine if that "I just need to write back" has the ability to play the balls that Trent Alexander-Arnold can play, which are almost, you know, one in a million type balls sometimes when he hits them. Because he's not been playing well. So I desperately want him to stay. Because why wouldn't you want Trent Alexander-Arnold to stay? Just let him stay, sign a new deal, stop fucking throwing your fucking, you know, your suitor out, just Trent, just be nice, sign a new deal. Everybody signs new deals. We can reinforce in January. Everything's fucking good. And we can go and win fucking trophies and there'll be a parade on. There won't even be a parade on Monday, Gav, when we're over there. Because we're going to be in some sort of other final. Whether it's the FA Cup or the European Cup, we're going to be in something else. Maybe it's going to be on the lash. We're going to be out at the red line. Yeah, we're going to be in a lovely, lovely, lovely time. But look, we're only going to, with regards to the trade, we'll find out in due course what's going to happen. Whether it's good or bad, whatever way you think good or bad is. And when it happens, it will happen. And then we'll deal with it from there about them. We really need to go because, sorry, Johnny says, I said good night, 10 minutes ago. Would you ever piss off now? So yeah, that's fair. I like this. Ashley says, no one else likes this chat on YouTube. We'll fuck the rest of them. Absolutely fuck the rest of them. No, no, I think she says there's nothing else like this chat, which means that she's given you a compliment. But the room has clearly gone through her head now and you went, I don't care about what that's like. I'm not seeing straight. Gav, it's a pin in the ash. You've had your phone. That's all that matters. Two weeks of football that I don't give an absolute shiny shite about. Paul Giovanni said last night in the chat that he's got a quiz that he's putting together. I'm more than happy to present that quiz. Gav, I know how much you love doing a quiz. Paul Giovanni's putting together a 50 Liverpool question quiz. I will host that quiz. You can have Limoncella Ultra on as your teammate. I'm not having him. He can't remember a fucking thing. You can have Johnny. You can have Keith. You can have Kev. You can have Brecky. You can have Ash. You can have Johnny. Wait, can I have Johnny? No, he can't have Johnny. That's not fair. That's like doping. That's like Gary Bonds and Mark McGuire hitting one after the other at the heart of the order. Don't let me help. The rum is talking now. You're right, Michael Murphy. You're right. We need to get going. We need to get going. Please. We need to get going. Yes. On behalf of Gav, thank you very much for joining us everybody. Please help support our charities if you can. Yeah. Other than that, hit the like button. There's 300 of you watching. There better be 300 fucking likes in there because we've done a long show. And I've had too much to drink. Thank you very much for joining us. Enjoy the international break. It's going to be boring as all hell up the fucking reds. Couple all the tables by. This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Hi, I'm Martin from Ness and Dorma, the retro football podcast. 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