(upbeat music) - Hello everybody and welcome to Boozy Prectology the podcast of leasing three things, strong drinks, strong opinions and crowning champions. And that last one is exactly what we're, what we're going to be doing tonight, crowning the champion in the best 80s sci-fi movie. And we're not going to mince words, we're going to move right into it, starting off with the first matchup, which is the one seed of Brazil versus the nine seed of Beetlejuice. We're going to head out to Clearwater, Florida to start with Mr. Chris Lagori, sir. How are you doing? What are you drinking? And what is your pick? - Dude, I have spent three full days and a couple hours a day doing hurricane cleanup. So it's been a heck of a week. My back is sore, everything is sore, but I am on my local kick. And tonight I am going to have a bottle kill from the St. Pete Distillery. Obviously, down St. Petersburg, Florida. This is Tiplers. It is a combination, a 50/50 combination of their orange liqueur and the St. Pete Distillery's bourbon. It is a phenomenal drink. And Mike, don't worry, when you get here, I've got another bottles where I'm not going to run out. - Nice. - But this is a perfect punch I have a little bit of bourbon flavor, a lot of fresh from Florida orange flavor. Cheers, everybody. And now we get to make a pick. In this case, I love weird shit. And this is like the perfect combination of weird shit 'cause both of these movies are weird as hell. But I had to go back and rewatch Brazil. I didn't have to go back and rewatch Beale Juice for this. Love it, hate it, indifferent about it. It's a memorable film. It sticks in my head more than Brazil does. Beale Juice gets my vote. - All right, Beale Juice gets its first vote of this round. And we are gonna head up the highway to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. - Mr. Michael Turner, what's drinking? And what is your pick? - No, how am I doing, John? Come on, you're failing as a host. (laughing) I'll just make a video. - If I cared how you were doing, I would've asked, I don't know. - Fair enough, absolutely fair enough. Now I'm doing well. I'm drinking my normal diet, Mountain Dew, and Legore, God damn it, you stole my thunder like I stole your Joe Dante joke. You had everything to say about what I was gonna say. Brazil is a wonderfully weird movie, but I think in terms of, if you're looking for an iconic '80s movie, you're not necessarily thinking of Terry Gilliam's Brazil. You're much more apt to think of Tim Burton's wonderful world of Beale Juice. So Beale Juice will get my pick. - All right, Beale Juice, quickly up to nothing, and we're heading back down the highway to Jacksonville, Florida. Mr. Alan Christell, how are you doing? What are you drinking? What is your pick? - I'm doing very well tonight, John. Thank you for asking, drinking water. And my pick like all the rest is going to be Beale Juice. I watch Brazil, still not a fan. - All right, well, we're very quickly moving on. This time we're gonna head way up to Moncton, Vermont. Ian Chilsey, how are you doing? What are you drinking, and what is your pick? - I'm doing pretty well. I've had a good day and I am drinking Mad River Distillery's Double Barrel Bourbon, which sounds like that. And as far as my pick, Brazil versus Beale Juice, I do like Terry Gilliam, but as far as the more memorable film and the more quotable and the one that will appeal to a greater audience and just sticks in the brain a little bit better, I got to go to Beale Juice. That gets my vote. - All right, well, Beale Juice has already secured its spot in the next round. And we're gonna go over to my sixth favorite city in Iowa, Muscatine. (laughing) And we're gonna hear from Mr. Brian Nash, sir, how are you doing? What are you drinking, and what is your pick? - I'm good. It's still Oktoberfest season. So I've got the Millstream Brewery from the man in Iowa. They're Oktoberfest Brew. It is fantastic. I wish I was there right now. It sounds like this. And my pick. So I don't think we necessarily got this wrong, but I do wanna give some love to Brazil because Brazil was the other movie that I had to watch 'cause I had never seen it before. And watching it, I was blown away by the cast, by the very creative storytelling that Terry Gilliam used for this particular story. I did not see the ending coming at all. I loved it. I was very happy with Brazil. I was very glad I watched it. And I look forward to seeing it again to see what I missed. Brazil. - All right, Brazil getting a pity vote. And we're gonna head north of Brian to parts unknown Wisconsin and hear from Siege. Sir, how are you doing? What are you drinking, and what is your pick in this? - I am doing really well. My drink, I have changed from the previous beer, which was the Three Sheeps, Wisconsinite, Wisconsinitis, I saw. And I am now onto the Taco Servesa, which I've never tried before. And we'll find out how that goes, but here's a pack. And it's a beer. (laughing) Sorry. Some of them were good and some of them were just kind of nothing to write home about. So I had to dig this up to be correct on it. Well, I attended Juilliard. I'm a graduate of the Harvard Business School. I traveled quite extensively. I lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the exorcist about 167 times and it keeps getting funnier. Every single time I've seen it, Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Move it on. All right, Beetlejuice is moving on. And I imagine that Wisconsinitis is something you get when your body fat is 30% cheese. (laughing) We're gonna head down to Huntsville, Alabama to Mr. Mike Mott. Sir, how are you doing? What are you drinking? And what is your pick? Well, first of all, what I am drinking. This is a yazu hefivison. It is out of the yazu brewery in Nashville, Tennessee. And it's a lovely beer. I also have a second beer, just in case we start making wrong picks and I'm gonna need it. It's actually the last beer in my fridge. It is the Sam Adams portrocker. And guys, this was not the correct decision. I understand Beetlejuice's the more iconic film. I don't remember it. The reason I don't remember it is because the things I remember are the pop culture references to it, not the film itself. Brazil as a film is a far better film. It is more memorable. It is darkly funny and chilling. It holds a fun house mirror to our society in just the best way. It combines dystopian thriller with British farts in a way that I never thought I would see. It is absolutely hilarious to watch Bobby De Niro and Jonathan Price's apartment, like "Breaking Edge", I had to think the thing. The scene at the end when he's a, I don't wanna spoil it for those who haven't seen the film, but the whole ending sequence is absolutely brilliant, leading up to that gut punch right there at the end. I genuinely think, I get why we chose Beetlejuice and so I can't necessarily say we quote unquote got this wrong, but to me, I think Brazil is far and away the better film. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice is very visionary. It has a lot of interesting scenes and I get that, but in terms of the overall film experience, I think the Brazil is better. I would watch Brazil again before I watch Beetlejuice, quite frankly, but I'm not surprised that it went this way. I just, I think that, and I get that Gilliam isn't for everybody, but I just think, I think Brazil is the better film. So it gets not a pity vote, an enthusiastic vote over Beetlejuice. - All right, well, Mike gives it an enthusiastic pity vote as he double shots or two fists, two beers already. Now we're gonna move on to our next round, our next matchup, excuse me. That is the 12 seated Tron, which took out the abyss. And the four seated blade runner, which took out scanners, and we're gonna start this one off with Michael Turner. - Sorry, you can insert the laugh here, I'm not gonna do it, it's blade runner move on. - All right, blade runner gets a quick vote, head on over to Allen. - Yeah, I was gonna do it if he didn't do it. - So this is blade runner all day. - All right, blade runner all day gets its second vote quickly over to Ian. - I do love me some Tron, especially the sequel, but blade runner has more, just, I hate to say it 'cause it sounds pretentious as shit, but it has more pathos. It's just a better story that never lags throughout the entire movie, blade runner. - All right, blade runner is already up three nil. Brian Nash, what is your vote here? What say you? - I say greetings program. I actually do quote Tron quite a bit with a friend of mine. I do love both of these movies. I pretty much from here on out, I think at this point, I love all the movies that are left. So it's gonna be a matter of which one ends up on top of the pile. So, yeah, we absolutely got this one correct. I, as much as I love Tron and I do love the original Tron, it's not just the video game, it's not just the sequel. I love the movie original, but blade runner is by far the better film. And I've got a lot more about that one to say. - All right, well, Tron will be moving on, but we need to hear what everyone else thought. Siege, hold on, do we get this correct? - What did you just say? - I don't know, what did I just say? - Yeah, what did you just say? - Tron is moving on. - Oh, sorry, that was just wishful thinking. Blade runner is moving on, 'cause I just find blade runner endlessly boring. All right, Siege, do we get this one right? - We did, I can keep it simple. We'll talk about it more later. It's Blade runner, moving on. - All right, Mike, Matt. - Well, based on the last match-up, since we're clearly making decisions based on which one has had more pop culture impact and which one has referenced more, I think I have to vote for Tron, except I can't because I do get that, I do get that Tron, I understand what it is. It's a fine movie in terms of it's place in pop culture, but Blade runner is absolutely the better film we got this one right. - All right, Chris, do we have a sweep? - No, we don't, because there's this little movie out there called The Abyss, that's just freaking phenomenal. And I can't let the Abyss go out like a little punk, so Abyss gets my vote. And Turner, I'm talking about the movie, not the wrestler, just so we're clear. Listen, if you want to vote for the wrestler, I'm good with that, Chris Park is a friend of mine. - All right, well, Tron getting a pity vote via The Abyss, and we'll not be going out swept, and we're moving on to the right side of our bracket. - Since this vote started, Ed Harris is still pounding on her chest. (laughing) - Wow. - And you know what? I would watch that fucking man do that all fucking year long. - I'm not gonna disagree with that, that's fair, that's fair. - That man can act his ass off, and probably somebody else's ass off, I don't know. All right, so now we're going to go to the two seed of Ghostbusters, versus the seven seed of Wrath of Khan. Alan, you have the honor of starting us off here. - So, yeah, Wrath of Khan, I have not voted for it a single time, and I'm not gonna change now. So I'm voting Ghostbusters. - All right, Ghostbusters very quickly gets a first vote. - Brian, no, sorry, Ian, we're over to you. - So, of these Star Trek's, I think the original series is probably maybe at the bottom of my list. I'm just more of a fan of Deep Space Nine and such, and I'm not really a fan of Shetner, or a non-Blankin' eye's name, Rich Krentz, Krentz and Leather. - Ricardo Malta one. - Yeah, Ricardo Malta one. - Yes, Malta, thank you. - Oh, God. - I'm not a fan of his acting, so this is Ghostbusters. Just gotta say it, yep. - All right, Ghostbusters is up to nothing, and now we are going over to Brian Nash. - To quote the inestible Eric Cartman. - God damn it, you guys. (laughing) - I'm not gonna disagree with Ian that the later Star Trek series were better than the original, but I would argue that Wrath of Con is the single best Star Trek film, Galaxy Quest aside. This is not an easy choice, and I'm gonna give my vote to the more sci-fi of the two. Both of these are endlessly quotable, but I'm going Wrath of Con, boys. - All right, well, Brian, forgetting that final first contact exists, does give a vote to Wrath of Con, and we're going over to Siege. So we have another space opera, space tall ships, I don't know, something like that, but the redeeming factor of that is Ricardo Montelban and Billy Chats just chewing the scenery. It really, the rest of the acting is nothing in comparison to what they all did later, but everything was going fine until Dickless over here turned off the power group. (laughing) Is that true? Yes, this man has no dick. Well, that's what I heard. Ghostbusters. - All right, Ghostbusters is ahead, three, two, one. Mike Mott, where do you stand on this? - Looking at the match up, this feels like it should be tougher. Wrath of Con is a very good film, and with you, John, it's right up there with first contact, like those two are kind of play ping pong one and two for me, and it has Ian pulled out the term earlier. It does have that pathos at the end with Spock sacrificing himself to save the ship and all that. It is a very good film. But my God, Ghostbusters, I've been sitting here debating what quote I'm gonna pull out, because there are just so many. The scene, right after they've rescued the hotel from the Ghostbusters and he's telling them how much it's gonna cost him for the ghost, and Bill Murray's behind him holding up numbers about how much he's gonna charge. The whole movie is just wall to wall, and it's so funny because when I watched it as a kid, it works on multiple levels, 'cause when I watched it as a kid, I didn't get so many of the jokes, and when I watched it as adult, they land. It's so good. So all I'm gonna say is this guy is a sailor, he's in New York, we get this lie laid, we're not gonna have any problems. Ghostbusters is moving on. - All right, in the Battle of Marshmallow Man versus literal earworms, Ghostbusters will be moving on. Michael Turner, did we get this one right? - Nice. - Yeah, I think we got it right. - Listen, I recognize that Star Trek is a popular franchise more so amongst the people in this room than I. I'm not necessarily a Star Trek kid, I'm a Star Wars kid, and I know you can be both, but it just, it didn't hit for me. I recognize that Wrath of Khan is probably the best of the films, but yeah, no, it's not Ghostbusters. And there's no way that we can miss out on a Ghostbusters versus either Empire Strikes Back or Space Balls matchup, Jesus Christ, let's get to it. - All right, Chris, I just realized I accidentally skipped you, so I apologize. So you get to have the last word here. (laughing) - It's an audio medium. - It's just on the right list for history, speechless. Ghostbusters. You said I got the last word, I only had one, I had to make it count. - Oh, that's fair, that's fair. Ghostbusters is two words though. - No, it's not. - It's later been stylized, but as presented in the movie, it's two. - All right, well, Ghostbusters will be moving on. - Hold on, I had that original poster at one point, I could swear it was one. - Wasn't it, I don't know. Anyway, I have stupid arguments, ignore them. - Symmetics. - All right, semantics and stupid arguments aside, we are moving on before this chaos gets out of hand to the third seed Empire Strikes Back versus the sixth seed, Spaceballs. And Ian, you get to start us off here. - Right, so, sorry, I missed the first part of what you said. So we've got Empire versus Spaceballs. If we're going for a sci-fi movie, yes, Spaceballs technically counts. But I think at the end of the day, it's more of a comedy. Both are great, both are very quotable. But it's gotta be Empire for me because it's more of a sci-fi. It's overall story arc. There are important parts of the story that take place in the film. I will watch Spaceballs any day, every day, but Empire, it's the one for me for this round. - All right, well, Empire is the one for Ian. Brian, which one is for you? - So this one is particularly interesting in that it's a sci-fi classic and the movie that spoofs that sci-fi classic. These were both sweeps getting here, but I'm curious to see how everybody else is gonna go with this. Okay, I know episode four "Star Wars" was 1977, it's not on the bracket, but I am a "Star Wars" kid. When episode four dropped in '77, I was seven years old. So this came out when I was 10. I will forever be a "Star Wars" kid, and Empire Strikes Back is my vote. - All right, Empire moves up to nothing, and we are moving over to Siege. - Well, Ian and Brian just said, all the things that I've been thinking. I mean, we can't continue to, you know, move along the spoof film on each bracket just because it is funny and it tickles us. It's just because it is that, doesn't mean that it's the best film of the genre. So there will be people who will argue that "Star Wars" is not pure sci-fi. I think Empire is more pure in terms of, okay, maybe the technology is kind of further out there, but when everything is said and done, you have that emotional arc, you have those themes of self and technology and self and the people around you. Space Falls is great. It is one of my favorite films of all time, but it ultimately is not the greatest sci-fi movie of this bracket, so Empire. - All right, and Siege will not let us tickle his space balls. He gives his boat to Empire. - Wow, just repeating what he said. All right, we're moving over to Mr. Mike Mott. - Before I give you my vote, there's something you should know. I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate. - What does that make us? - Absolutely nothing. Look, Space Balls, imminently quotable, enjoyed the hell out of it when I was a kid still love it to this day. It is an absolutely brilliant spoof of the movie and the franchise that it is going up against, but if I'm choosing between these two movies, I quoted something else in the Discord earlier today, chatting with Alan from this movie, but I'm going to quote something else from a movie that is going up against. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Fuck midichlorians, Empire Strikes Back gets my vote. - All right, Empire does get the voted needs to move on to the semifinals. - We're at now with Chris. (laughing) Chris, did we get this right? - I'm hoping that my nerd card is intact. I am a gigantic nerd in more than one way, and I love nerddom. Not all of it is my jam. Star Wars, for the most part, is my jam. However, there are parts of the Star Wars fandom that just keep it on, not a huge fan of that. What I'll come back and say is this, Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie. But it's not a complete movie. You know the third movie is coming. The ending is a false ending. It's not the end of the story. You know that's not the end of the story. It's a piece of the story. Also, there's a 20 minute opening that means nothing to the rest of the story. They did a 20 minute retcon because the lead character had an accident. Terrible as it is. It's a boring 20 minutes. I said it, don't at me, I don't care. Spaceballs is a tight, funny, freaking movie. I laugh every time I see it. I can't get over the fact that Empire, from a pure film standpoint, lacks a 3x structure. I know, John, I know. I know, yep. This is the job you gave me. It is, I'm regretting that now. Spaceball, Empire, lacks a 3x structure. It's not a complete film. I can't say it's the best sci-fi movie or one of the best movies of the 80s. It's probably the most iconic movie in this bracket, but it's not the best. Spaceballs is a complete story in and of itself, and I can't wait for Spaceballs to do what it does happen. - The search for more money. - All right, well, Star Wars is Chris's jam, but he dares to give us the raspberry as he votes for Spaceballs. And we are going over to Michael Turner. Sir, did we get this right? - So, back in the crime bracket, I described Beverly Hills Cop versus Scarface as the battle of apples versus oil changes. This right here, gentlemen, is apples versus orgasms. Two things I love very dearly, but for vastly different reasons. (laughing) - That's it, folks, that is the best metaphor in boozy history, we're ever gonna top that. - No, that's good. - Good night, everybody. (laughing) - Yeah, we get it right. I love Spaceballs very much, but Empire is a superior film. - All right, Empire gets another vote, and Alan, you get the last word on this. - So, yeah, so he lost the bleeps, the sweeps, and he lost the creeps, and they lost his matchup, but Empire is definitely better. - All right, well, Empire gets its sixth vote and we'll be moving on. And so are we to the semifinals. With our first one, the nine seed of Beetlejuice versus the four seed of Blade Runner. Brian Nash, this is yours to start. - So, Beetlejuice versus Blade Runner. Oh, wow. I don't think I've voted for Beetlejuice yet, and it's not anything against Beetlejuice. I do very much enjoy that movie. I just like its competition better in each matchup, and I'm gonna do that again. Blade Runner, I have watched the movie countless times, I've read the book countless times. I would have loved to see them incorporate mercerism into the movie somehow. They didn't get it done. I would have loved to see that art. That was so freakin' cool. But, really, it comes down to just, yeah, this is a no-brainer, it's Blade Runner. It's not even close. - All right, well, right now it is close, 'cause Blade Runner is only up one nothin'. But we'll find out how the rest of the panel says on this, and we're goin' over to Siege. - I'll change that, so it will be two to zero, because no shade at Chris. This Beetlejuice is mis-bracketed, it's just not, it's not the same caliber, it's not the same type of movie. It's not anything that can stand against Blade Runner. And I'll be honest, the first time I saw Blade Runner, I was probably in my teens, and it just, I was like, why is anybody watching this? And then I sat down and watched it a second time, and it hit me a lot different, and then I saw the director's cut, and it hit me, there is so much to it. And the fact that it shows up in Easter eggs and in things like video games and other things like that. And I think, again, it's the most complete performance that Harrison Ford may have ever done that didn't just trade on his Harrison Fordness. Blade Runner all day. - All right, Blade Runner all day gets its second vote, and we're goin' over to Mike. - Yeah, so me and Brian, I think, are kinda San Patico on this particular match-up, and it's nothin' to do, it's nothin' against Beetlejuice. It may have sounded like that it was in my previous vote, but now I've had another beer and change in me since that time, and I feel like it's calmed me somehow. I genuinely thought Brazil is, I just think Brazil is the superior film and should be here, and it versus Blade Runner would be a match-up, but to me, this is not. I think Beetlejuice has some great set pieces, it's a fun movie. It has, you know, it's fine. I understand it's place in pop culture. I think Blade Runner is the better film across the board. I think that I think it's just better done. I think it has more, I'm gonna pull out the pathos word again, and also just, it's more memorable to me. Blade Runner is going to get my vote. As much as it pains me because I think that I'll tell you right now, it's, I think that the next match-up is the championship to me. So, but Blade Runner gets my vote here. - All right, well, Blade Runner is on the verge of locking out Beetlejuice. Chris, you know what that happened? - Fine, I'll say it. I don't like Blade Runner. It's boring as hell. Oh. Also, I get it that people, it's not a sci-fi movie, that someone tell me where the hell Beetlejuice fits into any of these damn brackets. It's a unique film, and I will reward uniqueness time and time again. You can bitch about Tim Burton movies all you want. He is a unique director who does not compromise his vision for anybody. He does not take shit from the studios. He does what he wants to do. And I'm jealous of that because I think every one of us would love to go to our job and just do it the way we want to do it. And I have some, 17 other people telling us how to do it. I am envious of someone who has that kind of clout. Am I the world's biggest Beetlejuice fan? No, I'm not. I get why Blade Runner is a big deal. I understand it, I'm on board with it. That's great. It's not my jam, it's not my cup of tea. Beetlejuice is not a movie. I'm gonna watch seven more times before I die, but I'll watch it once or twice. God willing, well, hold on. Got that out of the way. For me, this is Beetlejuice. I can't get away from it. It's just, it's an interesting movie. And I think part of it for me, the below back that word paid us, you can't nail down what this movie is. Like you can't give me a five words and opposites or where this would fit with any other type of film out there. It's a unique experience. That's my piece. - All right, well, Beetlejuice does get a vote and will not be locked out yet, but we still need to hear from Michael Turner. - So you remember that time earlier in the first episode where I told you that if I would like to remain married, I am not to vote against Beetlejuice at any point in this bracket? - Please don't tell my wife what I'm about to do. - Oh shit. - Whisper. Blade Runner's the superior film. Sorry, it just is. - No, Candice knows I love her. - This is. - Blade Runner is, to me, is Ridley Scott's masterpiece and Beetlejuice may very well be one of Tim Burton's masterpieces, but at the end of the day, I mean, I have to stay true to what I think is a better picture. I love Beetlejuice, but Blade Runner's a better film. - All right, well, Michael Turner looking to get divorced. (both laughing) And we are going over to Alan. Did we get this one right? - Probably. My vote, I will be voting for Beetlejuice though. To me, I enjoy Beetlejuice more. I reference it way more. I mean, the possession scene, the dinner possession scene, the imagining the afterlife as a macabre bureaucracy. I mean, that's genius. So yeah, my vote is for Beetlejuice, but I'm okay with Blade Runner moving on too, so. - All right, and that leaves us with Ian. What are your thoughts? - The tortoise lays on his back. It's belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs, trying to turn itself over, but it can't, not without your help, but you're not helping. What do you mean I'm not helping? Blade Runner goes into what it means to be a human. It can a machine be a human. Are we, are the machines human after all? And it delves into those questions. And I can't, I mean, the tears and rain speech alone is just outstanding. And it's the reason why my Wi-Fi network is named the shoulder of Orion. This is Blade Runner. It's just such a better movie. Beetlejuice is fine. It's fun, it's hilarious. But Blade Runner has the better story. It has more of a question about what it means to be human. Blade Runner is my vote. - All right, well Blade Runner gets its fifth vote and will be moving on to the championship round. So let's find out what we'll be joining it. We're gonna be starting off with Siege. You gotta pick between the two seed of Ghostbusters and the three seed of Empire Strikes Back. So this shouldn't be that difficult because again, and again, when Chris said, you know, where do you put it? Like you could have an entire bracket. You could have probably made in this overall bracket four to six comedy brackets, right? And you could have taken all the genre comedies and thrown them into, I absolutely agree with you that Beetlejuice and The Last Pick was, it's an amazing film, but we're past that. Ghostbusters is an amazing film, but it's not Empire. It's not Empire. And when everything is sudden done, I, you can argue that it's not got a three act story or it was based on, when Lucas was writing them, he was basing them on the old serials and everything was meant to have that cliffhanger to draw you back in. And yeah, you know the story is not ended because I've got, I've got more stories for you. Empire is the better sci-fi film. It is the iconic sci-fi film that we have left, other than the other side of the bracket, which I think is going to destroy it. All right, well Empire Strikes Back, it's first vote. We're going over to Mike Mott. - So I had the pleasure recently, about not two months ago now. I got to finally show my girls the Empire Strikes Back. And one of my, I'm not, you know, certainly not by any means flawless as a father, but one of my great accomplishments is that even in spite of the fact that one of their best friends is named Luke, that twist remained unrevealed until the moment, two months ago that they watched it. And that, my four year old kind of really didn't care. But my six year old was like, oh, that's really cool. But my God, she was bored by most of the rest of the movie. And my four year old was kind of disappointed that Yoda wasn't baby Yoda. That's neither here nor there. I think Empire Strikes Back is absolutely a wonderful film. I do think Chris Lagori makes some very good points. It is not a complete film. And I think that ultimately my vote here feels like it should be harder than it is. And yet here I am, not even really questioning it. This is Ghostbusters to me. I think Ghostbusters is, I'm looking forward to showing that one to my girls. I think they just need to be a little older, but it's the more entertaining film moves at a faster pace. It absolutely builds its own universe. It's interesting when the way that the ghosts are presented and the way that it does it is in such a way that the effects still hold up, in my opinion. The jokes are hilarious, but it works on a certain level even without the jokes. It is just a very well crafted blockbuster film. And I think that it absolutely deserves to move on here and it deserves to move the championship and quite frankly deserves to win this whole thing. Ghostbusters gets my vote. - All right, Ghostbusters Souls even, and we're going over to Chris Lagori. - I'm scared. I'm a little scared. I feel like I'm in the bottom basement of a library walking up to a full floated apparition. I get really scared and a little turned on when I'm agreeing with Mike. I'm going to sit down for a while, guys. - You get a lot turned on, don't lie. - I'm sitting for a reason, sir. - Ghostbusters to me is everything I want in an 80s movie. It's everything I want in a film. It is world building at its finest. It is introductions to characters that you understand within meeting of them for a minute, you understand the inter-workings of their relationships. It works as a character study because you have all three of the main leads. I know Winston, we could have hours and hours of conversation about Winston's Edmore, but the three lead characters, every one of them is a whole individual person, a whole individual character that evolves throughout the film. There is character development throughout the film for all of the main characters, which by the way, we're telling a story about a freaking ghost. We're telling a story about bureaucracy. There are so many layers to the movie Ghostbusters that it's absolutely insane. I love Empire Strikes Back. I do, Star Wars nerds don't like me right now and I'm fine with it, but I love Empire Strikes Back. It's not a complete film to me. It's not, from the beginning of the end, it feels like it's part of a story, part of a bigger story. It's a step along the road. Ghostbusters is that movie, is the movie that made, I haven't write been not direct movies much after that because he kept looking for another Ghostbusters. It is an amazing film from beginning to end, top to bottom, soup to nuts. It follows a wonderful three act structure. It has insane visuals that still hold up. It's funny when it needs to be funny. It's scary when it needs to be scary and it's not afraid to let you feel emotion when the characters feel emotion. It does what you want every movie to do and it hits it in such a pitch perfect way. It might be one of, if you're on Patreon and you know I did my five favorite movies, it's one of my five favorite movies. Ghostbusters is not just a great movie. It's a freaking masterpiece of filmmaking. Ghostbusters gets my vote. That's all I got. All right, Ghostbusters pulls ahead, two to one. Michael Turner, it is your turn, Murr. (laughing) - Let's see what he did there. - To me, this is legitimately the hardest pick. I personally have ever had to make one of these. I think it's the hardest pick anyone's had to make in one of these. Like, this is too classic. This is what every final should be and yet we're here at the semi-final. Like, I call myself a Star Wars kid and I am and Empire Strikes Back is the best of the Star Wars films. But at the end of the day, if I have, if you give me a VCR and tell me pick one, watch one right now where you die. Like, dogs and cats living together. (laughing) That's the stereo. (laughing) - I'm gonna choose Ghostbusters. - Remind me not to eat dinner at Turner's house. I don't want to make those choices. (laughing) - Ghostbusters picks up its third vote and we are moving over to Alan. - Okay, so on one hand, you have the manifestation of evil as a hundred foot marshmallow. And then on the other side, you have basically a journey like iconic locales for Star Wars. You have Hoth, Dagovah, Cloud City and all of this is before the Luke Vader showdown and they get all that done in two hours or about two hours. For me, Empire, while it's not Chris's jam, to me it's damn near perfect. So my vote is for Empire. - All right, Empire not going out without a fight. It's got its second vote and we are going over to Ian. - So, I know this is an audio medium. But right here, I have a Darth Vader action figure case that I've had since my childhood. All right, I'm not gonna open it up right now because all the action figures are just gonna fall out and whatnot, but it's full. That said, this is difficult. Chris brought up a number of good points. Ghostbusters is an entire, it's the entire story. It's all one film. Empire, it's a piece of an overall story. And it takes a lot of inspiration from the old serials. So there's a lot of, there's some callbacks to what the original sort of radio serials were. And tune in next week and we find out what Annie does or whoever, a little on-ranger and so on and so forth, there's a lot of that history to it. But yes, overall, Ghostbusters is an entire, is a self-enclosed film. There's a progression, there's a finish. There's just, there's, as somebody keeps saying three acts. And although it beat "Rathicon", which I will say is not the best Star Trek movie, sorry. I'm still gonna have to go with Ghostbusters 'cause it's an entire encapsulated film and it's something that I would watch any day of the week, not that I wouldn't watch Empire, but it gives you the entire A to Winston Zadmore of the film. (laughing) - All right, well, in the Battle of Gozer v Sidious, we aimed for the flat top and Ghostbusters will be moving on. Brian Nash, do we get this right? - Fuck no, we got this wrong. I love Ghostbusters, no question. Ghostbusters is a great, great film, but Darth Vader, no, I am your father, is the single greatest twist in cinema history. I will fight that one, I will fight that battle. It is absolutely iconic. It is absolutely, it's the stuff of legend. I could go on and on and on about stupid little shit, Harrison Ford getting pissed off and the models were wood and he walked over and started going at the Millennium Falcon with a fucking hacksaw and the production assistants had to be like, "Mr. Ford, please don't destroy the models. "Please don't, just so many little things." I love Bill Murray, I love Dan Hachroyd, I love the whole damn crew, but Star Wars is, I am Star Wars writer die. So Ghostbusters wins four to three and it hurts. All right and Brian upset that we're not getting a Ford V-Ford championship and that's exactly what we're moving on to. The championship around, the championship round, or that too, the four seat of Blade Runner versus the two seat of Ghostbusters. So we're gonna move on to our championship round, Mike Mott, you have the unenviable position of starting this one off. - Oh shit, I didn't realize it was me to start this off. - Okay, honestly, okay, so let's start with, we got Blade Runner versus Ghostbusters. I kind of already tipped my hand here's, but I do wanna nod to something that Ian said, which is that about Blade Runner delving into a lot of interesting questions about what it means to be human and I do think it does a lot of that and it does it very well. And in ways that are still relevant to this day, we have people now that are arguing that AI software has a quote unquote soul. So in that sense, Blade Runner is a very excellent sci-fi movie in that it probes a lot of those questions and it does so very well. But I do think that, I do think it does it in a way that it takes, it takes a while to get there. It is a very, it's a very good moving, but I do think it has a lot of moments where it drags. And I think that a movie that doesn't really have very many moments where it drags at all is Ghostbusters. You're entertained from start to finish. I cannot imagine, and at Granite, it's an already movie, blah, blah, blah, blah, but I cannot imagine myself watching Blade Runner at age five the way I watched Ghostbusters. Not that that's a great judge of movies, but what is a great judge of movies is that I have seen Ghostbusters easily upwards of 30 times in my life, and right now, if you're telling me I can put one of these movies on, I'm putting on Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters gets my vote. - All right, Ghostbusters gets the all important first vote, we are going over to Chris Lagori. - I don't feel like anything I say matters aside from the fact that Ghostbusters is, for me, clearly the winner here. Blade Runner, it's very long. It's not a movie I am ever gonna reach to to put on again to the point where I, and I love Denis Villeneuve, I haven't seen Blade Runner 2049. I will probably at some point in time make time to watch it, but Ghostbusters, I might go to bed tonight and watch. Like it's always one of those five movies I will grab and put on. Ghostbusters by a million. - All right, well, Chris adds one. Unfortunately, not a million. - It's my show, damn it. - But it is up to zero. And we're going over to Michael Turner. - I'm very interested to see how the lower half of this vote pans out, 'cause I feel like the gentlemen after us are a little more science fictiony perhaps. And they're more qualified to talk about this than I am. - I'm very happy that Blade Runner made it to the final. And I think it was a superior film to many of these films, but sorry, it's not Ghostbusters for better or worse. Much like Mr. Lagori, Ghostbusters is probably in my top 10 films of all time. And for that reason, we'll be getting a three to nothing vote. - It will be getting a three to nothing vote. And that puts Alan in the position of either putting the nail in the coffin, or giving Blade Runner its own chance. - Yeah, so I will be giving Blade Runner a chance. If for nothing else, I want to see if I can start this thing towards being maybe not quite the chaos demon John is, but I'd like to see what would have to get to that point. So yeah, I'll be voting for Blade Runner just, it just, to me, it does feel more science fictiony than Ghostbusters does. - All right, well, Blade Runner not going out without a fight and does have its all important first vote. And we are going to go over to Ian. - So, there's a reason why I don't think Ratha Khan is probably the best Star Trek movie. I love movies that, as I said, I love a dystopia. I don't know why, probably some weird corner of my psyche or something like that. But one of the best lines in any Star Trek movie is when Data is talking to Picard and says, "I no longer want these emotions." The question of what it means to be human is just a resounding situation just a resounding, I hate to say trope, but it's a question that science fiction gets to ask. You don't get that from histories or romantic comedies or anything like that. Really, they may touch on it, but that's where science fiction really comes to its own. As far as what it means to be human, what it means to advance the species, and is something going too far? Or have we made a mistake? You get to ask these questions with science fiction in ways that I don't think you get with other genres. You get that with Blade Runner. Yes, I will watch Ghostbusters anytime you want to put it on. I think it's a hilarious movie and I enjoy it every time I see it. Is Blade Runner slow in parts? Yes, but necessarily so. It gives you time to think about what's going on. So yeah, my vote is for Blade Runner. All right, Blade Runner picks up its second vote and we are going over to Brian Nash. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watch the beams glitter in the dark near the tanhouser gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears and rain, time to die. And sadly, as much as I love it, it is time for Blade Runner to die. Oh, shit. This is not the final match up I wanted to see, but between Blade Runner and Ghostbusters for me, I fucking love Blade Runner. I fucking love Ghostbusters. Between these two, the one I'm going to throw in to watch, if you just throw one at me and say, "Hey, let's watch something." It's going to be Ghostbusters. All right, well, Ghostbusters will be picking up the win. And surprisingly, we went through this entire bracket without having to use a single buzzer beater, not once. Wow. And before we go and we do want to hear what siege thought, Siege, did we get this right? Well, I was kind of hoping that it would have gone to a buzzer beater because I would have been interesting, interesting to hear what everybody had to say, but I don't agree that simple watchability makes a good film, just because it is light entertainment. I think it's Cleese, who very often talks about how much bullshit they got away with on Monty Python, simply because it looked inoffensive, but they were doing some of the most high-minded satire of the time. And not that Blade Runner's high-minded satire is, it is true pure science fiction. And the truest pure science fiction does everything that Ian said. It asks about the human condition. It discusses how we relate to each other and to technology and to the future. And I've read not just almost everything that Philip K. Dick has read, but written, but all of his compatriots of that same age and time, it's not exactly the same as the book, but the movie made it work. And so I would say that we got this completely wrong, and whatever there is to be for Ghostbusters moving forward, I hope it goes down in flames. - All right, tell us how you really feel. (laughing) All right, well, that brings us to the end of this matchup. Ghostbusters will be moving on to the 80s movie main bracket that we're calling it. - I think so, yep. - What's it up against? - Good question. - It is up against Major League. - Oh, shit. - Well, that's fun. - There's my soul. - It's gonna be very interesting, and I'm gonna pass this over to Chris to give us a spiel. - Yeah, I mean, that was contentious and fun. I hope everyone here had a good time tonight. - Oh yeah, absolutely. - But, see, I personally don't, you know, obviously I had my decision, but I don't think, I think either one of those movies moving on had its place in the main bracket for sure. - I looked at that bracket, I'm like, there's six or seven movies here that if it ended up, you could make the argument for the main bracket. - Absolutely. - Absolutely. - So, all the final four. - We are done with the, obviously, pretty much the entire mega bracket except for one. And I kept this one for last because if you want to hear my heart ripped out of my chest, you're gonna wanna tune in next week as we start the best '80s adventure film portion of the bracket, and I will likely cry. - Multiple times. - I'm crying, thinking about making these decisions now. Listen, if you like the work that we do and you wanna support us, patreon.com/ptebb is the best place to do that. 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The panel is assembled, we are ready to record. And then as we get into January, we're gonna wrap this thing up. And Mike, we don't know how we're gonna wrap this thing up. - We haven't figured all that out yet, yeah. We would try to get to this point, but on this whole journey, we've got to make it epic and we just got to figure out exactly how we're gonna make it epic. - This journey has gone through a writer strike, a writer strike, an actor strike in two hurricanes. So. - Truth. - My Lord, if you enjoy the content that we bring yet, check the show notes. Come back next week for the Adventure portion of the bracket. It's gonna be a lot of fun. John, I'll go ahead and pass it back to you. - All right, folks. Well, I know we're all looking forward to that Adventure bracket. So let's all hope for Chris's sake. Until then, I've been John. - I'm Chris, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. (laughing) - Yes, this is me, how Chris? - You are Chris. - You are Chris. - I've been Turner. - I'm Alan. - I'm Ian. - I am Brian. - I'm Siege. - And I am Mike. - Until next week, have yourself a good one. (upbeat music) - Wrong button. Someone's watching something interesting. - Turner, that is the weirdest sound for a vibrator, I've ever heard of much. (laughing) (laughing)
Welcome back to Boozy Bracketology and the exciting and contentious conclusion to the Sci-Fi portion of the 80s Movie Mega Bracket. John hosts the returning panel of Chris, Turner, Alan, Ian, Bryan, Siege, and Mike to make all these tough decisions. Only one of these movies can make it into the main bracket, but which one is it going to be? Tune in to find out!
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