DP and Jay Foreman React to Dna Holgorsen being named Nebraska FB OC- November 11th, 2024-4:25pm
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DP and Jay Foreman React to Dna Holgorsen being named Nebraska FB OC- November 11th, 2024-4:25pm
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Jay Forma, DP, Austin Orman, 1040-0 Street, second segment here. Transition day, I guess you would call it, or I sure what it would have called, but obviously the breaking news or from that rule, the weekly presser, right, that Coach Dana Horgensen is going to take over the play calling duties and he's officially the offensive coordinator. So, I mean, you came in. It was here in January, I think, for a little while. And then, obviously, it was down at TCU. And obviously, they kind of, like, obviously, got them from TCU. See, I was under the assumption that, like, he was just, like, kind of as-needed consultant. So, then, I didn't know that he was actively, like, you know, got hired away. Or was it, was it my wrong on that or what? I think that was the initial goal, was just to have him as consultant. The things moved quicker than the general thought they might. Well, I mean, they had had the conversation about him being the offensive coordinator in full, before. Yeah, in January. Couldn't get, couldn't get ink to paper, for whatever reason, any variety of reasons. And then, you know, life kind of throws cards on the table. Jay, you're not surprised at the result, right? I mean, intent is one thing. Yeah, I just, I mean, I guess, yes and no. Generally, like, consultants will come in and, like, you, like, the now when you do have consultants, you know, you can do a lot of that stuff from home. I've done some stuff at home, just in particular with different teams, with linebackers, different players and stuff, and you're just at home. So, that's the approach I was taking it. Now, when you're on site and you said they're going to keep them, I think, initiatives, the position, whatever, evolved. So, I mean, you hear, you know, so that's a lot different. So, in that case, I'm not surprised. But then I was, you know, I'm not really thrown off by it, because number one, he's called plays before. He's obviously well accomplished as a play caller. Number two, it's not going to be a new playbook. So, to me, it's not a huge shock because I think, of course, of course, he's going to add a little spice to it. But I will tell you this. I'll be highly surprised that he's coming with a new playbook. I think he's going to take the one that they have. You know, obviously, keep stuff that he likes, subtract stuff he doesn't like. And the plays that he's going to add is going to be in a weekly basis. You do that anyways. Like, we put in new defenses almost every week, right? Based on what the matchups to be. I think the biggest thing is going to be if you see, like, just the rhythm. That's where he's going to help. Now, a combination of plays in the continuity, right? Where you're, if you're when you're getting your inside, outside zone going, then that's where you come to have, you know, boots and stuff like that. And then you can, you know, you can do half boots, you know, your smokescreen. You can run your tunnel screen. You can do your orbit motion when it, how it all comes together, the pieces of the puzzle. That was probably going to be the biggest difference of the, um, the continuity plays and maybe the pace of the game. Here's, here's where I'm curious because there are things that he can change, but they're again, time matters. Opponents matter. But it's a thing that you've talked about before, Jay, the coaches have a loyalty. They're either extremely overly loyal to players. Yeah. Or not loyal enough. Sure. What you're going to see is new vision that there may be some folks that Sadafield really like in situation in circumstance. Sure. Yeah. Right. There's certain, there's certain things that he felt comfortable calling in high repetition. Things that Dana made. You know what? No. One. There's the gunslinger, but then there's also the, the, the real rifleman. And there's a difference between somebody that calls plays to attack a specific player situation circumstance rather than somebody that calls what they think is best for that situation. Yeah. And data is a bit of a, of a rifleman. Yeah. He's, he's very strategic about what he does. That's why his offense has been really good. I mean, I mean, to see who. I don't think from his films, from his films, from his film vantage. Right. Who he would use. Yeah. More than Sadafield would use. Yeah. Would have used in the past. And I don't think it's going to change much. You ain't going to be able to make you just, just not enough time. Now next year, yeah, there's not enough time. I mean, there, there's probably going to be some new guys in there. You're probably up ticked to competition, which is, which is new opportunity, which is good. And some reality for some guys. And that should always, you shouldn't have to be at this point. And I'm sure that I probably venture to say just from his past, I think that it might be a little bit more aggressive in their route tree and, and what they do. So that might add some, you know, obviously I'm thinking like Lloyd and guys like that, that can just, you know, eat up some coverages and all that. So I think you might be seeing a change there. I did. Here's where I like, here's, and I know the coaches got to say the right thing. Here's my problem is this. If you all of a sudden play better, if somebody else is calling, calling play, that's a choice that shame on you. Or play harder, excuse me, play better than obviously, you know, that's, you know, you're, you know, then that's, that's a choice that's shame on you. I ain't got nothing to do with coaching. That means. Then that means you decide to turn it up. When it got turned up on you, you got to always be turning it turned up. That's, that's, that's, that's where I'm going to see now granted coaches can come in and have a different standing and more demanding. I'd like, I'm not from the, I'm not from the mindset that I'm going to coach scared. I'm going to coach. Now I'm going to be respectful. And I'm going to coach Austin different than I'm a coach DP because you guys are two different players, two different people in the way that you, or we. Right. So we communicate. We communicate. We all communicate differently, but I'm the figurehead. Then that so that that's going to be, that's probably going to be in a, you won't know that until you see it on the field, but. You know, it really doesn't matter what place you cause that execution has got to be better. That's, I mean, that's got to be, that's got to be the first thing now granted. A different vision, a different thought process, a different, a different rhythmic pattern pattern, a different idea of how to do it. And I've been on different on both sides, you know, whether it's Jerry Gray calling, calling his defense versus when Greg Williams had to step in when Jerry was sick. Totally different, you know what I mean? But it's the same defense. So it'd be interesting to see how that goes. Some of it, some of it is, is the choice, right? Yeah, players choice. But we also know that because people respond differently to different leadership, that people step up who were a step away before. The advantage for me, when I, like I've always been the fix it coach. So I come in, I'm Dana in this case that I would be brought in to fix something and I'll go to Barry and say, okay, tell me what you think is going on, and then I can put my eyes to it. And I was like, okay, well, you know what, maybe, maybe Jay Forman should have his own show. Maybe, maybe we, maybe we need to use that producer guy Austin instead of instead of dragging ourselves over using certain people, we get better production by putting people in cases that they want to be in with new opportunities. Cause it's Austin's time to shine, like Austin sitting over there, a little lingering right that he, wait a minute. I'm as good as that. Like let me go be great. Let me go be great. So I think listening, listening to some players talk last week on their week off and have some of them say, there's some really good things about him. About the day and then code data. Yeah. Yeah, of course there's a right. Your favorite new guy, right? Yeah. Unless you're one of the old hangers on who you haven't produced. You haven't done the work, but you still managed to be out there to screw up each set in critical moments. Right. That dude ain't happy this week. He's not happy today. You know why? Because the guy behind him is going to get a look now, or at least get into consideration now. And the other thing. The best part of this is that Dana gets to go to the element and have conversations about what he's comfortable with. Not comfortable with favors, disfapers. And having a new voice to it. New years and a new voice can change, can change a player. I mean, I listen, I had it. I had a quarterback. He was number four quarterback on the roster. But I liked the kid because he just did everything the way it was coached. He wasn't the most talented. He wasn't the biggest strongest fastest. But Jay, if I gave him three steps for zone read eyes to outside hip of the edge, read the route so the RPO becomes second nature to you. That's exactly what this kid was going to do. That dude was the number four quarterback before me. Right. I'm like, I'm playing that dude. That dude went to West Point. Yeah, it can happen. He went to West Point. That dude let the DMV and passing. 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I mean, I think at this point, this isn't the time to clear the benches. Your folks got to be the win. Now, you can put guys in that haven't played to see what they can do and very structured and, you know, hey, these are the four plays I need your, you know, this is when you could be getting the game. But, you know, look, if you've been a guy that's kind of been, you know, playing Halloween and doing just enough. Then you've got to do more or, you know, young buck behind is going to take the red from me. And that's the way that's, that's just the law of the jungle. And I think that goes back to what D.P. was saying too about Marcus Satterfield having the plays, the formations, the players he went to. Maybe it'll be the same, maybe it'll be different for Dana Holgers. And Matt Rule said they're not going to yank a red shirt from a kid. They told they were going to red shirt already. They're going to stay true to that. But if they have games available, use them. They're there. And this is where, no, it's not time to empty the bench. But if guys are on the team that Nebraska thinks they can help them win, put them in there, which on the one hand. Okay, good. You made that decision. If there are any of these guys, maybe a little bit too late, but at least got to that decision. And then it's, what, what are you more focused on? Are you focused on the fact that Nebraska got to these players eventually? Hey, they found something they're building for next year, or are you more disappointed that, hey, you had the opportunity to use these guys before that you weren't taking full advantage of. I think both things can be true, but just go win a game. Yeah, I think that if you're playing now, you probably weren't ready. You got to, I mean, because, you know, I could have probably played as a freshman, but I, I don't think it'd be, I know for a fact that the beginning season wasn't ready. I was more ready at the end of the season. If we had the same kind of structure, you know, like play for game, or even if it was to throw me in there and get my feet wet and all that. So, you know, I think it's, you know, what's really going to be interesting is, you know, maybe the different personnel groupings, but then the plays that fit those guys that probably be some, and some guys will, because it's a different philosophy, right? And there's some fight harder guys waiting for opportunity. And Jay, you could probably immediately think of teammates who were fight harder guys. Well, I mean, I mean, listen, man, I can tell you right now, you know, catching balls, you know, if you need to run the, run the route, and if you need to hit, you know, hit that comeback route, a deep comeback, and you got to hit that 11 and a half 12, and you got to come back to the ball to make sure you catch it at 10. It actually is probably a lot more important now, you know, whatever. And you hate to say it because, you know, you don't want to be like, "Oh, well, they weren't doing it before." And I really believe if we executed better individual, like as players, we're not having this conversation right now. Well, we don't have to say it. They said it. Right, but the production says... Sure, but the go-to and the low-hanging fruit is the coach's fault. Well, that's sure. They're getting paid for it. And it used to be the coaches are highly paid. Well, so are the players. So that's why I'm going to, that's why I look, dude. The players control the game. Players control the culture. The coaches need to guide you, and there is different ways to guide you, and you need to coach differently. But I can guarantee you, if the execution and efficiency level was as high as it was at the beginning of the season, or in all that stuff, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. But if it was just the players, bringing in Dana doesn't do anything for you. Well, what is it? If it's just the players make, not making plays. Dana doesn't know that. They don't know him. Right. So he's not going to come in and call plays and get to... I've said from the get-go, everybody being responsible. Coaches and players are being responsible. Everybody. There is responsibility. There's plenty of responsibility in all three phases to hand out. But I can guarantee you with 100% factual that if they execute it better, we ain't having this conversation right now. And that's a choice. I still, you know, I'm going to fight you on this. So I'm still going to lean on... But you're making my point, though. I agree. I disagree in the full sense yet. Right. But you as a coach, Jay Foreman as a coach, is not going to continually put somebody out there who is not prepared, who can't produce, isn't, can't execute, because you to figure it out somewhere in 22 weeks. Right. Right. You to figure it out that I need to put them under practice situations where we can, I can go through virtual situations where, what do you see, what are the options, where's your duress, how do you finish the play, and you do that in repetition for 22 weeks. And after 22 weeks, if I can't get Jay Foreman to wrap up on the, on the, on the, on the boundary... Right. Hopefully as a coach, I can find somebody else who can wrap up on the boundary and set the edge and teach them and coach them to do so. It's everybody. Right. Yeah. I mean, no, it's not just on the players to lay in Tanner. But let's, let's not, I mean, I'm just telling you, man, you don't hear about coaches at winning places because the players control it. That's what I'm telling you. It will never change. I'm sorry to tell you, you can, you can bring in Nick Saban here and you can run a three, four. If you decide to go this way and everybody's going that way and during the week, you go that way. Well, then I only can play the dudes. I do that. But you decided to somehow some way to do something you never done. That ain't got nothing to do with coaching. If you do it once, okay, you know what? Right. You do it twice. Right. Okay. Week two, like week one, you got out there after, after a month of training camp and you did it the right way, the way I coached it. Right. And then in game one, you just went yellow socks and you just let it go. But it's not always the same person. Right. But, but here's the thing. If it's the same person and they doing it again in week eight and week nine. Yeah. Okay. It's all, it's a fool me once. But it's not the same person. It's not the same person. And that's where I, that's where that's where that's what I'm talking about. When you have to be your official, you have to be efficient when you're doing things. Great plays. Don't just, if you don't have Randy Moss and all that stuff, you're not going to be able to Moss people. Right. You got to out execute people and stuff like that. Now this coach, look, I could tell you that you could call better plays, right? Because you wouldn't get here. So we're both right. But until there is encounter, like until you are accountable to your teammates, it don't matter who's calling those plays, man. I can promise you. I've been on teams like this. I've been with, I've played with players that went up there and this is at the professional level and got coaches fired and did the same thing the next year. And then, and then that's why what you see is sometimes when you do is players are like, Oh, well, it's his fault. Well, and I, and this is no different than the transfer report. I'll say the same thing. If, if you take J form in here, say, I decided to go to Michigan. Right. Right. I'm just saying, or wherever you go in, right. Right. When I'm in that portal and I get teleported up there and Arbor to whatever. For whatever, whatever it was. Now, if I was a quarterback and I got two guys in front of me and I'm never going to play this, this one thing, but if it was a work habit or how I executed or my dedication and that time that I drove up there to wherever I'm going, if that didn't change, it can come out. Now, I'm going to be on my best behavior in that first, in that first few weeks, right? I'm going to be on my best behavior. But when it come down to, to, you know what, cutting time. I'm going to go back to what I ain't fixed. And then it's going to be the same thing. That's why the portal so dangerous. That's why you have to have player accountability. And yes, you can do it right now. You just got to do it a different way. We, we, you mentioned Michigan. We can talk about Drew Henson. We could talk about Drew Bledso in New England. And there was somebody behind him who was back to the basics. I was waiting. They were waiting. Like here's the thing. You, a coach made that decision twice. Two sets of elite coaches made the same mistake. And they, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mo, Mo Lewis made the choice for Bill Belichick. Okay. But that, that, that, that Mo Lewis made that choice. No, no, no, no, no. But, but, but, but. Let's, I was there. By not starting him. By not starting him. If, if, if Mo Lewis did not essentially almost kill Drew Bledso, we ain't talking about Tom Brady. I'm just promising you that right now. A Christmas present. How, how, how Brady sat on the bench at Michigan. When there were players on the Michigan team who said, Hey coach. That dude over there. Yeah. Well, that was politics. Right. That was politics. That was politics. That was politics. That's where I was going. That was politics with Drew Henson. Now, but you got to look at the whole scope of things, right? And Drew Henson somehow got in league. He was a great baseball player. I think I drafted by the Yankees, correct me if I'm wrong. Right. His dad was a local, like legend Michigan coach or high school coach. So it was already set. Tom Brady was still playing. The problem was they would get down and they'd be like, you was a cleanup man. Yeah. Now, I have a problem with the board who sits up there and, you know, reveres and getting a national champion. Hey, look, dude, you garbage. This dude right here, you knew was better. Now you had some, you had stuff to do. So it was probably the first NIL. Like I, you know, fully imagine. That you had teammates. That weren't starters that you knew could ball. We had some guys. Right. You knew could ball and it didn't always make sense that they weren't getting the opportunity. And then somebody, something, an injury happens. Situation comes along. Yeah. Timmy Smith becomes, you know, right? Yeah. Those things happen. Often it's player and coach. Not media. Same place. Right. All that stuff. So Austin, take us a break, bro. 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