DC The Brain Supreme of hip-hop group Tag Team is here! There is much to learn about the Denver turned Atlanta group and their southern bass origins. "Whoomp! (There It Is)" is a party anthem, a sports anthem, and one of the biggest hip-hop singles of all time. DC Glenn teaches us on how to be most affective at what you do, and shares a vast amount of knowledge about business.
Dope Nostalgia
Episode 218 - Tag Team
[Music] Open up that crystal Pepsi and get comfortable. [Music] This is Dopeness Up. [Music] Welcome this is Episode 218 of Dopeness Dalja Podcast. I'm Naomi your host. Today we talk with DC, the Brain Supreme of Tag Team. You were in a cave somewhere if you never heard, boom, there it is. But it's one of the greatest sporting anthems of all time. And it came from Tag Team. So I learned a lot from DC, the Brain Supreme. He told me so much about business and how to, you know, get your brand out there. So, hey, check out this interview. We had a good time. And before that, here's a little more interesting background information on Tag Team. [Music] Please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not to be taken as actual 100% fact. Any donkey could edit it at any time. If I'm reading you the artist bio, that stuff is a real truth. Tag Team is an American hip hop, pop rap duo residing in Atlanta, Georgia. They are known almost solely for their 1993 single, Whoop, There It Is, which appeared in numerous advertisements, films, and television series. The duo is made up of Cecil Glenn, who goes by DC, the Brain Supreme, and Steve Gibson, who goes by Steve Roland. In the early 1990s, Tag Team broke stereotypes about the hip hop genre by demonstrating that there is more to hip hop than inflammatory lyrics. The success of Whoop, There It Is, represented a milestone in the history of hip hop because it has been enjoyed by culturally and generationally diverse audiences. DC Glenn and Steve Gibson grew up in Denver, Colorado. They met at Manuel High School in 1982, where both pursued their musical interests. Gibson played drums in the jazz band and attended audio engineering classes at an early college education program. While Glenn sang as a tenor in Manuel High School's "Bolt Vibrations" chorus, they began to develop his hip hop artists in their youth, but the musical style of Tag Team originated after they moved to Georgia and were exposed to the Southern-based genre. In 1988, Gibson enrolled at the Art Institute of Atlanta to study studio engineering. Glenn followed shortly after he had been attending Sacramento State University. It was in the south that the two were inspired by artists such as Success and Effect and Kilo Ali, as they explored the roots of the Southern hip hop genre. In 1990, Gibson and Glenn released their first 12-inch single, Strictly Political, as the Tag Team crew. In August of 1992, Tag Team recorded Whoop, There It Is! At that time, Glenn was working as the main DJ at a gentleman's club in Atlanta called Magic City, which would later become recognized as a hub for Atlanta hip hop and rap music. Glenn played the track in the club and the same day it was mixed. Whoop received the biggest crowd response he had ever seen as a DJ. The single was shot to and rejected by multiple record labels because executives were unfamiliar with Southern bass and were unsure if the sound would sell well around the country. Glenn instead borrowed 2,500 from his parents to press 800 records. The singles quickly sold out in Atlanta on word of mouth alone. A representative from Mercury Records ultimately pointed them in the right direction, suggesting that the best person to remember won't use it from the Southern bass genre with Stax Records mogul, Al Bell. Glenn reached out to Bell, who agreed to sign Tag Team. Within months, Whoop reached the top position on the Billboard Hot R&B Hip Hop chart and the Hot 100 Single Sales chart. The record held the #2 spot on the Billboard Hot 100 for 7 weeks straight and reached platinum status, signifying the sale of at least a million copies. In February 1994, it received its fourth platinum certification and the song came to be used at sports events and in motion picture productions such as Elf, Shark Tail, Beverly Hills, Chihuahua, and D2, The Mighty Ducks. A similar song, Whoop, there it is, was released by the Miami bass group 95 South a month prior to Tag Team's Boomp. Both groups record companies maintained that the similarities were a coincidence, as the phrase Whoop or Whoop, there it is, was a common expression used by dancers in Atlanta and Miami nightclubs or members from both groups spend a lot of time. Arsenio Hall hosted both groups on his show to perform their versions of the songs and let viewers vote on their favorite by calling a 900 number to donate money to the relief effort for the 1993 Midwest Floods. Lyrically and musically, critics and listeners have pointed out the song's positive and uplifting vibe. The phrase Whoop, there it is, has come to mean something similar to, look at that, it is intended to encourage positive partying. In interviews, Glenn and Gibson discussed the conversation in which they decided to use the phrase. Glenn said, "Oh man, we need to do a song called Whoop, there it is." Gibson was on board immediately, replying simply, "How do you spell it?" Tag team has explained that the phrase is about anything that one agrees with on a positive level. Whoop, there it is, also has a unique beat and baseline that fans sometimes refer to as Whooping. Whoop has been called the bomb party song of the 90s by Atlanta magazine and among the country's most commercially successful singles of all time. What an honor and a pleasure it was to have this next guy on the show. Welcome DC the Brain Supreme to Dope Nostalgia. DC the Brain Supreme, thank you so much. I'm excited about how much tag team is doing nowadays too. Yeah, that's a whole conversation. You will get there. That one. Now, who were your musical heroes growing up? Who was influencing you? Nobody, I was a kid playing. Yeah? I would hear... So as a child, I would hear the stuff that my father would play, which was the 70s stuff like Shaft and it was just a variety of things, right? A variety of songs, but nothing really influenced me. Music didn't start influencing me till I got to junior high and high school. And that's a, I think one of the first songs I ever really just was like, that is just a great song, was Queen We Will Rocky. Yeah. And that was just such a hard record, right? And after that, it was just what was being played on the radio. But then I started getting influenced by music because they had used to have these these ads and magazines, right? Where you could buy, get 10 albums for a penny. Columbia House. Columbia House. Yeah. Greatest trick on Earth, you know what I mean? For a kid because you didn't know that it was any down. That's credit, right? So, I think my credit has been screwed up since I was about 12 years old. And so I ordered those albums and just started listening to music, but it wasn't until I got to high school where I switched from matchbook to manual high school in Denver, Colorado, that I heard Planet Rock and I heard, you know, I'd heard rappers delight when I was in junior high school. But that was like a universal song, but when you started hearing, you know, Planet Rock and Soul Sonic Force and looking for the perfect beat and all not fish and all those records like that, those old electronica hip-hop records, that's what got us started. And I used to hear when I got to high school at manual 11th grade, I met Steve and Steve had a band. I started a blog post about that today as well called the business band because the question is, is tag team a band? And instead of asking the question, yes or no, it's like the genesis of tag team started as a band back in the early 80s, right? Um, Steve, Howard Houghs, Otis Preston, George Ed Tillman, they used to play in the quad at the high school, right? Every now and then and I saw him play the first time I saw him play, I was like, I got to be in that band. And I used to work in a truancy office with Miss Patton, not Miss Patton, yeah, Miss Patton and Miss Dave, not Miss Davis, but Miss Perry and Miss Davis was the conductor, Dr. Joyce Davis was conductor of bolt vibrations choir. And they used to just, I used to hear beautiful music coming down in the hall. And one day she caught me outside listening to the music and I was like, can I be in your choir? She's like, come see me after school and auditioned and I was in the choir. So I begged Steve for them to let me in the band and I ended up being in the choir. And gospel music and electronica hip hop were the things that fueled my inspiration. And then I went to my first high school dance at manual and Steve and some of his friends were DJing and they were mixing and cutting and I was the first time I had seen two turntables and a microphone and mixing and cutting. I was like, that's what I want to do. And I went and bought a rickety surewood turntable and had a techniques turntable and commenced to tearing up all those records that I got from Columbia House that I still owed money to. And my friends, you know, I lost a lot of friends when I became a DJ because they wanted me to come outside and play, but I was dedicated to DJing for two years. I really honed in on my DJing skills and come that summer, our band played at Juneteenth. You know, once they let me in the band, I kind of became, it was more of a road manager, right? Who needs, you know, power needs. Guitar strings, Georgia that needs something with her keyboard is if Steve needed drumsticks, whatever, because we all had jobs, but I just made sure that we practiced. I made sure we had what we needed. And I went out and tried to get a show. And we did Juneteenth, which is a big festival, you know, Juneteenth Festival celebrated in Colorado at the five points. And that summer, you know, we would go to the studio and we would make rap records because Steve and Otis, you know, the origin of tag team is called the disco too, which was Steve Gibson and Otis Preston. And I was like, I'll be your DJ. And then it was like, okay, we'll call ourselves the tag team crew. And then Otis, you know, as young men and women grow older, you know, the band disbanded. We stayed together during my freshman year. And my freshman that my freshman summer was the last summer, the band was together. And then Otis went to the army, then it was just me and Steve, and that's when it became tag team. And then I was like, I'll rap. And I spent pretty much all my time in class writing lyrics and got very good at it. And also got introduced to the four track recording studio, task and four track recording studio. For those of you know what that is, back in the day, we used to play cassette tapes. And the four track set tape where you have four tracks to put your music on. And however you have to do it, you used to make songs, but I used to make mega mixes that way, where I have three or four mixes going on at one time. And that was the era of Run DMC, the Beastie Boys. So I was always making mixes, right? And I will sell them in college and I started making songs and I got real good at making songs. And Steve, I sent him my first mix tape about 10 songs, $1,000 in a devil worship. And because I would, I would play the flute, I'd use anything I could, I'd beat on pots and pans, cutting and scratching, yelling, making evil sounds, whatever, right? I was trying to surprise the whole non because that was the Michael Jackson there, right? And some of the songs were good. And Steve was like, whoa, let me get me a four track. So now me and him are throwing mix tapes back and forth. And we got really good at making songs. So we kind of didn't have to go to the studio anymore, because the studio's pressure because you know, we're young men, we don't got a lot of money. You know, we go to the studio, you got four hours to put your records together. We got to do six records in four hours. That just don't work. So your record is not going to be that good. And when you could just sit at home all day and just make a song on the task and do your lyrics over 15 times, you end up having good stuff. And I got graded DJing and got graded rapping. So I could fund it all because I was DJing in clubs. I was DJing at events at college. I was DJing at all the sorority and the frat parties. And we really were on our way. Steve had moved down to Atlanta in '83. I came down a party with him. I was like, I'm going back to finish up school, packing up, moved down to Atlanta. And I could tell you, I wasn't in town a week, and I'll never forget it was the Friday that do the right thing came out, Spike Lee. And after the movie went to Magic City, eighth, one, know the world, don't entertain a club in Atlanta. And the DJ was either drunk, something was wrong, but the girls was complaining, you know, everybody was complaining about the DJ, I was like, shoot, I could DJ. And security was standing by me and heard me and he was like, they're going magic right there. The owner of the club. So I went over to him and said, hey, man, you need a DJ? He's like, no, I'll come see me Monday. Went to see the money's like I don't need a DJ, but I need a cook. I was like, I could show him. So he's like, you beat a cook, and then you beat a backup DJ. So I went upstairs, I think I cooked, I made a salad, cooked two orders of chicken wings because he had hired another lady cook, right? And the daytime DJ was like, hey, man, I got to go run some errands. And he let me on his turntables. And they had no idea that I was that good of a DJ. Plus, I was articulate. I was brand new and he let me DJ the whole day and I made those girls more money than ever made on day shift. And yeah, that Sunday we had a meeting where all the girls will come, management was there and the owner was there. And the girl said, before we start, you know, it was in to go and Nicky, I'll never forget it. It's like magic. We want him. And magic looked to me. He's like, all right, you up. And I have been the head DJ of every club I've been at ever since. And I've been, I probably DJ for 30 years, I stopped in 2015 and me being a DJ where I could play my own music as I made it that day, I could make a song in a day and play it that night. And the girls would be like, what record is that? That's a new record. What's that? Right? And they would love my record, they would love, they would love the records. That we were in the land of booty shape, we were down south, right? Southern base. Southern base. So, you know, when the Romans got to act like the Romans, Steve would say, man, we're going to ever get out of here. We got to do something of tempo, we got to do base. Steve's like, man, I love that stuff, but I can't make that stuff, man. I was like, don't think about it like that. I said, think Planet Rock, Egyptian love of the records that we love, right? Because we're not from the south, we're from Denver, right? So, and my influences, you know, when I got to college, I would order records from all over the country, you know, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby G. from San Francisco, 12-inch dance records, DC, New York record store. So, I was, I had the pulse of every genre of music growing up, um, college on out. I had all the white labels, 'cause back then, you know, anything that came out under New York was on a white label first because they would press up a thousand copies just to see if it was going to do something, you know, the artists or some DJ would like it and they'd press up their own and sell them in the record store. So, it was a white. So, I got white labels every Friday, and I remember I would get MC Chan, I would get Boogie Down Bronx, I would get Jazzy Jeff, the Fresh Prince, girls and nothing but the world of trouble. That was a hip-hop record. That was one of the biggest in New York before it. They even got a deal, right? But they were from Philly. Nobody knew they were from Philly 'cause it was a white label in New York. Wow. About hip-hop back then, right? So, I get all these records, I get to hear all the battles between Roxanne, Chante, and Bill Roxanne and all the different Roxanne's and I get to, you know, um, um, MC Chan, the bridge, all the, all the Queens rappers to all the Bronx rappers to all the Brooklyn rappers to all the Harlem, all of them had white labels. And, you know, I'm down south now, and our first attempt at an up-temple record was Won't There It Is, and it just happened. It wasn't meant to be, you know, it wasn't the Manhattan Project where we were just, "Hey, man, this is how we're gonna do this and we're gonna put these lyrics like this and we're gonna," it was, it was, it was a party record. And Won't There It Is, the phrase was just a party anthem in the, in the, in the clubs, starting, right? So it was just natural and the theme of that song is every young man's theme across genres of music, from blues to rock and roll to hip-hop to country. It's about young men chasing women on a Friday night trying to get some drinking and having a good time. Right? And I'll never forget it. The first time we recorded it on a Thursday and had it on a cassette, went to, went to work, set up everything, popped that cassette in, and to this day, I've never had a bigger response on any record, and I've been DJing for 30-some years. And I knew I had something, but my hubris as a young man, well, I'm the bomb. The record I do is going to be the bomb. You know, I'm the, I'm the greatest I've ever lived, right? I'm thinking that. So I don't really play it that much, but then maybe three months later, I played it, and a record rep was in the club, Mr. Allen Cole from Columbia Records, and he was like, "What is that?" And I was like, "That's from New Record Dog." He was like, "Gimme that. I'm going up to New York. I want to let them hear this, because if you're down south, you know all the bass records, New York, in fact, there was only two record labels, I mean, two record hubs, New York and LA. So they're kind of in their own bubble. So if a rep from a different region saying, "Man, there's a record down here hot in the streets, man. You better get it." They're like, "Well, we don't know if we want to do this, do this," and that's the kind of attitude they had. They loved the record, but they didn't know what to do with it. And I did that with every label. So every label is loving the record, but they don't want to do nothing. And I almost gave up and a young lady named Lisa McCall, it's like you need to talk to Al Bell. There's an old know who Al Bell is. In the beginning of soul music, there were three record labels, Billy International, Motown Berry Gordy, Stacks Records with Al Bell. And Al Bell had a new record company called Bellmark. And the year before, he had put out Deuce, which was the biggest record of the year. One of the biggest records of the year, and Daisy Dukes, called Daisy Dukes, right? It went gold. I was like, "Shh. I'll take gold." So he called me back about two weeks, and I was like, "Mr. Bell, I'm not going front. We got a hit record. You need to sign us right now before we lose this record." He was like, "Okay." I was like, "Man, don't play with me. You ain't even heard the record." Hey, that's what I was like, "Dude, why are you playing with my emotions?" Right? Actually. But he was like, "No, no, no, no, he's like, "Brother, I don't have to hear the record. I hear it in your spirit. Let's agree to agree. Get this thing moving." So I gave my two weeks at Magic City, signed a messed up record deal, and in a month and a half, tag team was platinum, and the rest is history. What a story, honestly, just like that in the very first one. Born out of confidence, yeah. Or luck, or hard work. There's a lot of factors that went into it. You look back on it, you see how it happened, right? Like Ed Love was a great friend of mine. He still is a good friend of mine, right? I mean, see, the beauty of working at Magic City is that everybody came to me, right? Because it was the biggest strip club in the country for African, for black people, right? So I knew all the rappers before I even made it. I knew all the athletes before I even made it. Deon Sanders, Dominique Wilkins, all the Falcons, all the Braves, anybody that came to that city, they knew who I was because I was a DJ at Magic City. So I had a lot of allies, and Ed had heard that, he was like, "What is that?" I was like, "That's my new record money." He was like, "Dawg, you got to give me that now." And I was like, "Here you go. I gave him a cassette." He's like, "Man, I can't do no damn cassette. I need vinyl." I was like, "I got you." So two weeks after I left Magic City, I met him back down there, got him his vinyl. That Monday, during the biggest, greatest rap show ever, which is Yo-MTV raps, they played Wound There It Is instrumental the entire show. And everybody wanted to know what the hell that beat was, and it was off to the races. The local radio DJ, they didn't even play rap music down here in Atlanta. But so many calls came in for Wound There It Is, they had to throw it into rotation, right? The Bulls had won their third championship. By the day, there was only two cable stations. There was TBS, that's why everybody loves the Braves, and WGN Chicago, that's why everybody loves the Cubs. And the Bulls are in Grant Park, I'm sitting on my couch, the Bulls are in Grant Park, half a million people in all of them are chanting Wound There It Is. And we were, I mean, we, we were touring instantly. Everything was instantly. And you know, people asked, well, how was it, I was like, it was nothing, because I was already kind of a star, because I was a DJ. So I got to my head, because I never wanted to start, I'm part of it, right? I wanted, it was, it was a hard journey, you know, it has been a hard journey ever since. It still is a hard journey. I mean, how many artists can you name can still tour with just one song? There's not a lot. We tour with one song, right? And it works. And then every year, it's in a commercial. Every year, it's in, you know, we do halftime shows. Every year, we do something that keeps it alive. Now that now solidified in music, you know, legend, right? Yeah, it's a sport, it's a sporting anthem. And every, every new generation knows the song as well. The kids are all dancing to it. Exactly. And it has stood. And we, you know, then the Geico commercial comes and now it's just where it's the South of Park is brand new again, just slowing down from that Geico commercial. It's been a good five year run almost. And people love that commercial so much, we got to perform it and it makes me cringe. Every time I have to perform it, proud of it because, you know, I'm proud of that commercial because I am an actor. And because I'm an actor, I'm prepared. And because I prepared, that's why the commercial, all the things I want to do are in that commercial. So I imprinted on that commercial. And that's what it's about, right? Work hard. You study. You know, I'm all about learning now, but I, I love to learn so much. I'm into AI, I, I refuse to let life pass me by. So all the things that I have learned have come from necessity, either you can become an old bill rapper or you can learn how to navigate this music industry with the one song you have. So you keep working the record in essence, everything that you go through. So I became my own paralegal. I became my own financial advisor. I became my own publicist. I learned voiceover. I learned how to act. I learned how to get shows. I became my own booking agent. I've become everything because out of necessity, I had to, right? And I think that is the greatest gift that I've been given is the ability to figure it out and flourish, you know, right? Hard work must be really satisfying, though, in the end. Once you've, you know, you don't let things get stale, you just continue to find out. It's satisfying, but it never stops because it's always something. Now we're at microwave speed. See, back in the day, as you put it in the, you know, it was crockpot speed, you had time, right? There was a song of the summer. That song of the summer probably lasted three or four years, two or three. Now songs don't last two or three weeks, right, unless the person is visible and touring out there and doing all the things and is in the news a lot, but, you know, we, I have come up, you know, I'm really big just in the business and marketing and all the things that have to be done to getting from the people who can pay me. That's the key. So I'm in 30 different organizations. I go to conferences all year, I'm a motivational speaker, I do all these things. I do a million podcasts every year because this are so many different purposes, right? I'm practicing articulation. I'm, I, I do podcasts from the biggest to the smallest because it's about a conversation and storytelling with the person across from you. And I've been doing this for almost 10 years. And people were telling me, you should do a podcast back when YouTube came out. I was like pocket me doing a podcast is not for me because I'm too busy, but I can still get the same, you know, effect from the podcast being an expert guest and helping people and showing people that, you know, it's never too late in teaching people what I know because that's all I can do is, you know, people like, well, why don't you get a course? Why don't you do it? Like the best way for me to articulate what I've learned is through podcast because I let everybody know that there is a way as long as you're breathing. There's nothing on this earth. You can't do period to apply yourself and you will make it happen and that's a part of it. Learn how to learn. It's not enough just to learn. You've got to learn how to learn. That's where everybody misses the boat, right? Like social media, everybody thinks they got to do social media, everybody's websites are important. I'm always like, you don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, but I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying there's other ways to achieve things. It's important because most people do social media. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. Right? You're a carpet bomb and you're just a one fish in a seat, right? You know, find where the people are that can pay you. How I do that is through SEO, search engine optimization, the ability to know where people are at and then target them. So I don't need a hundred thousand people to like me. I just need a hundred people to pay me. Right? I don't like that. Think about it. That's being strategic. So instead of me trying to just social media, social media, social media and trying to go viral, well, I can go into SEMrush or go into Google keyword planner or any of the Google keyword, any of the keyword tools out there and say, hey, let me start answering questions. If somebody says, well, how do I do ABC? Well, let me see how I meet with that ranks for how did I do, hey, there's 25,000 people that search for that every month. So now if I optimize a blog post, how to do ABC and on social media, every post that I do for the next week or two is how to do ABC on every platform, well, now when somebody gets up and they type in how do I do ABC, they're going to see the blog posts, they're going to see the TikTok and the TikTok carousel, they're going to see the YouTube and the YouTube carousel, they're going to see the X and the X carousel, they're going to see the knowledge panel with all that information on it. It is about how you strategically place yourself in front of the people to answer that question and then you can give them answers and solutions and your solutions might be in the form of shooting somewhere else where they can solve their problem where you get a piece of that because you're doing the marketing for that company or you have your problem, right? It's just a different way. I don't knock people for doing social media because when you're young and you want to do stupid stuff and you want to do whatever to get where you want to be, knock yourself out. When my ass is old, I ain't about to do all that, I had to come up with another way. I had to come up with a different way, right? So now that I've come up with a different way, I can teach it to everybody. So people who are like-minded like me and in my lane know that they don't have to do what these young kids do and they look like they looking crazy, you know what I'm saying? All these old women out, all these old broads out here looking crazy trying to do all this young girl stuff and all these old dudes is looking crazy trying to do all this young man stuff. When you can do what they don't understand is that we have something nobody else has, experience, the lessons of your experiences and you teach them to the people who don't know in the place that they're at. When you teach it to them where they're at, they're more conducive to it and now they get those nuggets, you know, it's just a way of thinking. I'm always telling people, you have to find the positive in the negative, that's where the nuggets are, right? So you have it take, now not go front, it is all easier said than done, but over years you acquire these skills and you see things differently. So that helps you to diffuse a situation, that helps you to come up with solutions, that helps you to do, that helps you to thrive. And for me, my life is full of extreme highs and back to realities, right? It's not really no lows because I've been blessed, but the back to reality is something because you come up, if you can't turn it into something else to turn it into more, it's difficult, right? And sometimes life don't do, life is baked in a cake, so life don't do you that way. But I've been successful, I live a good life and I'm still striving to be better. Be better to, you know, be better today than I was, you know, better than a man I was yesterday. That's all I can do. All I have control over is what I do. That's it. That's it. And how you react to things. Yeah. And I've acquired the ability to not to react, you know, if I don't react, I've been able to take all the emotions, hate envy, despair, loathing, jealousy. And that's a question. You got to, you got to sequester your pride, kill your ego, right? And once you do that and don't react to things, it sounded like you know, now, now your mind is truly open to accept everything that's out there, right? If somebody criticizes me or a cynical tort or anything, I say, and I don't get emotional about it. I'm like, well, you don't even know what the hell you're talking about. Not my mind. I'm saying that. What? I'm not reaction. I'm thinking the first thing I say is, okay, what if what they're saying about you is right? What would you do about it? Not about whether you right or wrong. What if they were right? What would you do about it? And there's a lot of people who don't think that way. But that's the gift. Yeah. Do about is that now you've come up with a solution to a problem that hasn't even started yet. You can put it in your pocket to use for later, right? Man, DC, you ain't, you don't do this, do that, do that. Well, you don't know what the hell you talked about, but what if I was like that? How would I combat that and not be that person? Okay, I'll be better. I don't argue. It's like, okay, right, I'll be, I'll do better. I could do better, right? And to me, that's just easier inside. I'm dying. I'm like, ah, but you don't know every emotion, it's they're all there, but you keep it inside and you realize that give it five minutes and it's gone and you're grateful that you've got a solution for it. You do that over and over and over and over and over again. There's not too much that could shake you as far as frivolous things that we go through in everyday life. And I learned from just watching people on social media, how they just throw their live. You could tell what a person's thinking on social media. And they don't even know that you could tell. It's horrible. It's like you're trying to, you're, you're putting your, you're showing your cars to the world. Why? Right? And usually it's because people, it's the same thing whereby it wants to be a star. People want attention. If you didn't get the attention that you want, when you was young or whatever, I can't even put it up to that. People just, people want, I want attention. It's always having attention, so they can't imagine it any other way. Yeah. And I can have attention if I want to have attention, but I don't because I like being able to live my life. If I walk down the street, don't nobody know who I am unless I want them to know who I am. Right? All I gotta do is walk, walk in a room and go party people or sprinkles or woop, there it is. And they will know. But if I, I get to meet everybody in the room and they're like, wow, who is, who is this player? Oh, I like him. Who is this outstanding young man? Who is this guy? And that's why I do a conferences, nobody knows why I'm at these conferences. And I go get this knowledge because organizations, societies or associations are filled with people who love their profession and they've been doing it 10, 20, 30, 40 years. And they are there to improve their profession and they can't wait to teach you. They can't wait to give you your knowledge because we're in a safe place. We're not a place where they've already done it. Why are they going, why are they going to hate on the young folks? Right? Why are they going to hold on to their, unless they're selling the course or they're trying to sell their stuff or sell, you know, sell, sell the teaching, right? But when you're at a conference, everybody's talking and I let the conversation naturally go to, whoa, what else do you do? Well, kind of back in the day, I made a song in 93 called, there it is, so I'm constantly touring, I'm just tired and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is, no, really? I was like, look, I know you're going to go look when we leave and you're going to see this face with long black pretty hair. I said, yeah, did that back in the day, but see what I realized is that that's the icing on the cake. If they can't accept me for my character first, then what else is, you know, I can't walk in and talk about I'm this, they're like, okay, yeah, he's kind of arrogant. I like how you said that, like just get to know people and then, well, by the way, back then this thing happened and it's like, yeah, but you let them lead to it, right? Or, and then I've gotten so good, well, I can lead them to it. It's like, you know, so what you got going the rest of the day, well, I got a I'm only going to be here for a couple days, I got to get back out on the road. They'd be like, I'm on the road, okay, so, okay, I got to, I didn't tell you this before, but let me tell you to you now, right, like, there's always a way to parlay it in, but I never start with it because, you know why, because I've been in the club so long. I used to watch stars, I used to watch the stars come in, I used to watch the dope boys come in and I used to watch them treat women, see, I just watched how they treat women and the dude that got all the money is, you know, he's arrogant, he's like, you don't know who I am? Better ask about me. And I would see what people don't understand is that I've had 30 years of strip club stripper dressing room knowledge to different type of knowledge on women that dress, because you're in a, I'm in a dress room with 100 women and I'm just soaking it all up. I'm learning what not to do, right, not what to do, what not to do. And they hate that more than anything, you know, I am, no, I don't know you are, even if they do know you are. So I never, I never, I never approached a woman or a person, I never approached a person with that because nobody cares. And that's what I realized to is like, one, don't nobody, oh, you're nothing. Two, ain't nobody gonna do nothing for you. Three, don't nobody care once you realize all that you're, you're, oh, you're free. You're free is a person because you don't expect things, right? I don't think anybody to do anything for me. I don't blame anybody for anything. I don't blame society for anything because if somebody, if another black man who go out there and get a billion dollars, I can go out and get a billion dollars. And with all the obstacles they put in our way, obstacles can be overcome. They over obstacles. Why can't I? No matter what, there's going to be obstacles. It might be just, it might be because you're black, it might be because you're fat, it might be because you're tall, it might be because you're short, it might be because you look like somebody's ex-husband. You don't know, all you do is educate yourself to put in the work and you move in silence. And you, you, you campaign and you meet people who trust you. And if they see that you want to put in the work and you want to work hard, they're going to look, they're going to do something for you. But I don't expect anybody to do anything for me. And if I do ask somebody to do something for me because it's hard for me to ask for help, I say please. In this word, in English language, please, I need some help. You know, what's it going to cost me, man, please, I need some help. No, man. I can never charge you. And I ask people, why did you help me? Why you teach me this? I say because you didn't come with any ulterior motives, you didn't come. You weren't, they call what they call it, Clint Butler, he said, don't be an ask hole. All you do is ask questions, you're just an ask hole, right? a whole of questions, but you never offer anything. You just ask all these questions and that's it. And I always remember that. It's just like, if I need something, you can knock them cards out when you need them, because people are more than willing to help you when they see that you come up and you flourish because of it, right? Then they get to tell that big fish story, how I help DC for tag team do this. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right? So knowing how people work, and that's what the one thing that the club had taught me is that I have a front row seat to humanity. And if I'm in the DJ booth, I get this. My thing is to see how people react. If I'm not a good DJ, they don't dance all night. That's why our shows are energy. Our shows are just energy, because when I'm up there on that stage, I'm DJing. We got one song, but I could do a 45 minute show because I'm entertaining. I know what to do. I can DJ without having turntables up there, right? I know this is experience coming into play. There's no way that we're on tour with Toneloke and Vanilla Ice and Rob Bass and CNC Music Factory, Kid and Play, Tretch, Salt and Pepper. We are all family, right? And I am very grateful because it is amazing that here's the most amazing part for me as being a member of tag team is when I'm at a show with my colleagues and I'll mark my grad from Sugar Ray, I'll be like, man, I remember you were one of the first CDs I got. My mom bought me a CD and a, and a Walkman. And I just couldn't believe, I just couldn't believe you guys' music and you kind of changed my life forever. And I'm just like, he says, "honored to be on stage with you." I'm like, dude, you're Sugar Ray, what are you talking about, right? Like it is so difficult to, and then we all get to tell each other our stories of each other's songs. I got to get to tell Toneloke, the first wild thing I was on a roof were some white folks, Sun Tannin, in college. And it came on the radio, this is brand new, came out today, Toneloke, wild thing, I was like, good God, that's an incredible record. That's what makes it special because I was a fan of theirs and they're a fan of mine, and then they see how hard I worked and I try to help everybody and they see that, you know, we have a serious resilience. And, you know, I take advantage of every situation that comes my way, right? Like most times, I don't care where we go in the lineup. If we go first cool, take on know that we start at the party. Like there's got to be a party starter, so why not in break? Right, but then we get to go first and then we get to get the hell on. So there's like digital underground got a running joke. Yeah, man, because everybody comes and like, where tag team goes, like, man, they had to go to the next city of the helicopter, came down and picked them up to the airport. Right? Like, it's just, it's just fun. I get to meet, right? And then come back to the grown up stuff in the week, which is, you know, SEO, you know, learning how to code, learning these language models, learning AI, being on the forefront and speaking about it, acting, going through scripts, trying to become something greater. That's my life. And like I said, you can do whatever you want to do, but I give it, I give the game all day, but you might have put in the work eventually. And most people aren't really, they're not ready. They're not willing to put in the work. Everybody asked me, put me on DC. They call my, I get three, four calls a day, because then my company is a CLG investment scene. And I'm an entertainment company. But people are like, hey, I want to sing for you. Just put me on, I was like, I don't do that. It's like, but why? I just want to, no, I don't do that. But I will try to help you. He said, send me your email address. I'm going to send you a folder. And then that folder is every book, every video, every course on the music, every part of the music industry. That's it. Soak that up for a month. Call me back. We have a conversation. Nobody ever calls me back. But I don't waste my time, right? You know, these aren't the right people to work with, because they don't want to put in the work. And I'm not going to work with them anyway, but I still want to get people to education. Because if they do look at their education and come back and say, I did, I don't understand it, then I can explain it to them, then we can go to the next phase. The next phase is join this organization. Because if you want to be a songwriter, this is where all the songwriters are, you join that songwriting organization, you go to the convention. And now you get, you get to talk to some of the greatest songwriters that ever live and they will take you under their wing and they will teach you. Instead of you having to look through every book and try to figure it out on your own and bump your head and all that, you have to do that anyway. But if you can have, you can be taught by one of the mentors in your game and I've got tons of them. They have taught me the game. And they tell me, you don't need me, because they got that old school way. But see, I've got this new way that's ever evolving. So I can take the old student tactics and put it with the new and come up with something totally different, but it's just hard to get to everything because everybody's not me. Everybody's not willing to put in the, I want it to be hard. You know why? Because I know everybody else ain't going even attempt to do it. Challenge is good. And I know that it's going to be so hard and it tears you up, but then all of a sudden you achieve your goal and then you can laugh about it. It's almost like you never went through all that heartache and pain. [Music] Hi. 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Thank you for your support. Peace. [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] Do you find it frustrating when people complain about, oh, the way things are now, there's no good. Back in my day, this is how we did things. Do you find that frustrating that they're not willing to open their minds to new concepts? Nah, you're used to, but I just understand that everybody ain't me, right? If you pissed off at everybody because they don't want one, they don't support you, they don't have your back, they always being negative about you, that's part of not reacting. What if the people that hate on you the most are the people that love you the most? What do you do? Gotta do something, better figure it out because you love those people, right? So why not turn that negativity into the positive part about it, right? That's the perfect opportunity to say, you know what, you're right. What would I do about it? What am I gonna do about it, right? And here's the beauty of all of that because I've been blessed to see it time and time and time and time again. When you achieve your goal, they have to look you in your eye and you don't have to say a word, not to say anything. It's there. You feel it. You're like, man, he actually did what he said, they used to laugh at me without ourselves, the DJ, they used to laugh at me when I said I was gonna be a rap artist. He used to laugh at me. Everybody's always laughing at me. They laugh at me now. People look at me like, huh? And I'm like, you don't understand that I'm willing to put it all on my back because the only way I get what I want is if everybody else get what they want and I'm not gonna let them stop me from getting what I want. So if I gotta work four or five times harder because they don't want to, hey, put it on my back, we can be rolling. Let's go. Because eventually, I'm the one that's gonna get it all. But I can't let nobody stop me, right? And when you ask me that, that's a form of letting people stop you when you're thinking about what other people are saying and getting frustrated. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't. One thing I realized is that you can't hate on the young for being young because youth is wasted on the young. It's inevitable. That's baked in the cake. Right? Youth is wasted on the young. So why are you mad about it? And I don't listen to music. And people are like, you want them old school hating dudes. I was like, no, I'm too busy to listen to music. I said, I don't knock nothing y'all doing because it's your time. It's what y'all do. Right? But I can't listen to it because I don't understand it one and two, I'm older. The things that you used to love, you hate. It's amazing. I was like, I'm going ball forever. So I got to be like 40 something. I was like, man, I can't believe. Man, I'm always going to roll in a strip club. What? The thought of giving a woman my heart or money, just to give her money, because she's in a strip club. No, don't make no sense. And I can have it like that, but that's how you don't have it like that real quickly. Right? So you have to be mature and you have to be grown about it. Now, I can honestly say my success isn't where I wanted to be, right? But I've had to fight tooth and nail every step of the way for what I got. And I don't mind that because everybody's past is different. But I've led a good life. You know, the first thing that I'm forever grateful for that I had that I've known most people have had my parents. I watched my parents roll. I watched my parents never argue. I watched my parents raise two sons and give them everything they could give them. And I watched my parents work they ass off and make their kids work they ass off. I had to shovel snow and break leaves and cut the grass and cut the hedges and wash the windows and wash the clothes and cook. And I'm so grateful because as a grown man, I have never not known work. So work is nothing to me. Hey, man, gotta go to work. Let's go. So you get that healthy respect, right? You get that healthy respect for what hard work means. It's second nature to me. I can't even look at it as hard work. It just has to be done. Yeah. And that's the difference. It's like, like, I'm I'm crashing a buck on the gym today, but I know I'm going to go because I got to be done. Yeah. So, you know, I build lists. I write down everything because when I get you get stuck sometimes, so you need to you need to know what needs to be done. And when I get stuck, I go to the top of that list and whatever's not done, start with one thing. Next thing you know, that whole list is done because that's the discipline that you concoct for yourself, right? And you get things done because I'm doing 10 things and I just can't possibly do them all and get some help by some people with people over promising under the liver. And if I don't know, I don't know if they are doing what they're supposed to do or not. There's nothing like paying somebody $5,000 of stuff they say they can do and then they don't do it. Well, it's like you said earlier, you're the only person you have control of. Exactly. So let me learn it. And I can teach it to my people. My people know how I like to do it. Now we rolling, you know, it's called I build SOP standard operating procedures all day for my company. And I wish, you know, I got 100 more to go, right? But I have to learn about it to do it because I have to take advantage of all the automated things, all this AI and all this stuff to to whittle down that time. So now things are automated, right? And learning new things and learning how people make all this money and seeing it, I can see the paths, but you got to pick one, right? And for me, I love doing the show. I love touring. So it's like I have to make myself viable. I have to, I'm in all the concert or organization. So everybody in the concert industry knows who I am because they see me at all the conferences. They know that we do shows. So that's one round of people. Now I have to do it again because people leave jobs, people do different things. And now you got new people in new situations. So you kind of got to reinvent yourself again over and over and over and over. And then you go through the second, you know, the third round, the fourth round. And as long as I can entertain people and make people who call the response and dance and smile and look back at me and seeing when there it is, I know I'm going to make some money. Always. So from a creative aspect, when you think about the catalog of music that you've created, is there an album track that you wish would have been a single? And what would it have been? I can't even go there because when there it is just too big. Yeah. That's, that's, you know, it's a blessing. And I'm never going to say it's a curse, but there's that's a blessing in the challenge. Is that when there it is so big, nothing we could have ever done would have. It's just, if I had to do it over again, I would have made all bass songs. It would have been all up-tempo songs, party songs, right? Every song wouldn't have sounded the same, but every song would have been up-tempo. Because we came from Denver. I went to school with SAC. I was influenced by hip-hop and Denver, then influenced by West Coast hip-hop and going to SAC State for Bay Area hip-hop. I knew Hammer too short. Everybody way back then. All right, go down to LA. I was with J. King Records, right? Timex Social Club. I knew all these people because we all grew up together, right? Back in the day when I was in college, come down to Atlanta and I'm in booty shake. So I naturally wanted to be the person who could be Amadextrous in the music industry. We could do hip-hop, we could do bass, we could do West Coast, we could do whatever, don't work like that. So everybody wanted to hear another one there it is for us and it's just what's not going to happen. Just like I know that there'll never be a better Geico commercial, right? There'll never be a better that's just going to be difficult to do because that commercial was so big, so special that me trying to, you know, me trying to attempt to do another one, I'll do another commercial. But I'm saying something, you know, right after we were thinking about we need to do this, we need to hit the iron while it's hard. It was like, no, because you could wreck yourself doing that. And I've seen tons of people do that, right? So just from overkill? Just from the overkill? Not from the over saturation? Not from the overkill. See, saturation is good and overkill is good when you've got one of the best Geico commercials in history. And everywhere you go, people are saying, my father had cancer and you really kept him alive during the pandemic with that commercial. He's saying that commercial every day. I've got I've got a million TikToks and that's what TikTok was new. I've got a million TikToks of people dancing that commercial, dogs trying to sing that commercial, dogs shaking, they be little kids that burn like the magic that that thing spawned. I recognized it because it was what happened with one. There it is. It is day. Everybody got a one. There it is memory and a one. There it is story. It's nostalgia. So now, you know, why am I going to mess with that? Because I had like five, six Geico commercials in a hole because I infiltrated that marketing agency and learned the game. And it was like, oh, okay. Now I know how to do a pitch, but then I do commercials anyway. So I get the scripts and the pictures for the commercials. So I know how to audition for those commercials. Right. I don't want to do all that stuff. So I understand where I'm at. And that's not to say I'm not going to try and not, you know, right now it's more about TV appearances. Like I'm working on dance with the star. We just did the math singer not too long ago. Right. Nice. So those are lucrative because you get two types of money. You get your your check check and then you get your residuals and you get sacked. Right. You get you get money from more places when you do a TV appearance. Don't have to be dancing, but we can have a 90s night on dancing with the stars and we we be the entertainment. Like I could have done the WNBA halftime show. Yes. We do have time. We just did the Western Conference finals play off some Minnesota. Exactly. But because I know SEO, I get to write a blog post about her do a press release about it to make it news. Yeah. And that keeps us relevant. See, if you don't know all that stuff, you're just doing things. Yeah. But if you can, but once that sticks, people see that and you plant those seeds throughout history and over time, somebody is going to stumble across tag team and wonder what they're doing. And then you always can be relevant because people are going to read about you. That's why website is important. And the fact that you're in control of that narrative. Yes. You don't have to have other people who are just second, third, you know, away from the situation talking about you. You're telling it yourself. Yeah. And I can always get interviewed. I just did a sports illustrator interview on stadium Matthews, because the guy sports illustrators wondering why is they not like us so big in the stadiums? Let me ask tag team because they got proud to ultimate stadium song. And we did a whole sports illustrated article, right? And now I get to impose my will. Now I get to story tell. Now I get to give these anecdotal things that when people read it, I didn't know tag team was that they're on three different tours. Wow. They're doing two cruise ships. What? They're trying to do the World Cup. Oh my gosh. Okay. Hey, right. Brilliant. So you have to it's all hustle. It's all hustle. And that's what I'm good at. Always have been, always will be. When you were referring to TV, there was one question I did have wanted to ask about the Arsenio Hall show. At the time you were on their facing off for charity in the friendly competition with 95 South. Mm hmm. Yeah. Because I was always wondering, why was there a woot? There it is. That was like, there were like three records before we, anybody had the one there is records. It was a party scene. So everybody records at the same time. But we, we, we had the record company that went, oh, you know, because of my connections, because we had the record company who knew how to work it in the record industry. We were all over the country. And we were the ones that prevailed, right? Because ours wasn't truly like a, a down South record. It was more like, it was more the old school planet rock type stuff, right? It was party record. It was more universal, right? So that sometimes works, but a lot of people didn't like it because it wasn't country enough, right? I'll take the rest of the country and then people love to still love us in the South and they still do, but it's like, we've had to prove, we had to prove ourselves over and over and over again. Like, sometimes we get in front of audiences, everybody's looking at us like, what? And then halfway through, they remember because I don't react to the crowd. I go in and go a hundred percent, but I guess a hundred thousand people in the, in the place. It could be a hundred people in it. I'm, I'm performing like it's a hundred thousand. I don't care because we do stadiums. We do a reading, arenas. We do everything, but I'm not going to let a small crowd, I think we haven't had a small crowd in probably six, seven years. You know, every, every crowd we do is going to be at least two, three thousand when it's an arena. And we doing, you know, it's a theater, then we do casinos. That's going to be two to three thousand. And then we do arenas. That's going to be 15 to 20,000. Then we do stadiums. That's 60 plus. Yeah. Actually, we did Philadelphia Eagles half time on the Kelly Green Jersey night. I get to write about that. We did half time for the San Antonio Spurs when they did the end, we performed at the game that broke the record for NBA attendance in one game because they filled the Alamo dome. Wow. I get to write about that. You see what I'm saying? I get to, I get to sprinkle all these things throughout history. So when people might want to look at tag team, they see all the things that we've done, right? And, you know, that's what, that's why chat GBT is so wonderful because now I was struggling to have people interview me, right? Now I could just push this button and say, okay, with this information I've just given you, interview me. I did one today, I was like, is tag team a band? That has the most, that's the one question everybody asked. You know how like people also ask those questions when you're searching, that's one of them. And that's why I gave such a great story at the beginning when you asked me who were your musical influences when you grew up because the band was it. It just be the Prince and did Michael Jackson songs and all that stuff like that, right? So now I did that just driving and got probably a 2000 page article. Now I get to summarize it, whittle it down to a great article and now it's etched in stone. Is tag team a band? Yes. In a sense. Then you tell the story because telling's way better than information stuff, right? You tell a great story, people, it's a campfire and that's about to bring to every podcast. I do every interview I do, I try to tell a story and it does me well. So it's fascinating and super inspiring because now I want to learn all about these new things that you told me today. Yeah, but that's the thing you can't let life and that's the thing you say when people get I don't want to learn that new. I don't want to, well, I watched my father do that. Father was my father. I got a doctor degree PhD Dean at University of Colorado and he retired. He's like, I don't need to learn about no damn computer. I got you. And I was like, man, you got to learn. And then the iPhone came out. He's like, I want an iPhone. I was like, well, you don't know how to use a computer. You really going to be messed up on an iPhone. And I know he would have been here another 10 years if he had to learn how to use a computer correctly because he could have got advice. He could have found things he could have studied. He could have done all kinds of stuff because information changed when from analog to digital, right? Watch that happen. Now he led a great life and he lived his life and he was ready to go. But I don't ever want to be that person where I'm like, I don't need to learn that. I did that back in the day when vinyl switched to CDJs when techniques went to CDJs. I was like, I'll never DJ with no damn CDs. All these little young DJs is fighting for just buying for my job. And they're like, well, and owners is like, why we got turntails and all the other young DJs is using these CDs and I had to hurry up and figure it out real quick. All the lost money. And I about I will never do that again. I will never take anything new or granted because just because it's new. I don't I do not fear the future, right? Most people fear the future. Most people think AI is the devil. I remember back in the day when this I was on some customer service call and they was like, I don't even like computers. Computers is the devil. I'm like, all right. Where are you at now? You know what I'm saying? It's like everything, you know, people said that when they used to ride a horse and now you got a car, right? People used to say that and when you drive across country, now you got a plane. I don't need no plane. I got this car. There was even a time where Prince thought the internet was a fad. Yeah, man. I think he changed his tune though. You have to. But sometimes it's too late and that learning curve is too hard. So it's what I anything that comes out crypto all of it. I'm on it, right? If it folds, it folds because there's other investments, there's other things to do. It's not just one thing. But everybody puts all the eggs in one basket. Can't do that, right? So you have to learn about so many thought today. I downloaded courses for five or six different things. I'm learning to do make automation, which is being able to automate all these tasks that you have to just be able to give to somebody be like, push that button and this will do that. Make me 10 of these. I do that with prompts with AI. So if I need to do a blog article, I can have the steps that write me the most most effective article. Most people just write me an article about this. It's going to come back crap. Even if you do it right, it's going to come back 80% of the way there. You got to put that human touch to it. You only you know what it's supposed to be like. And that's why you have to. That's why I had to learn SEO. That's why I had to learn all this digital marketing stuff because this is business. Can't live without it. You can't hope to get lucky. You got to create your own luck. Mm hmm. And I've learned it and I'm now masterful at it. And I just appreciate that gift that was given to me that, you know, I don't quit. I play offense. They call me DC, the brain supreme for a reason. Yeah, yeah. And I'm getting old. I just got to keep that muscle working because I don't I know what's coming. You know what I mean? I know what's coming. And don't think like that, man. We just got a great example today. But why you got to think like that? Well, our president is like, yo, can't do it, y'all. Yeah. Now he thought he could do it. But he's like, you ain't looking at what we looking at. Yeah. You are not looking at what we looking at. And you can't make me see see nothing different. And you can't make me think that it's going to get better because I have parents. I have parents. I still have my mother. She got Alzheimer's. I know what's about to happen. It don't get no better. It don't get no better. And that's all that's fine. That's life. It's a part of life, right? I feel lucky to even be in a situation I'm in because a lot of my friends didn't even make it out. They 20 or 30s. And when they got to make it out because of heart attacks and the bottom 50s because they didn't go to get colonoscopies and don't go to the doctor, right? And I learned from other people's mistakes. I've always that is what is always I've always been good at. And I could be stubborn. But like, I mean, last I was a doctor a couple months ago. And she was like, well, you know, I want to put you on this. I was like, I don't need that. And I was like, Shut up. The dog. I was like, you know what? Whatever you want me to do, let's go. Right? I'm going buck on you, but and I've always been like that. I might I might resist, but I'm going to listen. And I'm going to quit because you you looking out for him. And he who has an expert in their field. And he will has a doctor for himself as a fool for doctor. I was going to ask you, um, because I'm up in Canada and have you have you made the trip up to Canada before in the past? In Toronto, Toronto. We did Toronto Raptors twice, half time. Did you? Yep. So get up there from time to time. And you mostly is like across the river. You know what I mean? Yeah, on the lake somewhere. You know what I mean? Yeah, trying to get up to like Windsor, maybe like across from Detroit stuff like that. And then, but then, you know, there's sometimes where it's a hockey team that takes Moon. There it is and just runs with it. And that's the season thing. And we try to get up there for that. But it just, you know, that's one thing I'm a congregate is the hockey, but I'm working on it because I'm working on, you know, I'm thinking different. I'm putting together logistics maps to teach people how to hire us. You know, you got teach people how to get my people, people might not know how to put on the show. But then I have to learn what are their economic factors for them to even put on the show? What are they trying to get back? I learned that through casinos, casinos, they do a concert because they want people to come from far and ride in the region to have a good time. And then they're going to dump out, they want to drink them, they give them free alcohol, but then they dump out of that concert and they go and they gamble. Yeah. That's how you know, if you were effective or not as a console, when you get those numbers back, those are numbers that you could put in your pitch to give to other casinos. I can do a meet and greet before we can do radio station stuff before. I could sit down and we can spend a half hour with the fans and gamble with them. We can do all kinds of stuff. Right? That makes it look good. But when you tell people in business stuff like that, they're like, nobody's ever told me that, especially hard. Because I talked to all the, I talked to everybody and our things, we want to be one less thing you have to worry about. So, they know my professionalism. They know that I'm on point and they know they're going to get the best out of tag team. Even if there's no prima donna is there's none of that. It's everything is practical. What can I do to help you achieve your goals? It's never about me. Never. And I've been successful thinking that way. So, I've learned a lot today. I have. And I thank you. I love doing these, right? Now, I'm busy. It's hard. It's like, people get a little frustrated sometimes. I was like, you don't know my life. But I always, I always do. If I say I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it. And Sunday is the best day to do it. Because Sunday is the day I really did not try to do anything. But I'm going to do something anyway, because I got it. That's right. But thank you for letting me come on here and run my mouth. Because I actually learn more from running my mouth. Like, I don't came up with three or four new ideas just from talking to you. So, thank you. Hey, I'm just happy to have had this time with you today. And if you ever make it up here to Edmunds and I'll be there to see you, it'll be great. Definitely. I appreciate it. >> Social media, yeah. We've got to send us an email. Dope nostalgia podcast at gmail.com. Twitter, nostalgia, dope. All right, Insta. Dope underscore nostalgia. >> This podcast is licensed by SoCan because we believe that artists should be paid for their work. >> Hey, friends. I kind of miss getting those messages on my answering machine like these two back in the day. What I'd really love is to hear from you, the listeners of Dope nostalgia. This is your chance to be on the show, giving feedback, telling us what you love, what you hate, and who you'd like to see more of. >> Call us at our new toll free number, 1-888-741-9192. Leave us some feedback. 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