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The New Age of the Sorcerers: UFOs, MKUltra and the Cold War

Mike Robinson speaks to Matt Ehret about the third part of his documentary series, 'The Hidden Hand Behind UFOs' which highlights the overlap between the names behind the promotion of UFOs and global governance. Write-up and links: www.ukcolumn.org/video/the-new-age-of-the-sorcerers-ufos-mkultra-and-the-cold-war

Duration:: 1h 5m
Broadcast on:: 14 Nov 2024
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Filling under the weather, family dollar has you covered. Battle every sneeze and sniffle this coffin cold season with great deals on over-the-counter cold, flu, and allergy remedies for the whole family. Family Dollar, helping you do more! Hello, and welcome to the UK column. I am delighted today to be joined by Matt Ered, welcome back to the UK column. At the last time we spoke about your episode 2 of the hidden hand behind UFOs, and episode 3 is out. It's another spectacular piece of work, but I noticed that you began just with a little bit of a recap on its g-wels in particular. Yeah, I did. I did. Thank you for having me back. And yeah, it's a fun, ongoing series. I'm thinking to tell the whole story will probably be about 8 or 9 episodes, but yeah, we did H.G. Wells for the episode 2 and the Thomas Huxley X Club thing that a lot of people haven't paid an appropriate amount of attention to, to understand how it is that the mind of all of us became the battlefield over a century and a half ago, and how especially one of these prodigies of Thomas Huxley became a pioneer of the new aspect of this mind battle in the figure of H.G. Wells who generated, who recognized that it was much more valuable to act upon the collective imagination through the medium of entertainment and specifically science fiction to generate what I guess later came to be known as predictive programming to shape the ideas of what he meant so that people could accept ideas under the radar of logic or critical thinking in the form of entertainment that would infuse concepts of what human nature was, what the future was that we would possibly subconsciously even adapt to instead of fighting against if something evil was being put into motion. So and also, you know, questions of like extraterrestrials and how to unite humanity around a common threat from outside of this, the plane of the earth where all things innovated very much so by H.G. Wells, yes. The people that we're talking about here Huxley, Wells, their names crop up everywhere, not just with respect to this particular effort. And you know, when we look at Wells in particular, he was writing a whole swathe of science fiction books in his life, but he was also writing, you know, nonfiction books as well, the, you know, whole host of them. And my first sort of question is where do these guys get the time? Yeah, well, I guess it's part of, they are very hyperactive. It's quite astounding when you see the output, the qualitative output of these figures, it is shocking. And I guess part of it is just not having a regular job, you know, there's something that comes with, you know, being brought into the upper clubs, whether you're born into one of these higher establishment families, and you know, you have a fondie, you have untold, ungodly, hereditary properties and, you know, things that all of a sudden you've been born into. But you've also got access to, you know, a special type of experience within a university system at Eaton or Cambridge or whatever. And coming out of that, you don't have to work for a living, you don't have to worry about money. It's a certain set of expectations of you, if you've chosen to accept them, that will give you a lot of leisure in some ways, to not, again, not have to do a normal job. And I think that there's a quality of education, which the oligarchy has reserved for those expected to rule, that is not the same thing that is granted to the plebes. I mean, I think the oligarchy would rather nobody have education, but since that genie's out of the bottle, it's very easy to get put back. It's very difficult to put that genie back in the bottle. What they can do is try to create a two-tiered educational system where those who are part of the elite, the establishment class, and who are going to be vetted to be brought into the higher reigns of control, will be given something of a different experience than your typical community college student that will allow them to tap into a greater portion of their minds' creative reasoning powers, but without the morality. So the first thing they do is they find a way to groom the morality, the weight of conscience, that all human beings naturally have when you're a baby, you know, we all have conscience to temper our logic, the thing that ties our hearts and our minds together. They find a way to groom that out of the young by whatever it is. There's a variety of techniques, I'm sure, traumatic, trauma, a variety of abuses they have to go through in boarding school or whatever else, other things that are unimaginably horrific to think about. And then when that's done, then they can access a broader, more holistic mode of thinking that thinks about a whole that's more than the sum of the parts so that when they go into the world, they have more to work with as far as tools that could see how the scientific, the artistic, the political domains are all connected as part of one system of control that you could influence and divide your labor up, as Huxley did, Thomas Huxley did very, cogently, competently, although in an evil way through his ex-club that oversaw the growth of Darwinism, the promotion of the Darwinian, gradualistic interpretation of the universe in every domain. And you had members like Matthew Arnold, he's not a scientist, brought into the inner core of the ex-club, you know, you had John Tyndale, you had a variety of people who were specialists in various fields who would all reinterpret their fields in a gradualistic, ultimately random perspective, like Darwin denies any moral orientation to evolution. It's not possible, it's all random mutations. It's not their creative leaps in the Darwinian system, it's all gradualism. And they did that to geology, chemistry, optics, even they brought it into sociology. And so, again, you see how this command and control is very useful in the domain of science fiction, through it became super important, and Huxelles, they divvy up their labor through certain think tanks that have various specializations or groups that they cater to with different techniques that are complementary, so the Fabian Society has a sort of approach different from that of the Rhodes Milner group, you know, one is utilizing a socialistic principle that was innovated by people like John Ruskin, who was with Robert Morse overseeing the growth of what became communism, you know, they created salons with Robert Morse, the guy who was a key figure influencing Friedrich Engels, and again, Ruskin's idea of communalism, little communal living processes, and his aesthetical ideas also shaped Cecil Rhodes and inspired Cecil Rhodes to do his thing, which appears to be more of a movement of the Rhodes Trust that that group that was designed for the more, you know, right-leaning old school conservatives, at least at the beginning, and the Fabians appear to be more left-leaning, socialistic E, but they're all misanthropic anti-humanists at the end of the day, and H.G. Well was moving in and out of these circles, as was Bertrand Russell, and many others. Just before we move on to post-war stuff, one of the non-fiction books at Wells Road, of course, was entitled New World Order. Is that the first use of the term? No, no, that was 1940, but he popularized it quite a bit, and I think his 1929 open conspiracy was also complementary to the New World Order book, where he lays out in a more, I suppose, the cogent manner, the method of how this type of recapturing of humanity under an elite class of high priests was going to work, the rebirth and rebranding of the British Empire, his open conspiracy and New World Order, I think, are two very important blueprints for how the macro structure unfolded over the ensuing Cold War and post-Cold War period. But I think I'd read any bassant using the terminology New World Order before H.G. Wells did, who was a leading Fabian and theosophist as well, which also plays into this. Like I said, there was different think tanks broken off to accommodate certain functions as part of a division of labor, and while they had the Fabian Society, the Rhodes Trust, think tanks, as you could call them proto-think tanks, you had the theosophists also set up similarly to manage the the spiritual warfare component, because if you're going to have a durable control, you have to have almost like a religiosity in your in your pleads, in your in your slaves that have to have a they have to believe a certain superstitious cosmology that allows them to want to be in a system that will be controlled by a higher priest class that controls the shadows of the things they think are gods, which has been going on since ancient times. It's an old technique, but the theosophists where I think the syncretic organization that Annie Bissant was was assigned to lead at a certain moment when Blavatsky died, and she also plays into the Fabian overlap too, and also the reconquest of places like India through, you know, the creation of things like and the overseeing of things like the India Congress party, which on the one hand absorbed a lot of the revolutionary energy of the Indian freedom movement when it was created by a theosophist, you know, what's his name, Octavian home, Alan Octavian home, who was a theosophist, hosted Blavatsky in his house in India, British civil servant, and he set up the India Congress party to create pressure valves, you know, to undo the steam. She she ended up overseeing and running this thing as the president, as did many many theosophists, so they're they have both a political but also a spiritual control because they're also taking that time to extract the most superstitious worst elements of Indian civilization and infusing that back into like whether it's the worship of Kali, Shakti, Shiva, other other forms of tantric black magic that that have been practiced ritualistically, they're they're trying to extract the the most violent subterranean thoughts from Indian cosmology and then put it back in their soup, you know, that it that infuses Western hermeticism, Gnosticism, all this other demonology stuff to create sort of a new syncretic religion with an outward and inward teaching order, an esoteric and an exoteric structure of teaching, which was I think something that people like Bertrand Russell, like like H.U. Wells were attracted to in their own way too, because that's the way the oligarchy any oligarchy can only work by having an outward story and an inward story, you know, something that the the high priest know is the truth, and then something that the masses believe to be true as as as as basically a lie wrapped in a truth. So yeah, all of that's part of the story to you. Well, since you've brought up the issue of the spiritual side and theosophy and so on, a thread that sort of runs through this third episode is the mind control aspect, the use of MK Ultra, the use of psychedelics, but also the fact that that we've got people involved in this process that that not only involved with theosophy, but Rosicrucianism, and in fact, outright Satanism as well. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and there are a number of figures, the one that really I think was the most influential in shaping the UFO narrative as sort of a new religion, a new a new sacred lore coming out of the Cold War or out of World War II, was a figure that many people may not even know so much. J.L. and Heineck was an astronomer who worked within the Manhattan Project Complex, which was sort of the first real secret science program that was set up to create sort of a parallel science outside of the public domain, nominally in order to, you know, do do battle with Hitler, but there was another dual aspect to it, which didn't end after World War II. Now J.L. and Heineck, as did many of these vetted scientists who were part of, not all, there were some very good scientists in Manhattan Project, it was so huge and multifaceted, you know, very compartmentalized too. Many scientists didn't even know what another department was doing, the need for secrecy was so high. So many of them were perfectly duped and did, you know, find science, but some of them were also recruited to be allowed to know a little bit more what the whole was doing, and the Manhattan Project continued after World War II. Now J.L. and Heineck oversaw the creation of the first government, the official government projects on flying saucers, Project Grudge, Project Sine, the Robertson Commission as well. He did all these things, he also oversaw Project Blue Book, which ran from the early '50s through '68 or '69. He oversaw the Blue Ribbon Committee. After Blue Book was nominally ended, he then oversaw, you know, the creation of what was known as the Invisible College, a network of like-minded scientists that took their name from the Rose Occrusion Invisible College that created the Royal Society of England, and that people like Sir Isaac Newton, the alchemist numerologist, was also a devoted member to this, Robert Boyle being another one earlier on. So this Invisible College was a Rose Occrusion Secret Society that followed the hermetic alchemical teachings of a fictional character named Christian Roysen Kreutz. I don't think it ever existed as a person, but it was created as an image which had it associated it. It seems to have been, to have attempted to do what Theosophy had rebranded itself a little bit later, as far as creating a secret Gnostic teaching order that would bring in her metacism, alchemy, kabbalism, under a very highly symbolic, highly superstitious worldview that would involve channelers, witches. I think this thing was behind the growth also of the Hellfire Club at the inner core, the seeding of witch covens all over Europe and especially the American colonies in the 17th century, 18th century. Sir Francis Dashwood was a big member of this Hellfire Club operation as well. So this is what literally in my assessment was key in transforming the British England into an empire in a very vitriolic way. It was already being nudged in that direction earlier, but that was really the big part of the secret sauce that that locked it in was this high order of occult priests that created again, the British Royal Society was very powerful at trying to control the interpretation of all science. You know, you had this battle between Continental Science and British Science in Pierce's School of Francis Bacon, who was again an occultist. The followers of John D. Robert Flood as well were all playing into this thing. So Allen Heineck created his own invisible college. She was a student of Manly P. Hall, a figure who was a 33rd degree Freemason, wrote, you know, the secret teachings of all ages, very influential Rosa Crucian Handbook, sort of his own version of Albert Pike's Morals and Dogmo or Blavaski's secret doctrine. So one of the key members of that invisible college that comes up in the documentary is Jacques Valle, who is a student of Heineck. Valle goes on to work for the Stanford Research Institute, all of these things to infuse this Rosa Crucian teaching structure, which by the way, earlier on Alistair Crowley also was playing a role in advancing a left-hand path version of this, which was taken up by one of his students, who also saw himself as the reincarnation of the beast named Elrond Hubbard. So Elrond Hubbard was in charge of the California auto-temply orientis that Crowley led. And Elrond Hubbard created a school, a thought of a religion called Scientology, a UFO cult, and his students became very close to Jacques Valle within the Stanford Research Institute. They are the ones who also were very much working with the CIA, Ingo Swan and others at trying to utilize MK-Ultra techniques as you alluded to, Psilocybin, DMT, other forms of LSD research that were all developed by the military industrial complex and British intelligence. They were all developed by these institutions. And then they were using them to create different forms of deep patterning, psychological trauma to help people tap into controlled schizophrenia that was believed to give people access to higher paranormal powers of telepathy, astral plane projection, pretty much everything. And that's what they were doing under Jacques Valle's lead with this team at SRI in the 70s, under what became the Stargate Project, is fed directly into the changing images of man operation with Willis Hartman. And Willis Hartman, by the way, his assistant was the woman who wrote the Aquarian conspiracy, which was a direct take from H.G. Wells's earlier open conspiracy directly. So this is what was all done to try to change the idea of what human beings thought we were, utilizing a variety of techniques of hypnosis, matters of Jungian and Freudian psychology, the Aberian sociology, a little mix of all of these things, to then bring about a new age of sorcerers with a highly superstitious population that would perhaps believe that the religions that they thought they were a part of were actually the constructs of UFOs from or aliens from either other galaxies, or maybe even other dimensions, which is what both Alan Heineck and Jacques Valle also innovated was the interdimensional alien hypothesis in the 60s together with Valle's road to Magonia. And that that also was the idea that we'll take. We'll take the new interpretation of science and the atom of the standard model cosmology and atomic theory, which was garbage. It was always garbage. It was always a rejection of the method of thinking of people like Max Planck, and I'm Kerry Albert Einstein, who were making discoveries. The people making discoveries didn't agree with this new method that was brought about through the 1930s, 40s, and became the standard that we all had to adopt if we wanted to be a scientist that would have jobs in academia or get grants. And the standard model presumed kind of like what Thomas Huxley's network did at the X Club earlier is they basically said there's certain assumptions that you have to pay fealty to that are unquestionable about the structure of space, time, and matter, of which one of those things is that all matter is organized by fundamentally irrational behavior, randomness, stochastic motion on the very small, and that to account for things like the assumed Big Bang that we assume happened and you assume that there are other dimensions, because something can't come from nothing unless you're a Gnostic, you know, a follower of some, you know, mannequin universe where nothing and everything are co-equal or good or evil or co-equal. But, you know, the Big Bang presumes that nothing existed forever, and then something happened 13 billion years ago, and that something was everything at a point mass, but what made the point mass? Well, then they said, well, we need to come up with mathematical abstractions like other dimensions to account for what might have existed before the singularity that created the macroblast of energy that is all that is, which is winding down in the heat death. And so they just made it up as a mathematical fiction to accommodate for trying to paste over an irrationalism. And then the people like Valle and Hynek would use this garbage Copenhagen school promoted interpretation that was funded by the Rockefellers to justify how drugs might be helping us tap into other dimensions. And maybe there are these other entities in those dimensions that we thought were angels or demons when we maybe a primitive person ate a magic mushroom or they chew on some opium or cocaine and all of a sudden got an altered state and they thought they saw some force talking to them from inside the brain. Maybe that force, that was what the prophets of Elijah and the prophets of the Old Testament, and maybe Jesus when they thought they were speaking to God were getting alien communications from another dimension. So this stuff just adds up, the fallacies of composition build upon fallacy, but in an organized way to get a certain effect and that's what they've been doing. We talked about Ed Sheewell and Hynek fun time and what to do things and whatnot. And you've got to assume that he was to some degree a capable person whether you agree with them or not. Valle of course was good mates with Anton Lavey and the fact that their names rhyme I always find quite amusing. But anyway, Anton Lavey when you look at his photograph, his picture on the internet or whatever he looks, he comes across as having real presence, that he's a real demonic personality and whatnot. Of course he was head of the church of Satan. But when you go and actually watch video of him speaking, he comes across as being really a bit wet. He's pathetic. He's not much of a character really, actually there's nothing there. He's empty. And I wonder how much these other people are like that as well. It's true what you say. You read the writings of some of these figures. You look at their images, the type of projection that they're all about projection of the image that they want to convey into their audience. But when you actually hear them off the cuff trying to speak, it's so underwhelming including H2Ls. The few recordings I have of H2Ls, he's this very effet tenor. He's not very comfortable with his voice almost. I don't know. It's underwhelming. And the same thing for Aquino, who comes up more prominently in our episode three of Michael Aquino, who had been a second-hand lieutenant, a second-in command of Lave at the church of Satan for a number of, I think, five or six years. And he plays a prominent role in this whole revival of a new world-wide religion. But with his focus and his assignment was particularly the military. Because that is a very important aspect of control. If you have a patriotic human quality within your intelligence and military, it's much more difficult to subvert a society if the military is actually a citizen's military with people who have access to their wits and morals. Very, very, very difficult to subvert such a society. So a high priority for the oligarchy, I think, has been, especially, how to drive the military nuts, whether British, American, whatever. And I think a big part of what they did with the Flying Saucer Syop after World War II had a big focus on creating within the military itself and within intelligence itself a culture. Because it's a very compartmentalized world that many of these people are living within. There's a lot of need to know, and a lot of things most people are not allowed to know, who feel like they should know, whatever the rank they happen to be in the army or the Air Force or the Navy, intelligence similarly, very compartmentalized. So they wanted to create a gossipy culture where people would feel on the one hand that maybe the government is, maybe we are participating in some weird X-Files scenario. Maybe there are shadowy departments that are maybe protecting or keeping secret information about UFOs and other things. And they would put out different types, those who were overseeing this operation around Jalen Heinek would put out or Alan Dulles and his closest colleagues who all got fired by JFK. We're putting out various forms of messaging that on the one hand would encourage the media to promote the idea with official stories from the government that, indeed, aliens and alien craft have been recuperated in these things. But then inside the military, they would tell people anybody who speaks about things that they have seen in the night sky will be facing a $10,000 fine. And you'd have these very big or court martial. So again, the sorcerers would create a magic show, in a sense, playing on the psychology of the groups to create within the military a detachment from common sense. And the more this got softer and softer minded over the decades, especially the Cold War, it was a crazy period of deceit, of lies. Cold War secrecy was everywhere. We were working with Nazis, the highest level Nazis. And we were told not to ask questions because it was in the greater good, Operation Gladio. That's what NATO was employing, were unrestricted Nazis to fight the Cold War and to also fight the population mentally, including those in the UK and Europe and America, the population became the battlefield. So anyway, a queen who full of set, and his temple of set as a break away from the church of Satan, he comes, he himself is a colonel, a very high level, above top secret clearance in almost everything. He teaches it several military colleges. He oversees the psychological warfare operations at Fort Bragg in a variety of other places in America. And he writes, you know, he becomes a reformer. He's assigned the role of reforming the military through a colleague of him, of his own, named Paul Valle, who authored the Mind Wars paper. And they're essentially using the works of Jacques Valle and the SRI team on special paranormal powers of telepathy and remote viewing and things like that, that they were doing on a lot of human guinea pigs alla, MKL, in the 70s, they were using a lot of that information to create elite super soldiers or modern Jedi warrior knights that would utilize almost like this. They would use language from the grail myths of a scalloper that this power of Mind Wars would be like the sort of scalloper that would be a magic or like what Hitler had with his, was it sort of destiny or not sort of spear of destiny? Was this the stuff that was sort of the feature of the man that started Goats or whatever that book is called? Is that the kind of thing we're talking about here? Oh, yeah, yeah, you've seen that movie. Yeah, anybody's it's a decent, that was a BBC movie. It was weird. But yeah, they popularized this story, which was nonfiction into a movie with George Clooney, called The Men Who Stare at Goats, going through what this Mind Wars thing was that drove the revolution in military affairs and involved, you know, sending out soldiers into Esslyn to do sacred orgies, drugs, do transcendental meditation, learn to tap into their mind powers, and then feed back into reorganizing platoons to blow up the hearts of an enemy using goats or rabbits. You know, it's just folks your mind to run through walls by aligning your your your atoms by intention with those of the wall that you could then pass through. And it was it was it was a crazy land, but it but but it also was very much infused with the Jedi. They had one program called the Jedi Warrior Program. And if it makes sense, when you think about what what it was that people like George Lucas was doing George Lucas called. Anyway, I'm not going to go into that right now, but yeah that that became the driving force of the the elite commandos, but also people who became part of the the high joint chiefs of staff of America. People like General Stubblebeam, who is the head of military intelligence in the 80s, was a patron of this and a promoter of this. And these are the people who then oversaw things like like, why did America start acting so crazy at, you know, by after it ran contour, especially, but with desert storm and then the forever wars in 9/11, these the these words of people like Michael Aquino, who I never said, yeah, it was just the most unimpressive person to talk to listen to when you when you listen to him speaking on Oprah Winfrey, he's just like this this little nerdy office cubicle, you know, employee, and you wouldn't guess he thinks that he's the embodiment of Alistair Crowley, which he does and kind of like kind of him similar, the Nazi, you know, head of the on and out, but which he actually is doing work rituals, Blackmagic rituals in Webblesburg Castle in Germany, which is where Himmler had his, you know, occult headquarters that ran the inner core of the SS as a new Templar order of of of grail myths of of grail knights, you know, with with missed mind powers that could tap into spirit beings using witches from the real society that would be channelers. All this shit, it's it's it's it's it's crazy it's crazy land. And I suppose the next question then is if we talk about Aquino in particular, there he was with his dodgy bull haircut and his his little his eyebrows sort of pushed up like little bits and stuff like this, but but was was his public persona and expression of the of the mind war of the scyob or was he that is this what he actually was what we saw in public that then was brought into the that was and channeled into the military to make changes in a particular direction. I'm seeing a theme in in a lot of these characters, even John Podesta has an alter name some some weird name like squeegee or something and people who've worked with John Podesta talk about how how nice and unique John Podesta is, but you don't want to meet I'm gonna call it squeegee because I don't remember but it's a it's a goofy name like that you don't want to meet squeegee. And that's the the the like the thing that that will destroy you and tear you down like there's this other thing you just taps into and people who've worked with Podesta like yeah there's this other weird thing. We're all afraid of it, you don't want to you don't let that thing out. I get the sense that there is some form of controlled schizophrenia some some some personality split personality complex that is pervasive amongst the occult the higher occult oligarchs who are assigned to carry out something so that in the daytime they can have one persona that seems maybe even pleasant you know like I'm thinking like an Obama has almost charisma and then at night you know there's another thing that can can be induced to come out maybe through certain ritual which is demonic is sin you know so I mean Michael Aquino has a huge trail of children who he molested there is there is there a whole slew of children molested and I've seen enough enough evidence that's convinced me that that it's it's legit that met Aquino and his wife Claire I forgot her name is but she's Lilith Claire that they were they had control of a daycare on I forget which military base that they were living near and yeah children were getting molested left and right and there was a huge scandal in the 80s around this thing I think that's part of one of the reason why he was brought on to Oprah Winfrey in 1988 was to try to sort of defend himself against all of these accusations but they're coming but so you know you got this he's doing he's doing God knows what he's part of Operation Phoenix you know like he's doing on holy evil in Vietnam under Edward Lansdale who's overseeing Operation Phoenix which murders you know whole villages the my lie massacre there's like 40,000 at least people murdered tortured um Vietnam I think just like the Boer War earlier that generated the Milner kindergarten I think the Boer War the Vietnam War was an important ritual initiatory process for an inner satanic elite that would be given the reins of power or influence in managing systems and that particular grouping really was shaped you know where you do the sorts of things that that Marlon Brando's character has to or ends up doing in apocalypse now you know it does something to you um and there's something that only war can provide the opportunity to do that level of mass murder to children and torture that you won't be held accountable for so it's it's it's it's it's part of that so the fact that Aquino came out of that immediately had upon his return to America and by the way he's in he's going in and out of things like he's tied there there's the Manson family there's the processed church there's the the um the uh the church of Satan operators that are all kind of overlapping in some weird ways throughout the story the zodiac killer is overlapping in this stuff in uh in the late 60s um which he then all of a sudden has you know his his insight from uh demon forces or whatever that convinced him that he is the Messiah the the the Messiah of the new age of of set set being a reference to the the Lucifer Jesus figure of the of the Gnostics the Setheian gospels that that presumed that the the spirit of set the spirit of Lucifer the light bringer was the thing that that gave that infused the the words into the snake to to get Adam and Eve to get you know to eat from the tree of knowledge and then it's the same thing that infused itself into the body of Jesus when he became the Christ which was actually um Lucifer that Christ is actually the the not the figure from the Nicene uh scriptures of the of the New Testament it's actually the figure of the Gnostics which was teaching secret teachings to Mary Magdalene his his sacred prostitute horror um wife who gave birth to his babies who taught you know the how to integrate good and evil how to integrate opposites into wholeness so that we would transcend the realm of opposites of creation go back to the great nothingness which was the cause of everything that's why I said Gnostic that's the sort of the type of thing you would find in a lot of the the the Nagamati popularized Gnostic scriptures that have been I think known and maintained by this this the Satanic core going back for 2000 years but they they they made it popular they they brought it they they had a coming out party for it during the Cold War um and so the the temple of set what got its name from that um that idea you have to do good to do to do evil to do good you got to you got to do these rituals that involve finding a way to break the initiate the the adept from any type of influence that their conscience would have over their ability to to do what they wilts that to be perfectly you know individualized as Carl Jung would say it free agents you have to do and these these ritual acts um were part of that um so yeah Aquino had his own approach to that that was slightly different but I think very synergistic with with with his former mentor um and people like Edward Lansdale I believe work absolutely satanic and many of these satanists were again overseeing things that involved the creation of uh of QAnon um which has a certain numerological rose accruition foundation to it utilizing very cryptic messaging that's highly encoded that involves you know Michael Aquino was also a promoter of QAnon early on so it was Paul Vallele the two authors of Mind Wars they were both promoters of QAnon so you know I mean I think that this is how they're sort of trying to play this thing um to get the population into a certain dynamic let's uh move back in history again a little bit because uh one name that that came up in the early part of the documentary that I think we should talk about since uh he was uh one of the great mentors of our present king and that was uh Lewin on Baton yeah sure I mean Mount Baton yeah he he was a surprising one I didn't think that he was gonna come up but he does and he was actually one of the earliest promoters um of UFOs um in the early 50s he came out speaking about you know his belief that these alien craft had landed on one of his estates and his butler you know saw it in interfaced with the aliens and he came out really promoting this and he actually got his uh he got his nephew uh uh Philip to become uh really uh devoted to this the story now again I don't believe personally that Mount Baton or Philip actually believed in that but after Philip died that's the messaging that was promoted is that oh yeah he had a lifelong passion since he was recruited to the cause of UFO disclosure by his uncle uh and he had a bounty of like UFO literature yeah I think they sort of saw that as the joke that it was um but that was the messaging for the masses um now Mount Baton was uh the supreme allied commander during World War II of uh I think the eastern or the eastern the pacific front um he was the governor general in viceroy of India very very powerful guy he ended up uh becoming a top dog at NATO in the 50s and uh yeah he he was um according to Sir Henry Tizard the most powerful scientist of the British Empire the chief scientist of the UK Ministry of Defense he was the guy who was signed Tizard to establish the flying saucer working party in the UK in 1949 which for eight months was using taxpayer money um highly secretive agency they only discovered this thing decades and decades later when it was declassified more recently I think Nick Pope might have had a role in that anyway this this is actually a thing that um that investigated the various reports of unidentified objects flying around in the in the the night sky that people started seeing after 1947 or 46 really but 47 yeah there's big breakout all of a sudden um in specifically mostly around military bases in the UK and across the United States mostly military bases and yeah Mount Baton um needed to I think he seems to have been the one who was uh playing the the biggest role um in trying to capture or create a new narrative of control over capturing the the testimonials of what people civilians as well as unvetted military people would be seeing that in the night sky and then um and then testing it out and then we'll run this this eight year this eight month report that Tizard was overseeing directly and now Tizard plays a very important role because he's he's also the guy who was brought into establishing them in hat and project in 1940 through the Tizard Commission of Washington he's the one who taught Washington how to do secret science in the way that I described earlier um utilizing British standards of secrecy Britain was sort of they they honed the art of spycraft and secrecy so they had a lot to teach their their underlings in the United States so the Manhattan Project grew out of his directives uh directions uh the growth of of radar he was overseeing the the the the creation of radar systems which could also play a role and did play a role in the creation of the UFO uh story you know you could easily create radar blips that would convince radar operators that they were seeing something that wasn't actually there and like 90% of a lot of the sightings was things like that um and then other things was like you know um he he oversaw in 1951 the creation of of project artichoke in America that became MKUltra um which I also document a little bit so he's he's a very very high level person in charge of a lot of moving parts that seem different but the the same thing um and and project blue book in America that Charles Cabell the second in command under under Allen Dulles at the CIA over seas he creates project blue book um that's immediately done in the wake of the UK flying saucer working party uh to sort of continue that and that goes on for many more years again to largely groom um a new culture of UFO believers um inside of the military and intelligence circles themselves that's that's really the biggest focus during that times capture the minds and um the minds of those would normally be the defenders the guard the guardians of the society against the oligarchy they have to be made more and more superstitious and that was sort of the the high task and then when that could be done then you have something something sufficient that will either participate in or shut up when you kill a John F Kennedy or a Bobby Kennedy you know you got something in there that will will be more useful at at playing the game because all of a sudden if there's if you're living in a universe where we're inter are elites are interfacing with aliens that must be more than human you know a deeper down the evolutionary plane or that are interfacing from another dimension then there's there's a mystical universe that evil might be needed to do the good you know and all of a sudden people can rationalize things um and go along with things that they would normally never go along with if you could make them crazy enough so that that I think was the big driver of of Mount Mount Batton and his art and and what what they're doing and Cabell and Ellen Delison what they're doing politically should not be separated from what they're doing on the UFO research front it's it's again that it I know so many people who compartmentalize those things because they really want to believe that the UFO story that's been sold to them and that they that's sort of replacing their old perhaps uh it's it's become a new religion for so many people that they're they're willing to compartmentalize and overlook the political destructive evil that was done by those very same people who are creating the foundations for this sacred lore um because it troubles our our our whatever but we have to see them as two sides of the same thing yeah it is it is an incredible story how that is going on now sorry I just want to come back for a second to what you're saying about narcissism and whatnot and I realize I'm jumping around a little bit here but but nonetheless was something occurred to me because you were talking about this Gnostic urge to sort of merge good and evil and whatnot and you were hinting at George Lucas now I realized that you were about to head down a rabbit hole there and you don't want to go down there for this program but maybe we'll do that in the future maybe we should do that in the future but I just want to get your thoughts on it struck me that perhaps the whole Star Wars narrative the you know the light and the dark side of the force is is just Gnosticism repackaged don't get me wrong I like Star Wars the first three the first three at least yes uh absolutely start okay so here's the thing I was and this I'm only going to scratch something that could be really unpacked so um George Lucas described as his Yoda a man named Joseph Campbell and Joseph Campbell is a figure who was on the SRI changing images of man projects which was tied to the CIA in the 1970s in 1974 75 with Willis Harmon and Marilyn Fergeson right the the Aquarian conspiracy woman who was Willis Harmon's assistant and a follower of H2L's so anyway um Joseph Campbell is a follower and an innovator of directly Carl Jung he's he was part of something called the Aranos conferences that Jung had spearheaded in 19 from 1933 until well I think it's still going on every year um but he was an early founder and disciple of Jung on this he was also before that a follower of any Besant's uh world teacher what's this Krishna Murty um so he went to Krishna Murty's castle Krishna Murty had a some Norwegian royal donated castle to him in the 20s uh to teach you know enlightenment the new age uh before that was before Krishna Murty broke away and said I don't want to be the Messiah anymore so Joseph Campbell was uh was pretty deep in it early on and um and again he was the one who co-founded the bowling in conferences uh the bowling in uh institute that that codified all of Carl Jung's works and promoted that with the melon family very very deeply embedded in this was the melon family mary melon and a Paul melon were some of the earliest promoters and disciples of Jung um who was also an uh an agent for the OSS he was giving from Switzerland um a variety of uh insights to Allen Delos directly who was also deployed to Switzerland on psychological warfare during the war and after the war um all let's say Joseph Campbell writes the hero with a thousand faces he's looking at how to create sacred stories and his his assignment with Mercia Eliad who's also part of the the Aranos conferences that become the basis for excellent the excellent institute in America in in 62 it's the but the first the first iteration of this was Aranos at in Switzerland Mount Monteverita um so he he's looking at all of the sacred laws of of indigenous societies African societies like what are the what are the common traits of the sacred stories of these various um tribal cultures to try to extract well what are the essentials what are the essential care behavioral traits of these tribal cultures um in terms of you know ayahuasca peyote other things but but but the attributes he's looking for in the stories are the archetypes where and he developed some a thesis around the hero's journey and the the idea of like um interfacing within any type of story that will have any claim to universality you have to have these attributes of the hero's journey of somebody who uh goes to the guardian of the threshold sort of their shadow self that they they have to do battle with you know you have that definitely that with with Luke Skywalker and his father there's there's a certain mother quality uh that that that's pervasive within these stories and there's there's certain um light darkness dualisms a battle of demons and angels that you know manifest in different cultures in different ways but he he writes the hero with a thousand faces a very popular book that George Lucas is super influenced by he calls him his yoda like i said his mentor and a number of occasions and it gives him the key to to craft this what what is very self-consciously new sacred lore for america because he's like Lucas gave it into his like the problem was there wasn't there america didn't have sacred folk stories all we had were cowboy westerns and he's like we needed to create something new for the 21st century and beyond that would infuse the best of of grail myths you know the the grail myths were the things that were a big propaganda tool a lot of it was being promoted by the troubadours during the middle ages that would that that that finalized and created these these over-the-top accounts of you know king arthur and galahad and the scalloper and the nights the roundtable that had nothing to do with the real arthur from the 6th century like these were all just made up 600 700 years later um as as ways to romanticize going off to fighting demons and dragons and things and saving dambles that wanna you know and so you had this this is part of the the crafting the grooming of the new knighthoods the totonic nights the spanish nights the the templar the hospitalers like the way you would recruit it useful idiots to go off and fight crusades and be a part of these these complexes which themselves had a Gnostic inner core the hospitalers which became the knights of malta the templars which were nominally taken down but they they took on a few different forms iterations going up through the Jesuits as albert pike had said they were all part of this Gnostic inner uh uh i guess you could think of them as like the the stay behinds you know like you they they nominally took down the Gnostics in the 4th century but but they actually didn't go away some of them left but other ones were rebranded into various christian veneer and and and work to subdue uh the the the the viable parts of christianity from within and this is what seeded things like the templars this is what oversaw the the crafting of the the crusades the forever wars of religions that undid so much good that was happening prior to that in the 8th and 9th centuries 8th 10th centuries there's a lot of good happening amongst various cultures that were learning how to work together on a higher on a higher moral plane um that was avoiding wars and and creating all sorts of renaissance dynamics left and right from the the abasid dynasty the carolinian the the chinese tang dynasty you all this this wonderful synergy going on that all had to come undone which again the the the the the grail myths the grail knights uh that were managing the the the the the new forever wars that were the crusades that was what was re revived with the new crusaders um in america um and a queen o and and others like that's why they that's why himler called his high his inner guard s s the new templars that's why the uh this thing this this sort of templar cult was part was also infused into it was it was heavily rosocrusion the rosocrusion symbolism involves the integration of of of the male and the feminine right you you have these androgynous symbols and imagery um it's not just bathmet but it's also bathmet um a lot of it continued on and that's a that's a big part of the the the the temple of set that's a big part of of a lot of these things and anyway yeah i think that uh i guess i made a short story long uh because that is actually what uh um george lucas is animated by is how to create a new set of of sacred stories that would create and i think he was taking a lot of this from el ron hubbert and el ron hubbert's cosmology that he popularized in his science fiction books before and during his space operas before and during the creation of scientology which involves you know a galaxy 70 billion years ago and a galaxy far far away you have a galactic federation and and rebels battling the the federation that it also involves channeling demon spirits and astral projection and some of these followers of one of the the the key bad guys ends up like coming into this zone of earth and get you know they get tied into a nuclear bomb and they're just living in torture like hellfire like like like like or hell razor you know that horror movie that's like that's what they're living in for for millennia and then all of a sudden they get out and they just infuse themselves into the new beings of of that that are human beings that come out of of you know some weird spiritual war and that we're all composed of different particles of these demonic tortured beings and that's the cause of all mental sickness and you can get out of that if you go through scientology and do dynamics yeah so anyway that that all has a lot of overlap and I think a lot of that cosmology played into the creation of the the general framework of Star Wars which again like you said has a very force of darkness force of good is equal counter balancing forces that can be tapped into by generally hereditary bloodlines most of the jedi have some form of hereditary power latent within their blood so you have this sacred blood idea that allows you to tap into the real force the force I think that's what the real force was a bull relittin and and the real society of the Nazis and that the ossivists earlier they they all have this idea and you can use it for good or for bad and you have it in the the new age christian cults you know like a lot of a lot of modern christians or be a lot of the people who are good people support Donald Trump and others but a lot of them you listen to them talk they think like this that they their relationship to jesus or the bible is like invocations of you know a prayer is an invocation they they think that you could do good white magic through jesus that that's what they're thinking of when they think of their relationship to jesus is white magic versus to counterbalance black magic that needs like white warriors to counterbalance the black lodge the great white lodge versus the great black lodge of blavatsky right that has its white hats versus the black hats and they're all like using secret powers but it all just becomes like like like a marvel comics fairy tale where you're just a pleb wondering like what these superheroes are doing you can't really know the superheroes are going to save the world and and it seems to me that jack kirby and stanley all are also part of this too that's unfortunate that is fascinating it's been a fascinating conversation but just just to finish off the it sort of harks back to the same question asked about a keynote bit if we obviously one of the other big sort of popular culture television shows that was really influential in this area of ufos was the axe files you mentioned them already was that when we see you know a product like that coming out of a television studio or whatever is that is that a group of writers reflecting what they see around them or is that in fact centrally channeled that that's something that's come from the psychological operation and people have been effectively employed to produce a narrative over a x-number series well i think it's a bit of both you know like this this thing took on a life of its own i think people were probably more self-aware of what this was when hg wells was very self-aware of the joke that he was putting out there and and who would be allowed to know what the joke was about and who was supposed to believe the you know who was not supposed to be in on it but the more this thing takes hold of our culture which is a very very powerful thing the culture it shapes our subconscious qualities in a deeper way than people realize it it it people could think that they're having their own creative ideas and it's actually not really coming from them you know like i i remember being younger and getting stoned you know sitting in a in a in a in a field with some some friends looking at the stars and and thinking that we're all in a computer simulation and maybe we're all a video game being played by aliens and i remember thinking like how profound and original those thoughts were and now in hindsight it's just pathetic that they're like no those thoughts didn't come from any of us um now imagine you know if if we actually had if near any my friends actually had skills at uh at going or a desire to go into creative fiction writing we might get a contract you know and well obviously our our stories that we would come up with from either a book or a comic book uh that we would create or maybe a script that we would do for Netflix maybe it would have our own coloring of our personality that would uniquely distinguish it but the the general archetypal stories that we would be channeling thinking that they are our own would actually not be coming from us so i think the vast majority of people probably are just being themselves on the script team and on the production teams but i do think that you have key figures from the top not very many who are nudging the thing overseeing what what elements go into certain scripts get infused into even vocals within within musical store musical compositions from lady gaga or others i i don't think that they're in control fully of their of their production in any way um so that if you want to have like some predictive programming thrown into some simpson episodes or in some some x-files episodes that might put forth some messaging that might be useful later on no it's a gamble because the the oligarchy doesn't control everything they want to give us the impression that they controlled everything but they will infuse a lot of things that are part of scripts that they have in play they're operating on scenarios um like you know moulder and scully all of a sudden having a discussion about um so some biological warfare operation done to shut down to take away civil liberties and to get everybody to wear masks and to get you know experimentally ejections to like they'll have this little five-minute aside during one of the stories in the x-files that i think was put there not to say that they were necessarily going to do it that way but it was it was something that they were gaming so they're like well if we do it then these things become like signals that we can refer back to that will create a certain psychological effect on the population they do it in q and on a lot too you know q and on has all sorts of of things within the messaging that sort of came about in 2017 that are very encrypted and of course that that psychological effect is massive when somebody then comes along and posts the clip on the social media and says look what i find and the effect that that has on on people uh you know the the the Simpsons predictions are are a key point it's huge oh so big yeah that that has a huge effect on people's minds and drive some kind of nuts because then they'll then you get a whole bunch of people who are walking around saying look this is all a conspiracy it was on the Simpsons and then you kind of undo the potential destructive influence of of people who are actually truth seekers trying to do something about the conspiracy right well you've just castrated them you've made them impotent because they're referring back to the Simpsons or x-files for their reference point and people who are or totally immersed in the normal narratives are just going to immediately shut that down yeah uh totally yeah not i'm going to say thank you very much this has been a fascinating conversation what comes in the next episode and when can we expect it these things do take time and energy and and everything and money to raise raise money but each one is a is a real uh endeavor um but the next one we're hoping to get out maybe spring 2025 it's a bit slow but it's like i said it you when people watch them they'll they'll see why it takes time they're they're real full productions and again we have Jason Dahl my my video producer friend genius and and Cynthia and myself we're we're really just three people making these things happen um but uh the next one is going to be about UFO cults so that that that that's going to be something that surprised people going back to we're gonna we're gonna look at the Mormons the Swedenborgians but we're gonna like obviously look at a lot of the stuff that really burst it out onto the scene coming out mostly of rosa crucial groups and the philosophy groups um in the united states especially but you had it in Europe as well um throughout the cold war and how that stuff impacts political intelligence and and geopolitical operations that happen on the earth um and you know like the way things are going and the way things are being set up they're going to be doing the Edward Lansdale operation sooner than later they're already starting it like in the in the mainstream messaging on CNN they got congressional hearings on UFO disclosure and yeah there's already evidence that they've tried out holograms in the in the skies above above Brazil um showcasing in one case it was Jesus that was in that was projected onto the skies just to see how people would react this is what Edward Lansdale was already innovating back in the in the late 50s when they were trying to figure out how to overthrow Castro for sick early 60s by doing illumination elimination through illumination projectile lights call it the messiahs come wants the Cubans to and and demand that the Cubans overthrow Castro because he's the anti-Christ and that was actually Edward Lansdale the guy who runs uh operation Phoenix and and Aquino that so that they didn't have the technology to do it in a convincing way then although they did have certain you know certain things experimental aircraft that they were playing with that they got from the Nazis um that would give people a bit of a the confusion but all that to say and we are going to be seeing more holograms you know increasingly and as this technology has improved quite a bit um this will drive people crazy if they're not mentally very well equipped to understand how they're being played um and before you know it things that seem fringe crazy like Scientology could become if we allow this the the dominant mainstream churches 20 years from now um so you know like I said it's really really important that people just think about the UFO calls we're going to do a whole thing on that where you have a whole show on the CIA's influence over science fiction um especially in the 50s and to the to the present day which will go deeper into the George Lucas and Steven Spielberg uh operation Spielberg having jail and Heineck as his advisor on close encounters of the third third kind and his work on ET highly highly shaped by these intelligence agencies and then we're going to go back to some um some of the political story once again so it'll it'll be it'll be a weaving effect but it'll it'll come together pretty well and like I said that can be watched on canadianpatriot.org or um people can can uh actually at Canadianpatriot.org or I guess the description box under this video as you mentioned we'll host those those videos too uh yes well of links to everything uh under in the show notes for this so um matt i'm going to say what we need to leave it there for today but thank you very much that has been fascinating and uh looking forward to 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