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Love Kills Witches
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We saw this news today, a lot of things talk about, a lot of things going on in the world. While we were gone, everything just started to all get dumped on us and a lot of news, a lot of things to talk about especially in entertainment. I am one of your hosts Trent Powell, joined by my other host, Tobias, how are you? Doing good, yeah we, last week we was Halloween and my birthday and yeah a lot of things going on. The election, a lot of things so we took a week off and we're back with a lot of things to talk about. For sure, so I'm just going to start us off with one thing real quick. We, it's about, I don't know if you've heard but, and this is pretty exciting, something we've been waiting for and something we've not gotten much of. So would you, I don't know, drum roll, I don't know, I'll do drum roll, okay, drum roll. We're getting another Star Wars trilogy. It's about time. They've announced, Stephen Knight is going to be directing, probably writing a new Star Wars trilogy. What do you think about that, Tobias? Nice. That's awesome. I don't even know who that is and, oh, oh well. We actually are very familiar with, with this guy. He has written some pretty incredible scripts that we have actually reviewed on this podcast, on movie reviews. Yes, he is the writer for X-Men Dark Phoenix. He is the writer for X-Men Apocalypse and one we've actually not done yet but we will probably eventually do, Fan Force Stick. Wow. Yeah, just so you guys are aware, just so you're aware, we gave Dark Phoenix a 2.7 and X-Men Apocalypse a 5.1 so, yep, great movies. To give credit recruiters due, he also wrote Days of Future Past and one of the other, oh, I think he had some involvement in first class, okay, so what can you credit recruiters do? I mean, those X-Men movies really just aren't that great. Days of Future Past is good but anyways, it's just funny. I don't know why they hired this guy. But he's the dude and it's not like Disney's announced other trilogies that they're going to do so it's all fallen on this guy. That's crazy. And it's supposed to be 10, 11, 12, by the way. Really? Yeah. So is the Rey movie going to be 10? I don't need dude. I don't even know. Like, remember they lost it, they're writer and so it's probably all changed. This is what's so annoying. You want to know how many projects they've announced that have yet to come to fruition, that we've yet to see the lie of the day? It's been 14. This brings us to 14 projects that they've announced. They've announced, they announced a trilogy for what the Russo Brothers, at least a movie, maybe a trilogy for Kevin Feige, the Rogue Squadron movie that got canned. The Ryan Johnson trilogy. Yeah, Ryan Johnson was supposed to do a trilogy. The Game of Thrones guys, writers or directors, whatever were supposed to do, something. Tiger with TD had a movie, has a movie, who knows. They keep announcing all these things and it's like, we've heard this story before. We know it's not going to go anywhere. Why do you keep doing this? It's so stupid. That's crazy. It was actually announced, like, hey, guess what, Steven Knight, he's getting a Star Wars trilogy. It's going to be 10, 11, 12. It's like, okay, are you guys canning the Rey movie? Is this going to be the Rey movie, the first one, and then two others? Yeah. Dude, it's so annoying. Stop announcing projects that you don't have really much development behind. Yeah. Well, it used to be that they would announce the project after it was written and they're getting ready to shoot. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's the proper time to announce. How many years removed, we're what, five years removed from Rise of Skywalker? Didn't it come out in 2019? Yeah. It was before COVID. So yeah, what, five years removed from that and how many Star Wars movies have we gotten? Yeah. And maybe you can get excited about it if they've like shown that they can produce anything of worth. Yeah. But no, got what, the acolyte, Ahsoka wasn't great, Mandalorian season three was garbage. Yeah. What else? I don't even know. We got skeleton crew coming up, we got Goonies in space. Yeah. That's supposed to come out in like a week. Yeah. I think so. Oh, the, the Penguin series is over, right? That they've released all the episodes. Nope. Season finale is tomorrow. Is tomorrow? Yeah. Okay. Nice. So by the time this is released, it will have that finish. Yeah. Have you been, have you been watching them all? Yep. I'm caught up and I'm excited for tomorrow night. Nice. I haven't been caught up at all. You should. It's really good. Yeah. I mean, I really enjoyed what I've watched. I just haven't. Yeah. Watched it. Yeah. Whatever your thoughts been throughout the series. Similar to what I said weeks ago, it's just very well told story that there, one, there's a couple of aspects that I've noted, thing, aspects about that I've noticed that have been really good and mostly that relates to just telling a good villain story where you're like, you're sympathetic for the Penguin. But especially after the last episode that we just released, you still hate him. Like he is a villain. He is a cruel, wicked man. And the show was telling you guys, making it very clear, especially because of the beginning of the last episode, it was like, oh, wow, yeah, like, this guy sucks, but we love him. You know, he's a great villain and we're following him and like, but there's sympathy because of his past and things he's gone through that have turned him into a villain as like, as in he's how he's reacted to to his past and how he's reacted to the trauma and the things that he's faced and gone through in life and you're just following his rise to power throughout the show. Now there is, there is a direction that the show could take in this final episode where it can completely deconstruct the character and I'm like, I've been worried that they're going to go that direction, but so far they haven't. He has been, you know, building his empire, he's, he's faced a lot of opposition. Like there's, there's been real stakes involved in the show that like, you feel each and every episode that keeps the tension, it's intense, it's got good action, but also really good dialogue. Like there's a, this is really, it's a diet, pretty dialogue driven show and you're just so intrigued and so interested in these characters. And then Sophia Falcone's character, she's been really well handled where she like they make clear like this is the villain of, she's like, she's the villain of the penguin show, but she's, but she's like a complete psychopath and they've established that really well, but she's like also likeable in some senses, but she's also very feminine that they're, they've not like turned her into a man, she's not like beating up penguins, she's not beating him in a fistfight, you know, she's, she's not showing up really other men necessarily. And she, she has a lot of feminine attributes and like how she reacts and how she emotes and different scenarios in different ways where she like there are times where she breaks down in a way that a woman would in the situation that she found herself in and, and they make that very clear and like shows that she's also, she's vulnerable, like a woman, but she's, she's been dealt pretty terrible cards in her life and she's reacted in such a way that she's become the villain, she's turned herself into this villain and done so willingly and taken the wrong path and it makes it very clear and established throughout the show. Now like I said, there is a direction they go in this final episode that completely ruin both characters and I hope they don't, I don't think they will and I'm very curious how they're going to set up the next Batman movie, which is kind of seemingly what, where they're going and where it's, what it's setting up so who knows, I, there was, there was something that happened at the end of last episode that kind of like warrants Batman showing up like Batman has to show up now because like everything up to this point, like it makes sense that Batman kind of remained in the shadows and not show up, but now it's like, okay, Batman needs to show up. So I'm curious to do see what they're going to do in this last episode if he's actually going to show up or if it's going to be like, you know, towards the end of the episode and like, you know, penguins man or like saying, oh, oh no, it's the bat, he's here and like you here in the background, like guys getting beat up and stuff and you don't ever actually see Batman but penguins like, okay, I'm out of here, something like that and like, that would be really cool if they handle it that way or if he actually shows up, I'd be fine with that too. Like, it would make sense and I, you know, kind of hope he does, but yeah, so we'll see. But speaking along those lines, they also announced which is really interesting and I'm not sure how I feel about it yet, but they're going to supposedly, they're going to do another spin off show, but they're going to do it with the Joker. I can't remember the actor's name but the Joker at the end credits or whatever of the Batman, he's supposed to have his own show, which I mean, I don't, I don't know, like, I don't know how they're going to do that and what direction they would take it. It'd be kind of guessing like an origin story to the Joker, which I don't know if we really need more of that. Well, yeah, also the issue of like, why are they expanding on this universe of, of Batman when it's not even the one that James Gunn wants to use for his, his main universe? Like, right? What are they doing? He wants this to happen. Yeah. But why, why do they, they should not recast Batman again and do this all over again? Like, just use this universe. It's already there. So what it's not yours, stopping so arrogant and wanting it to be all your own universe. Like, get over it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if they were going to try to keep it, this universe alive, separate from James Gunn's Batman stuff and they're going to do both, but like, what I would love is if it all just, maybe this is where they're going, this is all just transitioned into a TV show. The Batman, like Robert Patterson's Batman, or just, just get rid of Robert Patterson if he doesn't want to do a TV show. Just hire some low budget, like cheap actor who can play Batman and do like, expand upon the penguin, do a Batman show, do a paint, do a Joker show, fine. And just do these, to keep it all in TV, like this is DC's TV show, universe, you know? And completely separate from everything. I was like, I would, that would be so awesome. Do it on HBO Max, just expand upon the universe in that way. It doesn't conflict with the movies, doesn't conflict with James Gunn stuff, and it can be really good. Like, come on, pretty sure for it. Maybe that's what they're doing with announcing the Joker show, like, because the penguin's really successful, it's getting a lot of views, it's a lot of talk. No one's upset about it, everyone pretty much likes it. Like, I haven't heard a negative thing about it. And so it's like, keep, expand upon that. Go with what works. Yeah, for sure. Hmm. That's interesting. Nosferatu, the, you know, Dracula spin-off movie coming out on Christmas Day. We got some more photos of that. I'm so stoked for it. Looks really good. What's his first name? Scarsgard? Is it Bill Scarsgard? I can't remember. One of the Scarsgard brothers. The one that's in John Wick 4, he's playing Nosferatu, so Dracula. And he got Willem Dafoe, you got, ah, what's his name? The guy that's going to be playing Lex Luthor in James Gunn's universe, Nicholas Holt. Nicholas Holt? Yeah. He's in it. There's a few other actors. It's just, just seeing more images of it. It looks really cool, it's a good, cool period piece. It looks scary, spooky, like, I'm excited about it. It'd be interesting to see where they go with it and how well they handle it. Yeah. And it just keeps seeing more, there's more stuff being released about it. And yep, to come out Christmas Day. So. Yeah. Let's see. Oh, that goes. Yeah, that sounds good. Exciting. Brave New World, Captain America, Black African Captain. And not America 4 is Brave New World is still coming out. We got a, I don't know if it was an official poster. I mean, it's one of the official posters that Marvel's released. Yeah. And. Well, they also released. They released a trailer today. Oh, did it really? Yeah. I totally missed it. Maybe it could have been, it could not been today. I don't know. But there was a new trailer released at some point, there was a new trailer released and I watched it today. Okay. So. What do you think? They are really, really like trying to make this like the Winter Soldier, like the movie, The Winter Soldier. Yeah. Because there's supposed to be like some secret organization within the government that's taking over and they're trying to figure out what's going on. You know, like they know how successful that movie is and how much everybody likes it. But they're not doing it at all, how, like that's not why people liked it because it was, you know, a secret government thing within the government. And so they're not getting it. Right. And that's what they're going for and it just looks dumb, I don't know. Zero interest. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, there's nothing that's like there to hook you and to be like, you know, remember Marvel of old and you know, this is kind of the new, this is for the new generation. But like we're still continuing the story and, you know, we won't follow these characters like, no, you're not giving that to us and it doesn't look good. It's not exciting about it. Oh. Yeah. What do you think of the poster? So many things wrong with it a lot. You know, just, I don't know if it's just Disney in general or what, but I think they've just completely decided to ignore all laws of physics, just completely in general. Just they don't care what physics say. They just, they say anything can catch on fire. Anything can make sparks even if you're in space, even if you're in space, even if you're a rock wall, even if, yeah, even if you're flesh against metal, it'll spark. Yeah, apparently the Red Hulk's made a metal or something like we remember age of Ultron when Hulk punched the, the, or maybe it was, maybe it was the original Avengers. I don't know. One of the Avengers, Hulk punches the shield and what happens? Oh, it makes shockwaves. It doesn't spark, makes shockwaves vibration. What the heck are those sparks on the shield? Where'd they come from? And Trent, what's the other major problem with it? It's two ton, maybe more. I don't know how much he weighs, like, what is a lot? I don't know, not too ton, but yeah, the, the gamma radiated super soldier, Hulk massive beast of a, of a person is punching a mere human being that, you know, isn't even that ripped, you know, doesn't got much, doesn't got a whole lot of muscle mass and is not a super soldier. So they're interesting, you know, uh, you know, Mark Ruffalo's Hulk, he can, he could punch, sorry, Mark Ruffalo's Hulk, Bruce Banner can punch Captain America and Captain America can stand his ground. But when you got the Red Hulk or any Hulk punching Sam Wilson, who is not a super soldier, who is just a human being, um, he's flying, he's getting pummeled into the ground, he is dead. And the comments on, on X, uh, under their official posts are hilarious. It's just like one afternoon, I was like, uh, yeah, he's dead, um, uh, something's missing here. Uh, people are saying like, uh, where's Captain America? Uh, what, what, what is this that we're, what, what is this and, and just like completely trashing it because it, it, that's, that's what Marvel's become. It's something that we laugh at that we make fun of. And then when the movies come out, they don't make any money. Yeah. But just to see like, like the, there, there's no logic in any of it, you know, we, you know, we can, of course, we can, um, you know, extend logic in some way. These are superheroes iron man cannot physically survive his, his suit. If it was actually real, like he would, he would die in that suit that he would not, his body would not be able to sustain the G's, the force. And then the sudden stopping and flying around and all that stuff. He would die. We get it. Fine. It's still fun. It's still cool. But when you have something like this where the Hulk is punching, uh, well, and well, there's some pre-established thing of like when you get punched by the Hulk. You die. You don't, you, you, you, you go flying. Yeah. Okay. Even Loki had a hard time with the Hulk. Like, come on. So it's, it's, it's really, it's dumb. This is what Marvel's become. Yeah. For sure. Well, yeah, even, even Thor had trouble with the Hulk. Yeah. Right. Thor Ragnarok. Like that was. Yeah. Thor Ragnarok. Yeah. He literally punches him and he was flying. Yeah. Uh, I can't, I kind of can't wait for this movie. Uh, it's going to be hilarious. Yeah. So. Yeah. All right. So. So. Hey, do you have anything else? Uh, not really. Okay. I want to quickly just briefly talk about a movie that you and I both saw, um, and that is a new movie that is out called Heretic, a new horror movie. I just want to hear your initial overall thoughts. Like first, did you like it? Did you enjoy it? Yeah. It was an enjoyable movie. For sure. It was very suspenseful. I mean, I was at the edge of my seat most of the time, like, very, um, like I just want to know like, it is very suspenseful and kept me totally kept my attention the whole time for sure. Totally. Um, so this, this movie is a, it's a religious horror, um, but it's, it's, it's a unique religious horror because it's following, uh, two Mormons, uh, which is something I don't think it's ever probably ever been done, at least in like, like, you know, big Hollywood, somewhat Hollywood. I mean, this is a 24. So they're, they do a lot like they sport like indie directors and writers and so forth. Um, the, the two guys that wrote and directed, I think they wrote it and directed this movie. They've worked on other movies like, um, Oh, well, a quiet place. So they, they were, um, I think they were writers on a quiet place and, um, they've done a few other, um, kind of horror-esque thriller movies and, uh, and whatnot. So anyways, uh, religious horror, but it's a really interesting concept where pretty much two female Mormon missionaries are going throughout the town trying to convert people and they meet this one guy and, or, or he, uh, you know, he goes online and says, Hey, I'd like, I'd like someone to come in and tell me about, uh, you know, your religion. Tell me about Mormonism, about the LDS, um, so you, because you can do that and they'll come knock on your door and, you know, you can write them in and so forth, um, which they do and not going to get in the whole plot, but the, for one, like, what do you think of Hugh Grant, like Hugh Grant's character? Uh, at first it was kind of weird saying Hugh Grant in a role like that. Yeah. But after I got over that, like, he nailed it. Like, he was creepy. Yes. He, that was probably one of the best horror villains I've ever seen. Yeah. I've ever seen. And he did an incredible job and played this character that was so like eerie and intimidating and threatening, but also like he was really welcoming to these girls. He's very, like at first he seems like very kind and respectable and, and even times throughout the film where he like can switch on a, on a dime and like act like, you know, just like a normal person and like a really like older, warm kind man, you know, and he's like, find these girls in, he's like giving them blueberry pie and you know, and, and just want, and wanting to have dialogue with them and, and, and whatnot, but like, but like when he like asked that quest, that one question about polygamy, that's where I think like it really started to really shift and then talk about acting. The two girls that acted in this film that played the two sisters, they were incredible. Like they drove a lot of the suspense and a lot of the tension, just how they were reacting to the situation, the, the, the utter horror and terror that they were dealing with and facing and the stress and anxiety. Like you felt it coming off of them and like you were, feel like you were in the, in the movie with them. And, and just how the camera, the, the cinematography was incredible where the cameras would pan like onto their face and is like really close-ups, both of Hugh Grant and the sisters and so forth. Yeah. Oh, it was just so incredible and it's really, it's really dialogue driven. So there's not a whole lot of horror elements till you get to like kind of the third act, but, but at the same time, not really like it's like there, there are horror elements because there's, you don't know what's going to happen and you know, he kind of takes them throughout their house. And you never know what's behind the other, the next door, what, what's down the hallway. Like that one scene with the statue, like at, at the bottom of the staircase, like that, like that was, you know, that was horrifying because you just, you think there's someone standing there or like they think it's, it's Mr. Mr. Reed, which is interesting. Mr. Reed, like sounds like mystery, which really, I don't know if that like, that's something I caught on to is like, Oh, under if that has anything to do with it because like, he is a mystery. You don't know who this guy is and what he's about. Yeah. You know, he, you know, he tells them that like, Oh, his wife's in, in the kitchen baking pie and, you know, and so he keeps talking about his wife and he, and he comes in, like, they say, Oh, can, can we please see your wife because like we're supposed to have a, a female presence when we go into a man's house, which makes sense. And they're always like, yeah, let me go talk to her. Let me go see what she's doing and stuff. Um, so, oh yeah, the, the question about polygamy and then the, the blueberry pie candle. Now, oh, I, I don't know if you heard about this in other theaters, but they did this for one night, like the opening night, which I saw it Thursday night. They scented the entire theater to smell like blueberry. Wow. So I had, I heard that they were doing that in some theaters, but I thought you had to let it was like a special thing and like only like, like a few select theaters are doing and you had to pay like extra to go do the sensory one. There are some that were actually serving blueberry pie, like, you know, while they serve food. Yeah. My theater doesn't. They just do normal. Yeah. Movie theater snacks, but they were actually serving blueberry pie, but for mine, they actually scented the theater. Really? The whole movie. It smelled like blueberry pie and it like it created a lot more like eariness and like kind of like that's crazy added to the horror aspect because it didn't feel right, but and I didn't like catch on right away. It was when I was eating my popcorn, I was like, something doesn't taste right. Like something's awesome. Like popcorn. Like I don't know why, like, and like I have to have popcorn. I'm seeing it when I'm in the movie theater, like I'm curious if I just missed it, like if I, if it did, and I just didn't, couldn't tell, I feel like maybe I, oh, so one thing I want to tell you. So our theater was packed, like completely full, like completely. Yeah. Like I was very surprised. I haven't been in a full theater for any movie other than like some big Marvel movie or something in a long time. Yeah. Like Depo movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was very interesting to see how full it was. Right. Yeah. Mine too. Yeah. Um, and my, like, my theater isn't fill up a lot. I, I was in a college town and, but yeah, it was, it was packed. Apparently this movie is doing really well. It's got really good reviews and stuff. But yeah. So like I had heard that they were doing that in different theaters and that was like it really kind of like surprised me when I started smelling blueberry pie in a theater. And it was just, I think it started when, when he let the candle tip, if I remember correctly. That's so cool. That's such a cool concept that people haven't gone into. It is. I love it so much. It's adds to the, the already kind of immersive theater experience. I was in one of the smaller theaters. So they, they are at ours, like the smaller ones have really good surround sound. And so that was really cool. Yeah. Um, man, I, I'd like, like that was one of my, one of the best, like horror movie theater experiences I've ever had. Um, but like, you know, make top five, like theater experiences. I just, I had a great time and I was, I was so invested in the story. I was so intrigued. Yeah. I'm like wondering where this is going. For sure. Again, support. Yeah. It was cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A 24. They, they sometimes have good hits. Um, a lot of their movies, they're, they're very popular. A lot of people are real big, A 24 fans. But for me, I've maybe seen like three or four movies from them that I really like. I mean, they have tons of movies. They make tons of movies. And I think that's why they do sometimes have good hits because of how many they may make. So like, you're just naturally, I mean, if, if you, if you're good at what you do, like you'll eventually have a hit and, and they're good at what they do for sure. But a lot of their movies have nudity and stuff and some I've just, I haven't been interested in even watching, but yeah, some of their older stuff, like, uh, I don't know if you've seen Locke, it's with, uh, Tom Hardy, the entire movie takes place in a car and he's just driving the entire time. That's a good one. Yeah. That was by them. I don't know. I can't think of anything else that I really, that was really, that I really liked. But yeah. Oh, did you catch who played the, the, the elder from, from the Mormon church who came like knocking on who that was? It was tow, tow for a grace, really? Yeah. Don't forget, it's a 70s show, yeah, yeah, interesting, I didn't, I didn't even catch it. I did not recognize them at all. Yeah. Oh, the iron claw was also an a 24 film. Oh, was it? Have we talked about that one? Yeah. Yeah, we talked about it. Have you seen it? Yeah, we've talked about it. Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. After you, you had mentioned it on her podcast, then I went and saw it. Right. Yeah. So I don't think we've talked about it since you've seen it. But anyways, another time, yeah, like, so what, what did you think, just briefly, without spoiling it, I guess, I'm going to do a mini review of heretic later on our Patreon. We might release it to the public. We're not sure. We'll figure that out later. But if you want, if you definitely want to hear it, subscribe, subscribe to our Patreon. Yeah. I'll give my review of it, but just thinking about religious horror and how they handled religion throughout the film, how do you think it concluded? What was the overall message you think like the, maybe the, let's say the directors and the writers were trying to get across at the end of the film? I think it's left up to interpretation, I think, in a lot of ways, but I was, I'm curious how you thought that was handled. Yeah. I haven't, I've, I've thought about it a little bit. I mean, I watched it last night. Yeah. Last night. Oh. So very fresh. Sure. Yeah, this movie is, I mean, it was crazy. I think that was kind of the point is that it's supposed to be left up to interpretation and they didn't want any, they weren't giving any main points. I think I was thinking about just like an average, average viewer, what would they take away from it? And I think it just in general, it would put a bad light on just any religion at all. But if you look at it and you see what they did in the end, I would say they say that it was a point that, because she, one of her last comments was that, you know, prayer doesn't work, but then she prayed and then it worked. So it's like, well, yeah, prayer does work. And yeah, I know it was, it was, it was very much, I mean, it was sort of, it was a test of faith movie, like, you know, because that's what the whole movie was. This guy was testing their faith and, and then trying to convince them of all kinds of different things, even like, even in the, like, you're just wondering, like, what, like, what does this guy believe? You know, he's talking about a one true religion and, and then he, he gets to the point, spoilers where he, he says that the one true religion is, is a control, and that's what the point of every religion is, is to control people and, um, I don't know, it's a, it's a test of faith movie and he's testing their faith and, and I would say the, the one girl that died, she failed, uh, in, in having faith, like, she just, her faith wasn't there fully and then the other girl, her faith was stronger and, and yeah, she just endured to the end really because I think she, she did have that faith and I think even when she was telling him that faith doesn't work, I think she was trying to, I mean, the prayer doesn't work. I think she was trying to convince him but didn't believe it because she ended up praying and then, then it worked and so, I don't know, it's interesting. Right. And like, because, because both their faiths were tested, like you had the, the choice of the door, you know, belief or disbelief and the girl that, you know, makes it out in the end, she chose disbelief originally because she's like, oh, this is what he wants us to do. He wants us to, you know, admit that, oh, he's convinced us. He's, you know, he showed us that, okay, we're, we're, our religion is, is the wrong religion and so forth and the other girl is like, oh, no, belief, like we need to stand upon our belief, um, and like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I think, I think I would say she failed in the end and then the whole new resurrection thing where she comes back and then saves her friend, there's a lot to kind of interpret in that and unpack in that. Um, I've, I've, I've seen some eighth, like, atheist saying, oh, this movie gives a great case for atheism and shows that, you know, all religion, all religion is fake and, and follows some, you know, counterfeits of the rich of the, well, sorry, showing my hand, my hand, my hand there, um, that they're all just counterfeits, they're, they're all just, you know, they, you know, they're, they're all fake, um, and, and it's all about control and it's like, well, no, if, if, if that were the case, then this movie would edit completely differently. It wouldn't have ended, you know, her making her way out into the snow and being, you know, saved and rescued and the villain being defeated and crushed and killed, um, and him kind of being proven wrong in the end, which he was, and they also forget it's like, guys, if you're, if you're siding with the villain, um, and you're the villain, like you're, you're missing the point of the story, like he is the bad guy. He is the one that is, is presenting his view of the world and presenting his case. He's the serpent. He's lying. He's speaking like half God really said and, um, he's the one that you shouldn't be agreeing with or, or, and so forth. Now, he makes points that some people can say are good points. I, I, I, I kind of wish he would have done a better job at like combating religion as far as like an apology at same point and like getting to apologize arguments, which I love and I can enjoy it. It's like, cause you know, he brings up the God horse, um, and saying how horse was, you know, crucified and resurrected and he is born on December 25th. And the problem with that is, um, the, the, the myth of horse has been disproven in time and time again. Like there is zero account and zero, like historic Egyptian writings that say that horse was crucified and resurrected and that he was born on December 25th. So that's false. Yeah. Yeah. That, yeah. That's kind of like the point though is like, so these girls, they weren't. That's what they had to learn was to fight him with knowledge. That was one of the points of the movie because they, at that point, they weren't fighting him with knowledge. And then later on they were so, uh, but that's what that's what he was doing to was testing them. Like he was like throwing all these things. Like he probably knew that like he probably knew that like the character. And so like he probably wanted them to, to fight back and, and, uh, yeah, I don't know. Sure. Yeah. That's good point. And like I appreciate it with the, how the girl responded, uh, when she kind of combated him on that, on those theories that she said that just because there's similarities, doesn't meet, doesn't disprove religion, doesn't disprove Christianity because, you know, porous is it, it's got the head of a, of a, of a bird, you know, and, and he, you know, he's, he's not Jesus, you know, and, and like there are, that's the thing is like there are stories of death and resurrection all throughout history, um, because we've, and we've talked about this many times that's, that's how God tells stories through death and resurrection. There are stories of death and resurrection pictures of that foretelling, uh, the coming of Christ and foreshadowing the coming of Christ all throughout the Old Testament, but also all throughout history, because that's how God tells stories through the grave and what, and, and, and, um, people going into the grave and then coming out of it resurrected new life. That's what he did to the world and the days of Noah, which, you know, all there's so much in this movie I want to own back. Um, you know, when he mentions Noah at the beginning of the film, when it starts raining, it's down pouring. And also she says, remember the one elder said it's time to get your baptism. Now they're talking about like, you know, she wants to baptize someone, but it was like, it was kind of saying that, you know, you're about to be baptized because they're going into the house. They're going into the ark. They're going to die. Uh, it's just clear imagery, like, you know, where the ark is actually used in scripture as a, as a representation of baptism, death through, death through life, go into, you know, Moses, or Noah and his family go into the ark and they are saved through the wall, uh, while the waters crash over them and so forth, the, the ark takes them through safely and then they come out alive, death and resurrection, they're, they're, it's raining upon them and she's saying time to get your baptism. They go inside. Well, he, and he mentions, oh, which is like Noah is in the flood and, and they go into the ark, but this is an arc of death. You know, he's saying come in, come into my place of refuge, um, and then they have to go and then they ascend deeper and deeper into the house, down into the grave death. And then she comes out resurrected, it's snowing. It's not raining anymore. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. So much imagery, so much cool things. Like, I love this movie, um, there's problems with it, a lot of issues, you know, but even then it's like, it's not an apology for Mormonism. I actually think it makes it very clear that Mormonism is a false man, just because it is counterfeit. It's exactly what they, what he's saying it is with the whole monopoly game analogy because Joseph Smith was, um, a plagiarist, um, he did take Christianity and remade it into his own, how he wanted it to be hundreds of years later after Christ. Yeah. And, and even the whole thing of plague and be, he, like, he, and it was very clear that Mormonism is a religion of control and it's all about obtaining, uh, a, um, a glorification. It's about, you know, you have to live the right life. You have to live in obedience and, and, uh, conjure up enough righteousness so that you can reach the highest heavens and become your own God and have your own control in your own world. But it is a, it is a religion of control. Christianity on the other hand is not a religion of control, uh, which is something that the, the movie kind of, I think, subliminally can, can does say, um, and how it ends, but, um, it's not, it doesn't explicitly say it, but Christianity is not a religion of control because the God of all the universe came down and became a man. He humbled himself to the point of, of being a man and then point of death on the cross. He came and bore our sins. He came and, and, and entered our miserable state, um, the opposite of control. He gave up control and then died bearing our sins, our crimes against God. He descended into hell. He descended into the grave and then defeated death and rose again from the grave, defeating Satan, crushing the head of the serpent, the one that speaks lies, the ones that comes out and says that, you know, religion is all about control that God is all about controlling you. And he just wants you to, to, um, to be his, his little, um, um, slave and so forth and whatever, um, whatever lies that you could say, like, and, or, or like, you know, you, the lies of like you can become God, you can have control, you can do this, which is the lie of Mormonism, um, but he, he, Christ came down, died and then rose victoriously, tearing down the, the wall, the dividing wall between God and man so that we can be set free and not, you know, be under control, but set free to serve and follow our king, our savior, who came to die for us, um, and who, the one who vanquished and defeated Satan once and for all, for all time. So anyways, that's, these, this is why I like movies like this, because it, it creates a conversation that is worth having and that we should have that people should have. And it gets people to think, um, I think maybe this movie, you're right, like some people can, like just a general viewer can interpret it as like, oh, religion is all about control and it's fate, false and fake, but it's like, no, it's not, it's not actually the story that's been pulled here. Because if they, if they did, they did a really bad job at telling that in that way. Yeah. For sure. So. Sweet. This is also why Mormonism is becoming real, it's becoming more liberal. Um, in fact, Utah is becoming more blue after the election. If you look at the, um, how, how Utah voted, um, it's becoming more blue because, because Mormonism is all about control and they're, they're all about bending the knee to the culture in order to become, to remain relevant. That's the thing of polygamy. The reason that they denounce polygamy is because it was, was it culturally relevant to any more. Um, and so in order to control their people and control the masses and spread their religion, they, you know, bow to the culture and to, and so forth. And that's one thing that we don't do as Christians, uh, there shouldn't do as Christians. So. Anyways. Yep. Good movie. Yeah. For sure. I want more like this. Like I said, it's dialogue, mostly dialogue driven, but it's, but it's horrifying. It's terrifying. These girls are locked inside this man's house. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. And can't escape. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot to it. Um, yes. There is. Yeah. Did you have anything else you wanted to talk about? Um, kind of, I think I'm going to say this in my, the conversation that I want to have maybe for next time, just, I think, you know, we're not a political show, but, but the election is really shown and revealed a lot of things about our culture this year. I think this, yeah, I want to have this conversation another time, but 2024 was the year that Wokism died. It hit it. It. They've tried. They've pushed these movies. They've pushed their TV shows. Their agendas in these shows, in these movies, and the stories they want to tell and, and they've failed over and over again, going all the way back to the beginning of the year with the Marvels, which bombed with, um, how many of the movies came out this year, uh, Furiosa, um, Madam Webb, Joker, uh, and TV shows like the Acolyte, Agatha Echo, uh, rings of power, uh, all the, all these shows, all these projects, like, you know, great. You guys had fun telling your stories and, and pushing all these things out there, um, but they failed. They failed miserably. No one wants to see these things. No one cares about, about any of these, these, these, these stories that you're trying to tell your, you are, you are these Hollywood elites that are living in your own world, and you don't understand how the real world works. And it shows. So anyways, conversation for the other day, as we're getting to the end of 2024, I think reflecting upon this year is really helpful and good and things that we should do and just realize, look what, what, where we've come from this year and then look at the movies that have been successful, um, and compare that to what we, what we're seeing inside out to, you know, it didn't have really all its agendas that, all agendas that they wanted to push, um, rightly wasn't a lesbian, and guess what, it's the highest grossing animated film of all time. Okay. We've talked about that already, but still it's like, that's just an example, a clear example, especially with, within Disney, okay, but also with the, the whole meltdown after the election, the liberals just losing their absolute minds and just the, the shock that they're going through as they realize, um, the results of the election, it's just hilarious and it's evident that, like, that, that wokeism, um, critical race theory, progressivism and secular ism, is dying or is dead, um, because it's not what people want, it's not, it's, it's not grounded in reality, it, and it has to die, you know, and we know that it's going to die, it can't last, it doesn't, it doesn't produce fruit, it doesn't produce life, it doesn't tell, uh, good stories, doesn't tell stories the way the, the, um, that reflect how the world is. So anyways. Yeah. I'm not going to get too much more into that, but yeah, just really interesting. For sure. Yeah. Definitely. So. I have a question, a fun question for us, just to finish this off, you, you recently finished all the conjuring films. Yeah. So if you were to rank your top three conjuring universe films, what would they be? Oh man. Um, it's off the top of your head. Well the conjuring one would be my top, um, try and remember, uh, Annabelle would probably be my second try, I remember how about conjuring, conjuring two. What do you think? Where that one? Um, top three. It's all right. It wasn't. I wouldn't say it was my top three, um, yeah, I didn't really, I wasn't a huge fan of that. The two nun movies were awful, um, like, yeah, but fun. I mean, good. They have good horror. I think like some of the best horror in the franchise. Yeah. Terrible stories. Yeah. Yeah. And not good movies. Yeah. Like you can tell they weren't, uh, based on true stories. I'm going to like the other ones. Definitely not. Um, yeah, you can tell those were made up, uh, right. I really liked, uh, the Curse of La Llorona, I don't know, a lot of them blend together now. I can't, I don't. Right. I don't know. I've only seen, I can't remember if I like how much I liked the other two Annabelle movies. Oh, the first, the Annabelle comes home, the, well, maybe I do the, oh, no, that's the first Annabelle. They all just blend together this. Right. Cause the second one is the creation. It's, you know, it's set in that, uh, foster home. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. The, and the third one is, um, it follows their dot, the Warren's daughter. Oh, yeah. So it's in the Warren's house. Yeah. That's right. I don't, I don't, that was the third Annabelle movie. Right. I liked it. Yeah. Annabelle comes home. Yeah. That one wasn't that great. The, what was the second Annabelle movie? Annabelle creations. Oh, okay. And the foster. Oh, yeah. Or the orphanage or whatever. Oh, okay. Yeah. I kind of remember that one. Um, yeah. Now the last conjuring movie, that wasn't too bad. Um, actually watched it, uh, today. Oh, really? Yeah. Cause I wonder why, I wonder why someone stands in a while and at just case, cause I knew you'd watched them all. Yeah. I wanted to maybe talk about it. Yeah. Um, that one wasn't too bad. Uh, so I don't know, I don't know what would be my third. Like, they, I feel like after the, after the first two, it kind of all, except for the none movies that really sucked, I feel like they were all kind of, uh, the same level. Um, but I, I, I did like Laudlerona pretty, I liked that one. It was pretty good. Um, it was a lot about, it was about a mother and her children and, and what she would do for her children and, and it was, it was a good story for sure. Um, I can't remember how I ended, um, yeah, I can't remember if, yeah, with these movies, it's, yeah. But the third conjuring, I liked that one. That was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Having just in the third one, but, and only seeing the second one once in a while ago, I remember liking the second one as a horror movie, of course there are elements of it that I didn't like, but I, I don't know, I feel like the first one is really good and all the other ones kind of, they, I don't know, they, they just kind of, they blend together and some of them are good, but, you know, they're really Hollywood eyes, yeah. The problem I have the third, with the third one is how it ends, where it's just, you know, the only, the thing that casts out the demon or, you know, that, um, that, uh, gets rid of the witch or whatever is their love for, or breaks the curse is their love for one another. You know, it's, you know, true love, uh, wins at the end and it's like, okay, fine. Okay. But. That's not how we deal with the demonic. No, but so there, there was a, with that one, there's a lot to dig in with that one because that one wasn't as much a demon as it was a witch. Like it, what, all the other ones, they're directly interacting with a demon with that one. They were interacting with a witch. So they weren't actually interacting with a demon. So it was very, it was very different playing grounds, um, because they, they were dealing with a witch and her curses and stuff like that. And so like, they broke the curse, but with their love, but, um, it sounds cheesy, it's, I don't, I don't think it's as cheesy in the movie as sure as we're saying it, but, uh, yeah. So there, that I did like that it was different than all the other ones because it was a witch and not a demon and, and she had placed a curse on them and, um, yeah, and the love between a husband and a wife, you know, like does break the curse. Okay. Yeah. You might have convinced me now that you got it more because you're right. It wasn't a demon that they were necessarily dealing with, I'm trying to even now remember. So because the, the kid at the beginning, he, was he technically not possessed by a demon? It was the curse that was put upon him. Yeah. So the whole movie was the curse. It was a curse. It was a curse. Yeah. The whole movie was curses. It was never, it was never a demon. I mean, what she was doing was demonic and she, she was interacting. Yeah. Yeah. She's interacting with demons, but the warrants and all the victims were dealing with a witch and her curses that she was placing on them and, and yeah. So it was, it was a witch craft that they were dealing with and, and not demons. Right. I did, I did like that one better, uh, the second time around watching it than I did before, uh, when I first watched it. So, you know, I, I thought it was, you know, the script was pretty straightforward. There are some aspects of it that were like, you know, maybe things that could have been taken out a little longer than the other ones that felt like and yeah, and there was like, there was one scene, I don't know it, there, there was one green screen scene. I, I, one thing I realized is that core movies shouldn't do green screens. Like if you can't, you know, do CGI or do practical, like don't, don't do green screen because it really takes you out of the film. Oh, when they're on the cliff. Yeah. Like when the, and then he falls off. Yeah. It's clearly green screen. It's just like, it took me, it really took me out of the film. I was like, oh, come on. It doesn't look right. You know, yeah, just, it just shows like, you know, this is a bigger budget film. But then the more, the bigger the budget, the less real it ends up looking sometimes. Yeah. So anyway, it's like, yeah, that's just, that's one thing I know is like, nope, core movies should not use green screen most of the time for the most part. Don't do it. Yeah. For sure. Unless it's like sci-fi horror. But yeah. Yeah. So cool. Interesting. Well, yeah, we don't have time to do a tier list for our animated films. So I think we should probably close this one. Yeah. That's fine. That's alright. Yeah. Well, this ended up being a horror film episode. Yep. It is. Yeah. It's kind of what we've been into lately. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Which is fun. It's good. Yep. Sometimes better than talking about the horror of Disney and Marvel and all these things. Yeah. For sure. Which we still talked about. Yeah. Cool. I didn't want to don't even expand on it too much. Yeah. Well, thank you guys for listening. Trent's going to do a extended mini review on Heretic, the newest A24 film. Actually, there's two A24 films in theaters right now. The one with the Andrew Garfield. But Heretic. Yeah. Yeah. So kind of like what we talked about in this episode. That's kind of a tease for what we kind of do in our mini reviews that we have on our patreon. So if you're interested in more of that, listen to more of our reviews of stuff, head over there at patreon.com/thepalbroz. We have, and we're on 33 episodes of mini reviews. Wow. So there's 33 movies on there that we've reviewed. So yeah. We have tons of movies. And we take recommendations as well. So yeah. Thank you guys for listening. Hope you enjoyed this episode and we'll see you next week. Thanks. Yeah.