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Crumbley Parents Get 10-15 Years: Toby Leary Reacts | 4.9.24 - The Grace Curley Show Hour 3

It's 2A Tuesday on the Grace Curley Show, and how timely it is that Toby Leary joins the show to provide his opinion on the breaking Crumbley verdict, where the parents of a school shooter were convicted of four counts of manslaughter. Then, callers have their gun questions answered, so tune in to learn some firearm facts!

Duration:: 38m
Broadcast on:: 09 Apr 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

Today's podcast is brought to you by Howie's new book Paperboy. To order today, go to HowieCarShow.com and click on store. Live from the Aviva Trattoria studio, it's The Grace Curly Show. We've got to bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice, Grace Curly. You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. Especially Grace, raise stand up. Here's the millennial with the mic, Grace Curly. There are too many stories today. I'm not going to have time to get to all of them, Jared. We were just talking about the Dearborn Death to America voters. The Joe Biden is following around saying, "Please like me. Please do anything to make you happy." There's another story that the FBI found or has charged a guy for wanting to... He had an ISIS plot that he was going to take out on churchgoers. The media is not making a big thing. You won't see that headline on CNN or MSNBC or the Washington Post. They might give it a little something on the bottom of the page, but they're not going to make a federal case over it because he doesn't have a MAGA hat on. I'm sure that guy's more of a Joe Biden guy than a Donald Trump guy. The media acts accordingly, as we know. There are a few things I want to get to. Jared, I have to say, for a producer, you very rarely tell me that I have to play something. Jared's pretty much like, "You give me full reign and you'll chime in, but you don't feel that passionately about cuts all the time." When I was back there today in the green room, you said to me, "You have to play the Sheila Jackson lee cut. Give people a little info on what happened here." We've already heard today from the person I consider to be the foremost expert on climate change, Sonny Hostin, telling us that the cicadas, or as she calls them, the cicadas and the solar clips, and what was the other thing, the earthquake, that that's all a sign of climate change, even though none of those things are actually due to climate change. And now Sheila Jackson Lee is saying, "Hold my beer, Sonny. I'm here to tell you about climate." Well, it's not actually about climate. It was about the eclipse yesterday. This video started making the rounds late last night. Oh, she's weighing in on the solar eclipse. Yes. So Sheila Jackson Lee, the Democrat representative from Texas '18, you may remember from her voicemail where she was calling out Boo-Boo and S-Face and FA and all these other people. She was not shaming people. And she fad-shamed her staff because they missed an appointment. Well, she's not... She prefers to berate her staff via voicemail as opposed to Lori Lightfoot who prefers to do it via email. So everyone has their own ways, their own methods. Well, she was getting ready for the eclipse like most people yesterday. And so she was giving people kind of an expectation of what they could expect. And while doing so, just gave an astronomy lesson for the ages. I mean, I think around Houston, which is the birthplace of the space program. So here we go. This is Sheila Jackson Lee. Let's provide unique light and energy so that you have the energy of the moon at night. And sometimes you've heard the word full moon. Sometimes you need to take the opportunity just to come out and see. A full moon is that complete rounded circle, which is made up mostly of gases. And that's why the question is why or how could we as humans live on the moon? Are the gases such that we could do that? The sun is a mighty powerful heat that is almost impossible to go near the sun. The moon is more manageable and you will see in a moment, or not a moment, you'll see in a couple of years that NASA is going back to the moon. Now here's my question. Where is she delivering this? It sounds like she's outside. Yeah, she was outside. It looked like it was like an eclipse viewing event. I don't know. There was a podium set up, so it was OK. This leads to my next question, sir. My line of questioning does have a point here. Do we think someone wrote this down for her? Was this a prepared statement? I don't know, but I also didn't know the moon was made of gas. So that's my bad. I mean, all the Star Trek and Star Wars that I've watched. I should have known the moon was made of gas. And you know what? I thought it was made of blue cheese. Well, no, everybody knows that the moon isn't made of cheese. But if it was... Hi, now Ken, we all know that the moon is not made of green cheese. Yes, that's true, Harry. But what if it were made of barbecue spare ribs? Would you eat it then? What? I know I would. Heck, I'd have seconds. Then polish it off with a tall, cool bunwise. Harry, Harry. Can't beat it. Yeah, I'm just... You know what part of this is to you with the solar eclipse? And I promise, you know, we put out a video yesterday, and somebody commented, "OK, now can we move on?" And I said, "I would." And you guys know there's nothing I love more than to lie to you. Shut up about the sun. Shut up about the sun! But here's the last thing I will say. Just because it's a solar eclipse, it does not mean that we expect our elected officials to become experts on the solar eclipse. You know what I mean? There was nothing about the solar eclipse. Just put on your glasses like everybody else and enjoy the three minutes that you're not working. I mean, government officials, you definitely are used to having a couple breaks during the day. But just enjoy the five-minute span where, like, yes, you're all outside the building and one of the guys goes, "This is going to be the least productive five minutes in the American history." And it was fun. We all said, "Hey, we got some fresh air," and then Taylor, Emma, and I, we all ran back up the stairs to make it in time for Grace's News. It was a fun thing. But I didn't come on Grace's News and try to pretend that I'm an astronomy expert because I'd sound like a moron. By the way, I did take an astronomy class, and I stood out in that class because I would make videos. And you can actually, maybe I'll post one. I have a video of my sister, we dressed her up like a rocket and like a spaceship or something. And that was part of the video. And the teacher would say to me, "You're not getting extra credit for this." And I said, "But can I show the video to the class?" Sure. So I kept making them. But I didn't come on here yesterday, Jared, and try to lecture people about the moon or the sun because that's not my forte. Yeah. And that, again, like, that wasn't, she didn't just make a mistake. She just kept going. It wasn't like she confused the sun. Oh, yeah, the sun is a burning gas, supposedly, fine sure, whatever. I meant the moon. I know I meant the sun. No, look, the moon is made of gas. That's why we can't live on the moon. And it's almost, almost impossible to fly to the sun. That was what I was just going to say. I love the casual, like, yeah, it's almost impossible to fly to the sun. Could we get the examples of the people who have done it? Hey, if you were made of light, you might be able to get there. Now, on not a completely different note, since we're talking about government officials and the stuff they come out with, one of our last callers were on. He had a really good point. He was talking about Gen Z, how much money they said they need to make to have a comfortable lifestyle or to be happy, whatever that means. And he was talking about how most people today are working multiple jobs. And I think this story definitely fits the bill. And I don't think you've heard about this yet, Jared, but I think you might find it amusing. Lauren Graves lied to government investigators to cover up the fact that she had one full-time job and one part-time job, both of which she focused on while neglecting her government duties. Well, something has to get neglected in that case. You know, you're working so many different jobs. And remember what I told you guys about when John Kerry was leaving his climate czar to work on the re-election campaign and they were giving his job to John Podesta, but John Podesta's keeping his current job and just adding John Kerry's job on to his current job? And I remember thinking that's never a good sign if you're leaving a job and someone else can take on your tasks and not even have to change anything about their daily life. Like they still get to keep both job titles, not a good sign. Well, in this case, Lauren Graves is the head of Human Resources for the District of Columbia's library system. And her six-figure job entails ensuring that fellow government employees followed employment rules. So she was tasked with making sure people were following the rules, was herself in massive violation of those rules. Well, that's a tale as old as time. Holding a second full-time job with a private company, which she did well supposedly working for taxpayers. Here's a little more information. Graves has worked at the DCPL's Human Resources as the DCPL's Human Resources Director since November 2021, being paid $148,000 a year. Not a bad salary. Apparently, the fact that she continued to work full-time for Blackstone Consulting as a senior Human Resources Manager, where she was paid an additional $144,000 a year, went unnoticed. I'm going to guess until it didn't. She also worked part-time delivering babies as a doula. And you know what? I can already picture, Jared. This story is going to come up. Let's say I bring this up in Grace's news today, how he's going to probably ask me what's the deal with the doulas. So the doula is like you can have someone who's with you at every step of your pregnancy. They run you through what you're going to do. Once you get in there, you know, they try to help you decide what kind of birthing experience you want to have. Do you want an epidural? Do you want this? You want that? And so this woman has three gigs? Is that what I'm supposed to believe? Grace told investigators she worked the other jobs outside of her work hours, but this was false, they said. Their evidence included emails, contracts, and presentation schedules. Responding acknowledges that her conduct was an egregious violation of the code of conduct. Responding agrees to pay a fine in the amount of $17,500. Well, yeah, she can afford that. She got multiple gigs here. That's nothing for her at this point. Responding agrees to payments in the amount of $383 by weekly. It would not have been hard to find out about Grace's other work. The Blackstone job is on her LinkedIn, which says she stopped the job in February, 2024. And it also says she still works in HR firm and as a doula. So multiple jobs. So just to Ron's point, in Biden's economy, I don't really know if you can fault Lauren grave. For, you know, operating on all cylinders, HR person, doula, HR person for another company. Man, it's just consultant possibilities are endless. And one more thing on the money front. I talked a little bit earlier about David Hogg, pillow entrepreneur David Hogg, the best pillowmaker that never was. And his group, his pack, came into fruition. And they raised over $3 million in their first year. They had donations from governor, former governor devolved Patrick among others. And the group also took in a total of $41,000 over three transfers from another pack that Hogg is involved in. You know, he's very outspoken about gun rights and things like that. And this pack was supposed to elect leaders we deserve. That was the mission statement of the pack. All those big donations amount to less than $400,000 of the group's multi million dollar haul. Which most of came from small dollar donors. So these guys, Hogg and his partner, Leda, raised all this money. And then they turned around and spent it mostly not on candidates or the cause. They spent a huge chunk of the money living large and on political consultants. So they had spent a lot of money. And also, here's a fun name for you, Jared. In addition, the group spent more than $83,000 on legal fees to Elias Law Group. The firm headed up by Democrat lawyer Mark Elias. Or maybe it's pronounced Elias. He's the guy who headed up the Hillary Clinton campaign. And then, or he was Hillary Clinton's top lawyer who hired Fusion GPS to research the stuff that ended up being in the dirty dossier. So that's what some of the money is going to. The group spent more than $1 million of the money it raised on other political consultant firms and legal fees. Another $36,000 went to expenses for travel, entertainment and meals for Hogg and Leda listed through the FEC report. Those include Uber and Lyft rides, hotels, restaurants and more. They did spend a lot of money on trying to elect Sylvia Swain. Which was the campaign for a transgender Democrat in Alabama's House District 55. But Swain lost big time. So the money they did spend didn't go very far. 844-542-42. Listen up, everyone. 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Learn more about Silva and Selena's at sslawteam.com. That's sslawteam.com. Jared, what is the poll question and what are the results thus far? Today's poll question, which you can vote in at gracecurlyshow.com, is will Biden's student loan forgiveness scheme result in more votes for him or less? I'm going to say less. 64% of the audience is going to say less as well. All right, so a big story today involved the parents of the shooter, the Michigan shooter, Ethan Crumbly. His parents were sent up to 15 years for their son's fatal school shooting, reading here from the New York Post. It's as they were found guilty on involuntary manslaughter charges at separate trials in March and February, respectively. And they were sentenced to between 10 and 15 years behind bars today for their son's 2021 massacre that left four students dead. They're the first parents convicted in a mass school shooting in a U.S. mass school shooting, which is why a lot of legal experts are looking at this, taking note of it. And it has a lot of people talking because it's historic, it's unprecedented, and there's debate over whether or not this is a good idea or whether or not this will stand up. Toby Leary joins us now. Toby, I would love your reaction to this ruling. Yeah, great. I don't think it's a great ruling for our country, but I do believe that, you know, we bear a tremendous responsibility as gun owners, right, with freedom comes responsibility. There's no question about it. And I do believe that our sole objective as a gun owner should be to not our sole objective, but one of the most primary objectives should be to ensure that guns don't fall into the hands of people. Our guns shouldn't fall into the hands of people that shouldn't have them or don't, you know, absolutely should not have them. And I'm not against buying your child a present for Christmas at 15 years old or giving it to them for their birthday. I am against them having unfettered access to that. And, you know, if you give your child a gun, you still have to be the parent in the situation and make sure that they don't have unfettered access to that gun and just unauthorized access to it. It should be a supervised situation or a situation where you also have to know your child where, you know, if your child is suffering from severe mental illness, maybe it's a bad idea to buy that child, that gun, you know, unless there's no threat of violence or whatever. But here's where I think a line has been crossed. And that is, I don't even think they extrapolate this type of punishment to criminals who sell guns on the black market to other criminals, knowing full well that they have no good intention for that firearm. So, if the criminal that sells the other criminals, the gun, knowing that guy is in a lawful peaceful citizen, in other words, he's a comeback like himself. And that guy doesn't go to jail for manslaughter when the bad guy uses the gun. Then how do you make the same jump and prosecute the parent? That's a really, really good point, Toby. We'll continue this conversation and even more importantly, we'll take your questions and calls for Toby when we come back. Welcome back everyone to The Grace Curly Show, the number if you want to call in and ask Toby Larry from Cape Gunworks, any sort of question about a gun you want to buy, the process of getting your license to carry any of those questions can be answered by Toby and call 844-542-42. Let's go to Bob, you're next up with Toby, go ahead Bob. Great, my name is Bob, hi Toby. I bought a gun back, I'm good, I bought a gun back around 9/11 when everybody ran out and got guns, I kept it for, I still have it, I never renewed the license, I have it up in a box in the closet. And I've always been worried about renewing the license late or what I have to do, is it possible for me to do something without getting into trouble? I don't see how you're going to get in trouble just for renewing it. I don't see that being a thing to be honest with you, to be safe, you could have somebody who you know that's licensed come take possession of it in the meantime, but if you haven't taken it outside the house, I think it'd be very difficult to be charged with some sort of crime if you don't take it outside the house. Just leave it where it is, go get your license, unfortunately welcome to Massachusetts, you need a license or a government permission slip in order to exercise your enumerated God given right in the Commonwealth. That will be righted someday, I believe, but until then, I think we need to just play by the rules to play it safe, if you know what I mean, so go get the permit renewed Bob, and then you don't have to worry about it. All right, thank you very much Bob, let's go to Tommy, you're next up with Toby Leary, go ahead Tommy. Yeah Toby, I have a non-resident concealed carry class A in the state of Massachusetts. And my question is, I have a relative, their parent died, and they've got some long gun shotguns and a couple of handguns at their house. So they do not have either an LTC or an FID, they asked me could I go with them to a gun dealer, put the firearms in my vehicle. Am I lawful at that point, even though those guns don't belong to me? Yeah, yep, as long as you have your non-resident license to carry, you could safely and lawfully and legally transport those guns, take possession of them. The gun store that sounds like they're going to sell them or confine them or maybe give them for safekeeping, whatever the case is, but you can transport them for them. And that's actually prudent and wise of them to call you, so yeah, that's not a problem whatsoever. All right, thank you very much Tommy, let's go to Debra, your next up with Toby Leary, go ahead Debra. Very great, I've been listening to you in Holly forever. I just want to comment about Toby's comment, and that was about, you know, there are legal, there are people who have guns that shouldn't have guns and never are prosecuted. But I think we have to start somewhere, and I think this is the place to start. And hopefully all the other judges listening to this judges comment, and the rule and she made will be a third of them move forward and do what Toby is saying that needs to be done. Yeah, and for people who are just tuning in, Debra, and I hope I'm getting this right here, you're referring to the sentencing for the crumbly parents, which was 10 to 15 years, and the judge made a point of saying this is not about bad parenting. These were people who could have stopped or run away train and could have prevented harm, and they time and time again failed to do that. Toby, I love your reaction to Debra's comment. Yeah, and again, I am not opposed to holding the parents accountable for the laws that they did break. What I have a hard time doing is holding them accountable for something that their son did, which, you know, they used to be tried as adults when they did adult crimes, and a lot of a lot of the kids that were tried as adults did life in prison and whatnot. I frankly would like to see the death penalty brought back for situations like this, but unfortunately, there's a failure in a lot of places here, maybe in the healthcare system where the kid didn't get the proper diagnosis or assessment that he needed. In the parents where they thought it was a good idea to buy their son a gun for the birthday and then give him access to it, I don't know all the intricate details of how it all played out, and also possibly on society where he felt he needed to do that. But I'm not blaming everybody here. I do believe that the parents are culpable, and I think that they should be held accountable. However, charging them with manslaughter. I don't know that that's the right thing or not. And frankly, I think we have an inconsistency with that. So if you're going to say we're going to start somewhere and have it be on that regard, then I think that you could extrapolate the same situation to what about parents of children who become gangbangers and sell drugs and people die of fentanyl overdoses and, you know, they get involved in gang violence. Are we going to now charge the parents of those gangbangers with the overdose of fentanyl crime? You know, so that's all I'm saying is we don't consistently apply that standard to anything else. And I think there was a little bit of punitive action taken against the parents. And again, I'm not defending them by saying this. I'm saying I think that they were held to a standard that nobody else in America has held to. That's all. And I do believe there should be some serious consequences for providing a gun to their child who is going through serious mental health issues. So where that lands, I don't know, but I don't think it's manslaughter. That's personally all I'm saying. But maybe I'm wrong on that. If I learn more about it, maybe I'll change my mind. But as a first reaction to it, that's kind of where I feel we're not going to consistently apply that standard across the board to any other area of life. I promise you that the one area we are going to apply it to is firearms because that's the trendy thing to do to beat up on the Second Amendment as a whole. It's one of the death by a thousand cuts methodology that the anti-gun people are trying to use these days. So that's all. That's the way I see it. All right. Thank you very much for the call, Debra. We appreciate it. Let's go to Harry. You're up next with Toby Leary. Go ahead, Harry. Yeah. How you doing, Toby? I just, even a nod, I just obtained the Galial Asian, too. I just wondering, some of the other calibers, like the 556, the bolt stays open after the last shot. For some reason or another, I have no idea why 7.62 by 39, that bolt closes. So basically, if you're in the process of the magazine getting empty, the bolt's not going to go back. I don't know why to, for instance, that one caliber, it does that. Yeah. It's a great question, Harry, and it has to do with the magazine. The magazine itself won't engage a bolt pulled open. There are some like Yugoslavian AK mags that have an extra lip on the magazine and the follower will hold the bolt back. But as soon as you take the magazine out of the gun, the bolt will go forward because the magazine is engaging the face of the bolt instead of on a bolt catch. Because most AK style or AK-derived platforms don't have a bolt catch. So in all AKs, for the most part, the bolt goes forward. You press the trigger and you get clicked. That's how you know the gun is empty. And then you go through a reloading process. With those Hugo mags, like I said, it'll engage the bolt, but it'll just tell you that you get to reload the gun. So anyway, that's why, because the Gileal Ace uses AK mags, that the bolt doesn't stay open. But if you want the bolt to stay open, get like a 5-5-6 version of the gun and you'll be in good shape. But have fun with that, Harry, it's a great gun, and I'm a big fan of it. Alright, let's go to James. You're last up today on 2A Tuesday with Toby Leary. What's going on, James? Hey, good afternoon. Enjoy your show. I have a question. I would like to guess by LPC, obvious reasons. And I understand that there's a law on the books and maps regarding DUI. You had a DUI prior to a certain date you are ineligible if you could explain to me what you know about that, and if that would hold me up for obtaining my LTC. Yeah, this is a very frequent question, James. A lot of people, when they go down to apply for their license to carry, are surprised to find out that that first offense DUI or driving well intoxicated or driving under the influence. That a lot of times people plea out to or will just admit to sufficient facts because they basically don't have to do jail time or anything. They're going to get their license back in a matter of a couple months, etc, etc. But they don't know at the time that that makes them a prohibited person for life in every state in the union because Massachusetts, the sentence for a first offense DUI carries a two and a half year sentence. So if you're charged with a crime and convicted of a crime that can put you behind bars for two and a half years. Now, I guarantee no one has ever served two and a half years or a first offense DUI unless there was some sort of massive injury or driving to endanger or manslaughter charge or something else associated with it. But if you just get in a routine DUI, you get your license back in no time and no harm, no foul, right? Well, there is a big harm and a big foul, and that is your prohibited person now for the rest of your life. So it depends when you were charged. I believe 1994. If I'm not mistaken, what's the date that it changed prior to that? It had carried a two year sentence. So you could still get your old UI if it was before that certain date. I think it was right about 30 years ago that that happened. So look into that change. You might be able to get the case reopened with a good lawyer and say you had no idea and you'd like to have the evidence reheard. I don't know if that's possible or not, but good luck with that. I hate to hear stories like that. No other right you surrender for life for a first offense or a felony or something that even happened as a youth or whatever. But politicians love to take away your right to keep in their arms and they will find ways of doing it. And unfortunately, that's the horrible place that we're in right now, but there's hope on the horizon. I believe it's going to take a lot of time and money, but we'll get there. Yeah, and there's so many reasons, by the way, not to drink and drive, and that's one of them as well, but obviously there's so many. Toby, thank you so much for coming on. Will you let people know where they can follow you and where they can find you on social media and where they can listen to you? Because you're also, I know my husband's listening to you all the time. I'll come home and I'll say, is that Toby Leary? Like, where am I hearing this voice from? And Will's a big fan of all of your programs, so let people know where they can tune in. I'm haunting you from all the rest. Thanks for having me on. And yeah, you can listen to me on WX PK 95 one on Sundays from noon to one. You can also listen to the podcast every Wednesday from four to six. We're not going to be doing tomorrow because I have a prior commitment that I have to do, but we'll make up for it. So you want to make sure you're signed up at rapidfireradio.us, be alerted whenever we go live. We'll let you know when we go live and sometimes I do breaking news stories or whatever. So you want to make sure you're up to date on that. But like and subscribe on social media as well. That's a very good way to stay up to date. We're at Cape Gunworks and at Rapid Fire Radio, wherever you consume your social media. And we have a massive event this Saturday. I want to invite everybody, all of your listeners. We have our seventh anniversary of Cape Gunworks in IHANIS, the new location party this Saturday. So we're going to have vendors from Smith and Thig and Tavor and Hall of Sun here all day on Saturday. What going on prizes? Give away the whole nine yards. And then Friday night, we also have a member only party from six to eight. So if you're a member, you want to come down for that and you can bring a guest as well. Sunday, we have a continuation of festivities, if you will. Rob Pinkett is here teaching two classes on Saturday and Sunday as well. There's still room to sign up for his unorthodox shooting positions class on Sunday. So if you want to do that, what going on all the time at Cape Gunworks? And thanks for having me on, Grace. We love having you, Toby. Thank you so much. Because I know you're very busy. We appreciate it. 844-500-4242. When we come back, how we oftentimes calls it national panhandle radio. And there's a big story breaking about NPR. One of its journalists, one of its veteran journalists has a piece out about what it's really like to work for that organization. We'll ask how we about this when we return. In the meantime, don't go anywhere because we'll be right back. You're listening to The Grace Curly Show. This is The Grace Curly Show. Today's car crossover is brought to you by Toyota of Portsmouth. Keep your Toyota, a Toyota and schedule your next service appointment online. At Toyota of Portsmouth.com. Get more value with factory train technicians in genuine Toyota parts. How we car joins me now and how I would love your reaction. A 25-year veteran at NPR wrote a piece and it really reads more like a post-mortem on the organization. He says, "I've been at NPR for 25 years. Here's how we lost America's trust." He goes on to detail how the network lost its way when it started telling listeners how to think. He also references the Russia Gate problem, the COVID, the Wuhan lab. He really goes into everything, Howie, and I'm curious what you make of this. Yeah, I think, you know, we all know some of it. But, you know, again, in Boston, I think a problem that fewer people have talked about other than me is that they used to have GBH and BUR. BUR were both good jazz and classical music stations. They had all, they had Irish music shows. They had blues shows. All this stuff, you couldn't get anywhere else in the United States. And then they did it. They did away with it. And they went to the same radio Moscow-type Adjut prop that you can get on any NPR station in the country. So, you know, why do you need them? Howie, that's such a great point because one of the things he said, which I found interesting, and you're right, I wouldn't have known this if I wasn't reading this guy's piece. He was talking about the distilled worldview of a very small segment of the U.S. population. And he says a lot of people might be reading this and thinking, "Oh, that's always been NPR." But he says, "It hasn't been used to do really great journalism. We used to do gorgeous audio pieces with birds singing in the Amazon." They used to -- Robert J. Lertzimer. He was the morning guy on GBH. I mentioned there was a guy named Tony Chanamo on BUR. He was a jazz guy, Eric in the evening. Eric Jackson on WGBH. My Kramer had a blues show on GBH. I knew all these people. You know why? I listened to WGBH and WBR until they went left wing. Well, you know what, Howie? Trump is a little bit all encompassing, and I actually saw a clip yesterday of Nicole Wallace, and she kicked off her show, briefly mentioned the solar eclipse, and she couldn't even help herself within 2.5 seconds. She said, "But right now, we're going to Trump." It's like, you either got to go all Trump or nothing, unfortunately. Howie Carr is coming up next. He's got a great show planned for you. Until tomorrow, everybody. ♪♪ [BLANK_AUDIO]