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And this is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. Satyar Shah with Jamie Dodd. We are going to bring in Brett Festerling into the conversation in just a moment. You can grab a phone line, 604-280-0650. You're toll free, 1-888-275-0650. Also get your thoughts into a Dunbar-Lumber text in the box, 650-650. And it's one of those games where the Canucks started off the first period, being in full control, didn't get a goal, Arizona gets, makes it 1-0. Canucks tied back at 1-1. And then he scored a leg goal at the end of the period in the second, take a 3-1 lead in the third. Canucks do a great job of storing back, making it 3-3, and ultimately fall in overtime. And they had ample opportunities to win this game. Phillip Horonica, penalty shot in overtime, can convert on it. The Canucks kill the penalty. No, Bester joins the ice, but just as Bester's trying to join the play, they score the goal to win 4-3. And it's one of those games that is going to be frustrating. It's good to get the point, but the two points we're here for the taking, and it's a tough one not to take home. Yeah, frustrating game. I think it was frustrating on different levels. I think the frustrating would have been really frustrating in that game. I don't think they necessarily played bad. I think they carried the play for the majority of the first-end second period. And then they came back and tied it up. So there's a lot of positives to take from that game. They're one of those teams, if you let them stick around, they're just going to become more dangerous. You knew something. Even when they had one shot, I think for the first 15 minutes of the first, they had certain plays, certain wingers flying down. You just knew there was going to be some dangerous opportunity coming up. It's tough. It's a tough result at the end, because with the two goal come back in the third, you know, Patterson scoring to tie it up, it felt like it could have been kind of a really special night here for the fans at Roger's Arena. Instead, they end up going home disappointed after the penalty shot. And Brett, do you ever have an OT penalty shot as a defense win? No. I wouldn't-- can you give it away? I think Germany, you can give it away. They would have put somebody else there. I actually said when it happened, like this is-- it's Philoprona, who's, you know, high-skilled defense win, but still he's a defense win. And I think the Canucks would have loved to just have a penalty called, a normal penalty called in that situation. Well, it was Cole and Lindo more on the ice, too. I think it has to be somebody on the ice. It has to be the player or the player himself, right? So it had to be Herona again, but if he misses as he did, then the coyotes are still in the power play in that situation. That's the tricky part about it. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, you mentioned the penalty calls. And it was a mix of poor penalties, some bad poor discipline, too, from the Canucks as well in the third period. But the call that has a lot of people up in arms is the overtime hook on Brock Besser. His stick's there. Doesn't look like much of a hook. The officials-- you know how we talk about defenders being on the right side of the puck? He's on the wrong side, making that call. Just maybe from his angle, it looks like Besser-- but it didn't look like Besser really pulled the guy down on that call. No, I don't think he did. It looks bad. You're kind of flat-footed coming back, right? You're deep in the slot. Efficienting's looking for any movement in arms or legs, or, you know what I mean? They're looking-- they're just assuming there's going to be a call there. And that, because he gets that step, I think he needs to get a shot off. And he doesn't have to do that. He ends up going down. So I think he just assumes. But, yeah, slow-mo-- again, we get to look at these things multiple times of slow-mo from different angles. I guess that makes it easier. But between that one and the Myers one and the first, it'd be a tough, tough four minutes to swallow. Yeah, the Myers one is the one that really stands out. It's just like a complete phantom. At least on the best or one, you can say, well, you know, as soon as you have your stick in that area, the refs are going to be kind of on high alert, as you said. They're expecting to make a call in that situation. The Myers one, I just-- I don't know. What are they looking at? I don't know. They saw there. Yeah, the cross-check. I mean, they did-- No, the interference of the first. Yeah, that one, I don't even understand. Cheerpoint, the Myers cross-check, and the third. Like, yes, it's a cross-check. But how often do we see that happen in a game? Well, the thing about that call was they were exchanging cross-checks. Yeah, maybe a couple more from Tyler Myers. But they set the bar with a cross-check earlier when Cole hit Cooley, and I think it was McBain that went after him. Game of cross-check broke his stick. He got the penalty. Pederson threw a hit on Cooley. He got cross-check. They didn't call the penalty. So it's just one of those things that it wasn't consistently called in the game if you got to call it, call it consistently. And that's one thing they didn't do tonight. Yeah, they didn't as a player. Yeah, just where's the line? It seemed to go on both sides multiple times, and you just could never find it. And then you did have some good emotion on both sides tonight with some big hits. Like Myers had a big hit. The door of how to huge hit. Petey had that reverse hit. Like, there were some big physical bodies out there, and that kind of drove up the emotion. So that's a positive. There's still some positives in this game. Well, they're out for sure. And to your point about the physicality, I really noticed Elias Lindholt bringing the physical energy, and especially on that play, actually. He wins the puck along the boards, and it ends up going out to the neutral zone for Philopronik. So I thought, for him coming back into the lineup, got a really good sign to have that energy and that engagement after being out of the lineup for a few games. As you said, a lot of that going around, not necessarily a game you expected to have a lot of that type of energy against the coyotes, but I guess this time of year, you're always going to have a little bit of that going into the playoffs. Yeah, they're mad they're mad they're going to Utah. Well, yeah, I'm sure they're not very happy about it. And that's one of the things we mentioned, too, wondered about the game. It's like, where's their focus going to be? And the first five, 10 minutes, they look like very timid. They only had two shots on goal in the first period. And at the end of the game, how many shots did Arizona get, 16 at the end? They didn't get a ton of shots. And the goals that they scored, I think the last one, of course, is it's over time the puck comes across. But, I mean, two of those goals are lucky balances, right? The first one goes off. I think it was a conduct player, goes over to Josh Brown, who has an empty net, and scores on it. And the second goal that gets scored, same thing. It's a shot off the post, off the point. It hits off Coliaceuk, and it deflects into the goal. So both kind of lucky balances. They weren't generating these quality scoring chances they were scoring on. The Cooley one was her best goal, I thought. He did a fantastic job, closed it down on Quinn. He was forcing the turnover, and then the puck comes across. And, of course, they make it 3-1 at the time early in the third period. But in terms of overall control, the connection in controlling the game, they didn't give up a ton. The question is, considering the level of opponent, should the intensity have been higher to take this game away from Arizona earlier than the Canucks happens to come back in the third? I don't know if it's an intensity question. It didn't seem like they weren't intense to me. I get-- there's-- you should always go back in locker rooms and coaches would talk about you need to have a killer instinct. You need to put this team away. You can't let this team hang around, and I've probably said it too much tonight. They're just one of those teams that just-- you got young skill that was speed. They're always going to find a way to be around if you left them be around. So it's kind of take advantage, maybe some of those early power plays. They didn't-- Canucks didn't look great on some of those early power plays. You get a couple there. I think there is opportunities to take them out of the game earlier. I don't think they weren't necessarily ready for the game. I thought there was good-- pretty good intensity, pretty good physicality. They pushed most of the play for the night. So it's just having that killer instinct of taking teams out of it and really forcing your game on their team, I think. How frustrating is it when you feel like you are controlling play for most of them, but then you look up, and it's the third period and all of a sudden you're down 3-1. And as you said, we've been controlling play. I don't want to say dominating, but they've been clearly the better team, and yet it's not going your way on the scoreboard. Yeah, it's extremely frustrating. But what that usually leads to is deviating from your plans or your structure or right. You just get impatient, and guys try to take it over. So there's a fine balance between seeing some of the things we did in the third, where you want guys to put in that next gear and take over the game. But don't do it as an individual. You've got to do it as a team, and use your teammates to do it. And I think they did a good job in the third there. But yeah, it's extremely frustrating. But being able to stay with that system and that structure and to the game plan becomes very important, especially obviously in the postseason. Yeah, absolutely. But it's one of those games where the Evans and Orlers, they won tonight, even without Conor McDavid. And we'll see when McDavid returns. He may not even play when the Canucks face the Edmonton come up on Saturday. And obviously Edmonton is now-- if they win their games in hand, they'll be tied with Vancouver in point. So that cushion the Canucks had has essentially gone as long as Edmonton wins their games in hand. However, Vancouver still has a tiebreaker with more regulation and regulation over time victory. So it's not that simple. But right now, it becomes more critical now. Three games to go remainder of the season. You have Winnipeg, Edmonton, and then Calgary in between those two opponents. It's kind of must win territory now coming up on Saturday. Yeah, I mean, you control your fate. Really, right? That's what it comes down. You win the games. You win the division. That's-- you know, don't overcomplicate it. And I know we have some fans kind of scoffing. And oh, who cares about the extra point? I'm like, that point could be huge. That point could easily be the difference between the division or not, depending on how things play out now. You can make it simpler than that if you go out and take care of business on Saturday against Edmonton. But look, I get it. It's frustrating not to take both points from the Arizona Coyotes. But that point could still loom very, very large in the Pacific Division race here at the end of the season. Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of reaction on the text inbox, 65650. As you would imagine, some people saying the officials cost us the game on phantom calls, others saying, why even bring up the officials? What's going on? So it's one of those things where, at the end of the day, it's one of those games that the Canucks play this way, generally speaking. They probably win more times than not. And some of the goals that went in on-- I don't think Celaus was bad. Celaus was bad tonight. Like we mentioned, two of the goals, like the Cooley one and the turnover by Quinn Hughes at the early in the third. And you don't see Quinn turn a puck over like that, very often a poor mistake by him. Those two led to goals. But the other two goals kind of lucky bounces going in on them. But what do you think of the way she loves play? They look in control to you tonight? Yeah, for the most part, I think it's actually a really difficult game when you only get two shots in the first period. And then one of them-- I think one of them was an actual deflection from Miller. It was a pass. And Miller's back checking and it gets to fly. And it's actually a really, really good stop. One of the best saves he made all night, honestly. Exactly. And that's after he hasn't faced anything coming at him. And then I think that's what's difficult is they don't get shots. But then Phoenix, how many times did they have guys just flying down walls where they're throwing blind passes? And they're missing by a foot or two feet. But it's just, you know, that's a constant of you need to be aware of post-to-post and back. So I think he made some big stops. He made a big one in the third as well. Obviously, yeah, do you want him to maybe pull one of those out? I don't know. But I don't think he put it terrible. And I see a lot of people mentioning saying stuff like the connects are playing down to their opponents, you know, not going far into playoffs. We can't beat garbage teams, a lot of this sort of stuff and everything. So the Canucks out chance the Arizona Coyotes high danger chances 14 to 5. Regular scoring chances overall 29-11. 5 on 5, they outattempted them 59-29. So to the notion of the Canucks playing down to their opponent, I guess if you wanted them to be more aggressive, more physical, have more desperation, sure, you can always want more in terms of effort, right, Brad? But in terms of control in the game, shots, chances, spending time in the offensive zone, they only allowed 16 shots against. Use play this game 10 times. I bet you win this one nine times. Yeah, exactly. And that's not the cop out. I'm just saying, like if you look at it, take away the emotion from the game, they play that game. Usually they'll lose it the way they did it. It's magnified because of the situation with the division. And Edmonton blows out Vegas tonight. And now you're playing on Saturday. And all of a sudden, there's all these stakes. But you're right. I mean, these games happen. It happens what? I don't know, 10 times a year where you play way better than the other team. But you lose. That's just how hockey is. There's that element of randomness. You look at a couple of the bounces the coyotes get. It just feels worse, I think, in this situation because all of a sudden fans are looking at the standings and thinking, uh oh, the vision we thought was locked up now is all of a sudden, very much in doubt. Yeah, 100%. I mean, people saying there's no more structure anymore. The team has not played with structure for months. Again, I can understand criticism, but sometimes narrative, not fact. What was bad with their structure tonight? Like overall, there was a couple of chances. The best chance they had was off a turnover from Quinn Hughes. That's not a structural problem. That's a turnover behind your net. And it turns out to a great a scoring chance. Like structurally speaking, when you only give up 16 goals, 16 shots in a game like this, like to me, that's not structural problems here going on. No, I thought it was-- I thought it was relatively good. D-zone was great. Actually, there was multiple chefs even in the second where Phoenix kind of did their toilet bowl around the zone, around the zone, trying to-- they never got to the middle, Canucks collapsed. They let shots come from the outside. So it was-- I thought that was good. I thought the structure was fine. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things. But obviously, they have to do a bit more coming up on Saturday. They're next game against the Edmonton Oilers. We'll see if McDavid plays, but that's going to be a big game all of a sudden here, Brett. But Brett, always a pleasure, man. We'll look forward to chatting with you on Saturday. Late one tonight, already 10-34. So a 7-30 puck drop has us going a bit later tonight. Yeah, how do you guys do this? Oh, well, I'm not looking forward to tomorrow morning. I can just say that. Oh, my kids are sleeping. I don't want to know about that. No kidding. He's Brett Festerling, called the game along. Brendan Basser, great stuff, man. We'll chat on Saturday. Thank you. Appreciate it. That's Brett Festerling. Keep your thoughts coming in to our Dunbar Lumber tax them box, 650-650. You can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650 or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. Just to that point about, you know, the Canucks haven't been playing with structure for months. And look, I get people are emotional after a loss, right? But they've been one of the best defensive teams in the league. So I like any number you want to choose since about January 1. So like the last three plus months, they've been an elite defensive team relative to the rest of the NHL. So look, I think there's things you can worry about. There's things you can poke holes in. You can be concerned about their offensive generation. But the structure hasn't gone away. If anything, they've gotten better and more structured from where they were earlier in the season on the defensive end. 100% mark is a Victoria. You guys are way too optimistic. I don't care how many chances they got. The coyotes are garbage that's mark is a Victoria. I mean, the coyotes have beat some good teams down the stretch. They beat Vegas 7-4. They put six on Vegas in the third period when Vegas had a 4-1 lead on them just last week. So you got to be careful sometimes in terms of just chasing the narrative saying they're a bad team. And again, disappointing results. Absolutely. Multiple things can be true at the same time. I love saying that. And there are things they could have done better, of course, right? There are certain parts of the game that should have been better in. And this, again, opponent you should be. But if you're removing the emotion from it, like it's not as bad as people make it out in terms of the effort and in terms of what they did, yeah, sure, you can say they didn't beat the team. Fine. But they created more than enough scoring chances to win this hockey game. And they didn't give up a ton. And the two goals that go on a bit of kind of lucky bounces. And literally, we're talking about a game where one play makes the difference, right? And just as a thought experiment, imagine the text we're getting in if Filipronic scores on that penalty shot in overtime. The Canucks take both points from the coyotes. What's the talking point then? What's the narrative then? It's wow, they came back 3-1 down late in the second half of the third period. They tie it, they get the win. Oh, amazing character win. We're talking about flipping one play. Keep everything else the same. All it would have taken was one play in overtime for the conversation around this game to be completely different. So again, look, I get it. Would you have loved to see them be up big early and not be in that situation? Not need to claw back late in the third to tie it and get that point? Yeah, of course you would. That's not going to happen every game. It's impossible. It is impossible to do that every game. They played well tonight. I don't know what you want us to sit here and say they were the second best team. They weren't. They weren't. They were way better for the coyotes. And there were things they can obviously do a lot better. This one here says two months of poor play. You still talk about them like they're a contender, luckiest team in NHL history. And that's the only reason they're even close to the playoffs. Again, narrative not fact. They've had a high shooting percentage for sure. And I don't people talk about the PDO, they love showing that. But if you want to look-- again, if you want to use the lucky stats, look at their overall metrics since the all-star break, but also at the course of the NHL season. They've been a top 10 team by the metrics and a top 18 by the metrics since the all-star break. So if you want to excite the numbers and say they've been lucky, then have the intellectual honesty to cite the other numbers and say they've actually been very good, but not getting the bounces the last couple of months. But like we said earlier in the season, when the connects were running rough shot over much of the league, they're probably not the first or second best team in the league. They're not a top two or three team in the league. They're not in the top tier, but they're a very good team to have a chance. So people push back and say, oh, you guys are being too critical. They're better than you guys think. Look at their record. And now, when they're playing poorly or not getting results to the same degree, people are saying they're really bad. And we're like, well, they're not as bad as you think it is. And oftentimes, this is what happens. When a team gets really hot, it's kind of like the hot hand fallacy. You think they'll never lose. And then when you get cold, it's like the cold hand fallacy. It's not a thing, but I'm just making it up right now, where you think it's never going to go in. It's never going to turn around. And that's the sentiment a lot of people have in a text inbox. It's like, they're screwed in the playoffs. You're not going to win. And they're getting mad at us because we think they're a contender. And it's like, sure, you've got to express your frustrations one way or another. But if you're going to cite lucky stats earlier this season, you can also cite the fact that, you know, by those numbers, they've been one of the better teams in a league the past 30 games. They have, they absolutely have. As I said, certainly on the defensive end since January 1st, they've been an elite defensive team. And if you are just going by kind of underlying numbers, and especially at five on five, they've been better in the second half of the season than they were in the first half of the season. Yeah, they haven't had the bounces going their way. But the process, you could actually argue, has improved from where it was in October and November and even December for this team. You know, again, this is not to say that they're a perfect team or anything like that. There's not areas that they can improve on. Of course, they can. And I think you could point to, you know, special teams in recent weeks, you could point to the goal scoring and some of the five on five offensive generation for sure. But I also think if you are making judgments about what the Canucks are going to do in the playoffs based on tonight's game, the playoffs aren't going to look anything like tonight, right? And I just, I get it. You wanted the two points. The division is in doubt. That all makes sense. The Canucks success or failure in the playoffs is not going to be dictated by the fact that they lost it over time, right? But the fact that they lost a coin flip game in overtime to the Arizona Coyotes tonight. Yeah, absolutely. A lot of reaction on a text inbox, 65650. Keep your thoughts coming in. My favorite one is you cowards, you're not reading my text message. We literally get hundreds of text messages on the post game show. And believe it or not, sometimes we don't see your messages and we can get to all of them. But he's like, you're talking about all the dumb fans and how we're playing. You better stop. You're better. Read my test text first. Have the intellectual honesty to address my text message. I'm not sure what your text message is. I think one of the points that this person is making, except for yelling at us the whole time, sat the reps won them, won OT for them. Don't read the stats. Read one of these for, you know, what's sake. I'm done. I mean, we talked about the officiating. Maybe a call that wasn't great. Others say don't criticize the officials. We talk about all the things that happen, some questionable calls, but ultimately the Canucks as well had a bunch of scoring chances like and they also look at how do they tie the game? They came on a power play that the, you know, that wasn't an outrageous play that had to be called penalty necessarily, right? It's an interference call that Niels Hoglander draws kind of a 50-50 call on the refs, you know, because they had called a bunch of penalties against the Canucks earlier in the period. They give them that late power play and that's how they tie the game. So I think you can talk about some calls that the refs might have missed or some questionable officiating without saying, and that screwed the Canucks. And that's why they lost the game because, you know, look, they killed off those penalty penalties in the third period, even the five on three, three, right? Like, so it didn't necessarily cost them. And even that one in overtime, I don't think that's a necessarily a terrible call. Like, I see what people are saying, how much force to best really apply there, but his stick was in that area. There's always a risk you're going to get a call. So I don't think the refs cost the Canucks the game by any stretch, but it's also fair to look at the individual calls and just talk about whether they were warranted enough. Yeah, we can talk about some calls being bad or not. The Canucks had a penalty shot in overtime, they didn't convert. You win the game, different conversation about it, right? Absolutely. You know, Mark and Pentict, and what numbers count the most analytics or to score a game? Come on, guys. Well, I mean, yes, but do you not want analysis of a game? Like, I mean, some games you win, some games you lose, but there is such a thing as playing while on losing and playing poorly and losing, and that's analyzing the game. If it was as simple as, well, the Canucks win, great job, there's a show. There's also such a thing as playing poorly and winning, right? Yeah. How long have we all been watching hockey? We've all seen games where one team played way better, but the bounces won against them. We all know that's a thing that happens. We don't have to pretend that just because Phil Pronik didn't score on the penalty shot in overtime that the Canucks were bombs tonight and completely outclassed by Arizona. Absolutely. All right. Keep your thoughts coming in. 650, 650. We'll take more of your phone calls. Everybody's losing. They're cool. Just relax, cool down. That's all good. The Canucks are going to the playoffs. They're hosting the first playoff game in Vancouver. No matter what happens and, yes, they should finish and win the division. It'd be a huge disappointment if they don't. Absolutely. Keep your thoughts coming in. We'll get to more of your text messages. 604-280-0650 or toll-free, 1-888-275-0650. We'll take more of your phone calls on the other side as the Canucks Central Post game show continues, presented by the number five orange. So the game is over, but he's a night really done. More coming up next on the home of your Canucks, sports in the 650. Hey, it's Dan Riccio and Satyar Shah. Join us for Canucks Central, where we will set up the game and break down the latest around the Canucks. 4-6pm and post-game on Sportsnet 650 and wherever you get your podcasts. This is where you talk Canucks. You're listening to the Canucks Central Post game show. On the official home of the Canucks, Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. Julie Farbort drops a high slot for Gunther, Jersey at the line, played it across to Julie to try to go re-wide for Gunther, the pass was behind him and deflects out to Zinn. Messers about to step out of the box. Teams are back to even strength. Gunther into the Vancouver zone for Jersey. High slot. Back to Dylan. Gunther left circle. Play to the front. They score! Logan Cooley wide open in the crease. Taps it home and the Coyotes win in overtime. They defeat the Canucks 4-3 tonight at Rogers Arena. Yeah, unfortunately, had your opportunity there. It's not a power play goal, but it might as well be, Besser's not back in the play yet. Gunther just shoots it across the crease and they're able to capitalize 4-3 Coyotes. Coyotes win 4-3 in overtime over the Vancouver Canucks and this is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number 5 orange on the home of your Canucks Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network's out to your shot with Jamie Dodd. Keep your thoughts coming in to our text inbox, 650-650. You can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650, you're toll free, 1-888-275-0650. There's a lot happening here on the text inbox. We'll come back here in a little bit, 650-650, we'll have some fun and we'll try to, well, we'll see. I mean, depends on how you view things, but let's go to the phone boards for a 604-280-0650 and let's start things off in Burnaby where we have Peter on the line. Peter, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? Well, first of all, it's really tough and I know folks have talked about the officiating. It's really tough to watch hockey when the officiating is not reliable. The Myers penalty wasn't, the Zadorov penalty wasn't. The guy I really feel badly for is Brock Besser. Neither of the penalties called on him were penalties and he played an awesome game. He actually prevented a goal there in the third period by tying up a player's stick. Like he was great and when you read the stat line and you see that he's taken two penalties, it's just not justice. Now, to be fair, Miller actually should have had a penalty called on him. He hooked a player, didn't get called. So to the point, like I'm watching because I'm a huge Canucks fan, my grandkids went to the game, they loved the game, they had a great time, but it's going to be really tough to watch hockey where you can't count on the officiating. But on the other side, usually on this night when the Canucks have their charity, their Canucks for kids, a win generally results in more money. I hope that callers who are on the line, including the haters that seem to causately be texting in. I hope that they get a heart and maybe give a couple of bucks to that great charity. It was an entertaining game, especially in the third period and I hope folks are good enough to keep in mind that there are things even more than important in hockey. And that's supporting a charity that helps young people and families that need the care. Hey, well said, thanks to the phone call, Peter and Bernard Beanie's right. And for those who have not yet been able to, and if you are able to, go to Canucks.com/telethon and make a donation, it's one of the best nights of the year because of how the fans come together, the great people of this province come together and fans all across the world that are Canucks fans that will participate and do what they can to spread the word at the very least, but also make donations if possible. And it's really heartwarming to see the messages that we've seen tonight throughout the evening of the great stories, the families that have been impacted, and how far the money goes that they raise and the number of charities that benefit from it. It's an absolutely incredible, magical night in so many different ways. And Peter's right. It's one of those nights that remind you that there are so many bigger, more important things than hockey, but that's not to say that you can't take hockey seriously, you can't be passionate about it. And we have fun with it, whether we find some responses to be a bit over the top or not. We like to get into it and joke around about things too, but I understand. The emotions are high. People have high expectations. They want better things. And it's frustrating. As far as the officiating goes, like I said, we'll talk about officiating, but generally speaking, you can't blame an entire game usually on the officiating. There are usually more things that go, and it's not like the Canucks didn't get some opportunities. If they didn't get the penalty shot in overtime, you can look at it a bit more, maybe critically and a bit more upset about how things can unfold it for you, but they had a chance to win this hockey game. And if you have a chance to win the hockey game, you can't just blame the officials for having lost it. However, I do agree that officiating generally across the National Hockey League has suffered. And it's not a Vancouver problem where they're just going after your team. You watch the rest of the league and see the officiating. It doesn't look to be in a good place overall. I wanted to read this text that came in. Guys, did you not see a difference in intensity between periods one and two in the last 10 minutes of the third? You can say these types of games happen, but they turned it up way too late. Edmonton doesn't seem to be having these types of games. Lost is because of bad bounces against an inferior team at crunch time. He says I'll be extremely surprised and sure happy if the Canucks win the division, given the current form of both teams. Edmonton is much better, and the odds must now be against van. Well, look, Edmonton lost in overtime to St. Louis last week. In March, they lost to Columbus. They lost in a shootout to Buffalo. They lost to Ottawa. So yeah, actually, Edmonton has lost games to non-play off teams quite a bit. Over the last month, that doesn't mean Edmonton is terrible. That doesn't mean Edmonton is playing down to a level of their opponents. That means this is the NHL and sometimes even the bad teams beat good teams. It's a thing that happens. I'm not saying the Canucks played a perfect game tonight. They didn't, but I think we can step back from the context of what happened with what's happening with the division and analyze this game fairly. There's lots to poke holes to. But they have played with more intensity and effort in the first 40 minutes. Yeah, of course they could. And they made some boneheaded plays and lost their composure a little bit in the first half of the third. Again, there's lots they could have done differently, but this is not a Canucks thing. An only Canucks thing, like Vegas just lost to Arizona Coyotes, right? Everyone's looking at them. Oh, man, I don't want to play Vegas. Well, how many games is Vegas lost recently now, including to the Arizona Coyotes? So yeah, teams go through this. This is not just a Canucks thing. It's not unique to the Canucks. Games, even really good teams, the best teams in the league drop games in overtime to teams that are outside of the playoffs. And it's one of those things that it's happening later in the season, so you can point to this game and say if they lose and miss the playoff or miss the division by a single point, you can point to this game. And fair enough, you can. But to me, what was what, to me, the more egregious point loss, if you're looking at in recent games, was blown at three goal leading is Colorado. Like to me, that was a worse OT loss than this one here where you came back and generally these played a pretty good hockey game. It's more about to me how you play the games overall and how it comes out. And if you want to point to a single game, yeah, you can point to any game in the season if you want to. But to me, if you want to look at it the past couple months, that's a game where you had a 3-0 lead and you coughed up a loss against Colorado. Yeah, that to me is worse. And then that kind of no-show performance against Washington, the Capitals, those to me were worse losses based on how they played and how they coughed up a lead. And just weren't able to match the intensity of Washington that night than a game like tonight against Arizona. Yeah, and look, if you, the plays that probably stand out to me are in the first period. You want to see maybe a little bit more intensity from the power play opportunities that you have to really, you know, put your stamp and take control of the game early. Don't let Arizona hang around. I think that's absolutely fair. I think we can have that criticism. It's just when we start to extrapolate from, oh, they lost an overtime to the Coyotes, therefore they're not going to do in the playoffs. If you if you applied that test across the league, no one would win the Stanley Cup because guess what, everyone has a slightly disappointing result like this on their resume. They do. And again, I, as I mentioned, if they miss out on the division after being leading it, but from the beginning to the end of the season and don't win a division, it's hugely disappointing and it will be worth criticizing. I completely agree with that. That would be a really, really disappointing. It would be very disappointing. However, we're not quite there yet. There's still a few more games going on in the season and we'll see ultimately had on all shapes up. Keep your thoughts coming into our text in the box. And Jeff Rose says, wait until we have our goalie back, meaning Thatcher, Demko. And we'll talk about Arthur Schilov's. I don't think any of the goals were singularly on him, but he looks like he has trouble tracking the puck a little bit like, you know, and I think both of those goals, we mentioned that I came off weird deflections. The first two goals of this game, you know, the first one deflects and goes to open Josh Brown, who scores the second one deflects up Koliatchuk and goes in. But both of them, you can see Schilov's has no idea where the puck is. No idea. Oftentimes, goalies will lose track in the puck, but at least he'll be able to go to the area where the puck is going. He just looks lost. Like the first one, it took him forever to see where the puck is going. And I get it. You lose track, but track in the puck is a skill, even off bounces, and that's a part of his game that's so far in the game tonight, and also the other game that we saw, shows some work to be done. Like he still has some work to do to be really stable between the pice for this team. Yeah, look, I mean, Thatcher Demko is obviously a huge part of this team. I don't know if you can look at any of the goals tonight and say, Oh, well, Thatcher Demko would have had that one for sure, right? I mean, maybe he's tracking the puck a little bit better on one of those and he's in a position to make a save, or at least just kind of get lucky and have the puck bounce off of him. But you know, the three one goal, I mean, that's just a really uncharacteristic play from Quinn Hughes, bang, bang, from below the goal line. That's really difficult for any goalie. And then, you know, it's basically still a four on three and overtime, and that's a really difficult situation for any goalie. So I'm not denying that, look, of course, we all know Thatcher Demko is going to help this team. Of course he is. But tonight, you know, I don't know. I wouldn't sit here necessarily and point the finger at goal tender. No, I keep your thoughts coming into our text inbox. Let's take one more phone call. Then we'll hear from the Canucks head coach and let's go to Surrey where we have Nathan on the line. Nathan, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? Nathan. All right, Nathan, we'll try to get him back here. I hope so. Is that Nathan who had the midterm after the last time? I want to hear how that went. Exactly. So let's go to Matt in New West. Matt, what do you have for us tonight? Hey, guys. Thank you. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, we got you, buddy. Okay. Cool. Thank you so much for having me on. I wanted to talk about a couple of things. First, I want to talk about Elias Lindholm and his play tonight. I thought he was great. I thought he was super noticeable on the ice. He made some great defensive play. And I actually thought he was more noticeable this game, and he has ever been in a Canucks uniform since we got him at the trip at the trade deadline. And you can really tell from this game, he's filling in some of the gaps that we're trying to see from a defensive standpoint, whereas I thought, I just think it's a good deal. I always think about what we gave up for him, who's Manko and all of that stuff. And I just feel like he fills in some of those gaps really well. And I think when we come play off time, I think he's really going to kick it into high gear. So I'm excited to see what comes of that. I also wanted to comment on Quinn Hughes and just his level of endurance. I think there were a couple of times in the third period where he was on the ice for close to three minutes. And it was just amazing to see that. And he was hustling back and forth. He was picking up pucks and beating guys in a great body position. Yeah, there was that one goal where I think it was Logan Cooley that lifted his stick and led to one of the coyote scoring. But other than that, I thought he played really well. Outside of that, I thought in just in general, we could have played a full 60, definitely. And it worries me going into Saturday with Edmonton based on how they're playing. But I have optimism. I think we're going to play really well on Saturday. I hope we get Demko back. And then to finish it off, I thought the Canucks for Kids Telethon was amazing to see this evening. And I think they raised over $760,000. And to hear it all goes to a good cause and a good reminder that there's more to life and hockey, it was just super cool to see that. But thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. Hey, thanks for the phone call. Call back any time. Matt in New West calling in. Good stuff there. And yeah, the Canucks for Kids Telethon is still open. Canucks.com/telethon. You can still get the donations in but have raised over $700,000 so far. And by the way, and I don't want to step on you plugging the telephone because that is extremely important. And I thought the caller earlier who said, hey, don't let the loss. I could not agree more. Absolutely. Do not let the loss in a little bit of disappointment there put you off from donating to the Telethon because that is the most important thing about tonight. But just again, this idea that the Canucks are all their fading and the Oilers are coming on so strong. Last 10 games for both teams. Canucks 5, 4, and 1. Not great. Right. Edmonton, 6, 3, and 1. So there's one result different. So they've made up two points. They've made up two points in one of the times again. It's one result different. This is not as if there's this massive gulf that's opened up between the two teams all of a sudden. Yeah, and the Canucks still. I mean, you have three games to go. You control your own destiny still. So do Edmonton. Right. But take care of business on Saturday. And the next, the rest should be history as long as you continue taking care of business. All right. We'll get to more of your thoughts on the text inbox and more phone calls. But let's get the thoughts of the Canucks head coach. Here's Rick Talkett after a 4, 3 overtime loss against the Coyotes. Just your thoughts on the performance overall throughout the game. Oh, we made a push at the end. I think we had 79-- I saw me tell me-- attempts at the net, 29 missed shots. There's too many missed shots. I didn't think we went to the net the first two periods, third period we had urgency. That's what I thought tonight. Couple of good comebacks back-to-back games, but also needing to come back and back-to-back games. How do you look at both sides of that? Yeah. I mean, you just got to be ready to go. You know, like I said, a lot of attempts at the net, but for whatever reason, a lot of missed shots. I mean, I think it was 29 missed shots, and you got to have people around the net the first two periods. I didn't think we did till the third. The main thing you're looking for, there's execution of getting shots on that? Got to hit the net. Keep it low. I think Milsey scored some shot at low hit escape. He gets the rebound. It's very simple. You can't shoot high from the blue line, and you got to hit the net. Lynn Holton gets back in the lineup. What did you think about it? I thought he played hard tonight. I thought he really played hard tonight. It's a good step for him. The ability to jump back in and do special teams. How much does that bring to this group? Yeah. No, it's big. He's a wins draw. It was a good game for him. The first game back. Taking for the second period, it looked like he gives a lot of jump in the first and some chances, but second seemed to go the other way. Yeah. And then, you know, I think we had a way to kill three or four penalties in a row. I mean, that's kills you too. Kills a momentum. With momentum, do you lose some after such an impressive win on Monday to then not necessarily be able to follow up and build on it? Well, you get the point, I guess, to try to be positive. That's the way you look at it. Is there a lesson that can be learned tonight about how to deal with maybe some calls that don't go your way? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, there's sometimes calls aren't going to go your way and you got to be really disciplined. You know, I haven't really looked at, you know, I'm not going to comment on the ref, but sometimes it's going to not go your way, but you can't kill three or four penalties in a row. It's tough, especially when you're down. It seemed like on a couple of their goals, you were looking at the replay, checking to see if there was an offside challenge. Was that the case on both of those? Yeah, I bet it was. It was inconclusive. You know, yeah, they have better frames than what we see. So yeah, I think it was inconclusive. Rick, your first three power play opportunities, you only have the two shots and then you get the one late and it's a quick shot from Pedersen in a goal. Did it say anything to you about the approach you need more of 5 on 4? I mean, till that those first two, I thought we were coming playing fast and all of a sudden we played those two power plays were slow holding on the puck. So then finally, PD decides to shoot it goes on that. So maybe there's a lesson there, just shoot the puck and play fast, pass the puck or move your feet. You know, when you start setting up and slowing it down, it just, it's, the PK's are too good nowadays. There's too many good PK coaches and you got to move the puck and or you got to move your feet to change your angle to make a pass and then you attack. Most of the goals are three at the net. So, you know, that's really what comes down to them. It's been 32 years since a group of an NHL team found out they were relocating and then played that. Yeah. So it's not something we see very often. On the opposite side of it is it's something you have to be careful with because those things can kind of, it can be a rallying point for your opponent or it can be something that is a distraction. How do you manage it? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know the trainers very well, really close friends of mine. They're kind of devastated, to be honest. But you know, I think, you know, I don't know what they said, but, you know, listen, we had, it's a tough one for that franchise and the players I feel for him, you know, but it's got nothing to do with that, the game for us, you know, other than the fact that, like I said, I just, 79 attempts, and we have 26 shots. I mean, that's not a good, that's not good ratio. So we have to figure a way to get shots on it or create shots, like be a little bit mobile to go around again and get the puck to the net. I think that's what we got to start to do because, you know, I guess that's what I'm more pissed on is having all those attempts and not only having 26 shots on that. What's your thoughts on Arthur's sea loves in his second consecutive start tonight? Yeah, I think he was fine. You know, lost a couple there. I think he was trying to look over the shoulder, the something in front. So I think Clarkie said something about, in those situations, I guess you got to stay low. That's the only chance. But, you know, that's goalie terminology stuff. That's for Clarkie to do. But yeah, I think he was fine. But as Canucks head coach Rick Talkett, pretty short and sweet after a four or three overtime loss against the Arizona Coyotes and mentioned how maybe she loves kind of lost the puck a couple of times, something we were talking about earlier as well. Not that he was bad tonight. He was okay. You can't really blame him on both. It's more about looking at when I'm evaluating goalie and honestly, it's hard for us to generate goalies, especially with how the position has evolved as we lean so much on the experts like Kevin Woodley, who we have on the show, we'll have on the show tomorrow on Canucks Central and will dissect and get his thoughts on how he thought she loves play. But it's more about looking at the trends and what areas of his game and that kind of movement and the crease and that kind of puck tracking. You can see where the struggles are a little bit. That's not to say you can't improve and get better. But it's one of the things you kind of noticed here tonight and it shows that he's got the right mentality. The kid made a number of good saves afterwards and made a big save late when the connection were up three, two. So he did help them and give him a chance to win this game, a chance to tie the game. So it's not like he had a bad performance, but he's still a young goalie that needs some more work on his game. And that's why when we talk about this season, you know, people were like, make him the back of over to Smith. He has to be the guy in the playoffs behind Thatcher Demko. It's like, I'd like the idea of him being the backup next year. I would pump the brakes off feeling like feeling confident that he's necessarily significantly better than Casey. This means I'm not sure that's the case. And I thought it was interesting. The one thing the talk it did say, which he had heard from me in Clark was on that second goal. You know, and we noticed this as well. OK, it's a it's a deflection from the point that happens. Those go in on everyone, but you see, I was standing almost straight up, right? Yeah. As Tock had said, well, maybe he's trying to look over a guy to find the puck, but you know, you think about Thatcher Demko in that situation and he's down ready to get in his stance ready to, you know, again, we heard it, you know, via Rick talk about from me and Clark. If you're down, if you're low, you have a chance at least to make the save up late. You go down. You might get it. That's not a talent thing. That's a technique. That's a refinement thing for a young goalie, right? So it's not as if that's, you know, that's going to be a flawed. She loves game forever. It's just each that's the kind of play that shows you, yes, there's a lot of talent there and he can play at the NHL level right now, but there's still these details that he needs to work on too. Absolutely. All right. Keep your thoughts coming into our text them box six fifty six fifty. You can also grab a phone line six oh four two eight zero zero six fifty or toll free one triple eight two seven five zero six fifty John and candy village says great thoughts by Matt in new west about Lindholm. Yeah. Got some good thoughts. We'll get to more thoughts from yours coming in and we'll talk more about Lindholm as the Canucks time to post game show continues presented by the number five orange of Vancouver legend. They've got sports too. More coming up next in the home here. Canucks sports net six fifty. Canucks talk with Jamie Dodd and Thomas trans will dive deep into all that's happening with the Vancouver Canucks. Listen 12 to two p.m. on sports net six fifty or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Canucks central post game show join the discussion on the official home of the Canucks sports net six fifty and the sports net radio network. Canucks loss lose a tough one for three in overtime against the Arizona Coyotes. The Canucks were down three one in the third storm back to tie it three three then lose an overtime for three and it was a game that you know had a bit of everything in this one. I mean Canucks had a chance to win it in overtime and Phillip Ronik a penalty shot opportunity wasn't able to convert on it and it was also a big narrative night especially when you looked at the big trade the Canucks made with the Arizona Coyotes a few years ago. We're being a Connor Garland and all of Rachma Larson back in return and the and what they gave up of course was well you know Louis Erickson, Russell guys that weren't coming back that's fine but they traded away the ninth over all pick the ninth over all pick ended up being Dylan Gunther and Dylan Gunther tonight had a big game for the Arizona Coyotes. He had one goal three assist four points on the evening of the 15 goals on the season on the Canucks Connor Garland after Gunther scored to make a three one he scored to say hold on a second and that trades not horrible because I'm still on the team and he's been playing fantastic recently so Connor Garland did score a goal tonight his 19th of the season Elias Patterson even got one on the power plate his 34th to tie things up and J.T. Miller also got on the board and it was a game where Quinn Hughes had three helpers on the evening getting him to over 90 points on the season becoming only the 10th defenseman in NHL history to crest 90 points in a campaign it's incredible what Quinn Hughes has done this year and yes we talked about the mistake he made out best game from him in terms of losing the puck which ended up being the three one goal to Dylan Gunther but it's pretty sensational what he's done for the entirety of the season now up to 91 points and his play making in particular I mean another three assist night for him that's his ninth three assist game of the season the only defenseman who's ever had more three assist games in a season is Bob Eor yeah Bob Eor said 10 13 a couple of times and then it's Quinn Hughes and Ray Bork with nine so I mean again these are the stats that keep coming up right with the other one was 200 assists over the course of a season it was Bob Eor Paul Coffey and Quinn Hughes like his offensive numbers are now regularly in the company of guys like Bob Eor Ray Bork Paul Coffey it's pretty remarkable to see yeah absolutely so I mean the Canucks they got some stuff done offensively they scored four you know three goals tonight the power play they did get one of course Elias Patterson and they got one when it mattered and the head coach mentioned shooting the puck it helps you know he liked and I think it's true like the first power play the Canucks got in the game not much happened it was early in the game too was less than a minute into it the second power play they were buzzing created a bunch of chances and then afterwards didn't quite look as good with the opportunities they had up until the last one when Elias Patterson finally decided to shoot the puck and the next thing you know the Canucks tied the game at three and he said maybe shooting the pucks the lesson and that's a positive thing and he bemoaned the fact that the Canucks had a lot of shot attempts and we mentioned this off the top and saying yeah the Canucks if you look at the overall shot totals he had 26 shots on goal but he had 75 shot attempts and only 26 got on goal which means they only got a third of their shot attempts on goal tonight yeah and that's something that has been an issue the last little while where a lot of the point they're also settling for a lot of point shots oftentimes too and that's one of the things where you're throwing a lot of pucks on net from angles that maybe aren't great not getting a ton on goal so that's why yes the Canucks dominated possession they did a lot of good things they out chance them on the totality significantly too but considering the amount of shot attempts they had they probably should have had more looks on goal too and at that talk its point also was looks you know shots are gonna miss the net that happens that's a part of hockey but if you're at least have guys around the net you know something it caroms off the board you're able to control it you get it down low you can still keep the play alive so I think it was kind of the combination for rick talk it of shots missing the net and then also not enough traffic at the net to kind of make the most of those shot attempts that they were getting yeah no absolutely Keith from haney texan and says great call from that new west I miss koozie but he lacked defense and you know Matt new west had a good call we'll get to more phone calls in a second but you know circling back to something he mentioned about it lies Lindholm which was echoed by the Canucks head coach talking about how well he played there was a couple of pk shifts spits in particular where you where he was an absolute demon and you know you pointed out to me to that man people don't realize that he has more size he's a big fella you know when he decides to use it he can really throw his weight around and use that strength and I really thought tonight was kind of a really good template for how Lindholm can help the Canucks I mean I think we all kind of know the story by now that maybe they wanted to use him in the top six that it just hasn't worked out so alright that's unfortunate but you can still get value out of this player and I think what we saw tonight where as you said he had some beastly shifts on the penalty kill including in the third period using his strength using his physicality and then you know I thought you saw some offensive flashes too didn't get on the score sheet but you know had a nice really nice short handed chance on a feed from Joshua on a two on one you saw how you know how much speed he can get on it on his shot in that instance you know he had some other kind of half chances around the net so I thought a really encouraging performance and kind of I think this is what it looks like for Lindholm be really good on the penalty kill play big play physical and use your shot when you can get it and if he does that I think he can still be a really really valuable playoff performer for the Canucks absolutely and now the playoffs are coming up pretty close what's left to be determined is where the Canucks are going to finish in the standings and who they play and obviously some consternation or there's winning and the Vancouver Canucks losing the cushion they had atop the Pacific Division all right we'll get to more of your text messages and more analysis as a show goes on here but as we mentioned let's go back to the foam boards and let's give our friend Nathan and Suri another go Nathan what's going on what are you thoughts here tonight hello hello can you guys hear me we got you hello oh my goodness my cell reception is absolutely bonkers out here I'm in the boonies boys this is crazy my goodness how you cowards doing tonight how's that midterm buddy oh yeah no I'll speak on the midterm absolutely you know what it actually also hold on first of all first of all is this like isn't this exam time this is a midterm time oh you know what professors are bonkers like they just call everything a midterm like I see it's so lazy at this point oh everything's a midterm time it's a midterm after midterms everything's a midterm they get like a first midterm second midterm third midterm that's that's you what goes all right what else do you have for us here today buddy 100% why would you get a call I everyone's calling you guys cowards in the text inbox here you know what do the persons I'd I'd much rather have you call me a person yeah yeah 30% 100% doing in person and like what are we doing here like just call in take two minutes what are you doing here all right three games left boys which is why like I feel like the season just started that's how much fun it's been this year and it's crazy that we get to listen to Sats buttery voice for a little bit longer in the post you know it's gonna be really nice but you know what else is wild how much of a joke that franchise Arizona is absolute joke like they're media posting this big AI plan for a new billion dollar entertainment district and then later it's announced that they might be moving to Utah absolute joke and like the owner of and leadership that organization what are they doing like for their players and their employees they're keeping them all on the bounce for so many years and humiliating them with that Mullen arena shenanigans like it's ridiculous it's pathetic athletes that I send them to Quebec for all I care honestly ridiculous yeah anyway when the yeah no no percent when is the desperation going to set in though before the third period for the boys I thought it wasn't a bad game tonight like it for the first two periods but I agree with a lot of the textures like why do we play so damn passive until the third period I don't know if you guys want to touch on that and then I just want to talk a little bit about the rust chances the boys have been creating or lack thereof I feel like under the target system that's one of our biggest issues is we don't create enough off the rush and I think we have the talent to be able to do so but I think because our breakout seems to be a bit more methodical than the Boo drill Canucks right with the defenders hitting the wing I are going to get it to be quite a bit and it's a little bit slower getting under zone that's how I feel at least less quick ups so I don't know if you guys have a comparison on that one but where are the Canucks like on the rush this year versus last year I would like to know that and then finally lastly boys I know Drance was on the on the Monday intermissions there and he was talking about being on the post game show and he's not allowed on the post game show to the Canucks in the cup right we can't be seeing that and then until the when the cup and Jamie you're you're in charge of that buddy you gotta I'll bar the door if he tries to get that all right thanks the whole hundred hundred percent and if he gets on oh man I'm roasting the crap out of that guy all right Nathan full marks full marks for me buddy for that performance yeah like it great nice appreciate it that is a Nathan and Surrey calling in so we say no Drance zone I told the when I when I when a cup on the post game show he's gonna be pretty busy when we have the post game shows going on anyways but we'll see if it makes an appearance at some point maybe we'll drag him over to say a word or two at some point I think I think actually the time to use Drance would be in a game just like this where the Canucks play well but people are really ticked off and he has to sit here and defend the way the Canucks played yeah that that's the time to use Drance on a post game show by the way just to to the callers points well it makes a few points or one he asked like hey when's the desperation in the set in as much as everyone wants to win the division I think it would be really disappointing if they don't to win the division this is not actually a desperation game you know what I mean like yes you want to win the division I completely understand that but being first for second in your division that's not make or break you know what I mean so yeah why would they be desperate in this game it's hard there's no point to be desperate in this game it's hard to manufacture the desperation but you know one thing I did not like in the second period when the Arizona made it one nothing they took over the game they started creating more scoring chances the Canucks for about 10 minutes went completely quiet in the second period nothing that's something that you don't want to see I can understand obviously that you know the opponent sometimes there will be ebbs and flows but that's the one thing I didn't like in the second they kind of just kind of let Arizona take over afterwards and took them a while to start generating and getting back into the game they look like the first goal kind of took the wins out of their sales for a little bit and they kind of were maybe almost caught off guard by it because they expected to be up and again I'm not saying the Canucks are above criticism in this game at all whatsoever of course there's things that could have done differently but I just think if you're expecting desperation a desperation performance from any team in this game specifically like you're kind of setting yourself up for disappointment it's not a desperation game I think we'll see that if we don't see the desperation in the playoffs then all right we will all be here pounding the table and criticize and asking where it is but that's a very different situation than tonight yeah I mean we saw desperation against Vegas for instance and that was just the other night we saw it here at Roger's arena too right so and Nathan is getting called out though for saying it's not fair calling the franchise the coyote's franchise a joke they came in and beat the Vancouver Canucks so what does that make the Canucks if the jokes beat the jokes I mean sure but yeah listen their performance tonight give them credit they worked hard you can still say that that entire organization is it's not about the players no the players are the players are in a tough situation they're doing their best the franchise is a joke the ownership has created a joke situation and that's why they might be going to Salt Lake City for next season they're playing an arena that has seats less than 4,000 people for goodness sake yeah no it is a joke of course it's a joke it's an embarrassment to the NHL nothing against the players the staff coaching staff behind the scenes of course I feel for them that's the toughest situation but ownership has created an embarrassing situation there and just to Nathan's other point about lack of rush chances I think that's absolutely fair to to criticize the Canucks for well let's put let's put this I shouldn't say to criticize I think it's fair to point it out they don't generate a lot off the rush but I think that's kind of how Rick Talkett has said okay this is how we need to play to have success and they have had success so yeah they don't generate a lot off the rush does it take maybe a little something away from Patterson or JT Miller's games not to be able to do that maybe but at the same time I mean those guys are putting up a lot of points this year it's not as if they haven't found what found ways to score so I hear what he's saying it's definitely something where you know they're not at the top they're not near the top of the league in terms of rush chances but I also think it's just part and parcel with Rick Talkett identifying the way this team needs to play to have success no for sure uh Mike says wrong boys home ice around to his a huge deal to match up against McDavid come on no the point he didn't say it's I'm not saying it's nothing no it's it's not make a break the point being you're right and the point being in terms of desperation against the opponent and listen L.A. lost Anaheim last night fagus has lost to I mean you know for all the talk about you know uh the Canucks you know beating Arizona closely they died at the time I mean Montreal took Edmonton to overtime not too long goes I mean these things happen and that's not to excuse it but of course the Canucks you want to see them when the division you want to see them have home ice advantage for as long as possible absolutely but in terms of desperation tonight against the Arizona Coyotes in for a game to mean everything like it did against air Vegas the other night stakes are somewhat different right and I think that's the point more than anything else that we're now we're trying to get across here all right keep your thoughts coming into our text in the box six fifty six fifty we'll hit some more as the show goes on here let's take one more phone call before we hit the break let's go to Maple Ridge where we have Gary on the line Gary thanks for calling in what do you have first tonight well I was uh I've been listening to your show and I'm gonna I'm gonna make a point here I'm there's a lot criticism it's more of a point than anything else uh first of all can you hear me okay yes we got you good um one game ago you saw um what we uh I unfortunately wasn't able to watch it but I listened to it and it was the McKinnon show three goals one one assist and it was not even the third period ten shots on goal now I've been watching Patterson uh I like him but he needs two wingers at least two good winners to do something McKinnon has two good wingers and and he scares he scares the life out of out of other hockey players Patterson isn't scaring anybody because he doesn't have the accompaniment that McKinnon has and uh I don't care about hog lander he isn't he he isn't uh the two he isn't the big guy that plays for uh for Colorado and then you get um the guy that used to play for Montreal uh he's not he's another guy that's big six one six two and he might wait two ten we don't have these guys and in my opinion I'm gonna say this we we have I hope we play uh Nashville in the in the playoffs because if we have if we play Edmonton or if we play uh Dallas or or um possibly uh uh Winnipeg we're gonna have problems because we simply we're a one and a half line hockey team and that's the JT Miller Joshua line with um Conor McDavid or Tano Garland and Patterson he needs a couple of winners and we just didn't do it thanks Gary hey what's in this and we're running up against the clock you're have to hit the break thanks to the phone call and we could talk about wingers for Patterson but he right now he has what 63 goals on his wing with Hulknander and Besser you know so it's one of those things now we'll talk more about what the coach had to say and we'll hear more from Canucks players plus Ian McIntyre right here on the Canucks Central Post Game Show presented by the number five orange on the home air Canucks sports net 650 miss any part of Halford and Bruv in the morning subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast and don't miss an episode this is where you talk Canucks you're listening to the Canucks Central Post Game Show on the official home of the Canucks sports net 650 and the sports net radio network Zadora off to center dumps it right corner on the coyote end hopes that three left side for JT Miller's tried to let it go back to Garland to the line but Nick Schmaltz breaks it up to center for Alex Kerfoot into the Vancouver zone back to Schmaltz right circle center in front Keller is robbed by she loves across to his right a remarkable right pad saying and it's still a one goal game thanks to the 23 year old Latvian an unreal stop from archer she loves Arthur she loves made a few saves not enough Canucks lose four three no overtime against the Arizona coyotes and this is the Canucks Central Post Game Show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks sports net 650 and the sports net radio networks out to your shot with Jamie Dodd a lot of reaction on our text inbox 650 650 Sabres Rob lack urgency can turn it off and on I hear wait for the playoffs then get urgency what why not urgency tonight please answer Sabres Rob I think it's not like they didn't have urgency it was more about why didn't they play with the desperation you know that that people wanted to see from them to have the season online it's like do you should I know the coaches talk about like play with playoff intensity you have to you know can't just turn it on and off but there's a different level come the post season that you can't match in the regular season and just like against Vegas the other night bigger stakes bigger game the emotional level was a lot higher the emotional level and game like this isn't going to be as high that's not to say that the Canucks are excused like we talk about some of the mistakes that they made but I think it's unrealistic to expect them to go out and play this game as if it's game one of the playoffs or as if they're going out and playing one of the top teams in a national hockey league that's the point and yes you can still criticize them for you know for not having enough of that urgency perhaps but we spoke to Brett Festerling right after the game former player and we asked him that he said I don't think urgency was the issue he just thought there's certain parts of the game that could have done a lot better out of course but that's what we mean by it that's not to say they know that excuses anything but you have to be realistic about the type of urgency that you get in a playoff game top opponent versus you know a game like this playoffs are different and look I know it's been a long time since we've you know fans in the stands to watch a playoff game or even to watch on TV a game a playoff game with fans in the stands so you know for a cannot for the Canucks anyway so maybe we've forgotten it a little bit but it's completely different beast and you're just not going to get playoff level intensity from the drop of the puck for 60 minutes in this situation and again you know people acting like this loss or a loss like this dooms the Canucks in the playoffs literally every playoff team in the western conference has a recent loss at least as bad as us even Dallas Dallas is a 9-1 you know what that one was they lost the Chicago Blackhawks like three days ago four days ago right Ebenton lost to St. Louis last week as you said LA lost Anaheim Vegas just got blown out by Arizona they give like six goals in the third period to the Arizona Coyotes Winnipeg has had bad losses they lost to Ottawa not that long ago literally every team in the western conference playoffs has a recent loss like this on their resume so it's not ideal it doesn't mean that you can't criticize them it doesn't mean that you can't find things they need to improve on of course you can but it doesn't mean they're doomed either it does not because if that was the case then no one's going to win a playoff round if that's the standard you're holding the team to absolutely absolutely I'm with you there a hundred percent keep your thoughts coming in to our text unbox 650 650 we'll hit some more as the show goes on I didn't want to bring something up somebody did text in about Phillip Ronik earlier um I don't know if I can find the text in time I don't want to spend too much time looking for it but there we go you have it yeah Zorro and Vancouver hey gentlemen what happened to Ronik what is causing his lack of production since the all-star break surely it isn't the contract talks he was blasting one timers that were the scariest shots in the league that's from Zorro in Vancouver so yes he was blasting shots but his shot rate hasn't really changed dramatically I think one of the things with Phillip Ronik he has a really good shot but he's not a very high-volume shooter he's shooting it at about the same rate he was shooting earlier this year and at the same rate he's been shooting it for his career generally speaking like there hasn't been much of a change and earlier this season when he was a scoring he was getting tons of assists people like he needs to shoot the puck more and it's like well he's not shooting less like he's not a high-volume shooter then he scored on a few goals people like yeah now he's getting a shot through and it's like yes but he's he's not a guy that shoots a ton and I think he's also a player that generally if you look back in the last two years he's been a first half player with his production so last year with the Detroit Red Wings he had his most prolific season and that's why a lot of people were surprised that he got traded of course at the deadline he had 24 points in his first 25 games last year with the Red Wings 24 points in 25 games that's not that wasn't playing with Quinn Hughes wasn't playing with more each side or they're both righties right so you know he he can produce points but then in the final 39 games before he got injured and was done for the season he had 15 points look out of this year the first 42 games were a lot better because he went 42 games obviously playing with Quinn a better team 36 points in his first 42 games since then 12 points in his last 36 this is two years in a row now if you look through his previous history too he's been more productive in the first half than he is in the second half so this might just be the type of player that he is starts very very hot tails off a little bit with his production hopefully he can be more consistent but he's sitting at what 48 points on the campaign and if he does get the 50 or not that's a nice number even 50 but doesn't it change the discussion around his worth contractually and how there's a sentiment that he can demand easily 8 million plus or whatever I mean if you're barely getting 50 points does that scream 8 you know 8 million plus per year if he was getting 60 plus I would understand I'm just not sure that he's producing enough to put himself in a different stratosphere money wise it's definitely a lot different from what he was on pace for earlier in the season right where if he puts up you know 65 points or something like that then he's looking at an absolute monster number but you know if he gets to 50 even like 50 that's a really good number for a defenseman and I think I think the thing about philipronic and you know this is one of those things where there's been so many there were so many disruptions for a few years there in the NHL that sometimes guys raw numbers if you just look at it and say oh his career career high before this was 38 points right well he had 38 and 60 last year right so it was not like 38 was in the full 82 you know a couple years before that he had 26 but in only 56 games right first year in the league he had 23 and 46 so you add it all up and he's well above a half point of game per game in his career and that's really good like that's averaging over 40 points per 8 or 2 games in his NHL career so 50 or not I agree if you if he was putting 60 then I think we're in a completely different stratosphere but I still think having a good year a really good year in terms of production even as much as it's tailed off and his career track record of production it puts him in a really really strong point now that doesn't mean I think they should pay him eight million dollars but if he decides to go to arbitration in the summer I think he's gonna have a really strong case still even with the tail off to put forward an arbitration yeah it's for the one year on the arbitration right and for the Canucks I don't think they have any interest in letting it get to arbitration so it's going to be one of those things where you kind of have to make a decision by the draft where you sign or you trade because the last thing you want to do is get into a situation where he goes to ARP gets the reward and you can't trade him and then he goes becomes UFA like you don't you can't back yourself with that position and you need to build out your team on July 1st right and arbitration doesn't happen to later in the summer so they need cost certainty one way or another I think before it gets to that point but as much as we look at it and say oh his numbers have fallen off yes every look you know every point either helps or hurts but his case is still really strong yeah it absolutely is all right we'll try to get some more of your thoughts as a show goes on fill in the naimos says guys first time are going to a game I was disappointed with the result but being able to see a live 10 rows up on the coyote side was pretty good to watch a lot of fun that's filling a naimo congrats and go your first game and and hopefully an enjoyable one the tough one to look it's always a bummer obviously when you're at a game and it's a big event and they lose but I will say at least you know a pretty dry game for a lot of it the third period a lot of excitement fans had a reason to cheer the building got loud and then obviously a really eventful over time as well so I'm happy for fellam happy for the for the fans in general and you know you and I were talking that's the third period against the Arizona Coyotes and the building got really loud right they they rose the fans rose to the occasion this building is going to be absolutely on fire when the playoffs to hear not too long yeah I can't wait and hopefully the connection topped the division so we can you know bring down the angst heading into the postseason that'd be nice there's lots of existential dread right now connects losing the first round loss of text like that coming up first I mean not only other connects losing the first round according to many in the text inbox are getting swept getting swept in the first round so hopefully that does not come to pass all right we'll try to hit more of your text messages but let's get some player audio after disappointing four three loss on home ice and overtime against the Arizona Coyotes and one player who tonight did return to line up and overall played well is a lies Lindholm and here he is answering a question about how he felt being out there for the first time after being out injured no I mean I felt pretty good obviously only missed two and a half weeks but so wasn't too long so I mean overall the time was there so pretty good tough after such a big win on Monday to wind up a point short here today yeah yeah I think obviously the first period was we're playing pretty pretty good hockey and then obviously in the second we kind of fell off and then they take over and then you know we had a better good push there at the end but yeah obviously when I put myself in a good spot there before playoffs and feel good about our game so obviously tonight was it's not good enough had playoff hockey in Calgary was this team with four games to go where do you think it is in its prep and its readiness for the what's coming up yeah obviously the way we played today wasn't wasn't playoff hockey and wasn't good enough and obviously we have three more games here to you know put herself in in a good spot and and feel feel good about our game and and get some confidence so obviously we're going to play some good teams so it's going to be a good stretch here for us feel the strength and velocity under your shot and puck handling that is back to where you want it to be yeah yeah I feel feel good how do you think you and uh blue girl played together on the penalty kill tonight yeah yeah or I think pretty good obviously had a had a break where they're a good chance and and I thought we we put some good pressure on them so yeah it was uh what's good last lend home talking about his performance tonight returning to the lineup after a tough four three loss against the Arizona coyotes and uh it's one of those things where it was good to see him back and the coach gave him a lot of praise for the way he played a lot of people are text them box in the foam boards when they called in gave him praise for the way he played on the pk he certainly looked a lot more engaged and a very more robust with his overall game here tonight so it was nice to see from from a lies lend home and it's nice to see the man we call the triple threat graces with his presence in studio on the post game show you watch him on tv you read him on digital you're about to hear him on radio he is Ian McIntyre huh aren't we we have some we have some problems back at at the studio fast Eddie's doing his best tonight there's just some issue uh he's got the music there we go for 15 minutes this was the best part about tonight it was more or less this music this at least this music he clips the first 50 minutes yes trying to say although I did think the pause in the no music was fittingly anti-climactic for the game tonight which i have an anti-climactic end for the canada I thought maybe it was no music because last time I came on I said no music no music no music no that wasn't why I mean we have a bit more time tonight because we're going to midnight a bit later and I was kind of wondering the game was the overtime or is mac gonna have enough time to get everything done and to be able to join us but clearly you're able to so what's your overall what's your big takeaway then you called me mac mac oh I love that you like that below verklept I need a moment okay we'll call you mac because iMac is basically a stage name right people in my real life call you mac yeah well they call me Ian or like my soccer guys they'll call me mac mac okay very few people call me iMac it's just like a stage yeah no yeah see I've heard trans call you mac and I didn't know if that was just like trans being obstinate or but apparently not well in most cases yeah there's a fair bet a fair bet you'd be safe with that assumption yeah no it's it's mac but um by the way what's wrong with me that when I walk in here what I notice is there's a white spot burger it has your name on it we've talked about this you can't eat an old cold burger yeah although i'm sure the white spot burger if you were gonna eat an old one that's why you would have be the choice if you're desperate enough would be the choice but I also notice squirreled away a little behind them kind of keeping it out of you sats got a to go bowl oh that's not mine full of some oh no that's i already ate mine that's why that's not mine what's in the to go bowl uh it's like salad it's actually a pretty tasty salad it's kind of like a it's i don't know if it's an acai before whatever fall okay you lost me itself but it has yeah it has it has quinoa rice oh yeah quinoa sure blueberries i think that's cottage cheese um goodness get that out of here yeah a lot of veggies it was good but if you've got quinoa cottage cheese sitting behind you meanwhile i thought maybe it was a tuna poke bowl sorry go ahead i had a giant slice of uh billy minor pie that was left over in the broadcast gone to love before the game and the reason uh we had that uh dominic traumatic brought it because apparently john short house had never had that type of a cake before and his love i'm amazed because i'm sure shorty has been to the keg yes and i work to the keg everyone's worked it well you murph everybody has murph has worked well that's pretty much everybody that's everybody who matters yes exactly me and murph have worked at the keg the ojeez i worked i worked at red robin not good enough for the keg oh no that was like but red robin that was like double a get the keg is major me yeah you had to go from red robin to maybe earls i never i never got the column okay i went from red robin to steamworks so i was working i was working my way up i know it just didn't just didn't happen i was really doing his steamworks were you behind the bar no i was uh i was a chef one cook wow chef i was a lion cook like now do do you cook well i know and i it's so different in a restaurant setting right it's not like i'm making the recipes or anything i mean especially red robin it's i had to laugh once this is we're so we haven't even talked about the game yet but i read robin welcome to my closer appearance i made a caesar salad and uh the waiter came back and said hey the guests wanted me to tell you that was the worst caesar salad they've ever had and it's like well i literally just scooped the dressing out of a big drum that they come in and put it on on the lettuce so i'll really take that to heart well you need anchovy that's the key that is easier that's it most people don't realize that now you know i i really like to cook and i flatter myself i i can cook well for my family but i just crumble if there's more than six people to feed so pressure against you i'm in awe of the restaurant like i'd love the idea of if i could just do something for fun after i you know fail at this what i'm doing now because i'm sure any day now the gig the the jig's gonna be up but i think it's be so much fun just to work in a restaurant like it just for fun like in a good restaurant a good kitchen doing whatever but i know that there's no way that i could feed more than like six people at a time now i don't i can't multi i can't keep track of it all like are you a recipe guy when you cook or are you a freelancer uh i'm i generally have started with recipes and then i remember most of them and then i freelance and i change i change certain things yeah i need a recipe you need a recipe go by you know what it has been and i started this during the pandemic i started subscribing to the sunday new york times because i thought maybe someday saddle come to my house and you'll see it lying in the corner wow yeah i'm very impressed the new york times is there but you know when when you subscribe to the new york times you get the new york times cooking app oh wow absolutely fantastic like you enter any any food or dish name or anything in it and like call it put in holiday sauce you'll get 14 recipes for all they sauce ranging from the really complicated and and you know all the minutia that goes into it to one that you can throw together so how's the show going oh yeah i mean great now fantastic fantastic now it's a nice change of pace but bringing it back to the game like what was your big takeaway from this fourth re-loss against the coyotes you know what it it i used as a lead and i normally avoid cliches uh like the plague because i just written that was one of the things i remembered from journalism schools that a cliche exists for the sole purpose of hunting it down and killing it from your coffee no matter how we speak don't let it get into print in that way uh because they're so vapid they they just you know they lose their meeting but i did use the cliche noting that it's a cliche uh one step forward two steps back it has a lot more gravity when there's only three paces left until the playoffs and this team for 23 games now has been trying to find and sustain because we've seen it at times and including just two nights ago yeah that elite level that brought them to the top of the national hockey league through two-thirds of the season but they haven't been able to do it and now you know the idea that they're now going to do it in the last three games maybe they will but it's probably not likely and i thought tonight it was just kind of them the Canucks in a nutshell not for the season because the season yeah you know in the end when the emotion is kind of drained from it and obviously the most emotional part is still to come and how they do in the playoffs but eventually you're going to look back at this season and the numbers for the team and the numbers for the players and we're all going to concede this has been a historically good season for them one of the probably their third best season that they've ever had and as i said the other night maybe the most uh surprising the most unexpected and and that counts for for something as well but just how they played tonight i thought it was the last five or six weeks in a nutshell like they were fantastic at the end when they were desperate and they played with that urgency and they were fairly dreadful in the middle period and and they worked hard in the first bit it's not like people they all they didn't try or that that's tries gotten on to do with them yeah they they played hard in the first period like they gave up i think two shots right but they didn't generate anything and then once Arizona got a goal in the second period that kind of energized them and then they took over the game for a while and i thought tonight was you know that's kind of how the last month and a half or so has gone for Vancouver where they have these spells sometimes entire games again like the other night against Colorado where they're they're very good and then they have other spells where they just they look like the team everybody thought they were going not everybody but a lot of the skeptics thought that they were going to be which is you know playoff bubble marginal marginally good team and so now it's it's left for them to try to figure out okay how do they get most of that elite level team to show up in the playoffs because as as Lindholm said after like tonight it you know in the end how they played this isn't going to win them a playoff game no matter who they're playing next week you know unless the other team's goalie just falls on his face or something you know that that's not going to get it done so you know it's kind of disappointing but really it's not surprising given again what we've seen for the last 23 games before these final three coming up well i think you're right that the timing of this performance really makes a difference because if this happens you know middle of January i think it's a lot easier to just say well you know you have played them you tried hard of a third period but you end up dropping the point having said that i also think you're right that with only three games remaining i mean how much can they do to kind of establish that playoff performance if they beat Edmonton on Saturday they'll still end up to win the division i think a lot will be forgiven about about this kind of iffy stretch they've had here yeah yeah i would i would agree with that i mean the division is significant for a lot of reasons for this team you know having let it i think they i'll have to go back and double check i think they took over the division lead on December 21st so that's a long time ago to be in first and although even you guys are too young to remember 2003 it'll feel awfully disappointing if having been in the lead for all that time in the last week of the season the Canucks have it stolen out from under them it'll be kind of like this another little blow yeah going in into the playoffs but i do think though and i don't totally disagree with you Jamie but i think unless they play consistently at a higher level even winning the division like if they let's say Edmonton loses a couple and they they win but maybe they you know don't look good in all three games maybe they win two and lose one and you know the Canucks being them maybe you know they'd beat the good teams and lose lose on Tuesday i'm not the Calgary's a bad team but they're you know a middle of the road team i just think they have to no matter who they play no matter where they finish in this division no matter who they're they're playing two weeks from now when we're all at another level of excitement they have to play with more consistency at a higher level than what we have seen for a long time oh they absolutely do and the the thing to that we've been looking at is guys getting back healthy Lindholm comes back tonight that's positive and i thought for a guy that obviously has a risk injury as you have been reporting and if he needed more time there was no need bringing him back with four games left so i think it was a really big positive the question now comes with Thatcher Dempco is he going to play on Saturday should we be concerned at all that it's taking longer from the comeback is it just part of the plan Lindholm was a good sign so you feel good about him and now we're just kind of waiting for Thatcher Dempco to show us that hopefully he's also flying for the playoffs yeah as drons would say it's suboptimal well i especially wonder and we had somebody text in about this i mean all of a sudden with the stakes of that game on Saturday does it change your plan for Dempco is it it's a tough spot to bring him back saying okay hey there's a muslin game for us all of a sudden so yeah here you go Thatcher but do you want to put to Smith or she loves in that spot also it's uh it's a bit of a conundrum i think going into that game well that's the other part the suboptimal is to smith you know it just feels a little bit like midnight has struck yeah on him at least as a starter and he he was fabulous you know the first seven games and but the last two games it just feels like it's now gotten to be too much and and i know that he's disappointed in the you know the overall performance the last two games and is on himself a little bit it's it feels like you know two weeks ago that felt like okay well if Dempco's not right on top for he's not ready to start well look at how Casey's playing and yeah the Canucks could win a couple of playoffs games maybe they can win around with Casey to Smith but now it doesn't it doesn't really feel that way now it feels like it's vital that Dempco is back and and in top form and you know no matter what there's no way and we're probably gonna be told that oh yeah two games that's plenty two games maybe he can be in top form but you'd rather have eight right spread out not eight in a row of course going into the playoffs so there's no way to sort of spin this or or couch it like oh this is really positive that Thatcher is going to get a couple of games in because you know it doesn't change the fact it was really negative that he's missed the whole yeah month of run-up into into the playoffs but it does feel like they got to get him back and and I think really if again if you're just looking at what do they need to be as ready as they can for the playoffs then having Thatcher Dempco play three games instead of two and I don't know that he would necessarily play all three maybe that would maybe that's unwise although the games are obviously spread out if if you think you need the reps against Edmonton to help Thatcher be ready then I say you play him against Edmonton even if it means maybe you have the last chance to win that night or certainly an unknown quality to it by playing Thatcher instead of she loves again and I don't think that at this point I don't think you can go back to Casey on Saturday and she loves you know this didn't look great on the second goal where standing up the puck went went past him but I don't think tonight's really on on him and the way that he he kind of dug in against Colorado after the first two pucks went by him I think really impressed this coaching staff and you know he would probably right now would be a better bet to win one game I'm not saying a playoff series that you could do that with she loves but you know if you're trying to squeeze one more game out of somebody whether it's to smith or she loves I think she loves is the guy yeah and to me it's if he is it's very slight like because because as good as he's been the degree of difficulty for she loves has not been super high like the games that he's played there has been like tonight you know Arizona had like five hiding your scoring chances and some of the goals were off deflections too right that they weren't great but I'm just I'm concerned about the degree of difficulty when if he has to be under real duress he hasn't really had that yet outside of the first couple minutes against Vegas so that's the one thing I'm to the to the overall point and I think you nailed it if you don't have Thatcher Dempco your chances of doing anything in the playoffs obviously or diminish significantly whether it's she loves or case of the smith between the pipes but that brings us to the end of the show we've been going late tonight almost midnight and maybe a sign of things to come in the postseason hopefully for a long long run here that cottage cheese is looking good looking better and better I've heard cottage cheese gets better the longer it stays enough so unrefrigerated that cheese burgers yeah that in tesburg is that a lot of age a little bit suboptimal yeah it says not optimal that's that's absolutely for sure he's in mag guitar make sure to read his latest on sportsnet.ca and thanks Jamie Daup is stepping in on the post game show the last few nights it's been a lot of fun he's back on conux talk with Thomas Drans tomorrow I'm a conux central and if you haven't already you can go to conux.com/telethon an incredible night a lot of great donations a lot of great stories it's very heartwarming to see the fan base and the community come together for a night like this and if you still have some time you want to get in on it you can conux.com/telethon all right thank you all for listening participating it's always a pleasure i'm sat here i saw Jamie Daup Ian McIntyre and thanks a fast Eddie Gregory this has been the conux central post game show presented by the number five orange on the home of your conux sportsnet 650.
