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OJ Dead at 76: Remembering the Trial that Changed America | 4.11.24 - The Grace Curley Show Hour 1
And that sakatas are coming. (light music) - Live from the Ibiba Trattria studio, it's The Grace Curly Show. - We gotta bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice, Grace Curly. - You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. - Especially Grace, Grace stand up. - Here's the millennial with the mic, Grace Curly. (light music) - Hello everyone and welcome back to The Grace Curly Show. Thank you for joining us on this rainy and chilly Friday, junior. You know, some days prepping for the show. You know, you get things planned, Jerry, you dot your eyes, you cross your tees, you get some guests lined up, you do some research, and then a story breaks and you realize, yeah, all of this was for not. - The whole plane was just slashed right away. - There's that expression you don't wanna pee in the wind, you know, you just wanna roll with it. And I think that's what I've come to terms with today, at least for this first hour. So that's why for the opening of The Grace Curly Show today, we will not be talking about climate change, John Kerry's daughter getting a nice gig at the World Health Organization, Biden's weird state dinner with Jeff Bezos and Hilary Clinton and Robert De Niro, a real who's who of people you wouldn't wanna sit with at a dinner and who's horrible. - Yes, and we also have Arizona Supreme Court news. I have a piece out and spectator about the abortion, the abortion issue and how it's gonna affect Trump and also the Israel Hamas war and how that's going to affect Biden, which I encourage you to check out. Rashid Tyei being chased down the hallways of Capitol Hill by Hilary Vaughn from Fox News, Peter Ducey's wife. Really great stuff from Hilary Vaughn. I will play that sound. If you think I'm letting that sound go to waste, you are dead wrong, but I think we gotta start today with what's leading, you know. We gotta go with it. Oh, Jason Simpson. - Damn, Jeffrey Cuban, at least Pee Wee Herman was in an X-rated movie theater. I'm just playing. - That is how we know on this show, that is the most common cut that we're gonna play of O.J. Simpson. That is the one that we, it's the most recurring sound. - Of all his cuts, that's the one we'll be playing today. - Yeah, but he's one of the most infamous figures in modern American history. Died today at 76 from cancer. He at one point, and I don't need to give, I know you all know who he is, you know. It's one of those things where you write something down to explain to people as if I'm going to, at 31, explain to my listeners who, not all of you, but some of you are older than me. I'm gonna give you a history lesson on who O.J. Simpson is as if you've all been under rocks. I think you know who he is, but just for the sake of, again, dotting our eyes and crossing our T's. One of, at one point was a beloved NFL football player. People loved him. He was, you know, kind of America's sweetheart for a while. And then he became a tabloid sensation after the murder of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown, in 1994. And the subsequent car chase trial captivated the nation as most Americans were glued to their television sets. And some people think it kind of started this wave of true crime, TV, tabloid, sensational, Nancy Gray style viewing of these trials. And I would agree with that. And of course, the outcome of the trial, his acquittal only made the story bigger and more controversial. And the weird, always the weird part, I mean, there's a lot of weird parts to it, but then he did end up serving jail time, but it had nothing to do with Nicole Brown. It was nine years later, he was caught in armed robbery, kidnapping, it had to do with sports memorabilia. It was in Las Vegas and a Las Vegas hotel. So he did end up serving nine years in prison, but not for what you would have thought. It was a weird ending to it. And then later, a lot of good deal of time after that, he came on the scene as kind of this commentator on everything from pop culture to sports to political news. He was like weighing in from the golf club about what he thought about Trump and Biden and nobody really asked for it, but he didn't care. He was gonna, he was gonna make his voice heard either way. And I was recently watching, 'cause I don't know if I've told people this, but I don't tend to watch movies. I tend to go to like old shows that I've already seen a million times, but I've been trying to just turn on different movies that I've never seen because I think that it's more beneficial. Like it actually, sometimes it teaches you something. And one of the movies I watched recently was Itanya. And at the end of Itanya, her ex-husband is, you know, he's like narrating the movie and he says, and then all of a sudden one day, the media packed up all their stuff and they left 'cause they were on his front lawn. They just one day packed up their stuff and they left. And in the corner, it's like the last scene in the movie, in the corner, you see the TV and you see OJ Simpson on the TV. In other words, one scandal was overtaken by another. And that was the only thing that got the media off. This guy's back was OJ Simpson, 'cause he just, he took up all the air in the room and everyone was focused on it. And what I think I wanna start with today is I wanna open the phone lines and I want people to call in and let us know if you remember where you were, either A, during the car chase. That's really what I wanna hear about is where people were when they got all of that news at once. Like OJ Simpson, football player we've all known and loved is now on the run because they think he killed his wife or his ex wife. I would love to know where you were for that. And number two, your experience watching the trial, because keep in mind, I'm 31, I was a toddler when this was all happening. My parents have told me that they remember more watching the trial. They remember more like carving out time during the day to sit by a TV and watch that. At one point, I think we were in Disney World and my grandmother was there and my dad said, I remember your grandmother sitting in between your mom and I in a hotel bed, the three of us just staring at the TV and he was like, how did this happen? How did I get here? But I wanna hear those stories because I think that it is one of those cultural moments that people have cemented in their brains. And I don't, so I'd love to hear from people. Jared, this, and I warned this. - As the resident elder. - I said, this is one of those times, Jared, where you being old as dirt is going to come in handy for us. So if you would, sir, and the weird thing is, I think we recently talked about this because like I said, oh, just-- - Yeah, we're talking about this, like launching the true crime. - It really did. - Fascination. - I don't think people understood. I don't think people in the media and executives at these television networks. I don't think they understood how morbid and weird the American appetite for this stuff was until O.J. Simpson. And then they were like, okay, we gotta tap into this. - Ratings gold. - Nancy Grace, I mean, people were obsessed. They could watch this stuff all day long. So, Jared, give us, before we go to the callers here, and again, the number's 844-500-4242. I don't care where you were, I don't care what your story is, I just wanna hear it. Jared, where were you? Give us the rundown of when O.J. Simpson was on the run. - All right, so I, we joked that I'm old, but I think I was 15 at the time. So I don't, I remember the chase. I was probably at work. So I wasn't like watching the chase. - Were you in California? - No, I was still here, yeah. I was still here. - And here it was happening at like five or six at night, right? - Yeah, something like that. And I, yeah, I worked like three to nine-ish. So I probably was at work, I remember hearing about it. And I do remember more than that, the trial. Again, I didn't watch a ton of it 'cause, you know, I was, I'm a teenager, it's like somewhat fascinating. It's on the TV. But I was working or I had drama club, right? You know, I was doing other stuff, so I wasn't home. - But you did tell us a couple weeks ago. - I remember, I remember in high school, the vice principal, the vice principal, 'cause the verdict came down during the day. I remember the vice principal came on over the public address system in the school and gave us the verdict that OJ was found not guilty. I think I was in French class, but don't quote me on that. But I do remember that. - Did they try to give it to you in French as well? Did they just say like, oh, what's all translators now? - They did not. Ornthol James does not really translate into Francais. - You know what's so crazy is that you told this-- - It was, I mean, it was an obsession. I mean, it was the only thing going at the time. - And if we had only known the butterfly effect of the OJ Simpson case that led to the Kardashians. - Oh yeah. - And Caitlyn Jenner and like it opened up this Pandora's box of pop culture. - It's still haunting us. - You told that story a couple weeks ago and I remember being kind of flabbergasted by it when you said, oh yeah, they got on the speaker at school and they told us over the PA system that OJ Simpson had been acquitted. And I remember I went home that night and I was on the phone with my mom and I told her that. And then I started to think about it. My mom was laughing. She was like, yeah, that's kind of nuts. And they're sure to think about it. I'm like, why shouldn't they tell you? I mean, everybody's, you know, you're 15. They know you're following it. It's a current event. You guys are going to be left in the dark until like four o'clock. Now we can cancel school for the solar eclipse. - We barely had internet. And that's the other part of this too. Like we couldn't go online and watch this stuff. We couldn't really go online and get information. There was no Twitter. There was no alternative news. It was just you have network television, inside edition, all the other shows. And I mean, it was ubiquitous. It was everywhere. It was the only thing people were talking about. And there were people really, I mean, there were people who at that time, like there's no way he could have done this. - Really? - There really were people who just, it's O.J. Like they thought, it's O.J. O.J is like the all-American guy. He couldn't have done this. They just could not believe that this guy that they liked so much, this likable guy, like they couldn't believe that he actually did it. - They were O.J. true. - And then the trials started and they're like, (mumbles) - Yeah. - Yeah, he did it. - They were O.J. dead enders. - Yeah. - Well, Jared had said to me today, he's like, why don't we make the poll question, do you think O.J. did it, you know, because O.J. died today in case you're just tuning in, he died 76 from cancer. And I said, no, that's stupid. Nobody's gonna vote that they don't think O.J. did it. Jared was like, well, you know, back in the day. - Maybe a couple of dead enders. - I said to Howie, I called him this morning and I was asking him about it 'cause I asked him how to manage her. I said, where were you? And she said, she was pregnant with Charlotte. And she said, I had horrible morning sickness. And I remember Howie being downstairs and telling me, you gotta come see this, you gotta come see this, you gotta come to the TV. O.J. Simpson's on the run. And she just didn't feel well and was like, hey, no, no, no. And I thought, wow, imagine Howie, when that's going on, probably losing his mind. Howie loves anything current events, anything that's like taking over the airwaves. That had to be the biggest, I wonder what people, the 90s were just a wild time. 'Cause like I just said, so you have Tonya Harding then right after you have O.J. Simpson. And you guys are coming. - Richard Jewell was the 96. - Bill Clinton was the 92, right? - Bill Clinton was the 90s. - Yeah, I mean, what a decade. - Just so, and you were there for a decade. - The internet started, Bill Gates, Seattle, like all of it, just, yeah, everything. Michael Jordan. - They didn't come over to the VA system with Monica Lewinsky, did they? - They did not. - That was actually-- - But you had to think about it, which is kind of nuts. - I think I was actually in college for the, that was 98, I think. - Oh, that was later. - I was actually in college for the Lewinsky stuff, but yeah. - Wow. - Yeah, it was a wild time to be alive. - Let's go to the college here. We'll start it out, Jared, and then we'll take it for the first hour. Whoa, we'll splice some other news stories in there too. But I wanna hear from the listeners here. Julie, your first up today, go ahead, Julie. - Hi, I'm 62 years old, so I remember all the things you guys are talking about. I don't remember exactly where I was on the OJ driving down the highway. I did see it on television. But what I do remember is when the verdict came down, I was an order taker on the phones for LLB, and we, you know, there's a bunch of people in the room, and all of a sudden it got quiet. No phone calls were coming in because, oh my gosh, they're about to read the verdict. And I'm telling you, worldwide nobody was calling LLB, and it's constant order after order after order. So when the verdict came down, we all just, there was an audible gas in the silent room. And then a few minutes later, then the call started coming back. So, yep, okay, now we all know. And it's kind of like what happened the other day with the eclipse, I'm in Scarborough, Maine, and I went to Sam's Club and it's like, oh my gosh, where is everybody? Oh, they're all, they all drove up to, you know, press dial or whatever. I don't know. - Yeah, the world stands still for a minute, but to your point, Julie, and then quickly people move on. That's the craziest thing is that life does go on. Hold on, Julie, we're gonna come back, hold on everybody on the lines. We're gonna come back to this. We've got people who wanna talk about where they were when, and it could be either OJ on the run, verdict comes down, just watching the trial, what you remember, feel free to weigh in with anything. The Nossa Beach Inn just opened reservations for spring. Jared, what do you remember the most about the Nossa Beach Inn? - I just remember how just peaceful and tranquil it was. It was a great getaway. My wife and I loved it. We went down in December and the off-season on the Cape is great, and these rates for April and May, you're still in the off-season/pre-season for everything. So you'll get to enjoy some of the solitude and the ambiance down there, but we loved walking along the beach. You can hear the waves, we didn't have to fight crowds, we could get reservations. The fire pits are amazing. We love sitting out by the fire pits and having our morning coffee. Every room has a fireplace and picture windows, so even if it's colder, it's a little damp and rainy, like today is, you could stay inside, you'd be nice and cozy. It's the perfect getaway, it's not far away. It's everything you're looking for, for relaxing, good time. - And right now, you could book your April stay at the Nossa Beach Inn for just $2.49.99 a night, and May, which is gonna be here before you know it, is gonna be $2.59.99 a night. So those are awesome deals for you. Go to nossapeachin.com, that's nossatpeachin.com. 844-542-42, we're talking OJ and what you remember about the verdict, the card chase, the trial, when we come back. Don't go anywhere. - You're listening to The Grace Curly Show. (dramatic music) - This is The Grace Curly Show. (upbeat music) - Fox has learned here, we have just learned that OJ Simpson has died at the age of 76, his family putting out this statement just moments ago. On April 10th, our father, Arendthal James Simpson, succumbed to his battle with cancer. He was surrounded by his children and grandchildren. During this time of transition, his family asked that you please respect their wishes for privacy and grace. - Yeah, so that was Fox News. OJ Simpson died yesterday. His family announced it today via his X account. And you know, Jared was just Googling it, and he said, "Oh, I didn't realize Jeffrey Tubin wrote a book about OJ Simpson." Yeah, I think that's-- - Thanks for the text, or who sent that in, yeah. - Yeah, I think that's how Jeffrey Tubin wrote a book in here. - Yeah, I think that's how Jeffrey Tubin first came on the scene. And that's why OJ Simpson felt compelled to comment on Jeffrey Tubin being caught pleasuring himself on a Zoom call. It's just, it's just so strange. What a tangled web we weave. And it's like six degrees of Jeffrey Tubin, I guess, or maybe six degrees of OJ Simpson. But we're going to the callers now, we've got full lines to talk about OJ. Let's go to Jen, you've been on the line since the beginning, go ahead, Jen. - Hi, Grace. - Hi, what's going on? - Hi, it's really me. It's really you. Yes, I was a freshman in UMass Amherst at the time of the OJ trial. And I just remember everybody, especially when Kato Kalen was on the stand. I mean, that guy was just pure entertainment, not a lot of people going to classes during that time. And I was walking through the Southwest campus when the verdict came out. And the place went crazy. There are all these high-rise, tall dormitories. And all the windows opened and like people were throwing stuff out the windows, just screaming. The juice is loose, the juice is loose. It was crazy. I was really surprised that so many people were happy with the verdict. - Yeah, that is crazy, Jen. So, Jared, do you remember Kato Kalen? - Yeah, I actually met Kato Kalen. He, in 2004, it was the, I don't want to say 10th anniversary, but it was the 10th anniversary of the whole thing. And Kato Kalen actually came on the sports show I was doing at the time and gave us like an hour and talked about the whole thing. I mean, just, like she said, just entertainment nonstop with that guy. He was like this goofy surfer dude guy who like slept on OJ's couch for a while. - But he was at OJ's house when it happened. He was not at Nicole Brown's. - No, no, he was, yeah. - But he was able to tell them, you know, OJ's whereabouts before and after that. - Yeah, I mean, he just, yeah. He was just talking all the OJ stuff. It was great. But yeah, Kato, constant entertainment, Jen. You were right on that one. - All right, thank you very much, Jen. I want to give Dave, Scott, Barbara, everybody on the lines, their time to shine here in their minute or two to tell us what they remember the most. So just hang on 'cause we will be right back. We're talking OJ Simpson dead at 76 after a battle with cancer and became a tabloid sensation. And you know, they're not showing any cuts. That's what happens when you get involved with something like this. There's no cuts of OJ playing football right now. That's not making me early. - Well, those aren't the cuts he's famous for. - No, there's all tape of him or video of him at the trial and when the verdict was read. We'll take more of your calls on this. Where were you when the juice was loose? Don't go anywhere. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) Live from the Aviva Trattria studio. - Well, let's get to OJ, OJ Simpson's lawyers say they don't want the families of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in the courtroom during the trial. They're afraid the presence of the family members will just remind OJ of how much more killing he still has to do. (audience laughs) - I remember when I was young, I asked my mom because it went on for years, the jokes about OJ Simpson and how he did it and he got off and I said, "But people died. You know when you're little, you don't get something." I said, "Why do they get to make jokes about it?" And my mom, I remember my mom explaining to me like, the jokes they're making are supposed to make him feel bad, not the families feel bad. And do you get what I'm saying? - Yeah. - It's supposed to let people know that we're aware that he did this and we're not gonna pretend that he didn't. And on that note actually, Fred Goldman, father of Ron Goldman, came out today and issued a statement just saying that this is a reminder of how long his son has been gone and how much they miss him. And I also remember my mom telling me that, that she was, you know, since then there's been all of these, all of these TV shows made about it and mini series and things like that. And I remember my mom telling me that she was always amazed at the Goldman family and how classy and strong they were and how much restraint they had in the face of this tragedy, this atrocity that occurred. And so Ron Goldman's father came out today with a statement and we are taking calls from people just to see where they were, what they remember when this all went down. O.J. Simpson died yesterday, 76 years old after a battle with cancer. Let's go to Barbara, your next step on the Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, Barbara. - Hi, Grace. - Hi. - I had just graduated law school. The month before it was homesteading for the bar exam, when my husband called me from work and said, "You got to turn on the TV, you won't believe this." So I was sitting there watching the white Bronco live, thinking to myself, "What the hell is the LAPD doing?" Throw down strips, stop that Bronco, and arrest him. I mean, there are so many things wrong about how the LAPD and the prosecutors handle that case that you could teach a whole law school course on that case alone. I was just going to ask you, Barbara, so you weren't in class while the trial was going on. I assume it ended at that point, but I'm sure they were teaching this in law school because it's a great way to keep the students engaged and to show them what to do and what not to do. Yeah, more accurately, what not to do. Just simple venue. He was a wealthy man who lived in, I think, in the Breadwind section of LA. He had nothing to do with South Central LA, nothing. I mean, he used to take his Rolls Royce to go to McDonald's for God's sakes. So why didn't the prosecution push for a change of venue and get it out of South Central LA to an area that didn't have that same history of animosity between the black community and the LAPD? That's really the point. Barbara, can I ask you something else? What did you make, obviously? I know it more, which is embarrassing. I know, but I'm a huge Seinfeld fan. I know it more from the parody version of Kramer and the way they did it. If the glove don't fit, you know, you must acquit. But the actual trying on of the glove as someone who studied law, who studied court cases, what did you make of that element of it? First rule of law school. Never ask a question. You don't know the answer to. Any woman would have been able to tell the prosecution, the defense attorney, and more importantly, the jury, that a leather glove left outside overnight that gets wet is going to shrink. Why they ever let him put on the glove and demonstrate to prove that it was his glove was just foolish, foolish. Again, first rule of law school. Never ask a question. You don't know the answer to. Barbara, since then, there have been, you know, huge cultural moments, big trials that people have tuned in to. Have you, in your opinion, has anything come close to the sensationalism that you saw with the OG Simpson trial? No, because I think it's a sense of chilling factor to judges and prosecutors and defense attorneys across the country of how not to handle trials, to keep the press interaction to a minimum. I mean, Judge Edo, for heaven's sakes, was having flour sent to him, and apparently you had a thing for clocks, if I remember correctly. So if you walked into the courtroom day after day, there were more flowers and there were more. Nick, what are you kidding me? It became a circus because they didn't clamp down on all the collateral nonsense that was going on outside the courtroom. Really, the whole parody of the dancing Judge Edo's "One Night on a Saturday Night Live" episode, Judge Edo should have been mortified that he was subject, his behavior made him subject to a parody on a late night show. I mean, it was just, as I said, you could take everything that they did in that trial and make a whole law school class to teach students. This is not how you handle a high-profile homicide case. And the sad thing is, I mean, little things. If you remember when the family brought a wrongful death lawsuit against him, they were able to take a photograph of a bloody footprint at the scene and determined that it was a Bruno Magli size 12 custom-made shoe, and then they found a photograph of O.J. on the sideline of an NFL game wearing the very shoes. Why didn't the prosecution do that? Why was that left to the jury from the wrongful death suit? Yeah, and you know what, Barbara, I kind of just alluded to this, but I'd be curious what you thought. So you just mentioned how it became a circus, and then afterwards, after the trial, became like kind of this running joke. But what did you think of that? Because like you just said, it's two families that were destroyed, two families that never got justice, and it kind of became a punchline in the media. I mean, I did wind up watching the, I think it was a Netflix series in a state of California versus O.J. And I can't blame the fault of this all on the back shoulder of the prosecutor, Marcia Clock, and her associate, because Marcia was, from what I recall, a pretty experienced prosecutor, and there were things that she wanted to do. And that guy, what was his name? Guy should, the prosecutor, the lead prosecutor in LA at the time, wouldn't let her do. So there are things that she were hamstrung, for example, the whole usually N word by the chief detective. Okay, that's a bad thing. Oh, and off to it, admit it. But on the same token to counteract that evidence that he was a bigoted detective, how about you bring out the evidence that he apparently went to O.J. and Nicole's house when they were still married, living together on a domestic violence call and found her there shaking, crying, and, you know, visible marks on her face, and yet they, quote unquote, he talked, Marc Furman was his name. Marc Furman apparently talked to O.J. and said, "O.J., you really can't do this," and walked away. So why wasn't that brought up that Marc Furman didn't have an event data against O.J., because he gave O.J. a pass a few years before? I mean, I could go on and on and on about what they did wrong in that trial that sadly wound up having him acquitted. Yeah, thank you, Barbara. Thank you so much information, and we really appreciate it. Please call back on other things, because I'd love to talk to you about cases that come up in the future. Margo, you're up next. What's going on, Margo? What do you remember? Hi, Grace. Oh, I remember vividly. I was newly married, and it was on 24/7, the trial, 24/7. And as your previous call said, it became sort of like everybody was watching it. And then it was going on for such a long time that they condensed it, and they made the trial go on into the night, because I guess they thought it was going on for too long. They were trying to, you know, get it to a finale, so they had to go on at night. So now people were watching it at night as well. And as your previous call has said, it was sort of like a sideshow. His defense team, he had Efle Bailey, and Robert Shapiro, Johnny Cochran, Barry Schack, he had all these, you know, high profile attorneys. And I always felt that the prosecutors, Masha, I have to get her last name, Masha, and Masha, like he had Masha... Masha Clark and Christopher Darden. Christopher Darden. Yeah, and I thought that they really did a good job. They were never going to win because it was so sensationalized. And everybody said, "Oh, they didn't do that great of a job." They really did. Personally, I thought that they did. And, you know, Mark Furman got labeled a racist. His career got derailed, and the other ones got, like, the... Chris Darden got portrayed as sort of like an Uncle Tom, and they were awful, like what they did to them. And then he walks free, and everybody knew he was guilty. Wow, Margo, that is... And now, Margo, at the time, you said you were newly married, so were you working, or did you have a job? I wasn't working at the time because I was about eight months pregnant, so I was home, you know, resting. So I had all day, all night, to watch this. I was just going to say... I was doing the same exact thing on her end, and she'd say, "Oh, I'm all set. I'm all set. I'm going to watch it tonight. I can't wait. Can't wait." It was really like, you know, must-see TV. And when you think about it, it was so sick. I was just going to say, it's because you're right, people... And we see this all the time now, too, with the media. You get so obsessed with something. You forget there's real people involved. You forget that, like I just said, I mean, Margo, I'm sure you remember Ron Goldman and his family being there, and his family having to deal with it all, and to everybody else, it was just this big story. It was must-see TV. It was, "Hey, I got my coffee. I picked up a six pack. I'm going to sit down and watch it tonight. I can't wait to see what's up, what's going on." And for them, it's like his young son, who really, as Jared pointed out, was just happened to be there, and he's dead now, and they've lived with this their whole lives. And another thing that bothered me was to, after it was all said and done, and the cheering that he was innocent, and things like that, and he has to go by, and he has to go by. And he sort of, like, regained a little bit of his celebrity status, where he was in the public eye again, albeit maybe being made fun of, or, you know, whatever. But he still had a little bit of cachet, and he was going around like, "Hey, I'm innocent. What are you going to do about it?" Yeah, and he was kind of making a joke about it. And to be fair, Margo, we're guilty on that front as well, because we play the sound cut of him, and kind of how much of a joke it is that he's out and about golfing and commenting on Joe Biden or Donald Trump, but I get your point. It's like he really, he had no repercussions. He ended up going to prison, but for something totally different. Thank you for the call, Margo. I appreciate it. If you're just tuning in and you're going, "Why are they talking about the OJ Simpson trials?" That happened a long time ago. OJ Simpson died yesterday. I called Howie up, and I said, "You know, Howie, I know there's other stuff. I know there's Rashida Tyeib getting chased down. We'll get to all of that. I'm not going to ignore those stories." But once in a while, it's like something happens, and you just go, "Let's rewind the tape," because I don't know what it is about me, Jared. I do love true crime. I do love watching that stuff, but I love hearing about a time before. I think what it really comes down to is a time before we had access to everything. Everybody gather around. We're going to tell the story of the before time again. I do. I'm like, "Tell me another story, Grandpa, because I like to hear about it." I do think you could tie that into why people get so amped up about things like the solar eclipse. I know it sounds stupid, but people like to be part of something where everyone for one moment in time is looking at the same thing, and that's what it was. I don't think that anything's ever come close to that level of sensationalism, and maybe you could think of something else, but as far as a celebrity trial or anything. I think a huge part of that reason is now people have access to everything, and everyone has different channels, and everyone has different stories. They're inundated with stuff all the time. As opposed to then, it was like a singular focus that you had to tune into every single day, and that doesn't happen often. For the solar eclipse, it was less about people wanting to actually look at what was happening in the sky. I think it was more just for three minutes of the work day everyone was on the same page. We're going to take a break here. We've got more people. We've had all females thus far talking about where they were during the OJ Simpson trial, but when we come back, we've got a lot of guys on the line who want to discuss, so don't go anywhere. We will be right back. This is The Grease Curly Show. Hi, it's Toby from Cape Gun Works. I'm taking all your firearm and self-defense questions every Tuesday. Join Grace and me for 2A Tuesday, Tuesdays at 2PM. This is The Grease Curly Show. Today's poll question is brought to you by Perfect Smiles. Do not be fooled by impostors with similar names. If you're not happy with your smile, you can fix it. You need Dr. Bruce Houten in Nashua. Call 1A44 a perfect smile or visit PerfectSmiles.com. Jared, what is the poll question and what are the results thus far? Today's poll question, which you can vote in at GraceCurlyShow.com, is which voters should Biden be more concerned about losing? Far left Democrats or moderate independents? I'm going to say far left Democrats at this point because the uncommitted numbers that have been coming in during the primary season are staggering for Joe. And I don't see these people being placated. I agree with David Harsani on that front. Only 17% for the far left Democrats. 83% of the audience thinks moderate independents are in your danger. We could have a nice little conversation about this. By the way, my latest piece and spectator dives into all of this conversation. You know, who can push? I kind of think sometimes politics is pushing your base to the edge without losing them. In order to get other voting blocks to come to your side. And who's going to be better at that? I think it's Donald Trump, but we can have that conversation a little bit later. Let's go to Dave. You're up next. We're talking about OJ Simpson. He's dead at the age of 76. Dave, what do you remember about that crazy time in the 90s? Hi, Grace. I just moved back to New England in May of 1994. I remember watching the low speed chase at home. Rather unexciting, low speed. The trial went on for the better part of a year the next year, 1995. I didn't really watch it, but I remember tuning in Howie at 3 o'clock afternoon and hearing his funny synopsis of the day's court proceedings. Howie was really in his element, as you know. And the verdict, the not guilty verdict, I recall being angry at the time, although I shouldn't have been, especially since Marcia Clark was trashing Marc Furman, the star witness, you know, to the jury right before they went into the deliberation room. So I think the prosecution made a hash out of it. But Dave, can I ask you something? You said you remember watching the low speed chase? I'm just curious because, again, I was like, too, when this was all going down, so I don't remember any of this. When people are watching the low speed chase at that point, in your mind, are you thinking, oh, there's some sort of miscommunication or he doesn't understand, like, there's no way he did it. He's just like, what did people were people already watching that and going, oh, he did it. Like, there's no other reason he would be not pulling over for the cops. That's certainly what I thought. I said, okay, he's definitely definitely guilty. That's it. He's going to prison. You know, foolish me, right? But yeah, that was confirmation for me that the guy was guilty. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Thank you, Dave. I appreciate the call. I want to try to get in a couple here. Let's go to John. You're up next. What's going on, John? Hi, Grace. Hi. I remember watching the verdict come down and I liked the gentleman just previously said I was angry too. But what I remember mostly was the African American, they were showing pictures on the TV of the African American community and they were all cheering. So there was like a kind of a racial component to this because, you know, if there was a white gentleman that had did the murder, I don't think the African American community would have reacted the way they did. They kind of reminded me of like right after 9/11 when I saw videos of the Muslim community in New Jersey, all cheering in the street. Well, we should be we should be careful here, John, because it was not all of the black community and it was not all of the Muslim community. Just I understand your point at the media was definitely focusing on the parts of the black community that we're cheering, but I just want to clarify, we don't want to paint with a broad brush. Thank you, John, for the call. Let's go to very quickly here. Lou, you're next up on The Grace Curly Show. Go ahead, Lou. Yeah, how you doing, Grace? First of all, I do remember the trial and I also remember the civil trial where they had found that the Bruno Malley shoes were the ones that he was wearing and that's how they got him on the civil trial. I don't know if you remember the civil trial, but I just want to say this, the impact on pop culture at that time was was pretty amazing. Leno used to have this this group when they're called the Dancing Edos, Dancing Judge Edos with a Marcia Clark and they're dancing along with him. And Seinfeld, Jackie Charles, is based on Johnny Cochran. Yes, I know that one, Lou. And speaking of Seinfeld, I just did this podcast is making me thirsty episode, which everyone should check out. We'll be right back with Bob Price. Thanks for the calls, everybody. You