(upbeat music) - We're back on Canock Central, it's Dan Rachos at TR Shaw. Hour number two of the program. We're in the Kintec Studio, Kintec Canada's favorite orthotics provider powered by thousands of five star Google reviews. Soarfeet, what are you waiting for? 650, 650 on the Dunbar Lumber text message, inbox, lots of reaction coming into our discussion and we'll continue to have those discussions. And also, we see some overrated or underrated submissions trying to come in here through the Dunbar Lumber text message inbox as well. So let's get to it, it's overrated underrated here on Canock Central. (upbeat music) Yes, I know everybody was waiting for the tweet today, got it out early. - You did? - Made sure to get it out early. - Lots of submissions. - Lots of replies, we've got Fast Eddie Gregory producing the fine program today and getting the submissions in and we have intern Zach behind the board as well. So Eddie, what do we got on tap here? Oh, we need to add his mic on. - You have holidays, it's two days. - You know what, that was a good sound bite to draw a bit of these. - That was a good sound bite, yeah. - Yeah, that's probably the best sound bite we got last night. - The holidays in two days. Philip Roanik is saying you guys have holidays in two days? - Well, we'll start with that, Philip Roanik that. Did somebody ask that question? - I'm pretty sure Philip Roanik asked that question of somebody. - Somebody asked the question of Philip Roanik, right? - I did put that one aside, so we'll do it later. Okay, we'll do it. - Yeah, it's a little pre-production, but we sort of, we revealed the magic trick already. - That's what you call a sneak peek. - Yes. - It's a tease, as they call it the best. But, we'll start with the biggest story coming out of last night and overrated and underrated from Intergalactic Potato, winning the division. - Winning the division, it seems as though it's underrated by most, I feel like. - Yeah, I think it is underrated. Not to say, again, you can enjoy and applaud and appreciate a regular season and then have a different level of expectation for the playoffs. - Yeah. - Like, there are two separate entities. And after 82-game marathon, that connects winning the Pacific Division for the first time and winning a division for the first time in, what, how many? - Yeah, 23rd, 2012. - 2012? - So, what, 12 years ago since the last time you won a division? Like, it's a really, it's a great indication of where the organization is heading, hopefully, beyond this year, right? And the fact that you're already sitting here in a division with Edmonton and Vegas, you won it? - Yeah, I think it should be appreciated. - Nobody expected this to happen for the Vancouver Canucks this year, right? You were expected maybe to be a playoff team. If everything goes right, we'll be all right. Yeah, that's the quote from Jim Rutherford at the start of the year. This team has exceeded all expectations. And it's, again, it's not a fluke. The way they set themselves up, they were prepared for the season. And that's what helped them get to where they are today. You should celebrate division wins. You should celebrate success in the regular season, obviously, not as much as you would a Stanley Cup win, but success over 82 games should be rewarded and it should be enjoyed when it does happen. And I don't think you enjoy it enough because we're in this mindset of like, it's always championship or bust in North American sports. - I find it funny, though, that's some that would criticize and if they get it, it doesn't mean anything, would also be very critical of the team for not winning a division, perhaps. - Yes. - Because they didn't win it and not being a good team or great team. It's like, you know, you can't expect great things from the team. And then when they accomplish good things, they'll be like, well, it doesn't matter anyway. - Yeah. - I just think, think back to how much bad hockey we've watched the last seven or eight years, just enjoy it. - Yes. - It's not overly significant, but enjoy it nonetheless. Overrated, underrated from Justin and East Fam, same theme, division banners. - Those would be overrated. - You think a division banner is overrated? - Yeah, like as a banner, like if it's hanging from a rafter? - I don't know, I'm into it. Celebrate it. - You won the division. - Yeah. - You won something. - I like conference and a cup, fine. I like Stanley Cups and conference. - Okay, so what do they have? - Do you put Stanley Cup Finalists on your-- - No, that's more impressive. - What's more impressive, getting to a cup final and not winning or winning a division? - Yeah. Both are impressive. Both are impressive and both should be celebrated. - But I think-- - What did Nashville get crushed for? Putting up Stanley Cup Finalist or something like that today? Was it? - Maybe. - There's something in the regular season, I think. - Yeah. - Yeah, maybe a regular season thing, but I think it's funny. Like if you're criticizing Stanley Cup Finalists, you can't criticize putting up a Pacific division or a division banner. - Yeah, maybe. - But most teams putting conference championship banners. They may not celebrate them at the home opener the next year if you lose. - Yeah, yeah. - But I think the Canucks have done what a number of teams have done. They'll still recognize their division titles and just put a banner with a list of-- - The years they've won their division. - Exactly. - I think the Canucks have done that in recent-- - I don't mind that having one banner or two that shows all the division wins or something. - Yeah. - So the Predators, they got crushed for putting up Western Conference champions as a banner. - What? - But that's the year they went to the Stanley Cup Final and lost a Pittsburgh. There's nothing wrong with them. - Yeah, to me, I don't know why people make fun of that. If you were defending, putting up division titles, why would you be mad about being a Stanley Western Conference champion? - Well, because it's kind of a way of celebrating a silver medal. - Sure, celebrated. What's wrong with celebrating success? - You finished second, you know. Yes, you want to win a Stanley Cup, right? - Yes. - But should you just dismiss all the success you had and be like, yeah, I'm not happy, I want to-- So the only reason, at the Olympics, you're happy finishing second and third is 'cause you're getting hardware. So if we gave the runner up a medal, would you feel better about it? - Yeah. - Like, what's the difference between having gold, silver, and bronze and enjoying finishing second? - I mean, we've seen it at the World Juniors, who was at Laius Anderson, who threw his medal into the crowd after finishing second. - Yeah, that's fine. - And I'm sure when he thinks about it down the road, he won't feel as bad about having a silver medal in a World Hockey Championship. - But there's a difference between a two-week tournament and a 10-month grind, and laying it all out for that period of time. - Yeah, no, you can be close and close. - But you can also appreciate the run that you had. - Yeah. - I don't think, even the guys from 2011, they're upset about what happened, but none of them regret the fact they went through it. - Yeah. Winning the president's trophy and getting as far as they did. - Winning the Western Conference, getting into the Stanley Cup final. - I'm into a division banner, honestly. I don't think you celebrate regular season successes. I've always had this taken in baseball. If you win a division in baseball over 162 games, like that is a marathon. - Yeah, Rachel, our 1949. - That was a marathon. - That was a marathon. - Then you get into these best of five series where a weird dribbler through the infield is gonna cost you your season, and it's just like, man, we played 162 for this? - Can you believe it? So while CDZ Escobar can steal a bunch of bases on us, an ump can call a ball outside on a pitch that was five feet out over the plate against Ben Revere? - Not that I have. - He's ruined everything. - Not that I have scars about the J's losing to the Royals or anything like that. - No, clearly not. That game's six, though, is the worst game ever. - It was so bad. - I can't stand that game. I was like the bane of my baseball existence. Game's six against the Royals. - The Amish kid in the crowd is just like-- (laughing) - The Amish kid. - Snuck away to go watch the baseball game. - This one from Knuckles. (laughing) - You good? - Yeah, I'm good. - You sure? - Yeah. - From Knuckles, Team Awards, as voted on by fans, even though getting it wrong, overrated, underrated. - I mean, Team Awards voted by fans cannot be underrated, can they? They're gonna be clearly, 'cause I mean, the sample is a complete, you know what? People can put multiple votes and if they really wanted to, figure out ways to do so. It's manipulated. It's not a great indication of the fan base in general. Like, I think it's completely overrated. It's fun to do and you shouldn't dismiss it, but it's overrated. - It is similar to all-star voting, right? - Yeah. - How John Scott and the Light got into an all-star game and whomever else in other sports has done it. It's happened as well, where like the home team that's getting an all-star game will overvote their players to get into said all-star game, right? It is what it is. I don't think like any of the awards were so off base last night though. - I mean, JT probably shouldn't be the MVP, but again, like we spoke about this too, that if you wanted to make a spicy argument for Team MVP, it'd be JT. - Yes. - So like you couldn't-- - You fellas, show every voter. - Like if Demco didn't go down with the injury, he would have had a shout for MVP as well. - Yeah. - Well, I mean, one thing is, like would you trust fans more with NHL awards or media more with NHL awards? And I've been criticizing the media quite a bit when it comes to NHL awards. Awards for the past little while. - There are some media that are pretty bad with their votes, you know? But generally, I think the gen pop of media that are voting on these awards, they do take it seriously, but there are some guys that are just absolutely homers and they're just gonna vote for their hometown guy. - I was texting with a friend the other day. It was gonna be the one guy out of Edmonton that's gonna vote for Evan Buschard as the Norris winner this year. - Yeah, I know. Well, I mean, there's, you know what, I'm not gonna gonna say what I was gonna say. - Do it. - No, I'll zip it. We have friends out in Edmonton too. I don't want to paint them all with a bad brush. And then, you know, create speculation for who I'm talking about. So I'll just leave it. - I don't know. From Tawasad Nux overrated, underrated. Finishing first in the Western Conference. - This year? Honestly underrated. - No, in three years from now. - This year, yeah. Underrated, I'd say. Like, so you can, it's likely going to be LA, right? I mean, we'll see what happens. It could be, you know, Vegas could lose and LA could win and it could be Vegas that ends up with the aid seed. But is playing LA that much worse than playing Nashville? And the fact that you wouldn't have the travel is as much. It'd be an easier travel going down to LA and back. - Yeah, you'd have a bit of an easier travel day. Like, the thing about it is avoiding Vegas. I think that's what most people are getting at when they send these kinds of messages in and comments in. - Because LA's not all that scary. - I don't find LA scary. Now I know they've had Vancouver's number in terms of results. I don't know if I would be fear them as much in the postseason. I just don't feel that way about LA. I know you've been fading LA since before the season. I'd say underrated to answer the question 'cause I'm not as terrified of facing LA in round one as opposed to playing Nashville and a janky schedule you have against that team. - I can't say how, like, you know, nice it is to win a division and then downplay. - With the conference, right? - Winning the conference, so. - It's definitely underrated in my book. - A sign from Burtabean, overrated, underrated, extended rest for the playoffs. - Underrated, extended rest. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And I just, like. - Keyword, extended rest. - So, like, Nashville getting seven or eight days off. Like, I'd rather have seven or eight days off than two days off like the Canucks are going to have. - Yeah, I would say there is something about, like, just being so out of rhythm, say having eight days off. - Yeah. - That you just don't get going in game one and then you lose the game. - Yeah. - And then, I give enough time for the first team. Like, you, I don't know, I'd say somewhat underrated, overrated, extended rest. I think that can kind of blow up in your face, too, if you have, over a week. - Yeah. - I'd still rather take the rest than being on short rest. - We're just trying to manifest that we don't start on Sunday. - Yeah. Take the rest, rest is good. Get those little bruises from the 82 to heal away. Get the rest you need. - I can see how it gets you out of habit and routine. - Yeah. - And stuff like that, having, like, eight days off, like, oh, we got a full bi-week, can we go to Cabo? - Like, if they're free, yeah. Well, imagine if they're flat for the first, like, 10 minutes and the Canucks come out as, like, firing, right? - All over them. - Can I spill the three-nothing list on the first 10 minutes? - Like, there is that risk of, you know, not being able to get yourself there. - I've always, like, I've always seen the argument in baseball, where, like, if you're off for, if you have the buy in the first round and you're off for five or six days and you're timing is off when you get back to the plate and all of a sudden you go the first three games of the series and you're only able to cobble together, like, five or six runs. And we've seen it happen so many times that it's just, like, it's in your mind, but I'm still generally rest over, not rest. - Day five or six, a practice can be like, let's just play the games. - Yeah, yeah. - Now we times can be battle hard. How many video sessions can we have? - That's true. - It can be preparation over the league. - Yeah. Like, the extent, like, seven or eight days is, is extensive. It's really long. - Boy, even talk had mentioned today, too, it's like, you also don't want to be overcoaching, putting too much stuff in the guys. - Yeah. - Yeah, either, right? - From Vancide Nation 16, overrated, underrated. Live home as a three-seat. - It feels like he's underrated as a third-line center because people are angry about how much they paid for the player. They're seeing Andrei Kuzmenko have a ton of points and goals and all these things. And it's like, well, what did we trade 'em for? Plus, we gave them a first round pick and one of our top prospects. And we got five goals out of this guy and he's our third-line center. What did we trade for? But I liked what I saw Saturday against Edmonton. I've liked what I've seen generally out of Elias Lindholm and I think it's going to have a huge benefit to the Canucks come play-off time. - Yeah, I would agree with that. - Yeah. - We're too much on the same page with Lindholm. - Yeah, I'd agree. There's nothing else. I don't want to repeat everything you just said, so. - Just keep on moving forward. - Just say the trade was terrible, sad, and it's overrated. - We already got a teaser about this one, but from discount Dracula, overrated and underrated, Philiparotix, chirp game. - You have all of this in two days, let's go. - You know what, I would say overrated, 'cause all he said was what everybody always says. Don't you have golf? Like, it's a cold, but it's not what everybody says to the losing teams. Like, it's a chirp as old as time, isn't it? - Yeah, that's why it's great. It's great, no, I know. - But it's not Matt Martin, go dye your hair. - No, no, that's good too. Or what was it? I think it was. - If you're a perennial playoff team, maybe it doesn't have the same vibe, but when you're the Canucks? - I remember the Canucks, so back in the jerkpot era, when the Canucks had Kessler and Burroughs, I remember, I mean, those guys were ruthless with how they went after guys. But I remember, I think I forget if it was Kessler or Burroughs, who did the grab the stick and did the golf swing with it on the ice? You guys are about to go. So, to me that was good. - Wasn't that Todd Bertuzzi against Minnesota? - He did that, well, he, Minnesota, yeah, he was saying some stuff like, he was chirping the fans after, for game three in Minnesota, 'cause we were up, well, it was game four, no, game five, they were up three, one, he was chirping the fans about how the series is gonna be over. - I also thought Bertuzzi chirped Minnesota when it was two nothing, Vancouver games. - That too, yeah, well, he chirped him a lot. - Yeah, there's a lot of Bertuzzi. - But, you know what, two is credit, he also said when the Canucks were down 3-1 against the Blues, we're gonna come back, and they did. So, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. - I like, I don't know, Corona gets extra points because you're not expecting that out of Philopronic. - Well, I mean, it's underrated. I didn't expect that out of Philopronic, that's perfect. - That's more than I've heard from him talking to the media for the last six months. - What was the last time he did speak to media? It was a training camp. - It was that, there was a piece Ian McIntyre had earlier this season, and he got a few quotes from Philopronic. - Yeah, and that's it. - That's the only thing I can remember. That's the only notable interview that I can remember from Philopronic all season. - He never spoke to media in Detroit, and has found a way to make that happen here in Vancouver as well, it's incredible. It's a great skill. - It's like when he used to all the talking for our deep hair. - Yeah, he's the captain anyways. - Exactly. This one from Ernest Richmond. Referee is falling victim to players' head snaps. - Ooh. Happens way too often. I would say it's overrated. We'll see how it plays out in the playoffs, but the best thing that's happened for referees, and it hasn't always played out this way, 'cause they haven't, I don't think utilized it properly all the time when it's come to situations that have happened in Canucks games, but the way it played out last night, you call the five on Hoglander, and then when you review it, you can see that it's a very obvious head snap and embellishment from Braden Passhel, so you rescind the five minute major, give 'em the two, and everybody is calmed down and ready to move on from the situation. But when they only gave Manson two for his hit on Miller, it's like, why aren't you calling five? - Yeah, no, you know. - And then when the Zadorov hits against Houdin in Vegas, like they immediately called the five and they reviewed it and it's like, okay, that's fine. Yeah, great, that's how it should be done. - That's okay, yeah. - But why aren't they always doing that, right? - You call the five, and then if you deem it to not be worthy of five minutes, then you can rescind it. I like the way that played out last night. It's hard for refs to manage the whole head snapping thing 'cause it happens just way too often. - And I will say, sometimes like, if you put a stick in somebody's face, the natural reaction is to kind of turn your head over it too. - You flinch. - Yeah, and I think the cadre one too, that happened, was that so much of him head snapping or the hit, making him hit his back of his head against the glass? Like, it looked like he had hit in the chest and his back of his head had hit the glass and his reaction was to having hit his head against the glass. So I'm not even sure that that was embellishment, necessarily, it's just the official got fooled by the head snap, but it could have been, I don't think it was an unnatural head snap, like he hit pretty high, it was right in the chest, and the back of his head hits the glass. - I still don't know how that was all boy. - Yeah, it's a bad call, there's no doubt. All right, next, this one from Austin and Langley, overrated, underrated, big playoff watch parties. - Underrated, I like playoff watch parties. - Yeah. - Why not? - Yeah. - I mean, isn't going to the rink a big playoff watch party? - Yeah, but it's like the actual game. - Yes. - I do get what you're saying. I'm not against it, I've kind of, I'd say underrated for the buzz around the city. - Yeah. - 'Cause when you have watch parties, people get together, like it creates a real nice buzz around the city. - It was going to a bar and watching a game qualify as a watch party. - Yeah, it's a smaller watch party guy. - I love the-- - Is the sound on it the bar or is it just to be? - It has to be, it's the sound on it the bar that it's not a playoff watch party. - Then the bar is failing as a bar. - Well, it's not-- - Then it's not a sports bar. - It's not a bar that's catered to your sport at the moment, even if it's not a sports bar. - Yeah. - It's not catered to your viewing experience. - I love doing that, like in the early 20s. That was one of my favorite memories. 'Cause I didn't do the bar. - No. - Can't control that. - I'm a, I'm a, like you want, if you're a fan of a team and your team is in the playoffs, you want to celebrate those moments with your community. Whether that's a bunch of strangers at a bar or your close circle of friends that you have over for a playoff watch party, game two, you know, nachos and beers at my place, seven o'clock puck drop, who's in? - So, for me, it depends on games, right? Like a game seven, I'd be so nervous or an elimination game that I can't be around too big of a crowd. I'm just waiting to be nervous about it. It was like game two or something early on in a series. I think it'd be a lot of fun. You're in a good environment. For me, the higher the stakes get, the less people I want around. - Or the game goes to double overtime, see who drops off. I'm done after overtime one. - Yeah. - And after overtime two, see who's left and the goes to the third overtime. - I'm into playoff watch parties, underrated. - We have a bunch more, want to do on the other side? - Let's do one or two more. - Let's do a couple more. We'll go over. We'll go over right now. We'll do something. - Okay. - Let's do it now. We'll do it now, we'll do it live. We'll do it live. - We'll worry about the boss later. - Overrated underrated. - Is he even listening? - I'm probably not. - He's listening to a podcast. - He probably. - Listening to us from last hour on podcast. - Yeah. - It's getting ready for your air check. (laughing) - Overrated underrated. - Air checks. - From Princess Erica. Former connect Brendan Morrison starting a YouTube channel to discuss hockey in the comics. - Has he actually done that? - Yeah, he did on the weekend. - Nice. - Good friend Brendan. - We've done two or three videos already. - Shouts to Beemo. Underrated. - I'd give him credit for being a former player and actually getting his opinions out there. - Well yeah, I mean, he used to, he had a fishing show for a while. I don't know if he still does. - Probably does. Man loves fishing. - He loves fishing. He had like an actual fishing show. - Yeah, he almost seems like he likes fishing more than he likes hockey. - Yeah. He loves both a lot. But he was really, yeah, we've had him on a few times. He's really good. He gives an honest opinion. He's not quite like Yannick Hanson 'cause Yannick Hanson will spit fire consistently. - Yannick holds no bar. Like holds zero filter and I love him for it. - I think there's a step in the right direction. Need more players to do that. Especially in this digital age nowadays. So much easier to do. - Overrated, he's gonna take my job. So it's overrated. - I mean, he is a former NHL player. Clearly. All right, next. Gonna tie these two together. Overrated, underrated. Ruins and Leafs series. And excitement about another Leafs first round exit. Let's tie two together. - Is it a slam dunk that the Leafs lose to this Bruins team? - I'm not sure actually. Like I think the Bruins are really tough to play against. My only question would be are the Leafs disciplined enough and get good enough gold tending to be able to win those close scoring games. - Yeah. Every time I peek up at the TV, the Leafs are having a defensive breakdown. They are playing against Tampa. - Yeah, and it's like the season doesn't matter. - It's an irrelevant game. - All they got. - I think Austin Matthews is like 10 shot attempts already trying to get a set at the end of the goal. - Looks like really knee lenders in fine playoff defense. - Yeah. I mean, I may end up picking the Bruins in seven, but I think that series goes deep, don't you think? - I think it'll be good series. Underrated series. - I think it'll be a long series. Probably. The thing about it is like, I don't feel, not that I'm like sitting here and couching for the Leafs, but like they're not as good as they were in years past. Like a first round exit against the Bruins or the Panthers or whomever it would have been is a totally realistic scenario for this squad. Like they're not that good. - No. - The depth of the team is not all that strong. Their defense is legitimately poor. Like Brody's falling off a cliff. Giordano is, I mean, he doesn't even play anymore. Lilligren hasn't taken a step like they hoped he would. You know, Riley can only do so much. Even Riley, like he's a great offensive defense man, but I wouldn't put him up there as- - Is that a true number one? - Yeah, he's not a true number one. So it's like your expectations of, just feels as though the expectations of this team are not somewhere that live in reality. Maybe a couple of years ago, they should have been considered a Stanley Cup contender, always falling short. I'm not sure there's still that team that's a cup contender falling short of their expectations. They kind of, they are just who they are. - So if you're a leaf hater then, like if you're like, despised the leaves, would you rather see them losing the first round? Or as you mentioned, since they have a team that's not winning the cup this year, most likely, would you rather see them get to the conference final and get everybody's hopes up to get crushed that late instead? - Oh, give them the hope. - Give them the hope. - Yeah, losing game seven on home ice. - Yeah, or something, right? I mean, you're probably not gonna win the cup anyways, but at least it's the year you're not gonna win it, you go far? - Yeah. Against all the odds, the leaves finally put together some playoff success. - Overrated, underrated. Pulling the goalie with five plus minutes and the third period remaining. - Is that what Torts did yesterday? I think it was like four minutes or so. - I saw four something, yeah. I mean, I'm all four, being aggressive. To me, that was bordering reckless. Like, it's a tie game. - Well, the thing about it is like-- - To me, it was like, get them in a position like with a couple minutes left if we put the pressure on in the offensive zone. - If they knew Detroit had just scored to send that game to overtime, there's no reason for them to pull the goalie. - There's something I thought about last night. You don't want the players on the bench to know, but the coaches want to be aware. - Yeah. - If I'm John Tortorella, I say to my video coaches who are probably watching that game in the back, we come up with a code word. Whatever you want to use as a code word, relay code word to assistant coach X, who then relays it to Torts. They all talk behind their line charts anyways, and then at least they know the scenario in real time, right? - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, you could do that. - You could do that, but, so let's say Torts knows that Detroit sent the game to overtime, so the Flyers are already eliminated anyways, and he's not pulling the goalie in the tie game. His players are gonna be like, what are we doing? - Yeah, exactly. - Something's up. - Honestly, I don't think it mattered, really, 'cause people are like, well, give the capitals. Well, if it goes the other way, you're giving the Red Wings an advantage. Either way, somebody's losing somebody's gaining. - Yeah. - The Flyers eight game losing streak doomed to many wins. They were on borrowed games. - It just happened so quick. How ridiculous, the way that it played out was so incredibly ridiculous. The Red Wings scoring with three seconds left, and simultaneously, Torts is pulling the goalie against them. It's like, how does this all happen at once? - Oh, you gotta love the universe, man. - Madness. All right. I will get some overrated, underrated overflow coming up, and more before we send you off for the night. Stan Reicho, Satyarsha. You're listening to Knock Central.
