(upbeat music) - Welcome, welcome, welcome to the left wing back podcast. Once again, it's Brian Odeno who's sitting in and hosting for the legend that is Kevin Regan. He is still swapping out his headset for nappies and suitors and all that goes with Farahood, but he's here with us as well. So massive, congratulations on the new arrival, Kev, hope all is going well. - Thanks, my name, yeah, we managed to slip away there for an hour. I think that's all the permission slip assigned for, so I want to, I want to stay my welcome here, but it is nicely back for a brief sabbatical nonetheless. - Fair play, and our best wishes to Neve, she obviously did all the hard work. You had a very, very small part to play in the whole thing, so we'll just say our best regards to her. I'm sure she's an avid watcher of all the GEA stuff on the on lifting back. - And don't go get a like on social media over it. - Yeah, I take it. - Especially Father Stephen Euline over and hit the like button on that thing, yes. I know you're very eager to thank a generous sponsor, so a big shout out to Earthspaz, PFT Travel, Pata Hearn, Photography, Murray's Balimorphy, Ray Wheeling Limited, Parak Don Motors, Talbot Carlo, and Cara Sports. We wouldn't be doing this without their support, so I know Kev is very appreciative there. There's only one place to start, really, and it's arguably one of the most exciting, biggest Carla Hurlin fixtures in long, long, long time. And that's a no way to be little any of the Joe McDonough wins around like that, but paying all the way in the championship is as good a fixture as we can look forward to this weekend, I suppose. - Ah, sure, look, it's the one we've already went for kind of, and the big question is now, at this stage, can Carla react after? What was, I would say, it's all Australian, too strong. It possibly isn't too strong, actually, against Leach, because the reason why you might perceive it as all Australian is that Leach, in your own mind, going into a game like that would be of equal standard to you. And when you're getting that kind of an ass open, it possibly would leave you a little bit down and out, but I suppose, I'm sure the lads were feeling that way, I would even as a supporter, you would feel that way, and you'd have probably genuine concerns going into that linear scene in the Harlem Championship against the team, who are much more superior to what Leach are. I haven't said that though. There was a game there over the past couple of weeks against Offley, and I am led to believe that Carla gave them quite a tangy in that. So, in terms of getting back under feet and getting the waves back and the wagon and all that, they seem to have had behind the scenes, but of course, the acid test is this on their body. Yeah, what again, looking forward to, and I think the last time they met, the brain was in 2019 when Carla last featured in the Limster Senior Harlem Championship. There was 26 points in it on that day, and it was in Salt Hill as well. Carla won 1-24, Carla won 1-18. So, yeah, genuine intrigue. Let's go back for a second to 2013, right? National League double header in the Gaelic grounds, Carla in Division 4 in the football against Limerick, and Carla with Limerick in the Harlem, right? The headlines the following on the Monday were how close Carla came to beat Limerick. I think it was 3-10 to 1-16 or something like that. Now that'd be a draw, 3-10 to 16 points. Whatever it was, I think, let me come up with a goal. Yeah, one more three points. And who reminded me of this during the week was Jung Man is my light, 'cause he said to me, general her, 'cause we all went to travel together and so precarious, and he just said, "When you look now at 10, 11 years later, "limerick are going for volleyball runs, "or is it six out of seven or five going for volleyball runs, "and in various, Carla progression has been fantastic as well, "just on a proportionally different scale, "but it's fascinating to think that 10 years ago, "it was three points between those two teams, "and here we are 10 years later, "and that looked like Limerick had become." And it's just an aside, it's supposed to give. Yeah, I'll give you a call from Leakin. This was, in many ways, it's probably Jock and cheese, rappers, the origins of all of these years because they only got like once in a generation type layers coming through over a sequence of a couple of years and they're constantly adding to that, or your Carla nails and, you know, a young English, and all that, you know, at the top of the tank every year, like you can, he used to do. And I think where we have to be commended, I suppose, Brian, is if you look at the crop of players from 2013, up until, okay, I changed a little bit, up to maybe 2017, 2018, is everyone, the window Chris, you're in the job, we've done it back to back. The point I'm going to make is that we've constantly rebuilt and we've constantly kept ourselves at a level where we can trouble top tier teams and cause them a few problems. And, okay, occasionally we'll have one result that will make us think that we're gonna drop back into the pack a bit. And you'd be forgiven for taking that after at least again, but I wouldn't be losing all hope whatsoever because I do know at the back of it that this is the championship that they have been preparing for. So I think if you look at where we're coming from, with the selection we have, and the fact that we have sustained our efforts at senior level against these top flight teams that we can cause with you headaches, okay, you can argue that we haven't yet taken that big scale. I'm not too sure that that's entirely impossible over the next, say, whatever it is, a period of, say, six or seven all weeks. And I do know that they are confident of taking a scale. And like, if you were able to take a scale before you had maybe tangible on the last day, Jesus, like you'd have fair momentum, you'd have a fair buzz like Jesus, like you have Dublin, Cucchini, an electrical net, what's called a pack. And I should just give the pictures really quickly. This Sunday, obviously, of course, two o'clock in Peter Stadium, it is parallel versus golly up there. They are at home, then. The following Saturday, even the six o'clock in that what's called a park to Dublin. And then you've got a couple of weeks of a gap. Again, it's a Saturday fixture on the 11th of May in that what's called a park. Four turkey at home to Cucchini. Like, these six are long, just to be reading them out. The following Sunday, after that, home advantage, once more against weeks where that's 19 to May at 3 o'clock. And then the 26th of May, they're up the Corrigan Park against Answen now. A lot of the cynics, and maybe they're realising, gone wherever you like, we'll be saying, okay, that game against Answen is the one that we'll decide when we want to stay, or we don't want it more. But there is a hint of optimism. The card I have ambitions a little bit higher than that. So where are we in reality? It is very hard to tell, you know, but I do have to hammer on the fact once more that where we were, like, just say in the mid-naughties and where we got in around the turn, what do you call that particular decade? When it goes in 2010 to 2020? I don't have a picture on it, but anyway, that period of time, you know, they're really turned the screw, they're beating wexford in the league, they're kind of with the point of beating, not a last-day point to clear, that's all it was, yeah. Evershan, Calvin, is free, still, Jeez. And I know it's too handsome 'cause I've spoken from him over a few times. And that game against Limerick as you spoke about. And yeah, here we are, getting another crack at all these teams. We haven't stepped back. There's other teams that have gone back into the pack lake. And Jesus, it's seriously exciting, really, really exciting. And not being able to-- - And Henry, and Henry, and Henry, Jefferson and Galway, right, are genuinely worried about paying payroll. They're even bringing back Johnny Glenn. - Big dog, yeah, Jeez. - And let's start the room with our paint housings to fly him over for the, bring us in it, but just go to show you that the caliber that Galway have, and these caroboys have 100% earned the race to be on the same competition and then on the same pitch as them, you know. I just looking at the team that started against Limerick that day and the Galway grounds. Nicky Roberts is in the goal. Hugh Paddy, Carner back on Nolan, full back. Des Shaw in the other corner. James O'Hirey, Richard Cody. Dee Borne, I would assume that's Darry Borne. Yeah, and then actually-- - Do you want to come on from him in the second half, would you believe? And then you had Mark Brennan, Edward Cody, Sheamus Murphy, who was this Murphy? - I'd say I probably was. I'm gonna be Sean Murphy, actually, Sean Murphy, possibly. - Yeah, and actually didn't you get the choo choo guys? - Daffes roughly the same year. - Yeah, possibly, I think you're on to something there, yeah. - Yeah, if I remember. - And reserve. - Could be, yeah. And then, and then, and Craig died. Well, like, reading those names, you're going, that was a good Carolina team, like, you know, and look at the names that Karla have this year. You have the exact same attitude, like, got some of the most confident, most skill for Harlers that Karla has ever produced, all in one team at one time. So it's a great time to be a Karla Harlers-porter. And that's coming from someone up the yard, the county where we burn most of the Harlers that we get, like, you know? - Yeah, look, there has been a proper, real change of the guard. There has been, like, and credit to the guys that worked so hard on the edge too, in around that period that I can't think of a title for where we came within, literally, a book of all of being teakenny. They did beat Dublin. They were largely competitive against Wexford on a couple of occasions. And our current crop of leaders have come from that particular era, I suppose, which are your mouses, your gems, dials, your, your Chris Nolan's, not all these guys that contributed to handsomely, like, and, you know, they're on this platform and they belong in this platform. Like, you know, people get largely insulted when they say, "Oh, Marty, I've met a team down the road," but there's Wexford, Kenny, or James Dylwood. Of course the word, it goes what I was saying. You know, it's certainly disservice to those guys that you're even trying to put that up there. They're well-careful and they're not just here to, they're not just here to mess around either. Like, them boys, them boys mean serious business. But talking about, like, Johnny Glenn and all them big dogs, like, I absolutely love our full back line at the minute. I don't know if the Amal, Horst Lauder, and Paul Dale will line out on Sunday in the full back line. But that helps Kitchen right there. Like, there's no quarter. There's no quarter given or asked. Like, if you're getting in around them, you're earning your scores. And Leish did do that and they did earn their scores. And I think the boys knew under there, they're like, right, that's, that's the kick in the arse, they need, like, you know. - Has Kitchen is putting them mildly with them boys, you know? You'd want to be on your absolute last legs before you'd even see them boys considering and turning it out, like, you know, so it's a... - And, like, I mean, we have players all over the field that are capable of causing problems. So, if you're asking me, are looking at this game and earmark and this as a result, possibly not. Do I think they're going to win the game? Probably not, right? And we have to really think about where our aspirations are. Do we think they can get it in five or six points again? - Don't say why not. - They're not. - Let's say, six or seven minutes gone, right? And car road in four points. You'd have every neutral in the country, wearing regular and green, like, you know? And could you imagine then, again, getting to any... In a more local setting, you'd have lads coming from works for not over to where regular and green, like so. And maybe that's been a little bit too hopeful or whatever, but you can just, like, the thought of that happening will be just a little bit class, you know? - Yeah, you know, I think you'd have to look at it. Okay, right. I'd say the interim game is the one to target. No team goes to Corrigan Park and gets over there handy, genuinely, like, it's just the way it is up there. The biggest and best of things have gone up there and struggled to get results. So it might sound bizarre and crazy and strange and all those things, but there's a kind of a hankering for maybe a Dublin or a Wexford game that you might be looking at resulting as opposed to that last one. And look, you could argue, there's no one to say that you couldn't go and win either of those two games and then go up to Corrigan Park and do it. You don't have to come crashing down then. Well, you'd be very surprised where the result might come from in this picture one. You know what I mean? - 100%. 100%. I'm probably going to say to you as well. - Is it one of the youngest Corrigan panels? - Yeah, like, there's not too many to wrong say the 30 on it. Surely, you know what I mean? I'd say, actually, if you're to look through the lines, now, it'd have to do a bit more homework on this, but the full back line is getting off a lot of mentions, but that couldn't really be the oldest line in the field, is it? - Yeah, and it's like, that's it. - Like, Connor, Connor will be, either it is, or it's going to be 30-30 this year. Paul Dayle will be only 31 this year. Dionne Wall is the other side of the party. Definitely like, and I mean, I don't know what they're half-backline. I said, don't know if that's going to be the full backline, but even, you know, our half-backline has plenty of mobility with Kevin Mack and Michaela and I don't know whether Keith Fitzpatrick or Todd Lauder is going to be there. Like Connor Mio, Chapp, John Nolan, Chris Nolan, all these guys are still at a very, very good edge. They can have a lot more, a lot more horror than them. Yeah, it's a fair shout. It is a fair shout, like, probably slightly more experienced outfit than we won back five, six years ago. It happens to the two teams side by side now, of course, post that. - Yeah. - Other thing you're in intriguing is, look, it's great excitement. I suppose the most important thing, you'd be hoping that, okay, I don't know what the forecast is late for the weekend, but an awful lot of this week, it hasn't been too bad, which is not really, get your ice cream, get your bite, eat up there, you know what I mean? And take in the game, support the boys, they're worthy of it, like. - Spoke to Allen Rayleigh, only this morning and whether to be good on Sunday. Now, remember, is it Pierce Park or which is it that gets very windy? - Oh, that's awesome. - Yeah, it is. It's Pierce Park. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it's rarely a good day in, like, it could be, I need, I need the area, you might get a good day in, in solid here, it's just the way it is. - Yeah, yeah. - No, and I don't know. - Yeah, so look, it's great to have it to look forward. And there's plenty more holding this again until it's your 20s route on. - 20s again, with me, and obviously, hopefully it'll be inspired by the result from the 20s footballers at night. But the, I heard there's, 20s harders have as much to look forward to as any of our teams go to the weekend, you know? - There is various group of players, like, and they've kind of maybe somewhat set on the radar in how the championship has kind of maybe unfolded and stuff. I don't know if it's their high hopes or high aspirations. It probably was within the camp. But outside of that, I'm not quite sure if there was or not. And of course, I very on, John Onal is involved with the 20s, along with Brendan Hayden and Adrian Corcon and on as they're doing. Powerful work to the great win over Kerry. That game did only, I did actually get to sit down and have a look at the 20s game, which Kildare on Friday. Now, bear in mind that the last couple of years, by and large, Kildare have been on a slightly different trajectory to Kildare in Holland on the Red's level as in the higher trajectory and our motor quite well. And another 41 on Kildare on the Red's level. I don't know whether it's the white jerseys or not, but they always seem to look absolutely massive at liner and 100% in history. And it just seemed to be a case of physique on Friday versus like, I think we had the rest here and more skillful holders and played some fantastic Harlan. But they were a little bit more robust, I don't think from a fitness side of things, there was much in it. I think they were a little bit bigger, but I do think our dad's had a bit more Harlan. Like the score line is largely misleading that I think there was six points in it at the end. Kildare got to go all deep, deep, deep in the injury time. Tarno the couple of chances actually to get something out, but prior to that, that's how close it was coming down the tracks. And they were missing very key players, like Sean Wall and Paridile were at the spine of the team against Kerry and Botte went off early. They weren't playing during ice. Ross done already actually on dinner six and was fantastic there. A player that's really standing out for me and it won't be an unusual name to Manny. It's Kevin Kavanett from Balanchillan. I sent her forward. - I sent her forward, yes. - I think he's been seeing the Harlan for whatever two, two or three years or since he's been eligible to play, I think he's been in the middle of the field for Balanchillan seniors. And he's I sent her forward for the 20s. He's just the 10th and play. He's hit up, he's a great man to link the player, a great man to honor three. Just really smart order. Donamorphy of course is there too. And, you know, I've done, it's been moving well. I do think there's more in them. I think there's a lot more in them. And I would expect to see probably more from him and the lads on Saturday. It's four o'clock to think in Mollongar on Saturday. Now look, we say these best are difficult places to go out at. Mollongar is a difficult place to go out at. - Absolutely. - I don't have too many pleasant memories of Mollongar. I know other people might from a different era with the carnival. It's not always been the most pleasant place to go out at for results as far as I can remember playing anyway. You know, at least memory. - Now that the last decent memory I have in it, and I think it was postured for a year with the footballers, or maybe it was the second year. And I think the carnival didn't get over with me in the morning. - Somebody got a late goal to level it. Shane only got a dinger of a goal one day up there to, I think it was to level it. The salary was to draw perhaps. It was another game, Brendan scored five or six points from play or something. It was another day. So, but not other than that, like, you nearly go just an hour and four to five minutes to get the Mollongar. And like, you're, you're bleeding for a performance nearly just to make it worth the journey. And that sounds nearly defeated. It's saying it. But I tell you one thing, even when you look at the, that '20s Harlan team, like, and similar to the seniors, what would they have to fear about any opposition? You would be better at asking this question than I would. Mollongar feels like a tight spot. Like, is it done stores at one end? - Yeah. - You can really reach over, touch the fire sideline. Does that tight pitch suit a car or style of Harlan? If there is a car or style of Harlan, or are we better off in an open expansive area? - I wouldn't know, like-- - Well, look, we have, I don't know what sort of a tread with Westmead pose, or what kind of size they are, or the speedier, whatever's going on. For new skillful Harlaners, like, you'll be able to adapt to that anyway, and play anywhere. Like, if you're harder or harder, I know it sounds like bacon and cabbage terminology, but like, if you're able to do it and do it to a good standard and do it a good pace and you have a good attitude, it will take a long way. And that was actually the standout thing from, you don't know, you touch on the fetus thing or whatever. But like, with these guys largely, it is developmental. Like, okay, you want to try push on and get results, and we had minor teams that got denser finals previously. We've got 21 teams that have comered in a poker ball of denser finals and stuff like that. But like, things change, and other teams go into the fray, and I mentioned there, they have been, you know, they have possibly, in some respects, replaced us at under age 11 in terms of where we were once upon a time. Well, I don't think we're certainly not too far off them, and these guys have really great, and that's what I loved about them overnight. That they didn't give in, they got stuck in there, they're absolutely torn into them, like, you know, and I will hold them for long periods and have lovely classy holders. And if you see, if you, these guys come out the same, they're blind, like, you know, we might have seen over the last couple of years, oh, where's the gym? Where's all these guys coming? Next thing all of a sudden, we're kind of curious on the senior team doing well. Jack McCollis and the senior team doing well. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We have the ball and, you know, we saw what he did in craw power last year. If we get a couple of these guys filter and true, and they're holding to a good standard, and they come with those raw materials, and under goes, as the fellow said, attitude, good statement, we'll pull in a shift. Man, it counts for an awful lot, like, you know? - Definitely, and little things as well, like the previous game was the last Friday evening, you have seven. - Yeah, yeah. - Jesus, like, awkward time for a match, you know, and maybe that's be it college or whatever, or even arranging with parents, and after a work trial, like in the crack, is doing fee-like championship, as such, but a weekend game mid-afternoon, where the excitement's able to build, like, there's a little bit of added, more added, a little bit of spice to that. - Yeah, you're right. Fish were responsible that recently, too, so when we were having a chat, he did say, like, that it's unfair on chaps to have, when even in later games that they, you know, it's not like adults that they haven't folded, it has worked to put in, to take your mind off something. You know, these chaps, like, predominantly, would be just thinking about the game. You know what I mean? It's like, give them a chance, kind of, and have it on earlier in the day, or whatever, both of that. I think, I don't care what Westmead have, like, I'd seen often those current lists to take on anyone. It wouldn't, I don't think it's gonna bother them, like, and yet the roadmap is pretty clear to get a result to think they're out, maybe, again, the following week, so, like, onwards and upwards. I know that the minor harder is, like, I missed that one a couple of weeks back, and I actually missed the car, I've seen the hop bars on on Westmead as well. Maybe that's not harm. We might like order. - Of course. - The minor harder is, did fairly well against Claire. Okay, it didn't look good on the scoreboard, comment towards the end of it, but I think that both of us are about, and, you know, a few guys looking pretty good to make the step there. And, you know, you mentioned there, think to bring the 20s hop bars, and... - The spring, I think... And obviously, the Andrew Carden cup means so much to car people in general for a start. But, you can't beat a win. There's just no beat in it, whether it's tiddly winks or what it is, a win is a win. And, to watch about, I couldn't get to the game yourself, but even watching about the clips of the goals, Liam Gavin, Raveler Booth, but Liam Gavin, back into goals. And, you know, just after a horrible result, again, it was the seniors against them, Wexford, and like, and only for the women with the division four, and given us all sort of a sense of relief, really, for the 20s to get that win, you kind of felt, okay, it's not, because even being a worker, that's texting or what's that groups or whatever, like it was starting to feel doom and doom there for 10 days, two weeks, you know, so that when the night was kind of like, all right, okay, let's not completely panic just yet, but not great win. - Absolutely, I was bringing in, like, in all their games, they have been really competitive, and that is the important thing. As we said, it is developmental. You have to be competitive and you have to get stuck in and, you know, bring your learnings. I know people don't like that term learning, it's supposed to take something from it, bring it forward and make yourself a better player. And if you look at the roadmap of results or whatever, okay, results haven't been hectic, but they have been, they're thereabouts in all of them. They were first looking against Leish, they actually bossed that one, Leish took their chances, they punished Caro. The Wicklow one, okay, to me, that looked slightly more comprehensive. The Wexford one, they were very much in it, these are of course, the Lenschampjockers were talking about such, and they just didn't get the results, but they were in it, and you can see they have talent in the footballer, so, you know, that picture they're nice is definitely great to see. And the goal is like I seen a couple of the highlights there that John Nolan put up in Fairpedo, it was great to see them after the games or whatever. Gavin took the goals very well as they're killing Brady, but man, the leap that John Perry has is just... - Oh, it's true. - It didn't mean to be a snake, you know, he'd normally keep that ball in, I think was for Gavin second, and take not knowing it was a super finish as well, or Perry is a serious athlete. - Yeah, and like, I look forward to meeting him someday, but your, when I looked at his interview afterwards, and you're just not expecting to take Caroax, and now you're like the Caro town accent, heavy edge like what I was like, and as a result of it, when you hear the accent, you're definitely not expecting the leap either, like you know, because it doesn't, they're not so, they're not so well-known. - I love that ball-round thing, right? He's, I think he's only brought, well, ask her in the company final last year. Take it, it's not really, it's not a ball-round any of what, he has the, the head of a ball-round with the, like effect in your awfully trophy base on it. - Or the, like a bot, this would have a bongle, or. - Yes, yes, I think that's exactly it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He brought us much to every final. I was classed, it just brought, brought a lot of fun and everything to it, it was really, really cool, but, now he's been excellent, like in, Tom Dylan, a chap I did to give a shout out to, like he stood out for me in the challenges for the ranked last year. He pulls out of nothing, and I'd rather have a ladly that all the, all the along that that's in him. And okay, he should have awarded whatever stage and tell the thought down a bit. I'd rather be doing that than trying to get that into someone, you know? You need a bit, you need a bit of coaching, like, that lad will not show you where I've run. The guy who's learning is a big, strong defenders. Like Shane Cormigan was a tasty forward for Grange in last year's championship, if memory serves me correct. He's back on her back and he's doing pretty good back there too, you know what I mean? - And the two boys on the same side as well. I always reckoned, at county level, there was a sense in putting two lads who from the same club on the same side, because you would assume straight away there might be a sense of trust or a bit more of understanding. But then like, I would have taken Shane Cormigan absolutely to be a tasty kind of forward. But he's done a bit of a, done a bit of a barrage on the light on us who, with our best fall, we're going up under 416 and ended up becoming our best defender like so. - I never knew that. I'd never had anything that that was the case because he looks so natural as a cornerback. Any time there was the same, actually, Brian. - That wouldn't surprise me, but it's better to take a score. - Yeah, that's the, he was converted as well. Like that half-ackling, the Carl-20's half, Mark Mullen, Alex Delaney and Tom Delano. I'd make an argument that it's as good a half-ackling as you would get anywhere. I think there are cracking footballers. I think it's a really talented side. Like, they call Mullen in the middle. He played, you know, limited amount of football for our seniors last year and came in against St. Joseph's. - And was absolutely outstanding in the Lancer Championship. Like, you know, they're really, really good side. And I'm delighted they got the result. I think they're all chosen against Westmead in kindergarten. I think it is. I don't know if there's a time, maybe seven or half, seven or something like that. Check up Carl-J-8 on me. - Something else that stands out here when I'm at the same. I'm just pulling up to the interim, maybe say if they're there. But every second-hander they look at, I might think back to last year's club championship base in a junior day, intermediate or senior. These are names that were prominent, you know? Whether it's, like I said, last time I seen Mark Mullen playing, I think he actually came off injured and was it a quarter final or? - Yeah, he was, he got the heart of last year in the championship at a crucial time. - Yeah, Josh Brady broke our hearts with the penalty. - Josh Egan even, like two years ago, I couldn't believe Josh Egan was under 20. Josh Egan was part of the time, nearly off their best player when they won the championship at senior level two years ago. Like that's meant. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 100% and I think I'm Josh and Keelan at their brothers, aren't they? - They're twins, yeah. - They're twins, are they? - Yeah, yeah, I think they are, yeah, I'm fairly certain. Yeah, if they're not, if they're not already twins, the most of you definitely are your twins. But here they are, I'll tell you, they looked absolutely spitting an image of each other. I think they are claims to be on a sport. - And then, our own friend, I had a murder so I meant it to feel like he is an athlete. And like, I can't wait to see him making the step off to becoming one of our kind of go-to guys. I'm from a club perspective, I've no doubt he'll do it at the county as well. Like, you know, but that's the 20s and the best look to them on. - She was there, yeah. - She was there. Ladies, I had a chat with Edel, Hayden and Ella Derenite on your behalf and we had a good bit of crack. But they're in, like I wouldn't have been overly familiar with structured ladies championship, but they were explaining it very well on the chat Derenite. And so they've had a two-week break after like a really hectic period of game after game and all the training that goes with it. And then they're in the train tomorrow night and then they're against loud on Sunday. And so it's a group stage. So they also have to play, I think it's Kekenny and they play and long for it as well. Yeah, so they've got those three important games coming up and they have the Ella Deren series look forward to regardless of results. So like, it's an exciting time to be, not only a ladies footballer, but a ladies footballer supporter in Cairo as well. As you mentioned there, it did give everyone a massive lift, you know, and thanks for filling in obviously and getting the content together. You're under pressure. I was under a lot of pressure, yeah. Seriously, I'm under pressure. But that was fantastic. Yeah, I had a lot going on today, that game, I won't lie, that was a particularly busy day. We did get to see the result or whatever as it had come true, like, I think, you know, I may have only the stroke again. Like just this, the kid basically, you know what I mean? Producing moments like that and bought a semi final final. And, yeah, like, it was so deserved. They have had unbelievable heartbreak over the past number of years, like, you know, as Ella said there, I think all one was harder to have you. 23 years later, like, there hasn't been much success over and back, like, I think, might be in a couple of lengths or juniors or whatever. And at the time, just not to be known as a disservice but the equivalent to where she teams may be in to go out dancing, like, you know, you know, they're going to be able to take away that Division 4 title from them because a lot of teams are often even standard. And, you know, it was an oppressive victory. On Ireland, who knows what'll happen. I mean, Lenzer will hit Lenzer for what it is and see what he got under. But on Ireland credentials, yeah, absolutely. They have them, have them in abundance. And they've got great depth, a great spread of clubs. And it's been a massive lift. And I think under 14s, possibly have a Lenzer find look forward against. - Yeah, that's great. - Yeah. - As well. - As well. 16s have, I know the 16s finished up a few weeks ago. They got a couple of top-class results as well. I think Barry Hayes was involved there. And there's a clatter that's actually involved. And I'm not going to start laying them out one by one 'cause they will forget someone. Well, the things are moving well. Like I mentioned this here weeks back. If you look at the underlying structure from a ladies' point of view and the halber of players has come and shown all that, like they're producing a fairly good role map. And one of the days that made me go out the last two, I think maybe we have a bit of learning from possibly what they're in, in many respects. But I don't mean that in a disingenuous way whatsoever. - 100%. - 100%. - 100%. - Yeah. They're literally reaping what they're on. And they've had their difficulties and all you mentioned, pitch is not a lot. - That's the thing. And like, sometimes you'd wonder, are you better off to not mention that and just focus on the football that they're playing and constant on the success, especially when it's taken them so long to get there, they just focus on that element of it. And at the same time, you know, you can't paper over cracks and so feeder. And in this day and age, there's no way a senior inter-country team should be making phone calls the day of or the day before a transition, trying to see what pitch will be made available to them. You know, that that's just unacceptable. - And I don't want to go around, I'm sure, and to give everyone a category, either credit, everyone's volunteers, everyone's trying their best. I totally understand that. And I know when it comes to the Fennel and the training center and the work that's going in there and there's a development committee and they're doing their best to drive it on. And I'm sure there's a some kind of an argument about whether or not women's club teams pay towards Fennel and I know when the GP met, when it was common, that was a consideration. I know all of those things, but you can put all that into a little ball and pack it over there. And the very simple question is, should a senior inter-country ladies team who have just won promotion have access to the training center, no matter what it takes, and the simple answer is yes. Do you know, regardless of all those other things and they're all important and everyone's doing their best, they just should have access to the training center. - Yeah, yeah. - There's three or four pitches down there. I'm sure that we could make it available to them. - And they've earned it now at the stage, that's the one. - I have liked to run across their flagship team now. You know, their flagship team, they won the only title. And yet there has been conversations about that GP money and I think they are still ongoing. And that might be the case for the men's side of things too. We won't go into the ins and outs of that, but I think there is a little bit about that and there's two conversations to be had. One thing though, like, and I did ask Lenny here this, and I think I asked Rachel Serdis on the whole integration side of the brain. I mean, when we see things like that, you'd be thinking like integration has to be a benefit or a prostrate. But then I look at the kamorgi side of things and I see this on topic of scores and I've been voted against and not letting them wear it. And like, just to put with this lemur, this is not a thing of the men's taking in the women as if they're fucking refugees. Probably, I don't mean to be like that, but that's how it sounds sometimes. That also we'll take in the women, we'll take in the ladies so far and take in the kamorgi. It's actually unity, like, it's the dream we're supposed to come together as. You could argue for sure, the men's are coming over to the women's games as well. You can flip it wherever you want. The point I'm making is the concern I would have is that when you see things like that happening as a separate entity, you'd wonder those integration actually, I'm not against integration by the way, but we're just integrating, solve a problem like a scored issue. I'd be saying to myself, as if you can't sort out this thing as a separate entity, like, at least make ourselves presentable as an organization and do the common sense approach and give someone the comfort to wear whatever it is they like in order to play it again to the best of their ability and not be thinking about it. And it might sound a bit pedantic and, you know, well, it's important. And I think the key thing, 100%, I agree with you 100%, and the key thing with the score debate was it wasn't even that they were getting rid of the scores, it was just simply to give women the option. Yeah, it's just an option. And maybe you'll find that the vast majority and for whatever reason might actually prefer them, maybe there's more leg room in them. Don't know, I've never won one, but they're just not given the option. And yeah, I know, that's crazy. Don't get me wrong, don't get me wrong. I absolutely, there's nothing worse than if you go to watch a football match, men or women, sharks or scarves. And if you were going to watch Black and Bridge against palette in the game, right? And Black and Bridge has to go out and you guys wear black shorts, right? You're a center for our girls out and it's wearing your kit and it's wearing white shorts. That does look cat. Yeah, it wasn't even talking about that. We're just talking about whether there's a piece of material in the middle or not. That's really the difference between the scarves and the shark shorts, right? So it was the big deal, you know? I look, you know, they had their platform on Sunday from a commodity point of view in Crowe Park, and yet most of the discussion is about something like that instead of like, and you know what? They have to talk about it and that is the platform to do it if it is an issue, of course. Well, like the amount of goods hurling in that senior final and predictor and it was some good moments in the Westmeade and dirty game, was Westmeade and dirty, wasn't it? I think it was, yeah, it was good moments in that, but there was seriously high skill levels in the senior one and there's, they're moving the right direction on the field of play. Well, Jesus, sometimes you see things off the field and you're like, lads, get it. Now, the lads, the Gaelic Athletic Association is the very same, there is so much that can be worked upon and you see that everyone says common sense where everyone's interpretation of common sense, of course, is different as well. Well, integration is probably a topic for a completely different day and I know I understand. I don't want to be taking up too much of your time. I'm okay for a few minutes extra, but the concern I would have from an integration point of view is that like, we all know clubs are paying managers and they can put it up with expenses or dress moped up as land, whatever you want, but clubs are paying managers. They have been since God was young, but it's not changing. But if the lads then have an outside manager with their pen, right? And if the kamoggi said you'd have a manager at their pen and if they are integrated as such, where does this money come from? Where does this come from out of the slab? 'Cause like, you might be giving your senior football manager a hundred quater, if you have a hundred club, maybe he's getting a hundred. The ladies manager could be getting a hundred. The kamoggi manager could be getting a hundred. You're in a small area. Okay, Klesha don't have all these teams, for example, but just say if it was Klesha, for argument's sake. Right, the one that you're asking now for maybe a scat-spouncing castle is after increasing fourfold. And not every company that you go to, I would be able to give you that. So where does this get resourced? So where's the financial element coming in? Are you? You know, it's a serious problem for the athlete. I'm not against it, but I'm really intrigued to see how they're going to make a war prank. You know what I mean? - Definitely, there's a brilliant book, Cristio Connor, The Doorbeer Field. - Oh, fantastic, The Globe, yeah. - The Globe, unbelievable book. And he, the things he was talking about almost 20 years ago now. - That's definitely the 15 years ago, yeah, yeah. - There are some clubs, and like, that's a club, that he was involved with the club who won an Allardin Senior Club Championship. And that club are now a football club. Harlem has become the secondary sport, right? And part of that is down to the fact that there was a paraphrase and stuff that he said in the book now, but that like the structures weren't put in place. Success can pay over an awful lot of cracks. - Hmm. - I mean, you win a championship, right? And I think as we can't do final, and in the win, right? Everyone's a great lead. And it doesn't matter that there's no bulbs in the floodlight back in the, in the, in the, in the picture home, because actually, we get to that, so we won the championship now, you know? And the problem is, and I think one of the key things he used to talk about in the book was having a coach, having never mind paying managers, every club should go and have a full-time coach whose job is to nurture the coaching of every single team. Like a nine to five job, if you like, or a child to midnight job or whatever. And, and like, I think the, the concept of a coach, needs to change people's minds. It's not that the standard side of the game, go hard, go hard, it's actual someone to coach the skills of the game and coach the way the modern teams are playing in different styles. And like, I never, and Paul Broderick won't mind me telling this, but I remember having a chat with Paul Broderick on the evening, and he was saying them, he was saying that he, no one ever, at any stage in his coaching, no one ever said, "No, Paul, this is how you should room for that ball." Or, "This is how you should, you should, you should, drink this way, drink that way, and then run." Or, "No one ever calls them how to time run even." He figured that all out on, on his own. Now, people will say, "But that's, that's natural scale." And that's like, that's what everyone does it. What I mean, if you really want to, if a, a, a, a club to be sustainable and progressive, you need to have a coach that, a full-time coach that's looking after the coaching of every single team. And then at certain levels, okay, you bring in a manager who can put in a system or whatever the hell, but at least everyone is on the same page as the same coaching. The skill level should be relatively, it should be a baseline skill level basically. So, I'm sorry to interrupt you. - No, no, I think, I think it's a fantastic point. And, you know, our arguments made and, you know, I'm not gonna name a name protector, but man, we know quite well, has said for years, if a portion of the money that is pumped into paying a senior manager every year is pumped in to literally what you just said, where is your club then? - Nobody wants to, and I actually agree with him. Like, he's won't be over over time. Like, we've had serious debates on this. And like, you know, you can see people would say, "I get a big name in, get lads up to the field." And, you know, you have point in all that. And you win this one championship, as you said, it's bright, shiny cup, it looks fantastic. And it means the world people, and then there's nothing for another, whatever month of years. If you're, people want it yesterday, right? That's, that's what is, don't success yesterday. But if you're prepared to wait, and invest, and build it up over time, minus renders didn't become a serious low overnight. If you look at them and take them as a template, you know, they had to build and build and build. - And I'm sure none of them got paid for it, like, you know? - No, absolutely. I would have 100% of being agreement with you. No, just that, yeah. - The big name that comes in, and gets the boys over the line with the championship, and you forget about the four or five lads that maybe walked away from the panel during the year because they weren't getting the game in the league, or they paid a couple of games in the league, and then the country boys came back and they got dropped. - And what we're not in about in all this, is that the players had to be of a standard to be in a position to win a championship. And so what else has got them there? Or a group of different people have got them there from good coaching the whole way up along. Like, he just didn't come in and wave a magic wand. Look at me go to where we're weak law, right? Let that be the example. Okay, did it at least, there were serious players out there at a minor server. Weak law didn't have much credentials as, you know, underage kingpins, right, like that. When he went down, and he got some top class results like, 'cause they had good footballers, and he's still a bit of belief. That came from good coaching as far as all. - Look, I know if you go on a server level. - Yeah, very last point. It's not that the coach that you have to imply, starts in the field at half-five on a Thursday evening, and stays training every single team. But he sits in place, the schedules, he sits in place what the development should be, so that at under 12, you're learning these skills, and you're honing these skills. At under 14, you're starting to tweak it slightly. And that coach has to go to the, the club committee meetings and say, "Here's the progression. "This is why you're paying me money." Kevin Regan came in, he couldn't solo the ball with one leg. Now he can solo one too, you know. And that kind of progression, whereas when you've all volunteers, you've all parents involved, it's very, very hard to haul them into a meeting and say, "Jesus, you know, you got hammered for 14 to no score." Like, you can't do that to an amateur volunteer who is just trying to do their best, and maybe with very limited knowledge of the game or experience of the game themselves. You were so thankful to get the volunteers that we have. - Absolutely, they're prepared to go up their time. - You can't haul them over the calls. So the solution is you get a coach in who's responsible for nurturing every single team. Take a hundred, like at senior, you're dealing with adults, if you want to make commitments, then you can do, you can do bad things and do beer bands, and you can do bring in dieticians. You can do all that kind of stuff 'cause you're dealing with adults, but to get a base level of scale and the base level of even such things as understanding why you have to volunteer in a club and that's not okay really just to get to senior level and maybe drop off and never give back to the club that gave you so much, you know? - Exactly, you've got to get back in. - Think about it from a very simple piece of mathematics. Eight teams in the Cardinals in the football championship this year. So seven of those teams will go away disappointed and they'll have pumped in the same amount of time, effort, energy, possibly money as a team that's won it. We're only one can win it. So is that really a good investment then? Are we just like looking at this? Is it just that point in the sky, can it stuff? And the same with the Harlem championship. We'll fight teams that will have invested all that and will have not in the show first and just think about where it's pumped in. No, I think it's definitely something. A couple of things I would like to mention and maybe a couple of coronavirus that throw up me but Shane Morrie of Morrie's bar in Baltimore is obviously a very kind sponsor of ours. He is involved with the Carolina Kumogis. They are up against Armah in Don Ghani in the order to be mine or something final at the weekend. So I want to give that a shout out to Tink. Let me just get the exact time. It is on some name almost certainly. Yeah, two-turpy open Don Ghani's. We wish them the very best looking. The other one, of course, that we want to mention is Mickey O's minor footballers that, you know, again, just over the past couple of weeks that do where things worked out, I would have liked them to have done a bit more content but I have seen them in most of the games. I've got to see half the week log in kind of the other day and I've hope and have some made a report but no, I do believe that they're out on the 18 to major. I think they're out with a lens or something that's kind of proper now. The eight version of it anyway and the caramel in order to think of you on the 18 to May also. But, I mean, you know, Mickey's a big man for competitive and being competitive and, you know, all that kind of stuff as well. And, look, I'm sure I won't mind you saying and it would be only the human if he wasn't. Very disappointed, obviously, after the game against Whitlow on Saturday down Enochrom and he goes with two-four teams, maybe the five. He finished or maybe something Lando's lines. But again, like, if I had turned that off at half time, I wouldn't have thought to be 15 points in the second half because the chaps really got stuck in again and I hit like being so bland about it but so many teams don't do it. They're hopped off as the shoulders and just a little bit of a shit-houser in there. Let's lose that term, right? Maybe just hold the player for a minute. They show that they cared, you know. And in all our games so far, while results haven't quite gone their way, again, you're looking at promise. You're looking at players, they're going down on us to look for me. I'm proud of us as a good bit of stuff. They were born and I thought that their day at wingback for the half hour is always, was really good. Ross Moore and I fall back. That's just never no four. I've seen something in nearly all of them at different stages to say to me. So they are going to be very good, at least at a club footballers. There's someone that would be very good senior, county footballers. Some that would be very good 20s footballers. Basically, lots of potential, lots of good stuff happening. And again, just to reiterate like, and some people would say, "Well, no, it is about results." Is it really? Like this is under 17 now. It's not all school minor. In effect, they even look younger. I know they are younger by a year but they look maybe two years younger than what all school minor was. Like someone else minor for us in the eighties. Why is it called 40? I don't know why he's in the seventies and eighties. What was going on? Maybe he's got some cursors. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, he's pointing a lot of work and I know it. Like he takes the place seriously. I know he's a few ideas in the pipeline as well, which you won't really kind of hold here in this picture of podcasts. But he has got ideas. He's very open-minded on how maybe we can drive things on and other nots and approach things kind of globally across the county. So watch this face. - Definitely, definitely. Well, I drew you a lot of lemons and you made a lot of lemonade, so fair pay TSR. And our congratulations to you again. Best look to all carothemes out and about this weekend. We'll have the full support of the left-wing back podcast and hopefully we'll get some good content and some interviews over the weekend as well. But from me, Bob and from Kev, that's it. - Thanks for being in the answer. Pleasure as always. - Thanks, Kev. (whooshing)
