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The Miami Heat, they're in Boston, they're flying there as we speak to play the Boston Celtics. For the fourth time in five postseason, of course, the heat of one, two of the last three, of course, in those two victories, they had Jimmy Butler. This time, they do not. They also do not have Terry Rosier. He's still weak to weak. I said yesterday on Discord, looking maybe like a game three, and that's about what a week is. The good thing about the playoffs is they spread these things out, so we're going to milk this over the next two weeks or one and a half weeks or wherever long it takes, and obviously they're going to try to get Rosier healthy with that neck injury, but so far he's not available. Duncan Robinson did play last night, so I think you can anticipate that they'll probably ramp up his minutes a little bit here in this series, and I think you can also anticipate, and Caleb Martin pretty much said this last night after the game. I was in the locker room, probably see the same starting lineup that you saw in this past game. So what we're going to do here, we got Brady Hawk. You can follow him at Brady Hawk 305. El Salido, you can follow the tropical blanket. We're going to try to find a way that this can be competitive. Let's just start from the very beginning on this, okay, because I think we should state our positions. Does anybody think they're winning this series? Alex's mic doesn't work, but I don't know if that's why he's mute right now. He's shaking your head. I'm shaking my head for multiple reasons. Okay, there you go. They're not winning the series. Brady, Brady, are they winning this series? I'm not going to sit here in the light like I haven't talked myself into it weirdly at random moments. Like, let's just be, I feel like everybody has like randomly talked themselves into it at certain pockets. Like, if this happens, if this happens, but like, you have to have a lot of things break right, and I think that's kind of what we're going to talk about you. Right, I don't think they're winning the series either. I don't know if they would have won the series if they were totally healthy at this point. And we talked about that over the course of the season that I thought some thought getting bossed earlier was better. I thought getting them later was better because then you would have assumed that the heat would have developed some rhythm that we hadn't seen the entire year by the time they got to the Celtics. At this point, you've got a rested Celtics team. You got a Miami team that is coming in completely wrecked. I mean, they don't have Jimmy. They don't have Rosier. Duncan is still not 100% even though I mentioned that he's playing. And so you're talking about, wait, maybe three of your four or five best offensive players are just not available to you or not in the shape that you want them to be in. And you're going against a team that was, and again, I think we all despise many things about the Celtics and their fan base. They were as even Tyler Hero said yesterday. Historically good, historically good this year in terms of their offensive proficiency. And just in terms of the way they dominated a conference, I mean, look, it's a weak conference. A lot of these teams that won in the high 40s and then the Knicks getting 50 wins. They beat up on the garbage at the bottom end of the conference, but still Boston lapped the field. You got to give them credit for that. They're much better than they were last year. Thank you, Joe Cronin, who decided to send Drew holiday to them, which was the thing that pissed the heat off the most about that whole off season process because they would have liked to have got it all drew or certainly not have him go to Boston. And then the Porzingis trade for smart has obviously worked out to this point. We'll see if it does in the playoffs because smart was a core rotation player for them in the postseason. And Porzingis tends to get hurt, but Porzingis was kind of a cheat code against the heat this year. And they were three and oh against Miami, even though even when Miami was healthier. So all of that being said, things are against them. I'm going to say one thing, though, okay, and then we're going to get into the just strategy with you guys is that there is this Ewing theory concept, okay, and was actually created by of all people, Celtic super fan Bill Simmons, where a guy goes out. This goes back to the 1999 playoffs, where the Knicks were actually the eight seed, but Patrick Ewing was never their, their franchise player was never really healthy at that point. And they had put a team together on the fly that hadn't really worked in the regular season. It was a 50 game season. It was shortened because of a lockout. They actually only finished six games behind the heat, but they were the eight seed and the heat was the one seed. And without Ewing, once they figured out they weren't going to have him, which sometimes makes it easier, they created a new game against around Alan Houston, the trail spree well, and Marcus can be primarily. They beat the heat and they went all the way to the finals. So this kind of thing can happen. And I, there was actually a heat executive that I talked to a week ago before he knew that Jimmy was going to get tackled by Kelly Oubre. And he said that the big problem from then this year was not that guys were out. It was that they were out and coming back in that they could never develop any continuity because it was too in, too out, too in, too out and all of that. And sometimes it's better to just know someone is out. So at the very least the heat have clarity. They're huge underdogs, 14 and a half point underdogs on better edge use the code five RSN to get $20 to play. They're 14 and a half point underdogs. They are the biggest long shot of all the playoff teams going into the postseason. They know what they have and they know what they don't. And maybe there's something positive to that. But let's go to this, Alex. If they're at a win, what is the one matchup that they need to exploit the most? Oh, man, I'm going to go into my signature. That's a tough question as I stall for time. But I guess to me it just like there's a lot of space for creativity, I think, with the way that spoke and go about the matchups in this series. And we saw last night being the perfect example and it was being asked about post game and everybody saw it to start the game. BAM was matched up on Demar DeRozan, Nicole Yovich on Vusovich. And that's something that they're able to do. And we've seen different versions of that. But with BAM guarding bigger players like Janice and Zion, well, Yovich covers a Brook Lopez or a Valenschunas, this is obviously a different thing. And I think we're all aware that BAM is capable of doing that. So if he starts off with that type of game plan, then I think whoever BAM is guarding is that matchup because I think it's like, and that's pretty tantalizing to think about too because it's like you can theoretically throw maybe Caleb on Jalen Brown, BAM on Tatum. We just lost Alex for a bit though, but I get where he's going. And the BAM matchup here for sure, I mean, I think the biggest matchup they can exploit is the guy who'd be setting up these matchups, which is the coach. But again, as we kind of narrowed down on it, it is kind of using BAM as the chess piece here defensively. But Brady, if we're to assume that you're looking at a starting lineup again of Caleb, Bro, Hawkez, Yovich, and BAM, where do you, I mean, do you play fast again? We saw them play fast against Chicago, like that was the strategy, just we talk about they're a terrible transition team and it's like, okay, but play fast. Is that a way to attack this? I think so. I was saying, I was talking to Jaime and BAM and a couple of guys about the way they'd leaned into that. And it's like, you have a team full of guys and their loads of oneies and you have guys that like to play fast that it's almost like, so I was like, okay, just see what happens. Just make it. If you're the whole goal here in this series and every game here is to make it as ugly as possible. Just make it disgusting basketball. Just try to just make it a defensive game and just make it like a horrible watch. But with that said, when you're trying to turn them over and make things ugly, you have to play fast. And as Jaime was talking about, when I asked about, he was like, you want to try, you don't want to go up against that set defense as often as possible. You still, even if you're the way they are in transition, you have to try and take advantage of. You just have to. That's the only way you're going to have a chance of like making, putting runs together. Because as we've seen, they had a big first quarter, got Chicago's second quarter, comes around and there's a bit of a drought. Like they can't have those droughts. You have to find pockets of the game to do that. But I think that the matchups question, I think the one that pops out to me is Jaime. And it's crazy to say because he's the rookie and the fact that he's kind of your mismatch guy. But I talked about with Alex at the game, like I've been saying it all season. Jaime does not, the one comparison to Jimmy that is not all the way there is Jimmy looks for mismatches. He looks for advantages. He looks for somebody that he's like, okay, I can attack that guy. I can put that guy on my back and I could go with him in the mid post. Jaime doesn't do that. Jaime just goes that whoever is in front of him. He does not care if it's a big man, if it's a guard, if it's a wing, he's going to just go at you, that it feels like in a seven game series when there's schematics and there's counters and everything being put back together. They have to come into this game and say, Jaime, you have to go and attack this guy here and go after this spot and do this. And you can't just keep going. I think all around. So it's like, that's the one spot matchup that I'm kind of looking for. And there's look in that starting life, there's not a lot of things that you can attack. Like you have obviously bigger wings, you have Brazilianis out there. You have kind of two guards that are tough defensive guards. So it's not like you can just go find Drew and post them up, but there are certain ones off the bench. There are certain matchups they can go out that Jimmy has always done that I think that's going to be an interesting one. I think if they could find ways in the other thing here is they have so many pick and roll guys, they have pull up guys on this team that Jaime's the one guy that gives them a different element. Like it's like, okay, you could put him here with his back to the basket and at least gives them a different look. So I think that that matchup's going to be important. But I mean, we can't even, I think we're going to get back to the main thing here. We can't look away from Tyler. Like Tyler, he's averaging 24 game against Boston this year across three games. He's had big games. He attacks the drop. He's hit pullups. Now the question becomes, he's not just the other guy. He's not just the other guy next to Jimmy. Now they're scheming against him in this playoff series saying Tyler, we are not letting Tyler go off against us. They're going to find so many ways to try and push him out that it's just, it comes down to the way that Spo and Tyler treat that counter. I'm with you on Tyler, obviously the ball is going to be in his hands a ton. He has played well against Boston at times. And so I think that's promising. I liked the way that he started to read the game as it went on in the last game. And obviously he has a fearlessness about him. You know, some people don't like it, but he's going to keep taking those shots. And in the playoff series like this, where you have nothing to lose, you kind of want that. I actually think that the piece is Yovitch and I think so because, yes, I understand what Hawke is, that again, a lot of the Jimmy stuff that they're going to run. I just feel like we're all pointing to Hawke is like I pointed to him last night and that proved to be pretty much true. He was the guy who really got them going at the beginning. But I don't know. I just think there's just so much more there with Nico right now that they haven't really gotten to. And if you're talking about a series where you have nothing to lose, like why not put the ball in that kid's hands? Like, because I don't know that, and again, we're mentioning it here on the podcast, I don't think Joe Missoul is listening. I don't think they're going to be looking for that. And I don't know. There's not a lot of film on him. Ethan, like there's a lot of film they can find, so it's like the one wrinkle that nobody really knows. Yeah. And that's my thing is that, okay, so we saw some of it in the World Cup, right? We've seen we saw some of it in Summer League, but then it was like, all right, he did this great job kind of learning how to be a positional defender and what he did filling it at the force spot. But I don't know. I just feel like that's one of those things that they can unlock here. I think the other thing, and we will post it. I don't know. Maybe I'm the back end of this podcast or maybe we'll do it on another one that I'm going to post before tomorrow. But the conversation with the long right after the game last night about his struggle. And actually, he's really talked about this to many people, but he had the seven straight DNP's. He knew how many. He said, he's like, yeah, when I had the seven straight DNP's, and he said, I wasn't in shape. He says, you know, the whole idea, because I reminded him about the, you know, the top of his own stuff we talked about when he was on the podcast and him and Heywood. Hey, it was right next to him. Once Yovitch left, Heywood's locker, which Heywood was not really understanding why Yovitch was doing his, his availability in front of his locker. And he said, he said, yeah, I love the idea of that. And then I did it. And then I realized I wasn't in shape and it took him this time to get in shape. And you know, we talked about obviously, you know, Terry coming back and Patty coming in, but I think he's a key to I really do like I they're going to deploy him all over the place. And he said, this is really the only time in his career other than when he played with Luca, that he's had to just be catching shoe, that the balls not in his hands very much. And he's getting comfort with some of those spots on the floor. And we've seen his growth into this role here over the past couple of weeks. So those are two of my dark horses, uh, Yovitch, uh, and, and right. I want to come back. We're going to let Alex jump back in here. 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Because this is obviously a completely different team and you kind of hinted at it there with the Ewing theory. The whole thing is like you're kind of shaping the way that the team runs, you're shaping the outline of their offense, you're changing things, right? And it's completely different from the identity of the team that has been playing all season. And I think that's where there can be some underlying upside where like things that maybe Missoula can't scout for, but then when I start to think about it, it's like he did throw a lot of those things last night versus Chicago, right? With what I mentioned before with the Obitch Guardian, Bruce of which Bam on Drosan being an example of that. I think you can throw out a lot of different coverages like he has in the past, but I do think we know what he likes to do more often than not when it comes to certain guys and what ball screen coverages they go to and then certain lineups with the bench units more often than not. They're going to be in the zone. It's of course going to be a huge part of this. So I'm interested to see like how much spose strays from what we've seen, right? Specifically last night because like you can do, I think when you think about like guarding Tatum and Brown, I think showing them different looks and not getting them used to the same look over and over, it's probably going to be a way that you go about it. I'm a little bit scared about their defensive game plan when I think about it, right? Because it's like you can't exactly help off of a Marcus Smart or Grant Williams or Robert Williams. Like they've got Porzingis out there and I guess like their worst spacer and they're starting five now is due holiday. So it's a little bit tough if you're going to be helping off of him the whole time. So I think they're going to be, it's going to be interesting to see how much they, you know, help, right? How quick they are to help whether they send a later help or an earlier help. I think you got to be kind of disciplined with that against the Celtics because they can move the ball. They can shoot. They can all space the floor like Porzingis just adds that layer, right? And you can't switch everything like you used to as well because Porzingis can kind of just shoot right over the top of anybody that you switch onto him that's really small. So I think they're going to have to be really disciplined in this one, but I don't know how you do that while also throwing a bunch of different coverages, right? Like I don't, I think he's going to have to find a base and I'm not sure what the bases. I think right now he's probably going to be experimenting with different things and seeing what sticks and then maybe figuring out like, okay, these are going to be the main looks I we show for a Tatum ball screen or, you know, Jalen Brown, Chatham left, all that stuff. I think, you know, there is no margin for error, you know, it comes down to that. There is no margin for error. They're going to have to play a super low turnover game and that's also hard to do when we're talking about like passing the ball and playing with pace, right? Like that becomes harder to do stay as a low turnover team. So what I'm saying is they got to throw out a lot. Well, here's my overall phone on it. Okay, Brady, as we look at the macro of it, I think you usually look at a series and when you enter it, you're like, okay, we're talking about trying to win four out of seven, right? So we don't throw everything out in game one, all right, we're holding certain things back. It's probably going to be a long series. And I think even if the heat we're entering is an eight seed, I think if they had Jimmy and Rosie, they would be of the mindset. This is going to be a long series like we were, you know, we have enough. So to speak, trademark that we can get it there. And so we're not going to put everything out. I think it's different now. I think this is you throw the kitchen sink out until you get a win. I think you treat every game like it's a play in game. Like you just throw it out, you try this, you try that, you try this, you do zone and this is where Spo is at his best. You do the mad scientist things, kind of what we're getting out here. And until you get one, right? And then okay, if you can get one, if Boston does what they've done at times down the stretch of games, if they take you somewhat lightly, if they start making some mistakes, if there's foul trouble, if there's a poisonous injury, if there's any of that kind of stuff, you've got your one, okay, maybe you get a little closer to Terry coming back, then if he can come back, because I think he would have been major in this series, if he can come back and he's full strength somehow, then you've got this whole other element that you've added in that Boston needs to adjust to. I think game one's a kitchen sink game. I don't think you hold anything back. I think you do exactly what you, I'm not exactly because you do different things, but you approach it the same way that you approach the Chicago game. This is the roster for that too, I mean, it's a bunch of defensive psychos and a bunch of young guys. So it's like, you could just be, just throw a bunch of stuff out there. And look, we're now at the point where Jaime and Jovitch were talking about in a Boston Celtic series are like your X factors and main guys. So it's like, you have to move pieces around anyway daily and by game by game that at this point, it's like, if you start to adjust a ton, it's nothing they're not used to. So I agree. I think there's going to be a part where they start to mix specifically without with what Alex was talking about. They're going to have to mix so much defensively. And that's kind of the kitchen sink part is like, you know, what they do, like they'll be like, Oh, okay, randomly in a game three, they throw out this variation of the press and zone and they try to throw up a team. I agree. I think they have to do it in Boston. They have to throw everything out there, Boston to try and get one. I think specifically with the real schematics, like zone, I'm not a big fan of against this team. They do it, it has to be against the Porzingis lists lineups. Like I would not be doing a lot of zone against Porzingis. The man stuff I think they could be creative with. I think now because what we just saw with Bama de Rosen, I know this is kind of against what we were all talking about. I think that's a little bit of a smokescreen even. I think that was like a thing where it's like, okay, this is the way they're going to treat it now in Boston. I think there's a good chance we see the first game of Boston out the gate, like immediately is bam on Porzingis and they're like, and now everybody, everybody thinks they're going in this opposite direction and they're game planning for it and they're going to come out right out the gate and throw bam on Porzingis and just match up straight up and then that will be the adjustment later in the second half maybe and they go from there. So to your point, that's what I think they're going to have to do. But let me just throw two other names at you because I know we've been bouncing around some names and there's two guys that I think could be the X factors in this series because Jaime's like kind of a main guy here. Like I just felt like he could be a mismatch exploiter. Like he's not an X factor to me at this point. He would high spits number one like that's a guy that's playing 36 to 40 minutes in this series again. Like they need that guy out there. They need him guard adjacent to you and they need him guarding a bunch of their wings and suppose it sees on the floor, suppose that's taking him out. So it's not taking him out against his team. He just fits too well of what they need and they want to make it ugly. And the second guy is Kevin Love. I think he's the guy, the most important player in the series. I just look at what they need to do offensively. I don't have a lot of trust in the scoring consistently. I just don't. It really comes down to them hitting pullups consistently. And I just don't think there's going to be too many pockets where that doesn't happen. Love can change what they do in the half court. He can change the high low stuff. He could change the spacing. He can bring Porzingis out to the three point line. He could set up all those type of actions. He's been glued to I mean, he's been glued to so many Jimmy lineups that we haven't. We have not seen a lot of Tyler here or Kevin Love like it's not. We don't have it a crazy amount of film in minutes log with that. I thought it was really interesting in this last Chicago game like that pick and pop pairing because they're going to game plan so hard to cut off that Tyler hero pull up and they get it in previous games already in the season that that Kevin Love pop is going to be there. He's going to have the ability to get open pullups. I mean spot up threes off that pop that it's going to be important. And as much as we're talking about the young guys playing into the speed of the game. That guy Kevin Love is going to get the ball out on the break. Like he's he's somebody that could kind of change a momentum he could kind of get you going in that way. But that outlet past that we've talked about. So I just think those are two guys and obviously they're coming off the bench that are going to be crucial. And the other part about the Kevin Love thing I think he had we're going to see a lot of Kevin Love band lineups like I know he's the back of five here, but that's the big change up here. It's like yeah, Nico can size up and he could guard some Porzingis, but I think you're going to see a lot of Kevin Love in this in this series where they're trying to size up and that way. And that's when they can adjust to the BAM on Tatum stuff and the BAM on Brown stuff. So I think Kevin Love can unlock a lot of things in the series. Well, the three week rest that Kevin Love got which as he was rehabbing has served him well because he's been he's been tremendous. He had 16 and five in his first 11 minutes in the play in game. And I was going to say that that I do think it's funny. We talked about the heat not having much size and they're going against a big team here, but they're going to play with more size than they typically do. I do think that as much as we say, Hey, what's going to play a lot of minutes, it's going to be at the three. I can see a lot of these, these Yovitch minutes with BAM, Yovis minutes, maybe even some would love and certainly some would love and with BAM and you mentioned this too. You mentioned highsmiths. It was a funny scene yesterday, which just tells you what he's about other than him being upset that Yovitch was big timing and took his locker to do his media. Ira was talking to, to highsmith on his way out of the pregame, it's called in big time now and he says, Nah, I'm just a regular guy, I just get more minutes. He is kind of like the silent assassin for them defensively and they're going to utilize him in a ton of different ways. All right. I'll let you close on this, Alex. The late game stuff. Oh God. Well, I mean, let's say they get it there. Then what? Is this, is this, I've just Tyler just assumed the Jimmy role and okay, any shot the Tyler takes we're going to live with or is there some other way that they can go here? Well, first of all, I guess it also depends what lineups the Celtics are throwing out there. If right, because you guys mentioned there, the Kevin Love and BAM lineups. So that's like immediately one thing that comes to mind when you're thinking about like, you know, adding to the theme of different looks that you can throw out at them. You know, whether you're talking about lineups or whether you're talking about strategy. That's something that last year, if I remember correctly in the conference finals, the Kevin Love minutes went down as the series went on. So I'm with you guys that I would like to see that thrown in here and there, but I'm going to be monitoring it because to see if SPO goes away from what's been working so well, you know, Kevin Love is the five with the spaced out floor with the bench units. You know, Jimmy, but like Brady mentioned, Tyler there with K Love, that's something there that like, you know, like you mentioned, there's not a lot of film on that. And you know, when they're inevitably jamming the Tyler BAM pick and roll, which they're going to be most likely most of the time, trying to take away Tyler's pull up, trying to take away the pocket pass to BAM for the open mid-range, I don't think those shots are going to be available to them too often throughout this series. That takes away like the, you know, the most obvious action that comes to mind with the lineup that they have right now, right? The Tyler BAM two-man game. If that is going to be taken away, what immediately goes next in my head is Jaime. And it's like what Brady was talking about before, just him attacking relentlessly. I think it's going to be a theme throughout this series. And I'm going to be interested to see how much, you know, they split the usage up a little bit, you know, like, down the stretch of a fourth quarter in a Heat Celtics game. Like I wonder how much of it will be, you know, maybe we start off with the Tyler BAM pick and roll, eventually the ball, you know, goes out to the second side and Jaime attacks, you know, finds an angle. Like, I think we could see a lot of that. But I do think the ball movement needs to be crisp. And just going back to what I was talking about earlier with the low turnover game, like there is, again, no margin for error. You can't be making mistakes. I think they need to move the ball and, you know, like what you guys were talking about earlier with Yovic, I think there's things you can throw there because there just hasn't been that much of him this season, like running pick and roll and kind of just doing things that are outside of the norm for him where like throughout most of the season when he started with Jimmy, specifically with Jimmy, he kind of turns into more of a play finisher who does some connective things along the way. Otherwise, I think now his role is probably going to feature more ball handling, a little bit more initiating, you know, a little bit pick and roll every now and then maybe initiating handoffs. Like, I think you could do some different stuff with Yovic to kind of throw the Celtics off. I don't think he's going to be closing. I don't know that Kevin Love is going to be closing next to him next to BAM. So then I just think about, you know, Jaime, Haywood, Tyler, BAM and Caleb. Is that going to be the closing unit? So I think he'll lean defense and then I think then what becomes the question is who's going to make the open threes if they come and what is the spacing going to look like with that lineup? Because we saw some spacing yesterday, they got away with it. God, the Bulls are bad. They're going to back out of the way, like all for those three other guys, real hard. Oh, yeah, they are. And, you know, look, you know, there's one thing we haven't talked about them at all until you just mentioned them, I asked Caleb yesterday, I said, you think you're on the scouting report now and he smiled and he said, yeah, I mean, if you look, they're afraid of Caleb Martin up there. I think he fans are afraid of Caleb Martin, too, with some of the consistency this season. But they're afraid of Caleb Martin. Like if you got Easter conference finals, Caleb Martin, then this is a different conversation we're having here. He was arguably their best player of that series last year. So I don't know. And look, this is a huge opportunity for him. I'll just say this, okay. I think when you look at and if Greg and I do another podcast, we might dig into this more specifically. But I think if you look at who has something to gain in this series and who has something to lose. I don't think Yoavitch and Hawkins have anything to lose. I don't think this colors their future in any way. No one is expecting them to be lead guys right now. I think it's interesting to see how the two of them play off of each other if they're going to be core pieces and how they play off a Tyler case. He's going to be a piece. I think the guys who have something at stake of this series are Bam, Tyler, Caleb. Those are the three who have something at stake. Highsmith has made his case already for why he should stay. But I think Bam is not going anywhere. But I think Bam, hero and Caleb with a contract situation. Those are the three guys who I think have the most, they have the most to gain or lose in this series. Excuse me in this series. I'm with you there. And I think something that could kind of factor into this conversation as well with Caleb is Delaun, who we haven't even really mentioned here much who was, by the way, awesome last night and has continued to show stuff pretty much every time he's played for the heat, in my opinion. I think he's one of those guys where like we saw Caleb didn't close the other night versus Philadelphia. Like let's say Delaun is having a particularly great game. We haven't seen him close much either. So I'm not saying this is going to happen. I'm just like kind of looking at different scenarios. If he's having a better booting game, which Caleb hasn't been as consistent as shooter as the past couple of seasons, you know, his first couple of seasons with the heat, I think Delaun, his defensive impact, you know, is kind of right there under Haywood. Like them together has just been menacing, man. A lot of times it's been in the zone, so it will be a little bit different if they're doing some man stuff. But of course, I'm going to trust those guys and men all day. Like that's, you might not have much spacing, but at that point, you're leaning into the defense and hoping that you can get enough offensive general, you know, shock offensive shock creation out of Tyler, Jaime, and Bam. And I think you just lean into, you know, your identity at this point. The more we talk about, we haven't even talked about Duncan. There was a bad one. I don't think we can. I don't think we want to get our hopes up about Duncan at this point. Just I sort of say, though, the more we talk about this, I'm glad you brought up like the late game stuff because like, that's my issue here. My issue isn't the fact that they're not it's not good. Like, can they get it to a tie game with two minutes left? It's what they're going to do when it is a tie game with two minutes left against the team. Right. In a close game in a playoff series against this team, I just, that's the part that I struggle with. And here's, here's the part, Brady, that's the scariest of that. Are they going to get the calls to note? I mean, look, who's getting the answer is no, right? I mean, I mean, I mean, you're a line other than bam, maybe, well, Kevin Love apparently is to still get the lead times, but I, but they, they are going to struggle to get to 10 free throws, I think. That is going to be a real problem without Jimmy. That is going to require hot. Look, hot kids has been leaning into some of those calls lately. So I think him bam has got to be aggressive. If that's case, we've talked very little about bam here, other than the defensive end, but on the offensive end, he has to make them work. He's got to make for Zinga's move his feet. If for Zinga's is going to be on him, he's got to get to the line, uh, we know that he's screening and spacing and being out of the way, I don't care about the three point shooting in this series where I am, I don't, I do not care about it. He's got to be aggressive and attacking. And Tyler has been getting to the line a little bit more often since he came back, but I'm not counting on that. I just, I, again, you're going into Boston with that crowd. We know the NBA's history with this kind of stuff. You were already compromised in that, in that scenario with Jimmy and now he wasn't getting calls in this last latter, third of the season. And now you're going up there without him. You've got Jason Tatum, who's still the 19 year old Wonder Boy, uh, I, that, that is what worries me here, a little bit for them. And I'm, so I think honestly, I think what we may be looking at is they do keep it close. At least one of those two games in Boston, but they have a deflating loss that he fans are complaining about. And then, you know, they're saying they should have got that one and we're saying they should have gotten their one or the reality is honestly with everything against them right now, they shouldn't get any of these. And I, so that is kind of where I'm at, where it's like, this is all gravy. It's not the season is not the season has to be discussed as a whole, how they were in the position to even play a play in game that Jimmy got hurt in. We will get into all of that. But right now where they're at, this is the biggest underdog in heat history, probably in a playoff series other than I guess when they went up against Chicago pre-Reilly when Jordan was there. I was going through it. Like I was, I was asking, Dave Hyde was asking me after the game. He's like, what was the biggest upset and playoff history for the heat? I'm like, well, they really haven't had one. It was last year, I guess, against Milwaukee. But other than that, I mean, they weren't, yeah, they were underdogs, but they were mild underdogs. I mean, they were, they were in the first, and there was such strange circumstances, but they were like one of the three best teams in the East prior to collapse, just prior to COVID. And you look at, they were one seed another year, but you go back to Wayne's years, okay, they were lost on the first round, both the years that he carried, you know, 2009, 2010. But they lost the first round, like they weren't huge underdogs. They were, you know, they were, they were, I think a four and a five seed those two years, if I recall correctly. But they don't, but they put Austin in 2010, that might have been comparable. Yeah, but they weren't, but Boston wasn't a one and the heat were in an eight. Like that, this is not, to me, like, and they didn't win the series. And he was asking, like, what's their biggest win as an underdog? I'm like, all right, well, 2004, Duane's rookie year, they beat New Orleans, they were actually the home team. They were, they were 42 and 40, but they were a four seed. And you look at, and the problem with the heat in the, so years was they were always the favorite with the exception of a series against Chicago and they just kept losing. They lost the Knicks three times as a favorite. So they really haven't been in this position. Yes, last year's run was unpredictable and surprising and all the rest of this. This is by far the biggest underdog they've been in a playoff series. And, you know, like I said, other than when I think pre-Reilly, when they got up against Jordan once, and he literally played golf the whole series and they swept them. So that's, that's where we're at. You got to go all the way back to prior to Riley and probably they were even bigger, bigger underhogs now. So we'll see what happens. We have another episode. 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