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Thank you, Liverpool, for doing that, ruining my morning. But no, all is forgiven. They never like to do things the easy way. They really don't. And it drives me insane sometimes, but I guess that's why we love them. - Well, that's it. I mean, we've never done, I can't ever remember a time where Liverpool have ever done easy, but at the same time, you go into, I mean, look, we're starting to start, start with the line-ups. And this was the biggest thing for me with the line-ups is Costas wasn't involved at all today. Come out that he picked up a knock and training. But, you know, the lineup came in and Kelleher Bradley, Kannate, Virgil, Robertson, Jones, Gravenberch, Sebastian, Darben Leiden in the line with Salah and Gackpo either side of him. Were you surprised at all that he went this strong? - Personally, no. I think if you listened to the slot prior to this game, he made the point several times, and rightfully so now that it turns out that this was not going to be an easy game. I think that, you know, in an ideal world, I'd love to rotate a few more players, but especially given what happened yesterday, like this was a must-win game. And I'm actually glad he went as strong as he went, you know? And that's not because of the way the game went. Even if we had blown them away today, I still would have been happy that he had gone strong because I think that it sets like the tone going forward. And I don't want to see a world where we take any Premier League team lightly because I think that's backfired on us before. - Yeah, I think Paul told Giovanni in the chat supporting Liverpool as slowly turning Ashley to the cans. Well, I've got, I don't, not after that. I mean, Reece Lee comes in at massive win. Absolutely is, you know? I mean, we'll get to it all in the, as we go through it, but the lineups came in, I was surprised. I was surprised he went with both Virgil and Conate. Other than that, I think the team kind of picks itself. You can tell that he wanted to rest with Callister after the long trip. And I think if he had the opportunity he'd arrested Darwin as well, but there just wasn't nobody else. You know, if he wanted to rest. He was a bit, I think, I think he would have trusted him all. - Yeah, if he wanted to rest Lucho, he would have, but, you know, it is what it is. There's four fit forwards available, three of the four have to play. And today it was Darwin, but, I mean, look, we'll get into the game. They dropped, they lined up on paper. It looked like 4-5-1, but I mean, nobody expected Downs to drop into playing as a third centre back from midfield. Something I think I saw someone doing it, I don't know if it was the last week or the week before, it might have been one of the international games that they, on the ball, one of the centre backs joined into midfield. And when they were off the ball, they'd drop back into centre back. It might have been the Ireland game, actually, the Ireland/England game. And you see in a few sides do it. That's why I thought Southampton were gonna do. When I seen Downs dropping back into a back five, I thought they've got to confuse themselves doing this. This isn't something they normally do. But we kind of dominate the first few minutes, dominate possession. But the first real talk before the column was a potential penalty shout for Southampton, where a Canadian was done by a bit of skill and hand on the back. And four of course, I can't remember the four of us saying that, but he went down as if someone had like, might hastened him. What did you think, when you saw it first? I mean, I think as the game went on, you saw that Southampton were going down under the slightest bit of contact throughout the game. I think that, you know, it's one of those where, I mean, obviously, if the ref gives it, then it's probably not a clear and obvious error. But it was so, it was such a soft little push. And I think back to the Chelsea game, for example, when Mo Sala went down in the box and they just waved it away like nothing happened, there was way more contact in the Chelsea penalty claim for Mo than there was in that. So for me, not a penalty, soft. I think he was looking for it. Paul, Paul Giovanni in the chat, it was Armstrong. It was anything but a strong arm from Ivar Canadian. So essentially before we come on, if someone walked up behind you in the street and pushed you like that and you fell over, I'd be asking, are you OK? And I wouldn't be saying, are you OK from the fall? Are you OK? You're really that soft. It was just a dive. You know, I did that they have any forward in the box when they feel any kind of contact, they go down. It's almost like a trained reaction to some of them. The problem is, if the ref gives it, VAR is no overturning it. So, you know, I mean, look, nothing came of it, but the other problem that came along. Yeah, it was a warning shop for them on the counter. I thought they played some high-risk stuff playing through the lines and sometimes it paid off where they isolated us in positions that, you know, they wanted to do, you know, they wanted to try to get through with three or four players up front and run with the ball and make something happen. So much so, look, Bradley got booked on 12 and Connecticut got booked on 16. So you've got two of your back four sat on bookings. You're away from home and, you know, we're not really troubling McCarthy too much. - Yeah. - I was worried at that point with the yellow cards, mostly because of the conditions, because I think that, you know, when you have water all over the pitch like that, you know, one well-timed tackle can quite easily become, you know, something that you didn't mean it to be. So I was worried about that. And the ref just loved a yellow card today. Like, there were a few, I think it was, I think it was one on, was it Gapbo later in the game where he barely touched him and it was a yellow card. So, yeah, I was a little bit worried about that. - Yeah, I mean, I think it was a real talk that Kennedy was in ropey mode today. - Yeah, he did look ropey. - He wasn't the only one throughout that first half. And it's something we said when we were doing the postman show and it was my biggest fear about today's game is that we turned up, turned up entitled that, you know, we expect a side like Southampton to just roll over because Liverpool are in town, they're bottom of the league, they don't score many and they give up loads, you know? So, we turned up completely with the wrong attitudes for me in the first half, especially. Right the way through the half, sloppy passing, poor decisions, even when so many chances that we created, there was one chance that a cross came over from Mo and he took it down and just instantly shot it. It was just one of them, it was a bad angle. The keeper was always gonna save it. And like against Man City, you're looking to cut that back for someone in a better position than you are, you know? And it was a lot of that meandering along, waiting for something else to come. And, you know, eventually the pressure told because half on 30 minutes, you know, the goal came from our pressure and their insistent belief on you have to play out from the back at all costs, irrespective of whether your keeper is good with his feet or not. But, I mean, what did you make of this one? Because I watched it again at halftime and for the life of me, they were under pressure for about three or four minutes and it was constant, it was a real barrage. And, you know, while we didn't really trouble McCarthy too much, they couldn't get out. And for me, I just think, I don't know what was going through McCarthy's head, I really don't. - I mean, I think they lead the league in defensive errors leading to shots. I think they have 16 that have led to shots. Seven of those defensive errors have led to goals. And that's by far, in a way, some distance, you know, ahead of the rest of the league. So I think it's something that it's clearly, it's an issue, but I don't know why they're not fixing it. They've decided that that's the Southampton way. I mean, I think the mistake initially comes from McCarthy. He's the one that rolls it out, which was just a horrible pass to, I think it was Fernandez. - Fernandez. - There was some great pressure there from us, from Jones, you know, which then kind of led to downs, kicking it to Saab's life and Saab's life finishing, very astutely. It was a great finish right off the bar or right off the post, rather. So I'm glad we capitalized on it, but it was, it was them initially giving us that on a silver platter. It felt, you know, a little bit reminiscent of us in our kind of worst periods last year where we were gifting goals. And that felt like a gift. - Yeah, I mean, it was a lovely finish. As someone said, mentioned that I can't find it now, but someone put it up in the chat earlier on, it was a notch alarm finish. When you see that one from behind, you just rolled it out, took him and he's left for in after post. And, you know, one nil. It was like, okay, getting the first goal today felt like it was going to be huge. And I just thought, okay, manage it from here now. Put your foot in the ball. They'll try and come out. They'll try and come out and do something. And it just, it was more of the same. It just felt like it was meandering along. And so it was, I mean, two minutes later, after the kickoff, two minutes later, big save from Kelleher, from Downs. - That was a great save down low. He did really well there. - You know, but that just goes to show how, for me, was like, we hadn't woken, you know, we got the lead. And it was like, okay, everyone's just like, big sigh of relief. We'll just stroll on from here and walk away comfortably. Southampton had other ideas, you know. On 35, the lander goes off with a hamstring injury. But before that, there was a challenge that went in. I think it was on- - It was on Gravenberg, I believe. - On Gravenberg. When you saw it first, what did you think? - I think it's another one of those. It's the refit. Seen that and given it as a red, I don't think it would have been called back. I didn't think it was a red, like in real time, the first time I saw it. I think it's one of those where you, if you see the different angles, you see how it kind of raked down the back of the Achilles. I thought it was a pretty bad tackle. But yeah, I think it's one of those, could have gone either way, definitely an orange card if there was one. - I'd be honest, when I saw it back at half time, I was, I sort of said it to Chris during the game. I didn't think it was at the time. And mainly I didn't think it was at the time because of the reaction of the other players around him. And it was something that Karagor said during the commentary, it kind of made it, well, it's the latter, you know, a lot of Murray's teammates, and they didn't want to make a big issue of it. But when I saw it at half time, I was like, you're not looking at the ball, you're nowhere near the ball, you've hit him on the ankle of his back foot with his studs up. I don't know what more of a definition of a red card it could have been. - I just- - Yesterday, was it the Chelsea game? I don't remember off the top of my head. There was one that was almost identical yesterday and it wasn't given as a red either. So I don't know if that's, I don't know if that's- - I think it, yeah, I think it's becoming, they're becoming a lot more lenient on it this season. More stuff. Last season, the season before, anything in or around the ankles was you were getting red cards. You were seeing a lot of red cards for those type of challenges. This season, it seems like it's not so much. Whether they're going back to the idea of we need, you know, there needs to be physical contact in the game and they're trying to take it as, well, he made a genuine effort to play the ball. I don't think there is, but I think Lelana probably knew. I think he knew straight away because he was straight in to make sure the player was okay. So he knew he caught him and he knew he caught him in a bad area and so that we were very lucky at that. - I think that's one of those though that like, I don't think Lelana would have deliberately gone in to try to injure one of our players. So there does show that there's, you know, there's instances where it's not necessarily malicious, but it might be poorly timed. And again, I don't know whether it had something to do with that, but I do think that if it had been given as a red, I think it would have been deserved. But yeah, it's one of those. - Yeah, I don't think there was any argument about it, but look, I mean, Salant to make the change, Joe Arabio comes on and, you know, look, the next talking point, really, you're talking the penalty, you know? I mean, Virgil goes on a wonder and Virgil van Dyke is no Joel Matip. He gets to the halfway line and has a complete brain fart. It's like, what am I doing here? I don't know what to do. He tries to back heal it. And I guess the ball runs at Robertson, shows him enough of the ball to draw the challenge, knocks it past him. And this is where I think we've got different clubbing trees and we've got different camp, we might have different hammer angles too. - Perhaps. - First instance, for me, when I saw it, that looks right. It was a fine. - It was right, and yes, it's a pain. - No, it's a pain. Yeah, it just looked right. It looked right on the line and the line belongs to the panel. - It looked that way on my side. - Okay, tell me how you saw it and how you see it still. - So, at least the angles that I was shown in the US broadcast, the contact that was made on dibbling, for me was clearly outside of the box. Like where dibbling's foot was, was a good chunk away from the line. I think the only argument, and I don't know exactly how the letter of the law is written, the only thing that might sway it toward a penalty is Robertson's boot was like grazing the line. But for me, the actual foul itself happened outside of the box. Like where dibbling made contact with Robertson on the tip of Robertson's boot was on the outside of the box. And the commentary I got was, there was no definitive angle that showed that the action stopped outside of the box. They said that the action potentially continued into the box, but they didn't have an angle of that, so they had to stick with the on-field decision, which was a penalty. So, yeah, from my viewpoint, I would say no, but I do understand why it was given. - Okay, well, Sam Tandy here is, if you see the camera angle from behind, it was clearly just outside the box because you could see where the contact was. The side angle doesn't show where the contact was made. The problem, I think, comes when the referee's given it. The line belongs to the penalty box. So, any part of Robertson's foot is on the line while he's making the tackle, the tackle is in the circle. - But how does that work? Like, so, let's say, for example. - Yeah. - In a different scenario. Let's say that it was one foot outside of the box, but Robertson's left foot was like trailing back behind him, and that was in the box. Like, surely it has to do with where the offensive player's foot is. Not where the defensive player's foot is. - It's catch 22 because where you are with this one, there's no clear angle to say that it was definitely conclusively outside the box with Robertson being outside the box. And Robertson made himself so small as well. It's one of them. It's like, if anyone had watched it, the LFC women's game last week, I'm sure most people could have sneaked. - That was so much worse. - That was horrific. This one is like, look, it's a line call. And I think you could spend five minutes looking at it but I don't think you're gonna find anything that says, yes, that's 100% definitely outside the box because there's enough doubt there with various camera angles. And the fact that, I mean, we're straight away from it because ultimately, for me, Robertson has hung out to dry. It was a good bit of skill for him to get the run on him. But what was Virgil thinking? I mean, it was like, at about a minute before, Canadian caught it. And it was contagious then. Then Virgil caught it. And it's like, you're both having brain farts. You're one day low and you're giving the chances of, what the, you know, what's going on? Where it needed someone to put their foot in the ball and zed it if you were in any doubt at all. They just decided to try to match Southampton with what Southampton we're doing. We're playing out from the back of all class. And it literally just, you know, the game didn't turn on it, but you're giving Southampton something to defend again. You know, they score it. Kaller was really unlucky. You know, it was really unlucky. I mean, he did a great job stopping me, original pen. I mean, it just, I don't really like that rule. I don't know. I feel like if you save a pen, that should be, you know, congratulations, you saved the pen. (laughs) I don't know, I feel like you did all the hard work and then you have to get up and do it all over again. - Yeah. - But, you know, I mean, he saved it the problem. I think the thing is, 'cause it comes straight back, you know, it's hard for someone to get in to get a tackle. A yard either way, and he probably saves it. And the thing is, the second shot goes through him, goes through his legs. - He almost, he almost blocked the second shot. So, you know. - It was so unlucky. - He didn't have a bad game killer all day. It was just, I don't think he could do anything about that one. We'll get to the second one later, and to be honest, he couldn't do anything about that either. But, I mean, you're going on. Yeah, his gakpo had, I've just got this written down. Gakpo missed. McCarthy saw, just giving the ball away again. That was literally about a minute later. Wasn't it? 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With Shopify, you'll harness the same intuitive features, trusted apps and powerful analytics used by the world's leading brands. Sign up today for your $1 per month trial period at Shopify.com/tech. I'll lowercase. That's Shopify.com/tech. - Gakpok got the ball, or McCarthy gives the ball up. And Gakpok nicked it. And he had to come back onto his right foot and he flopped it. So it was really getting frustrating. - It felt rushed. - Yeah, it felt rushed. I think there were points. There were points last season where it felt like this, where the team was just pushing and pushing, but the actual final piece of the jigsaw was missing. And it felt a little bit reminiscent of that. I think it's our CTV in the chat, just put, I hate the internationals because we're mentally off of it right after when we come back. And you've been traveling, there's jet lag involved. There's players that have been listening to different coaches. And the team looked disjointed in the beginning. And it seems like what slot has built is that patience. But in order to have patience, like you kind of all have to be on the same wavelength. And it did not look like we were on the same wavelength for the first 45-ish minutes of that game. Like it felt very discordant. - Yeah, I mean, Dan makes a point there. He thinks Capo could have just passed that into the net for a second. Yeah, I think so too. He should have passed it, could have passed it into near post. But you get to halftime. How are you feeling a halftime? 'Cause I was fuming watching it. - Yeah, I was annoyed. - Because I knew that we were coming on here. And I'm like, this is not gonna be- - I know, it's just us too. And I'm like, I don't wanna just like have a- - Yeah, I can just- - I have a grumpy cab marathon, but- - No, I can't just batter Chris for like an hour and 10 minutes as usual. It's like, shit, damn, did we- - We just never. - But it's like, we just can't, we just didn't look like anything, like resembling the side capable of building anything because all of the chances that we had in the first half were chances that they gifted us, you know, we wanna back high up after our mistakes. We didn't really create anything ourselves, you know? I mean, it's a growing frustration with, you know, watching what slot is telling Robertson to do. And it's, and it does have a crisis as well. So I mean, Robertson will get a bit of stick today for it. But is telling his left backs to talk inside in the final third, rather than overlap and allow your attacker to come inside and be the threat. Can you, have you any idea why that would be? - I cannot get my head around why you would want your left back as an inside left striker in a final third. I don't get it. - I mean, I don't know if he's worked in the past with, I mean, are, whether it's Robertson or Alexander Arnold or even if it's Simicast and Bradley, I mean, I feel like they have this ability to get the ball across into a dangerous area. And I don't know if maybe he hasn't worked with players that have that ability to do that from out wide. You know, I think, I don't know. I mean, there's clearly a tactical plan there. I am not in Scott's head. I mean, there were a few times earlier this year where that was really working between Robertson and Gackbo or Robertson and Diaz, where there was that overload in the box and it was like really confusing some of the opposition defenders. So there are times when it works. But I think the issue that we have is that our pullbacks don't score. Like Robertson is not going to score from that position. So that's why it looks kind of silly because he's been in a lot of really great scoring opportunities. And, you know, it's maybe like a one-on-one chance that he's going to get it in the, like in the actual net. - It drives me absolutely mental watching the game, right? Especially when you're watching a us playing against the side playing five at the back. Because if you're playing against any side with five at the back, four across the middle. And it was almost like two banks of five for large parts of that first half. You have to stretch it wide. Most of that was anonymous in the first half. - Yes, he was. - Couldn't get involved. And it wasn't the case that he couldn't get involved. We couldn't get the ball to him. - We were servicing him at all. - Yeah. - I thought Darwin Nunes was absolutely atrocious. Again, couldn't get the ball into him. - Pressure was better. Like, I think that was the stronger part of his game was coming back and adding pressure, but. - Yeah, but you need more. - I'm waiting on him, and I'm kind of losing patience. Like, I don't know. Again, I don't know what he's being instructed to do, but I feel like we don't see him shooting anymore. - Yeah, I mean, Chris is right there. The front three fed off scraps. But when you're trying to work through the middle and you've got virtually two banks of five, but a bank of five and a bank of four who are not moving, you're not doing anything to move them out the way, then your only other option is to put the ball wide and put crosses in the box. And when you're not doing that, you're standing still and you get it first half, like we got today. You know, it was literally just, it was impotent. You know, it was, they got a goal up a gift. We got a goal up a gift. And second half, I was, were you surprised there was no changes at half time? - Mm, no, I wasn't. I don't think it was bad enough. Like, well, I think in a different world where we didn't have the games coming up that we do, maybe he would have made changes. But I think that, you know, a couple of those players, whether it was in the Callister or Diaz, I think he's trying to save them and keep them primed for the two games that we have coming up. And I think that it was like a needs must to bring them on toward the end of the game. But I think he was probably trying to hold off on doing that. I think there was a big jump in performance when they came on now. - Oh, massively, massively. We'll definitely get to that. But one thing that we have to, two things we have to mention, which give me one second. Football prizes. The new football prizes offer is two pounds 95. The link is in the description. It's also on all of our social media accounts. It's assigned 2005 Champions League program, signed by all the squad. There's also some like 19 spot prices in there as well. So look, if you're going to give it a go, that great stocking for this. If you're going to give it a go, give it a go, two pound 95, if you do, and you get something, let us know. We'd love to know, we'd love to be able to shout your name out if you do go for it and you do get a win out of it. - There are winners, this is-- - There definitely are. - That one, that is from them. - Yeah, 100% there are winners. But the other one as well is, as you can see along the bottom of the screen, it's that time of year now where times are definitely getting out of the weather is turning crap. And I know the Lighthouse Cafe in Dublin do an awful lot of work with the homeless in Dublin and they do need funds to help them to be able to stay open for longer and to be able to provide more services of people who are finding the top of the minute. And fan supporting food banks, a joint Liverpool and Everton group really, which you've all seen if you've been to the ground where people will just, you can donate money, you can donate shopping, whatever. But if you can donate to us, we can make sure that we can get funds to them so they'll be able to provide the services that they're carrying on to providing, especially at this time of year when things are absolutely horrid outside. So any help you can give us would be absolutely fantastic. - Right, into the second half and no subs. First note I got is Gakpah's book for a follow-on on your chew. I thought he was good. - Yeah. - He was just, sorry, he's a unit. - Well, there was one where he just kept the ball and like he looked so press resistant. Like he ran through like our entire midfield. It didn't really come to anything in the end, but yeah. - I mean, I know he's Nigerian, but that was very no-on-coque canoe. It used to be an arsenal. Canoe with the ball at his feet used to be kind of like that, seriously skillful. I didn't think he had that in him, but... - A little no look pass at the end, just like it was like completely unnecessary, but it was green. - Totally unnecessary, I love that. Well, I mean, it was another soft booking, but I mean, preventing a counter attack, you're always gonna get those kind of fouls. And, you know, we have a corner and 55. And from there, they did to us what we've done to loads of sites over the years. - Like villa. - Yeah. - Because they broke villa on that corner. - Yeah, they broke on us like we break on more sites. And we had opportunities to deal with it. The worst part about it. - I had the biggest opportunity there. Like when they were out on the line, I just wanted him to take him out. - Yeah, but even from there, you shouldn't, even if that, if he gets beat there, you still got three players in the box to deal with it, you know? And for me, the biggest problem of that goal, three players went to the ball. And nobody thought the guy who's on the penalty spot on his own might be a little bit of a problem here. - Yeah, it looked really foolish. - Like if it was an under 11's game on a Saturday, you'd be screaming at him. But it was, for me, it was pure panic, pure total panic that didn't do the situation in the game. It was one one. We weren't playing well, you know? It was clear as day we weren't playing well. And the three of them just looked into the ball and was a lovely pass back. And it was a lovely finish. Kind of had absolutely no chance. It was tucked into the corner. - And... - That's his first goal in the Premier League for Fernandez. And he, you know, speaking of panic stations, the way that we looked, he did not panic. He looked cool as a cucumber and just passed it into the net. And I was like, I don't know, looking back at the replay, we just looked like idiots. - Yeah, it was. It was ridiculous. It was such a stupid goal to give up. But, you know, you're two, one down then. And I'm like, where in the hell is this goal gonna come from? Because, I mean, Matt was saying in our group chat, as I said to him on 73 minutes, they're killing the game here, you know? They're staying down, they're going down when they're not. So they were doing this from 1-1. I hadn't noticed really, but they were. You know, and you can't, they aim them for that. But there was another 50/50 shout for a penalty on the hour actually, where Armstrong and the Keeper collided. And I don't think it's a pen, but at the same time, it's clumsy. - Yeah, it looked like another panic station moment. I mean, I think we got fortunate with that call. You know, I think that, you know, Kelleher was coming out for the ball and it was sort of like a natural collision. - Yeah. - But yeah, it didn't look good. That was, I think our, that was my big takeaway from like the first 60 to 75 minutes of the game is just how, like, you know, we talked about Ibu looking ropey. I think our entire back line looks ropey. Like it just, it did not look like our normal, like solid force of a wall, like that we normally have. So yeah, that was not great. - Yeah, listen, Derek, thank you very much for the Super Chat. Really, really appreciate it. If you throw a comment in there, we'll make sure, or if you have any comment to make on the game today, make sure you throw it in. We'll bring it up, we'll discuss it for sure, 100%. Thank you very much for that. And it just goes on a couple of minutes later. Salah, one touch, gravisist, McCarthy sold himself and we're back in it, you know, it was like, that was on 64 minutes, it seemed to, you know, it was-- - It seems like it happened in slow motion. - Yeah. - You know, like, everyone thought it was offside except for Mosela and Mosela doing the Mosela things where he can sniff out an opportunity that no one else does. I mean, McCarthy should not have been coming off of his line like that. He left that space wide open, but like, I thank God for Mosela. Like, I think God, because I, like, the nerves were jangling for real at that point. - Yeah, it was, I mean, look, the ball to find him was outstanding, first and foremost, because the ball is nothing more than a ball into space. Something for, in behind the pullback, something for Salah to run onto. And the ball had enough height hence McCarthy into thinking he could get there. And if Salah takes a touch, I think McCarthy does get there. But the fact that he one touches it and he follows it as like, I don't know if he was trying to put that across, I definitely don't think he's going for, he's going for gold there. I think he's looking to slide that across maybe to Darwin or to Gapo coming in on the far coast. But the fact that he follows it all the way in, it's just absolutely ridiculous finish. You know, and again, it's two too. Like, this is supposed to be an easy game against bottom of the league. - I didn't think it would be so exciting, that's for sure. - Yeah, but I mean, look, the truth is, we were absolutely cocked today. We were crap. - It was not our best game. - No, I mean, Chris said there, McCarthy for Salah's goal was a proper brain fart moment, very clever by Salah, who is still very quick. And I think that's the thing, the height on the boat and the pace of the pass, the season McCarthy into thinking he can get there and Salah's pace and speed and the, you know, the touch. 'Cause it just took him out of the game completely. Similar to, do you know how you remind me of actually Nick Pope doing something similar to that? It's not his game, so don't try to do it. You don't expect your goalkeeper to be in that part of the box. It was just, I think it was a bit of a look. It was a bit of a look that we needed, but it was still so well taken. And, you know, it's like, I do not, the game to be changed completely and our ability to play it in it and how we played was on the subs. You know, we made the changes. I think it was Jones went off for McAllister. And surprisingly, Gacko went off for DS, but it was like, you have to take someone off. So, are you honestly-- I was surprised that Nunez didn't go off because I do think he was less effective. I thought Gacko was having a better time, but it was, you know, sort of picking from a bad bunch at that point. But I think there was such a market change with those sets. I mean, they brought the energy that we were lacking. And I mean, there was a point where, I think I texted you where I said, you know, I'm all for the spot patience game, but I think we need to inject some urgency now. Like the clock was starting to tick down and I'm like, you know, we can only be patient for so long, like we're gonna run out of time. And it did feel like that was the catalyst for, you know, turning the dial up. Yeah, it was like, I expected, I almost expected, given the context of the game and what we needed to do in the game, I thought he might go 4-4-2. I thought he might just bring Diaz on, play him through the middle of a Darwin, sacrifice a midfielder, maybe bring Joe Gomez on to make us a little bit more solid at the back. But he sucked through his guns. He made the changes he made. And Diaz seemed instantly, seems to be a live where, you know, it's, it was a he had a header from a Robocross, then it just seemed to be wave after wave after wave of livable pressure. That was, that Southampton were having to soak up. They did nothing basically for the bonds of about 12, 13 minutes, where they couldn't get out. We suffocated the main. And I just expect, from that stage it was a case, I expected someone to put their hand up and do something, because I, I honestly just felt we were going to score from there. How were you feeling with it? It was 2-2, 20 minutes to go. Were you kind of like, it's gone, we're going to get this, or were you a bit nervous? Like, we're going to all recommend and we're going to get caught. Where, which camp were you in? I mean, the minute the solid goal went in, my mood increased tremendously. The second one, not the third one. The minute the second one went in, I felt like, okay, at least there's a little bit of momentum to build off of. And then once we saw McAllister and Diaz come on and have that impact, you know, I felt like it was coming. I didn't think it was going to be like a total crumble job, because they had been defending quite well, actually. But I think we were just starting, it felt, it started to feel more purposeful and less of that kind of discordance that we were talking about in the first half. Like, this felt like we had a plan and that we were finally clicking in a way that we weren't. So I was, I was quietly optimistic. I mean, it's still Southampton at the end of the day. I mean, it's a place that we should be going. And I did have faith that we were going to finish the game with the win, but I've got to be hard work. (both laughing) It's so not necessary. I know, but it, you get those games. You always get those games in Premier League. You'll always get them generally after international breaks. And I honestly believe this. I don't think there is, and there is easy away games in this league, you know? I don't think there is either, especially, you know, and I think that's why it was so important that, you know, it was a strong starting 11 because I think that Scott made that mistake before with Forest where, you know, he like, granted it wasn't because it was a week 11. But I think he came out after that game saying, you know, oh, well, like, it was a lower half of the, the Premier League team. And, you know, I'm surprised at the, at the quality that was on show. And, you know, I think he learned his lesson there. I think that Forest continues to live rent-free in his head. And I don't think he wanted to have that happen again. So, you know, it was actually like a good marker in kind of like learning from that. Because I think, you know, we saw in that game him kind of panic and go to three at the back and try some weird stuff that really didn't work. And I think this was actually a really interesting kind of evolution of Scott to notice like, well, he didn't really change up the formation. Like he trusted the guys that he had. He kept the substitutions quite simple. And he kind of kept with the plan and trusted the guys to eventually pull through. So I don't know, that was just, it was just an interesting change because it could have been quite similar for like, today could have felt like the Forest game. - Yeah, I mean, look, ultimately the winning goal came from a penalty. Walk him in the box. Sugahara, okay, Sugahara or Sugahwama just come on. He'd not long been on the pitch. He's not, he isn't a right back by trade, but I think the fact that Lewis Diaz was there, panicked them. It was pure panic mode. And it just looked humble all day long every day of the week. - I mean, it definitely bounced up in an awkward way, but there was like a hand-to-ball action there that I think was, that was his undoing. Like it was out away from the body, like. - That's it, it's just one of them. - Yeah. - It's just one of them. It's probably a reaction from his, it's a normal reaction, isn't it? You know, it balls up there. It's like, get away from me. - Yeah, I mean, there was momentum and everything, and sometimes it just happens. Like, sometimes it doesn't need to be, you know, I'm stopping the ball from going into the net. Sometimes there's just contact and your arms out, and you just have to know pun intended, but kind of pun intended, hold your hands up and say, you know, I fucked up, so that's what happened. - Yeah, exactly, and I mean, Salah steps up and he talks it away. I'd tell you what, that was closer than what it looked. 'Cause from behind, McCarthy gets close to that. He goes the right way, but Salah would pace and the height on the ball, sluts it in. Three one, sorry, three two, and you're like, okay, there's nine minutes plus injury time to go. Just see this, not just see this out. See this out is wrong, because that is a signal voice that you're just gonna sit back, park the bus, and lump it as much as possible. And we didn't, we. - Did you know Nationwide is so much more than a great insurance company? They're one of America's largest financial services companies. Like how I'm more than just quarterback Peyton Manning, I'm also meditate manning. - Oh my God. For your insurance and financial needs, Nationwide is on your side. (gentle music) Nationwide Investment Services Corporation and Brifendra Columbus, Ohio. (whistling) - Hey, it's Kaylee Cuoco for Priceline. Ready to go to your happy place for a happy price? Well, why didn't you say so? Just download the Priceline app right now and save up to 60% on hotels. So whether it's Cousin Kevin's Kazoo concert in Kansas City, go Kevin or Becky's Bachelorette Bastion Bermuda. You never have to miss a trip ever again. So download the Priceline app today. Your savings are waiting. 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I meant to say actually about Salah's celebration, shirt off booked. You don't see the shirt off Salah's celebration too often. - Unless it's meaningful. - Exactly. The players know. - The players know. - Players know. - The one thing I wanted to touch on with Salah, because he did that interview over the break where, you know, he talked about staying in the game when he didn't have a good performance. And this felt like a pure example of that, because for the first 45 minutes, he was anonymous as anonymous can be. And the fact that he was able to stay in the game and then see that opportunity where he got the first goal, which pretty much nobody else saw, and then continued that pressure and really just used it, used that momentum. It was so intelligent and it really just speaks to his mentality as a player. And that's what you want. You want someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck, because we desperately needed that today. And today that was Mo Salah. So credit was for him to do. - It's almost like he's world class. I mean, who now would think he's not world class? - And it's almost like he's playing for a new contract, you know, and there's, he's turning that dial way, way up. - Oh God, there's a conversation. I mean, look, there's enough gossip out there about contracts and what have you. I listened to someone on a pod doing a good analysis on all of the contracts, actually. And the point that the guy came across with, and I thought it was a really valid one, you're not giving Mo Salah or Virgil van Dyke a pay rise. But if you believe they can maintain the levels that they're on, you'll maintain their pay and probably give them more incentivized bonuses. Say to them, look, if you think you can carry on doing what you're doing, we will pay you more if you do it, no problem whatsoever. But I think it's in the back of FSG's mind. I think Fabinho scared the shit out of him. - Rightfully so. And I think, you know, I also think that there's not, there's a few more players on that list that have left recently that have fallen off cliffs. - Yeah. - But Fabinho fell off a cliff on our watch and we saw it happen. And I don't think anyone saw it coming. - I think the only thing with Fabinho that I can kind of point to is just the way that I think we mismanaged him in terms of using him as a six, using him as a center back, not getting the proper cover in those seasons when we knew that it was taking a risk. - Yeah. - And I think ultimately that was telling. I think when it comes to whether it's Virgil, whether it's Mo, it was specifically those two, I think it's about how you manage them going forward and also about how they manage themselves. I think they set themselves apart in the way that they manage themselves just from a purely professional level. And I do think that was a really good point in that podcast. I definitely listened to the same one where they were talking about the money on the table isn't, it's not about what they did in the past. It's what they're going to do in the future. And you're paying for them at the ages that they're going to be. And are you going to be paying Mo Salah more money as he gets older? I don't know. And they did say that heavily, like having it be heavily incentivized makes a lot of sense. And you can increase the incentive so that if he continues to perform the way he is, he will get paid more. But you do at some point have to take into consideration the fact that they're getting older. But that does not mean that I don't think that he should sign. I think he should absolutely be offered a new deal. - Oh. - It's 100%. - 100%. I would be signing both of them tomorrow. No problem. The match makes voice there. The signs were there for being here. There's no sign of verge and more. I don't think that, not for me. For me, I did not see for being here going off a cliff like he did. I mean, you could see the dips in his performances were there. You know, he was sad. He wasn't as quick as he was. Sure. But I honestly thought it was just a blip. He needed a rest. He needed someone to come in and help him a bit. I did not see this. And I didn't see it with Jeannie. I knew Jeannie had ran. We'd ran him into the ground before he left. Henderson fell off a cliff big time. But I don't think you can afford it. The wages that these guys have got to command over the next two, three years, potentially three years. I don't think you can have them fall off that proverbial cliff on our watch. You have to be very careful and get these decisions right. Seeing all of that, I agree with what someone said earlier on, they look after themselves so well that they give you no reason to doubt that that won't continue. So I would absolutely sign them. But it's a conversation that's going to come back over this next, probably next summer and the summer after. We have to start planning for life without Verdes van Dyke and without more Salah in the coming years. So whether that's from within the squad or whether we have to go into the market and sign looking at players to bring in, that's something that's going to have to happen there and learn, but please God. - I mean, that would make these conversations a lot easier if we had already had those claims in the team. And I think that that's kind of the other side of this conversation that, you know, not only did we fail in forward planning in tying them down to contracts, but we also failed in forward planning, having the correct players in the team to back them up should they not sign the contract. So we really dropped the ball on both counts here. - That makes a great point there actually. Even if they fall off a cliff, the Saudis will still give good money. We got 40 million back from Romania, yeah. Fair point, fair point. I mean, look, I'm not saying for a second that I wouldn't sign either. I would. I absolutely 100% would. I'd say in all three. And I wouldn't even think that I wouldn't lose any sleep in doing it. It's not my money for. But it's, and go back to, I understand from the players' point of view, why they've waited as long as they've waited, because I think the second the clock made his announcement, if I'm a player or a player is representative, I'm not talking to Liverpool about my player at all until I see who comes in, what that manager's like. Does that manager style suit my player? Who's my player I want to play for this manager? And does that manager want this player? So- - Especially as kind of their last big contract for both these two players that we're talking about. I mean, Trent is a whole- - 100%. - So we'll just park him to the side. - Yeah. - You know, but yeah, for these two guys, I mean, this is like their final hurrah. And I don't blame them for wanting to make sure that, you know, the boat that they're signing up to be on is a good one. - But I'm fully of the belief that they'll see the progress that the squad is making. They'll be told the caliber of players that they're, that we're looking to bring in. - Yeah. - And they'll look at it and think, yeah, if I stay here, we can win more. You know, it's not all about this season. Yeah, for the next two, three years, we can go on and we can do something here. If they believe that, they'll stay. And if we see them signing, what a boost for us. That's gonna be, you know, as fans looking on. - I think that could be very strategic, actually. I mean, granted, we are like doing real well right now. I can only imagine the boosts that would come into the stadium hearing about a contract extension. You know, and I think that there's a little part of me that just thinks the media team might be waiting to drop, you know, one of the two of them, you know, when they feel the time is right. - Hopefully, hopefully, I mean, look, get back to today's game. - I want the Virgil shirt next to the Christmas tree. There's the wide open, you know, the top of the fair. - That would be awesome. - We do the Virgil Christmas tree. - Yeah, that would be actually awesome to be fair. Look, go back to today's game. Look, we finished the game out. Salah hit the post as well, later on, 87 minutes. It was desperate for the hat trick, wouldn't he? - He was desperate for that. - So, because he was in my FPL. - Well, I'm not changing my FPL team one jot because I have got early-gallon captain up front and he is not doing a damn thing, and I'm not tempting fate. I'm just one of those kind of people weird like that. But last change to come on was Darwin from Ferendo, eight minutes of added time, which I thought was a bit, you know, eight minutes real. - It was a lot, but I mean, you did have, what was the player that went down with like minimal contact that said, "Stretcher, no stretcher, stretcher, no stretcher." - He should have been booked for that. - Yeah, that was annoying. - As soon as he stood up to walk out, to walk off the page, he should have been booked for time, wasn't it? - Yeah, that drove me insane. - Yeah, it's not so much the player. The physios were asking for the stretcher to come on. - Yeah. - And it's like, no, they're waiting for your man to go and get his top. That's all they were waiting for. - I would have, I would have been behind him, booked, get off the pitch. And apparently it won't-- - He was throwing yellow cards around for everything else. - Well, yeah, it's true, it's true, one of the-- - I don't think, was there any time wasting yellow cards? 'Cause there was a lot of time wasting. - No, no, no, no. I mean, he threw one at the Southampton bench for their coach, I think, when he thought that Jones had filed one of their players and we went on the counter. But other than that, no, it was mad. But, I mean, look, we finished at three, two. We're clear, eight points clear, and 11 goals clear of Man City as well. So, now that we can breathe and relax, how are you feeling about the weekend as a whole? And after witnessing that performance, how are you looking forward to the next few games? - I mean, first of all, I brought this in your honor. - Goodbye, mate. - 'Cause I thought that it was really important that we acknowledge the fact that Tottenham did something good yesterday. - Spurs didn't go all spursy. - They did something very good yesterday. So, credit, they are so Jekyll and Hyde, I have no idea what Spurs team is ever gonna show up. But thank you for showing up yesterday, 'cause that was amazing. I think it sets us up brilliantly. I think the good thing about today is that now with hindsight, we can say we got through it, and we got the cobwebs off, because there's always cobwebs when you come back from the international break. I would not have been wanting to play city even in their current iteration today, because they would have punished our mistakes much more than Southampton did. So, I do think it's important to get some sort of rhythm going. I think Madrid is the less important of the two games, as much as I'd love to get one over on them. I think right now I just wanna see them establish the rhythm and get back to the way they were playing pre-international break. - Well, I think Madrid are playing this evening early. I think they're kicking off. If not, in the next half an hour. It's very soon today, and they're away from home, but it's a game they should win. It'll probably be a blow off the cobwebs having a game for Madrid. City still got 22 shots or something like that yesterday. So, I know the score line says 4-0, and they were so easy to play through, and so easy to get at. I think that score line flatter spurs massively. - I don't think it's gonna be as clear-cut as that score line makes it look for us. I think that's still gonna be a very hard game. - Very. I mean, Vicaria made some really good saves. And on another day, city score two or three and get it back level before- - I mean, people had hit the post twice. - Yeah, so- - It was a marginal thing. - Yeah, anyone who thinks the man city are dead and buried and gone, and they're falling apart from it. - They'll have a way to prove too. You know, I mean, they just lost their home record. They got absolutely spanked by spurs, which is not something that you want to be doing. They're gonna want to come out and improve a point. So, and they know that this is, I mean, for us, it's not title-defining, but are title-defining, but for them, absolutely it. - Oh, absolutely it's for them. I mean- - Most choice, but to go hell for leather in that game. - One thing I'll say, right. 'Cause we'll wrap up soon. Well, people never, ever get this chance again to win five in the bands. - No. - In the Premier League era. - No, I don't know, I've managed your will in our history. - No, well, no manager in the Premier League era has ever won five titles in a row. They've won four. And credit, look, financial stuff aside. To keep a set of club motivated for that length of time is unreal. You know, it doesn't happen often. And we've seen it before. I think it was Jose Mourinho's Chelsea, where the wheels completely fell off when they were going for multiple back-to-back titles. And they've got a lot of players on the wrong side of 30 and a couple of iffy transfers that haven't kind of worked out. It's for them to come back and win five and all will be absolutely unbelievable, very doubtful. But look, there are some comments there from today's game. I'll just throw a few up. - There's not that many. - Well, this is true. - I've been talking, but there's also-- - Yeah, I know. There's just throw these up there. You read them. - Okay, so-- - You go-- - A couple of fun facts about Mosella. He has at least one goal involvement in each of his last six starts for Liverpool. - That's mental. Mental. - Arne's slot has equaled Carlo and Chilotti and Gus hit, I don't know how you pronounce his name. - Gus hitting. - Okay, is the fastest manager to reach 10 Premier League wins, which is in 12 games. Slot came out, he said the positives that we fought back, but it was only two times that they arrived in our 18-yard box. We dominated because of the score line, it felt like a difficult one, but we deserve to win. - Yeah, if you've got any more of ones there, 'cause I missed a little-- - I have a pretty long one for Mosella. I'm just sure it's too long to throw up. So Mosella was speaking to Sky Sports. He said, "They were very important, especially after being too one down. It's the most important thing to have won the game. Each game is different. They had a game plan and played very well. We managed to come back and win the game. I think we have a good game plan. We played our game and I was confident we would create chances. It's great. Hopefully we keep going in that direction. We have a game against them, so hopefully we win it and go 11 points clear. Man City is Man City. They've had a bad time now, but they have great players." - Yeah, I mean-- - He's not underestimating the minor, basically. - No. - I think the thing is, there's an awful lot of players in this squad who've never won a title for, not just never won a title, but never won a title for us. And for a lot of these players, it's their first time. - They all want to celebrate with the fans too. They don't want to win a title with the fans. They guarantee it. - Oh yeah, 100%. But today's win, today's game for me was the most important game of the season, given the results of the weekend. The fact that Chelsea and Arsenal ain't gone away. - No, they're not. - The fact that City lost five in a row now is unprecedented. It just doesn't, it's just out in the ordinary. And if you don't punish that, then you're only asking for trouble. And the fact that we did-- - But not gonna get like this kind of opportunity presented to you again. Like this is a rarity. They're having a blip. I expect them to go on their traditional run. - Well, breaking news. There is a fire alarm at Stockley Park, which means there is no VAR available for the Ipswich menu night at game at the moment. I'm not stating the obvious. There's some people in the chat who you all know who you are, making very, very naughty jokes about a certain referee who's suspended at the moment. I couldn't possibly repeat those. Not without getting sued. - But anyway, listen on that note, please hit the like button, subscribe if you're new to the channel. Leave a comment on who you would have had as your man of the match and why after the show, but actually who's your man of the match? - Hank, it's Masala. He changed the game. Like he's the one that puts the points on the board. So it's Masala for me. - Yeah, easy one for me as well. Masala, for an hour, wasn't really involved, but when the chips are down and the game needed to be won, he's the main man. He is world class. I don't give a shit what anyone says. And if you're trying, if you don't think he's world class by now, then maybe talking about and getting paid for your opinions on football is not for you. But on that note, listen, thanks Ashley. Enjoy that eventually in the end. Everyone else, you know, on vacation? We're still thinking it happened. - We make it work. Anyway, listen, thanks for everyone in the chat for your comments and being involved. It's been a great show. I really enjoyed it. And I'm glad to be back tonight from 10 o'clock. They'll go through the game, not as much detail as what we did, but they'll pick out our talking points and go through it again. So join Gavin, the boys from 10PM. Thanks. So Ashley, thanks to you all. And we'll see you again soon. Bye now. - Bye everyone. - This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. (crowd cheering) - Your child's first step is a big step towards their future. 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