Grace with Disruptor is proud of the two main words out used to describe Dis generated Briana Garza. She's an amazing shooting coach. She has been training players from all levels and We chopped it up on this interview to talk about her journey into becoming a coach and everything from her her Blue print on how she developed her shooting and her Backbone behind how she develops in her program is built and ultimately that program is going to be delivered to you all Do an app and she has the app coming out next week. It's in my first So we talked about her her life story to build up to this point to develop this app and be able to to be Disruptful. I mean, Grace with Disruptor for you guys so you got to get something new something different and change your shot in a way that you've never experienced before and And this is this is a fire interview. This is probably the longest interview But it's one of the best ones that I've been a part of and done so Do you guys stay tuned man? Like she she is an amazing coach the way she thinks about the game and talks about the game the way She talks about her development of the players not just as a player as a person too. So I'm gonna get out your way, man I'm excited about this when this is one of the favorite ones that I've done But without further ado get out the way now shooting coach Briana Garza shooters shoots Okay, let me give you a story. I think you'll enjoy this because you're a nerd about this like I am so a couple years ago I had this kid I was training and He could already shoot. He's like maybe third or fourth grade. He could really shoot for his age and His mom came to me was like he's been struggling with this shot lately. He's not as confident in someone and so forth and so Maybe like 30 minutes like we supposed to be training for about an hour So maybe like 30 minutes for the session. I'm talking to him kind of get his mind straight like hey You want to be a shooter, right? You can shoot the ball But it's like this hitting gym that you don't know about being shooting It's like the lifestyle of a shooter like you have to be more disciplined with your training and working out You have to be really like a jerk about the details about okay I have to make sure I'm doing this for my shot. Not so much to where you're fixated on the wrong thing But integrating about and fixate on the details that matter You have to come and prepare every day. You have to have this compass. I have to have this swagger about you It's a lifestyle being great shooter. It's after about 30 minutes of going into it's like hey So now from now on man, what did shooters do he kind of like what they know what the shooters do Like shoot a shoot, right? He's like yeah, shoot a shoot So I use that's like a guy post to say it's like you're driving down the lane And you kind of fall asleep and you kind of curving off the lanes on the a shooter shoot and you get back focused and get back on track Or when you're doing where I'm like hey shoot a shoot, right? It's gonna talk about man shoot a shoot So for me, that's kind of what that's kind of what it means of like shoot a shoot, but from you the sniper The queen herself. What does shoot a shoot mean to you? man That just made me smile so hard that I just teared up. I'm not even joking I shoot a shoot. I think as a brand it's The word I'm looking for is is I think it branches across different industries different meaning shooter shoot Could be something we say to anybody going after literally anything scary It could be The flexibility of it and the way that that phrase can resonate across confidence I think is what drew me to it. It obviously like shoot a shoot That's what you do is another thing I would always say to kids like we would say shooter shoot They would be like that's what you do that. This is what you do and so those two things are tied in together, but for me, it's Yeah, it's something that represents the entire energy Who I am how I carry myself as a leader and how I how I teach my kids to do the same just like just like you did Yeah, it's I knew it was layers to it because I feel like we're kin and how we see things and we talk about things So I knew it's more than just the corny Basketball thing it's like or I'm a shooting coach and I have to put shooting in there. So shoot a shoot Oh, that sounds cool enough. No, I knew it was layered to it So I had to hear for myself what those layers were But then also your Instagram name has a 70 on there Wow, good question. I 70% are better get you the green light If you're 70% or better your practice percentage is no defense then you can take whatever shot you want for me You want to tweet tweet and hezy, you know, whatever like triple size that if you can make that out of a round of 50 If you can make 35 of them Go ahead go on go on and do it So that's where the 70 comes from is 70% better gets you the green light to to shoot whatever you want shooting games You know, this is funny because I literally just like Part about an hour before we started recording. I was just posting how Back in the day shooting used to be earned But now shooting just to give like everybody has a green light like you because The way the game is now three point shooting matter so much You'll see kids just coming down to court and pooling versus back in the day if your name was not Ray Allen Reggie Miller Steve Kerr Rip Hamilton such and such like there's three people on the team that allowed to shoot if you're not doing three You're driving to the goal, but nowadays Everybody has a green lights and I think everybody's yeah, I think everybody's forced To have the grammy look at the self the Boston Celtics, you know, and their success. They've had it from three point line I mean, obviously Golden State right like and and the rise of analytics in the game and understanding how much more valuable this three point shot is When a mid-range gets you one last point for the about the same field goal percentage and so yeah, I think the then this new wave this new evolution of the game is demanding it of players and I mean shooting is the most important skill in basketball It can't nobody really do it. So, you know building a niche in in teaching people how to shoot at a really high level was like came from that understanding of where the game is moving and That there's not just one or two guys on the team that need to shoot now now Y'all gotta shoot jokeage stand up side yokeage stands outside shoots are like but my guy is some but built like a potato and Shoot shooting shooting three pointers because he has to so Yeah, that's um Something I love personally for my own game. It's like everybody's got to be able to shoot now. Here. We act. Yeah Well, I think there's a mix of it too where You have to be able to shoot and then you have to be able to actually like put the ball in the goal And that's where the gap is for me like just because you should shoot the ball Doesn't mean you should actually shoot the ball like shot that you can shoot. That's what my frustration comes in I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I think everybody could afford to become a shooter It's probably how I could have phrased that but because everybody's got every roster has room for one Yeah Okay, but last I want to get into like on the branding side for you. It's the logo What is that about? Wow Another really good question a lot of people don't know this But it's actually two symbols the the double-oh I'm having on my bracelet here. The double-oh is Actually two some two mathematical symbols for five turn sideways and and then They're connected there so five is representative of Balance of its goods the golden ratio is we see it in art We see have you you know that famous that famous painting of the wave I can't think of the artist name right now. It just left me but that follows the mathematical representation of five so it's We see it in nature if you I'm looking at these plants right now all of these plants in nature the branches The way the branches grow out of the main branch is at a five-angle away from one another In order to get the an equal amount of sunlight the golden ratio represents the perfect balance that everything needs for everything to live and survive and so My curriculum for shooting is based on the perfect balance between mind body power and accuracy and so if we can find the balance for each player Within all of that so you need all four things But the balance is gonna look different because all humans are different walk different we talked every we got different DNA move a little bit different And so how do we still achieve that balance of my body power and accuracy within each player? And so that's what the logo represents Oh Oh god, it's so funny. It's just you're you're you're smiling bad. I don't know. It just got me. Oh man No, because I'm a nerd and so when I hear people nerd out I love that because I think we're in a time where people are afraid to be nourished and it's not as cool to be nerdy And so I don't hear people nerd out. I'm like, I love it I'm like what is this thing? I don't know what it is. And so now I have the opportunity to ask you. I'm like, oh That took some thought so I'm like, all right, okay, you know, it's crazy too is Before I even came up with this brand I had a friend a really really gay friend of my name Sean And he and I were like peas in a pod your bartenders together at the local chilies in Decatur, Texas We were roommates at one point. We're still we're still friends. We just you know, we've grown up and had to be adults and But he and I actually got these tattoos together this five symbol because we both got obsessed with this sacred geometry and how where we see By everywhere you can see it I could go on forever. But anyway, so we got the symbol five tattooed on us And so I have this five simple tattooed in the middle of my chest and it didn't occur to me that That that was like Subconsciously where my logo came from until like after the fact and so It was like this cool Like I I made the mind by power actually the balance like I made those intentionally, but forgot That I had this whole This tattooed in the middle of my chest this entire time and it like I didn't connect the two I was just drawn to the to creating this for that reason and so like I remember I was like Was living in Texas at the time or Arizona rather at the time when I when I came up with the idea for the brand and so My roommate and I may see at the time We were going to the pool and it changes with my swimsuit and then I saw my tattoo and I was like oh My god, you guys She's worked out like and I just read the book the alchemist have you read the alchemist before? Oh, yeah, I read it. Yeah, I just read that so I was like it's a sign and omen. Look at all the omens happening around me And uh, yeah, so thank you for asking that question. I hadn't even I'm kind of about that forever Man, okay, so okay, I can write out which I like these I really like it. Yeah, yeah So you said balance Is between the body the mind Accuracy and what else? Mind body power and accuracy Mind body power and accuracy So when you're taking players to the curriculum What do you start with? So This might be an annoying answer, but it really just depends like if I'm so are you meaning Like if I'm working one-on-one with a player if I'm working with an individual player or if I'm thinking like if I'm designing for you know In general, let's go individual play. So you have a player in front of you now What are you starting with? So first thing I would have a player do is I'll just shoot in front of me like go ahead and warm up do whatever you would want to do to warm up I don't give them any cues or say anything. I just get to know him what your favorite color Which I'm gonna lay him whatever and then I say whenever you're ready whenever you're warm I'm just gonna catch and shoot you're just gonna catch and shoot I'm a rebound for you or have somebody else rebound for you So I just watch you the whole time And you're just gonna take a handful of shots until I see you know what I see and then we'll start the workout from there and Sometimes it takes me You know 15 to 20 shots before I stop and I say okay, here's what it is Sometimes it takes it takes us one and I'm like, okay I know what we got now And so that's the process and what do I look for first? I run a coaching community Just a small group of us and They always ask me the same question like what do you start with? What do you start with? What do you start with? And I'm like When it comes to individual players If I'm if any coaches are listening to this and they're wondering that same thing too The answer that I gave them that seemed to be the one that They accepted the most because they weren't accepting the ones before um was I look at the I look at somebody's shooting and there's What looks weird? What looks kind of weird? Um, is it their rhythm looks kind of weird and I'm not really sure what it is yet But the rhythm looks kind of weird or is it uh the way they jump? Um, is it they're you know Their feet positioning, uh, are their knees kind of doing something funny Um, is there followed through going across? You know, so I kind of just look at the shot as a whole and you know, what looks weird and I've gotten 10,000 reps at doing this right and so um I can I can now identify Exactly for the most part like I'm it's very rare that I find a new thing wrong with the shot that I haven't seen before So, you know, when I do see a new weird thing, I'm like, oh, like I don't know what's wrong, but we're gonna figure it out together um and the Yes, so whatever I identify as the thing that's weird Um, then I start with that and so it looks different per individual. Um, the most common problems I see Usually have something to do with their wrist engagement early in their hands Um, um, there's see their sequencing and their their rhythm in their body. Um, and I mean for younger kids, obviously they have chaos for hands So we work a lot on and the the hard part about hands is Like you can only do that really by your side. I could stand there and watch you do this over and over again, but You can only really do that by yourself. Um, but uh I would say the other one is like How they load into their hips, um, especially boys Um, well because we are all we coach athletes to stay on their toes. Stay on your toes. Stay on your toes. Stay on your toes. I'm not saying that's wrong Um, but when we coach young athletes, especially They hear that and they go overboard With it and so now all of their weight is like into their quads and it looks like they're doing they're about to do one of those squats Uh, where it's like you can touch your knees to the floor and come back up. You know, what are those called? Um, you know, I'm talking about the sushi squats. Yes, the sissy squat it looks like they're about they're like starting the motion to do those and it's like Load into your hip. Keep your heels on the floor actually is what I've made people do at first Um, so that they can feel loading into their hips. Those are probably some of the most common issues I correct, um But as far as on an individual level like there's no That's the template is let them shoot watch them see what's wrong and then go fix it And then give them space to breathe like give them one thing at a time And it's up to you to know what the one thing is that's probably going to fix 80 percent of the problems Because if you can find that core thing on the underneath then You know the rest of it goes away, um or a lot of it anyway Um And then you give them space to just work on that one thing let them shoot 15 20 graphs about hearing your voice the entire time And then if that's not working then you can say hey, that's it really worked in it You didn't make any of those shots. So let's try something else and then it's a It's it's cool to teach like this From a place of extreme ownership Because it takes a ton of pressure off the shooter and tutors confidence I mean players confidence is so tied in to whether their shots are going in or not And so I do everything I can in every session whether it's with a tiny tot or a pro um to be like oh my bad This was this was this was me um And and then when they're getting frustrated Even communicating like it's you will be able to make shots because it's my job to help you find that Like you are capable of doing this. It's my job to make sure you can and so leave this to me Exper let me experiment with these things with you and just let your body do what it does um and coaching from from that framework has Yeah, I mean allowed athletes to really kind of let go In a way, which is what you have to do to get here Um to shooting at a really high level because you have to fail so many freaking times Something I tell my players At camp is like i've made more shots than you guys have even missed At the or even taken at this point in your life I've i've made more than you've even taken and I let them sit with that and it's like bro Yeah, you can't shoot yet because you just haven't done it yet and Then they you know, they're throw their brow and they go and Don't care if we're all pumped up. It's great um Yeah, I went off on a tangent there, but but that's what I look for first is what looks weird and then we work backwards from there Hmm. I'm similar in that sense of how I don't really come in with like a template. It's more of just I think about it like this it depends if we're in season off season two. So if we're off season I'm fine. Like the biggest rock we can move. Oh, like I put it like this. I look at how you're missing. Then I figure out why we're missing So if all your shots are short, it's like, okay I see everything's hitting a front rim of your airballer What's going on? Like, what is your body doing? Like, why are you missing it? Your body's doing this thing It's not paying point. What's your body doing? Are you just not using using your legs enough? Which I kind of hate we can talk about that later, but are you just not putting enough power into it? Are you just shooting it straight? Like what's the issue? Like why are you missing? Isn't that kind of fix it from there? But then if it's a big issue like is we're gonna take a lot of reps to fix it? Okay, that's the off season thing if it's in season like right before season or whatever then I kind of go What can we do that can Almost cheat the coaching system of like I don't want to give you the nuggets But I have to kind of shortcut it because we're in season mode so I don't want to tweak too much but I I'll hand feature a little bit more than I usually would to get you like over this many hump versus To big hillies that usually do Just what they come up with Let me ask this why are why are you afraid to tweak a shot in season if they're already like not making shots Well, sometimes they are making shots. So it's more like If if you're a decent enough shooter now, I don't want to change too much to wear Confidence drop because the form and everything it's like, okay, let's just wait to off season do that So if you can't shoot then it's like all right, whatever like it doesn't matter. Yeah, then he got nothing loose So let's figure it out. You know Yeah, I feel that Yes, it's really just more Figuring out the biggest rock we can move. So now we can move on to the rest of the rocks And I like what you said about how You basically don't overcoach the athlete you give them space to kind of do that thing and I think we kind of like Put that Burden on us because we don't want to look like a bad trainer or a bad coach But I'm like the thing I realized for me when I was younger I ought to have a dialogue going on on my head by myself So I don't need the trainer coming into and a dad coming into and all his other voices because I already have stuff going on by myself It's kind of to me to kind of figure out if that conversation is going right or if it's going wrong That's what going back to our say before about the shooter shoot thing It's to get you back on track to where hey, I see you're getting frustrated and tries to get in worse Let's get back on track now. That's when I interrupt. I want to interrupt if Things are going bad. That's really going bad Versus I want to overcoach and over train like no, I already told you what to do It's just you figuring out what that comes out as for you So I love how you don't want to overcoach your players because I think we do that too much sometimes we just overcoach them and over analyze and got them over thinking now It's not they're breaking not because they can't shoot because they're analyzing too much to do Or just like you said giving that one thing. So I like how you doing that Yeah, yeah, that's great. I think the but yeah the best coaches I've ever had especially when it comes to technical skills um is what like skill adaptation and and feeling your body um like The brain body connection can't happen while they're hearing our voice like So like in order for them to adapt to skill like they have to have the room for it The best coaches I've had have said very little during those times as far as like the coaches of Skills, right coaching. I think a team might be a little bit different, but um, I don't coach team. So I don't really know Yeah, I think it's uh The different merits you have when you're a coach versus a trainer So I try to be mindful and I like I'll talk trash with and stuff and just have a little stuff in there but as far as Being an actual training and coaching technique or whatever I try to do a little amount of talking I give analogies or whatever so they can understand the clicks and I okay you understand it cool now go show me And then just have fun and go that route. So yeah, oh I'm glad I'm like I'm doing something right now. I feel good about my life man That's like you have a great coach. What do you mean? Yeah, and it's that over coaching thing We've I think it's something you always have to grow out of you have to realize like shit All right, I've just given them 17 different things to think about like maybe I should not do that um It comes with reps just like anything else, but that's the most common thing I correct and coaches you come through my certification programs is like bro stop talking You know just stop stop talking so much like it I and I not because you're not saying good things But you're just saying too many of them And that's been profound In in a lot of the improvement we've we've seen in the coaching community and in their kids Yeah, did you get the one thing from that book? Have you read that book before? Uh The book called the one thing Yeah, no, I actually have it. I didn't know there was a book called the one thing. It sounds like I'd really like it though Yeah, it's crazy because that's basically what it talks about about how Uh, you prioritize like the most important thing to do Basically, it has the sense that it says of like if what's the one thing I can focus on That by doing a complaining something like that will make all else things easier And I'm like, okay Preach a kind of you it's kind of what you go along with with your shooting of like, okay What's the one thing this session that we can focus on and get better at that by completing this will make the rest of my shooting easier? Yeah, totally Totally. That's cool. I'll have to pick that one up Um We love universal truths and when they pop out in regular conversation, you know We love that It's the only that you were looking for earliest. No Come on. They're everywhere. Honestly. Look at them. You know All right, um Going back to your balance equation, right? So Let's go with accuracy. Let's let's talk about one. Okay How would you define an accurate shooter? Um If they're missing Then they're missing in the same way every time they can be accurate or if they're making shots and they're making them in the same way every time then they're accurate That doesn't necessarily mean like accuracy It's funny. There's a difference in in psychology and my bachelor's agree. There's like it was accuracy and validity um I think it was or I hope i'm not portraying that but it's like something could be accurate but not valid Um, so you can be shooting it the same way every single time and hitting the rim the same way every single time But it's not going in so it's not like actually getting the result that we want um And so that's you know where the balance part of it comes in but obviously an accurate shooter is Are you missing if you're are you missing front or the rim or back of the rim? Like are you shooting the ball in a straight line over and over and over again? Um Then we can say you're pretty accurate if because anytime I see kids miss off the front of the back of the rim I'm like we can live with that like we love those we love you know, I love that that you just missed that way and um, but If they're you know missing right left front back side of the back or top of the back where I'd like Maybe we should take things a little slower Scoot up See what's going on here Because something's not right. Um, and so uh yeah accuracy Would be you know, put simply can you shoot it in a straight line over and over and over again? I think that's one of the Small wins I get players on especially younger players when we're changing shots and working on shots Just because they get too fixate on makes and misses and I'm like hey First off, can we just get it straight? Can we hit the front or back of the rim or can we have consistency in your shot? And they get A little bit more at ease because they're like, okay. We're not worried about makes and misses I just want to get Marginally closer And the analogy I give is like when you're playing darts when it's like shooting bows and arrows It's like you get points for hitting the board, but you always get points for accuracy Like you have to be strategic in where you're hitting And so you get too caught up on hitting bullseye every time it's not the goal every time The goal is for you to just actually be more accurate with your shot So when you're missing, are you missing front and back and we're good If everything's left and right and you hit the backboard the next shot and it's airborne like hey, let's Let's figure something out like you said, but we're more accurate in our shot and we're If we're missing everything consistently left I'll take that too because we have the same problem now we can fix that problem and get things back center in line So I think we think a line as far as what accuracy is with shooting. It's just um A lot of times we get too caught up on makes and misses. I think it's just being more marginally correct than we were before Yeah, and a lot of If you could ask me some problems that you're going to know it right away and I usually take mom for basket Whenever we're missing everybody, we'll say i'll have them shoot on a line And you just shoot the ball straight line out of land on this line in front of you um and We came up by accuracy, especially a lot in that A lack of accuracy you just it's coming somewhere in the body, right? And so again, you figure out what that one thing is in the body Um, and then I Like to take it my athlete's off the rim first so having to line drops my pro and a cannon For example when she first came in me she had She was missing your shots short, so she was accurate you know, but she was short and so We took her off the basket to make an adjustment first So whether it's after you see or something else, um as you said Like the misses and makes are usually what cloud Our ability to shape them into more accurate shooters or some making more shots And so by removing that as a feedback mechanism putting on a line and saying, okay And so the reason Emma Emma was shooting short is because she had a teeny tiny little hitch In her shot. She called it a 2k like a glitch and she called it glitch in her car And uh, she I was like, okay, we're just gonna put you on this line Um, every time you shoot smooth with no stops. I'm gonna give you a point no matter what Every time you shoot smooth With no stops and you hit it on the line you get two points. We're gonna go three sets 30 So all she's doing is feeling for that one part of her shot in behaviors that get rewarded get repeated It's bananas how effective that is for shaping behaviors It's just that little reward of a point and imaginary point that means nothing um, and so That has worked Astoundingly well We're moving them we're moving the feedback from the rim and then just giving rewards for them for the Wireless chemical changes that we want to see Can happen. I mean in days like you can really help someone transform in days Now it's up to them to keep that transformation to keep thinking for it so to understand the one thing and all of that but um You know when it comes to helping students be more accurate, usually you take them off the rim and make accuracy easier for them Hmm. I like that. I'm probably gonna steal that one just so you know Yeah, see like an artist True, so let's go to power now. So like you said with your player. It was It was accurate But things were short. So now you have to address a power issue. So now how do we address power in a shot? Usually the profit power is just that they're There's either slowing down or stopping their moments at that something And so Rob voter who is a shooting coach for the mani heat Um, he has one thing that he says That's because you want to simply something that's a simpler line is going to be more Right Something that doesn't stop it started slow down is getting you're gonna have the most power out But so he says this thing Pass into the best like that's the simplest like he explained shooting just passes the best Uh, and so I'll give you different cues like that. Uh, but when we're teaching power and shooters I let them just shoot from far and I give them the tools, you know leading up to it I teach them how to transfer energy Without stopping and starting right so we get there first Then we have them experiment with your body rotation a little bit And then we have them back up and do the same thing and then we have back up further and do the same thing And so the kinds of shots will take into working on power. They're not going to look anything like your actual jumper Uh, but they're just like lunges and hurdle work doesn't look like you're actual running Right, but it helps you get into these positions and feel these movements in your body that are going to Help you achieve the goal of shooting power Uh, and so that's how we train power into athletes as we we layer it in Um, and then after they feel oh my gosh, or they you know We see these little kids with their first three pointers at my camps all the time for these little girls Especially and they're like they make it and then they always do that stay out of their And they're like just off this this light up in their eyes Oh, and that's like a confidence thing, right? They go home. They sell their mom. How am I here to three today? And they come back in and so that's why Power can give athletes and and coaches are so Touchy with this and I understand why because it because kids want to go into the gym and just shoot breed all the time Right and and that's objectively not going to work And so it's like can we give them the freedom to still experiment with shooting the ball cowardly? while still Continuing to give them like what you know when you walk into the gym. This is not what you're supposed to do first Um, you know if you can't choose have any percent or better from this Then you don't have the green light for me. Uh, and so so on and so forth. So Um, that's how we move through that's how we move through power is is in layers and in giving up some freedom to move their bodies Hmm So when I hear most coaches or trainers talk about getting a more powerful shot y'all to make it go to use your legs and There is truth in that but their connotation of what they mean by that Usually translates to jump higher And I dislike that because it's not true for everybody And so for you What does power Kind of come from I guess you could say Yeah, like a more powerful shot When when coaches say use more legs or parents, you know, use your legs Um, that It means what it's one of two things I think yes jump higher or go look like use both of your legs Right, which in neither of those things really give the cue of put more force into Fuel more power every action has an equal and opposite reaction we teach shooting through laws of physics through laws of gravity Um, use third laws every action is an equal and opposite reaction The more force I can put into the grounds the more forceful but good ball now It's up to be to know how do I move the ball at the same speed relative to the floor? Um, so that I don't stop any of that momentum. How do I border my body in a way? um, that's going to get my max power output from What I have another visibility and arms and core and all of that that can go into it too But what I tell my athletes is that you're going to hear coaches and parents say use your legs And what I want you to hear instead is dig your big thumbs in jump harder put more force into the floor Um, just like you would you know, try to get up do a bird test You're jumping as hard as you can so you don't have to jump as high as you can But you do have to jump as hard as you can And and and let let it fly from there and move while same speed Uh, and so that's what I would say is that coaches could do better At in that language is not necessarily saying use more legs But but dig your big toes in or put more force into the ground is going to get us Uh, the response from the athlete that I think we're actually looking for Yeah, I think we sometimes get too caught up on that first level maybe even second level of coaching and giving cues and We're aware of what the issue is So we get a little lazy in the language we're using so you just say Use your legs. So you just say Make shots and it's like you think i'm not trying to make shots Just stop missing Stop missing like that's the funniest one is when parents are Stop missing stop turning over about stop doing is make the shot and it's like No, didn't think about that one. I That that actually didn't come up intentionally missing here. You're right I'm gonna put a make son instead Man, the coach of the year right there, you know while missing it in But that's the ones I love the most because it's like they're not trying If it was a lack of effort and they're just doing crazy, then I could understand using that cue I think we just get a little lazy with our language what we use and players get cheated out of because They're just doing their best of what they know and what they can do So it's up to us to have better language and understand What are we trying like what is the goal we're looking for and what are the words to get them there? So saying use your legs It's close So what does that actually mean to each player in each shooter? I think we have to do a better job of that and that's why I enjoy Seeing what you do because you do Take that third level sometimes fourth level of teaching and giving cute say hey When you hear this to do this because use your legs is cool, but you don't fully know what that means So this is what I want you to do put more forces to the ground to your big toe So that's where your teaching comes in. I'm like Another one. I'm taking I like it Well, I mean, I think it's you know to be fair come just have a lot To do and to teach and so all I do is think about shooting Right, and so these these little nuggets or these things I come up with It's because this is all I think about You know and I don't think about offense and defense and press break silent out of bounds baseline out of bounds And what are defensive schematics are and what are you know all of those things? I just think about shooting and so yeah Coming up with those cues is it's amazing and I'm like so honored and flattered and and so surprised like that You know, I'll get loved from coaches like you that I've ever met who is you know saying? No, I I stole that I used that like that's the greatest honor you could give somebody who was dedicated their life to being a teacher uh so yeah, that's That language uses important and I think I think we're cared in it. So thank you for saying I Mean thank you for sharing because you you helping me and my players out. So it is It's just basketball family. I had to help each other out Yeah, so uh, let's go on to the body now When you're addressing the body, what does that mean because we kind of touch power and accuracy which Comes from the body. So what does that mean in your curriculum of what you're dealing with? right, so Whenever I explain the curriculum, I always say it in the same My body power But we actually it's funny that you that you asked it in this order because we actually moved through its backwards so you have to conquer accuracy before you can get Tip cover you can't shoot because you can shoot really powerfully. Um, but if you're not accurate Um, and so we conquer accuracy first and then we can back you up Um, and once we have accuracy and power now we can get into advanced We can get into strengths We get into shooting off the move. We can get into some of your bag and your iso moves We can get into your conditioning that really needs to happen to be an elite shooter shooter phone gets hired We don't we can shoot whenever wherever I would play 40 minutes a game like That's that's the shooter's chip on their shoulders forwarder's chip on their shoulder. It's like don't take me up the game on that side And so we can't really get like We could make somebody really really conditioned right, but if they're not powerful and accurate before that Then crawl conditioned. They are might help a little bit, but it's not really going to matter And so Can we teach can we layer the body stuff strength? Explosiveness all of that into a shooter once they already have their foundations of what does this actually mean? To shoot, you know, do I understand my body movements before trying to add advanced concepts to? It's kind of interesting coming from it makes sense, but it's interesting because you don't post large strength conditioning stuff for a lot of uh Cardio type of drills. No, so how do you can't you operate it for you? I'm sorry How do you add that into what you're doing your training because you don't post a lot of that? Yeah, well one I'm not an expert in the field I usually send somebody to somebody like Mike G. It was a good friend of mine who has a CVT who's at But like that's not my lane How do I like incorporate that into workouts when I'm working out with an elite player of we We usually do shot series instead of uh, you know variable practice where the shots The demand on the body is usually a little bit easier because I can't put high demand on your body if you're not a good shooter already Uh, I need to put a high demand on your brain body connection You know on those sorts of things when on adapting your skill first But once you've adapted the skill or making it harder and you're freaking good then We add in, you know Again advanced movements and stuff. That's going to take a higher level of strength cardi. Whatever. Um, I don't necessarily feel qualified to necessarily put them in the weight room and get them move their body different like but You know, I can send them resources and do that Please say this is your responsibility as you're becoming a better shooter Now you get to get to do some of these movements And and build your strength and build your endurance build all of these and here are the people I watch a little bit Progress is not about perfection and being perfect. It's about making growth no matter what It's about pushing yourself to the limit and beyond those limits every time that comes your way You're over and coming them and it's about striving to become more and doing more every single step every single day Every single dribble is a victory you want as long as you're making progress because progress progress progress is the only goal So and business to that progress and business to that dream, get yourself a reminder that progress is gonna go Hmm. I think that's that's a great piece because We We get too caught up on the skill And sometimes it's not a skill deficiency. It's a body deficiency So I had a guy who You talked about early about having basically having to risk load it into your shot based off a catching shoot And When he was shooting a lot of times he had a basic like a flat wrist. Yes, almost Yeah, and when he did come back it was here And so I'm looking at a shot like why is this shot flat and so I'm thinking through like, okay, what is he doing? What's going on? Like basically I said early. Why is he missing? And look at his wrist. I'm like, oh, you can't load your wrist like you need to And so it's not a skill deficiency. He's not he's trying to do it this way. His he physically cannot do this with his shot So the physical piece is just as important where there's the wrist mobility shoulder The spine the hips or whatever it is All these things incorporate into being a great shooter And one small thing is the wrist being off Maybe able to load it the right way. He can completely change his shot So once you kind of got his wrist more flexible and able to go back some completely change his shot It's crazy Wow, that was really great timing. Uh of these lysicabonds You're starting to lighten this shit up Oh Yeah, and it's great because I'm in the chapter of learning myself like More about like this last year and a half really I've dove Much deeper into to biomechanics the understanding body like I've like Mike and I have talked about it I've asked him questions like what's this part of the shoulder called and like why is it You know, why is it such a hindrance to teach kids to go super elbow in like You know because it's a feel good. Why doesn't that feel good? And he'd walk me through. Oh, that's called the acromion plate And because that's not actually how you're by so stuff I actually went to an applied performance conference and this is why I don't teach a lot of that um That strength conditioning type stuff in my work because that's not what I do um It's because I was at that applied performance conference and I had very little idea What was happening in all three presentations like these people were using words. I've never heard before Regularly and like looking at me for confirmation I like I don't like I don't even know What y'all just said something in in donated I don't even know that that's the right way. I don't know, but it was like I'm so serious I think i'm a smart cookie But not that's a different kind of smart like they are the strength conditioning people at the highest levels like I think strength conditioning people kind of get a bad rap like there's meatheads um, but those guys and girls are on a whole nother level of understanding the body and how to move it and how you're supposed to move it and So I don't even like I'll get there maybe one day after six seven years of studying it You know, but I am nowhere qualified to be like Here's your here's your strength and speed workout That I wrote for you like I don't know, you know, that's not my lane Um, so it's good to have people in your corner where it is there lane Um, and then you uh, you can build them up from there Yeah, I think we kind of get into this age not just in, you know, skills coaching or whatever, but everybody wants to kind of be a master of all It's either you want to be super specific and not know anything else or you want to try to be too generalistic and know a little bit of everything and not necessarily conquer one thing and it's very generalistic in the terms of like I want to be a shooting coach and I want to be a photographer And I want to have a clothing brand and I want to do architecture and it's like timeout. Hold on. You can do 50 things I can understand Doing five things under this one umbrella because that's maybe I'm biased because that's what I do, but It makes more sense to have one tree And then multiple branches of it and trying to grow Five different trees of five different kinds of seeds And you're trying to water this one this one way and then you're trying to make sure this one gets this amount of sunlight Because there it requires so much detail to get one tree right Or just trying to get five trees right first to get in one tree to get one fruit And then find another tree that's very similar And you just kind of spring from there. So I respect that you're able to know your lane and stay in your lane and The the next piece of that is like not having the ego to say hey Goes to this trying because I don't know Like that I think people have scattered those three words and say I don't know like what I'm quick to say I don't know, but let me get back to you. Yeah, I'm fine with Yeah, I think that's yeah, I think that was beautifully said the tree analogy and When I started right before I started this whole brand or like, you know, right maybe in the beginning of it like I think I experienced something in my life that was really close to complete ego death um Just a really low You know dark time, you know that many of us have experienced as a you know our shared Human experience and and inside of that wasn't complete, you know, everybody still struggled with ego sometimes but um That I think like being able to let go of ego and and doing that consciously whenever i'm feeling You know some type of way like I even responded to my mom, you know, just earlier. I told her. I just added a a software engineer Like who's a good friend of mine to my team that's helping me build, you know, what i'm building and all all the different, you know things i'm I'm working on and um And I told her, you know, I gave him this this percentage and she was just like, oh, like why would you, you know You're so generous all the time, you know, well, but she was looking out for me And that hit me in a certain way where I kind of got defensive like, yo, you don't know like you don't know And then right, you know, she Couple minutes later apologized and I was like not like that one about you like that was my ego like Being scared of maybe I you know, maybe I didn't do the right thing and like but then that was totally about me So I do a fairly good job of checking myself often whenever I'm feeling defensive or Remember, I'm feeling like a hater. Honestly. Um, I'm like, well, okay. Where is this coming from? Like this is probably not about them. This is about me Uh In it that helps me kind of be able to say like I don't know like I'm not a strength conditioning coach Those people are way smarter than me and so go go over yonder Um, but they can't teach you how to shoot like I like I can't so you know Everybody everybody's got their rope. Everybody's got their link Yeah, well, I I kind of want to uh dig into what you said about that being your low moment Like what was going on? In that period of your life for that to be a low moment. What is that do if you say, okay My ego has to take this backseat because I can do what I want to do if my ego is going to be right here Yeah, it was I mean Three really tumultuous things had happened in my life within the span of four or five months um First was uh, I was I was engaged in um One night. I was completely blindsided by my my ex-fiance and You know, she came into the house and said I want to get my own apartment just out of left field and so That flips my whole world upside down. This is the person you think you're going to spend the rest of your life with then um I mean you can I mean when you connect your you think you're going to connect your soul to somebody Um, and now it's just sort of It splits you a little bit and so then I I was moving through that and then not about I guess it was about 60 Days later, um, I lost my dog who is not enough. You're a dog person, but he was I mean That dog like everybody has dogs grown up and whatever and there's there's a few of them, but he was like the one Finnegan He just out of blood out of nowhere. Just suddenly couldn't use his back legs and it's not a pain and Um, it turned out it was just the a freak Thing he saw he ruptured two discs in his back and the Doctor the bet said it was just like a taking time bomb. Um, there's nothing we could have done You know, it just was was you know terrible and then Right after that, um, I Lost my job. Um, it was supposed to be a three-year gig I would still be working there today in fact, and it was supposed to be a three-year gig training and at a gym in Phoenix and um So then I remember that happening and Like all three of those things You know happened and the night that I lost my job is when I When where shooter shoot was born on my first panic attack in that time Um, you know, I had thankfully I haven't had one since then I had no idea it was happening because I heard people talk about You know anxiety attacks and before I just didn't I just thought that just meant they were like really stressed. Um, like But no, it's like it was a real thing. Um, your heart Starts racing, you know gets up to 200 your Apple watch is going off like what's going on with you and um You feel sort of this This this Everything seems just so meaningless Um conversations washing dishes Your mom telling you about your niece. You're like, okay, you know, it's cool. Um, and You can feel or I could feel Um That things have less meaning conversations weren't as fun as they were before and it was just dark It was I'd never experienced it before. I'm you know grateful that I hadn't experienced it up until then in my life, but then There was a moment Where I was I was I had agreed to dog sit Um these two dogs for a friend of mine. It was a big goofy um Like curly tall dog named named bear I think and then a chocolate lab um named browns and They the people left the house or had I already left the house and I walked in And I sat down and I opened my laptop and it was like Again, this house was like unreasonably dark and like open You know, the dogs were there just chilling and I like it's hard to put words to it, but it's like Everything Sort of like black hold um And imploded and I sat down um And then I stood back up and I just looked around and I was like on that Like forget this like this ain't who we are and I'm I went to the gas station Um, and I looked crazy like I was wearing the basketball shorts and like a dirty shirt my my hair You know, it was looking crazy because I was just in a dark place. I wouldn't really take great care of myself to be honest um And I went to that gas station and I ran into this guy That I that I had worked out with at the gym before I done a shooting workout with him and I was like Hey I bought a red bowl a sugar free red bowl and some Cheetos and I went back to the The house with the dogs and I sat there and I built For four straight days. I like hardly moved. Um, I would go Back to to the gas station and buy a snack and another energy. This is not what I recommend anybody doing. It was not super healthy Nutritionally, um, but I just had this moment like where it's like Your your whole system just decides to shock you out of something and rage forward and That's what I did. I in four days. I built the first the first clothing brand site and Started that whole thing and then I Started calling and talking mentors like how do I how do I figure this out? Like how do I train your kids? How do I get in the gym? I'll do it for free. Um, but this is you could buy t-shirts, you know, if you want to and That's sort of that that rage to go forward is How I've been on the road for today is they like 900 in something I think being on the road like this and Just figuring it out because I I know that forward is better than where I was I think everybody hits a certain moment where Relative to that person. It's a dark moment. It's a it's a fucking road moment But what for you said, okay Instead of going darker. I can't do this anymore. Let's Choose this right within you said that okay I can't sit here and keep going left. I can't keep going dark I can't just give up on what I'm doing or what I strive to do within you said let's go this direction and pivot this way Okay This is the audacity of self belief like I remember who the fuck I was And You only have to remember that one time and decide to believe it one time and I think Having that revelation At a low point in my life Was maybe just I don't know a part of where I needed to go I don't think it's in and what's crazy is I don't think anybody has to go that low To also remember who they like who they are kind of think you have to get there to To develop the sort of audacity that you need to be great at anything um but I think I needed to experience What it would be like if I just gave up um And then there was this thing that even now I say to myself when things get hard um is I'm like You can always go back to bartending You can always go back to bartending. You were really good at that. I can make a lot of money as a bartender I like people just fine But it's not time for that yet And so Yeah, it's just uh, I could always go back to bartending, but I don't want to yet. This isn't that hard yet It's it's not that that bad again yet And So those are sort of the I mean the moments that are I think it in a lot of ways inexplicable. Um, there's just you know lived experiences and All we all we have is forward. All we have is right now, um always and That's what it's like going to do It's like you just have to you're just like in the now if you the more you can keep yourself in the now you can look around and like remember that Your past and your future aren't actually here with you right now. Um I've I've you know from from that experience I try to stay in like almost a constant state of meditation when I'm not like focusing my mind on something I'm doing and obviously that doesn't always work. I'm you know, we're human But when I when I'm in those chapters of really making sure to stay mindful of of staying present in Just moving the pieces Letting myself feel what I need to feel and then taking a breath like I've learned to process very quickly um, which has Been frustrating and some of the relationships. I've tried to develop with people because I'm like, all right I was really sad and now I'm not sad and let's figure it out. Like let's let's move forward Um, which is not how everybody processes and that's you know Totally fine. Um But in in being a business owner you kind of have to do that You have to be ready to pivot and understand something's gonna go wrong And you got to figure it out as the leader of this thing that you're doing as the person who's taking care of other people Um, this is your responsibility now. And so that's the sacrifice you make is as a leader of anything But that's yeah that that moments of of of ego death or near ego death um Has shaped a lot of how I can build and in what I feel is an honorable way I think what you say was important is that um You don't have to hit this low point for you to decide or realize who you are and I think about how And I'm still kind of feeling this out, but I think there's only two real things of like two sorts you can say a motivation Like there's another one in there too that I kind of play around with I think the core to that most people either have is basically I think I tweeted it another time Let's see if I can quote myself Is that kind of equal to a school like no, no, no, no, we love self celebrations. We those are important All right, if I can find it. Okay, so I said motivation comes down to two things one strongly Wanting that in result enough to go through that process or two strongly disliking the opposite result enough to go Through the process to avoid it So basically you want this end goal like you want to go to the NBA the dubby NBA You want to become a great shooter you want to figure out this business And the idea of reaching that drives you so much That's all you can think about. That's your motivation to go and reach that or I hate bartending so much. I hate a nine to five. I hate missing shots. I despise being broke I I hate this thing so much. I'm going to run away from that And go the opposite direction and reach this goal And I think that's the core of what drives me being she either Drive towards something the Steph Curry route of I just love playing basketball so much that I just have fun doing this And it's fun being good at this is fun being great. So I'm gonna chase that or Whatever percentage of other guys in the NBA like y'all used to come from the hood. I come from the ghetto My mom didn't have much. My dad wasn't here My grandma raised me because my mom was out working all the time I don't want to be in that situation no more So I'm gonna hoop to save my life my mom's life my family's life The homin from the hood life and I'm chasing after that now as I'm running away from poverty to run towards this now And I think those two core things that will motivate everybody And at the root of what you said is like you don't have to go Down the route of I hate this so much that I want to go after that I think we get too caught up especially if like in my culture and my people we get too caught up on The have nots and we celebrate that almost It's like really you can just love what you're doing be great at it You don't have to go to the bottom to bounce back and Be the next love who you can be I think we have to celebrate that a little bit more and say hey I just love doing what I do. I love and have a passion for us But I think it's another conversation. I think it's overrated But I love doing what you do or love doing what I do enough to where I want to just chase it because I enjoy doing it So we can hoop with a smile and face me, but I still have courage. It's perfectly fine I wish to celebrate that a little bit more than just I made it from the bottom and I didn't have anything so now I'm gonna Do what I can to avoid it. So I love with how you went through that, but it wasn't like a choice thing, but You don't want to sit here and say hey, you want to hit rock bottom to now Reach to go that she's trying to have thousand percent a thousand percent and You know in speaking on on those two like two different pieces of motivation is I think that They can't like those can be those both of those can be motivators But what what you're talking about for me it feels like it's in the middle of the two um like because You don't necessarily want that end goal to be the thing that drives you because If an end goal is your is your means to an end then what happens at the end um one of my like Favorite experiences that I've had on living on a road like this um Was I got to go to New Orleans a friend of mine was Yeah, Christy at Tolliver is her name. She was coaching for the maths at the time Um, and I just happened to be between uh between My sessions and so I was like i'ma go y'all are staying at the four seasons like i'm gonna go sleep on a couch And i'm gonna come, you know watch you the maths play the pelicans, you know back-to-back in Um, she was like fine. Whatever. It's not fluent to New Orleans and uh I got there and we were gonna go and set the eeb. She wasn't feeling well So I was like that's cool. I'll go down to the bar And uh, I sat down and I was having a A lobster roll the maybe the best lobster roll I've ever had um and just kind of enjoying myself and Across the bar from me. I look up And it's have you ever seen breaking bad? I Think some of it. Okay. It's hank From breaking bad the dea agent the brother Is sitting across from me at this bar and i'm like, oh my god, like that's crazy Just like that's hank. So I didn't say anything to him, but I was like what an awesome thing Uh, and then he gets up and he leaves and and he was talking these two people look like he has good time Gets up and he leaves and then Uh, right after that these two people completely decked out in pelicans here They come sit right next to me and I assume they're growing to the game the next day So I I just lean over as I start a conversation and i'm like, what do you guys? Um, you know, are you guys going to the game tomorrow? What do you guys up to? And they're like, yeah, yeah, our son just got signed to or just got traded to the pelicans Um, and so i'm thinking in my head like he like I knew who just got traded to the pelicans, but I was like In a way and so I just kept kind of talking to him and they they'd had a few drinks at this point um, so they were you know getting a little looser and uh That we got talking more. I said you must be so proud of uh of your son, you know being in the mba That's amazing. He didn't really get like like cj's a good boy. I always used to just tell him all things He did wrong and nothing he ever did right. I was like, okay. I'm gonna ignore The fact that I disagree wholeheartedly with what you just said, but this is cj on mccollum's parents And so i'm like, oh my god. I'm like, what on earth is god? Like so I chopped it up with them for a little while It was awesome and then they left and so i'm sitting here like wow There should this this night was just so cool and then a man comes and he sits That it pulls out the bar stool next to me and he sits down and he goes, hey, I knew you just saved me and i'm like like Save you what do you mean? and it was hank from breaking back he came back and he sat next to me and he was like Yeah, just chilling with me. I was like, what do you mean save you? I was like, you look like you have a really good time with these people and he was like, no No, it wasn't I said it must be what it's like to be in a grammy award-winning or an Emmy award-winning actor And he was like, oh, what gave it away? It was at the face and I was like, yeah Hank it was the face and he was like, you know, how my name's dean good to meet you And so dean and I are chopping it up and and then I text christy I was like forget your stomach eight dude like I need you to come down here hank is here And so then she comes downstairs and so now i'm sitting next to hank for breaking bed and Who is the one of the greatest actors of all time Emmy award-winning actors? That's got to be like less than one percent of all actors Um, christy talliver two time wmba champion, you know three time wmba all star one of the greatest shooters of all time in the women's game And i'm sitting in between the two of them not saying damn thing So i'm just leaning back like listening to them connect with each other These are two of the highest performers in the entire on the entire planet and So as they were connecting they got to this moment where they Talked about The the one moment right where they they got the thing they won the trophy Um, they're the confettis falling and all their family and friends are all around them and they You know this they they finally achieved this thing And that the first thing that they felt was sadness like what's next and I remember that sitting with me in such a profound way like That a lot of people asked me what my goal is what's your goal with all this what your goal with shoot or shoot And I don't really have one you know like my like I'm in this place where it's just very purpose driven work like this is what i'm supposed to be doing Like beyond a shadow of a doubt. I was meant to be a teacher. It just so happened that shooting is my medium and I'm gonna let my purpose just drive me and let the cool stuff happen like on on the way there and So when you you talk motivation and in that thing in between like this drive that somewhere that lives in between this Like for me like escaping that feeling um So it wasn't it's not exactly escaping that feeling but that's part of it And then the other side of like wanting to do something great. Like I don't have the pinnacle of success Like I don't know what that looks like for me, but i'm moving towards it um But in the middle of these two like motivating factors and learning to to use both of them while still staying here Today right now And that is the mind part of shoot or shoot, you know, it's a To transition totally into that. Um learning to be here um Learning to let the body do what it does and that like nothing in the past matters Nothing in the future matters because the past in the future right now all don't exist um That's what we teach our shooters You know, really we only get to the mind once you have all of you've done the work and all the other great pieces Now you're unconsciously competent Now we can get you to the mind I'm sorry now you're consciously competent. Now we can get you to the mind work where you're unconsciously competent And that's All wrapped into the curriculum of the shoot or shoot training to simple shot system I'm kind of jealous because I was going to segue back to it Jump to the spot and I was like She's a wave like thing. I shouldn't I shouldn't let you know that's that's Because like I saw it in my brain like you said, uh, you hit that rock bottom like ooh That's a perfect way to segue between mind and body You talked about how you had the panic attack. I was gonna reference that about how mentally You know things show physically and that's how things translate back to the mind game But you beat me to it. So I can't do my segue how I want it to man, but it's fine I'm gonna let you have to create it. It's whatever. I think we can share credit. I think we can share credit You asked the question and we wouldn't have gotten there. You had to ask a question Fair fair your team player. So, you know, yeah Now you you referenced the I think it's got the four levels of competence. I think it's called. Yeah, yeah Okay, let's let's break down those four So the first stage is unconscious Uncompetence, right unconscious incompetence. Yeah Incompetence. Yeah. Yeah, so you're too stupid to know how stupid you are Yes, okay And then it's uh, then it's conscious incompetence. So I am just smart enough to know how stupid I am So that's like me with the Strength and conditioning like I'm smart enough to know I can't do that um And then it's conscious competence. So I consciously know that I'm good at this thing Um, but I still have to think about it to like really move through it and be great at it But I am great at it. And then there's the next level, which is mastery right unconscious Competence where you're so good at this thing that you can have space to be creative inside of this really difficult thing Like Taylor Swift is I just read an article on her. Um, where she her training that she did for her eras tour was like So insane. She would rehearse her show back to back Like 28 days in a row or something crazy like that So that because she wanted to be unconsciously competent so that she could play Inside of this very difficult task that she has For like burdened herself. We're not burdened herself, but she's taken on um And so yeah, that's Where I want to Where I wanted to be as a teacher Um, and in running my small group sessions like this last summer Before this last summer, I was just consciously competent. I think Um, but just this this past summer I've felt the strongest I've ever felt as a teacher to where like I can play Inside of inside of my teaching inside of working with my kids and it's been a very very cool time Um for me. It's just enjoyable Right, but I get there without the hard stuff without feeling totally embarrassed like wow, I just Nobody can understand me at all And you know Feeling totally just silly like when you tried to explain a concept and nobody really gets it and you're like You know you tend you're tempted to be like it's y'all. Why don't you understand this? you know Would you like bark pet feed would we coach it when I had coaches say that like why don't you understand this like bro? What? Why haven't you told them better like what do you what do you mean? You're the teacher They don't understand it because you didn't teach them Um So yeah, that's um those are the four levels. Uh, where did you read the where did you read that? I don't even know where I got I think I heard somebody say it And they were just talking about it and broke it down. I don't even know if I read it somewhere I just I'm a nerd. I'm a nerd. So I just picked it up somewhere along the way. I feel it. I feel it Yeah, that's great. That's I remember the the first time I read that I read it several times overalls like that was A very simple framework for understanding like where you're at on mass on the mastery like scale try and get somewhere Yeah, and I think uh pivoting back to shootings specifically. See, um, see I got my pivot in there Had a sneak one in there But uh, um pivoting back to shooting I think is I think the mistake we make is going too heavy on the reps and just just sit here and hit corner shots all day and It's cool. It has it's placed But I think we're relying that too heavy and especially if you go to Like the shooters we grew up with about how Ray will talk about he's sitting in the corner all day and just you know She'll get to get on the gun or I have a couple coaches rebound for him. I said they're all they I just do the same thing all day All day And now we've gotten to a point we've elevated and we have trainers and we have science and we have research trying to say hey That's cool. It has its place So now let's mix things up and get a little bit more mentally stimulating with the reps to where you're Provoking yourself to like not even a major thought but it's like just have some level of differentching In your shots, right? It's where now we're able to get better And so how do we get to that place where? Yes, we want to have the reps and want to build up our form and build up consisting in our shot But get to the next step where it's not redundant and we're actually still growing now. So how does that bridge look like for you? Yeah I mean, this is something we learned about or I learned about it in grad school and I'm sure you've heard that the block practice versus variable practice Is what what you're speaking to and I think block practice block practice is great for brand new beginners And also when you're adjusting a skill or adapting a skill Then you want to use block practice so that there's not a ton of variability coming in shots That they can focus just on this one thing without having to to account for variability whereas in between those two stages You very rarely want to take the same shot the same way every single time unless it's like You know your your zen session, which I think are very useful Um like once or twice a week if you want to stand at the top of the key and just have a zen session where you just go thoughtless Right because that is a form of training. It's like can you can you stay the present right? Can you go into that state of flow? Um and you know what helps you get there and you learn from that um and Outside of those times that I think are very useful then adding variability into reps Has been shown To lead to higher performances, right if we if we take two groups and compare them Um, then across all skills right adding variability to the to the task Um helps them perform higher on a post test a post study test or post practice test um And so how do you balance that is you know the another like Sports like where it is desirable difficulty is can you as the coach understand this task is too easy That they're essentially they're making too many shots Um, so how do you add just a wrinkle in there to make sure they stop making so many damn shots Like I've done that there's a 12-year-old named zoe that I worked with one time And I'm like and she I was giving her like pro level I mean like hard so that's hard shot series to do like stuff that some of my pros struggled through Um, and she was just oh my god just killing him And so I told zoe yeah, I was like All right now now you're gonna do the exact same thing, but every other shot I need you to take off the off the backboard Um, you have to use the glass every other shot and she was like Okay And now our handle started getting a little looser. Um, she met she she missed the the move a couple times And you know didn't quite hit every single line Make it too many shots. So it's that's up to me to make sure it's challenging enough um to create just a few Misses a few harder things and not too hard in the other direction where now they're discouraged So it's finding that Goldilocks place of training Hey, hold on. Oh timeout time. I'm real quick. We're gonna get back to the episode I know you enjoying it. I know you're enjoying the show But I need you to help me real quick and to make sure this episode can grow Make sure this podcast is so can grow overall and you can keep getting great guests like this Make sure that you subscribe if I want on so if you watch right now youtube Help me out by hitting the subscribe button. Go ahead and do it real quick If you're listening in your car chill out for a second. Um, if you're on apple or on spotify Just like when you get a moment Hit the follow button, but now right now while you're driving if you're working out of something You're still in your room to go ahead and subscribe with me like help me help you. Okay, but thank you for watching. I really appreciate you Uh, I'm gonna stop interrupting. Did you give it to the episode? Thank you. Yeah, I was I was I forgot where I heard it from but Uh, it's called the zone of proximal development. Mm. Yep. That's the goal. Do that. And I think That's the spot to where I it's just uh Visual somebody posted his illustrations of visual. I saw on instagram And it was like these three different rings or like circles that she's going to it's like comfort zone Uh, and I can't believe can't believe we're in but with the second one Was so it's like right outside your comfort zone is like uncomfortable basically And the zone of proximal development is basically saying you don't want to stretch too far outside your comfort zone to where You basically lose all confidence. You don't feel that you can do it But you want to go far enough to where you're uncomfortable and you stretch yourself to where you can grow And I think that's kind of what you're speaking to where You don't want to sit here and do block practice all day because that's your comfort zone. That's what you can do You already know that you can do that You want to make some some variable practice. I can think of those words for nothing when I was talking about it earlier, but you know the same thing But um, yeah, you want to stick in that Pocket to where the go like I said go locks made this be a little uncomfortable Through your challenging yourself, but not too uncomfortable where I can't do it So just forget i'm gonna go back to what i've done before And it's it's difficult to find a spot because you want to push players, but you don't want to go too far to where And if you get you coach to get this session to get this skill. I just do without It's tough to find out that's sweet by that pocket for each player And I think for you you have at Like a level of like emotional challenges to tap into the player to know where that pocket is So what did you do to develop that awareness for that player? I I I It's time to have it's known when to do Emotional intelligence, I think you know, yes plays into it But my emotional intelligence came from what i've learned You know in how people behave in behavioral psychology and understanding that You know what drives people the psychology of happiness is something I studied at length in grad school and so learning those sorts of things You know giving the illusion of choice to your to your players, you know, what do you want to work on today? You know, we'll do this we're gonna do this they need both, right, but but that So they're not really choosing like you're still choosing for them But they you know giving them the illusion of choice Automatically makes them feel autonomy in front of you and so that creates something safe for them to learn inside of Taking extreme ownership of grabs sub misses saying like this is on me like those sorts of things Weaving them into the way that you present as a coach Or how I learned to weave them in just really came from studying people like understanding what drives people and then from there Obviously individuals have you know, they're good all You know wrinkles to them And you adjust accordingly, but I think once you understand the the base of both What how you can help shape behavior how you can help shape fines I mean I studied I would say school for eight years after high school. That's up to how much you think coach has turned up but But that's how I how I we've been watching as well just pieces into what I deal with is I don't actually teach shooting Okay, like shooting is just medium hmm I like that that's creative Uh, I do want to go back to like one more thing if you're a brand. I guess I could say yeah On your instagram page It says a graceful disruptor What is that? I think it's I think it's wrapped into two different things one is The one of the best pieces of advice I ever got was people are only going to respect your voice as much as you do and Like that's really shaped the way that I present in professional spaces in, you know, specifically in a male dominated space And so that's the first piece to it and also I think that We one of my mission statements in my company everybody works for me Signs off on it. We give people grace whether they deserve it or not That's just who we are And the best people that I've ever known have given me grace one time and times where I probably didn't deserve it and If you're going to shape people People need grace They need it and so how can you be graceful? Um and also demand respect in these circles where you should happen and it takes a bit of courage And so that's where graceful's obstructor comes from is because I you know in a way have disrupted this industry you know, it's people in very few corners of but as people were teaching things like loading the basketball dipping the basketball issue or You know now I have you know seen other shooting coaches, you know Taking language that I'd never heard before Uh before before I used it like crushing the egg for example All all have trainers make posts about you know This and and why that that could be or couldn't be, you know And it's up like that. So it is disrupting in industry some of the stuff I'm building Yeah that I think is going to completely change the way shooting education and Like it's done. It like We haven't been teaching shooting like this fabric um And it's also inside of that Like giving people grace and you know that are that are disrupted by that Um, you know that the minute my comment sections for example Um when I respond to to those dudes, you know what I always imagine is I sit back usually unless I'm having a bad day and I just had time that day Um, usually what I'll do is I'll sit back and I'll be like, all right If I sat next to this dude at a walk And told him I was a shooting coach and then shared this idea with him He would be like, oh my god, you know, like that makes total sense, right? If they got to sit with me in my energy, but because they can't do that and the internet makes everybody weird Um, I just picture that anyway And I speak to them as if they were just sitting next to me kicking it with me at this bar because that's really what they would be like if they met me over life anyway and That's grace That's um, that's understanding You know, people are where they are and people are going to interact and Understand and interact with the world and the only way they know how and You still give them grace anyway and That's where you know The fearlessness of saying something destructive comes from That's where my nonprofit was born changing the game was being invited to speak at a player development conference and they asked me to speak on the women's experience at coaching and so I got there and I told them the women's experience at coaching is being asked to speak at a player development conference I thought what it's like to be a woman and not my expertise and truth with love is If you want to empower women's voices, ask us about basketball um That's disruptive. It was disruptive for the organizers of that conference, but I still was gracious and in the delivery of it And so that's what that means and that's I think if you're not ruffling some feathers, you're probably not innovating either Hmm Remember when I told you earlier this you could take a lot of turns I'm not gonna do it Oh man because you just opened up like three different branches. I wanted to go down, but we're not gonna do it We're going to be Discipline that's what shooters are disciplined and they are focused So we are going to be disciplined And focused and do what we aimed to okay Huh, so That's funny Yeah, so part of I think part of your graceful disruption is What you have coming out pretty soon again. A lot of things going on But the newest one that you have that you're introducing to the world Your new shooting app Talk to me about bane Shoot-a-shoot training at you can search it in the apple app store If you're on an android for some reason you can't you have to get billing for me personally People Jones here and I have It's the greatest thing I've ever built It's it's the greatest it's the greatest thing I've ever It's all of these experiences that we've been talking about in the last, you know, 90 minutes wrapped into Like sitting with an idea for Until it was clear like the the thing I The analogy I heard that made me want to sit with it was You know the the you know rent the like the movie play production print So it's a really popular Like really well-known production the musical type situation And the the man who wrote went wrote it for nine years And held on to it and changed it for nine years before it was in it's one of the greatest productions of all time And so I remember reading that at a time where like I'd always known from from the bottom line that I that I wanted to make an app but I had people tell me like like people don't really use apps and so I was like, well, I'm really Want to create something if you want me to use and then it was true Like there were some apps that I that I wouldn't use every day like like Mike said like jimmy jimmy jimmy Whoops like I use that I used it today, right? And so I've used other ones where I stuck with it and stuff so I knew it was possible But I took everything all my whole background my lived experiences my Like dedication to studying this from a scientific standpoint from data backed research backed Things from doing the studies myself from partnering with with biomechanists and in understanding the the motion capture like the The changing of the angles of the joints and what that could mean learning about biomechanics and anatomy and I took the time to really develop what what I think is is Going to be what anybody who wants to learn how to shoot is going to use to do so in the future and I put it on somebody's phone out of very very Like below market price because another part of my mission statements is people over profits I grew up in a triple wide outside with a cul-de-sac and hoop outside And it's like if I would have had something like this like my parents could have afforded 30 bucks a month as to somebody who teach me how to shoot for real if I really wanted to do this and They couldn't have afforded me the books a month. They just they just they just couldn't know but they could have afforded their and So that's what I created is is it's launching in nine. It's nine days launching in nine days. Um and I think it's really going to flip Things over it like I was scared at first like 10 days ago. I was like man would have nobody buys it Who would have nobody likes it would have I just spent the last three years of my life doing this filming it refilming it resetting it up All that I think that's natural in the course when you're creating simple quick There's nothing. It's the only thing On the market that's anything like it like there's no I mean I'd love to hear. I mean you got to click through it earlier I'd love to hear you know your thoughts on it but me coming from a very ambitious and like a very whole Place of what teaching somebody how to shoot you do for them for their confidence Um even if it's just a dude in his 40s trying to make more shots at the back like Shooting is the grand equalizer investment And how can we give this to people in a way that's going to shape them to like believe they can go through hard things I key if they just keep going with it that they're going to figure it out me Because you only have to move once mastery is t-shaped if you can get mastery in something one time Then like you can figure it out anywhere else if you like and so this is what the app is created for it and it's using the physics, you know for the science of shooting deliberate practice in in the science of teaching and learning mastery Very variability in reps right fixed with the healthy amount of blocks practice and then the psychology of happiness tied into me too It's everything I've ever done all put into a plan to teach people how to make a better change that I understand their shots so they can improve Hmm are you a big rep fan? Yeah So when I hear rappers talk about their first album It's how you're talking about your album. It's like man, it took me You know how they go through interview tour and they're like it's all I want to take you to come up with your first album And it's like man Say that the 28 years old until me 28 years to write this first album and all of them kind of say the same It is my life experiences that I've did up to this point and I just put it all into this album That's a really good way. Like you said it's a it's a level of like leap because whoo I finally Got it mixing master. I got it Too as by the publishers coming out on this day and I'm here And a lot of say the same things like I have a level of anxious around and I get nervous And it could flop I could be you know, everybody from the from the hometown look at me crazy because I only sold two albums and That's all I did but most of them can say like At the same time I did it when most people wouldn't have done it and All you can't do this, man. You can't rap. You can't do everybody wants to be a rapper everything They did everything they hear from the naysayers and negativity that comes from it, but I'm here and jacos said about Forrest he was driving Are you talking about the last track where he's just like 12 minutes like going off big and like ah like we did it man That's real And that's what i'm getting from you. You like you you this is your four-sealed drives like man Oh my god This is my four-sealed drive Oh, you're so right You're so right You got an eternal win like you feel successful before it releases and you you feel this because it's I wish four-sealed was the first album because it connects a little bit deeper, but you get what i'm saying I do. Yeah, a lot of rappers put everything into their first album. So it's like man I I succeeded before the release date. I succeeded before anybody purchase if nobody purchased you feel like you went already And from here and you talk about it the stuff you posted about it so far That's where you're coming from with this like man I did it like I Mama said I couldn't understand your mom said I couldn't do it daddy said I couldn't do it Everybody that I talked to business while I said apps a bad idea I didn't have anybody believe me, but me at first then I got the same then I got this then I got that And the way you're talking about it. That's what reminds me of like a rapper saying man I've done it. So flop a no flop two sales two million sales. I succeeded. So that's what it feels like hearing you talk about the app man. I wish I could Just You know resonate To you the honor I feel But you say but you know and you say that for real I'm I'm really honored by that. I mean I've never really likened it to beat to like being an artist but that's That's really what it is. Like it's something I created from nothing And from lots of something's and and putting them all in order. So well, yes, that's that's a fantastic analogy Um and that's exactly how I feel Listen, I love great analogies. You're a big analogy guy. You know, it's it's going great Yeah, like I I don't think I'm that smart And so I try to make things as simple as possible And I don't think that People understand me that will so I give analogies to make it as simple as possible So a lot of stuff is going to either be sports or music Or whatever I feel like we can connect with so if smart people can't do analogies, but but go off I mean, I mean stupid people stupid people can't give analogies. They're not smart. Not smart people can't do analogies So let me just you know positive self-toxic. You're an intelligent human But continue you're right. You're right. Come on. Speaking of positive and affirmative. You're right. I'm great myself. I got you But yeah, I just try to make things very simple and That's why I love analogies. Yeah, so it's like I'll be a lot of music based stuff. A lot of sports based stuff or whatever I feel like we can connect. That was a fire and I like cars I like okay, you like cars. Let me figure out something. I'm not a big car person. I'm gonna be a car around That fits you, but that's why I do my training. So you like shoes. All right cool Yeah, I feel that whatever fits I feel like I like that Yeah, so like a lot of my business ideas kind of go back to music like The idea I got with my podcast I ain't speaking on it yet, but like the next idea I got my podcast is gonna be like a I'll tell you yeah, yeah, tell me like Yeah, so it's kind of aligned with that. So um Listen about me. It's about your app. So But now going through the app, uh, you have different sections for the day and And Let's let's break down each of those. Um, because I think it's interesting how you title it and how you're going through it Uh, so the first one is science What does that mean for the app and for the shooting? Yeah, so so each day is like a holistic learning experience Um, so it's not just like here's your workout. It's like I need you to understand shooting Understand your body understand how to move before anything else, right? Um, and so how you it's impossible to understand all of shooting in in one little video And so I break that up until it's a little bite-sized pieces 90 seconds or less Here's the thing we're working on today on day one. It's stacking your body. Um, and so that's you know, and I order the days um in As best I can what can help the masses based on what I see because not everybody's gonna need stacking their body on day one Right. Maybe they need an energy transfer on day one But you know when you're serving Tens of thousands of people as I'm hoping to do with this app I mean you have to start somewhere and and I put the bulk of like the meat and potatoes of what most people need to adjust in their shot I put in the first 14 days so that they're gonna see something in the first two weeks that's gonna Likely have have like an aha moment for them So that's the science piece of it is is making sure that we get down to the level of understanding because let me ask you this Can you name another movement that feels like shooting a basketball? Hmm Up top of my head no, but I feel like there is I feel like there's not I feel like there's no other time in your life where you're gonna Do this like edit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, like no other time in your life Are you going to move your body in that way? And so How do you move your body in a way that doesn't make sense? You you help people make sense of it first Um, it's really hard to improve upon something that you don't understand and so we teach them understanding first That's the first level of science on day one is the first thing they see in 90 seconds or less Hmm And that pivots to the one thing which is the one focus for that session, right? Correct. Correct. So that comes from Deliberate practice and skill adaptation researches When you're searching for mastery and we're helping athletes adapt skills you pick one thing at a time and so That's what I assign athlete each day. So again on day one We were able to tie that in very smoothly to stacking your body is okay We've learned about the why we stack our body and so now that's going to be our one thing today is I'm going to stack my body ankles hips and shoulders as I come up So that they come up in a straight line and I'm not leaning forward or leaning backwards I'm going to keep this stacked position through my shot in every single rep that you do today And so not all of them Are tied together in that way because after the first 14 days like I give them sometimes a piece of psychology or a piece of basketball IQ or Some other piece of science that's going to benefit them as a basketball player or as a human Um, but then they still have a deliberate focus inside of their shot each day Hmm So next up to that is lab work Yeah, what is that lab work are It's like I would say eight to ten exercises that they're going to do every week Things like line drops things like There's an intro called in and ups that that helps athletes feel their sequence Um, slow flows having them flow through their body and shoot slowly so they can feel Um, the flow in their in their shot when they speed it up Things like Boomers to help their their hand speed and help the ball move at the same speed off the floor Make sure they're they're balling their hips are going down So all these little like foundational pieces of shooting that they're going to learn about in all the science They can do and execute every single one of their one things Inside of these lab work workouts and so this they're their time for they're really thoughtful. Okay. Let me get You know same eight to ten drills, but they're going to feel totally different Depending on what they're focusing on that day. So now this is less like Moving in in you know getting into different types of variable variability in their shots Now they're having that time as we talked about earlier when you're focusing on just one piece of your shot block practice is good Um, and so that's where the lab work is. Those are like your warm ups Right two or three drills that you do to warm yourself up get yourself oriented to feeling this one thing So it's the day between lab work and work out. What's the day between those? Yeah, so the workout are those are like the the variable practice, right? So I'll have you You know going to a type of shot you're going to take into a game or a more difficult skill than then anything that would be in the lab work Um, and we move them around every day. So like they're not there's not one day that looks exactly the same for 120 straight workouts and That's you know the variable practice. So they might take the same type of shot Because they have to make five, you know make two reps or make five reps You know at one spot before you move on But even if they're making five reps and they're doing a movement before it or into it if it's a jab to shoot Um, then adding movement into that is going to make each rep variable. So it's variability without variability Um, and then they move through the workout. So and then I challenge them like I like into By day like 25 or so like I'm making them do hard stuff like stuff that some people some of these You know young people that are doing it or maybe even some of the people the you know over 30s that are going to download it Like they're going to have to think through it like they're going to challenge themselves But that's where you know by the first 24 days, you're like, okay I'm getting the hang of this and now we add desirable difficulty into it where you got to slow down a little bit Um where you got to challenge yourself a little because now you're now So getting a little bit fun and and you know, I got to move my body a little bit different I think it was just getting easy and so we that's how I wove you know the the Layers of desirable difficulty into the workouts as they move through the days They don't get access to the next workout or the next day until they complete the one report Mm. And before we get to the last part like everything That you just mentioned it's part of what makes it so different because I've bought a lot of different shooting programs just trying to I need to pick and learn from the plate. Honestly That's how I learned a lot of stuff is buying somebody was a program Kind of going through it and getting the feel for certain stuff. I'm like, okay When I'm going through this drill, this is what I feel so if a player tells me x y and z, okay I can kind of relate to it some and say yay, or nay, or this or that whatever it is and I think the core thing that separates it alone is that a lot of trainers will do Formshooting or some type of warm-up. That's kind of The usual there's nothing wrong with it. It's just the usual thing of like do this type of form shooting and it's like all right cool But you completely skip over that and it's like hey This is what we're doing today. We're locking in on this specific thing here And we're going to train this specific thing and then from there We're going to like Rep out the opportunity to get better at this and we're going to actually train overall and get better at this and so that alone is what makes it different from what I've seen and I think Going back to being aggressive with this rupture some people going to be like, hold on. What's my form shooting? Where's yes, where's my reps at and where's this and where's that? It's a little bit awkward because They're not used to the ab normalness of what you're presenting Yeah, and I think so the lab work like is form shooting It's just form shooting in a way that that involves their whole body instead Um, yeah So it's a more whole approach to form shooting instead of standing in front of the basket and just like you know Hold the ball here and doing this over and over again I'm going to put you on a line and make you shoot on a line make you shoot your full Shot right away feeling warming up your entire shot the entire time rather than um, you know just standing there in in getting just a piece of your shot whenever you're trying to warm up your entire body and so You know so if people listening are confused, okay, I warm you up. All right. There's some there's some warmups I don't just throw you into the fire. Like, you know, we'll get your blood We'll get your heart rate going before you you know, have you have to go off Yeah, and I think the the most unique part of this is the last part the act of life What do you think about that? I It is so Overlooked by us as as human beings and especially as trainers and coaches But it's something that's so simple that If i'm a player going through that Like I don't mean it's in the bad way. We're going through the training session selfishly to make it about us But then you end it is like hey Now forget everything we just talked about this ain't about you anymore Basically be at the light of somebody else We get too fixated on the skill part too fixated on the sports performance that we forget the human performance part mentally And I like that add on piece because we can I'm guilty of this too. Like I care about the human being but when it comes to um I get too busy sometimes or too skillsy that Sometimes in that moment I forget like all this human being that i'm dealing with and talking to Yes, I don't think I always go too far but I have pockets where it's like Take a step back This is a 13 year old girl you're talking to Think about it from that perspective like what can you do to set her up? so 43 year old her can look back and be like man. I appreciate it working with coach be back in the day because He cared about me as a human being and i'm always mindful and cognitive of that But I think sometimes I can still have room for improvement to do even more on the human side of things. So that's that's a reminder for me to be like, all right Let's develop their character as well as the skills of what they are too Yeah, I mean wait, I mean we kind of touched on it earlier But like shooting is is not actually basketball is not actually what our job is for teachers and I think My good friend of mine um DB. He's a He and I sat down and had this conversation too about like how it's it's really easy for us to forget that basketball is not our job Like our basketball is just our medium and it's our job to shape people where like we we become I I put something out on this not too long ago, but there's lots of coaches in the industry who are who Focus really hard on becoming great technicians before they focus really on becoming great teachers and Our job is to teach um and so at the foundation of teaching like If you're going to call yourself a teacher, then you're a teacher in everything that you do But you can't turn it off you're a teacher. That's that's just who you are Um, and then it's your responsibility to become better at it Because you've been given this gift that not everybody is given and That's Yeah, where the act of light came from is is how do I shape these young people as humans? Um, and not just as basketball players. How do I? With just a couple little videos Maybe just have an impact much greater than whether their jump shot goes in or not on this stupid orange ball You know that that connects us from all across the world all across space and I read this book. Um Sean a core was the author. It was called the the happiness advantage and It he beautifully lays out All of this data and i'm really data driven. Uh, so he beautifully lays out all of this data on how um Success isn't a driver of happiness. Um, it's actually the opposite It like meta analysis of hundreds of thousands of of participants and studies and all this that says Happiness is actually a prerequisite to six to most success You can have limited success by prioritizing productivity and in the bottom line and and boom boom boom boom um but The companies that prioritize their athletes or their their employees happiness and their own happiness um Over the the bottom line those companies Tend to succeed in the long term. They don't always have spikes like super extreme, you know, make a million dollars in the first year um But they have the slow burn upwards and so Yeah, I prioritize my athletes happiness like happy shooters tend to make more shots like wellness and performance is highly correlated as wellness goes up so does performance and This is how I make people better shooters as well is but for everything their happiness and working on that too I have this uh Not will thought out theory about emotional shooting And I have to sit down and think about it more but um It kind of goes back to how when So shooters are very interesting to me because the ones who can shoot the best Doubt themselves the most And they Don't feel like they can shoot as well as they do and it's so hard on themselves about it And it's like yo, you have the green light you can shoot. I just missed two who cares shoot the next five They don't believe that they can shoot as well as they can Because they're wired to be so disciplined and so fixated on The mechanics almost so fixated on like certain things That they miss the forest for the trees or whatever how the magic Yeah, it's like yo Stop focusing on this these two it's two misses. It's literally two one and two the first two you missed And we're in the first quarter We're in the first half of the first but we even got you even broke a good sweat yet Keep shooting the ball And they get so wrapped up into that if they could learn to be a little bit more Uh a calm and even killed about their shot and not get so emotional They would just be a better shooter Because what the shooters do they shoot. They don't get too fixed. They don't have see I brought a bad full circle for you They don't get too high Is this the name of the movie? Is this where they got the name of the movie? Oh, man But yeah, so um It's it's it's so interesting to me man because I deal with different shooters I'm like bro shoot the ball like I don't know what it's to tell you shoot the ball And it's so many different layers of how you have to get them to realize that And I have to think it out more to where I can explain it better But emotional shooting is a very big thing for them and breaking through that wall is a challenge man I have two things for that that Over the course of my career. I've found to be incredibly great perspective shifts for athletes Um that I welcome you to steal um, the first part is like Do they get in this you'll see this in the app um, there's there's um One one of the days has this as a science piece and then has this as a deliberate focus too Do you get emotional reps? like Or don't you like do you put yourself in that position where you're thinking about Um, the crowd And you're really visualizing the person in front of you that you hate guards you the most like your most hated defender Where if you get a bucket on him like you're really feeling yourself and you get stopped by him You're like super freaking frustrated. Um, like can you put yourself there? During practice and if you don't do that Then you're only doing half the work because you're not actually preparing yourself For the environment that you know you're going to be playing in Um, and that's hard to do like an only the athlete can do that We can't do that through that for them. We can we can remind them We could say keep yourself there keep keep you know for Emma It was nekah gwumike was her most respected defender that she'd ever played against and so she I was like I need you to keep nekah right in front of you. Like I need you to make that shit personal and That's part of it right like athletes aren't cute to train necessarily like that like you and me You know like I had to all I had was my imagination in my cul-de-sac with the sunflower field And the sun peeking through of the flower like all ahead was my imagination now every kid has a training And so they don't have the space and the freedom to put themselves there. So it's our job That's part of our training. We need to do it then once they achieve a certain level of mastery That's the first part of it. The second part of it is most of those kids That that missed the first couple of them and then Don't want to shoot even though they have the green light, especially those kids that have the green light The way I reframe it for them is I just ask them like why you know, why are you doing that? You're hesitating because you're probably that's an unselfish thing of you to do Right like you're trying to not be selfish. I don't want to take this other shot. I just missed them on it Like sorry guys, you know So I'd rather pass it because I'm trying to be unselfish in that moment like is is that fair to say and they always say yeah Yeah, of course, of course, and I'm like, okay Well, what you're actually doing Is you're not being unselfish at all you're making that entire moment about you And in your fear and you're not Wanting to fail And so now your post players don't know they can count on you to catch and shoot when you're open because they don't know what your mood's gonna be Right. And so you are you're not being selfish. You're you're not being unselfish. You're being scared Like and I get it but we stay our fear in the face and we have a conversation with it instead And we don't let fear dictate what we do next and so I'm sorry objectively. It's gonna suck to miss shots You're gonna go over four over six that's gonna happen to you because it happens to every shooter in the world Steph Curry one of my favorite seccary stats is Two seasons ago. He started the season. Oh for 24 from the three point And he's Steph Curry. So if it happens to him It's gonna happen to you little Johnny or a little Jane And so stop being so selfish and shoot the ball when you're open Even if it means you've risk failure over and over and over again And so those two reframes or the strategy of emotional reps and that reframe I have I've had a ton of success and like getting through to those athletes and and finding out from their parents You know three games later. Like yo, she just hit 40 because she just didn't stop shooting and i'm like That's That's part of it. So yeah, like Acts of light doing them every day. It makes things as you said Less about you so that spotlight effect Of thinking everybody's watching me all the time. I can't embarrass myself. Everybody's thinking about me when most people really are thinking about you They're really not They're really not. It's so when we when we act as a light outside of ourselves that becomes ingrained in How we move um how we how we move into our own mistakes or through them So Yeah, i'm hoping it's a life changer a shot changer for sure um But but a A life-changing way to interact with the game of basketball and shooting a stupid orange ball over and over again Um to see what we can learn about who we are Well, look I could I could really go on here for another four hours with you because I have so many Alabama Yeah, I'm Alabama. You know, baby. I was just in Georgia But I'll tell you what next time I spend some time in Georgia. I mean y'all that's not that far, right? No Yeah, so we'll have to we'll have to figure something out dude. This was great Nerits, you know It's like yeah, there are few I feel like they're few and far between the basketball Like real nerds, you know what I mean? I I was telling my home girl. I'm like I don't think people understand the type of people I want to be around I think about his business for basketball's business, but those two things podcasting and like Personal development psychology type of stuff. That's really all I think about like 24/7. So I can't hang around people who want to like do gossip and like stuff like that if that's which I don't I don't knock it But I need I'm not around me who can just Oh, no, I absolutely knock it. Why are you like y'all gonna have nothing good to say Nobody, I don't I don't I like it because I know to stay away from you. That's what I use That's my looking to test like oh cool. I see where your head's at and what you're probably gonna be saying about me Looky Exactly. So it's like cool You talk about the latest thing on the news and I just think about basketball all day. We're two different people You probably think I'm weird for thinking about basketball cool. You don't mess well. It's fine. Whatever Yeah, yeah, I love it and I'm it's funny like I feel so validated by you saying that because there's times where I'm like trying to talk about like this cool, you know, this amp that I just came out with and you know This is what happened in my business and I just hired but I just got my core four team I got my sales guy my you know my software engineer and my you know My creative director and then my rover like like I got my people in and You know, then they're like What's the last movie you watched? I'm like I Did the one about the the James Webb space telescope actually Have you seen that? Dude I don't know if you're into space like that. I'm really into space. But it's um, it was like the greatest the greatest scientific achievement of the of like Though our generation generational like they they sent a tell a giant the biggest telescope That they've ever put into space. They made the biggest one and then they flew it a million miles Into the towards where they think the big bang happened Into the unit into the gap out of the whatever into space And so then and then it had to mechanically they had to mechanically from the earth Open it up so that it could reflect light only to that dark area where they had no idea what they were going to find Um, and it worked it had a it had a hundred and ninety four Single point failures meaning there were 194 things that could potentially go wrong That even if just one of them goes wrong the entire mission fails They had 194 the most dangerous mission before was one of the Apollo's and it had like 24 single point failures And so the james web space telescope had 194 and so it was an impossible Project um and they sent it up in a space and it worked And so I don't know if you've noticed that in the last year Like on instagram or whatever now we're seeing some of these pictures of space that look like other worldly They look crazy like way more detailed than we've ever seen and those are real images of things we've never seen before um, so our understanding of like the galaxy and how it was for the universe and how it was formed is like They're just learning things that they had never even seen both never even understood before so That's the last movie. I watched another two asked but That was a pretty good one James last night else. Yep. You guys check it out It is interesting to like I'm like You know, it became like Kind of like this cultural thing lately of people saying they're safe your sexuals, which is like basically they're They love I've never seen anybody say that almost almost bragging about being one What is that? It's basically you really enjoy learning like basically you're a nerd basically and I decided to call it as a p.o. Sexual. Oh my god. Somebody on tiktok came up with that No, it's a legit thing like it's it's a legit term I've heard it a few years ago, but Forever reason is to come you know how you know how stuff goes. It just it catches on and then it becomes this little thing and I think I don't know where the popularity in it came from but nine times out of ten If you if you have to promote that true one, you're probably not one. It's like And then you can tell who people really are nerds to use that word before but like Like the random thing you're talking about to tell us cause like no, I haven't seen it, but now I'm like I'm intrigued by it now. Like I know a lot of random things So watch you're gonna be fine That's probably real now because I just like random stuff I just know about because it piques my interest like I wonder how this thing operates and works And then I get too interested and I end up Googling it and figuring out how I work and I go down a whole rabbit hole Like what this word means and where this came from and like Oh, okay. Cool. And now I know it. I have no interest in actually doing anything with this information, but I just know it now Absolutely Depends what it is. I bet. Well, it sounds like it could be just about anything I know we can mess try mess trivia Oh, man, if it's like certain pop culture stuff, um, I'm terrible. Not yet. Not that country. I guess that is a popular trivia But like just random things like yeah, just like why do you know that? Actually, I don't know how I know that or why it's taking up space My brain You heard of the egg no bell price Hmm That's a good one too It's the they give up. It's like the the upside down of no bell price The scientific discovery is at first making black and then making big So they gave an egg no bell price for somebody who did a study on the liquidity of cats Like why why cats can fit into any shape? Or um, there was one guy who made a bra that doubled as a gas mask So that's that's that's the big baby have a whole like Awards ceremony where scientists just excellate and say look at this So I one doctor practice only has left knuckles for 50 years because it's once holding one time that If he cracked his knuckles, he was going to get arthritis. So we came a doctor and he cracked his knuckles for 50 years and then study uh You know his answer at the time and gone that there was no difference when any of the scenes So that's what I call petty that that is that is got to be the pinnacle of petty Take that. I I don't think anybody can talk that like 50 years That's wild But now we know Thanks to his parents. We now know that that is just a meal So there's a purpose All right, um See we messed up the deed floor. That's crazy But not so um One thing I thought about though, when it is after his life Because it is a disruptor and it's a little bit outside of the norm is that somebody's going to say hey She just kind of gasps us up. Like this isn't really It doesn't really work. Like while why would me being at the flight make me a better shooter What is this whole one thing? We have to get all these reps saying we have to do all okay So how do you shut those people up? Like there's somebody who said this thing won't work What is what is your response to that? Yeah, I think that Everybody's not for everybody And that's okay And if it's not for you, then it's not for you and I don't judge you for that and It doesn't make anybody a bad person or a hater or whatever, but I have so much confidence in The thoughtfulness the intention of the care that I Made sure that this isn't just like hearsay or arbitrary moves in arbitrary Drills that you can find anywhere to do um That I have so much confidence in what I've created that like the idea of somebody being when they say it was like If there isn't an a-sayer then I probably didn't do something big enough and So if there are naysayers then Which I've I've come up against and I'm not with not on the app front, but just in shooting in general That's okay We just represent it and we give those people grace whether they can do it or not I think the biggest thing you can do is like showing the receipts so Not you just the testimonies and like hey I've had these people go through and this is what they said And I think the most interesting part about it is you've had wmba players go through it Things that you have NBA coaches take a part of it too, right? Yeah, I've done Yeah Consulting with with wba NBA coaching on individual athletes When I looked at my users that have already downloaded the app before it's you know Any of the plans or anything or at least there was there was an NBA coaches That I don't want to reveal who that is just very, you know, I don't know if I'm allowed to But I know That that wasn't gonna be a coach because I saw their name and email uh, but and so When you see something like that and I mean you have the The work is working my kids are I got can I read you once a day that I I an email I got just right before Um, we got on here. I was cheesing and that's probably why I cried. So the first thing you said on here because I was already just guessed uh But this was like from a parent uh, the kid that I just had in in one four day versus that I had in North Carolina and This is from his dad. He said I bring in and I just had the mind to say to you a message today as I sit in my office I want to tell you how much you can't help passing and this kid was like the most stoic 12-year-old I've ever met in my entire life like the man still little man said nothing Like I didn't know if he hated the camp or it'd be he liked it Like I had no idea and so this was like a kind of a surprise for me Uh He said he maintains that this was the most beneficial camp he's attended And he did a lot of camps over the last year His confidence was increased significantly and he has done his best to do the workout He wrote of at your camp and board. He is currently playing in a 3d 3 league where at this past week He put up 40 points in 12 minutes I'm most proud of the fact that the organizer intentionally gave him the weakest set of players And he hasn't pouted and still intended to be undefeated They had one loss and he responded the next game with that Haven't done a lot of recording of him, but I'll start next week hopefully Take care Sign of that and it's like I had that kill for four days It just helped him understand some show that was it That's the whole thing in much more group sessions that are going Art we're just going to teach you how to understand your side in a way that like makes sense you're gonna even make sense of it and That's what this act is is nothing is going to replace the reps right like as you know in this email like If this app isn't built for somebody that's not trying to be in the gym Like it's not like if you're going to try and do one of these workouts every 10 days then You know, I think you're still going to like it. You're still going to learn an experience And that could be good for the for the casual better We've got a We played free for that so many but he just wants to get you know one new workout a week like that's great I think you're still going to enjoy it, but like I'm so confident that if somebody moves through this app That they're going to be a better shooter that I'm I'm willing to bet the last year of my life that make it payroll every Friday for my team And having 15 dollars in my bank accounts do so to make sure this thing gets built on time and bark, you know It's been hard like it's been really hard like I've sacrificed Everything to make sure this is built in a way that accurately represents why I'm in There's something else That nobody knows about that I haven't more given. That's almost done I'm building an AI for shooting And We're literally almost up to where athletes are going to be able to to take their own video So this is the first thing I can't I can't believe I'm telling you if you're not. I'm literally happy. I have told anybody They're going to take a video of their own shot and have it pulled up and they're going to answer a series of questions And with each question that they answer it's going to map their answers into You know a mechanism that that we've created but that my software engineer mostly, you know created And then at the end of the test it's going to tell them the strengths their weaknesses their places to And then it's going to suggest A custom built plan that I've already built inside of the app To tailor to their specific needs And it's free Hmm Put your email in get access access and your height you have seven days to complete this Works for you. You want to stay back City learning about your show this way You can you don't want to but we do at least you have something tangible That can treat you Because it cost me like Three fractions of the penny like three hundreds of the penny for one person to run the test And We've been out here working So that's the next layer to that is a video upload Which my software engineer who has his own AI agency It's crazy. He just built this one day didn't tell me like he just was like, hey I saw this this this shot breakdown died you gave so Then tragic it yet or whatever open AI had this latest update So I saw that and then I just you know put it in here and and now here's this thing that we got you want to build it Because they called me on a Wednesday. I was like, what are you talking serious right now? And So yeah We started building it and We're hoping to watch it in January In It's industry leading Like That's just crazy like from Am I in tech now? Am I in tech now? Am I in tech waiting? Hey There's there's just yeah, it's boundless. It's absolutely boundless and my team But be able to take care of my team in a way that like I've always wanted to my friends like I really the reason I want to make a bunch of money is not like It's because I want to just do a bunch of cool shit with my friends Like let's all go on a cruise. I got it. Come on And you know buy my parents their dream house back and then Pay off my student loans and bitch my niece and go to like all the things we didn't have it, right? I just want like me and all my people to have that in so I'm Yeah, I'm in a really interesting like personal space of journey. I the last time I had a drink It's in jep july of this past year. So I'm about five or six months over Because I just one day decided that I'll have a drink again if I want to whenever I'm a billionaire Okay, so I just thought it got locals. It's like what do we celebrate? Yeah, bro, you know and I see I it's so strange like I stopped eating but I only bread on Fridays now. I just like one day decided Okay, I'm not drinking and I'm only getting bread on Fridays and it's like these little ways of testing my discipline So that I can be the leader I need to be for the team that I want to protect and grow in Built things with like this. So I'm in my business lady era I'm in my business lady era It's That It's not not necessarily that it has to be a secret like, you know, my software here is everything we can tell people but I just haven't Man earth off That is what you call a grace for this router um I mean secondly is like it almost feels like I've known you for a while like Like the level like Oh, no, like you telling me that did something to my like brown proud of you like it's almost like the home you found a scene Come up and it's like bro. I I seen you do your thing man. That's how I feel right now. I'm like man like I seen you struggle with this relationship in the past and you finally found the right one for you That moment like man. You got the wedding seeing them You've never seen the smile. This this happy before you never seen a laugh this way before and like that that warm Loving feeling you have on the inside. That's kind of what I have right now. I've like I can see you On the other side is like you feel so happy right now like man you can almost taste that next level Like you write that the door and it's right. I can see like you you put a lot into it and so for the next phase of what you got coming Like I'm on I'm on a bench right now. I just like Go like do your thing like I see her doing her thing like man That's what it's feels like right now seeing you Talk about what you got going on. It's so cool. Like It's nice man. Yeah, that's great. No, I feel very seen and heard and cared for You know Yeah, like the same way like pervert listen like I've never met him like this is This is the first time we've we've like really interacted like this so Yeah, that's that's real That's so real. So I appreciate I appreciate you. I appreciate you like Being consistent and like being like not okay, but are we really gonna I know you're busy, but we should probably talk about this. We should probably talk about this Um And so yeah, I I'm so glad that we did this And we talked about it. I mean you did an excellent job Like shaping this conversation like I mean you're really really good at this I mean, this is one of the better podcasts. I'm maybe the best one I've ever I've ever like Experience it, you know and because it can it's so easy in podcast to be so surface Um, it'd be like this what i'm Because what I usually say this is like well, you know the questions how they usually go and and yeah I mean you you just did an excellent job doing this like you're really in your like for real I really appreciate that You know like I like because you know that takes one of no one like yeah totally we find each other We probably find each other So yeah, it's it's I can tell you put a lot into it because a lot goes into doing this and You know like step prayer makes you look easy Because you don't see the workout he did before you don't see his off-season work So here you talk about getting Engineering doing it. I know that's not easy. That's that's I think that's another reason why I feel That celebration for you because I know it's not easy Like I know the work. I thought about putting out my own shooting program It's like the level of thought you have to do to like just On the basketball side to get it done and make sure it flows and make sure you want to steal it from Beginner to pro and all stuff that goes into it on that and then instruction in a business Do you want to do a app? Do you want to do a pdf? You want to do this? Do you want to do that? Do you want to do video series and like all the stuff that goes into it? I understand the pain. I understand the struggle. That's part of why I haven't done it because it's a lot that goes into it Bro, it's a lot. I mean and it's 1400 pieces of content That we that we have that we've had to create and then recreate and then recreate and then You know fix the cat. I mean like my like I said my my team is just Insane like they are just doers like me and they've done it They've had my back like and because there's been times in the last six months where like You know, I I didn't have it And I had to like just tell them like y'all know I got you But I don't have it today for you and I'm so sorry like I need you to take this week off and I got you And I'm gonna figure this out and I'm so sorry and there and every single one of them look at me and Just understand me and my heart and like They're like stop it. Like it's okay. Um It's fine You got us. We'll take the week. I'll take a vacation and we'll get back on this next week and so the grace they've they've carried for me Through all of this Like I couldn't have done it without them. I I mean And so being able to to feel the momentum of this so that I can really take care of them So they don't have to worry about anything because they had me I mean, that's the part I'm I'm most excited about like forget that like all the ramen noodles and eggs like I've done it I've done it for most of my career as a business owner Um And I'm not afraid to go back there to make sure my team is good and so this the the potential for this the I mean throwing an AI in they this year too like What that's going to bring and open up as far as You know sponsors and funding and and and what I mean like mark is is my my my engineer. He's I mean He's been doubted His whole career, which is something that is just bananas to me because he's like this. He's one of the smartest guy that ever met Tina and jay, I mean I could go on and on about all of but um yeah, it's going to be as a a caretaker like just by nature There's nothing that is more fulfilling than being able to take care of the people like that you want to take care of and to be received in that way is is is really special and so wrapping that all up into To being able to impact people in this way at this kind of scale is I mean It's it's unfathomable like for me like I I It's hard to wrap my head around it, but I know that it's big and We're here. It's nine days away. It's it's we're here. It's it's happening Yeah, so Another people are kind of like all right y'all keep talking about the app but like Where can I get it? So I'm gonna have to link for him below. Um Man, it's a lot. We've covered a lot of a lot that we touched on and it's crazy This this is probably my longest one. I know Yeah, I'm saying one or two that's been about two hours. So uh Yeah, that's my longest win. Yeah A long time. Yeah, it's yeah, it's been great. It's I mean We I mean like I said, we find each other It's like one of those one of those moments where it's like, okay like easy Yeah It's been fun. Um Any of you want to say to the people? Whether it's about the app about you about business about shooting about life Any final message you want to have for anybody out there? um Just the willingness to sit with an idea is something I've been really been resonating with the willingness to to know that something is there But it's just not there yet Like everybody's felt that at one point and giving yourself time to think on that Interesting, it's going to present itself if you continue to sit with it Like that's where the best that's where epiphanies come from and so if you have an idea and it's not fully formed But you know, there's something big there like sit with it Write it down Trust that it's going to form when it needs to form in like Don't brush it away. Um Because I'm just I'm just a teacher Like that's that's all I like I am and I'm just a teacher was willing to sit with an idea for long enough to maybe Flip an entire culture of the way people learn to shoot a basketball. That's so random but that's what I would say is All of this came from being able to sit with something that was supposed to exist anyway Um, just couldn't yet Well, this this has been uh a person one of the personal favorites of mine because I'm Genuinely a fan of yours like it's not too many trainers that I actually sit down and look at and I'm like like there's trends that I respect and I like and I think they're amazing like Like top tier trend like they're golden at what they do But then there's another section that I feel like I could personally get along with And I don't mean to put me on some pedestal another, you know, everybody has that feeling of like I can get along with these people Yeah, of course and you're one of the few that I saw and I'm like I feel like we could work together. We could be homies. We could We could work and that that's the thing that drew me to you probably the most is that yes, you're knowledge about shooting like there's a lot of shooting coaches out there Shout out to them there. They're incredible about what they do. And so I've learned from 11 They're amazing. I'm not saying better or worse. They're just right. It's just different from what I received compared to you And I'm like, okay first off the Keeping on the basketball side because that's an issue with drew me to you like oh, she's dope at teaching this stuff Like she's amazing with it. She's something unique. I've never heard this up before That's a check mark for me. I like I like uniqueness. All right, cool. Of course Then I follow along like oh she seems like super cool like another check mark and then it's like this like this smashing point of where You Like it's genuine Like you genuinely care about the players that you're working with and you can tell like You don't have to say any of your posters. You can tell when the the trainers like Really rocks with who they're working with And as a matter of it's my first time with you. Oh my 100th time Which you're gonna end you my a little bro a little sister you can tell And that shines through you because I remember one post it's probably one of my favorite ones Yeah, that's I was gonna ask you like what what are a couple of the ones that like stick out in your head that That made you feel that way Uh, so the one that uh because I did this to an obsession where uh You had It's like in a gray gym gray white gym And you got shooting the corner and he was just bricking bricking you came over like oh Talk about my bed. I I messed up. This is my fault You know what? I told you the wrong thing. Let's correct it and do it this way. They say no cash cash to drop drop drop And I've done that so many times with fans where Let's do this with your shot. Let's do this with your four or do whatever And then they keep missing and it's like, you know what If you're trying to what's smart you probably would have figured it out sooner and I I take a hundred percent of the blame Yeah, and I was like, hey, I know the people did that. I thought it was like a weird meat thing And I saw that I'm like, okay I rock with her And I like she she she gets it Yeah, that post changed my whole life It's it's between the two times I posted it. It's at like 45 million views Um stuff curry followed me after I posted that um That that one that one moment that I happened to get on camera film the whole session, you know, like that's how I knew we missed for 15 minutes straight um if That one post changed my whole life I went from having 2000 people following me to to 98,000 people following me in two weeks It and it was like that That same thing like I've been building content for two years And I've been taking it seriously for two years and I had 2,000 like 200 people who cared who cared at all Um, but because I've been taking it seriously for two years for me That one thing popped off and now they had a library of understanding whoever it was um And then that gave me an opportunity to respond to the comments with the strategy of pretending I was just sitting next to a bar and That let people see who I was Really in in the way I responded and that's what made people stick around um So that's cool. And so you said you said that one in the gray jib that was in sweden And then you're you're gonna say a different one Now it's nothing that you had recently that I told you about that I was like man. I appreciate this one because it's helped my player out Yeah, oh we talked about it kind of today. Yeah, early. Okay. Yeah So that that's the most recent one that I was like Thank you because I said something and it clicked for her and it's like I And you said she went off, right? Like Yeah, she went off and she went, uh, I think five four eleven in this game. Come on Yeah Eleven's a lot shots vivir I know but that's the thing you know, like the team shoots a lot and She was getting frustrated like we talked about early because she put ten the most work of everybody on the team but she's not seeing the results. I'm like You're not seeing results because you know, even putting the effort towards Seeing it And she just couldn't get past that her own mental hurdle of like I don't want to miss because I don't want to miss takes and you know how that'll wrap up. Yeah, of course And I did my little analogy and I I feel like I unlocked one gate and it made sense But then I unlocked the second gate when I sent her your post And it the floodgates went open after that and she just went five four eleven. Let's go Yeah, so part of me was like a little jealous because I'm like, hold on bro. Like I'm here I said the similar thing like what like bro, what is this? I put I put a little bit No, no, I feel it I get it. I mean, I think if we didn't have a little bit of Of like a teeny sliver of ego involved, it would be really hard to be great Um, I think managing the ego is like where the skill is but like you have to have A little bit like that like damn like I said the same thing I just said Yeah, that's how I feel but overall I felt like I like that's like my little sister so I was super proud of her overall and like I'd much rather have the outcome and I don't get a hundred percent credit then She does half of what she could do now and I think I'll take the credit for that So I'll write the half her go five four eleven and go crazy Then to be stuck at 0 for 2 1 for 3 type of games because she didn't unlock that landscape Yeah, so that's why I had to show you love it like yo, what you did was amazing And I appreciate that because you helped me be a better trainer by making her shine so Thank you. I got to give you flowers on that because you're you're Amazing at what you do. It's just two teachers connecting to I helped their student beautiful. Thank you man. It's been great. It's been great You All right, you gotta get out of here. Yeah, yeah, well, I've enjoyed this. I'm excited to Yeah, see how you grow and see how how I can help it how we can help each other um on the way up networking across is What I'm in the chapter of doing so yeah, I'm sure well And I like Alabama. I like southern people in general, you know like just a southern hospitality is a little bit a little bit different southern comfort is got a little bit different feel to it not that I don't like the east coast of the west coast but you know there's something uh something about Being from the south and understanding like um the different Yeah, just the comfort there southern comfort. So yeah, we'll put some together fishing. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me This was great And I appreciate you coming on here taking time out to do it with me Um, like I'm a fan. So this is a different level of appreciation. So uh And I wish you great success on the app and You know, we're gonna do something moving forward. So we'll figure it out. It's gonna be the last time they're gonna see you Yeah, it's gonna be something we did together again. So yeah, we'll figure it out. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys for listening. See you on next one [BLANK_AUDIO]
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