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Join the SoundUp Pod Squad simply by liking our Facebook following us on Blue Sky. Yes, we're on Blue Sky now, Instagram, X, and signing up for our weekly newsletter at SoundUpPod.com. This is SoundUp with Mark Goodman and Alan Light, the only music podcast that matters. Hey, I'm Mark Goodman. And I'm Alan Light. And on this episode of SoundUp, Carrie Colliton, our old friend co-founder of Record Store Day, joins us to discuss some of the big releases hitting stores on Black Friday. I have a review of, yes, one of the final Taylor Swift concerts on the era's tour, which I made the trip up to Toronto to catch. Also, my take on the new Beatles documentary, Beatles 64, which is premiering this Friday on Disney Plus. Oh, man, that might be why I might have to subscribe. OK. Plus, I do have a review of the Soul Shine benefit for Hurricane Relief at Madison Square Garden on Sunday night. Cool, and you got there. Yeah, plus music news on Fleetwood Mac. Coach Shella, Drake, and Jack Antonoff and our new music picks of the week. Before we get into all that, just a quick reminder, we are getting set out to close out season one, year one of SoundUp with our final mailbag show of 2024. It will drop on December 31st. That's right. This is your chance to ask us anything. Send in comments on season one and guest and topic suggestions for season two on SoundUp. Yes, of course, there will be a season two of this little podcast here. We have some great stuff already planned, some new segments, a lot more interviews, conversations, live events and more coming up. To be part of our holiday mailbag episode, send your questions or comments to connect@sounduppod.com. All right, Alan, I've been waiting for this, your chance to once more, chat about Taylor and review one of the final performances on her Ear's tour, one of the biggest tours of the year, decade, century, probably. Keep going. Yeah, right? Melania. I will try to contain myself because I could do this for a long, long time. But I did make one final trip last week to get in on the second to last stop on the Era's tour. I went up to Toronto. Taylor sold out six nights over two weekends at the Roger Center Stadium in Toronto. This weekend in Vancouver, the final stop on the Era's tour, just over two years after she announced the biggest tour of all time, potentially when the numbers are added up, taking in $2 billion will wind up and we'll see what comes next for the greatest pop star of our time. And what am I going to say? What am I going to come here and say? It is the greatest show on Earth. It is, you know, the spectacle, the production, the performance are absolutely beyond belief set. A new standard for what this scale of show can look like and can do. I saw her early on in the tour, one of the early stops at that giant stadium. Since then, of course, there's a whole new section of the show because Tortured Poets Department came out and there was a new era to address and incorporate. So does that just mean it went longer? Well, she dropped some songs, which, you know, she plays 40 songs. It's pretty petty to complain about any songs that are missing, though there are songs that I miss. It runs a little longer. It's about three hours, 20 without a break, other than the costume change breaks. And it's, you know, the whole thing, what it has become, the rituals within the show, the way that this tour takes over a city. I mean, my plane was clearly half the airplane was flying in for these shows. Oh, my God. When you hit the throne airport, you could just see coming out of each gate. The whole airport felt like it was in town for these Taylor shows. There were city streets were renamed. Police horses were wearing friendship bracelets around their necks. The subway system had signs that just said, you know, Taylor Swift with an arrow. That's all you need for everybody was going. And that it lives up to that, that it delivers that, that it is this anticipated, this feverish, you know, people flying in from all over the world for this show. And then everybody walks away, ecstatically happy with what it is that she performs. We got a really lucky night on the surprise songs. We got her duetting with Gracie Abrams, the opening night. The one time that they did this, they sang us from the previous album, which has got a Grammy nomination. So that was a, you know, a big moment as the surprise song. Stay up to date on the latest in music. Listen to sound up with Markleman and Alan Knight. It was remarkable to witness. I got to visit family who I love, shout out. My cousin Rob, who's a regular listener and is listening right now, waiting to see what I'm going to say was great to see those guys. So the whole thing was super easy to do. And Vancouver this weekend, and that is it. End of the era's tour. You know, it is, we'll move on in just a second, but I, that for someone to be able to command the audience in a stadium, the way that she does, there's not, not everyone can do that. That's a certain something to be able to make it feel intimate. Yeah, I mean, intimate, I don't know. It's such an emotion. Like it's such a everybody's in it together. You're watching it as much with the people around you as with whatever is happening on stage. It's, you know, the experiential piece of it has become so much larger than, you know, than one artist. But to do, not just to do it, to do it six nights in the same, in that same stadium over and over. Yeah. It's really, it's astounding to see it. It's obviously broken every record for every, however you do the metrics, number of tickets, value of the tickets, total sales, you know, it's the biggest thing anybody's ever put on a stage. Right. And the construction of this show, because it reviews her whole career in the way that it did, really allows like she could do anything starting next week. Like she has a clean slate, everything is caught up, she can go wherever she wants to go. Be interesting to see where, in fact, she does go. I think she's got to disappear for a little while. Very little while. This is not somebody who believes in downtime. Don't expect her to be away for long. I love that. I got to attend a show, nothing like that stadium show with Taylor. But a really amazing show on Sunday night here in New York City was a benefit show called Soul Shine, and a benefit for hurricane relief. So that is both for Florida and for Asheville. And it was basically a jam band show. Goose opened the night, Dave Matthews band, Nathaniel Radcliffe, Warren Haynes. Also a bunch of special guests, Derek Trucks was there, Susan Tedesky was there. And it was hits. Goose doesn't really have any hits, but Derek came out and played with Goose. And it was amazing. Then Susan came out and was playing with them. And Goose so Goose did sort of the first third of the show, some special guests, they went off. Then it became Warren Haynes for a while. And then Derek came out with Warren, and they're doing things like they did with Warren and Derek together. Shakedown Street, which I thought was kind of a cool cover. And whipping post. So say I had to do some Almond Brothers. Right? Not a surprise. But here's the funny thing. There's two things that happen as far as that goes. We're sitting next to a bunch of people, and I was flipping about whipping post, and she's going, God, what is this song? I never heard this song before. Wow, you're in that audience. And you don't know that song. Right? So I'm okay. And the same thing with Nathaniel Radcliffe too, who I went to see. And people were like, wow, he's pretty good. I never saw him before. So I guess a good night for for Nathaniel. So Warren Haynes and Derek trucks doing that and whipping post, as I've said in the past, amazing, fantastic. Those guys are ridiculous players. They did an insane job. I saw the Almond Brothers do it. What am I going to say? Fair enough. But you can't see the Almond Brothers. Exactly. And it was close, really, really exciting. I don't mean to diss their performance. The two of them were doing it as the front line of the Almond Brothers for a whole lot of years. Yes, that's like they never did it before. That's true. So also, so Dave Matthews was there. And after Warren and Derek finished doing their set, they sort of shut down. They were showing, as you would imagine, some sort of things to highlight where these funds are going to go in Asheville, showing footage in Asheville and in Florida. And then on sort of a quiet stage, there wasn't anything going on, Dave Matthews walks out with Susan Tedesky. This is sort of between sets. You know, it seemed really almost impromptu, although I guess I'm sure it's not. And they did a version of Angel from Montgomery that was jaw-dropping. So beautiful. Just the two of them, you know, Susan. That's great. Right? It was breathtaking. I really, really loved it. Nathaniel came out after that with his band, and it was mostly him. You know, I was wondering, are they going to be bringing people out? Well, the answer is, yeah. Also, after Nathaniel did a bunch of Night Sweats stuff, Trombone Shorty came out. We had Robert Randolph play, and he came out. Susan came out. It was just everybody showing up during Nathaniel set. And that's not even the end of the night. So they did probably, I don't know, 45, 50 minutes, I suppose. And then Dave Matthews. It was the headliner with yet more people, you know, coming out, more people playing. And Mavis Staples. I've wanted to mention Mavis Staples. She came out, and that was it. They were working together and did amazing stuff. So just to wrap up, a great night. I'm a little more into jam band music than I was the night before. And some money was raised. It was really, that was the best part of it. I go to shows all the time at MSG and all over the place. On Sunday night, I bought a T-shirt. I never buy a T-shirt. But good cause. And a little teaser for Nathaniel, who's going to headline the garden in March. Your neighbors may not have known him, but he's moved up to to Garden Headliner. And Goose, if they're not there, you know, probably could sell out the garden at this point. They've got that kind of following now. Look, we were at the rock hall for Dave Mason. Dave Matthews' introduction. And we kind of determined that a big part of that audience was there for him. I think that's the case with that show on Sunday night. But it wasn't like, you know, the others were far behind. It was really an amazing, an amazing night. Good one. You got a review, one more review. And I'm really curious about it. Yeah, real quick, there's a documentary that's going to be premiering on Disney Plus this Friday. The latest Beatles project, it is called "Beetle 64." I actually went to the premiere last night, which was attended by Paul McCartney, Olivia Harrison, Sean Lennon, Elvis Costello, a little Steven for just a little screening room premiere. It was a pretty big event. Beatles can still draw them like that, I suppose. So it's directed, but it's produced by Martin Scorsese and is directed by David Tedesky, who is a longtime Scorsese collaborator, has sort of moved from editing these projects. I think he was the editor on the Dylan documentary. Now, he's taken over directing this. And look, it's not a big, expansive, you know, it's a very precision strike look at a moment in Beatles history. Beatles 64 isn't even that, that's bigger than it sounds. It's not the year. It is the two weeks in February of their first American visit. When they came over, played the Ed Sullivan show, played the first concert in DC, came back and played Carnegie Hall, went to Miami for the second Sullivan show, went home. So it's those two weeks. Now, David and Albert Maisles, the Maisles brothers, the sort of pioneering documentary filmmakers, they were with the Beatles and shot that whole trip. And it was a TV special that aired, but then was never seen again because they didn't have any rights and clearances. That was re-edited into a DVD in the '90s. But this is a bunch of stuff that A, the Peter Jackson team took in and cleaned up and restored. And so the footage looks fantastic. And B, about 15 minutes of new footage that hasn't been seen before. And new interviews with Paul and Ringo and with people who were there and witnessed it. They found some of the girls who were outstanding out in front of the Plaza Hotel and talk to them now. And look, it is not, this doesn't gonna change our understanding of Beatles history. It's not, you know, some hugely novel new take. It's not unseen footage that's like a total revelation. But it does, I think, flesh out context for that moment in a way that even if it's familiar, just reminds you and places you, you know, what was going on in the culture at that time. It starts with the Kennedy assassination and what it meant that they came, you know, less than three months later and what that meant to the country. There's a fan, there's a writer named Joe Queenen, who's in it, who just was a magazine writer. I'm not sure why they ended up with him, but he has one fantastic line when he says, you know, essentially because they came, my father never recovered from the Kennedy assassination. But we did. Yeah. And it's that, that line is really moving. And the heroes of this movie, I mean, just to see the Beatles screwing around in their hotel room, making each other laugh, the wit and the camaraderie and the spirit that they have is still just magnetic. Obviously, the performances we know, the Solomon Show and the DC performance are great. But the other heroes in this movie are the girls. That's the footage of the girls from back then are, it's so great. And it is so great that there's something that's happening that's not just them screaming. Like it's easy to make fun of them just screaming. And that's what it was. But you see them sort of coming into a new agency and a new awareness of themselves and a new time. You know, these, there's footage of these girls who've got their way onto the floor that the Beatles were on and the Plaza. Yeah. And you know, then they're thrown out, whatever. But they're confidence and their composure. And like, what this meant? It just, there's something else that comes off of this that I found really powerful. So it's a small project, but I think it's, you know, it's fun and it's a rewarding project for the scope of what it is. It's interesting that you say that it also, it brings in as it must the times. Because it all wrapped up together, the Kennedy assassination. Oh, yeah. It's so true that it was, we breathed a sigh of relief when these guys showed up. And people now don't realize those guys being cheeky. That never happened. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody was polite. I mean, even Elvis was polite. These guys being cheeky and, you know, making fun of reporters. And that was a whole new world. Yeah. Yeah. And it's said, whether it's, you know, Eric Severide. Oh. Comparing Beatlemania to the German measles. You know. Then there's like Betty Friedan talking about how the Beatles of long hair represented the emergence of a new man and a new kind of masculinity. And like all the stuff that's kind of rattling around. Let me ask you what I think. And then I know when we have to move on. It was also kind of, it was birth of American youth as we now know it. You know what I mean? Coming out of the 50s. More than just American youth of youth around the world. I mean, after sort of the teenager gets invented in the 50s. Right. Everybody sort of says decades don't start at the zero. The 60s didn't start in 1960. The 60s started in 1964. Yep. You know. And that's what you're seeing happening. That, you know, this is leading to a different history. And the velocity of it is just so, you know, it's just insane. How fast everything is moving. So if you're obviously, if you're a fan, you're going to watch it. If you're curious. I think especially for young viewers who have discovered them. But they maybe don't have all of that. Can't access sort of all of that history and connect the dots in that way. I think in some ways for that kind of a viewer, it's even better. All right. We should move on to some news. Well, first thing is it was a we will come around to it later. Probably the biggest story of the week was a surprise new Kendrick Lamar album. But on the other side, Drake who spent most of this year and remains locked in this rap battle with Kendrick continued this week with Drake saying, I'm here as you can see fully intact. You need facts to take me out. Fairy tales won't do it. So, you know, it ain't over. And we've got the Super Bowl coming up. We've got the Grammys coming up. The actual Drake news this week is that he announced an Australian tour his first since 2017, which will start, hey, how about this for a coincidence? The same day Kendrick plays the Super Bowl. They really planned it like that. The beef is that deep that they're really Jesus. There's a lot of things to line up. Kendrick is playing the Super Bowl on February 9th in New Orleans. That we know that's been in place. Drake revealed that his Australian tour will launch that same day. Didn't provide any details that he'll be playing. Melbourne, Sydney and the Gold Coast. And I guess it's true. I mean, if you're in terms of that, he teeted up the fact that he's announcing it, announcing that date before he's even announcing which cities he's playing. Yeah, would lead you to believe that it's a pretty direct target. So the game goes on. But how dumb is it to do that? Because at the end of the day, Kendrick's going to be playing Super Bowl halftime in front of one of the biggest audiences you can gather together. Absolutely. And he's got the perfect opportunity to throw a diss at you that you cannot match the scale of. Well, you're in Australia. And actually on that deck, I got to do the math. Are you ahead or behind on the set? Like does he have to do his first show before the Super Bowl? So Kendrick totally gets a free shot. Ridiculous, ridiculous. But there you go. The games continue on into the new year. I don't get those beef things. Yeah, speaking of shows for next year, we got an extra early announcement of the Coachella lineup. Yeah, what is up with that extra early indeed? I don't know what we are to make of that. But Lady Gaga, Green Day, Posty, Travis Scott, all set to headline one of the biggest music festivals in the US. I haven't heard any explanation for why. I mean, usually that doesn't come until after the new year. Right. And we're still ahead of Thanksgiving. Yeah, Wednesday, November 20th, Coachella Music and Arts Festival announced April 11th to the 13th and 18th to the 20th of next year. Big headliners. I mean, it's interesting that Gaga, Posty, and Travis Scott as headliners. This used to be a straight up rock and roll show. Well, and then, and the other thing that jumps out is how much it's not a dance show. There's only a few really great dance artists. That's where it really has been for a while. I mean, it was first, it was a sort of all rock, indie rock, whatever, then it really shifted into embracing dance world as we've, you know, talked about a lot. There's not a lot of big gun dance acts on this bill at all. This is, you know, I love going to the dance tents. No, I haven't been in years, but I was actually considering going this year. And now I don't know. I mean, it's, I wouldn't have you seen much response to this announcement? Cause I've seen like, I don't know yet. And what I've seen has been sort of like, is this really what Coachella needs to be doing? I mean, last year was their slowest selling. I think they were able to ultimately claim a sellout, I think, but much slower than the sort of out of the gate sellout that they've gotten used to, definitely tailed off. So these are on the one hand bigger names, you know, stadium filling acts. And obviously a big thing for Gaga who hasn't done it and sort of takes that slot. And some big names on the undercard making the stallion and some others who are a big deal. But does it sort of, you know, rebrand or at least drift away from the sort of leading edge thing that Coachella has always stood for? I would be excited to see Missy Elliott, who is going to be there on the Friday nights. I haven't seen her in many, many years. It's great that she's sort of out and about again. But yeah, I agree with you that there's, there's some interesting acts, but nothing of the statue that we were used to. There's no, no great reunion happening. You do have the original misfits. Well, okay, which are on the same day as your Gaba Gaba. Right. Hey, look, that's, that's not exactly Bauhaus, but okay. And just noted you have craft work. Yes. And there is, they're like a medium font. Yeah. Craft work, right. Well, I mean, where would we be without craft work today? I don't know. And speaking of fonts, the misfits are the only ones on the poster who get their name in their font and logo. They got the logo on. Yeah. Yes. Harder, the rider. Must be. Well, when more people know the t-shirt than know the band, that's probably a good seller. Like, oh, that, that bit, the one with the skull. Yeah, that one. All right. All right. One more thing before we get out of here, I'm excited about this. Apple original films announces the definitive documentary on legendary rock icons Fleetwood Mac that is beyond Daisy Jones in the six and beyond stereo fine. That's right. Like, and this is, this is really, really the Kennedy Marshall company. Frank Marshall is doing it, which is, he is how many Academy Awards is this guy one? Like four or something like that. I mean, major operation. A major operation. The definitive, what they're calling the definitive new documentary on rock royalty, fully authorized documentary. And there will be not only, as you would hope, archival footage, but there will be brand new interviews with each of the remaining four members. And it looks like at this point, we may actually hear. And again, we don't know about production. There's certainly no delivery date. They don't even have a title yet. Right. We don't have a title. We don't have a date. We don't know if it's one or, or a multi-part thing. Series. We don't know the scope and how far back are they going to do all the pre-lensian Stevie, which is its own mega soap opera story before you even get into the soap opera. Everybody knows. So lots of questions around what this is actually going to be. But we've been waiting for it for so long. I think after the Eagles documentary, whenever that was, everybody was like, okay, if they got those guys to sit down and do it, obviously the next one that, you know, to negotiate into this kind of a deal is Fleetwood Mac, but nothing has happened until now. So there is word that there will be also some previously unseen Christine McVee interview footage. So I'm certainly looking forward to that. I'm hoping this one is similar to that Eagles two-part doc, because it was really done well. I mean, it even had that on stage banter between the guys fighting that you hear, them talking about beating the crap out of each other, you know, three more songs. And I'm going to kick your ass. If we have the footage of Lindsay throwing the guitar at Stevie on stage in the task tour, that could be the, you know, that can, that can do it. I will just say for those of us who are out here working on a, a book about Fleetwood Mac, it's only good news that there's this documentary forthcoming. So yeah, you got to get that release date, Alan. Got to find out to coordinate the publishing. Don't think I'm not working on that, but I have nothing additional that I can report. And then super quick, just to note from our friends in our friends at Variety announced their hit makers for the year, including Shabuzzi with the newcomers award, Benson Boon newcomers award, Amy Allen songwriter of the year, Daniel Nygro, producer of the year, but we'll just note Jack Antonoff being given the producer of the decade award. And this is on the same week that Jack produced, has a production credit on 11 out of 12 tracks on the Kendrick Lamar album. But wait, is, is he, is he's not produced in the producer of the year category this year? Am I right? At the Grammys, at the Grammys, he is not. Total snout. He was, he's won the last four years. He was not nominated this year, but variety makes it up to him with the producer of the decade award, which I guess you win four straight Grammys for that. And it's probably, you know, pretty easy from there. But his credit on the Kendrick record is wild. It's a producing or producing co-writing or just. It's a co-producing credit sound wave, who is Kendrick's main producer is credited on everything. But then Jack is credited on all but one of the tracks, which is, which is really interesting as well. So the Jack Antonoff dynasty shows no sign of slowing down. He's probably not on like a Drake tracks like, I don't want to be part of this. Just, I'm not, I'm not. Keep me out of this. Keep me out of this. I might want to work with the guy. Leave me alone. So there you go. There's a look at just some of the stuff going on in the, in the world of music. We're trying to keep you up to date on that. And now we're going to keep you up to date on the amazing finds available to you for Black Friday Records store day. We're going to be right back with co-founder Carrie Collin. Introducing Instagram teen accounts, a new way to keep your teen safer as they grow. Like making sure they've got the right gear for writing. New pets. Check. And helmet. Done. See you then. New Instagram teen accounts. 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Every year, twice a year. It's a pleasure. The pleasure is ours. Thank you so much for coming on and talking about the Black Friday Record Store Day. This is, I guess, the biggest event of the year, right? I mean, of the Record Store Day events. Of the second half of the year, let's say that. I like to think that our holiday that we don't have to share with everybody else, Record Store Day is the biggest, but we'll share the goth holiday of Black Friday with everyone else. Is there a difference in sales and performance from your spring day and Black Friday? There's a difference in intention on our part and on the stores part. And on everybody who puts things together for the list, Record Store Day is genuinely, I mean, I make a joke about it, but at this point, it's a holiday for record stores and nobody else. And holiday where they work. That's right, it's a holiday where they give the gifts to you. Like they do every other day of the year, but they get high fives and that's enough for them. But Black Friday, we, of course, share that with everyone else in the world who sells things or services at this point. So we really just want that day to be and the list is always smaller and we want that day to be a way for the stores to have a little bit of tensile and sparkle and a way to kind of break through all the noise about Black Friday and remind people that whether you're shopping the day after Thanksgiving or you're shopping throughout the first week of December or the first time you think about the holidays is December 24th or whatever that is. Record stores are a great place to do it. So it's a little bit of a different intention. It's not a single day thing. It's we're in it for the long haul of the holiday season. You've been doing this for 12 years. Give me a number. Yeah, what is the count? So Record Store Day, I know offhand, next year will be our 18th and then we started Black Friday probably a couple years later. So we're probably more like 15. We pre-date Small Business Saturday. We get that question a lot. Like, "Why don't you do this on Saturday?" And we pre-date Small Business Saturday. And so, you know, stores can do Black Friday. They can do Small Business Saturday. They can do, I don't know what Sunday is. They can do Cyber Monday. They can have a four day thing of it, whatever they'd like to do. So I guess maybe it's probably maybe 15 for this. Can you talk about the change over this all of that time? What has happened from the first one to the one that's coming up next week? Well, it's gotten a little easier to plan and to get it onto the calendars of the people at the labels and management and artists to get them to understand, "Oh, that's what this is." It's not just Record Store Day. It's Black Friday too. We want to support these stores all year long. Here's two great tent poles of the way to do it. It's easier. It's kind of like, "Oh yeah, we're on the calendar now. We're for real." They start planning. Like, we're already taking submissions for Record Store Day 2025 and we will probably start taking Black Friday submissions 2025, probably in March of next year. So it's kind of a constant thing. Well, tell us that because we hear so much since we've had the explosion in vinyl sales over recent years coming off of so many plants being closed down and having to sort of re-steer the ship and everything else. We hear all the time about how far ahead people need to plan vinyl releases, that the big superstar releases kind of blow everybody off of all the machines for certain times. I'm wondering about that when you're working against these hard dates like this, what is the process of getting that teed up through the year? Well, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. We're on people's calendars this far out. That's for sure. We want people to include Record Stores in the planning for any release at all, at any time, on any Friday. If you're putting out a record, we want you to have included Record Stores. And because of the physical nature of things, both vinyl and CDs and everything else, and the fact that you're talking about up to 1400 independent businesses, it's not one flip of a switch for a marketing plan or a distribution plan or anything like that, you know, six to eight months in advance. As soon as you know a record is coming or as soon as you know, hey, when it gets to November, I would love to have this project in Record Stores on Black Friday, or when it gets to April, I would love to have this be part of the celebration of Record Store Day. We want that as early as possible. We're a pretty small team and we have calendars going out, you know, for the next 10 years, so we can work on projects as far out as people will let us, as far out as they'll bring us in. And I will say that whole idea of where we are with pressing plants and things like that is getting so much better. And there are a lot of people at pressing plants who are actively out now looking for projects. They have capacity. They have the space and they are, you know, saying, hey, we can do these. And the turnaround times are pretty close to what they were before the pandemic and before the giant rise because there are, you know, I live in Raleigh, North Carolina, and there is a pressing plant here in Raleigh, North Carolina. It's owned by a couple who own a record store and a live music venue. None of those three things are going to make them rich, but it makes them happy. Yep. And it's a great little thing. And there are pressing plants everywhere that you would never expect. What? Yeah. Yeah. Well, the last time we talked about this, Alan, back there was like two in the country and they were overwhelmed, the story, the famous story of Adele having to wait what nine months to release her record because she couldn't get it pressed. That's changed. Oh, it's absolutely changed. And, you know, a lot of the backup coming out of the pandemic, if you talk to the people at the presses, they'll say it was partially because we couldn't get shipping containers to ship the records. We couldn't get pellets because they were being sent. It's easier to send a bunch of pellets to somebody making heart, you know, vinyl flooring than it is to send to us because they're probably less picky than a pressing plant. But it's the same pellets that go to both places. And wood was really expensive, so more people were using vinyl flooring. And it's amazing. All the things that affect it. So much more complicated than Adele had a lot of records being pressed at one time. It's just, but we are all cut up. So is there, we'll come back to some of the big headline releases that are coming this week. But for you, in general, trend-wise, pattern-wise, is there a headline story for 2024? Black Friday, 2024, you'll be happy to hear this Alan. Lots of jazz. I think the continued presence on the list of people like Billy Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo and Noah Khan is positive and really, really speaks to the fact that on any given Friday, Saturday, you will find fans of new music, fans of, for lack of a nicer phrase, "Girly Pop," in a record store actively seeking to get a CD or vinyl of these artists. It's just amazing. And the anecdotal stories you'll hear from record stores all across the country of people coming in and bringing generations of a family together and bringing young girls going in. I worked at record stores my whole life. I've never seen as many women in a record store behind the counter, in front of the counter, as I have now. And that's pretty exciting for me to see. It's where the music is. It is. So yeah, so it's behind the counter, in front of the counter, and on the counter is women in music. Has there, I mean, now that we have the pressing plants, you know what I'm saying? And now that the things in terms of vinyl seem to be, in terms of getting vinyl out to people, seem to be improving. I was curious, when you just mentioned young people going into the stores and families bringing their kids in, because I thought, well, why does a Gen Z or person give a crap about vinyl? They're all about the internet. Do you see things changing? Or do you see, you know, a movement among the young? I do. I do. And by the way, what is after Z? Alpha, is that where we're going with? Is it? As much as I know, as we switch alphabets here. Okay, sorry. Starting over again. I'm cool with that. I do see that. And I think it's the same thing I've said since we started Record Store Day when people say, why vinyl? Why would, you know, it's so easy to have everything at your fingertips. And yes, it's at your fingertips, but it's also in the cloud. And I think a lot of it, some of it is nostalgia, right? And for whatever reason, I feel like this generation doesn't rebel against their elders, the way other generations did. They kind of embrace their elders and they watch the TV shows their parents grew up on and they listen to the music their parents liked or their grandparents. They're very genderless, generationless, genreless. They listen to all kinds of things and and they embrace everything. It's all new to them. Well, as we're talking about a world of such super fandom, where they just want anything and everything that's attached to their artists. To their artists, the armies are a thing unto themselves. And I recommend, you know, the people on this call who write music books, maybe write a book about the music armies. That's not me. But who knows? I do think going back to your question that it's always been the case where humans as humans don't necessarily want everything that they are emotionally attached to to live somewhere else. We're the kind of creature that likes to have our beloved things, you know, our precious. We like to have it around us. And that's not any different for this generation, this youngest generation that's got some disposable funds. I think they want it too. And also they can show their friends, right? You can show them your record collection, your CD collection, which is actually gaining ground with physical formats. Are you supporting CDs too? So Record Store Day is about the store and whatever they decide to sell. So we are all about the CD. All right. I'm really curious about scale and scope looking at the list this year, because on the one end, the Olivia Rodrigo guts vinyl, the Billie Eilish vocals, those are 30,000, 25,000 pieces. I don't think you've ever done anything as big as that before, if nothing that I remember. But on the other end, to make the full two part question, some of the others, you know, Pearl Jam, The Stones, those are like five, six thousand sorts. You know, those, there's something that's going on in a balancing out of how you're thinking about how many of these you're sending out in the world. Yes. And to be really, you know, one end or the other, there is an artist from New York, a band that I knew at the time, a musician slash writer, Jack rabid, his band, Spring House. There are 200 copies of that record. That's the smallest we're doing on the list. But leaving that, it seems like the ones that were really sort of franchise previous. And Pearl Jam was a huge driver for you guys, and they're still there, and they've still got something that's there, but it feels like there's an adjustment in what you're expecting is common. Yes, except I would say that Pearl Jam title has an asterisk by it, because it's a Pearl Jam title, but it's a single called RSD song of the year. So it's something we helped create. It's a special piece that we helped make. It's not, you know, a Pearl Jam record would still be in, you know, multitudes of thousands higher than the number. And the idea of a chase piece, which is something, you know, you literally can't get it everywhere. It's not going to be sitting in the bins at the end of the day. Even the next weekend, it's a chase piece. It's a smaller piece, some of these things, the Olivia, the Billy, the YouTube piece, which is a full record, not a reissue, you know, a standalone record. That's a larger number because we want people to be able to find it Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. And the idea of having some of these little chase pieces, like the blind box series, you know, all those cute little collectible things that are really limited, that's the idea of our chase pieces, which that Pearl Jam is definitely one of those. Is 30,000 the biggest for any record store day release? It's as big as I remember. No. No. No. Wow. I'm really bad with numbers, and I don't remember the exact number, but I think Taylor long pond sessions was higher. And previous to this, we did have 25,000, I think, was there was a lead Zeppelin single, which held that high watermark for us for a while. But you start looking at the numbers that some of these artists, Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, are doing and realizing we don't want anyone to be. That's the other thing. You were talking about their fans and wanting everything. Their chosen artists have put out. Stores hate to see people upset, especially if someone's coming to a record store for the first time, discovering this record store, and then they're sold out of the Olivia piece. Oh, they're sold out of the Billie Eilish piece. That's not a great experience for anyone, including the cranky record store, Clerk, who's probably not that cranky in real life. And, you know, we want everybody to find what they want to find. And you can tell who's the big. Yeah. And there are, as you say, there are some really special releases that are coming out for this year's Black Friday. Yes. I know I've been getting emails on both of my shows on the 80s on Sirius XM and on Classic Rewind, which is the same era, basically. People are flipping out about this new U2. We've been waiting and waiting. That seems to be one of the biggest ones this time, right? Yeah, I think so. I mean, U2, they are massive supporters of what we do and of record stores. And I think that makes a lot of sense. They come from a certain era when physical records were the thing. And also, I can imagine all of them have pretty large record physical record collections of their own. It's because none of them live in New York City. Because I'm living in, you know, 700 square feet here. You can get shelves everywhere. I see wall space that could be shelves right now. You know what, Carrie? You're the perfect person. I'm going to get my wife on the phone. She loves music, but not all over her walls in her apartment. What else do you see as the big, I know there's the live Van Halen piece? Yeah. I do think the "Better than Ezra" for the first time on vinyl is going to be a huge, huge contender. That's probably a chase piece we didn't really intend to be a chase piece. There is Noah Khan, which is the duet version, which is kind of a nice thing. That's another thing about this generation of artists. They all love each other. And they all, you know, love to do each other's songs and end up on each other's records and all of that. That's a big thing. One of the records that the stores ordered the most of because they got the most response for was the anniversary release of the SpongeBob SquarePants soundtrack. I can see that. Which speaks to a lot of different generations, I guess. The SpongeBob is there. There's the Casey Musgraves with the bonus meditation. Yes. Space tracks. Talk about that a little bit. Yeah. So I haven't heard it yet and not for lack of asking for them to get me that. Because it's deeper into the well is the name of it. And of course, obviously, deeper well, the last record. And there is a 20-minute, oh man, I can't remember the exact wording, but it's some sort of like woodland soundscape experience or something like that. And I mean, the woman's name is Spacey Casey on social media. So I think it actually makes a lot of sense, very, very on brand. I'm really excited to hear what that is about. That's definitely going to be a very popular one. 20-minute woodland sound experiences. In fact, the quote you have in the press release. So you got it. I was pretty close. Good. All right. Go maybe. But you have not heard it, Alan, have you? I haven't heard it. No, I was just curious. They do not service the woodland sound experience tracks as they-- They haven't served it to me either. So excited. Cannot wait. So an odd, bigger picture question. Because there was a weird thing a couple of months back. There was just for people who read this. There was the story that came out that said, vinyl consumption, vinyl sales are down this year. And then like the next day or two, there was a wait. No, they're actually not. So what was going on? So oh man, how much time do we have? So in October, about just about a year ago, in October of 2023, Luminate, who was formerly SoundScan, formerly Billboard, announced that they were going to change the way they collected and modeled sales data from independent record stores. And that's kind of our bread and butter. And really important for their sales data to be accurate and as complete as possible. I mean, in ways you just don't think about. It's important for that data to be collected and done right. And we had a lot of questions for Luminate. Labels and distribution had a lot of questions for Luminate. Mostly, how do you plan to get stores to report to you? The way they were going to change the modeling would basically decimate the sales. And you would not be able to do year over year comparisons. There was a lot of-- There was-- You could call it a strike. There were what ended up happening was we, Record Store Day, in conjunction with a company called Street Pulse, came up with a new way for record stores to report. Two Street Pulse, which would then give it to Luminate, which would then make things available for Billboard. And it's going great. There are now 400 plus record stores reporting. And the more you get reporting, the better and more accurate your sales data will be, which means everybody's working from actual data. This time last year, when Luminate made their change, there were 75 stores reporting. We're now at 400. We are heading towards much more accurate data. On the Billboard website, there is a daily snapshot called MarketWatch. Someone at a news outlet, a music news outlet, was going to do their own year over year. Ignoring any context about you can't do year over year because of this change in the modeling of the data. Did it, found that it was 33% down, but didn't really understand there were about four months when there are absolutely no sales from record stores reported at all. So you can't do that. And I tend to think the fact that it was 33% was just too good not to go with. 33% over 33% of the year. It was just too good for them not to go with. And it was literally, I think, one post from this music outlet that got picked up by other outlets and went everywhere. And immediately we saw it because I spend an unhealthy amount of time on music social media. I saw it, went to Luminate. What are we going to do about this? Is this true? Can't be true. And they immediately put out, it's actually up 6.4%. Basically, we're removing indies from both 2023 and 2024. That's why you get the two different numbers. So it's up 6.4 instead of being down 33%, but it's probably up higher if you actually put the indies back in because everything I've been told, indies represent 40 to 45% of the sales of any piece of vinyl. So it's probably higher than that. So that's where that all went. And just to underscore the importance of the accurate data, in that, I think it was like two days, right? Between when the first one came out and said it was 33% down, and then when the second one came out and said, it's actually six point something up. In that two-day period, we had a store say, someone at my bank on the Risk Assessment Team is a fan of music and saw this. And so it's in his head now, should I make small, I mean, really important decisions are being made based on this stuff, which accuracy in data, accuracy in journalism, all that stuff is really real world important. So yeah, that's my long-winded way of saying what happened there. They're up 6.2. November 29, Black Friday, Record Store Day, Black Friday. Recordstoreday.com is the place to go. Yes, yes. Recordstoreday.com is the place to go online. Record stores are the place to go in the real world. Right, you can check for people who maybe who are new to Record Store Day. They're hard and neophytes. Oh, absolutely. Recordstoreday.com will explain it all for you. That's right. I have to explain what I do to some of my parents' friends every year. So yeah. It's good. As long as more are asking each time, right? The needle goes up. That's right. Cara Carlton, always great to have you on. Thank you so much. Oh, you guys. Thank you so much. Happy Thanksgiving. And to you as well. Meet Claude, Anthropix AI Assistant, ready to transform how your organization works. Empower every person in your organization with AI that thinks like a teammate, not a tool. Securely upload your company knowledge. 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Once again, thanks to Carrie Collison for updating us on what your Black Friday is going to be like in record stores near you. This past week, we introduced a new social segment here on SoundUp. Each Thursday, we're going to post a retro themed question that you, our pod squatters, can answer for Throwback Thursday. So this past week, this first edition here, we turned to ask you what your first portable music device was. Oh boy. How telling that is. That's right. Now that everything is portable all the time back to the days when there was not so, where did you come into this? We got dozens of comments on this one and they range from transistor radios. Thank God. Some people mentioned transistors to portable cassette players like the, the the one that we were unused to bootleg the doobie. Any excuse, any excuse for what's happened. Come on with that. Oh my God. So used to bootleg the doobie brothers on what's happening. All sorts of devices, but the winner by far was either the Sony Walkman or a knockoff version of the Sony Walkman, which in its earliest form hit the market in 1979. Yeah, that's what it says. I think that's right. With a big brick shaped ones. Yeah. They were huge. Were they, were they with the cell phones? Bigger. If you would have asked me this, my answer would have been that first Walkman. But really, the answer is the transistor radio. I mean, really it is. I was just you. Oh, I had a, my little white plastic transistor radio with AM with the one earpiece. Yeah. I lived and died for that. Dude, how old were you for listening to that? When I was little, whatever, when I was eight, I don't know. Because I was listening to it when I was eight. Yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't, you couldn't separate me, but I just did a thing. Wow. A week or two ago with David Byrne, an interview for something. And he was talking about his first transistor radio. First device. We were comparing notes on, on that and how we all get hung up on, you know, look, all the great arguments for great audio file, you know, systems and sound and everything else. But the fact is we all fell in love with music listening to it on these little one ear, you know, crackly sounding things. And we don't love it any less for that. So you can join in the fun with us every week. Go see all the comments, the stories that people told us about their first portable music devices. Head over to our socials on Facebook, Instagram, X and blue sky all at sounduppod or sounduppod.com. All right. That is wild. I can't believe you were listening to a transistor radio. I mean, Alan, I have you by like 14 years or something. You are a music fanatic. There was no new portable option in the years in between. Right. I mean, I guess there were the like the little eight track machines, you know, the small ones that you could stick an eight track in and, you know, whatever. But I was doing that. Yeah. Wow. All right. Well, that's, that is interesting. And please, this is going to be fun. Throwback Thursday, I'll be a blast. Let's move on here. We do have before we wrap things up for sound up this week, we have new music to get to Roger. You want to start it off? What do you got? So glad you did this because I was going to do it, but you took it off my play. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry that I did. I apologize for that. Oh, it's going to music this week. And, you know, going down the list first, I kind of like look through the list, look at the names and I see Al Green. And I'm like, Al Green. Yeah. Like, I haven't heard new music from Al Green in a long time. And then it says Al Green, everybody hurts. And I'm like, that can't be R E M's 1992. Everybody hurts. And it is Al Green does an amazing cover of this song that honestly, it might be better than the original. I've listened to this song like three times in a row because I just found it today. Yeah. And it is so good. I mean, it's his first song in six years. And I don't think he's put out an album in even longer than that. Oh, yeah. The last thing that I remember from Al Green was to do it with Annie Lennox. He's done some record with Questlove. He did it. There have been some 21st century Al Green albums, but it has been a minute. Yeah. That's such a good version of this song. I mean, it's Al Greenified for sure. He just does exactly what you would want him to do with this song. Right. But when you listen to it this way, you realize how great of a song it is, how great this R E M song is, and how much the lyrics really lend itself to this type of a version. Man, I have not heard it. So I can't wait. He's 78 years old. His voice obviously isn't what it used to be. It isn't that sort of feathery, you know, he's not singing way up high. It's so husky or sound than that. But he's the greatest soul singer alive. And he brings all of that to a song you wouldn't initially think would work that way. And then as soon as you hear it, are like, Oh, yeah, like that. Yeah, which is really a testament to the song itself. It's such a good song. And he just does a great version. And once we're done here, I have to go and listen. I this is the first time hearing about that and I'm a major fan. So good. So that's great. Is that it? Is that what you're not? I got a couple of things. What was on repeat for me all weekend long? Matt Nathanson, our pal Matt Nathanson has a new song. He has a new album, which he's trumpeting online called the King of Unsimple with on in parentheses, the King of Unsimple. And the the single out now is called Whitney Houston's National Anthem. And it is one of my favorite Matt Nathanson singles ever. This is one where he works with the Indigo Girls together. And I don't know exactly. I mean, they're on it. And if there's video and we see them sitting around and playing, I don't know how much they contributed to to the writing of it. But there's some great Matt Nathanson lines in there. And I'm looking forward to the rest of this album. And he also was going to be going out on his first headline tour in a few year in like two and a half years starting in February. I'm going to be looking forward to seeing Matt back out on tour headlining, which means more time to tell insane stories and act like a goofball on stage, which he does so well. It's what you're going for. That's half the set. Is it a full band tour or solo tour? Full band? Oh, actually. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to that. So the other one that I wanted to mention comes from a guy named Tunde Adepimbe. I'm doing my best to pronounce his name correctly. His new album and his new song is called magnetic. If you know this guy, you know him because he was the lead vocalist in TV on the radio. But he has done so many more things since he is a musician, a singer songwriter that we know he is an actor. He has acted on television and film like major films with major directors. He is a director himself. He's a visual artist. But also, in 1998, he worked as one of the initial animators on MTV's celebrity deathmatch. That's how far a field this guy goes. But check out magnetic. That's the name of the song and the album from Tunde Adepimbe. You will not be disappointed. All right. I guess I'm going to close this out. As you can probably tell, since it came up during the Drake story, during the Jack Antonoff story, I spent most of the weekend with the complete shock surprise new album from Kendrick Lamar, GNX, which apparently even his label did not know was coming out until Friday morning when it came out. And look, it's a lot to it's a lot to process a new Kendrick album. It's not a thing to do in a couple of days. It's not what's notable is I think it's, you know, this is not a sort of high concept album coming off of Mr. morale in the big stepper, which was this hugely personal interior, very difficult listen, the last album or what the sort of scope of to Pippa butterfly was. You know, this isn't that this is really much more of a straight sort of hip hop record. I think much more accessible in some ways than what those were. Some big fans a little bit disappointed that it isn't kind of a grander swing since that's what this Pulitzer Prize winner is all about. But track for track, it's a really strong set of songs. It's a lot of just a assertion of what it is to be as he argues throughout the best to ever do this. What comes with that? What expectation? What pressure? There's a couple a sort of very secondary, you know, there's some Drake stuff in there at a distance. He did not put not like us or any of the straight up Drake battle songs on this album. The most sort of ambitious writing there's a song called reincarnated that's uses a Tupac sample and sort of a Tupac rasp in his voice that tells the story of different, you know, fictional, I assume, but they may refer to real tragic figures in black music, a blues guitar player who dies a addicted R&B singer and sort of him as the extension of the difficulties in the torment that come with being a black American making music in this way. So I'm just going to go with the first song which is called wacked out murals. If I'm going to go with one because it sort of tees up the album starting from him being pissed about somebody defacing a mural of him in LA should say it's a very LA record. He's working with a lot of young LA new artists, a lot of the references, a lot of the song called Dodger Blue, a lot of the stuff that's on there is really situated in Los Angeles in a very specific way. So it's Kendrick Lamar, man. He's as important as anybody out there making music. I will continue to be listening to this for a while and liking it a lot. My song may change, but the overall take, you know, will will continue to evolve. My other is I'm so happy for an excuse to mention this specific song. Father John Misty put out a new album last week. It is called maha shmashana. It is a Sanskrit word. I hope I am pronouncing it right. I blow very hot and cold on Father John Misty. I will say I find a lot of what he does. I respect the writing and I get bored by it and everything doesn't need to be 10 minutes long and everything doesn't need to put everything in every song. But every once in a while, there's a song that I love within what he does. And there is a song on here that actually came out earlier this year, he put it on he did a great great ish hits collection. Great ish. Great ish hits. And he put this song on us like a bonus track on that he's been playing it live for a long time. It is called I guess time just makes fools of us all. I love this. This is one of my favorite songs of the year. I love this song. It is very in the vein of letter Cohen doing the future or Dylan doing things have changed. It's very structured like that kind of lines and lines and images and images and then a refrain. It's like a cheesy disco beat. So it is kind of like those letters, like the future and I'm your man and those songs. It's got like a sax solo and a conga break. And it's got this like disco, steely Dan kind of thing to it. I love I love this song. I don't care if he does nothing else. I'm all in on this one. And I remember it came out and it was a week we weren't taping or it was a holiday or something and I wasn't able to mention it when it came out a few months back. So I get to mention it now. I guess time just makes fools of us all from Father John Misty. Sweet. All right. So I think you've got plenty to check out on our Spotify sound up soundtrack playlist. You can just go over to Spotify and search it over there. 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In episode #69 of Sound Up!, Mark Goodman and Alan Light welcome Carrie Colliton, co-founder of Record Store Day, to talk about this week’s Black Friday event and the state of vinyl. Alan reviews Taylor Swift’s penultimate Eras Tour stop in Toronto and the new “Beatles ‘64” documentary, and Mark reports on the Soulshine benefit concert in NYC, headlined by Dave Matthews Band and Warren Haynes. In music news, Drake announces a new tour (launching the same day as Kendrick Lamar’s Super Bowl appearance), Coachella reveals the 2025 line-up, and Fleetwood Mac will be getting its first-ever comprehensive documentary. This week’s New Music picks include Kendrick Lamar, Al Green, Matt Nathanson, Tunde Adebimpe, and Father John Misty.
