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He touches the pot on your pot. Before he loses possession, that was the first thing I thought, "I want to saw him die, North Korea, North Korea." He's got a feel for the dramatics right there. Unbelievable. You'll finish a play like that. Unbelievable. That's for Josh Allen, special. And when you're six, seven, and you reach out like that, it's less risky. It's less risky. Six, five, plus enough. Six, seven. It's a big six, five and a half. But either way. He's taller than you. Six, five and a half. Oh, he is. He is a little taller than me. That play, like, so I was kind of, like, had gotten dressed, done with our halftime show. I was getting ready to go do my podcast last night. And I saw him as I was walking back into the room, diving in the end zone. I went, "Oh, man. Josh Allen must have got around the edge for a touchdown." And ran one in, right? And I was sitting there and we started the pot. And all of a sudden, I looked up and they started showing him replays. And I was like, "Oh, my gosh. I can't believe this is what happened here." But, like, what a cool moment. What a cool play. Like, you see guys like him, right, a Mario Cooper, Kelsey, when you played enough football like they have, the game is in slow motion. And it's like, we might have felt maybe at one point in our lives in the backyard, like, that comfortable. And that's where they're at. And to be that aware in that moment to make that play, very special by Allen and a Mario Corey. And when your team is clearly comfortable in the elements and the other team isn't, that adds to the confidence that it's men among boys. Yeah, right. And we went through respect to the 49ers. But at times last night where it felt like they were overmatched because you could tell one team practices in the snow from time to time and the other team is like, "What is this stuff? What is this?" What is this stuff? One team that you're talking about has got all this positive mojo and the team that's going, "What is this stuff?" It's also going, "Wait, what are we?" We're not the same as last year. We're used to being bullies. All of that. So, it was a great week, 13. We had a great one-on-clock slated game. Thanksgiving. One of my favorite weekends of the year. Glad to be here. Thanksgiving, by the way. I did. I did. The ugly sweatshirt, but other than that. It's just for you. It's just for you. And you've got schmutz all over you. And high definitions look great. Yeah. It's either makeup or dandruff. I don't know. It's from washing your hair in the sink. I saw that video of you washing your hair in the sink. I don't watch it. I just put some wet air in the water. You stick your head in the sink and you completely soak it. I know. You don't get out shampoo, but you might as well. No. Well, I've got to get it wet if I'm going to go slick and do this. And I sit here all day and I can't have it be perfect all day. I wait until the showtime. But here's the reality. And I do the same thing like, oh, I got to get this right. When you're done monkeying with it, it looks the same as it did before you started to anyone else. I hear you. It looks different to you. It looks the same to everyone else. I don't comb my hair when I'm here all day yesterday, so I got to stick it in there at some point. All right. All right. Thank you, though. I appreciate you. Check it out. Anyway. I just I saw the video and it got sticks. You see this giant Sasquatch sticking his head under a sink, a tiny normal person sized sink. It's alarming. It's like, what's going on here? By the way, Sasquatch is back. He can't be called Sasquatch anymore because he's back two days a week. What's my new nickname now that I'm here today? I don't know. I don't know. Asshole. I don't know. I like that. Okay. And so please stop sending emails. Now here's what's going to happen. Yeah. Because why is he back? Why is he back? Like we liked it the way it was. We adjusted to Devin McCordy on Tuesday, Michael hauling on Wednesday. They love Devin. They love Michael. They love Rodney on Friday, so we're going to need a bigger boat. You'll need a bigger boat. You'll bet. We're figuring it out. But I'm back. The one thing I won't have to do is two hours alone with a smattering of guests, like a half hour with Shireen and Miles and a half hour with Tony Dungy or Jason Garrett. I won't have to do that and they won't have to deal with me. So we're going to fill it up that way. So we're there. What about yesterday? Anything jump out to you about yesterday? Well, there were a lot of close games. Yeah. A lot of close games. We're going to try to get to as many of them as we can. Right. There's great finishes and the Josh Allen play. Yeah. It hasn't happened many times where a guy has thrown a touchdown pass to himself. Five times maybe. The list is short. It begins with the legendary Roy Zimmerman who did it October 29, 1944. During World War II, he had a lateral from a receiver and scored a touchdown. Frank Ryan did it in 1960. Brad Johnson. I remember that too. Yeah. October 12, 1997 down near the goal line balls batted back to him and he got into the end zone. Right. And Marcus Mario did it in the playoffs 2018. That was the last loss by Kansas City before they handed the reins to Patrick Mahomes following you. Exactly right. And then Josh Allen. Fran Tarkington once in a Super Bowl had a ball batted back to him and then he threw it again. Yeah. It was a Super Bowl nine, but it didn't come close to scoring a touchdown. Right. And there have been other quarterbacks who have caught passes and had the presence of mine not to throw it again. Yes. When it gets bounced back to them, but those are the five in NFL. We saw Lamar Jackson, member of the AFC Championship game, almost breaking 80 yards. The ball got better. That's right. Right. That's right. And then you had tranquil made an unbelievable touchdown on himself to save that in the AFC Championship game. And so it goes on the books as receiving statistics for Allen. Yeah. Zero targets. Right. Zero catches seven yards. One touchdown. That's incredible. That hadn't seen the game. You would think that somebody's gotten into his stash who's putting the stats together for NFL. Yeah. No, it was. I had to look at it last night too. Cause I just, I wouldn't want to go. Let me see this. This is like a statistical anomaly almost with that kind of play. Interesting. Really is. And even to read it on the breakdown of how the play went down, like right with the site we follow here and a lot of people in football and FL Jesus, FLGS, IS, okay, for all those out there. Because Josh Allen, seven yard pass play by Josh Allen for the touchdown, right? It's all, it doesn't usually read like that. So that was interesting in itself, but yeah, what a day that game last night, the look it had to end Thanksgiving weekend, the winter snowstorm, everything looked incredible on TV. Thanksgiving was good. Like you talked about the one o'clock games. We had all these one score games that were incredible. I thought there was a, if there was a theme from yesterday, it was teams that played better got outscored on the scoreboard. There was a number of games where the team that won really didn't play the better quality of football through the day. And I'm just going to off the top of my head here real quickly. Oh, yeah. Hey, the, the Chargers over the Falcons, I think you could sit there and go ahead. The Falcons kind of outplayed them throughout the day. They just made some crucial mistakes for interceptions. Exactly. You're right about the Cardinals Vikings. That's another one. The Patriots Colts. I'd say the Patriots outplayed the Colts from the majority of the day. The Jets, I'd probably put them in that category to go, eh, they won more minutes and more plays of that football game and kind of screwed it up. Carolina Panthers in the Tampa Bay Bucks, almost the same thing there and that conversation as well. So I kind of thought that was the theme of the day yesterday. Teams that played well, but didn't put a team away or didn't make the play in the big moment. Let lesser team of the day hang around and find a way to win the football game. And that's the thing. That's the theme. Find a way to win. That's what the Chiefs have been doing all year long. And when you get to this time of the year, if you can engineer victory on a day where it just feels like it's not going your way, if you can keep it together, not give up and do what needs to be done, you're, you're proving that you have the mindset necessary to compete, not certainly win, but to compete to overcome in the postseason. A bad game. Overcome adversity. Yes. And that's always the, the thing I look for when a game's not going well, the quarterbacks demeanor, because I think it can influence the rest of the team is the attitude. It's just not working today. Yeah. We saw a lot of it from Aaron Rodgers earlier in the year. Now we didn't see a lot of it yesterday because things were going well. He was loose, but it all fell apart. And I think it's a testament to the teams that don't give up that try to bend it back in their direction. And we did see it in multiple different games. It wasn't something we saw on Sunday night and we're going to focus on that one for now. The bills over the 49ers, 35 to 10. Brock Purdy was 11 of 18 for 94 yards and a lost fumble where it just kind of squirted out of his hands. Christian McCaffrey had 53 rushing yards. He injured his knee when he was tripped up on a run that he was about to bust. It was going to be McCaffrey is back. That last guy gets a hand on the shoe, comes down hard on the knee. Couple of plays after that. I've seen someone suggest it was the very next play. It wasn't the very next play. There was a couple of plays later. He gets the pitch and just goes down in a way that made us think he popped that Achilles. Yes. But then he gets up and he jogs off. It's like, well, wait a minute, I know he's stubborn enough to jog off with a blown Achilles, but you probably don't jog off the field with a blown Achilles. Something didn't feel right in his knee and that's why he went down. He's got a PCL injury and he may be done for the year. Got like a tall sweep pitch to the right and looked like as he was about to go, wait, let me turn it on here and try to turn the corner. He realized, wait, something's not right with me and he just basically goes on the ground. It's the right leg. We didn't even know it first. Like, is it the left leg that gives out? It was the right leg because we saw him walking back to the locker room with like the sock cut off because they were checking out the knee. So he likely will be done for the year and look, if he's going to miss a few weeks and they keep losing, there's a certain point where you just say, let's just reset and get to next year. Hey, injuries are a part of the game and that's why, you know, you should think twice before you start putting money on these prop bets because if the guy gets injured during the game, you're screwed. He's going to hit the unders and that's how it goes, especially running back. Yeah. And in a year where we've seen Seguin Barkley and Derek Henry in this ascension of the running back position, McCaffrey was playing great last year. He was just the only one in his position who was playing great. Now this year has just been a disaster with eight games missed due to the Achilles injury. He was back for four games, never really got himself going and it looked like last night he was going to. That may be a different game if he doesn't get injured because he was a guy who was thriving in the conditions and maybe that would have elevated the 49ers. Yeah. Running back for thriving in general and his ability to make a big play. Who knows? Well, it's way some, some momentum, make a big play there and get the 49ers jump started a little bit, but it's kind of a microcosm of what we've seen all year from the 49ers. It's just they're for lack of a better way to say microcosm and a little bit of a, you know, just a beaten down puppy is what I look at them right now. Just all the things we've even talked about. I know we talked about it last Monday when they came off of that loss. It's, it's a, it's a team that's fought so hard for so many years, hasn't got the payoff with the Super Bowl this year. There's some off-season drama that happens when you are a good football team. And then there's the McCaffery injury on top of the IQ contract stuff and other guys, of course, that are really good football players that are beat up on their football team. And it all seems like it's finally just coming to a pinnacle where it's collapsing and crashing down here. Pinnacle. Damn. Microcosm and Pinnacle. I'm hot right now. Are you sure you were working college football and didn't actually go to college for the last last? Finally, go to class for the last four months. Damn. I'm a great graduate. Damn. Likey. But we'll see where it goes. Yeah, I think that, that, that to me is what it looks like. And then, you know, you look at it and the way they're playing right now, and we are at the time of the year where basically there's one or two teams that I would say aren't who they are. Like, right? Well, you are who you are. And the 49ers, defensive problems, offensive inconsistency, turnovers, mistakes and big moments, that's who they've been all year. And with their schedule that they got coming up, I don't see how the 49ers are really going to bounce back and make a real push here. I'll, I'll be very interested to see what happens. They're five and seven last place in the NFC West, but only two games behind the Seahawks. But you got to climb over two other teams to get there. It's different if you're second place and you got a straight shot. You got to climb over the Rams, you got to climb over the Cardinals and there's cross pollination. So some of these teams are necessarily going to win. You can't count on them or lose because they're going to play each other down the stretch. Right. But, but let me raise this. We were talking about this briefly before. Yeah. And, and look, see, they've got the Rams, they've got the Cardinals. Who knows what'll happen? Miami Lions, the last Monday night of the year bears coming up this weekend, bears have that possible interim coach bump with Thomas Brown taking over from that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't know. You don't know. And. Brock Purdy. I mentioned the stats earlier. Yeah. There was this presumption going into the season that there's just going to be a coronation is going to be this massive contract given to the last guy who was drafted in 2022, made this 32 second, 32 or 32nd start last night. I don't know that you just, I mean, you and I are both not in favor of this idea, okay, you're due for a new contract, you've played well enough to get one, you're going to be the highest paid player in history, right, that there's got to be an assessment of the situation that's fair to everyone. And we argued last year that the Dolphins should hold firm and not give a market level contract to them. Right. That the Lions should hold firm and not give a market value contract to Jared Goff. Now you could argue both guys when they've played, I mean, to a missed four games. Yeah. It's one of the reasons why you hesitate because they had another concussion and that's one of the checks in the cons box when you've got your pros and cons, right. But they've played well, but that's not what it's about. What's it about is, okay, if we don't give this guy a market level contract, what's he going to do? He might take our less than market level offer because he recognizes bird in the hand. Yeah. And secondly, if he says, no, and he bets on himself, is he going to perform so well that someone else is going to say, here's our wallet. Take whatever money you want, take all of it if you want. We just want to have you on our team. So I look at Brock Purdy and I say going into 2025. How much does it take to ensure that you're going to have him long term? Because I think even if he hits the open market, who's going to be like, Hey, we have to go get Brock. No, I think that we must go get Brock Purdy. It's a good marriage. They both need each other, right? But Brock Purdy is not the guy where I think struggling team are looking for a team that goes, Oh, wait, we're looking for our, our, you know, new franchise quarterback to carry us in the future. I don't think there's going to be a market out there where teams are going to make. Oh, yeah. Hey, Brock Purdy is the guy, you know, he's, he's so big. Oh, actually, he's not that big. He's got such a strong arm. Oh, actually his arms. Not that strong. Oh, he's so fat. Oh, he's a pretty good athlete like, no, no, that's, that's not going to happen. And yeah, Mike, you know, we've been one that I feel like at the start of this conversation or at the forefront of it, I've gone at some point, some of these NFL teams are going to stop doing this, pay some of the other mid level guys money. Don't always go to the, Hey, our new top receiver now gets to be the highest paid guy. There's got to be a benchmark or a line of demarcation to go away. We know this guy's the man at this position and we fall underneath that. And this is another example of that. I mean, the quarterback position, I think we all agree. I mean, it should be like, Hey, Patrick, my homes makes this. Nobody else makes more than that until you've proven you're in Patrick, my home's level, right? You can like dance around with it. It might be even. I understand that. But yeah, I do think this is the situation where I don't think there'll be a huge market for him. Everybody realizes this is a great matchup between him and Shanahan and how it works offensively that way. And then you're seeing in this year, just alone, where their defense isn't as dominant. They can't run the ball at will that the offense doesn't look anything like it did. And Brock party's not the guy that's going to close that gap necessarily to go. Hey, don't worry, we're hurt today. We're not running the ball. I'll make it happen for us like Josh Allen or other guys that we can talk about that are in that that conversation. Yeah. I'm going to elevate the team. Right. I'm going to separate from my teammates. And I'm going to go out and have on my own the kind of day that's going to potentially allow us to win. We don't see that from him. There's another dynamic as well. The length of the commitment when you do one of these deals, two years or three years. It's usually two years or three years. Sometimes it's year to year like it was with Gino Smith. But typically it's two. We saw it with several of the quarterbacks this year. It's a firm three year commitment, rarely does anyone do the five year to Sean Watson thing and the Browns got what they deserve for going against the grain in that regard. I just wonder, and I'm trying to factor in the width of dysfunction that floats around the 49ers front office because it was there before they lucked into Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. And I don't know that it's gone. It prompted Jed York, the CEO of the team at one point to declare publicly, you don't fire the CEO. That's how bad it got. When they went from Jim Harbaugh to Jim Tom Sewell to Chip Kelly, I just wonder if there's going to be hesitation to authorize a massive contract to Brock Purdy when potentially going into next season, you could have Jed York incorrectly thinking, maybe I'm going to make a change after 2025. Not that it's warranted, but you have to factor in how he will deal with a situation because we seek owners make bad decisions from time to time about whether to keep or whether to get rid of a coach. If Jed York is thinking and if Parag Marathe is telling him or whoever else he listens to is telling him, we need to let this all play out because maybe we're going to change coaches after 2025. And even if they shouldn't, that becomes a factor in making a commitment to that coaches quarterback. Yeah, right. I mean, I think that's a fair point. I would think and I would hope that the 49ers are at that process in their mind after it's Kyle Shanahan and he's been no question, one of the three best coaches in football over the last six or seven years, if not just plain old number two behind Andy Reed, the guy that he can't beat in the Super Bowl, but I understand what you're saying there. You're right. You got to see the future and what you're kind of expecting there. I expect Shanahan to be there. I think the bigger question for me, Mike, and I know we'll talk about the bills and what they did and how awesome they look here. But it isn't interesting with the 49ers and where they're falling here and where they're going in the future. They have some big future decisions to figure out in general. Yes. You've given big money to McCaffrey who's, again, it's a running back who's up there at age and as we're seeing, he's a little beat up. Trent Williams is up there. They gave big money to him. I yuke. Of course, they gave money to him. Now he's coming out and going to be dealing with a big time injury, right? George Kittle getting toward the end of his contract, also age getting up there. I mean, they're at the point where they have a lot of guys on their football team where you go, "Wait, do we continue to pay them going forward or do we cut the cord because we're getting to the point here where, "Oh, there is a little slippage. It is going downhill and they're at an age where I don't know if it's going to get any better or they'll stay healthy and they're going to have Lynch and Shanahan against some really tough decisions, I think, with some of these guys on the roster this year." Yeah, you're going to see some turnover, some reload, not necessarily rebuild, but it's on the fly. They're going to have to identify some of the larger contracts. They're going to have to squeeze guys. You may have some guys like Kyle Eustachik did this year who take less to stay put. That could happen. George Kittle could end up doing that. You could see some guys get traded. There was that weird report the last time the 49ers and the Seahawks got together. I understand that the folks who put out reports on Sundays have to come up with something, but it was this thing about how the 49ers wanted Debo Samuel and other Seahawks, wanted Debo Samuel and DK Metcalf and it just had this weird feel like the agents are starting to think where we're going to put Debo next year because it's going to be the end of the road for him in San Francisco. Let's create some interest in Debo Samuel. I feel like there will be some big names, some players who were part of this 49ers, nucleus who were gone. George Kittle said it last year. Yeah, he knew. Going into the air. Exactly right. He knew. He made a comment, right? Like this might be our last chance. This might be our last run with this football team. Yeah, they're getting at that point in the NFL. After four or five years, I don't care who you are. It's an eternity. It's an eternity. Everybody starts to think about turning over a football team and only the future is going to tell the 49ers who come off a close Super Bowl loss to the Kansas City Chiefs. That's what we're going to dissect going into the off team. Did they hold on to this team too long? Should they have gone, eh, it's over for the lifeline of that team that lost two Super Bowls to the Chiefs. So we got the NFC championship. Let's refurbish and get younger and do that. No, they just tried to stay with it, which I understand it's almost, it's really hard to pull the plug out and what you had. We were there yet again up 10 points in the second half of the Super Bowl against the Chiefs. Right. Why are we going to tear this thing down? Exactly right. Right. And I think that led to some, you know, some, maybe some decisions with, with the football team and whatever just to keep it going. Well, yeah, big picture wise, I don't know if that's the best thing for them and we'll see how this all shifts out. I think they were counting on Brandon Iyuk, happily accepting whatever it was going to be 14 million in your option and they were too stubborn and they waited too long and they created problems that trickled into the season and it just set a bad atmosphere. Yes. I think we kind of sensed that something like this, we definitely did. We did. Once, and then once the injury start, it's 2020 all over again. Yeah. Yeah. That's correct. And I think you couple that with the fact that you didn't win the Super Bowl, you've played the physical brand of football in a lot of games over the last five years. It's all catching up to them right now. I don't know. As we sit here, you saw their schedule, they're five and seven before we switched to the Buffalo Bills. What do you think? You think the 49ers can make this happen? I know they're alive in the West like you talked about. Well, nobody's out of it. Do you feel it? What's past and meatball said to you? All right. Let's assume the Lions win the NFC North. Yeah. They're most likely not going to catch the Vikings who hold the tiebreaker head to head with the 49ers or the Packers who hold the head to head tiebreaker there. Five games behind the Vikings with five to play. That's probably already they can't catch the like west is the only way to go. They have to win though. They have to climb over the other two teams and take down the Seahawks. And if it was just a straight shot like the Buccaneers had, not that long ago, two games behind the Atlanta Falcons, fine. But when you have to climb over teams that aren't going to lose all of their games and sink to the bottom, that becomes a bigger challenge. So I think it's going to be very difficult for them. I think that when Steve Kornaki returns next week, he starts spouting off 49ers percentages. They are not going to be good. I don't think so. If they lose one more, they're probably done. I don't think nine and eight's going to be good enough this year in the NFC. I mean, Washington's already one went away from getting to nine and the Packers and the Vikings are there. It's going to take 10 to get in. It might be the first time in a 17 game field that it takes 11 to get in. Yeah, it might. It might. I mean, I would agree with you. You made me bet or I had to put money down and get in this conversation. I'd sit here right now and go with the way the 49ers look, the way they've played, right? The attitude, what we saw last night, just kind of physically getting beat up for the second week in a row, I don't think it's there. I mean, they're going to have to capture some magic that I just, I haven't seen them have at this, at this point of the year. Put the graphic back up, please, because I don't want to completely surrender this argument, even though it will never go anywhere. The idea of the Seahawks at seven and five hosting the nine and three Packers and the Falcons at six and six hosting the 10 and two Vikings is freaking ridiculous. But they'll never change the current structure because in theory, you've got a one in four chance of hosting a playoff game every year because the best of four teams or the least bad of four teams who are in that same division each and every year are guaranteed hosting a playoff game. They'll never change that as unfair as it looks if the Falcons are four games worse than the Vikings. I mean, the Vikings could blow the Falcons off the field on Sunday when a cousin goes back to Minnesota, it will still be potentially Vikings at Falcons in the wildcard round. There's nothing the Vikings can do about it short of catching the lions. No, no, they're, they're not. You're right. I mean, it's, it's one of them. Maybe the, the flaws of the system, but the system as it, as we know, it is pretty damn good. And I got no issue with that, but people will argue, people will argue like when the Seahawks beat the Saints in 2010, when the Saints were like four or five games better. Well, the fact that the Seahawks won proves they're the better team. Right. But you pack that game up and you play it in the super dumb, the Saints are going to win that game. Yeah, it's a different football game. There's a lot of factors that go into that too. Sometimes you get a little easier schedule. How it shakes out, you know, in those years too, Seattle, their division wasn't bad. It was tough there as far as that's concerned. So it was highly competitive. There's a lot of things that go into that, but I hear what you're saying, and there's going to be some pissed off on the road wildcard teams in week one this year. That's just the way it's going to be. Yeah, you're going to have, we could have Green Bay and Minnesota on the road going. They're both, you know, 13 and four or 14 and three, who knows how it shakes out here. But yeah, the NFC and like you said, I don't think nine and eight's going to get it done. It's going to be extremely, extremely tight. It looks like it's a 10 and seven type of year there for the seventh seed. And I can't remember a year when you've gone three teams deep in one division that are that that good records that that fattened up. I agree. It kind of speaks to how, you know, how the schedules worked out for them and some of the cross conference play. Yeah. And they beat up exactly right. They beat up on some of those teams, exactly right. So those are the two probably worst divisions in football. When you find a deal on your favorite thing in the McDonald's app and order it, does that technically count as online shopping? Save money with the app. At participating McDonald's prices may vary. 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So the bills now, and Sean McDermott, the head coach said this after the game, the goal is the number one seed, the one game behind the Chiefs, and they hold the tiebreaker. We're going to do a little Thanksgiving leftovers segment later, but both number one seeds should have lost between Thanksgiving Day and Black Friday. Yeah, yeah. The Lions should have lost in the Chiefs. The Chiefs definitely should have lost. The Chiefs definitely. And think of how different the vibe would be right now if the bills in the aftermath of that snow game are now the number one seed in the AFCE. Right. Yeah. The Lions, I don't feel as strongly as they should have lost. They should have gone to overtime. At least we don't know what would have happened over time. The Chiefs should have lost. Chiefs should have lost. Chiefs were outplayed. The other thing with the Lions that I think you got to take into account, I know we'll hit it on a little bit. Some of those injuries, I think we're deflating. Oh, yeah. We'll talk about that. That's going to be a problem. They may not hold the one seed in the NFC with all those injuries. But the Buffalo Bills continue to go upward trajectory, continue to show us, you, me, anybody out there that this is a different Buffalo Bills team than we've seen the last few years. Again, we know Josh Allen's the man, but they don't have to depend on Josh Allen every play every minute. It's just a smattering of Josh Allen. Hey, make a big play here. Do this there, but they're a complete football team. Their defense isn't super awesome, but it's damn good. It's well coached and they're going to make you work for everything. So that's never going to be easy. The offensive side of the ball, it's they're becoming, I would say, elite on that side of the ball between him, between the bind they put teams on again, like you saw last night. The 49ers had no chance of stopping the run. I mean, the Bills are putting teams in position on opposing defenses where they did this to the Chiefs too. It's like, oh no, they're going to overpower us or, oh no, we're never going to get to Josh Allen if we just rushed for it. So we got to put people in line of scrimmage. We got to play aggressive there. And then as you see last night and we've seen a bunch of other weeks, they got more guys that can make plays down the field in the past game and beat man to man coverage than ever before. So when you coupled out with the old line and people having to crowd the box and do all that, the Bills got something working. The Bills are no question one of the best teams in football. And I think for sure the best team in the AFC, right? And you're surprised by that. I am. I did not think we were going to see this. I didn't know, I mean, I think the trade for Amari Cooper was good. The key on Coleman, I know he's been banged up, but that's another guy that can beat man to man coverage. Khalil Shakir has taken a step up, you know, Dalton Kincaid went to another level as compared to last year and I didn't believe that they would literally be dedicated to the run like they are. Right? I thought, oh, they'll fall back into the same bull crap the Bills do every year. They'll go, we want to run the ball and be tough this year. And by week three, they'll go, let's just throw it 50 times a game with Josh Allen because he's our best player. And that's where I am surprised by it. And I'm impressed by it and impressed by the moves they made during the trade deadline. But this right here, I mean, we're seeing a lot of this every week with Buffalo right now. We have a whole big plays James Cook pushed a pile, whatever you want to be. They have a true physical brand and style that they did not have these other years where they lost the Chiefs in the playoffs or the bangles or whatever. They're not going to be compromised physically up front against some of these better teams of football like the past. And now they've got their opportunity if we've got their remaining schedule, they have a chance to chase down the Chiefs and maybe make Kansas City, not the Kansas City can't play in the elements. Yeah, right. You make them go on the road last year. They had to go on the road to Buffalo and then to Baltimore and it was an uphill climb in both games. And I think the fact that they were underdogs in both games helped them and they defied everyone's expectations by winning those games. You still want to have those games at home. If you can, you want the week off. If you can get it, you want to force the Chiefs to play another game while you're resting up and recovering and getting ready for an eventual rematch with Kansas City back in Buffalo. But coming up, Buffalo to Troy, that should be the next two weeks or no, that might be it. That might be a significant game. After that, they get to do a tour of the division. Well, Ramsey did not even a tour, not a full tour. They get the Patriots twice in the final three weeks, which once upon a time would have been must see TV. Now not. Then they get the Jets in between. But yeah, the Rams who I frankly think we're talking about the NFC West earlier. I think the Rams are of the four team, they're the team I'd be concerned about because they've got the experience, they've got the pedigree, they've got the talent, they can make in-game coaching changes or adjustments. You know, definitely I'm with you Mike. Nobody's going to want to see Stafford and Cooper Cup and Puke Knacou and Kyra Williams walking into town. Well, wildcard weekend. And I know you're. And I still firmly believe that the Lions don't, of all the teams that the Lions want coming in. I mean, you don't want the Vikings or the Packers coming in, but you don't want Matthew Stafford coming back to town. Well, yeah, that's going to be a lot of pressure on them regardless. I just think generally in the NFC, you don't want the Rams in the playoffs. Any of those teams don't want to face the run. Give me any of the other teams in the NFC West right now than the Rams. And they may have, they may have a chance if they can work their way through and catch the Seahawks. But, but the Bills, I agree with you, they're better than I think anyone expected them to be. They're, and we always say this at the beginning of the season, you're, you're going to get better, you're going to get worse. You're not going to be the team that you were in early September. And we've seen them just continue and they get better and better and they've addressed their flaws. And this whole idea of Gabe Davis and Stefan Diggs and four of their top receivers from last year are gone. Oh, no, what are they going to do? And the whole Stefan Diggs thing, like what was he doing last year? People were like, Oh, they can't survive. That's fun. Diggs. Once they change coordinators from Ken Dorsey to Joe Brady, they, Diggs was like an after kill, they stopped putting it on a pedal, they stopped going, wait, let's stop formulating the offense around a guy that's really a number two receiver in football. Why are we going all in on let's make the play for a number two receiver? That's really what it was. And then off of that, their number two receivers really a number three or a number four receiver in Gabe Davis. So that's where they were compromised. They are far more dangerous with this group right here. Amari Cooper is way scarier than anybody on that team last year, man to man. And that goes again, even for Khalil Shakir, who continues to get better and better. And then Dalton can Kate and Dawson knocks when they're healthy and going. They got that ability. Mac Hollins, you saw him last night, you know, quirky, funny, weird guy walking in the stadium with those shoes on, even though it's 20 degrees, doesn't matter. Whatever team he's on, he's a down the field deep threat. So they found the right personnel to fit the right formula or the formula in which they play. Football, worry about that, worry about Josh Allen running the football. And then as soon as you come up there, now they got some guys in a system that can capitalize down the field and they're playing good football. And yeah, you know, I know I said last night, I think the Lions and the Eagles are a little bit in their own class. I think they're the two best teams in the football. I think the Bills are just on the outside looking in on that. They're very close to that and they can probably change my mind here down the stretch. But they're the team in the AFC group of real contenders. Just seems to keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Right. Yes. Yes. And it may be down to three or four. I hear. It may be down to three. I mean, I look at, I'm with you. There's some teams I think we're still out to judgment here a little bit. But I mean, yeah, I'm with you in Detroit, Philadelphia, Buffalo. We're definitely to Kansas City. We're hitting that. You know, Pittsburgh, the way they're playing, they're starting to make me think, wow, they can really make a run and do the Super Bowl thing where I thought it was just maybe a playoff type of football team. Green Bay is the other team. I really look at, you know, I think they're extremely talented. There's three factors. No matter how good the best teams look and as if they've separated number one, you do have the possibility that there's going to be a team that just catches fire and figures shit out and irons out their laws and gets better and better and better down the stretch. And then they're going to be formidable in the postseason injuries are the thing that can drag down a great team case in point the Lions defense. And then number three, at the end of the day, they don't play best to five. They don't play best to three. It's 60 minutes of football and it can all evaporate that specialty and say that's a pretty special season. You got there would be a shame if something happens to it. Yeah. In 60 minutes on a Saturday afternoon, especially after you've been off for a week and a team that just want to play off game is coming in with nothing to lose exactly a little sweat going and they catch it with an uppercut. All right. And the next thing you know, your special seasons over exactly that can happen too. And we see it happen almost every year. Yeah. Right. Exactly right. You know, it's what happened to Baltimore last year. Hey, look at where the team were the best. So we don't care. The Chiefs are coming into town. What? Oh no. Our office can't get going. Holy crap. It's late in the fourth quarter and we're still not getting going. Yeah. We've seen that before. So we'll see where it goes with the bills big win by them and they continue to look like their dominant force in the AFC. You mentioned the Ravens. Yeah. It was prior to that game last year against the Chiefs and Justin Tucker, one of the best kickers in NFL history, he decided to poke the bear. The bear is still poking him back. Apparently and apparently you might be a part of these paws or something. You might be. You might be one of these guys. I didn't put the Molochi on this. The Molochi. I love it. I love it. Somebody put the Molochi on Justin Tucker. It must have been Travis Kelsey. Maybe it was Patrick Mahoney. He can't make kicks. I don't think they know that word. I think it was you. I think you put it out. Yeah. It's Italian, but the curse. It's a curse. He put a curse on him. But something's gotten in Justin Tucker's head and he hasn't been the right sense. It just shows you how difficult that job is. It looks routine. But once you fall off the horse, you can't get yourself back on it. No. And it gets in your head and this is my opportunity and I remember when Tyler Bass told me a few weeks ago after making that 61 yarder for the Bills to win the game, you're only as good as your next kick. You got to forget all the last kicks and you just got to go out and embrace the moment when it's time to make your next kick. That's right. My dad told me this a long time ago. He goes, "It's kickers the only position on the football field that's not reactionary," right? So they really feel pressure. Pressure is different for them. Quarterback, hey, you can break the huddle and go, "Oh wow, this is a big moment." But you've got so many things you're a control of and worried about it. You don't have time to think about the moment. You're like, "Wait, what's my check? What's the defense in? Oh my gosh, shall we lined up the right way? Holy clack. Holy crap. Where's the clock at? Am I going to get it off in time? Oh wait, I've got to check through this place. So you don't have time to think about, "Oh no, this is a big moment." You know, mom and dad are watching on TV right now. Kickers got that time to think that. They're sitting there kicking a ball into the net going, "Oh man, how far is it going to be?" Man, I've missed a few. Okay, let me buckle down here. Come on. Let me try to change my mojo. Right, there's just so many things that go into it and he's obviously in a spot right now where he's struggling and we've never seen it. He's the greatest fieldball kicker we've ever seen and he's definitely going through it right now. How similar to or different from that is a quarterback coming back from an interception? Yeah, I still think this is harder than coming back from an interception. An interception for a quarterback, you're still reactionary. You're a little bit timid maybe, right? That's where it gets you as a quarterback. And you're right back at it. You're right back at it. And you're, "Oh wait, this guy's about to sack me. Oh, he's at all this." So again, you don't have time to think about it much, right? There might be a moment where you go, "Oh wait, that's a little tight down field. I just do an interception. Maybe I won't throw that and I'll take the easy way out." Right? That can happen, but you're not in your own head like, "Oh no, I'm not seeing the game the right way. I've got issues like that." And that's where I do feel for kickers. Well, I was surprised by the outcome yesterday. It was one of the games we disagreed on. I thought I had learned all the lessons to be learned about the Ravens. The Ravens and Lamar Jackson against NFC teams, the Ravens and Lamar Jackson when the lights are wrong, it feels like a big deal. We saw it last year when I thought the 49ers would absolutely dismantle them on Christmas night and I was wrong. We saw it this year when I thought the buck of the years would beat them on Monday night and I was wrong. And last Monday night, we both thought that the Chargers would beat them and we were wrong. And this just lined up as, "Okay, here comes another NFC team that doesn't deal with Lamar Jackson on a regular basis." Even though they have Jalen Hertz, Lamar Jackson is in a higher level of overall ability than Jalen Hertz. It's not disrespectful to point out the reality. Oh, Lamar is the man. He's the greatest we've ever seen. And the Eagles were able to handle them. The Eagles were able to neutralize that offense. I think they maybe should have showcased Derrick Henry a little bit more. That's right. They get away. They just head away with a promise where they just kind of like and it's like, "Oh, we're saving it." What are they doing? I mean, 19 carries 82 yards. But it was working. 4.3 yards per carry. You want to see more from him than what we saw yesterday. I think they could play through him more. And that doesn't have to be necessarily all the time about just, you know, he has to put a few numbers. He can take over a game. He can take over a game. The attempts are the most important thing. The attempts are what make them dangerous and scary because you start to worry about, "Oh gosh, Derrick Henry of the middle. Derrick Henry of the middle." "Oh no, Nalabar kept it off the edge. Oh, Derrick Henry of the middle. Oh, Lamar off the edge. Oh, now they faked the Derrick Henry of the middle. Nalabar dropped back to pass. Oh no, now Zaflowers is open for a 50 yard game. That's when they're at their best. And I think what you're saying and we all say at times is they get a little pass happy. And they have a little bit of a thing when they lose a game, they come back and go, "We're going to run the ball." And then they win that game and then they go back, "We're going to go back to throw on the ball." But you said all those things, NFC, prime time, all those cool things, and you're right about the Ravens except for one thing. None of those teams are the fucking Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah. The Eagles, baby. The Eagles are the most talented team in football. It is amazing. It is amazing that they figured it out. They were two and two at the bar. They went back to Tampa Bay and got embarrassed in the same place where they got embarrassed in the wildcard round. And they got that week off and they figured something out. They never been the same. It's just continued. Like we talked about with Buffalo, it's just every week. Big Dom found a way to reverse the Melocchio that somebody put on in the last year when they were 10 and one. Well, he knows this special Italian magic magic. He got it figured out, baby. He's this. You've got to do it back this way. And then you've got the chain and it's got a picture of you. That's why he got rid of the Melocchio. But you know what now? And yesterday would have been the game. Yeah, Big Dom. Yesterday was the kind of equivalent of the 49ers game last year where it all started to go wrong for the Eagles, and they did not let that happen. You know, big late afternoon game against a high end opponent and you get punched in the mouth and all of a sudden you can't win. Yeah. Now, that doesn't mean it's not going to happen at some point between now and then, but it feels like they've exercised those demons last year. Definitely. And Eagles fans getting mad when I point that out. And it just is another example of fans get mad when we point out the things that the fans are secretly worried about. And they get pissed off when somebody reminds them of the thing they don't want to think about. And they don't want to think about the fact that last year the Eagles shaft the bed down the stretch. They lost their magic and they couldn't get it back. And now that we're getting to the stretch run and here they are with eight wins in a row, 10 and two breathing down the lines next. Is it going to happen again? And they don't want to talk about it. They don't want to think about it. But how can you not? Yeah. You're here to articulate the things that you're thinking about that you don't want to talk about because that's the thing that's keeping you up at night when you're worrying about what your team's going to do and are they going to be able to pull this off? Yeah. Right. Now they don't think about it. They don't have to think about it anymore. The yesterday is the official leg. You are you're over the hump. You're real. You're incredible football team and you're the most talented team in football. They know who they are. They play to that. Like you've heard me say for about five weeks for now. Now if Jalen Hurst doesn't turn the ball over, they're almost impossible to beat. Like impossible. I don't care how it looks. And again, what they did and we this is what this is where the game is special yesterday. We can't forget what we saw here. This is Lamar Jackson and Baltimore. It's been the best offense in football. If they don't have that last drive, their offense today sucks yesterday. They got 70 yards on a drive where the game was over. They were down by two scorers and Philadelphia didn't really give a damn and they were kind of celebrating as they were backpedaling down the football field. I mean, that day and what Lamar did, it had been in the in the one seventies throwing the football. They'd have been under 200 yards of total offense. Nothing would it. It looked a lot worse 24 12 of them weren't for that last drive. That Eagle defense, that front four they have, I'll put it up there with anybody in the game right now. I think Jalen Carter has entered the the conversation for best defensive player in football with TJ Watt and some others to be named. And then, of course, we've talked about this secondary, young, talented, all right, speed up the edge as far as corner CJ Gardner Johnson and you know, the kid Cooper Dajean and Blankenship are good. The middle linebacker plays good. They got depth at the pass rusher position. They got it all and you saw really, Baltimore not really moved the ball surgically yesterday. Any play and you go back and watch the game. It was Lamar danced around. He bought some time and then found somebody down in the field. It wasn't like he dropped back to pass, took a hit and went, oh, it's in rhythm. Guys, you're just open everywhere. Fangio has got the Eagles playing and that guy right there, number 98 is the man. You make a great point. It was 24 12 with a minute left. Right. And yeah, you're you're not it ain't over to it. It's over. You're not scoring 12 points in a minute. Exactly. Right. They'll touch down with seven, they call the play. The play starts with seven seconds left on the clock. There's no way they're going to win the game 24 19. You know, this is the flip side of when you see a team punt, when the game still isn't over, but they don't want the final score to end up looking worse than it already does so they can see exactly this is the flip side of it. This is like a 24 12. It'll go a little bit better as the final score on a day when most of the games were one score games like a 24 12, you catch your asses kicked by the Eagles. Yeah. This makes it look like less of an ass kicking than it was, but it was right, right. And you know, and again, not and this is a, you know, a Baltimore defense, we know that's not real good, but they match up pretty good with Philadelphia. And this is why. And again, you know this and I think anybody that's watching Philadelphia turn on the film and do that. They don't do a lot on offense. You're not going to look at it and go, Oh, wow, they're reinventing the wheel and what a great idea and wow, you know, Jalen Hertz is playing high end surgical football from the pocket. No, that's, that's not what they are. It can look a little ugly at times, but again, they know what they're going to do. They know how to do it. They know how to do it for every defensive look they got. So they execute Baltimore's big up front. They could stop the run and or at least go, Hey, we don't have to be desperate to stop the run and we can play two deep safeties and help out on AJ Brown to do it. That's where they were a good matchup for the Eagles offense that way. And let's not forget, they didn't even have Devontae Smith out there. That would have changed things too. So you know, they, they gave the Eagles offense problems is what I'm saying. But as we see in every game, as games go on, Eagles find their little core of plays they like and they're going to strike at some point and they lean on you and they wear you out. And then the most physically gifted team in football right now, and I think the best team in football right now, when you take into the Lions injuries and stuff like that, well, and take one, Barkley had another hundred yard game, right? Touchdown. Yeah. The MVP race just to check that box because it is, it is fun to talk about it and it changes week to week. And at the end of the day, look at the Eagles catch the Lions for the number one seed that significantly, even if they're awesome in the number two seed, right? Because, well, to say, well, Barkley going to, going to overcome Jared Goff because he's the MVP candidate that the Lions would have to offer up. But I think it's basically Barkley and Josh Allen right now. I think so. That's what I was hoping you said. Doesn't, doesn't yesterday's game essentially serve as an elimination between Lamar Jackson and take one ball? I mean, doesn't it? Your logic and what we've seen in this whole thing throughout, and you were one of the first people ever on this and we're watching it again here. Watch this. I mean, they're just leaning on them. And again, this Baltimore Raven defense, it's really good to stop in the run. But I don't think it's as good as it statistically is, you know, ranked. I think, you know, they got a little fortunate in some teams they played that aren't great at running the ball. And that's helped them. You see teams that can run the ball. They seem to move it on Baltimore on the ground a little bit better than people expect. But I mean, to your point, yeah, the MVP conversation and what we've seen in the past, like if you're not a really good one-seater or two seed, you've got to, those are the MVP candidates. And that's what we're talking about. And right now we're talking about Lamar Jackson and them are going to be fighting for the six and seven seed as we sit here. I know they got the tiebreaker with the Broncos, but damn, they lose another game here. We're going to be sitting here going, the Ravens got to hang on here down the home stretch to make sure they make the playoffs. And the odds reflected right now, Josh Allen is in negative territory, negative 210 to be the MVP. And Barclays at plus three-fifths. Wow. He's not a negative still? Well, after last, well, after last night with Josh Allen with what he did last night. Nice plays. Yeah. In that setting, prime time, in the snow, first person in league history to have a touchdown throw, a touchdown catch, and a rush to touchdown the same game. Every big moment when they can put a team away, he always makes the play to put them away. That's right now. So the stats don't always look pretty, but he makes the play in the moment to where you go. Well, there you go. They're up three scores. The game's over now. And that's where his beauty comes into play. And the drop from Barkley at plus three-fifty goes to Lamar at plus nine-fifty. Oh, wow. That's right behind him. Wow. And then it's all the way down to my homes at plus 2,800. So it's down to three guys and really two guys at this point. And I do think it's fair to say between Saequan and Lamar, Saequan nudged him out of the conversation last night. And I had this vision last night of the Ravens slipping all the way to the seventh seed, which isn't impossible. What if it's Ravens who beat the hell out of the Bills earlier this year going to Buffalo in the wildcard round? That would be one of the worst matchups for the Bills, right? You talk all the time, it's a matchup league. And a team can be better in totality than most of the league, but there's two or three teams that you go, "Oh, they just don't match up well with them in certain areas." And Buffalo, having to play Baltimore would definitely be one of the least favorable things for Buffalo in the first round. And yeah, that would be not what you'd want to see necessarily. Because now Buffalo, their big physical offensive line might not be able to, again, like we just talked about, move that Baltimore Ravens defense line that way and have control and put defenses in binds like we've talked about that Buffalo can do right now. So yeah, that'd be interesting. But the other part of that, too, that's changed from Buffalo, Baltimore, part one, if part two does go down. As Buffalo's offense is way better now. And I do think they'd be able to throw the ball at will on Baltimore. And that would be the problem, too, in that game. So yeah, we got some matchups that could be awesome here going forward. Let's hear a little from Lamar Jackson before we wrap this segment on leaving plays on the field last night and what the loss means to the Ravens bigger objectives. Looking back, do you feel like there were some opportunities to run today for you that you may have passed up? Yeah. My momma just told me that she just cuts me out. So I'm mad, so we're going to get after it, but I ain't going to get after it. I can't wait to just get on. We got the Giants coming up. I'm ready to go. I'm just ready to go, man. So what did she cut you out about? She said with lanes, I should have took the Rams, but I was just trying to let guys develop rocks. We had developing rocks. I was just trying to go through my progression, but yes, you're right, I'm going to do my ****. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for this. I'm just mad. When these games, and we, we're not getting them done. The more big picture, and then to buy eight and five, you're getting a half behind the Steelers. Where do you think the full team is? We don't need to worry about the Steelers. We need to worry about us. That's the first thing we're worried about, we need to clean up on this side, clean that shit up. Forget every other team. We need to be being ourselves, the opportunities, we're not making them happen. You know, we need to make those critical situations happen, and we're not doing it. Usually, we believe that. I like it when we don't. I like it when we don't. It's rated R baby. I like his energy. There's some interesting things he said there. Now, one, I love how he said it. It's not about the Steelers and all that. It's about us, right? So he's right about that. They got to stop. They got to clean their own stuff up and play better that way. The other part of that, you know, his mom telling him he's a run more, and he kind of way he kind of swear it again. And I'm just going to be like, that was like, I wonder what that's going to mean there. And again, Lamar, the offense has been doing really well, and don't don't totally reinvent the offense and the way you play here going forward. He made it sound like he was like, Hey, the hell with it. I'm just going to start running all the time now. When I drop back to pass, if I don't see anybody open, I'm just going to run. And he's most dangerous when he's been doing what he's been doing and what we saw yesterday. When he buys time and then fires a flowers down the field wide open, that's when they're at their best. So I just hope he doesn't get frustrated and start to go start pressing and start going, I got to make a play. I'm going to make the big run right here. And he does that. That's when first round loss against the Tennessee Titans and the division around when you're in a number one scene, that that's when that happens. Oh, I fumbled because I was trying to make too much happen. All that. I don't want to see him go down that road. They have week 14 off. He mentioned the bye week to get through the bye week and get rolling at the Giants. So they should be able to win that one week 15, then they've got the Saturday game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, which moved to Saturday so that it would only be four days, not three days between Saturday and Christmas on Wednesday. Was that our travel to the Steelers on? We've got Chiefs Texans on that Saturday, Fox has Steelers Ravens and then they're at the Texans on Christmas day and they finish up with the Cleveland Browns coming to town and the Cleveland Browns aren't pushovers either. Cleveland Browns already beat them once this year. And last year, the signature to Sean Watson, when the only win of significance during his time with the Browns was when they went to Baltimore and beat them and it was just the days after that we found out that Watson's shoulder was messed up and he's done for the year. So the Ravens have some work to do on this by week. It's tough to go into two weeks off, wanting so badly to come back and prove that what happened yesterday was not a reflection of what they really are. They have four chances left and they're a game and a half behind the Steelers and the Steelers hold the tiebreaker head to head, but obviously the Ravens get a chance to even that out when they meet in a couple of weeks. Let's take a break when we return the NFC South race gets even tighter. Does anyone want to win the NFC South? We'll discuss that next on PFT Live presented by Accenture. You work in tough conditions and those conditions are brutal for your construction vehicles. Your engines need filters that stand up to the extreme environment. Wicks heavy duty filters are built to withstand whatever you can dish out, engineered to extend service intervals and keep your equipment running. Less downtime means you get more done. 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Hour 1: Mike Florio (@ProFootballTalk) and Chris Simms (@CSimmsQB) discuss latest news in NFL including Bills clinching AFC East with win over 49ers and Eagles taking down Ravens in Baltimore.
