Do you know that in South Africa you don't necessarily have to be okay, you can be born in South Africa in all, but don't necessarily become a citizen? And don't automatically become a citizen, when I, when I pledge the legions and the flag on the United States of America. And you know how much they selling their citizenship? Five hundred years? Three hundred years! Why are black Americans called African-Americans? Bless you. [speaking in foreign language] And I'm like, what's good? Oh, boring, right? Yeah, what's good. I have a question. Do you know that in South Africa you don't necessarily have to be okay, you can be born in South Africa. You know, but don't necessarily become a citizen, and don't automatically become a citizen. Wait, wait, wait, we want, what do you do in South Africa? Yes. You can be born there, but it does not automatically make you become a citizen. What? So there's something called a rule by land and rule by blood. Okay. A rule by land is how you American citizens and some countries do it. Like there's a very big portion of, in fact, I'm going to put up the map, there's a very big portion of the world that is ruled by land and ruled by blood. Okay. So you are ruled by land as the American, so as you can see in the map, no majority of North America and South America, and just a tiny bit of Africa are ruled by land and majority of Europe and the rest of the world, Asia, you name it, including South Africa, all the red parts, as you can see in the map, is ruled by blood. What does that mean? It means that it's a law called the yarn sunnages, okay, I'm saying it wrong, I'm really literally killing it, but what it basically means is that you don't automatically become a citizen if you are born in that country, interesting, right? So this debate became very, very rapid, a couple of months ago when we had a lady who most will know Chidima Vanessa, who was born in South Africa, born of Nigerian father, and a Mozambican mother, Mozambique is another country in Africa, so before even the claims of identity fraud came up because apparently the parents registered her as a South African child, born of a mother with South African roots, because they knew the law. This became, it trended from months on end, and we were off-air at that time, so we couldn't really talk on it. So when we were talking about this earlier today, I was like, okay, let's just put that as an episode, because many people are like you, because you were stunned by the fact that a person can be born in that country and not necessarily have a citizen of that country. Yeah. So what does citizenship mean in a country born of blood or ruled by blood versus ruled by land? So Americans, like I said, especially North and South America, very few portions of Africa ruled by land. So in America, when you are born, they automatically become a citizen in South Africa and the rest of the world, you have to have a parent who is either South African, at least one of them, be born of South African or a permanent resident of South Africa in order for you to qualify as a South African. So I just want to go through this so that people have a better understanding what it is. Because when this happened with the cheat in my case, who was running for Miss South Africa, she was in Miss South Africa parent's pantry. So she wanted to represent South Africa, and South Africa said, no, hell to the, no. Because they felt like she, yes, she was born in South Africa, but she was not, she didn't know the culture of South Africa, because just like, for example, I'm making an example of myself, I live in the United States, but my culture has never left me. So living in a country does not mean that you automatically become a citizen of that country. That's how we look at it when you, when the country rules by blood versus by land. Because first of all, it was claimed that she does not know none of the languages that are spoken in South Africa besides because her parents are not either all. They're not, none of them are South African. So why would they speak, why would they at home speak South African language when none of them are South African? One was Nigerian and one was from Mozambique, you know, so of course, in home, they probably were speaking English, which became the home language. Yes, English is one of the official languages in South Africa, but when you are black, we expect you to speak one of the native languages. Right. So this kind of, you know, thing that we do in South Africa, like I said, I cannot pronounce this word. It's the yes, yes, sing-ness, law, whatever it means. It says that you have to be as your assistant by descent, okay, which means like I said already, that a child who is born outside of South Africa, you can be born outside of South Africa by at least one South African parent. So you can be born in South Africa. One of the parents must be South African or hold a, yeah, must be South African, right? And if you're born outside of South Africa, so our children can claim South African citizenship because mom is South African. So they can become dual citizens, even though they will be born in America, they become Americans automatically because that's how America functions, it's a rule of land. We are rule of blood. So it has to be ancestry has to come from the blood. If there's no blood connection, forget it. So and that's the difference between American and United States because if our baby was born and born in South Africa, they cannot be citizens. Unless they can. Oh, because I'm a citizen. No, because they can in America because first of all, my dad is American, right? And mom is going to be American very soon. Mom. Let me through that because that's coming up to the pipeline. Okay. I'm not excited to lose my citizenship. I'll be a dual citizen. Don't get, get that straight. Okay. So, so my allegiance will forever be South African and as well when I, when I pledge. The legions and the flag of the United States of America to the Republic, the greatest country in the world. Whatever. Anyway. It is one. It is the greatest. Let's not go then. Yeah. That's the topic for another day. Okay. So when we rule about blood, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a Latin word which I'm not going to try saying I'm going to write it in the thing. It's a printable where a person's citizenship or nationality is determined by their nationality or citizenship of their country, how you are this American, they're a parent. I'm doing a little quiz and he's getting it wrong. I do have a question. Yeah. Do you have a question? I did just honor me. After all that information, I gave him and then I'm giving him a, like a quick quiz and then he gets it wrong. Yeah. I do have a, I'm learning him. I do have a question because you know in America, right? Yeah. You know, when you're going through citizenship, you know, um, you gotta, you gotta go through a lot. Yeah. You get to citizenship. So rule by blood. Yeah. Now do I have to go through the same process to be a citizenship? A citizen. A citizen. That's correct. That's because you keep making that. Okay. A citizen ship is, is, is, is the paper. No, it's nationality. I'm a citizen ship. Okay. I'm missing. I'm getting messed up myself. But you understand. I got you. I'm a citizen. Yeah. But I have citizenship of South Africa. So African. Yeah. That's the thing I want to show. Because you rule by blood, you know, South Africa rule by born in South Africa. Yeah. So now do it. Do what I mean? Do I have to? Is there a long process? It is in America. It's for me to become a citizen. So I just, this is in South Africa, you, you, you, for you, it's not, it's, of course it's long. I mean, they have to prove that you qualify to become a citizen. So you're already married to a South African citizen. But yeah, but not even by blood, but I'm already a citizen because, because even when you get nationalization, you can marry someone and give them citizenship. Right? Even if you were not born there, right? But in our case, I am already citizen by blood. I'm already citizen by birth, okay? Not by place of locate, because this is this is the way people are not getting it. You get a place of birth and place of, of, of, and, and, and, and, and parents having being your parents being there to different things in America, that's why it's by land because you are born there. So it's that's by place of birth. For us, it's by your ancestral, because you can claim your citizenship if your parents were of South African citizenship, citizen, right? So say, for example, I was never, I was born in America, like our kids. They can claim South African citizenship through mom because mom is a South African citizen. You understand now? I got you. At the end of time, yes. You, for example, married to a South African citizen. You can become a South African citizen, a South African citizen by marriage. Okay. Yeah. That's why we have a lot of people going into South Africa, marrying South Africans just so that they become citizens. Okay. And you know how much they selling their citizenship? No. 500 years. 300. And you know how much they selling it in America? 10,000. No, that was 20, 30 years ago. For real? Yes. Now it's 30,000. 20,000? Oh, yeah. 25,000. That's like 300,000. 300,000. No, that's like almost 500,000 because they understand what it was, the value of being a citizen of that country, you know, and listen, it goes by inflation 30 years ago, it was 10,000. No. Hey, you pay. I never experienced this. Oh no. Thank God. Yeah. I didn't buy it. Okay. I did not. Right. So you understand the different rules that America, you automatically being born. That's why you have a lot of foreigners coming in, highly pregnant and hiding their pregnancy. But as soon as your child lands in this country and gets born, yeah, they're automatic. And then when they turn 18, they can always claim for their parents. Yes, they can. And underneath them to become citizens as well. So some parents will would come in illegally, whatever, and just wait until their child becomes 18 so that they get their citizenship. So if they don't want to purchase, because you can purchase, I never said it. I was just saying in South in America, we call it citizenship by dissent. Okay. When a child is born outside the US, they can acquire citizenship at birth, if at least one parent of this of is a US citizen. Okay. Yeah. So they can be born outside, but then they have to go to the process of applying. If one person is one parent is a South is an American citizen. Yes. I mean, as a South Africa, but the thing is, there's no automatic citizenship when you are born in the country. That's that's people what must must know because even children who don't know the countries of their parents, they can't claim that when I was born there, I grew up there. I went to school. Sorry. Yes. You belong either to your mom or your dad's a citizen ship, country of citizenship, not outside Africa. And people are like, but South Africa is a xenophobe came. Why do they do that? When America does it, because it's a country on its own, they are not American share with you countries that are you that are following the rule of blood. It's a it's a huge amount, but I'll just share as an example, some few examples, Germany. Germany. Yeah. Yeah. This is a ship is largely based on dissent through some reforms through introduced through what will the law for children born in Germany under a certain condition. So it's Germany, Italy, okay, Japan, okay, South Korea, China, China said my former president, even China, you know, they they it's born. It's by by by by blood, even China, India, Greece, Israel, Hungary, and Russia to list a few. That's just about 10 example, put the map up again, you're going to see that majority of the red, not majority, the the ones that are covered in red, they rule by blood. So that's majority of the world. So if you are born there automatically, you get, I mean, you don't automatically become a citizen unless your parents, why at least one parent is a citizen, whereas the United States, they rule by land. It doesn't matter if they're a citizen, that child who was born automatically and other countries like that is Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico. So you can see it's North and South America, Peru, Venezuela, Pakistan, Jamaica, Uruguay. Okay. Well, these countries though, the beautiful thing is that you can't become a dual citizen of, you know, whatever, but yeah, they rule by by land. So if you born there, automatically become a citizen automatically, if you're born there, you don't have to be, you know, but then we have countries with mixed or conditional of the both. And so these countries, they apply both principles often with conditions such as parents, parents or residency requirements or birth of legal citizens or France, for example, if a child is born in France, it has to be under specific conditions. So they have to reach adulthood if the parents have been raised in France or for a certain period of time. So they say they consider you becoming, but you have to be like raised there. United Kingdom allows both principles as well. Children born in the UK may acquire citizenship, if at least one parent is a citizen or permanent resident. United Island citizenship is granted to children born in Ireland only if one parent is an Irish citizen. So it's almost like, you know, by land, I mean, by blood, really, most countries, Australia, same stories, children born in Australia to non-citizen parents can obtain citizenship at age 10, if they've lived there continuously. Okay. And I think there's a bit of a little fairness there, because that's the only country you know. I'm actually for this law where you born there and at least you've lived for such a time, you don't know the other country, you know, but it can't change the law. And then of course, South Africa, it says it combines both principles, but not really, you know, it can be citizens if at least one parent is born, or at least one because remember, in some countries, it has to be both parents. So South Africa is one of those countries that says we are ruled by blood, at least one, we're lenient in that manner. So South Africa kudos. I actually thought it, you know, you are that that's great, but at least now we've come to an agreement, rule by blood and rule by land and who's a one robot blood with what happens? A robot blood what happened? Yeah, the rule by blood. Okay, because I'm rule by blood is you have to at least one parent, one family in that country and rule by land. Yeah, it doesn't matter you could be born. I think, you know, we wanted to raise this because my husband was like, what? You mean that if our children know, no, no, that's why I had to explain that our children, even if they're born in South Africa, they can still become American citizens, but we have to apply. It's not automatic so that they can get their social security and all that, but they will get a South African ID, which is like similar to social security, but so then we do have to do the paperwork for them to become American citizens as well. And fortunately enough, our countries allow both our countries allow dual citizenship. So my my children can become both they can become South African American or American South African or whatever you want to go on, yeah, Americans are African, sorry, African American, whatever, they will be the true African Americans. Yeah, true African American both continents, yes, somebody that I know calls himself an African American, but I'm not sure which Africa is fraud. You're right. We don't know, but we're born in slave stuff. So, you know, I'm saying we're the truth of our African African American. We're born in slavery, so we don't know our own ancestors. Yeah. Yeah. And we have not know where to go back to unfortunately, unfortunately, exactly. And it's sad. I mean, this is a debate for I mean, this is a talk for another another episode because we're going to touch on why a black Americans called African Americans. So next time tune in, we're going to have that as an episode on that note, don't forget to subscribe and also tell us what you think about this topic. Tell us if it has affected you and which one do you go for? Do you go for land or do you go for blood? I mean, I'm all for what the South Africans are doing, but I really love the Australian one where they say it leaves you there for 10 years. They give a child a chance, you know, because I've really felt for this Chidi Malady because she had lived it all her life for 23 years, I think, and still she was neglected. She was rejected by South Africans because South Africans said, hey, but you know what it's just like it's just like though, when somebody black, right? But they like skin because maybe they have a white parent. So in a white in the white neighborhood, they reject it because it's like new black. And then in the black neighborhood, you're like, oh, no, they reject because you're not black enough. Just like the saying that you're not black enough for your wife. So it's yeah, it's just after some of those things that just fall within the cracks in the gray area, which is actually said, but it said, tell us in the comments section what you think. We'd like to hear your views. Yes, it is a very, you know, sensitive topic because it affects like I said earlier, the Chidi in my case, who ended up being called by Nigeria to participate in their misuniverse, misuniverse Nigeria, and she ended up winning it because South Africa ended up having a white South African winning Miss South Africa after kicking out to this Chidi my lady, because there was a petition and everything they did not want Chidi my I guess she is growing up in South Africa. She is representing South Africa because they felt like so she represent in Nigeria. Now she went Nigeria said, come, you're one of ours, your father is from Nigeria. So participate. And she's a beautiful lady. Don't get me wrong. I really like her. I mean, and I felt really sorry for her. And I'm glad she ended up winning allegedly because I don't want to be, allegedly because it's still a case that's going on. But her mom was found to have committed identity fraud and claim that her daughter was born of a South African citizen, mother, mother with South African roots when we found out that was not the case. Father is Nigerian, mother is Mozambican, so the child becomes either Nigerian or Mozambican in South African, although it's not funny, although born in South Africa, it's a really really tricky situation. Put yourself in that child's shoes. You don't know your identity, you know, you get confused because you grew up in this country. All you know is the traditions of this country. You might not know their language, but all you know is this. And then all of a sudden you've been told, you've been rejected by the same people you grew up with saying, you're not one of ours. And then thank God for our Nigerians and the beef that we have with this country, because they were like, come, what a source of Africans that you're one of us, one of us. 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Send us a textIn this week's episode, Citizen by Birth and by Land – What Defines True Belonging? | Episode 135, we delve into the deep and thought-provoking questions surrounding citizenship, identity, and the connection between birthright and land ownership. How do we define true belonging? Is it through the land we’re born on, the heritage we inherit, or the laws that govern our identities? These questions become even more relevant as we discuss the case of Adetshina Chidimma, sheddin...
