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Heading into 2025 is to update and continue to upgrade my coffee mug station. What's kind of your go-to rotation? Well, Seminole is my all-time favorite mug. It's the best mug that I have and it's probably my favorite color scheme as well. The Augusta National one is really good, but it's also a little on the small side. But it kind of speaks to the golf course and the elegance of the club. It kind of matches that, if you will. I love that. Yeah, I'm trying to think of which golf mugs I have. My go-to mug sitting over there is from a place up in cashers where like Wade Hampton is, headwaters, a little cafe up there called Bucks Coffee Cafe. A nice little ceramic mug with a black marie on it. Oh, see, I'm here for like a good coffee shop mug, but I'm strictly a golf mug. Golf course mug guy. I love that. I mean, that's probably, I have enough of the generic golf merch, hats, shirts, things of that nature. I think, you know, mugs might be a nice direction for me to branch into this next year. Yeah, I might try to get your level there. Listen, it's not a, we've had worse ideas, you know? We've had worse ideas. Everybody needs a bad ideas guy, too. Do you have a bad ideas guy? I think it's me. I think it's like one of those things where it's, you know, if you don't have a bad ideas guy in your group of friends, you're the bad ideas guy. Oh, everybody comes to you as a bad ideas guy. I have a doc on my phone. I don't know if we should do it live here. Maybe at some point, maybe I'll read some of this to you offline of just a series of bad ideas. And I read it every six days. It's your own personal bad ideas. Yeah, it's just a collection of bad ideas. Oh, you see, I think I was more referring to having somebody to go to to run by your bad ideas to let you, and they would tell you if it's a good or bad idea. Got it. Okay. See, like my brother is the bad ideas guy for like most of my friends, but the problem is he's got a hundred percent history of approving all the bad ideas. He never says it's not a bad idea. That makes sense. Yeah. He's a bad idea. Yes, man. Which is, that's a tough thing. If that's your approval guy, he's given a yeses on a lot of bad ideas. It's always a bad idea when you go and ask him the question. And he's like, no, it's not. Yeah, it's a great idea. You should definitely do that. Just go ahead and do that. Yeah, so he's in it for the bit. He wants to see bad ideas come to life. Hundred percent. Which is great. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? I think this is the point of the show. We should welcome everyone into another live edition of the Smiley Show. Smiley Kaufman, fresh off calling the RSM classic. I'm Charlie Hume here at home for a little Thanksgiving week in Durham, North Carolina. We should start by congratulating Julian Thomas and the newest member of the Girl Dad Club, JT, on the arrival of Molly Grace Thomas. Absolutely. November 18th birthday. Many people saying that collection of days is a very good day to have a birthday. Actually, Scorpio gang. Is it? It is. I had to look this up. I think the back end of Scorpio is... I'm a sad guy. You know, my birthday is this weekend at some point. I don't know what day. But, yeah, November 30th. Whatever day of the week that would be. That's a Saturday. It's a Saturday. There you go. It's a big day. How good is that? I got Saturday football. Who's else you play this weekend? We play Oklahoma at home. Ooh, okay. Could be a battle for who goes to the Duke's Mayible. You might see us there. Did you see the reply? Are you going to be there? If LSU and North Carolina play in the Duke's Mayible, it's unfortunate that we both have to go. I think we have to go. I'm planning to be in Florida with my family, but I think that is the one extenuating circumstance where I'll... And the loser of that game has to dress up as a jar of Duke's Mayo on the show. The following week. Love that. And/or eat a jar of Duke's Mayo on the show. Either/or whatever you want to do. Your dealer's choice. If you can find a male costume, that's probably the better of the two scenarios. That would not want to eat a whole thing of male. I'm just scooping me out of the whole show. I mean, I can't imagine... I like putting Mayo on things, but can you imagine an entire jar of mayonnaise? Dude, stop. I don't really want to even think about it. Stop. I don't want to go to the Mayo Bowl, and I definitely don't want to eat an entire jar of mayonnaise. Dude, they just serve Mayo in like little small bowls of ice cream, like dip and dots. It's like instead of dip and dots, it's just like Duke's Mayo little hangout. I feel like if you put sprinkles on Mayo, it could maybe be good. I mean, what's like aioli other than just like Mayo dressed up with other things? No, don't say that. Because that ruins the experience of having the aioli and just absolutely dousing. Yeah. Much fries. So don't tell me I'm just eating Mayo. Aiolis, it's just classed up mayonnaise. So I really don't think it's anything more than that. I think if I could put, if I could have a small jar of Duke's Mayo and I could douse it in sprinkles, I think I could finish the whole thing. Okay. Noted. That's an option for you to see enough. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll see. I mean, we might be in the Mayo Bowl forever because Mac Brown is rumored to return for another season in North Carolina, which is maybe we don't Mac Brown's shame on the show. We've been exclusively shaming Brian Kelly. I think it's time to shame both coaches at this point in time. Hey, we'd be Vandy. Congrats on that. Yeah, we got boat racing by Boston College. That was, that was really, really good. Not great. Not great. We, we have a lot of golf stuff to get to today as a promising tease in this stuff. I think the first, let's run through. We've got enough people here in the chat, but I think we need to run through a couple of important things. The first one being we have big smiley news and the proper spelling of smiley. I mean, this is, this is amazing that there is a, you have the, what is the opposite of surname? Four name? I don't know. The first name, you have the, you have the smiley first name. Elvis Smiley has a smiley last name. Twenty two year old lefty wins the BMW Australian PGA Championship to kick off the DP World Tour season. Just a month ago, he was trying to qualify for the DP World Tour, did not advance. And then he wins to earn a two year card on the DP World Tour. It was a 54 hole event in Australia because there was a bunch of rain early in the competition. And he was paired in the final round with Mark Leeschman and Cam Smith, who he earned a, the Cam Smith Scholarship in 2019 and playing in the final group with him. He said, I won't forget to stay playing with Cam and Leesch. Look up to these guys since I was a kid and just being in their presence and to compete against them for the title. Learned so much and just so grateful and honored right now. So smiley commentary on, I mean, the smiley golf name on the, on the trend, on the up and up right now. Well, I play the Australian Open and I believe it was 18 or 19. I'm not sure exactly what year was. And this skinny kid came up to me. I didn't know if he was playing the pro and if he was playing like this, how young this kid looked. It's like, Hey man, my name's Elvis, my same smiley. And I was like, what? He's like, yeah, and I spell it the same. I was like, what are you talking about? And he's like, yeah, my name's Elvis smiley. And I was like, you're, you're totally screwing with me right now. And that his mom comes up. Nice, this lady. Her name is Liz Smiley, professional women's tennis player. Four time doubles champion. I guess in Australia. Yeah, really. She couldn't have been more nice, but I've kept up with him ever since I met him that week. And he's, you know, he didn't go to college, just started his professional career, right? You know, it turns broad, however old 16, 17 years old. And he's been doing this for however many years. Just got the process started at an earlier age. And listen, dude, don't beat the guys in that field. This guy's got some dang game. He qualified for the Open Championship last year because I've never seen him on the 18th hole because I took a picture of his catty bib and I saw smiley on the back. I was like, man, this is great. I hope this kid turns out to be like a top 10 player in the world because now it's nobody can take him from us. He's ours. He is ours. I mean, that's the nice thing about sharing a name as unique as SMY, LIE. He's definitely a friend of the pod. We are hoping to get this gentleman on the pod. He's agreed to come on. We're just working out when as we are not time zone guys. So it's going to be, we might have to get like a third party to come in to help us figure out when we could get all of his smiley on from Australia. We might have to travel to London, you know, just so we can balance out. Yeah. So we could figure it out because that's too much math. I wish I had a video for you of me in the grocery store yesterday trying to obtain ingredients for my first ever attempt at frying a Thanksgiving turkey. And I'm on the phone. I'm looking through the aisle. I was trying to figure it out. And meanwhile, and I got my stepfather-in-law with me and we're trying to figure it out. And I'm on the phone with you and we're trying to figure out how many hours ahead or behind Australia is so we can schedule the other smiley interview. I think I remember men will leave. Did we do that interview late? Or was it early there? I know. Wait, was he? He's a clerk, wasn't he? He was. And he was like in a shoe closet. He had just woken up. He had just woken up. But I think that was late in the day of our time. Listen, if you- It had to have been. If you can just give us a rough ballpark adjustment on a time zone in the chat right now, we'll display that comment. And we're all in the same. And thinking about that we should, like, go halfway to, like, London, I'm actually thinking about how you get to Australia as we're not flat-earth people. We don't believe in the flat-earth. We're not flat-earthers. It's actually- We're a globe pod. We're a global pod. So we're a globalist. I actually think you'd be good better to meet them in somewhere in Canada. I think that would be the way to go, like, that way. I think you got to go up and around. Up it. I think it's, like, a high fade over Canada. Oh, you're saying, like, a high-ah over Canada? No, yeah. Start it. Start it. Start it kind of like an Edmonton. Work it off an Edmonton and just kind of just let it kind of work to the right and over. Yeah. So we'll meet them somewhere over there. Okay. I did not have a ball flight over Canada on today's rundown, shockingly. But I like it. I like it. Shout out. So shout out to Elvis Smiley. Shout out to Gino Titicoon because Great Week for her bank account. She wins the CME Group Tour Championship and a $4 million winner's check. And that's just capping off a week where she started with a $1 million check for winning the Aeon Risk Award Challenge. So Gino, Great Week for you, $5 million of the richer. And that is a conclusion of the LPGA season. How about that? That's a lot. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of cash. It's a lot of cash. I want that golf course down there, too. Yeah. To your own golf club. And the other quick hitter we got to get into here is Bryson de Shambo. As of yesterday, he's on day 13, still searching for a hole in one over his house, still unsuccessful. I think he dropped one in the cup yesterday, but it bounced out. So I'll turn it to you as a hole in one specialist here. Imagine not being able to make a hole in one with these at Augusta National and/or Bistavia. Real shame for Bryson. And shout out to San Andrew Golf, man. How funny was that video that those guys did? The over-the-house challenge is just going it through. Dude, as you well know, huge fans of what they do in St. Andre. Aaron is hilarious. Aaron and Hannah both. And they got a great team there. Just where they come up with the script writing for the stuff is just so good. The editing team. It's so good. Terrific. Yeah. Jackson says the shortest route to Australia is over Antarctica. Yeah. We'll take your word for it. I'm over four right now in the directions that you could yell. I've decided to go east, north, and my next guess is going to be west. I didn't have going south as my next place to go. I mean, you probably could get there all those different ways. Oh, you could. Yeah. You know, I think it's like a stinger to iron over Antarctica and just kind of, you know, just straight straight to Australia. Speaking of, I was watching this TikTok the other day. I guess there's a way in which you can run a marathon or a half marathon in every continent in seven days. It's apparently extremely expensive because you have to fly private to all of these places. And I'm watching this lady run in Antarctica, this half marathon and it was however cold it was. But all I was thinking about is that, you know that video, I think it's like the middle of the night and maybe like, I want to say it was like Seattle, but it was like this two running a couple that is running in the middle of the night and gets interviewed about the weather. And she's like, yeah, the surface, you know, this snow makes it really nice and light on the feet and then she starts running away and it slips on ice and hits her head. Do you remember this? Yes. Yes. Yes. It's perfect texture. That's all I was thinking about. This girl running in Antarctica is like perfect texture, like perfect time to do a bit and fall. Like that was all I was thinking about. Right. Like the local news bloopers are it's a great subgenre of content. Like I love that we're digging this stuff up and giving it a second life on TikTok, you know, like the vines in the TikToks of the world. So good. Yeah. I can't imagine running a half marathon in Antarctica. I've been on sort of a TikTok kick. Here we go. Here she is. Oh man, that's, that's just, you know, that hurts so bad, she got up so fast. Yeah. That's, that's a tough scene. That's a tough scene. By the way, I think we've covered on the show where I briefly dabbled and running with the dogs. It was a short lived experience, experiment, no longer, still longer. Oh man. Okay. We have, we have a number of questions that have been submitted from the Instagram crowd and Twitter crowd. Well, a lot of mixing later in the show, but I think, I think we spent enough time here. We got to get right to the PGA tour, the, the final event of the PGA tour of fall season before we go now into silly season, so to speak, and we got the PNC championship. We've got hero world challenge, non-official event, a number of different, we have the Grant Thornton, just a couple of tune up events before we get to the century and kick off the 20, 25 season, but in the final event, concluding the FedEx Cup fall, Maverick McNeely wins and his 142nd start on the PGA tour caps it off with a 185 yard, six hundred, five and a half feet and makes a birdie on his 72nd hole to win RSM classic. This gets him in the masters, the PGA championship in the century, and then by virtue of topping that Aeon next 10 category also gets in the 18T Pro Am and the Genesis Invitational. So quite a week for Mab. I love this. This is from a little nugget I found in Jeff Shackle for its quadrilateral newsletter. He admitted he plays this event largely because his wife, Maya, loves the largest sea islands, cookie and milk turn down service. So that's actually a great reason why to play that event. It's terrific. We are in cookies, cookies and milk season. You know, we got Santa right around the corner, so I love that. We've talked on the show about Maverick, you know, the last couple of weeks we talked about his deep dive analysis of the point structure and how it was sort of flawed and rewarding, you know, rewarding too many points for signature events and not enough for majors and sort of right sizing that he's brilliant. He went to Stanford. One of the other things that I've enjoyed charting this last, you know, two years really is his medical journey. It's fascinating to me. So he needed a medical exemption. He took about five months off. So here's his coach, Scott Hamilton, talking about when he first came to him, Matt sent him a video of when he was swinging his best and Scott noticed something. He said, I don't know how it happened, but his swing got so underneath that it was hurting him. His left shoulder shot way up in the air and he put tons of pressure on the shaft and would push his clavicle up. He went around rubbing his shoulder. So he had to step away from competitive golf last year because he tore a ligament in his left shoulder, but instead of getting surgery on that ligament, he treats it with a biomechanical analysis, stem cell treatment, and reworking his entire swing with Scott Hamilton. So here's Hamilton again. When I started working with him, he couldn't even take a divot. He might hit it fat or flare it way up in the air. I knew if we could just get the ball striking figured out his short game was going to make him tough to tough to beat. So Hamilton has him stand a little bit taller, moves the plane a little bit steeper, more on top of the ball. So obviously mainly to eliminate that shoulder pain, but also to eliminate some of those erratic shots and his natural shot shape then becomes a fade. He gets more on top of the ball, better able to control his trajectory. And here he is. After all those changes, not only fixing the issue with his shoulder, but winning his first tour event. So I'd everything maven neatly fascinates me. So cool to see him get it done here and obviously a ton of emotion. You were in the booth calling this to see him sink that last birdie and win this event. I love Scotty Ham. He's got Hamilton. He's in Cartersville, Georgia. I saw him for gosh, a couple of years working on my golf swing and he was like just the best dude man to go through some struggles with and just tried to simplify as much as you can. And when you're talking about getting on plane, I just picture him saying to me, I get this thing on plane, man. We got to get it on plane. I'm like, you're right. Got God. I just can't get it on plane. I'm underneath. Got the face wide open. So yeah, man, when it comes to math, man, what did I see this week that just was, you know, I think the one thing that surprised me and I always knew this was when I looked at his stats, how good he is around the greens. And I'd always take it for him to be just like a real solid at everything, like never like like superpower, I guess, like I continue always refer to what guys are really good at. He's really good around the greens. And then I think you throw in this, I think you throw in just a fricking IQ that's not only a high IQ off the course, but on the course, I think he is a very intelligent player. You know, he just doesn't get, he's not going to make too many mistakes. I thought yesterday, he said after the round that he, you know, was a little all over the place, a little nervous. It didn't look that way, because I felt like he was making really proper decisions and was, you know, I felt like besides not making some putts on the back nine, like the three putt on 15 felt like it was going to be really costly for him. And Daniel, they're both lucky that neither of those two guys, that both of them made bogey on 18 talking about Luke Kland and Nico, actually, I'm going to get into those guys in a minute, but when it comes to just what the kid went through right with a shoulder injury and coming back, like he was playing a really, really bad golf, like DFL before the injuries. And we're like, man, what's going on? Mav, he takes a year off, comes back, starts to find it. And yeah, I just got to give him a lot of credit because it's, you know, comebacks are not easy. And really that whole final group too, which I was kind of surprising to see that really all three of these guys in the final group is Vince Whaley, Daniel Berger and Mav all had taken long medical leaves over the last four years. I mean, wrist stuff with vents, Daniel's back and then Mav shoulder. So it was cool to kind of have that comeback story for all three of them. If, if any one of them had prevailed and it just happened to be Mav hit, but he, nobody really wanted to win the golf tournament, it felt like, but Maverick hit the shot on 18. Well, and, and we have this further down the run now, might as well jump to it now. Cause you noted here is that there were a lot of top one 25 compelling storylines this week. And we kind of started the week with, with the, the bubble boys group, which was, um, Zach Blair, Wesley Bryan, and Joel Damon, which were, I think, coming in 123 through 125. And then of course you had, you know, Daniel Berger and that final group who vaulted from 127 to 100th to retain his tour card. And then, I mean, so if you're looking at just that selection of guys, uh, the, the, the most notable top one 25 moves, just noted Daniel Berger there, Henrik Norlander is the only other player who came from the outside to the inside, you can go in from 126 to 120 by virtue of a T 17 Joel Damon needed a 65 or better on Sunday to retain his tour card shoots 64, uh, stays at that 124th spot to keep his card, uh, by virtue of that T 35 finish. Obviously a really emotional week for him. And then on the flip side of that, uh, Wesley Bryan, unfortunately, and Zach Blair, both miscuts, Wesley goes from 125 to 128, uh, and Zach goes from 123 to 126. I thought this was, and, and obviously we're golf nerds. We're going to watch all these tournaments, but I found those storylines very compelling in a similar fashion to like the Wyndham championship storylines, where this is a tournament that is, you know, off season, so to speak, not part of the regular calendar. Same thing with Wyndham. It's the last tournament before we actually get into the playoffs, but there's so much compelling stuff happening around, you know, retaining cards, top one 25, making into the playoffs that it was really, uh, compelling entertainment. And you know, we're going to get later into the show into these, uh, PGA tour policy approved changes for, for, um, 20, 26, where there were less cards and maybe that kind of changes the composition of some of these tournaments. But just what were your thoughts on those guys, those storylines they developed as they kind of ebbed and flowed, uh, you know, both around the cut and then obviously going into the weekend. Yeah. So I think for the most people that didn't watch, uh, earlier in the week, Thursday and Friday were extremely windy at seaside, um, really there was a, there was a good wave and a bad wave. Although everyone was on the golf course at the same time, there were two courses that they played on Thursday and Friday and the plantation golf course is very, uh, I would say more so that the seaside course, which is the championship course is way more exposed to the gusty winds. The plantation course, although right next door is not as much out on the water. It's kind of tucked away in the trees a little bit more and excuse me, there's a par 72 four par fives. Um, so when you throw that in there with a couple more wedge opportunities, being on the golf course on Friday at the plantation course was a huge advantage. And for the group that was, I would say the marquee group heading into the week was you had, well, there's two of them, but on the seaside course, uh, that we watched on Thursday, it was Luke Clanton and Louvre to go Berg and then they go to the plantation course on Friday. And then the 123, 24, 25 guy, which everybody was curious to see how they were going to play. That was Joel Damon, Zach Blair and Wesley Brian. They go over to the seaside course on Friday. None of them really took advantage of a plantation course on Thursday. So they had to play really solid golf on Friday to make the cut and the scoring average. I thought it was interesting on Friday because it was a par 70 at the seaside. It was playing just about three and a half strokes over par. And if you recall from the year before the seaside course, 61 61 was shot on the weekend. So this is a course with good weather that guys can tear it up. But when you have these crazy wins, three, three, four club wins that these guys are dealing with, it made it really difficult. And, um, that's why I thought it was so impressive to see at least one of those guys to make it out of it, which was Joel Damon. He played some incredible golf on that back nine of the four and he hit it 14, made a pot from about 20 feet off the green. And then just an incredible little pot he made on 18 really, that's back into the breeze like five feet away. I mean, yeah, basically have a job where you don't if you make or miss. And then I kind of felt like he was just going to cruise in the rest of the way and then Sunday, like he had to go shoot 65 or better and he hit it really well, hold it out on 13 his fourth hole of the day. But yeah, Wesley and Zack, uh, like Zack, we hit it really well, just didn't make anything and Wesley was, it was really weird commentating on him because I think he's like, I know he's really quick, like in how he plays, but he was so rushed and how like he didn't take any time over it. And I know that's kind of like his thing and, but I just felt like he let a couple of shots go, not just giving it a little extra time. Now, that's just my opinion, I think other people that maybe watch West player be like, this is what he does. And this is how he plays, but it's to me, like just felt like he needed to just slow down a little bit. We've all got a thing. For me, it's vintage furniture. And now talking about how I found it on eBay is like my whole personality. Even at 2 a.m., when I can't get 19th century silvers off my mind, I'm on eBay for sure, scrolling my favorite seller storefront, setting search alerts and building the watch list of my literal dreams. I know antique lamps aren't everybody's thing, but the best part about eBay is it doesn't matter what you're into. Fashion, car parts, trading cards, it's all there. So go find the thing that keeps you up at night. eBay. Things. People. Love. The weight is almost over for the most wanted target holiday deal. Get 10% off target gift cards with Target Circle this Saturday and Sunday only. Join Target Circle for free now and shop December 7th and 8th to save more on gifts. Happy your holidays from Target, restrictions apply. Is that something where it's a helpful part of a routine and not overthinking things until it is? I think it was routine. It was just get up and hit it. Remember, we had a similar conversation about Lou Bigober on this sort of topic. It might have been last fall or maybe the earlier in the season where it was, it just looked like he was, when he's playing in his rhythm and he's quick, that's when he plays his best golf. Then there are moments where it's almost, he's too fast and just kind of figuring out how to, you know, whether it is a matter of adjusting your routine and I think it was maybe Brian Harmon, another Tour Pro, talking about arriving on tour and a veteran saying, "Hey, you have to figure out how to play at a little slower pace because that's the pace everyone on tour plays." And it's, you know, kind of topical right now, a lot of people talking about pace of play issues. One of the comments we got on Instagram asking a question was, you know, are they ever going to enforce the 42nd rule? We saw a, for a rookie on the DP World Tour, a shot penalty assessed this weekend for slow play when he played in 130 seconds, which is almost, you know, four times, I mean, three times the allotted time trying to play a shot. So this is a topical thing right now, but I just wonder if it's, you know, and Wesley's in sort of a unique space where, of course, he wants to retain his tour card, but he has this viable, the sort of booming, you know, option of playing YouTube golf and the way they can bring revenue in there. So maybe there's less pressure and he feels like he can play his game no matter what. But I mean, do you think that that's a thing where you would, if there's another player who's arriving on tour who plays quickly, you devise them to dial it back a little bit to align with the general pace of a PGA Tour round? I don't know. I think you just play your speed and how you play. I just think it's understanding the time and score in the moment. So that to me is more important sometimes you, I'm not like ever for changing routine when the moment's bigger. I think you need to just run your routine, but there is an element of visualization and just, you know, finding, you know, that focus that that's required in a time in which you need it. And I just felt like like we were missing shots because it was going so quickly. Yeah. Well, to touch on another name you mentioned off the top here, Lou Clanton. And we have a comment in the chat here from Marcus Rainwater. Does Lou Clanton have the IT factor? And I will defer that question to you as we kind of tee this thing up. My answer is a resounding yes, I cannot wait to see this guy. What if we both were just like, no, next question, we just have it. Yeah. I need to see more. I mean, listen, just listen to this set of information. So of course, you both use a 72nd to drop out of a potential playoff. That's, you know, tough for him, but he had eight starts this season, the, you know, seven of them PJ tour events and then the eighth being the US Open, two runner ups, three top fives, four top tens. He's now ranked, and this is a tweet via Brintly Romine, 93rd and the OWGR as an amateur. I did, we did a little back of the napkin math here and this is sort of, this is sort of rough math because we're doing FedEx cup point splits for, you know, ties where he did not count because he's not a member, but we think he roughly would have finished 95th in the FedEx cup with 622 points. So keep in mind that the guy in front of him on that list, Chandler Phillips made 27 starts. The guy behind him, Maddie Schmidt made 28 starts. He did this with eight starts. He currently has 17 of the 20 points he needs via the PGA tour, you accelerated program to earn his tour card. And I think it's really important here to note that 12 of those points were earned via performance in two events or major championships and the remaining five for his, his rank being as high as, as first in a wagger is also a performance based calculation. So the, he didn't earn any of those 17 points on winning awards that are more, that are voted on, they're more subjective. This is all stuff he did earning and on the course. And finally, under the, under the policy board approved criteria that we're going to talk about later in the show, going into place in 2026, he would have earned his card already because he would have gotten three more bonus points for top fives at the John Deere at Wyndham at the RSN. I mean, I just, I'll just give you the floor just to talk generally about what a phenomenal performance we saw this year in eight starts from Lou clan. It's unbelievable. Yes, he, he's broken the system and we've noted this rules. It's the Lou clan rule, right? It's the Lou clan rule and he's, he's totally broken the system and what, what just makes me so angry about it and just frustrated for him, obviously he's not winning any cash. So like he would be absolutely loaded. He's still going to be loaded whenever he does decide to, or whenever he gets a PGA to her card. He's going to get a pretty dang big deal. But I just, a PGA tour you think, yes, it's great for the college kids to try to, you know, have something to look at to, you know, work their way up onto the PGA tour, but when a kid goes out and does what he did this year, it's, it's like, man, like this is what you're trying to prevent guys from going to live for. It's like you've got to figure out how like a way in which this guy has a PGA tour card like instantly like going into next year, but I know they're not going to make changes for guys because the rules are already set in place, but yeah, it's crazy. Top hunter in the world. Guys got the it factor like, yes, he does, he does have the it factor. The one thing that, that watching him over, you know, a course of a golf tournament in his game, his putting stroke is as pure as one that, I mean, I put it, his stroke up against anybody's like output Sam Burns, Luke clan are my two favorite strokes right now in the game and what would you identify as areas of opportunity for Luke? I mean, I know that it's he's playing as good as he could play right now. It's what would he work on you, so yeah, it just in anything, you know, where would you target for him to really kind of fully prep himself or tour to her life? I think it's just like his ball striking is good. I just think just keep on getting it better because his, his short games really dang good, but he's, he's a tour player, man. It's interesting. And maybe part of this is just that his focus, understandably, has been on making the most of these, you know, starts as an amateur, but in professional events and maximizing those so you can get the points you need to get this, this PGA tour, you accelerated, you know, card, you get his card that via that pathway, but his performance in the fall for Florida State, you know, wasn't, you know, jumping off the charts or anything. And I wonder and going back and playing out the rest of the season, this, this, you know, kind of going to this next year with Florida State, if, you know, that's how he's going to, if he's going to play a little bit better and earn his PGA tour, you, or PGA tour card via the accelerated criteria that pertains to amateur performance that way. But it, you know, it is a little bit interesting to see that he just needs three points. So, you know, if he was to get it some early starts in the springtime, like, and make some cuts, that helps. Like, so three made cuts would get him his PGA tour card. But I was reading something else, Charlie, and you know, how there's three different awards given at the end of the year to the best collegiate player, and we look at his fall season and he's, I don't even know if he has a top five yet, he's got two top tens and he's got like a sixteenth or something. So not exactly like best fall season of any of those players. He did beat Jackson Kuyvin, the number one player last year in the Eastlake Cup, so that was a notable thing he did in the fall. But I think one of the awards, I think the Hogan award maybe isn't quite as much about the season. I mean, I think he's going to need to not have like a poor season in college, but I think it may take into effect a more like wagger, you know, amateur stuff, just based on what I was reading. I think, you know, the Fred Haskins awards, the freshman, right? And then you have, or is it the player of the year? That's player of the year. There's Bill Nicholson is the freshman of the year, and then there's the Jack Nicholas award. Yeah, the four awards you can win to earn points for the PGA tour, you accelerated program are the Haskins, best player college golf, three points, Hogan, also three points, and then the Nicholas award, the D1 Nicholas award, three points, and then two points for the D1 outstanding freshman award. So those are the different things he could, yeah, he's, he's a tremendous kid. It's the type of kid that from, just from the PGA tour standpoint, a fan, this is the type of guy you want coming up, he's, he's got a good head on his shoulders. You know, he's not a cocky kid, he's humble, but he's confident. And I love that he was shown emotion out there. I think, you know, too often now with guys on watching them on TV, coming down the stretch, you know, you don't get the reactions of, of yelling after made putts. Like he was fricking fired up about making some putts in key moments. And you don't get that from regular PGA tour players. I'm sorry. It's, it's nice to have guys coming in with some serious youth and firepower that want to win and want to win early. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I mean, I think that, I mean, we discussed on, on this show, my affinity for the younger story lines, you know, the, the guys that are coming up that potential that are, you know, you haven't seen a lot yet, but the, the, the possibilities are endless, I guess, in a way. So I love watching him play. I think he's going to have a huge career, but I think, you know, for sure, in the, in the era of how do we make the same more compelling or entertaining product, having a guy like that that is, you know, showing some emotion in a FedEx cup fall event with both guys are, you know, let's, let's get our, let's keep our card or let's get our card and let's kind of go home and enjoy the holiday off time that that's really cool stuff to see. So I think Luke is, yeah, it's, it's tough because as you mentioned, you can't retroactively, you know, change it and just get, throw them three bonus points just because he's played well and they're going to correct this going forward in 26, but it is sort of funny. I guess the one thing he can hang his hat on is it, this rule won't be named the Lue Clanton rule, but we're going to know it as the Lue Clanton rule for all intents and purposes because he's the one to sort of force this change via his good play. You know, the other thing too, is that you can't rule out and I was surprised, I think, at the time to see Gordon Sargent get a start at the Masters in a special invite, but he was the number one player as an amateur, you know, had all this firepower and I think he was an exciting and compelling player. But to see what Luke Clanton has done as the number one player in amateur golf and what he's done on the PGA Tour, I would be shocked to not see him get an invite to the Masters this year. It's a great point. It's a great point. And that's another start in a major is another point you get, correct? That is correct. Yes. The major criteria, let me find this here on the, if you're comparing apples and oranges right of Gordon Sargent up to that point and what Luke Clanton has done. To me, it's an absolute, it wouldn't, if you were Luke Clanton's camp and didn't get an invite, that would be alarming based on how they've given exemptions and basically the precedent they sent and given one to Gordon. Yeah. You get a point for competing in a major championship, you get a point for a made cut and a major championship and you get two points for a top 20 finish in a major championship, which look, I wouldn't, I wouldn't rule it out given what we've seen from Luke thus far. It's just, it's interesting. This is no knock on, you know, Jackson, Colvin, or Gordon Sargent and all their phenomenal players, but so much of their resume revolves around winning awards and, and, and, you know, making teams and things like that. And, and I just think Luke's resume is so performance heavy that yeah, completely agreed. I'd be shocked if he didn't get that invite. It's performance heavy in professional game. And I think we just haven't seen Gordon and Jackson have the success that Luke has had on the PGA Tour. Now, now granted, Luke has played, he played the US Open at Pinehurst where he was competing down the stretch with Neil Shipley almost, almost got it done there. But I think the golf courses that he did play, it's, it is the, you know, the, the time of the year that I think golf is the easiest on the PGA Tour, a lot of birdies, he's a tremendous putter, a guy that has speed. So I think the time, the year that he did play and play well was catered towards his game and, and easier for a player coming out of college to go play well, we've seen players do this. So he just has done it the entire time. Um, so that I would be interested to see how if he got to start in the masters, does it translate there? I would like to see. Yeah. It'd be a big test. And you can, you can, for those watching on YouTube, you can see the scroll right now, the bottom where his starts were US Open, Rocket Mortgage Classic, John Deere Classic, Isco Championship, 3M Open, Wyndham Championship, Procore Championship and the RSM Classic. So to smile these points, a little bit softer portion of the schedule. So one, one quick thing I know you, you have the, you have our outline on which way we're going on this, but just one, you may already have us going in this direction, but I'm not sure I pronounce his last name, I see a comment from Mitch Hecht about signature event should be 120 fields, otherwise I'm not interested. I was thinking about this in the shower before we got going today. And Maverick McNeely, who has been a, you know, I think there's been players talk about that this guy is a future commissioner of the PGA tour, how much he's helped, uh, change some conversations and have great opinions and how already helped, uh, for the 2026 policy board changes that have just been recently approved, talking about taking away some points from signature events from that eight to 20 range and just smoothing out the curve to where players get awarded more for playing in open events. But as it goes for the signature events, what doesn't make sense to me, how he had mentioned 120 is a good number and like that's what he thinks signature events should be. I just get a little confused about why they changed the cards to a hundred then if that's where he feels like signature events should be at his 120, like when you change the cards to a hundred guys get a PGA tour card at the end of the season, excuse me, in 2,026. That just that math doesn't math, right? Like I, you know what I mean? Like that just, if the, if they, if they deem that the players championship, which always had 144 players and now it goes to 120, um, that seems like that's the precedent they sent of like, this is the amount of cards we should be giving out. And there's been a big uproar this week from a lot of players about their disdain about these changes going from 125 to a hundred and I've gone back and forth. I think there's a, there's a case that you can make on both sides because when you go and look at, uh, the one, uh, season that is 125 now and how many points it is, first off it's, it's, it's less points than it's ever been to be a 125 and you go look at their resume and what they've had to accomplish in the year, you really just got to play well about four times. And I think the change is now to get to a hundred cards. I think you got to play good six times. And so it's, it's just two more events you got to play well in. Yeah, and, and so Mitch's comment is up right now if you're watching on YouTube or Twitter, uh, and, and Mitch is, is a, been a frequent commenter and his viewpoint on this and it's a fair one is that he wants to see war opportunities, more cards, less of these small fields. And that's not, um, that's not a crazy viewpoint. It's a viewpoint that a lot of people share and it's a fair one. So it's, it's like the WGCs. I mean, we, the WGCs when they got started were the coolest thing ever, but eventually they became a little, uh, tiresome and old because you played the same venues with the same field and, you know, have similar type results. Well, and, and I think so, and if, to just transition to, to this, this approved set of changes, the PGA tour policy board at the top of this last week approved, he's going for 26. We've talked about this a number of time on the shows, but just to kind of run you through it and then get to the point that you're making about appropriate field sizes, number of cards. So this, this RSM classic, this final day of the FedEx cup fall also marked the final day of the tours top 125 exempt area, it was a 41 year run with that being the, the sort of precedent there. And so as mentioned, we're going from, uh, the exempt status is going to change from top 125 to top 100 in the FedEx cup standings. There will be as Michael Kim noted on the show a couple of weeks ago, exempt status, uh, or I mean conditional status for finishers 101 through 125. So that group of players could still get into some PGA tour events. Uh, the number of PGA tour cards available to the top finishers on the cornbury tour decreases from 30 to 20, uh, there will be a maintained 10 cards from, from the DP world tour, the top finishers that are not otherwise exempt already. Uh, and then capping the PGA tour, Q school cards at five rather than five in ties. So let's just kind of talk about that to start with and then you kind of, you mentioned, it was through the lens of what Maverick was saying about the, the adjusted FedEx cup point system where, um, and this is going to end into effect immediately in 25, not waiting till 26 for this, where the majors and the players, there's a slight increase to second place points and a slight decrease to points for positions 11 and beyond the signature events. They're going to slightly decrease points, which is good position seven. It's good. But you know where we all, where I sit on the distribution curve, yes, it was in, and Mav quickly and rightfully realized that it didn't quite make sense. So to the point on cards, you know, I read, can I read one thing before you say it? Of course. Yeah. This is from, it's from Kevin Kizzner. Just to add a little context to this. Yeah. So it'll be a crazy day to watch the RSM classic tomorrow, 125 on the FedEx cup. There will be guys that lose their playing privileges today that you will never hear from again because of how much of a closed shop the PGA tours becoming. Right. And, and it's a, it's a fair point. And I don't know that you can ever get this thing right, but what I, if, if I'm trying to understand why this change was made, and that again, you know, we're, the, these are, this isn't like they just pulled us out of thin air. I mean, this is the initiative was based on feedback that PGA tour members gave over the course of 24. We can remember at the beginning of last year, we're talking about all these guys who just got their card, you know, via top 125 status, corn fairy tour, Q school, whatever, they're trying to get starts. They can't get starts. So I think in attempting to address that, and you're looking at that 120 field size being a good one, because I love that you noted that because it makes a ton of sense. If you're talking about premium events, you know, that the tour runs, and if your flagship version of that as the players, and it's 120, it would make a lot of sense to also apply that 120 to all the signature events as well. But I'm looking at this and it's like, okay, so you have a hundred car, you have a hundred cards from how weird is that it's that it's that's where it's almost like the players gives you wiggle room for more live guys to play. Sure. But I guess what I'm saying here is you have a hundred that retain their card from previous season FedEx cup standings, then you have another 20 from corn fairy tours. Now we're at 120, then you have another 10 from the DP world tour. Now we're at 130, then you have another five from Q school. Now we're at 135. So I think that if those are all players that are being handed a tour card, heading into a season, you're still not going to, you know, I mean for the, some of those guys are going to get left out of the players championship field. And so I think there's, you know, for me, that's how the math starts to math is that if you're looking at the totality of cards you're handing out, you're trying to make earning a card means something and create playing opportunities for those guys. That's how I feel like you get to 120 being a good size for the players, but for signature events as well. Now signature events, you have to reconfigure the way you've done it, you know, previously where it was 50 in from the prior year by virtue of making it to the BMW championship. And then you have, you know, the, the, the next 10, you have the swing five that gets you to 65 right there, you have a number of sponsor exemptions, like you'd have to figure out how you're going to expand that to get it to 120. But I don't think 120 is unreasonable for signature events. And I think that would in a climate where a lot of people are complaining about these changes and why would it not be a hundred like why would it not be a hundred for the signature? It's a great question. I mean, I think, I think really what, I mean, the way they're setting these things up if you're, if you're, if you're trying to understand why they're doing it, it's because they want to make it a no cut deal. They want to make it a shorter TV window and they want to make it more lucrative for the guys. I win a shorter TV window. I don't think that's, that's not like this huge concern from, from the, from the TV side. Low, low on the low on the set of concerns, but I think more so just making sure that you have, you know, none of those guys miss a cut. They all get, you know, some degree of Fed S cup point because that that's another debate that I think is a smart one is if you're going to let all those guys play these signature events, let's make a, you know, phantom cut where past that point, nobody earns Fed X cup points. You can still play and make it to the weekend, you know, I mean, there's, there's not going to be a cut. You can play your way back into a position where you're earning Fed X cup points. Is it like half of them have a cut now, is that kind of where they stand on that stuff? I, I think it's, um, I wish it was like more organized to where it was easier for even people that follow golf, like us to remember which ones have cuts and which ones don't. Yeah, yes, but some of them do have cuts, but, but, you know, is it Bay Hill and don't, is it Bay Hill and Jack's place for the two that have it? I, I believe so. Um, I have to go back and look, but it, but again, it's like, it's a small cut. You know, it's not like it's a, it's not like it's a ton of guys. You're cutting. Um, I, yeah, I mean, I, I just think that it's, here's a firm, it's all right. Can I tell you it from a TV site, we show the best players in the world and how you get on TV is playing well. We, we don't cover, you know, however many, like you have to, you know, hit a really good shot. You get a whole punt. I'm just saying for the amount of time that we have to cover golf, we cover on Thursdays, Fridays, you know, we're covering the best players or the best shots. So it's, it's impossible to cover 144 players every week. It does get easier to cover less guys, but you know, it gets, it goes back to the WGC model, which, you know, shoot, there was a ton of great WGCs that had Tiger Woods went on just about every one of them. Um, it's, I, I, I like 120 being a number for all of them. I don't have any disagreement with that. I just think, I think that, you know, I, I think, I think it's, it's the pendulum swung maybe too far in the short field, no cut direction in terms of trying to get it's, it's almost like it was a knee jerk reaction to live and trying to get those guys money and retain stats. I think they bought themselves a little bit, right? On this, I think top 50 example for signature events is way too small. I think if you make the playoffs at the top 70, like if you make it to the, the first playoff event, you're in the signature events. And then I think you build off of the guys who make the top 70 and earn their ways into the playoffs and then work, you got 30 extra spots to work with. You got DP world tour, you got live, you got, uh, other PGA tour players, you get young guys like use 30 spots to make the signature events even better, but make sure you take care of the guys on the PGA tour that, that made the playoffs like 50 way too small. Like you're just boxing out, um, so many different ways in which you can get more people playing in the, in legitimately call it the best fields in golf. We have key Stuart chiming in here who, uh, notes here that the genesis is the other single driven that has a call. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right. And how about that? That's because tiger, tigers are bad, right? Shout out. Shout out to Keith Stewart for hitting another winner on the LPGA this weekend. It's guys, guys on the wire and look, we love Keith. Go follow the key stuff y'all. He's, he's winning our, our, our people money. Look Marcus Rainwater. Yeah. He's, he's making good. We're close. We're getting close to getting back into where I won and done. Uh, that's just right around the corner y'all. It is right around the corner. A lot of love for Keith in the chat. You're loving that. Dude, I leave for Hawaii in like a month and like four or five days. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's coming up quick. I mean, it's, it, I look at the calendar trying to kind of piece together the whole holiday situation. It's, it's, this thing's right around the corner. We've been doing, we've been doing our content calendar and we're like, wow, this really snuck up on us. So I'm excited. Oh, I know. Yeah. We had, we had good stuff coming up. Uh, we're actually, you know, we just talked about, uh, Keith hitting another winner on the, on the weighty side. We got Jessica quarter going to come and enjoy the show soon. So our first, uh, female golfer guests coming on, it just is terrific. We're going to have her on, uh, probably Grant Thornton week, but we got a bunch of guests coming up. We're excited about a lot. 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Well, and, and all this kind of cap, you know, the, put a little, uh, finishing, uh, polish on, on what we discussed with in terms of the, the PGA tour proof changes. We talked about the cards, you know, changing, there's, of course, also, um, an adjustment to the number of open qualifiers, Monday qualifiers, different fields. So, so one, the 144s, uh, cause obviously we're downsizing fields for pace of play and for daylight concerns. So the 144 player fields, there will no changes there for Monday qualifiers for those 132 will change to two and 120, there will be no open qualifiers for those, uh, thoughts on that. Oh, man, I, I'm, I'm against that. I really do think Monday qualifying is, is part of the fabric of, of what's made the chase to become a professional golfer, um, on the PGA tour, you know, guys have been doing Monday qualifiers year and year out to try to chase their G chase their dream. And listen, if, if they want to pay all their money and try to, to, to chase it and feel like there's hope, then let them do it. Um, the odds are it doesn't, yes, it takes away some spots, but also it, it, it gives you an opportunity if you're a player who's not in the field to go and try to get in. So I'm against them, them not having Monday qualifiers. I think that's, that's, uh, something that I'd stand pretty firmly on. Yeah. And then there's, there's a slight change in the way sponsor exemptions are rewarded. The restriction exemptions currently used for players in the DP world tour, corn fairy tour and Q school category, as well as restricted to PGA tour members, uh, that is going to be removed and reallocated to the next eligible, uh, members on the priority rank. You said this to, and, and you've asked me this question about whether you think more players, young players are going to go over and try to play in Europe. I think the answer is yes, but the problem is I was reading this from Monday Q info is that guys have been trying to figure out with Q school of how to manage doing European Q school in, in corn fairy Q school, I guess there's some, uh, you have to make a decision one way or another on which one you're going to pursue. So it'd be nice if those, if somehow you'd be able to line up to be able to do both of the Q schools. Now it's expensive as hell to do six stages of different Q schools, but, um, hey, if this is, if you're going to, if, if you're not giving these guys many opportunities to, to earn status, hey, now not only do you have a Q school to try to get to the PGA tour on the corn fairy, but there's an avenue for you to go play in Europe and, and, you know, what 10 spots is a lot. And I would say the competition is less and on the DP world tour than it is on the corn fairy. Yeah, I mean, I think even looking at the guy like Elvis Smiley this weekend, who, you know, gets a start down in Australia, wins, then he's got a two year exemption there. If he plays well and is a star on the rise, like it looks, you know, like he looks to be that's a way for him to earn his PGA tour car. So I think it's, you know, and I think that would be, uh, no one likes the term feeder tour for the DP world tour. People shy away from it, but, you know, behind the scenes, if you can kind of admit that that is somewhat the case, if you become a tour where exciting young talent, not just from Europe, you know, in Asia, but across the globe wants to come to start their career because that pathway to the PGA tour is, is more viable and all of a sudden that I think that's a win. I think that's a win. Okay. So Brent, uh, Bradley Roman, who we've had on the show, I was actually going to see if you could text him in the middle of this, this deal because I was curious about the Hogan word because I've read, because I read that that Luke Clanton looks to potentially win that award, but I was wondering about if it was about this year's play specifically. And Bradley had just said that Luke Clanton is at 17 PGA tour accelerated points, which we've noted. Um, he's, he said he's a virtual lock to win the Hogan award to get to 20 points and earn his tour card this June. Um, so there you go. So that's interesting. Um, but Bradley had said this, he said, but wouldn't it be great if the tour retroactively applied impending change, awarding an extra point per top five, that would give LC Luke Clanton his 20 now, which, which we have also noted. Yeah. And I wouldn't hate that. I mean, I, I think it's hard to do that you can't, you can't do it, but the only way you do it is if he's like, Hey guys, I got an offer from live. And I think that's when we're like, you know what, I think we just had a misprint over at the pond of read your office and this policy board, well, all these changes. It was a, this was supposed to be a 2025, an imminent change. Um, I think that would be the way to approach it. Just, just kind of like when people get hacked, you in, and it's like, I, we got hacked. We got this. That's all you got to say clear hacking situation. And by the way, here's your tour card, Luke Clanton. I mean, I think I, I'd assume that part of the math on this whole thing was exactly what Britleys laid out is they knew that I, I, I think they would have, like, no matter what, they were going to figure out a way to make sure Luke Clanton, right, is to work hard via the system and knowing, you know, all the other permutations that are in place, they assumed, okay, he's got to be fine. We don't have to make any, any crazy changes for him. We'll just make this change, let it go in effect in 26. Right, right, right. It's gonna be fine. But I, I do think that's, yeah, if we have a live situation, you never know. Uh, that's a, that's an excellent segue. Um, we have a comment here from the scratch golf show. What are your thoughts on live, potentially behind the DP world tour? That's not exactly the direction we're going to go here, but there is some breaking news ish on that front, uh, we, we just saw a report in this past week from Matt Chivers that a large, uh, contingent of live golfers, uh, have had their memberships reinstated on the DP world tour. Right. Uh, on that list is, uh, Sergio Garcia, Tyrell, Hatton, John Rahm, Adrian Maronk, Dean Burmiester, uh, Joaquin Neiman, Thomas Peters, Patrick Reed and Lucas Herbert. Uh, I think there were, there's an interesting, and again, this is, uh, I want to just clarify that this is a, an opinion, uh, via flushing golf on Twitter, who we know in the past has been, uh, a pro live, uh, in a number of different ways. So, but essentially to boil down the argument that he lays out and you can read his tweet and full, uh, over at at flushing at golf, but effectively that, that his critique is that the DP world tour is, is kind of reversing course on this hard line stance they've taken. And that the reason they're doing this is to increase strength of field so that it gives them leverage in TV negotiations where they can say, Hey, we have these bigger names. These are valuable properties and a television space. We can sell this to you for a higher value because it isn't a stripped down version of this tour with the best Europeans that are gone playing on live and, and sending the best young ones over to the PGA tour. Um, it's again, that's backtracking. Yes. Yeah. Again, I think it's, you know, um, I'm not saying the DP world tour was an easier clean cut place. I think they had some different options on the table, whether to kind of align with the PGA tour with the strategic partnership that, you know, as resulted in a lot of things we just discussed in terms of their 10 best players shipping off of the PGA tour and becoming a, you know, air quotes feeder tour. But it looks like some of this, they're kind of realizing, Hey, maybe we need to change our stance on this because there are some marquee names that could bolster the value of our tour that we've shut out and find. But it, but it is kind of interesting. It looks like some of these guys like Sergio Garcia wants to try to make a bid to get on that Ryder Cup team at Bethpage and he's going to pay more than a million pounds. I guess it is or Euro and fines and serve tournament suspension so he can regain that membership and potentially qualify for the Ryder Cup. It's, it's, it's an interesting sort of time for this. So basically it's more so that the DP world tours like, please come back, but like you, we have to find you effectively. That's the argument that the flushing golf is laying out sort of kind of reading. It's not an argument. That's like, that's, that's what's happening. True. Yes. I, I guess they're, yes, that is correct. That is factual. It's happening. It's more so the editorializing he's doing in terms of his opinion on it is, is the extra sort of piece of it. But yes, I mean, they are, they're providing pathways before where they were taking the first stance that they're providing for you to live guys to come back if they're willing to serve suspensions and pay fines. And reading, and I don't, I don't agree with everything that flushing puts out. Like I, I, I think it's, it's good information. I think I read some of it with the grain of salt because it's so pro live that that's sometimes I'd, but this seems like a very well put written out thing that you just kind of told everybody here on all this and, you know, it's the last thing he does say is that if a deal does not come soon, the DP world tours in big trouble and they will need their stars more than ever. Yes. So man, what do you think about that? Right? Like that's, it just seems like DP world tours just in no man's land. I think they are. I think that, um, I mean, somebody's trying to lift them up and we're doing our best, but like not really. It's like, Hey, we're giving you 10 cards, but we just don't want you guys to go and do a deal with live. I don't know how deals work with PGA tour, you know, having an agreement with the PGA tour, how hard that is to get out of agreement with the PGA tour. I would imagine it would be difficult. They would probably have to pay a good bit to the tour to go do something with live. So it's interesting, it's interesting because it's like it's trying to, it's almost like the DP world tour has to look at this and, and almost make a bet on which side they think is going to prevail long term. The establishment for some professional golf, PGA tour, it's been that way for a number of years or this upstart by a ton of money and quite honestly, whose goals align better with what the DP world tour does, you know, the DP world tour is a truly global tour playing on different continents, you know, lots of different events everywhere, you see them in Europe and Asia, you know, kicked off the season in Australia this week. So I mean, to me, it kind of felt like a no brainer to align with live, but I also understand why they're looking at how the whole ecosystem operates and worrying about, you know, sanctions from different majors who are more PGA tour aligned. I think maybe from the outset, there was more of a strong unified opposition to what Live was and then we're seeing in today's day and age. And I would guess that if they'd known this is the way it was going to play out, they might have been more open and receptive to a deal with the PIF and with Live, you know, where we've arrived now. Okay. And we're going to get into this like way in depth this entire year talking about picking teams to the Ryder Cup. But don't you kind of feel like certain guys that have been, you know, big Ryder Cup players like Sergio and Ian Poulter. These are figures now that aren't quite as beloved as they once were and almost controversial at times that they would be more of a distraction than anything. Do you think that that Luke Donald will, you know, you got to show me a little bit more from the Live guys. Like it's not just a, Hey, you're going to get picked just because you've had success on the Ryder Cup, but part of me is like, wouldn't you just, you know, you just rolled out a team that didn't have any Live guys and you won? Like do you think that just from a team chemistry standpoint, like part of me gets him and we'll debate that it not like throughout the whole year, so you don't have to spend too much time on it. But just a thought. It's very curious the strategy the Sergio Garcia is pursuing here. I mean, I mean, I think he could pay two, three million dollars in fines and not even get picked. Yeah. One hundred percent. I guess you can do that if you got paid a large bag by live to go over and you're looking at the totality of your earnings and savings saying, I'd be down to throw a million at this and to see if we get picked. And if we don't, okay, that's just part of the risk you take on, but if we do get picked, it was a strategy. It was well worth it. I mean, so you know my viewpoint on these things, I'd much rather see one of the Hoagard brothers or another young European take one of the final spots on that team than a 44 year old Sergio Garcia, like I don't think that does much for the European team. I think they're better served building the team for the future. Can you imagine paying two and a half million dollars in fines to be a vice captain? I mean, it would be now I think that I think that things that are going in his favor are obviously a longstanding relationship with Luke and Luke mentioned the last time he publicly spoke about it that he'd been talking to Sergio about this. So Luke must have given him some indication that if you do this, if you do right by the DP World Tour, pay your fines, you'll certainly be in consideration. But then there's this whole thing that happens where, okay, how are you evaluating the state of Sergio's game? Like are you looking at him playing in live events and saying that's going to be a good enough test of how he's going to play under pressure in the Ryder Cup? Is it going to be all based on major performances for the one he's, I mean, Sergio's been trying to open qualify for a lot of these majors, you know, where that's an option in the past couple of years. So I just, I don't know what you're grading him on and I guess, I guess, well, but maybe part of that now is that's why he gets his membership back serve, serve your suspension and then playing some DP World Tour events and hope that's enough to make a team. But I also find it very curious that he's willing just to throw, you know, millions of dollars at this thing and just hope and pray that he gets selected. And if he doesn't, it's like, oh, I kind of would like to have that money back. Yeah, and Kevin makes a good point is that live would just pay all the fines. I mean, at what point does live, you know, pay $10 million in fines and, and, and it's just not a, it's not real life. It's just ridiculous that these I get frustrated all the time about live and, and, and just like where we are at in the game and listen, the PGA tour needed to make changes, but we were in a pretty damn good spot. I know the purses have gone up. They've made changes and can you imagine if nothing would have ever happened where we'd be out in the game of changes, you know, from the PGA tour would have ever happened. I don't know, but it's, it's, you can play that game all the time because it kind of actually gets so frustrating sometimes. Well, for live, it would just be a marketing spend. I mean, really and truly, it's, it's, you know, you're, you're paying the fine because it's going to be one of the five most watched, maybe even higher, maybe one of the three most watched golf events of the year and you're having one of the guys on your team or multiple of the guys on your team participating in it and saying, Oh, actually, I kind of miss watching that guy play golf, maybe I will go check out some of those little events. It's, it's a marketing play and to be a smart one too to pay all those fines. Now we talked before about how there were, you know, the DP World Tour wasn't going to take the money direct from live because they like backdoor it to John Rom. So he gets it in some other form and then he pays the fine, but it really was live, you know, compensating him so that he could pay the fine. I don't know how it shakes out, but I, I do think it's, I mean, it's, it's yet another reason why it's, it's, I just really hope this thing comes together sooner rather than later. So we don't have to keep discussing these. The deals in place. Yes. I've been told by everybody that I've talked to that the deal is in place. Now what gets it over the line? I don't know. It seems like it's, it's, it's been much more of a government thing, but I do feel like Trump being in office makes, I don't know what team he's on either in all this. And I know he'll want it to get through, but based on seeing that the three new bash bros or him, Elon Musk and Bryson de Shambo, you're wondering like, is it, is it favorable for the PGA tour in this? Yeah. I mean, he said on, on let's go podcast, uh, that on Sirius XM that, you know, you know, who did Trump said, I, I believe to paraphrase was like, I have bigger things I'm focused on, but yes, like we should be able to get this thing done in about 15 minutes. So I, now I think there's also been reporting that the regulatory processes in place are longer than a four year term. So that's just something to pay attention to where, you know, a, a, a Trump could go on and say this and he could, you know, uh, do whatever he needs to do to clear the pathway to get the thing approved. But then if you have a different, you know, regime in place, you know, a, a, a different party in place for years from now, some of that stuff could get pulled back. You know, I, I don't know how difficult to beat it to, to entangle or disentangle that sort of situation, but, um, it does seem like he is incentivized to a certain degree to bring these two worlds together with whatever levers he can pull to make that happen. So it's, it's interesting. I mean, I think that it's, um, yeah, I mean, it, it, it, the whole thing with Sergio is interesting. And, and I think there's also reports we've seen the last week where there are two, you know, big names. I don't know how they're defining big names that are interested in coming over from the PGA tour to live, uh, apparently two names that have been made previous offers and turn them down. And now we're having regrets about that. So I don't know if that's another leverage piece that moves where, you know, there, there is more of an incentive from, from, from one of the two sides to cut a deal, but kind of to your point, it sounds like the PGA tour, you know, the negotiating parties that are in place that are ready to cut the deal, they just need to get the regulatory approval from government so that they can make it happen. Yeah. That's all I got on that. Uh, well, okay, how about we close out with this smiley? I got a couple of questions for you, uh, from Instagram, from Twitter, didn't want to let these go. Um, uh, we talked about the 42nd rule earlier, uh, did, have you seen this on, on ESPN? I think it was Dan Rolofsky doing this, the, the VR breakdowns of the fall plays. So this is from T fabulous 1313 on Twitter, have you guys tried the VR experience golf channels to implement that into the broadcast? The meta quest is the best for golf. When I saw this comment, I'm like, we need either Johnson Wagner or Smiley Kaufman wearing the VR goggles, trying to replicate shots in the studio. I, I, I kind of love this idea. It sounds amazing. Um, um, yeah, I definitely would love to try, uh, then we had a question, I'm going to let you take this, however you want to take this from Aaron Kran on Instagram, what is your best moment on the PGA tour in the race of the FedEx cup? I don't know if he's talking about this season. I don't know if he's talking about your career, Smiley, uh, do you have anything off the top of your head either from you playing in the race of the FedEx cup or from this season that was like your favorite moment on the tour. Okay. Go to the next question. Well, I was thinking about that for a second. We're going to hard turn for the next question. So, uh, it's, we're, we're going to win golf for the next favorite moment, um, uh, my favorite moment of this year and he didn't even win the event was Scotty shuffle at the 16th hole on Sunday at Phoenix open. He just in miss a short birdie putts at 13 and 15 and ended up not winning the golf term, but got on 16 and had to make a birdie and it's like a foot almost made a hole in one and just the place, which is like Scotty Scott, like the place is going nuts. And all I was thinking about at that moment, I was like, man, this is probably like what Tiger felt like, just like the roars of, of chanting somebody's name. And in my mind, I was thinking I was like, this guy is going to have a year that's going to be insane. And he did. So that would be my moment. Love that. That is pretty electric and a very electric tournament. Uh, and we got Sue from Nikki done again, uh, love both of these first ones thoughts on Ole Miss losing to Florida, getting knocked into playoffs, big weekend for Walker, like Florida. Like, I'm, I think most fans in the SEC feel very torn, like about doing the gator chomp, but buddy, was I chomping chomp, when we chomp away, uh, huge, huge weekend for walkers, Florida alligators, uh, and, and this, the Hume household, uh, that's, that's not a type of, it's not an incorrect, we call them the alligators here. I can't, I can't figure out how Billy Napier went from dead man walking, potentially fired mid-season to like knocking everybody off. It's unreal. Big game, Billy, baby, big, big game, Billy, indeed, uh, I, you know, I, I, uh, I also enjoyed, because another friend of the show, Shane Beamer, uh, there was a little bit of sniping back and forth with, uh, one of his receivers in the media this last week, uh, that, that transferred from South Carolina to Ole Miss, uh, because he said he wanted to play for a real quarterback, and it looks like Shane had the last laugh this weekend when, uh, Jackson Dart threw a crucial late game interception in South Carolina, not, not to win. Wait, what did Shane say? Well, he was just saying that, you know, I, I don't, I forget the name of the receiver, but just that this guy came to him in the off season and transferring to Ole Miss and said, Hey, I, I want to play for a quarterback that can help us win some games. And Shane said, well, I feel pretty good about our guy and he's like, well, I don't. I'm going to Ole Miss and the rest is sort of history now. So there you have it. I mean, it's, it'll be interesting to see with Ole Miss Alabama and, uh, it was the other three of all seen that just got eliminated pretty much from the SEC. Oh man. I have to go back and look at the standings. There's everybody's wall. Like, everybody keeps losing, but it just, it's crazy to me how Ole Miss and Alabama had, like, shoe-ins to make it, it felt like, and both are, should probably, should miss the playoff. Yeah, we have, let's see here in the conference, uh, Texas six and one, Georgia six and two, Tennessee five and two, uh, these are all conference records. I don't know if you're asking for conference or overall, A&M, uh, A&M just lost, right? Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There you have it. And South Carolina five and three. Yeah. That, that is a, that is a gauntlet. That's, he's a gauntlet. Our final question from the show, from Nikki Dunnegan, when is Taylor Swift going to release reputation Taylor's version? And I've, I've done a little bit of a deep dive on this. I've figured it out. Okay. I, I'm not like a hardcore Swiftie, but I'm told, you know that, that, that black body sushi wears for costumes or for the, for a concerts with the snakes on it? Yeah. Okay. So apparently at her concerts, there were red snakes on it and it just changed. And now there are gold snakes on it. And this is the body sushi, whereas for the reputation songs, and then apparently there's like a number two, one of the snakes in the shape of number two on the back of it, and people are theorizing that that means that the, the, the Taylor's version of reputation is dropping in February. I don't really care. You know, like I'm, I'm a whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you don't say that on a, on a live broadcast. We don't, let's, we're, we're in good with the Swifties right now. Oh, but like, I just don't care. So how else do you mean to word it? Like I am, I'm a Swiftie, but I already know the songs, like it's just going to sound a little different. Yeah. I get, I'm just, I'm a new music guy, like let me find a couple new bops. That's just my take. Well, I guess, I guess it's, uh, it's, you know, she's reclaiming her library. Cool. Swiftie, you got to kind of, you got to prop her up in that. Yeah. Swiftie and I go back and forth just with her stuff, but whatever. That feels like a good life for us to sort of peter out at the end of the show, unless you have, as always, I'll give you the platform here to give us any final thoughts, but yeah, I'm out of ammo. I'm out of ammo. Uh, congratulations to three LPGA players that have called it a career, at least full-time careers, I should say, Lexi Thompson, crazy to me that we're already at this point. And this is a question I'm going to definitely ask Jessica when she comes on the show about, you know, young Americans, uh, that are calling careers early, you know, that's, that's definitely interesting to just about, um, you know, in the men's game, you don't typically see that quite as much. So Lexi Thompson, hell of a career, um, you know, I've known her family forever. Uh, she's one hell of a player, generational talent and yeah, uh, Lexi, it was Marine Alex and, uh, please, Brent, Brent, Brittany Witsakim as well. So it had three players this week, uh, call it. So congrats on great careers to all three of them. Um, but yeah, specifically to Lexi is I have known Lexi since she was, I feel like 12 years old. So it's, uh, wow, to see, yeah, uh, big congrats to all of them and excited as you mentioned to have Jessica court on the show to talk about the women side of the game. I think it's gonna be a really cool episode. Uh, so yeah, we, we, this is, of course, we are in Thanksgiving week now. So, uh, there will not be a new YouTube episode or podcast and the feed, uh, you know, as, as we kind of the day before Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving itself. But if you're watching on sports grid, which is absolutely worth a watch, you should go check out the best that we're going to put there with some of our, our best interviews from the FedEx cup playoff shows we did live and on sites. That'll be a good watch there. Uh, and then we'll see you back here, uh, on YouTube and in the podcast feed on Monday, December, the second, I believe with some content, we're both looking forward to a lot. Some getting back on the course. Excited about that. Yeah, course or the practice area. Yeah. All, all the same, green grass, green grass episode. So we, we, we bridge everyone watching, listening as always. And we'll be back here soon. Talk to you once again. Happy Thanksgiving. The weight is almost over for the most wanted target holiday deal. Get 10% off target gift cards with Target Circle this Saturday and Sunday only. Join Target Circle for free now and shop December 7th and eighth to save Warren gifts. 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Smylie Kaufman and Charlie Hulme cover a busy November week of golf news, ranging from the PGA TOUR season finale to a big win for "Smylie" on the DP World Tour.
