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Jay Gruden On The Commanders Offense Bouncing Back, Is Kingsbury's Offense Back To Form?

12.2.24 Hour 4 1:00- Jay Gruden, former head coach for Washington, joins G&D to discuss the renaissance from the Commanders offense against the Titans. 21:00- Is it safe to say that Kliff Kingsbury & Jayden Daniels broke out of the recent rut they were in?

Duration:: 45m
Broadcast on:: 02 Dec 2024
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So it's great to have Jay on to discuss a blowout win of the Titans 42 to 19 that saw washed and rack up 463 yards on 77 plays, six a pop. So Jay, why don't we start with some of the adjustments with MacLaurin. You were calling for this last week. You said move them around, send them in motion, line them up on the right, throw them the ball earlier in games. All of that happened. He caught two first half touchdowns, not too shabby, not too shabby. The way they started was pretty impressive. I like the fact that they came out throwing their first two passes, got two easy completions for Jayden and then obviously the big hit, the Brian Robinson, which was huge. Fast start, which got everybody just jump started, the whole offense, defense, special teams. Everybody was just, you know, fired up the play and it's just great to get that momentum and keep it for a long period of time was impressive. Jay, what other adjustments did you see from Kingsbury and company with this offense? It looked like there was just more available, more opening against the defense that came in, playing pretty decent. Yeah, that was shocking. I can't believe how a little resistance there was by the Tennessee defense and I think the offense had a lot to do with it and they just punished them. The inside zones, the counters, they just had their way with the defense, the line, which was shocking. The line back and crew was nowhere to be found. The safety supports were oblivious, the run fits, the safety angles they took were terrible. They just looked disinterested and part of the reason is because Washington punched them in the mouth early. Just kept swinging. It's 14. Nothing is 21. And then, you know, Jeffery Simmons is a great pass rusher, realized that I'm not gonna get the Russia pass. I'm gonna have to play double teams all day and play the run and I play action in a bootleg every now and then. So, they just took the win out of their sales early and Tennessee never could recover. What do you think of the Jaden Daniels performance, 25 of 30, 206 through the air, first three touchdown game as a passer, ran for a touchdown as well? Awesome. Really, I think he's an incredible player and some of the things that he does, just people don't really realize just scrambling for a four-yard game when he avoids the sack. I think, you know, he avoids the negative plays effortlessly. He threw the one pick, which was arguably a drop, it was a little bit high, but it was tipped up to intercept it, got out of, I mean, he just, he just makes everything look so easy and effortless and just a hell of a player and he just, you know, just watching other teams play and watching Jaden play, I think you got to feel pretty damn good to have this guy on your team for a long time. Jay grid with us here on GND. So just go back over the last month or so. I know he was banged up to whatever degree we don't know exactly with the ribs, et cetera. But you know, just the eye test to, to a ruble like myself, Jay, you're right. He looks so much more comfortable. You saw that easy athleticism. That's kind of the way I describe it where some defenders running full speed, he's kind of going just fast enough to outrun the guy, still scan the field, do whatever he wants. What's the difference there? Is it as simple as health or is there a comfort level too? I think a little bit of both. You know, I know they said he wasn't hurting all that stuff, but he just didn't seem like he had the same juice that he had early in the season and he does it. He did it, gets Tennessee. You know, for whatever, that could be totally wrong, but he just is very fast, very quick, very mobile. He's got a great feel for the game. Instinctually, he's got a great feel to avoid pressure, to avoid tackle. He just makes little moves, subtle moves with his feet and hips and guys can't touch him. He'd be the most amazing flag football quarterback in the history of the flag football. He couldn't grab a flag. So yeah, he's a very comfortable and clips offense and what he does, he just feels really good about playing. He has a lot of fun playing and he's either joy to watch quite frankly. They were way better in this game on third down. They were nine for 14, but when you actually dive in on those numbers, they were in third and short, all game long. I saw PFF tweeted this stat out that Daniels was eight of eight for 66 yards with three touchdowns on third down and that it's seven first downs passing and I looked it up. Of the third and fourth down, first downs that they were referencing, it was third and one, third and two, third and two, third and two, fourth and two, third and three. That's the difference to me in this game versus the last three weeks. We've spent so much time talking about where were they broken? What was wrong? How did they get right? The early part of the year, Jay and yesterday they've been in third and short, like first and second down has been dominant and they're in third and short and that wasn't the case for a few weeks and they got back to that. Can you speak to just what a difference that is as a play caller and overall offensively when you're doing that as opposed to when you're not? It makes a huge difference, you know, when I was a play caller, if you look at my conversion rate, probably third and one to five, I was a hell of a lot better than six to eight and nine plus. I mean, it's just a lot easier because you have a lot of plays that you're just posing. You can still call it, you're still run the ball. I mean, you're right. The first drive for touchdown, they went three plays, didn't have a third drive, a third down. The second drive, they had two third ones which were both of them and then they threw the short pass of Terry and a long pass of Terry over the middle with a 25 yarder and then the touchdown was that grocery was a third downer. So yeah, these are all third, two to threes at once and Cliff knows that as hell, if we don't get it, we still probably going to go for it. I'm sure Dan Quinson, if you don't get it, we're going to go for it on fourth and one or two. So this, the playbook is wide open on third and one and third and two. They're not easy now. I don't get any wrong. I've had plenty of times where I fail. I'm certainly on fourth and one. But the way they're going with the zone reads, the RPOs and the play passes off of those, they're very hard to stop when you have a quarterback like Jaden, you look at the touchdown run that he had. It was an RPO. He could have handed it off on the inside zone. He chose it though. It's a flat. Harold Landry just drifted back and would have intercepted or batted down. He keeps it again. So it's a RPRO and scores a touchdown. These are plays. You just don't coach. He's just an unbelievable player. The commanders are 21 of 24 on third and one this year, 21 of 24, and they haven't been stopped on fourth down. They're another handful, you know, perfect perfection there. So it's like probably 26 of 29 or something on third and fourth and one. Yeah. They're getting a lot of movement. You got to credit those big guys up front too, you know, Al Grady and obviously Cosby and those guys are, you know, say what you want about some of their past protection issues. But when they get their pads down, they're low. Tyler Beidage is also a hell of a player at center. So they get great movement. Really allows B-Rob or Rodriguez or when Eclara was playing vision to really make a cut and get in there and get that yard. So I'll put the line tight end backs with good vision and obviously the threat of Jayden running his own reads is impacts the backside where the defense events can't close and make a play. So Jay, ultimately, obviously you've got to play well enough to take advantage of mistakes. And I think Washington did that. There's no question about it. You got to turn over. You go down and score. You punish somebody for messing up. But how much of this game do you think you already kind of touched on earlier with, you're not really sure what Tennessee was doing. They look terrible. The two of the first three plays were false starts and it got worse from there. Believe it or not, especially in that first half, how much of this was okay, Washington's back. They got right. Oh, the adjustments of Kingsbury and Daniels and company versus Tennessee just vomiting on themselves. That's a major combination right there. I mean, they had 10 plays of offense and they were down 28 and nothing. That's how bad it was for Tennessee. I've never heard of that before in my life. And then they got the ball back and went three out again. So they had 13 plays, 28 got them. They had a fumble to kick off, Pollard fumbled, but you know, you got to take it away. You know, it's a great job by Washington taking away. But defensively, like I said, they had no absolutely no plan whatsoever. They were there. Run fits were awful. I don't know what the hell they were doing. It's like they didn't watch any film. Hey, do you guys know Jayden Daniels can run to get into that? I mean, it's really amazing. They're going to run the count of roti. You guys know that, right? It's like they never saw it before. I'm never saying like it. So I don't know. You're probably just this right. They got a huge win last week against Houston, probably had a little leisurely week of practice and then came in a little bit big head. I thought they were going to win because Washington was on a three game losing streak. That's the film. Probably wouldn't have pressed. They've got punched in the mouth and never could recover. Where you at on Brian Robinson? I said last week as much as I like him. And when he's playing and healthy, by the way, this is just a different offense. He brings a physical nature to their running game that just changes everything it seems like. But he is also, I agree, but but but here's where I'm at on this Jay. Like he's so big. I feel like the big guys like him and this is why Derek Henry so amazing. They take so many hits and they have that bruising style. He's always banged up or hurt. He hasn't been durable or really able to stay on the field. So I almost feel like this off season, you need to get something like him to, but that's more available that you know is going to play weekend and week out. What's your thought on that? Well, I like the fact that they had Echler. I think that one to punches is critical. You look at Gibson Montgomery. I love the one to punch of running backs nowadays in the NFL just to fill in Derek Henry. You take the heat off of Brian Robinson, you know, 25 30 times a game and play the other guy. It's important this day. Like you mentioned because of the punishing style these running backs have Derek Henry doesn't play every snap. Now he's a hell of a back. They want to explore every now, maybe not say quant, but yeah, I think it's very important to have that second back. I don't think you want the second back to be like beer up. I think you need to change a pace back that take the pressure off and really work the passing game as well. Jay, I just in the wake of them, let go, Emmanuel Forbes, I traded away Jahan Datsen. You know, last year they moved on from couple of first round picks as they kind of started this rebuild. It's kind of remarkable that they're good at all without a first round pick from the last six seasons on the team. I just, I can't remember saying anything like that. When you were a head coach, even an assistant coach, how long did you say, you know, we've got to be really patient here, even when you're trying to win games, it's a really competitive league. Obviously you guys are always kind of fighting for your, for your league lives. How patient should you be? Should they have been? Etc. Just kind of remarkable that they were able to move on that quickly. Yeah, they made a great, they made some great moves of free agency. You know, we went, I think, for 12, my first year, 3 and 13, and we went 9 and 7, my second year went to the playoffs, hit in a couple of free ages, and Kurt got a lot better. The quarterback position obviously was six, but I think hitting up Bobby Wagner, Lulu was huge on defense, I mean, just huge. And obviously getting the center and Al Grady, and these guys are huge additions, and Zach Kurtz, you know, say what you want, but the presence of a tight end in the running game, I mentioned last year, like a thousand times, that's why they're running games no good. You know, Logan Tom's, he can't block, he's, that's not his style, but get a couple. Now they have three guys in there that can block. They're using two tight end, three tight end sets, they're physical up front, so they change that part of their offense. They added some beef in the middle, some tough, good leaders in the middle of the defense, and just hit on those guys, and obviously, Jaden makes a huge difference as well. You mentioned Lulu, but what do you make at his game? He's used so uniquely as a pass rusher, despite being kind of an off ball linebacker. He's a Swiss army knife, man. He is, you know, I think he gets a lot from, you know, obviously, Quinn had Micah Parsons last year, and Mike, he didn't really play off the ball a whole lot, but moving around is very important for an athlete like that, but he's all over the place. I love that guy. He's, he's batting balls, made a tackle on the same play, you know, he got a sack, you know, he's just, you line him up at end, line him up at linebacker. Early in the season, I was a little concerned about his linebacker play with some of the angles, and some of the run fits look like he was a little confused, but I think the way they're using them is a go get the ball type guy, where you don't have to worry about a whole lot. I think it's perfect for his style of play. Jay, two part here. I wanted to ask you about this last week, but I forgot. I've heard this from, from people anecdotally, I've read it a little bit, but obviously you wouldn't have much better than me. Is it harder a lot of times for a college tight end to adjust to, to life in the pros? That's something that maybe a position that takes a little bit longer on average? Yeah, it depends on the tight end. Yeah, you know, if you get a guy from Wisconsin or Iowa, they're used to having their hand in a dirt block and use defensive ends, and they may not take him as long, but these guys that stand up outside and think they're glorified wide receivers to play tight end. No, these guys take, they take forever. You know, the ability to run the ball with a tight end nowadays, either have a blocking tight end or receiving tight end, and very few guys can do both like a George Kittle, like Zach or it's like Kelsey, these guys, that's why they're so valuable, Sam Laporta. The guys that can do both make your team so much better in the run game and the play action game. It's not even funny. And if you don't have one, you bring one in, it's a third down guy, everybody knows you're going to throw it. You're not going to run. If you got a big blocker, he's no threat in the passing game. It really inhibits your offense, but that's the position I think is one of the most under appreciated, most important positions on offense is that tight end that can do both. So, so part two about that then, and it didn't matter, yesterday, obviously they were rolling everybody got right. But what have you seen from Ben Senate in terms of maybe being that guy that can do both at some point in his career? It's still early, obviously, and the offense is rolling, so no rush. But what have you seen from Senate to this point? You haven't seen enough of him in the passing game, other than catching a couple of flat routes, maybe a scene ball down the field. As far as him running and separating from linebackers or safeties, I haven't seen a whole lot of that. He hasn't had that opportunity, so that jury's still out there. But he's obviously a tough physical kid that has a role in the football team, special teams coming in as a second or third tight end, cutting off the backside, catching some flat routes. You know, I'm sure he's working into the offense as far as a true pass catcher, and Cliff really hasn't used the tight ends a whole lot, that does a lot, but you know, not as many as like George Kittle type plays or Kelsey type plays are not really involved as much. But, you know, jury's still out, like you said, but he's a young player with, I like the fact that he can do something pretty good. That's blocked. Now we can work off of that and use them in the passing game, eventually, when he gets used to it. Jay Gruden, former head coach here in DC on Grant and Danny Carl, wants to know your thoughts on Chris Rodriguez, ran for 94 yards in the second half yesterday. He wants to know about him potentially eventually having a bigger role. Yeah, I mean, I think they just cut him Wednesday and he said, you know, never mind, we need you this week and you're going to play in rush for almost 100 yards. That's a hell of a week for Rodriguez. So yeah, he is a tough guy. I don't know a whole lot about him. I know he was drafted last year. I think it was six around Attic and Tucky, I think, his second college program. Baringly, but he runs hard. He's a physical guy and, you know, it's just a matter of, you know, when I was coaching, you usually dress three backs, when it was your lead down back, when it was your change of pace back and your third one had to be a little bit of both. I think that's what he's going to be really good at is being able to back up both positions as far as, you know, if something happens to be Robin again, he can take over something happens back where he could be the second back. So you had to be versatile in what you do, but I do like what I see as a tough kid. Yeah, I was dead wrong going a little NFL big picture here. I was dead wrong about the bills this year after losing some guys here and there. I thought they'd be worse. They're not. They're awesome. That's the challenge with that signature play last night in the snow might have just sewed up the MVP. What have you seen from them? Yeah, he's just an amazing player and they do it the right way. They're physical upfront. They're offensive lines. Really good. They don't get a lot of credit, but they're really good up front and defensively, Coach McDermott. I've said this before. One of the best defensive coordinators coaches in football, he gets those guys in the right spot that may attack and they're very good. I was worried about them as well on defense because they lost both safeties. You know, they got Hamlin in there and I think Taylor rap. You know, those are a very important position for McDermott because those guys rotate and they do a lot of different things, but they fill it up. Josh Allen, just a chief. He is MVP. He's the best. Jay Gruden on Grant and Danny, a couple of other games to hit on with you. Mand did Kirk Cousins have a rough day yesterday, four interceptions, worse since 2014, I think right before you benched him actually, before he became your starter. Atlanta finally got a good defensive game. They basically needed one more score and they couldn't figure it out. Would you see there? Why also? Why don't they put him under center and do anything in the dropback game or, you know, play action where he's made his money his whole career. He lives in the pistol like he's Matt Stafford. It's kind of the opposite of kind of what he's thrived on. I can't say I'm a pistol. I never liked it. It looks stupid. Running back. Can't see you in the ball. Snap. They hate it. I just never liked it. He's athletic enough. He's healthy enough to play under center and do play action and the ball off. Don't tell me that. I mean, this is a kill. He's, I've seen there. Rogers is doing it right now. He's 50. So it bothers me. That's a crappy offense. He made some poor decisions. He's forcing the issue. He could, I think, you know, he could sense the offense needed a spark. He tried to force a few balls in there, but it was inexcusable to some of the throws. The last though he had in the end zone, I've never seen anything like it since the dying Giants game when we needed to win it through. It's right to DRC, but he's too good to be playing like this. And I think he's got to snap out of it because you've got a rookie quarterback. He's going to beat him down his neck right now, but they're six and six. They're in first place in division, so hopefully he snaps out of it because I like watching him play. How would you handle Justin Tucker right now in Baltimore if you were in charge? I'd pat him on the head and just figure out a way to get his confidence back. I mean, I'm having to kick an extra point in practice in everybody's model. I don't know. I don't want to go into the playoffs for the last four games of season with a kicker. I don't even know. I'm going to bank on Justin kicking himself out of this, hopefully, and if it doesn't work out, he doesn't kick himself out of it. We don't make the playoffs because of it, so it'll be it, but he's done way too much for the organization. Been too clutch over the years, won them a lot of football games. I got to let him. I got to let him finish this thing out. Hey, how much of Cole's Patriots did you watch yesterday? Not much. I was the least important game on my plate when I was watching TV. Yeah, it wasn't a great game. The reason I ask is every time I look at Anthony Richardson, I have to go back and watch it tonight. I haven't seen it. He completes about 50% in every single game. I haven't looked at a daughter, how many layups they got him or whatever, but he was 12 of 24 again for a bucko nine. They won 25 24, but damn, if that doesn't seem like a problem that every single week, your quarterbacks at about 50%. Well, he's watching him to Florida. He's only played a year at Florida. He would almost kill cheerleaders. I mean, he would miss throws by a hundred yards. He's got a cannon, but oh my God. And then he throw a ball, you know, flick his wrist for a 65 yard bomb and you'd be like, oh, that's the best I've ever seen. Yeah. You have to live with this inaccuracies. That's not going to be cured overnight now. He's going to be inaccurate for quite a while, but you have to utilize this skill set that is running the football, the quarterback design runs, get them out in space, try to get them some deep shots and then play really good defense to make up for some of his inadequacies accuracy was, Jay, awesome as always, man, enjoy the way, thank you. See you and drop them all at Deborah.com, I was a great line, he almost killed some cheerleaders. Love having Jay on the show at five 25 coming up in just a few can Cliff Kingsbury and this offenses struggles. Now moving forward, can we put the cliff cliff to bed? Can we say that JD's out of his rut that Kingsbury's offense is going to hum the rest of the way? You're listening to G and D. [music] Doors take us to summers away or winter adventures and afternoon getaways. Your dedicated fidelity advisor can help you open those doors by working with you on a comprehensive plan to help you reach your wealth's full potential because doors were meant to be opened. Visit fidelity.com/wealth, investment minimums apply, fidelity brokerage services, LLC member NYSE SIPC. Do we really need another computer? One that's faster, more powerful, not everyone does, but to reinvent music using a neural processor, work off the grid with all day battery or bring your vision to life with AI-powered co-creator, then a co-pilot plus PC can make a difference. 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So go to Fylo.tv and check it out for a free 7-day trial. That's P-H-I-L-O dot TV to start watching. Prior to Needles for Weight Control, Introducing Rise Weight Management Strips, the first-ever, oral dissolving Sima Glutide strip. Just one strip a day melts under your tongue to help curb cravings and boost metabolism. Visit riizhealth.com now and rise to resize. Rodriguez is the running-back. Pump the middle, Rodriguez, touchdown. His first of the season in third of his career. In 30 minutes at 6 o'clock, Cleveland Feral, defensive end for the commanders, caught up with him after the game in the locker room about what was a pretty suffocating defensive performance in the early going for all the talk about the offense and deservedly so. Four possessions, four touchdowns, 28 points, 19 minutes into the game. Pretty damn good. Defensively, the Titans went three and out minus two yards punt, five plays, 17 yards punt, two plays take away Washington ball short field and then a three play three and out punt with negative 10 yards of penalties mixed in all before their final drive of the half where they scored a touchdown. So the first five times they touched the football, they either turned the ball over or punted. Defensively, Washington had a plan, they stuck to it and they were awesome. And if you compare the defense right now, Danny, to the beginning of the season, astronomical difference led by, I think, the energy of Frankie Louvoo, who's planted a pro bowl level. I think he should go to the pro bowl, frankly. I think Bobby Wagner's presence has been significant. I'm sure you saw the reporting where he spoke to the team on Wednesday. He's normally a lead by example guy, not really a talker, but he stepped up to the mic and addressed the team on Wednesday about what lies ahead and it clearly worked. But now you're hopefully going to get some reinforcements. Cornerback, Marshawn Latimore, expected to make his debut with Washington against New Orleans. And how's this for a storyline going back to the Superdome? Yeah. Can't write it better to play against the only team that he's ever played for, 97 career games over seven seasons, he has been unable to get on the field. But with a bi-week looming, couple more weeks to prepare now for him, 13 days from now, he should make his first ever appearance for a commander's defense in New Orleans against his former mates. Yeah. Trenton in the right direction. I mean, they made a few personnel changes. They're not great at corner and a lot of more certainly will help there. But remember the start of the season? What was it? Michael Davis and, you know, a lot more eggmanogony and Sandristo was on the inside and they've tweaked some things, some personnel differences there. They sort of changed what they were doing on Lee Staunte Fowler a lot more. He was an afterthought at one point and then, you know, he was a wrecking ball for a few games here and there now still leading the team in tax with eight and a half. So they've done some tweaking, which I like an awful lot, figuring out what guys do well, what they don't do well and maximizing who they are on paper. Having Latimore in the lineup should unlock a lot of things. It should. We don't know till we see it, but you could sort of dream on the possibilities, right? Daniels is out of his slump, by the way. I teased going to break and we now say Jaden's out of his rut. He looked as a rusher against Dallas way better last week. The word we've overused, but that is correct, I think is the explosiveness was back as he ran for 74 yards and seven carries about 10 and a half a pop. He did not have a big run. He only had 34 yards on nine carries in this game, but it was that same decisiveness and suddenest, you know, burst aggressiveness, I think suddenness is kind of the word I'm going to settle on though where it's like, got to go and he just gets out of the pocket and takes off. He had that, right? But this was the best. He's thrown the football. This was better than Dallas, better than Philly, better than Pittsburgh. I would say maybe on par with the Giants, he had two throws in the Giants game that were better than any throw he made yesterday, but I still think overall he was just kind of very accurate and poised. Probably his best passing performance since Baltimore, maybe. I mean, you're going back. That's fair. If that's the case, five plus the Carolina game ago, so really five full games ago when he's right, there's an ease to it. He's making these really hard things look simple. You see that usually with baseball players where a guy looks like he's just playing catch and it goes 96. You know what I mean? Just it's that effortless athleticism when he's right that he's got, he didn't have that against Pittsburgh. He didn't have that against Philadelphia. Everything was sort of, here we go, which is just not who he is. The suddenness, I think, is a good word for it. Again, he's not, it's not tirey kill. He's not a water bug. He's not like a tiny little dude that's, you know, wouldn't get wet in a phone booth. Not like a Devin Hester type play or something like that, but he's a taller, longer stride guy, but even still there's that I'm under control. I need to turn it on a brief little bit to get away from a defensive end. I'll do that and then throttle it back down while I've got plenty of space and time to make my choices. I've held that a couple of different times over, getting out of trouble. That's the thing that's so special about him to me. That rushing touchdown to make it 14 nothing. I mean, this is not a, come on, this is not a running back. This isn't like Reggie Bush in his prime or Eric Metcalf making people miss in the hole. This is a quarterback moving around like that. It looked effortless. It looked like the best player on a high school team doing that to division rivals in the homecoming game. I thought his best play maybe was the slant touchdown to McClorne and he drove a couple of really gorgeous balls into small windows to McClorne in the quick game. Some of them on the stop routes, but the slants and stuff, that slant he threw on the goal line. There's an angle. I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen from like behind Daniels where the cameras essentially like behind his helmet and he drops the angle down like an infielder would do, who's throwing the ball over to. The shortstop moves to his right still has to get the out of second. So it's like a full backhand. You're kind of half backing up and you slip it to the side, but he drops down below even almost three quarters, I would say, maybe around there and right at the shoulder height. He just kind of slings the ball into McClorne. There is no window. I mean, there is a, like a, maybe a tire you could fit that ball through. And that's open for Terry McClorne for the record. I got a guy on my back. I'm wearing him like he is a sweater. No problem. He makes an amazing catch. By the way, of course, because why wouldn't he? And I thought the throw was better than the catch. You can't walk it there any better. That's the money spot on the field too. Where do you make your money third down where he was eight for eight and they moved the chain seven times on those throws goal lines, short yardage, red zone, right? He stood tall in those situations and I thought really came up big. Agreed. To me, this is all predicated on, is it easier or hard? And I go to what Chicago has failed at consistently trying to deal with Keller Williams and company with this, you know, mismatched offense and how poorly they've designed things despite having really good personnel that I'm jealous of, quite frankly, I would love to have a DJ more a veteran like Keenan Allen and a Roma Dunes de to supplement my offense, right? But just the scheme design, et cetera, when the offense is going right, you make it easier on your rookie quarterback. I know that's pretty elementary and pretty obvious, but you could see the stark difference from a week before and even times where they were struggling in the red zone in previous games or against Pittsburgh or Dallas, et cetera, when your first down gains, where the defense has no earthly idea where it's going or who it's going to and in what time. And they're just, you know, they're like Lucio Ball when the chocolate conveyor belt is going too damn fast. They can't, they can't hang up. So it's second and two, it's second and three. It's, you know, third and one all the time and everything's at your disposal versus nobody's good when it's third and eight every single third down, right? It's much harder on your rookie quarterback. It's much harder on your veteran quarterback. It's harder on Pat Mahomes. It's harder on, you know, name your Hall of Famer when you make it easy for him, which I think Kingsbury deserves a ton of credit for this game, how much easier things came to that offense. I think that's design. I think that's countering what teams were doing to them. I think Tennessee probably said, okay, they're not changing. This is what they've done for the last two months. We're going to plan for this. And I think he had answers for that. And, and, and you could see the difference. Now that Dan is gets confidence, gets comfortable, he's in rhythm and the game just looks easy to him. It's a hard game that he may look simple. Why were they so good on offense yesterday? After being so bad over a three week collective that let's get into that next eight hundred six three six one oh six seven. What was the difference in what changed and who should get the credit for it? Grant and Danny on the fan. All right, Danny, earlier in the show, I told you why I thought Washington's offense got right yesterday. For me, it comes to third downs. They were in third and short all game like they were early in the season after being in third and medium to long over the last three weeks. I think that's the single biggest reason for them breaking back out. What's your explanation? How they got to those third downs to me is what matters. And that to me is this reeks of a Kingsbury adjustment that I didn't know was coming. I didn't know that he had it in him because frankly, I've seen too much data to the contrary. You can't tell me that defenses, including bad ones like Dallas's, weren't pretty comfortable against Washington's offense like last week. Different things were done. Tara McCorn was on the right hand side of the formation. There were adjustments that are too advanced from my eyes to see, to be honest with you, but you can't tell me that a good defense like Tennessee's all of a sudden was completely helpless because Washington did the same thing they've done for the last month plus. There were different things done. And that's where this starts to me. A team that deserves all the credit for playing well, they played together and they were outstanding. They didn't shoot themselves in the foot like Tennessee did. This to me is about going against type. This to me is about doing things that you hadn't consistently done or demonstrated that you were willing to do. You do those early. Then everything opens up. Right? I mean, the thing that I usually argue for, you know, over the last several years and including this one is you got to show that you'll go over the top every now and again just to show that you can do it because it backs defenses off. It makes, you know, the, that too high safety look, you have to be the standard instead of a, you know, strong safety creeping up into the box to jam your run up or your bubble screen or your smoke or whatever. Well, they didn't necessarily do that. They still were able to move the football with high execution. It's about play fix. It's about design. To me, this was a Kingsbury. You want to, you want to tell me about my cliff. You want to tell me about things that I haven't done well in the past. And here's why I'm going to do the opposite. And I think he did that deserves credit for it. Yeah. I think today honestly should really be about tipping our cap to Kingsbury for adjustments. Yeah. So the acknowledgement that he did try something different. That's what frankly should be happening when it's not going well. The thing that it seems like is obvious that everybody's screaming about it. I don't mean the fan in section 400 or you and me on the radio, like the smart people. Guys like Jay Gruden or Logan Paulson or, you know, Dan or Lofsky or people who have played the position and coached in the league that are saying, this is really weird that you're doing it this way. It's making it harder. You're pushing a boulder up a hill. Maybe we could try it another way. Maybe we could do the thing that essentially every other play caller and coordinator who has a lot of success in the league does, like not just constantly have your guy in the exact same spot because it's easier for me to know where he is. Now the counterpoint to that has been and will continue to be, he's putting up numbers that he's on pace for say 1150 or so yards this season. Kevin Sheen was on the show on the, on the blitz today, our guy Kevin said, said something to the effect of, you know, I don't really care about where he lines up because he's, he's having a good year and he's still putting up big numbers. And my question is what kind of numbers might he put up if they used him better? If they didn't target him five times in the first half in the three games before this one, if he didn't have just three catches in the first half of those three games over six quarters, if that was actually like yesterday, you know, a pace where he's targeted four times and he has four catches and it's 12 instead of three in those three games. How difference is that? And it's easier said that done Danny because you need plays, you need drives, you need to sustain offense to get guys targets and to get everybody involved. You can't get Ryan Robinson as carries and get Terry as catches and have Jaden scramble. If you're going three and out, then there's just not enough snaps to go around like everyone's not going to get the ball. But yesterday, chicken or the egg, they got there. Yeah, to me, this is like the chicken before he laid the egg was the first play of the game. Terry McClure. Right. It's not a random coincidence to me that the offense was good yesterday and they got the ball to Terry early versus Philadelphia where it wasn't and they didn't, right? You can tell me about the season he's having and that's nice. One catch for 10 yards, only catch was deep in the fourth quarter. I'll be better. I got numbers on this because Neil Greenberg, who's a pretty smart numbers guy over at the post and a good pal of the show, actually had these. Let's see. McClure and averages almost four targets in the first half of wins this season and two targets in the first half and losses. Routes run in the first half are about the same, which is to say around 15 routes in the first half of games this year. He has targeted twice as much in their wins as he is in their losses. Now, someone could say, well, they're probably running fewer snaps except I just told you he's running as many routes in both situations. So it's not like the average is 15 routes run because they're on the field more when they're winning and only nine when they're losing. He's on the field available about the same number and twice as often when they win, they throw them the football, which is weird. Let's go to David and shit. Tilly on Grant and Danny. What's up, David? How are you? Hey, love the chat and, you know, I think you're on to something with Cliff. He actually went past, past run to start that game instead of run, run, past and we see where that got us. Yeah. The third play run was a 40 yard major tuddy, by the way. Well, I do think that's a big deal because all of a sudden we have to be Robert. We have B-Rob back and you look at last week where you needed a little bit more moxie. And if I'm going to show up and have B-Rob on my side, I'm just going to be ready to go. And I think that the whole team showed up and sort of fed off that. Feels like to a degree, right? I mean, their energy guys are McClorne. When he makes a play, it makes everyone else happy, right? They all like for progress. They're human beings. They like when their team does well. But when Terry scores a touchdown, it seems to mean more to the guys than when, you know, Chris Rodriguez does or something like that. And you could notice that same with Robinson, he's a tone setter. As much as I kind of, you know, wish we would get rid of this old school 80s antiquated way of like, bell cow, physicality downhill, something to be said for it, you know, like I would employ an army of Austin Echlers and Scatbacks and guys that can hit home runs. But there is a value in having that dude come through the hole in the defender going again, like there's something to that. I've had a few people ask about the financial element of Emmanuel Forbes being claimed and what that means for Washington in terms of money coming off the books and how much of the money will be dead and hinder them moving forward. So by claiming him and adding him via that process on waivers, the Rams get Forbes is remaining guaranteed salary. So they're actually making a commitment and investment to bring him in. The commanders are still going to be on the hook for the signing bonus that's prorated as dead money. So that means on next year's cap 2025, they will have about four million in dead money. You would pay him a lot more to have him here, right? You would pay him because the call starts going up after you're one, two, three, four, a couple million more bucks. You're saving a couple million dollars, but you are paying four million for Emmanuel Forbes to not be here next year and unbelievable, unbelievable. There's nothing for him to do. And I'm not criticizing, by the way, it's just, it's remarkable that fall. Pretty obvious. They just said this guy can't do what we want to do, but he doesn't play special teams, really. There was some flirtation with him. Remember the daliance of him as a return man and what a joke that story was. He's gained 20 pounds, he's 17 pounds heavier and I'm looking and I'm going, where? I don't. I don't see it. Again, to write in the, I'm sure, right by a certainty, the 17 pounds that he gained. I know it's 17 pounds gained, looks like, it looks like me after New Orleans. Well, it looks like a nice one or two week vacation. It's right. Like I'm holding my breath everywhere. He did not gain 17 pounds. No, he didn't. But I do. I'll root for him. I mean, I don't have to like the rest of commanders, fans. You don't have to worry about where he was drafted now. I hope he bounces back. Why wouldn't you cheer for that kid? Go have a career, man. Yeah. See, it seems like it's almost like a wonderful young man. I just, I feel bad that, and this is what happens a lot of times a guy's biggest crime is he doesn't play well. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's the cruelty of pro sports. So you get compensated awful lot to sort of barrier that or buffer that a little bit, but it does stick. So Josh Harris and Roger Goodell are apparently at the Capitol building today, wheeling and dealing over at the Senate where they're trying to get some support so that they can get the DC land. I think we picked off part of the Josh Harris conversation with some of those senators. I thought maybe, maybe Danny could provide that for us. 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