[Music] Who are you? Jesse Earl, a nerd, filmmaker, and queer weirder. What do you want? An absolutely normal Babylon-pie podcast where nothing weird happens. Where are you going? I guess somewhere else because you ain't getting that here. Who do you serve, and who do you trust? Why do you have to ask it like that? [Music] Who do you serve, and who do you trust? Hello Interwebs, and welcome to the Jumpgate Podcast. I am your dramatically ironic host, Jesse Gender, and I am joined as always by. You're pushing it on that one. Like, that's one of those letter of the law, but not the spirit, because I've told you, I'm capping it at two words, that's technically two words, but that's a lot of syllables. Uh-huh, uh-huh, I think now you're being too pedantic, huh? Oh, I have not even begun to be pedantic! It's bureau, by the way! I was about to say, speaking of pedantic, how's your life? What? It stinks you, bitch! I have taken a turn at this point. You have pushed me too far, Vera. I am now, I am now pushing back. There's only so far you can push me, Vera. Jesse, Jesse, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you so much. You love it when I push you, I despise it, no idea what you're talking about. The biggest smile on her face, as she hides off camera, so I can't describe. Fuck you, how is your life, tell me how your life's been? The embarrassed joy upon her face. She hates that she loves it. No, I have no idea what you're talking about. Uh, I'm doing okay! Uh, yeah, not the, um, the drag queen story hour. If my Erin ever listens to this podcast, she's gonna be so upset. She knows, she knows, it's fine. Uh, drag queen story hour happened in my town over the weekend, which turned it to a much bigger thing than it needed to, partially because local news, I can't remember if I talked to you about this. You told me, I don't know if you told me about that. Yeah, I don't think I said on mic, but the local newspaper ran a, uh, story, uh, the week before, which was one of those things that's masquerading as balanced, but isn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and it has been an entire week of letters to the editor, either condemning the article or condemning drag story hour. Um, you can guess all my feelings on that. The actual event, which I did go to, uh, while not into the thing proper at the, at the library because my kid's too old to want to go to that. So I wasn't going to just be the weird adult just standing in the back with no kid. Um, but, uh, there were protesters there, vastly outnumbered by counter protesters and supporters. Nice. Like it was not even close. I mean, that's generally the case. These are all, it's always loud, obnoxious people that we give too much platform to. Well, it, it hasn't always been the case when that same drag story hour was at one town over, there were more protesters than counter protesters, granted again, part of that might have been the local paper, making it into a bigger deal and cause a lot of the counter protesters aren't, you know, from my town, they're like, they're from Vermont. They're, you know, they were within a drivable distance, but they're not from the town itself, whereas the protesters, it's harder to tell. Some of them might have been, but the, the energy and like the cars that went by were like giving big thumbs up to the, to the counter protesters and the, the police were around, but they were not, they were never needed in any capacity. Everything was peaceful. It was, it was disappointing to see the protesters there at all. And it was heartening to see the number of people who showed up to basically say, God, you people are idiots. I feel that feels good. So, yeah, it balanced well on that measure. Nice. Well, I'm glad it, that happened. Well, I'm glad I've said that it happened, uh, at all, but I'm glad that it had at least a pause. Yeah. Generally, it's, I'm annoyed it happened. I'm glad it panned out the way it did. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. how's your audio book going? Because I finally went up and I downloaded it. I haven't listened to it yet. I'm actually starting tonight after this. I have not been watching the sales because I've got too much other stuff going on. But it's doing okay. I did not expect a massive sales number or anything. I'm going to start plugging it in my videos. Basically give a sponsorship section to myself. I mean, I'm going to do the same thing with identities. Blue rays come out. As you should, as you should. So that that'll probably help. But yeah, it's out there. I need to set up through the recycle book funnel to have a way to get it distributed to my backers, which is. Yeah, every time. Yeah, which I can do and I'm going to do soon is just, you know, juggling a lot of crap. Well, I still haven't gotten to the new episodes of Arkane. God damn it. Yeah, I'm fine on that too. Well, I'm looking forward to reading it. It'll feel like, you know, it's good to book about dreaming of fire. And, you know, speaking of which, we're talking about episodes called, "Each Night I Dream of Home." Man, I bungled that. That was right there. It was right there. Dream's a fire, the book, and then I fucked it up. I fucked it up. I'm disappointed in myself. I'm not even going to let you comment on it. I fucked it up and I acknowledge this. You tried, Jesse, and that. For that alone. I'm proud of you. It despies you so much. We are talking about the Crusade episode, "Each Night I Dream of Home." So let us get into our recap. We start off the episode with Gideon shuffling cards on the bridge for no reason that ever comes back up again. Yeah. I was waiting for him to, like, deal out solitaire or something, but no, apparently he just passes the time by shuffling. Yeah. I mean, everyone needs a fidget spinner. You know, everyone's got a thing. I'm not going to knock it. It was just a weird thing to give him without acknowledging in any way. But yeah, I see it as like a weird fidget spinner thing. I guess I get that, but like, haven't do some shuffle tricks or something, just to say they're doing a basic shuffle, like, really? He's a basic bitch. Come on. Okay. And supposedly he's a good gambler. They should have shown him, like, hiding a card or, you know, rigging the deck, something. Yeah, something like that. But we do get the acknowledgement that they have been waiting two hours for somebody. They got a call from, you know, military command saying meet somebody here, but they don't know anything about it. And there's a quick little line between him and Daniel, they Kim, where Daniel, they Kim sort of, we're Gideon sort of arguing about like, oh, we don't even know who we're waiting for. How do we know when they arrive? And Daniel, like, Kim says, well, when they start shooting at us, we know it's not one of ours. And Gideon says, oh, that's more than I gave you credit for, which feels like an oblong reference to, like, the Civil War stuff from Babylon 5. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, bro, we had a Civil War recently. We had a recess of like them shooting at us. They could be on our side in theory and still shoot us. Yeah, exactly. But they do, a ship does come out of hyperspace. And it is a warlock class destroyer, which is sort of like a bigger ship we've never really seen before. And Gideon acknowledged that, you know, these are just new lead deployed. So whoever's on that ship must be important. And then we cut away and learned that it is a Senator Redway and a Mr. Williams, who we'll learn more about later. But Senator Redway, sort of the is the big one. Yeah. Well, we cut to that being, we cut to the briefing with Senator Redway. Yeah, Senator, I might just be a simple country lawyer. Definitely gives it all that vibe. He has one specific line that he says, he's like, oh, you know, then this dad come play happened. Yeah, he literally said dad come play. Wow, he just needed the overalls to go like, well, sir, and just like, that is the one he was missing the suspenders to be able to like just rest his thumb. And I'm like, well, sir, I do declare exactly a fog horn, like corn of senators. Pretty close. I said, boy. This is gosh darn plague. And I hate these damn aliens. You know, anyways, he is here and he sort of reveals, you know, there, well, there's some acknowledgement of the situation that, you know, there's a lot of secrecy around him because he's one of the only a few senators that were off planet at the time of the, the plague being dispersed. So they sort of have to kind of hide where they're at. But now he has been giving new orders from the joint chiefs, referring to Gideon's orders, and that they are to head to earth and proceed, pick up something and proceed to a test area. But he will not acknowledge what exactly it is that they are going to be doing. He's just saying that it's urgent and they must not be delayed. They will not stop for anything or anyone. We then cut to a star fury floating adrift in space. And we go into it and we learn it's Lockley, who is, as everyone knows, the head of Babylon five from that the final season of that show. She is floating out in space in a star fury and about to run out of oxygen. She has about one and a half hours of oxygen left. And this is why you do not send commanding officers out into firefights. I was thinking that exact thing. It's like even even in a show that is not her own. We still have Babylon five commanders just fucking off into space and drifting. This is clearly a systemic issue within everyone who originates from earth forces. I just assume at this point, they all do it. Oh, quite literally, because I think every single commander on this show of any Babylon five show has been adrift in space and needed to be saved in some spectacular way at some point. Gideon was saved by what's his face? Why am I blank? And Gaylyn Lockley saved right now. Sheridan, or sorry, Sinclair was saved by the Mambari way back in the Battle of the Line. It's just a thing that they do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, it's Sinclair. I feel like he might have been out out in space as a boy, but like, even out of stretch, he still basically died while out off the station and got and got revived from that. So like, same principle. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Just don't just stay where you're supposed to be. Don't be a Kirk. Be up a card. Come on. Stay put and do your day of job. This is not your job. Stop doing that. But yes, we then cut back to the senator sort of looking around the the Excalibur and sort of like talking about like, Oh, wow, this is this is a great shit. I'm glad you shut. Great chip. I'm glad I voted for it. And then Gideon points out, you actually didn't vote for it, sir. You voted against it. Yeah, he's like, didn't any senator sort of says, it didn't they teach you not to, you know, talk back to your disagree with your elders. So fun guy. Well, I mean, also, like, it's the kind of thing that if I watched this when it was there, I probably would have rolled my eyes out like that's kind of a stupid gag, except, you know, I've watched repeatedly as actually whenever something goes right, whatever people are in power will take credit for even if they try to stop it from happening. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Anyways, Mr. Williams, who is on the ship, who's just this random guy, this with the senator, Juan, it says that he wants to see Dr. Chambers. So he heads away. And then getting goes up to Daniel, they came to sort of ask him to investigate this, Mr. Williams. And there's sort of a little funny exchange where, you know, Daniel, they came seems to start to push back against this. It says, Oh, that's just kind of jokingly like, Oh, that would be a great breach of protocols. I would like we would have to break all the rules to do it. And then he reveals that when that he's already done done it and looked him up and says he's actually just a plumber. So it was a funny little bit. I liked yeah. It's cute. Yeah. So yeah, Mr. Williams is a nobody. He's just sort of who works as a plumber. So they're questioning why he is with the senator. But that's when they get the call from Lockley's star fury. And Gideon initially wants to stop, but the senator says we cannot. Yeah, please. I think did you did you skip over? What's his face going and talking to the doctor or does that or is that not? No, no, that comes that comes that comes later. I could have sworn it was before they picked up Lockley. No, according to this, it's well, I mean, I have it down to my my thing here. We will get to it. But yeah, it's not it didn't come at this point, at least I didn't write it at this point. All right. Well, whatever. We'll get to it, I promise. But yes, we do have. Where was I saying? Oh, yeah. So they get the call from the star fury. And the senator does will not want them to do that to stop and get it. And you know, Gideon starts pushing back is like we're required by regulations to investigate distress calls. They might die from lack of oxygen. And the senator says that is he is against it. He demands that he doesn't. But Gideon sort of says that order has to come through the chain of command. And the senator points out, well, the chain of command did say that you are not allowed to stop. And Gideon said, well, who said anything about stopping? So they decide to basically come out of hyperspace. And because the ship has sort of these artificial gravity, sort of basically a tractor beam, that can sort of grab the ship and sort of guide it into the the cargo into the shiphold, they can kind of run it over. And hopefully it'll sort of get picked up. But even that would be very dangerous, because you have to be right on top of it. And also the speed by which they're doing it would would still cause it to potentially crash into the ship. But they do do it. Well, I like that the senator is like, but because at first the center is like, we shouldn't be doing this at all. And Gideon makes it clear like I'm doing this anyway, then the senator's like, maybe we should consider just stopping the senator. My orders are not to stop for any reason. And I'm not going to disobey my orders, which I like on some level on another level. If the guy offered to stop, it feels like you should have because it endangers not only Lockley's life, but everyone on the crew for a matter of principle. I get that. But then another part of me is like, this guy is clearly such a weasel that even if he's saying it's okay, now he could easily double back on that later. It's true. And if it's on the record that you stopped when you weren't supposed to, that's something he could hold over you regardless. I guess that is true still. Yeah, but I guess you've got a point. But anyways, Gideon does sort of like when they do grab Lockley and actually, well, well, the seat guy isn't particularly great. I do like the sequence of the ship sort of like being pushed through a bunch of like essentially force fields to slow it down and it stops just in time. I thought that was like, yeah, I was fine on that. It wasn't great, but it was fine. Yeah, well, I liked it because it was, it's just a cool like acknowledgement of how space works because usually you don't get that in a lot of sci-fi shows like this sometimes. Yeah, so it was, it was cool. Anywho, this Gideon does confront the senator after this point and says, you know, I, you know, once upon a time I was on the other end of his dress speaking like this, I will never not stop for anyone. I will don't don't do it for you or anyone else. So yeah, acknowledging that he's been in a similar situation as we just talked about. Yeah, which again, stop going. Yeah, well, it makes sense for him, I guess, because he was a grunt at that point. But still, it was the bad idea. Fair enough. But yeah, and, and actually like as much as we pick on him, I do, I do like that sort of reminded that for him, a situation like this is actually personally, he's not just being pigheaded on the principle. He's been the person running out of oxygen, desperately hoping for a miracle that somebody picks him up. So yeah, I, I, I think it actually works as a good reminder that he, he has an investment in a situation like this. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Well, we then get to the scene that you were talking about where Williams is talking to chambers. And he, he sort of talks about, you know, he was on a mining colony before he, I'm Mars, I believe it was on Mars, before he would have gone back to earth and he would, you know, he actually was supposed to go back earlier, but he had to stay for some reason or another. And he would have been exposed. And he's feeling kind of guilty about it. And he sort of asked, and we sort of leave it on this, this note, he sort of asked chambers to be infected with the plague. And we'll find out more about that later on in just a minute. And him telling her this makes no sense. Yeah, it really does not. Yeah, for what we learn later on. Yeah, there's a litany of reasons why this doesn't make sense. Yeah, you want to go do them? Okay, so like the idea that he wants to be infected, that makes sense that and that will get full context and we'll get to all that. The fact that he tells her makes zero sense, because she is not the one directly going to be doing it. She's going to be involved somewhat later, but she's gonna, like, it doesn't make sense to give her the information now, especially because we're about to have a two day time jump. You're telling me that in two days, not once did she ever go to the captain and go, hey, captain, that dude who came with the senator asked me the weirdest fucking thing. Maybe we should look into this. Yeah, that's the thing for me because I can see some level of like him, like being able to get permission to tell her in advance before Franklin, spoiler Franklin, comes on, but it's just weird to have it be this early and cut off in this way. Like the scene is just weird. Yeah, it's especially weird because it's like, we're not going to pick up on this again, like, yeah, not for a while, because we have this two day jump and we're going to immediately be dealing with Lockney. I'm like, what? Yeah, I know. The one aspect of it that I do kind of like that again gets dropped in Leo of other things that sort of cause him to want to be infected with the plague, but the one aspect of this scene that does get brought up that I noted, I'm like, oh, that's kind of interesting, but doesn't go anywhere, is there's a sense of like 9/11 style survivors guilt, you know, those people who are just sort of like, I could have gotten on the plane that would have crashed into the world trade center or whatever. There's there's there's a level of that to this. Yeah, it's not getting that I found interesting. It's not going to be because he's going to be given a completely different motivation other than that. Yes. Which, yes, again, not to say that he can't have survivor's guilt and also another motivation, but given that this is this guy's one appearance, my recommendation would have been pick one. Yeah, yeah, it really reads to me like a scene that you just wanted to have there to sort of give like, ooh, what's going on, like, intrigue to it until you get to it later on in the episode. But it was just kind of done weirdly. Yeah, it just it wasn't necessary. It doesn't add much and it doesn't make sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, we then cut to Lockley and Gideon, Gideon sort of checking in on Lockley as she's healing up. And she reveals that she was trying to stop some raiders from hitting civilian transports. And she sort of asked to be brought back to Babylon 5, but Gideon cannot tell her anything and can't bring her back right away anyways because they're heading towards Earth and you can't tell you at all of this. And she says, there's a funny little line where she I didn't write it all down, but she sort of asked him, you know, what can you tell me needs list off a litany of like very funny, weird facts like don't don't eat food in a place called Pops. Don't eat anything bigger than your head. Don't play pool at a place called Pops and don't order food in a place called Moz. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish I thought it was funny, but he does also point out it's like the mission is classified and as soon as I can fill you in, I will and I'll drop you off at Babylon 5 as soon as we can, but consider this a surprise vacation. And he offers to have her join him for dinner and sort of implied that it, you know, he's sort of joking. He says, you know, not on the first date captain when she sort of asked him a question. Well, okay, so I'm trying to figure out if this was a dick joke or not, because like he said, he offers to get her dinner and she says it's not going to be anything bigger than my head, is it? And he says not on the first date, which even if it's not meant to be my dick, my dick is so big, it's bigger than your head joke, I can't help but feel the weight of that implication. So if it wasn't intended, you should have rethought that if it wasn't intended, gross. Yeah, I mean, it's not bigger than your head. Ha ha. Good. Because the penis is the head of a penis is called the, it's called the head of penis. Moving on. I just wanted to let you stew in that one. Thank you. And in our listeners, I'm sure appreciated it too. Yes, I'm sure they did thinking very much about the size of your head. Thank you. Yeah. I'm not going to enjoy dear listeners. Enjoy. Look, I've had a whole surgery to get rid of that. So I know, I know, but it doesn't mean people can't wonder. Okay. Skip ahead 15 seconds here. If you want, if you're going to be grossed out by a TMI thing, please listeners jump ahead 15 seconds. But I will say I did have friends in college after I got my surgery. It was like right after college, who were upset that I didn't measure it. So I didn't know how long, how long I was before I before I got my surgery. Because now we'll never know, now we'll never know. I mean, like that makes sense to me because if you don't want it, then you don't care. That was my, that was my response. Yeah. Like it only matters to people who care about having it. Yeah. Yeah. That makes 100% sense. And my friends didn't care about having it. They were just more like, why didn't you? It's information you could have known. It was funny, but yeah. So I mean, I know how big mine is, but that's also because I don't play to get rid of it. And I'm rather fond of it. Oh, well, thank you listeners for indulging this conversation. Speaking of TMI. And if you're curious. Oh, Jesus, how much it is. Check out my only fans or many bids. Jesus Christ, some people to sign up for a nice Babylon five podcast and this they should know better by now. Jesus, if you're still here expecting that, then this is your own. We're watching crusade. I feel like people are, if they're in there and at this point, I Jesus, I should hope. See, I'm way, I'm way more worried. When we're moving on to another show. Yeah, because we're jumping on. Yeah. Yeah. Who have no idea what they're in for. That's what I worried about. We have to keep it down for the first few episodes of that. And then we can slowly release. Yeah. This audience, you lovely folks, you know what we're about. I know I can cut loose with you and let my freak flag fly a little bit. Anyway, speaking of freak flags, flying. That makes no sense. I was hoping that would work and I looked at my next scene does not work. They're on the bridge. I'm just bad at transitions today. It's just not happening. We're on the bridge. And they're looking at Earth and we have this little bit of a philosophical conversation where Gideon is sort of talking about Earth and sort of says, you know, I can, you know, I can close my eyes and I can see every detail of Earth's surface. But you and I close my eyes. I can't remember like exactly how the face of my father looked. And, you know, Daniel, they can sort of has this response saying, you know, it might be because, you know, we see all of our father's faces at different points in their lives and they all blur together. But Earth, Earth is constant. And Gideon says, you're too young to be having thoughts that old lieutenant. So that was a fun little one little. It is nice. And I like the way he says it. You know, do you remember your father's face from when you were young, from when you were older, you know, the first time you moved out of the house or the last time you ever saw him? Yeah, no, it's a nice little philosophical beat. I like I'm trying to think it to my mind doesn't really connect with the rest of the episode of then sort of like upholding Earth is a sort of like constant force. But yeah, not not specifically, but it's a nice enough moment. It's not, it's not like they try and make it own bearing anyway. So I'm okay with it. Cute little scene. But yes, we then have a ship leave Earth orbit. And the senator sort of says you need to, you know, bring it on board, but bring something on board from there. And Gideon's like, hell no, the law says that we can't break the quarantine. And the ship, and we need to shoot anything down that breaks orbit. The ship then shoots out an escape pod and blows up. And the senator says, well, the record will show that it exploded due to a ship malfunction, but have that life pod brought aboard. And the senator sort of says the risks are acceptable. You know, it's been sterilized on the outside. And the thing that is inside, you'll have to open it up to find out, but make sure you open it somewhere safe. And Gideon sort of like does take it on board. And I like his reasoning here because he's like, Daniel, like him is sort of pushing against and he's like, look, I have not met a politician yet who would endanger his own life. So if he's going to stay on board, we'll bring this thing on. It must be reasonably safe, which I actually like to his justification. Yeah, like, and I think it also works because he's spent a little time with this politician in particular. I think I think it might have been two week of justification if we just met the senator, because it would seem like he's just going off platitudes. But like, thanks to the time jump, we know he's been around this guy for a couple of days. So I feel like that's that's enough time to make this kind of assessment about. Yeah, it's like this guy's not going to endanger his own life, you know, so yeah. Anywho, we then get a quick little scene where Mr. Williams opens a channel to Earthcom. Sadly, it was a non-babcom, you know, alas, no more babcom, sad face. But he sort of uses the senator's restrictions, Senator's authority to be able to get the call to Earth. We'll learn about it more in just a second. But they open up the pod in the sick bay area, and it turns out, in a very dramatically shown fashion, that it's goatee wearing Steven Franklin. Oh, it's my girl. She's in that beard denial phase. Yeah, yeah, like we've all had our denial beards. Yeah, I mean, I literally only had mine for like a week, but I still had mine mine was a neck beard for several several years. Oh, dear God. Yeah, yeah, that was the whole thing. I could not grow. I can't really grow beard like an actual beard beard. All I can do is like a neck beard. So that's what I did. Yep, that that should have been your sign right there. I know, I know, I know, believe me, I know. But yeah, he does have a goatee is doing that garibaldi goatee. It's better than garibaldi. It is better than garibaldi's. But but still, it's not like, look, can we be honest for a minute? There are not very many people who pull off a goatee. A goatee is a really hard look to make work. Yeah, sure. And I think kind of pulled it off. Didn't you ever go to? Sure. It did. Okay. It wasn't it wasn't bad. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad. Mm hmm. Spock did. Spock always pulled that off. Well, anyways, yes. So they refer to Williams as a frank comes on board and he refers to Williams as a patient. And Gideon sort of a surprise by this and Franklin sort of gets angry at the senators that hey, part of the deal was that Gideon had to be informed about all this. And he sort of explains, we want to identify the plague because we have not been able to get a visual of it at any point. Um, because it keeps mutating too fast for us to get a baseline of it. So the only way to get a good read of it is at the moment of contamination. So we need to infect someone and follow his infection, be able to get a good read of it. Yeah, we need to take somebody who we know doesn't have it, give it to him, and then watch what changes so that we can actually narrow it down and and isolate this thing. Mm hmm. This makes sense. Yeah. At least to my not being a doctor, it makes sense of it. I'm sure it makes no medical sense whatsoever, but it makes a certain amount of logical sense, which is enough. Yes. And I feel it's worth emphasizing like from the moment getting out of this life pod, like Franklin is, is in a quarantined area. He is behind very heavy duty glass because yes, he is infected. Now, I don't know if JMS realized that that confirms that this play will get cured. Does it? Because we had at the end of Babylon five, we had the 20 year flash before. Yeah, that's true. And Franklin's alive. That's true. We know he's alive way past the five year deadline. That's true. Yeah. I think even in the Babylon five, there's not, I think there's references to earth as well. So like the fact that possibly I like that I can't remember, but like just the just the raw number of the time jump. Oh, okay. So they are gonna not that not that I ever thought they weren't going to, but it is one of those things that normally you'd kind of want to be like, Oh, you know, leave it, leave it be like, Oh, maybe they won't. You don't know. Like, no, we do though. Yeah, or we could have been a clone. It could have been Franklin clone. You don't know. You don't know. It's a hologram recreation like that thing with Garibaldi and the way, way, way flash. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. You don't know. You don't know. Well, um, we also get a quick scene where we see Williams calling his what will later learn as his fiance. And she sort of gets upset saying, you know, don't do this for me. And he says, I'm not doing it for you. I'm doing it for myself. And we also get a quick little scene where the rock a rock fleet overhears his communication. So which has been a while since we have had the drop as an active presence, like, which I honestly, I kind of question a little bit. Like not the logistics logistics. It's fine. It's whatever. But I don't know. To me, there's something almost more sinister or kind of sense of dread and doom that like the drop showed up, dropped this thing, and whatever amount of them didn't die in the in the fight just buggered off and we never see him again. Yeah. Like I think I almost would have preferred that. I agree. I mean, I've had this conversation before when we watched a call to arms, but like the drop worked in Babylon 5 to the extent that they did work in that show, because they were this like mysterious force manipulating people behind the scenes that you knew were there, but weren't like, uh, overbearing or an active, like, ah, we are here making our plans. You just sort of like saw the effect of their plans and how they were manipulating people and controlling people, quite literally workers. Like that was a certain level of existential drive that felt different than the way the shadows worked. Like they certainly did in the same vein as the shadows, but not the exact same and kind of added a good level of dread. And then both in a call to arms and then in this appearance here and really just kind of the presence and crusade generally, they're just sort of like evil generic evil aliens that are there to be antagonist at different points. Yeah, like kind of the difference between them and the shadows was the shadows could just show up and kill you. The thing with the drop is they don't have any physical power to do that. Yeah, you don't know where they are. You don't know what they're doing. So yeah, kind of like having them just have a fleet that intercepts a signal and then sends out fighters feels like a diminishment of them. Yeah, because again, I like the idea that they just, I mean, their whole thing with the sintari, like taking over sintari prime was that like they did not have any power. Their only power was in the manipulating of others and sort of getting power that way. Yeah. And now they've got a fleet. Yeah, and I got to think they can show up and just start attacking things. Okay. Yeah, it doesn't really work. I mean, I guess there's a logical sense to it that's been several years since that scene of Babylon 5, so they could have built up a fleet and that like it makes it makes sense logically. It just makes them less interesting as antagonist. Yeah. Yeah. And like I get there trying to raise the stakes and like I know how this is going to impact, you know, the episode and like, so like I get that and I guess the only alternative is like to have something completely random happened in just bad timing or, you know, maybe just ramp up the inherent tension of the situation rather than forcing an external threat, but TV writers will never internalize that lessons. Well, Gideon comes in after Williams talks to his fiance and, you know, Gideon kind of presses him and says, you know, I, you know, I know you volunteered for this, but if I'm going to allow this to continue, it's on my conscience and I won't sanction whatever this is until I know why you're choosing to get infected with the virus. And he explains that his fiance, they, they proposed to each other and that they were going to get married, but she went back to earth first and she got stuck there with a plague. And so he wants to, you know, their plan was to get married in a week. And he says, I'm not going to break my promise to her. And Gideon sort of says, well, you could be dead in less than five years. And he says, well, we all die and I can't live without her. I'd rather live five years with her than a hundred years without her. Can't you understand that? And Gideon says, maybe someday, if I'm as lucky as you are, and presumably then goes to sanction it. Yeah. So there's a couple of things I like about this, like on the one hand, is it a little cheesy and a little road? Like, I'm doing this for the love of my life. Yeah, a little bit, but there's a couple of things that, that make it work for me. The first is, there was actually part of his line in response to Gideon saying, you know, you could, this could mean you'll die in five years. The one of the first things he says is, well, you know, I could also die tomorrow. And it's, it's one of the things that I, that I always appreciate about situations like this one shows to it where like, oh, you're, you're taking on this risk. That means you're going to be dead at x point in time. I'm like, okay, but that, that doesn't mean that I, that wouldn't have happened anyway. Like, there's, there's this sense of, I know it's not literally this, but the sense of almost presumed immortality from people who don't know when they're going to die. Like, well, I assume it'll be in a while, no matter what. And like, the idea of having a firm number tends to scare those people, whereas people who, who take it from the perspective of, well, I could die tomorrow regardless of anything else tend to, tend to be a little, have a different philosophical approach to it. So I like that. And as cheesy as it is the, the line of, I'd rather live five years with it than a hundred years without her, I'm like, that sells his intent very well, as much as that is kind of a cheesy line. It's cheesy, but I buy it because it feels like the character is cheesy. Yeah. The dialogue and isolation. He does feel a little bit of a romantic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it sells it well. Romantic plumber. I'm here for it. I stand. I also kind of like that. I also kind of like Gideon's reply to that, which isn't that like, yes, I understand that, but rather like, no, I don't, but maybe if I'm lucky, I will someday. Like, I also like, I also like that, where he's not taken by like, unless you put this in terms that I have personally experienced and understood, I won't let you do it. Like, oh, I don't get that, but that is beautiful. And okay, we'll do this. I'm here for you. Yeah. No, I like this. There's little nuances to it. It's nice. Yeah, no, I did like it as well. Well, we do have Franklin talking with Dr. Stevens at this point. And Franklin sort of starts up as saying, hey, when it comes time, I'll push the button to infect Williams. I don't want it on your conscience, which I like that bit him sort of taking it on. Yeah, I like that. They do make a little bit of a, what? No, like, I kind of where she like seems offended at first because she thinks he's, he doesn't think that she could do it. Like, she's, she's up for it and he has to, he has to clarify that. Like, I guess that kind of works, but also like it's, it's her inherent snipping, is showing up again. It's like, yeah, fine. Yeah, yeah, I get that. But one thing that he does point out that Franklin explains here is that it couldn't do it on any other species. They have to do it on a human because the virus works differently in different species. So any cure they find for guinea pigs, for example, will only work on guinea pigs to which I respond. When, so that means Earth's gonna be dead no matter what is my response to that idea because it's like, okay, unless, well, considering whatever way they find out to cure the virus, maybe they'll find some other way, but like, if you're just working on a way to save humans, but you save the humans and then they have to find like a cure for every other species on planet Earth, there's no way they're gonna do that. So all the species are going to die, in which case Earth, Earth can't be sustainable anymore. They do later specifically say mammals. They do say mammals still though. I mean, like, not to say that isn't a match massive death detriment, but like, here's my thinking on that. If we get humans cured and the quarantine is lifted, they can what is lost from the loss of other mammals can't, at least for the purposes of maintaining a way of life at all, can be covered for by imports by exports. People can move somewhere else. Yeah, like, I'm not saying it's not worth saving humanity at all. Well, no, it's it's not fuck us. We're terrible, but save the guinea pigs first. Yeah, honestly, prioritize the guinea pigs and the whales and the bats. But fair, fair. He also kind of explains, Frank kind of explains how the virus is working, because when everyone got on the day that the virus infected Earth, 850 people died from a rare strain of Ebola virus, including two people on an island that no one could ever reach because of a hurricane that went through. Then just a short while later, 720 people died of an unknown strain of hepatitis B. And it appears that this is the virus operating in different forms. It just keeps popping up in different ways. And it keeps doing things in trial and error to kill humans. And it's and it's just mutating too quickly. So it's either it's either one virus that is mutating very, very quickly and killing people as fast as it can through trial and error. Or, as Stevens points out, it could be several different viruses. And in which case, if that's the case, then the human race is just fucked, frankly, and basically says. So there's there's a couple of things I like about this, because Franklin kind of points out this is how they came up with the five year timeline. It's not that the five years is a hard date after which the virus figures them out. They just ran the math like after five years, one of two things will happen. It will either have mutated in a way that hits everybody as opposed to mutating into these forms of existing things and then hitting a certain number of people who are theoretically vulnerable to that. Or if it doesn't hit on something that wipes out everybody, this trial and error that the virus appears to be doing of cropping up in different forms will have taken out so much of the human race anyway that whatever's left won't matter. Yeah, yeah, which honestly feels like it's means the timetable is a little faster. But well, what it feels like is that it's again, it's less a hard hard timetable like this is the point where everybody dies. But rather the point of we are going to be dying continuously. And at that point is the point where there's nobody left. Yes, exactly. Yeah, which is a different perspective and it makes the five year less of a hard less of an amount of time they have to work with and more of a it gets worse every day. And then that's when you have truly lost. Yeah, yeah. And friendly to say things are starting to get desperate on there. And he sort of points out, you know, as a doctor, I've sworn an oath to do no harm. And now I have to push a button to infect a man. So he's sort of ruminating on that choice. Then we have a quick little scene between Lockley and Gideon. Lockley is trying to walk. She's sort of pushing herself a little bit too hard after having just been told to rest. And there's a funny little line where she's like leaning up against a wall and Gideon says, Oh, are you helping? I guess you're just helping with the wall, holding up the wall in case of an emergency. And she's, you know, I'm just trying to do my part, she says, which was cute. And yeah, and so I don't remember what else is happening here. But as since there's essentially they have a quick little conversation where he tries to push her to like lie down for a while and take care of herself. But yeah, it remains vaguely flirtatious. Yeah, that's basically what the scene is. This is the vaguely flirtatious scene between the two. It's cute enough. It's fine. Then we come back to Franklin and David now. And they basically set this up where they're in two separate isolation rooms. And Franklin is. And this is worth noting because I had to figure this out as it went. The two isolation rooms are connected, but there's basically an airlock between them. Yeah, there's an airlock between the two of them and there's also an air event between the two of them. And what the plan is, is that they're going to open up the air event. And David's going to get infected with the virus because it's going to connect his room with Franklin's and they'll sort of have the air between the two of them. And then he'll get infected and they'll scan them as they're doing that. So they do that. But there is a malfunction on his side of the Franklin's side of the isolation chamber. And so chambers has to be the one to push the button. And she sort of says, let me carry this one for you. So you got to decide what her name is, because you keep switching between chambers and Stevens. What? What? What did I say? You said chambers this time, you're saying Stevens earlier, unless it's a character that I have not kept track of. I don't know why I said that Sarah Chambers. I don't know why I said Stevens earlier. Yeah, you were saying it repeatedly. Yeah, we're Sarah Chambers is a name. I don't know why the hell I said Stevens is weird. Yeah, like this is a moment that is like, I get why it's here because it it is her vol it. It's like the thing that Franklin was trying to save her from of having to infect a man like she has to do it now anyway. Like, okay, they make a bigger deal out of it than I think the story has any use for. Like this moment is this whole thing of like malfunction malfunction. She's like, I'll do it. I'm like, okay, but like him saving you from having to do this hasn't been made as big a deal as you're now making the undoing of that promise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, I think I think the reason why I call her Stevens because Stephen Franklin, so I just weirdly mix them up in my name, my mind. I don't know why. Yeah, I was wondering if that was it Sarah Chambers is her name. Don't know why I call her Stevens. Probably because I mixed her up with Franklin's name. Anyways, regardless, there is that scene or maybe maybe you're just a misogynist who assumed that it that it must be a man. So you gave her a man's name. Yeah, that's exactly it. I hate women. You've discovered the truth. I mean, like we up your trans. Of course you do. Of course I do. Of course I do. I want to take all their spaces away from them. That's just it. Anywho, the medical scan is activated. They should say they said initially this could take a while, but actually it doesn't entrance the system and it starts reproducing incredibly quickly. And it's and frankly even compares it to like it's compressing like a zipped file, which is which seems like a weird data compressing decompressing like a zip file, which I thought was a weird would have been it's a weird reference for a sci-fi show to make. It feels like that was my first thought, but then I thought again, I'm like, you know, we still use zip files now despite the fact that I was using the back of the 90s and given how much technology has moved forward, but that shit has stuck around. I could see it being one of those bits of tech where maybe technically it's not doing the same thing, but the the language of compressing and decompressing data. I could see that sticking around with the same terminology. Yeah, it's the same that happens with like editing. Like we we don't like there's there's like terminology from like when you would do film editing, like you'd actually cut the different. Yeah, you say like the cut here, like we still say that even though we don't actually physically cut any. Yeah, or like splice that splice that footage in and splicing is not like that's a specific term for like like taping two pieces of film together to make it one rule. So yeah, I can see it. Anywho, the point they make out that is that the virus is not penetrating non critical regions of the body, it's deliberately bypassing them. And they sort of come to the conclusion that it must be a machine that it's a nano tech virus, very similar to the one that they encountered in the previous episode, like a few episodes ago, but way more complicated. So yeah, which like makes sense. Yeah, like the idea that the virus, well, like we already knew the virus had to adapt to people or to kill them like, yeah, viruses mutate on their own. But if it's going to do with that fast, having it be a nano tech virus, yeah, that actually tracks what the hell else could it be? Yeah. Well, we then get the drop ships coming in, they start firing on the shipple. All this is going on in the virus is infecting Williams. And luckily, sort of watching this happening, we get a quick little shot of her. But Franklin is still watching the virus. And so he's kind of frustrated at all this going down chambers tells the senator to escape and escape pod and he's like, all right, peace, see you. Good idea. So he heads up. I kind of like, like, you're one of the few senators we have who wasn't on earth and infected, we can't afford to lose you as I ask. That's a good idea. Thank you. And he just cools us out. And my immediate thought was, I'm not sure how much he believed that, but she knew it would get rid of him. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But anyways, we do have a fail safe system in the isolation chamber sort of goes off. And it basically causes it's a malfunction. The isolation team didn't breach. But because of that, the computer is going to sterilize Williams side of the chamber and essentially kill him in three minutes. Yeah, like the the system got jostled enough from the from the attack that it it tripped the sensors, even though there wasn't actually a contamination issue, but the system's all automatic. Yep. So, Lockley comes up and says he wants to coordinate the attack and Gideon kind of pushes against this for a minute, but he does let her do that. So she starts going out and coordinating all the star theories against the drop ships. And Gideon comes up with a plan where they're going to turn their main gun on the battle, like the main battle wagon ship of the the drop fleet, because he has the mothership. They actually call it that. Yeah, yeah. They presume that it's just jumping in unleashing its fighters and then jumping away. And so they want to sort of use its jump to hyperspace to sort of piggyback along with it. And they wanted to encourage it by sort of making it look like they're going to shoot it with their main gun. No, not shoot it. They ram it. Oh, ram it. Yeah. Yeah, it's very specific because initially, Daniel Day Kim thinks that Gideon's going to have them fire the gun. He's like, we're going to be vulnerable to everything that isn't the mothership. And he says, I don't know, like prep that will lead it in a minute. But no, set us up for ramming speed and and punch it. Yeah, yeah. Well, they set that up and they that basically kind of goes down. I'm gonna, I'll just explain this bit. And then we'll jump over to the Lockley, most of the Franklin side of things. But they do manage to make this plan work. There's a moment where Lockley, they're not able to communicate this to Lockley because to do that would probably give away the plan. So they're sort of hoping that she'll figure it out. And she does. She manages to get all the ships sort of back on there in time, or at least to follow them out, I should say. Yeah, they have to just tuck in close enough that they can all make the jump gate while it's open. Yep. When they do get into the jump gate, they that's when they fire off the main gun blowing up the ship in front of them. So they are able to get away. During all of this, Franklin, yeah, sorry, there's there was a line earlier when the whole fight was going down that Gideon had said to Daniel They Kim, you know, I, I want those ships out of my space. And then after they blow the thing up, Daniel, they can just, is that far enough out of your space, sir? Yep. I thought that was cute. They actually, they have nice rapport and nice banter moments in this one, which is usually the most that Daniel Day Kim gets. Yeah, unfortunately. Because yeah, I think his character could be interesting, but he doesn't get much, but he does have good rapport with Gideon. I do like that. Yeah, which helps. Sometimes if a character isn't fleshed out, just them having good chemistry is enough to still have it be worth having them there. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. Well, we, during all of this, there's a quick little action beat where Franklin, basically, Williams gets knocked out. And so he's unable to save himself. So Franklin has to sort of use this manual ever to open up his door, then open up Williams door and just manages to drag him out at the last possible second with a very dramatic jump sequence. Okay. Yeah. Can I talk about this jump? Please do. Okay. So, first of all, in theory, Franklin drags this guy out, gets the door closed again. So in theory, yes, there's a bright light, but it should be 100% contained in that room. So the jump honestly feels really unnecessary. Yeah, she's just, she's just being a real dramatic bitch. But more to the point, if the jump is necessary, it's actually kind of more messed up because he she leaves Williams it. She pulls Williams out in the door closes and then leaps over the guy who is just dragged to safety, leaps over him to further safety than the person you just dragged. So either it's either pointless or you're like, fuck Williams, I'll save myself. Yeah. What are you doing? You dramatic queen. Very, very cute. Anyways, B.I. manages to save him. It's all good. Everyone's alive and well. And then there's a final little sequence between Franklin and Gideon. And, you know, they Franklin sort of asked Gideon, well, you didn't tell Williams that it was kind of his fault that a rock were able to find us because it was they caught on to his signal home. And Gideon says, well, it didn't seem like the right thing to do to tell him. And I did appreciate that because it's like, what is it? What does it earn you to make him feel guilty about that? Yeah, it already happened. It makes no difference at this point. And Franklin reveals he didn't get an invitation to Williams' wedding, which was cute. And he sort of like ruminates upon this, as everyone does, is like, well, why do we still do things like this when, you know, we're all going to be dead in four years? And Chambers has this sort of moment about like, well, it's the same reason that people still have babies. You know, it's trying to tell ourselves that life goes on. And remember what you're fighting for. And I did really like that a lot for two reasons. One, just philosophically, I kind of like that. It kind of reminded me of like, you know, climate change, sort of, you know, our existential dread at something like climate change, of like, you know, climate change may be just coming to destroy us all. But you know, we still have hope that we can, you know, get through that. So I liked that little element of it. And then also, I kind of liked it for Chambers. I mean, we keep pushing on the fact that she's very snippy and combative at a lot of the points. But I don't know, there's also it does another element of her character that has come out a little bit that I do like as she's a little bit of an idealist. She had the same sort of thing with the a few episodes ago with this sort of like art that was saved by that guy. She's been getting more decent moments lately, which thank goodness. Well, I like it. I like that she's weirdly the idealist character on the show. So, yeah. But yeah, Franklin thanks her and says good luck to her. You know, and in Gideon asked Franklin, now that you've seen what you've seen, do we have a chance? And he says, I don't know, I really don't know. And he goes back into his little tube, where presumably he's just going to stand there for a while. And go standing your tube and think about what you did. Yeah, because yeah, they're going to send him back on the tube. But it is just kind of weird that they put him in the tube and he's just he's there for a little bit because there's another quick scene here, where Lockley and Gideon sort of connect and he sort of offers to buy her a drink and take her back to Babylon 5. And she asks what's in the tube. And Gideon says he can't tell her maybe another time and she sort of stares at it in this sort of this moment of, oh, what could have been where two characters from Babylon 5 just seem to just miss each other. Yeah, as a slow push in on this to on this freaking metal wardrobe that Franklin's just standing in. Yeah, that was what's weird to me because it's like Lockley staring at it and like it's poetic moment of like, Oh, Franklin's just right there and she just can't see him. But I'm just thinking of like Franklin where he's just like awkwardly standing in the tube by himself I was like, all right, anyone going to send me on to space? Am I just going to stand here? You know, it was just a weird bit. You know, it's it's not comfy in here. I don't have enough room to sit down. Yeah, my legs get tired. Yeah. Hello. And that was exactly my vibe. Like, it's a it's a cute little poetic moment because I was kind of weird to be out that like we have Lockley and Franklin episode and they didn't meet. And I actually kind of appreciate the restraint on being like, Hey, Lockley's here to have a story. Franklin's here to have a story. But we don't need to do the whole like, Hey, we're remember the good times moment. I actually I actually I actually do appreciate the restraint on not doing that and having that little moment there at the end was at least enough to acknowledge it. It just was done in a slightly awkward way considering just how Franklin's just sort of in there. So yeah, anyways, we sort of a time jump after the little commercial break and Franklin gives from back on earth gives Sarah a call and he sort of gives us some information. You know, it is a nano tech virus. And he doesn't it's nothing they can really use as a curages yet, but they've been the now know why it works so well. But one thing he noted is that the virus that they found the nano vice that they found on the other planet earlier on this season was controlled by a central computer. And that's how it was able to sort of do all the things that it was doing and why they can't really fully utilize it right now because they don't have that kind of technology. They can just sort of do it for a limited time. And Franklin notes, well, this virus must be more sophisticated in that because they never landed a computer on earth that we know of. So this thing must be a hive mind. And it's sort of testing us like it's testing it. We're testing it. It's it's kind of funny because what they're what they're ultimately describing is something that they didn't have the term for yet, which is that the virus is thinking through the cloud. Yeah, essentially. Yeah. So and like it's now that we have more of a basis to understand like what that means the idea that all these tiny individual machines have the have this collective calculating brain force, guided in just between them guiding their actions like that's actually fucking terrifying. Exactly. It reminds me of those things of like how we don't really know how machine learning works. Like the ones that teach themselves, they just sort of like we start to teach the programming and then it starts doing its own thing. And we really have no idea how how it works doesn't mean it's actually intelligent want to be very clear that's different from actual human intelligence. But it is kind of weird that we just do not know how that shit works. But then we also get a final little button scene where Gideon returns likely to Babylon five and she says, well, you're welcome to stop by next time we're in the neighborhood. And Gideon has a a smile on his face that Daniel, they Kim sort of points out, he says, you're smiling. He's like, it's gas. All right. What are you? What are you going to believe me or my face? But he does sort of end on like, well, maybe we'll come back here on our next leave. It's the the doctor's orders. And I just started to go, hi, Gideon, and luckily, gonna get the sex times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is the end of the episode. So what did you think overall? I'm pretty good, actually. Yeah, another string of really good one. Yeah, a couple, a couple of hiccups here and there, but for the most part, yeah, no, that was, that was solid. Yeah. And I think like, I think Lockley is a bit extraneous in this episode, but she's not overly distracting. And I kind of, I do enjoy her presence. Yeah, Franklin's used really well, sorry. Franklin is well used. I think Lockley, Lockley did not need to be here, but she also like, it's not like they put too much time or energy into her where it starts to be like, okay, this is actually distracting. Yeah, no, she's she's an extra pair of hands in a crisis. It works well enough. Yeah, and again, it's, it's one of those weird things where it's like, you know, I don't think she needed to be here, but I do appreciate that. I already said this earlier, but like the fact that she is here is not utilized to have this sort of like Babylon five reunion moment, like they're both here, both Franklin and her are here as their own characters doing their own things within the context of this story, rather than it being like a nostalgic, because I'm just, I'm used to today, you know, if we had this episode released today, it would be a big like, hey, look, it's, look, remember when we did the, it'd be like this whole nostalgia moment, and I appreciate that this, this story did not do that. Yeah. So, yeah. And yeah, it's, it's finally the acknowledgement that Lockley has been in the opening credits of the show. Which is real weird. Yeah, she, I will say she does pop up, I think at least one more time. She might pop up more than that, but she does pop up at least one more time in this show. And I think the intention was that she was going to be a more recurring presence if the show had continued, but, but yeah, definitely we're going to get a ton of time with her to justify her being in the opening credits. Yeah, that's still a, that's a weird choice. Yeah, like at best, that becomes a massive spoiler for like the second half of the damn season. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it is very, very weird. But yeah, she's a welcome presence and I don't hate her. I, I, I really like Franklin stuff here and I like the sort of existential dread that like comes with like, we learn a little bit more about the virus, but it's still really awful. And just sort of the stakes of what's going on on Earth and the human storytelling of it too was, was pretty decent moment to moment. The Williams was interesting. Like, yeah, again, it didn't, this wasn't like stellar, but it was, it was a solid, uh, like solid bringing some old characters in Babylon five episode and also progress the over all story a little bit. Yeah. So yeah, solid enough. Uh, anything else? Uh, no, I don't think so. All right. Uh, the only other thing I'll say too, this was actually the last in, in the original version of how this aired, I believe this was the final episode that aired. Um, oh, okay. So this is actually the last one that I saw because on the DVDs that I watched when I was a kid, uh, this was the, this was also, this is the last episode. Um, so yeah, this was, this was the last one, but we're obviously watching it in a different order. Um, geez. Yeah. Anyways, uh, with all that said, stuff time here. Stuff. 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