0:00 Kevin O’Connell on Kirk Cousins
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26:53 Todd Monken on head coaching opportunities
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"Aaron Rodgers: Enigma" documentary + Week 14 Power Rankings (Hour 2)
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He just, the one thing he knows, his responsibility playing quarterback at the high level that he has for so many years in the NFL, he knows that turning the football over is normally the fastest path to losing games and we experienced it together last year with the fun bowls and early on in the season with some of the turnovers and we weren't able to overcome that no matter how well we played outside of those turnovers. So I think you're going to see Kurt get back to what he's always been, he's going to throw a ton of completions, he's going to be really accurate, he's going to run the show and get them into the best possible plays that he can and try to stack as many of those plays against Brian Flores and our defense as he can, knowing that at any point in time our defense has the ability to strike and force a negative play that changes the whole momentum of a drive, of a quarter of a game. Kevin O'Connell talking about the return of a Kirke Cousins. Kirke Cousins is going back to Minnesota. Oh man. Last time we saw him at U.S. Bank Stadium, he was blowing the galler horn shirtless before what ultimately was I think a bad Sunday night loss to the Packers, I believe. So he's coming back, he won't be blowing the horn this time, he's playing for the Falcons. I hope he gets a good reception. The problem is if there's equal boos and cheers, you hear the boos over the cheers. There's no reason to boo him folks. Let's be clear on that and you bet you Minnesota nice needs to kick in here, but the reality is the Vikings didn't want to make a commitment to him beyond this year financially. The Falcons did. It's that simple. So that's the, that's why he left. He wanted the Vikings to make more of a commitment than one year. The Falcons did. Now the Falcons also turned around and drafted his replacement, which is something that we don't think he expected to happen, but they did make the kind of financial commitment that the Vikings wouldn't. So he did what he had to do. The Vikings let him become a free agent and he found a better deal. That's how it works. Yeah. No, the Minnesota fans shouldn't be mad at Kirke Cousins. I hope they're not. He should get a warm reception. There was a lot of good times high level play there. I know it wasn't perfect. I mean, yeah, he didn't win a Super Bowl and I know that's how you're ultimately judged, but yeah, I shouldn't. One playoff game. Yeah, it's not easy and you're right. You could, you could certainly say, say some of that stuff and of course he got stuck there with the Mike Zimmer and all of that and it was kind of getting dysfunctional and all that. So that kind of all fell apart. He didn't get stuck with Mike Zimmer. He took the money when Mike Zimmer was the coach. He had a chance to sit down and hang out with Mike Zimmer and get a taste for what Mike Zimmer is all about. Yeah. Mike Zimmer isn't one to be any different when you meet him the first time than he would be when you deal with him the hundredth time. Yeah, I know. Well, sometimes you went into that eyes wide open. Well, you think you signed with the team. You think a coach is tough and all that and he'll learn to respect you and like you and do what you do for your, you know, your football team and that never seemed to happen. And either, you know, you tough or whatever else like, you know, there was something wrong there that wasn't, you know, handled the right way. The attitudes weren't the right way. Either way. It's going to be awesome this weekend. I mean, this game, right, cousins back to Minnesota. That's a big hot button topic, let alone the importance of the game to both football teams. That's what it's amazing. I mean, Atlanta up against the ropes wobbly right now, not looking like a very good team. He's played like crap for the last two weeks in a row. I know it was, you know, they had the bye week three in a row, basically your games. They got blown out by the Broncos before they, right, that was before the, uh, bye week. Yeah. Right. They've lost three in a row. He's got zero touchdown passes and six interceptions, three straight games without a touchdown for the first time in his entire career. Right. So that's all going on with him, them, the struggles of the Atlanta Falcons coupled with now Minnesota, who's in the fight and only a game back in the NFC North and has all that chance again to position themselves. Maybe don't win the division with some of these banged up people on the Detroit Lions. It's all there. So this is going to be a big football game. And I do think there's aspects of what Kirk cousins and them do that match up well with this Vikings defense. So I expect him, like Kevin O'Connell said, to be totally on his A game here. And I don't think we'll see the same Kirk cousins to be saw last week because I watched that film yesterday, Mike, and it was horrible. It was as bad as I've seen Kirk cousins look in a long time. Well, during the game in the viewing room, I heard people saying he looks old. He looks different. He looks injured. He looks this. He looks like the first game out of the by it's he had a two week break. This is when you're supposed to be hitting your stride, not, you know, falling apart. Right. Well, and you know, listen, it's okay maybe to be a little like, you know, not on your A game and all that, but don't let that be followed up by decisions that a rookie quarterback wouldn't make. That's what I think was the more alarming thing was he just made, he made three or four decisions in the football game that you're just like, what? I mean, you know, we didn't see Jane and Jane, Jane Daniels or Caleb Williams make some of these throws this year. I mean, nothing close to that. Let alone what I was one of those people in the viewing room that says he looks old, the ball's fluttering in the air. He had his without me getting to in the weeds with that is mechanics are messed up. He's got throws, Mike, where like just to be plain and simple, he's like bent over like he's a pitcher, like at the waist. But no quarterback throws like that. You watch it, Joe Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, they're up here and it goes around. So he's got some stuff to work on here in a big game going back to Minnesota. That's for sure. And so the question becomes the spirit is willing is the flesh weak. Is there anything he can do about it? If there's something physical going on that we don't know about, it doesn't matter how big of a game it is. If you just can't bring it, I guess that's the fair question. Is something going on here that is keeping him from bringing it? I don't, I don't think so. I think he gave me gotten just some bad habits, mechanically a little bit there. I think he got the riz in that energy, playing New Orleans, right? And so they had to deal with that. New Orleans as we've seen, just like last week, they gave Matt Stafford and Pooka Nakuu and Cooper Cup a hard time. They've been playing good D. He had to play the Denver Broncos, which is a very good defense. I know it didn't look like that the other night against the Cleveland Browns, right? But it is a very good defense. They struggled there and I think on top of that, Mike, the other thing is they don't make big plays. Go back. Look at the Falcons. Every drive the whole year is 10 plays, 11 plays, 10 plays, 11 plays. They have nobody that could take the pressure off the offense. That's the other aspect. Bijon Robinson is really good, but he's, he's a bunch of eight and 10 yard runs. He's not Jameer Gibbs who can go 70 yards to the house at any moment. Jameer Gibbs is proving and Detroit with that, all that crap they took is to be the better more dangerous weapon at running back. So they don't have that. They have Drake London, who's not a big play guy, you know, of course, Pitts is there, but he's not a 70 yard to the house type of guy. The only guy they have there is Mooney and they don't feature him in the offense like that. So you couple all those issues then with a quarterback who's not on his game and doesn't have a rocket launcher armed to begin with. Yeah, offense has become a little harder than it should be there in Atlanta lately. And like you said, a critical week 14 game for both the Falcons who were tied with the Bucks at the top of the NFC South and the Vikings who are in striking distance for the one scene. Right. They're 10 and two. And maybe we overlook them because he's like, oh, hello, they 10 and two. Yeah. How are they 10 and two? They're not the Eagles. They're not the Lions, but they're still 10 and two with five weeks left. Well, let's take a break, the week 14 power rankings unveiled here on PFT yesterday. But if you only watched the show and you don't read the website, first of all, how dare you second of all, you'll see the power rankings next on PFT live presented by example, power rankings presented by our friends at Toyota for the 14th week of the 20 24 regular season. The Lions are still number one, Chris, you've influenced me though. The chief should have lost. What's on Antonio Pierce, who fought management to take away the game when you feel golf? Yeah. Yeah. So the Eagles get bumped in number three. Yeah. The Eagles are now number three. Well, I like it. I like that you did it. I mean, I think, you know, your top three teams, I think are clearly better than the Kansas City Chiefs right now. And I think, you know, again, Kansas City's hard because they have this aura and they're the champions and they do it and they overcome all these type of things. But I think, you know, realistically, when you look at it, you go away, they're not playing to the caliber of the teams you have above them. They're not. I probably would have the Eagles too, if not one. And then the bills third, right? I've been one to state that I think the Eagles and the Lions are kind of in a tier by themselves with the cheat with the bills just nipping at their heels. And then the rest of the pack after that, that's the kind of way I feel. But I do agree with your top three. I just would have it a little bit of different order. It's hard for me to take a team out of the top spot unless they've done something to squander it. The Lions have earned it and they may squander it Thursday night when the Packers come to town. Those defensive injuries could become a very real issue against Green Bay. We've got Green Bay at number six. The only reason I have them behind the Vikings is because the Vikings did beat them and the Vikings have a one game lead in the standings. I don't hold out a whole lot of hope that the Vikings win the rematch when they get together later this season because I think right now the Packers are firing and also in the last three games this year to a team to to a group of teams with combined five losses. Yeah, the three of your top five teams on your power ranking here, right? Yes. So that just that speaks to it. You're right about that. Hey, it's nitpick in there. I mean, again, I hear you. I think I'd probably I understand your logic. I think the Packers are probably a little better in my eyes than the Vikings right now. But that's a close one and the Steelers in that conversation right there that had to be hard to kind of figure that out because the Steelers almost like the Packers. We know that defenses got talent. They can cause turnovers all that the quarterback and the offense were the question and we don't have that question with the Steelers right now and Jordan Love played good last week. So will that continue? That's kind of been the thing that's hold held those two teams back is just like, hey, quarterback play offense hasn't hit on all cylinders that way. Will it do that now? And if it does, those teams are going to be forces to be reckoned with last Wednesday, Michael, Holly and I tried to identify the true contenders. I feel like the list is shrinking. It did really do. Now I'm never going to count out the Chiefs because until you kill the dragon, the dragon can still come to town and, you know, burn everything down. And I'm never going to bet against Patrick Mahomes. But I agree with you. It feels like there's three that stand out and then another cut that maybe goes as deep as nine because I'm not going to put the Broncos on the list of team that can't win in the playoffs because I think they can. Yeah, I hear you there, but, but it's so that the top three, the next six and then kind of everybody else. So the Chargers, I have the Chargers a little low. Maybe the Chargers should be higher because I think the Chargers could be a serious contender in the postseason as well. I don't love their offense. Yeah, right. That's a problem. But, but I love their total vibe and I like their ability to compete with pretty much any one. That's right. They know how to play. They're going to, they know the style of game and the way they want the game to go when they're tough to beat that way, especially with their defense and we saw what they did last week. They're efficient at offense. They can control the ball. I'm with you there. I mean, listen, there's some teams on the right side there that I certainly think can win a playoff game, but I don't know if I think anything more than that. Your guys, your, your one through eight on the left, I mean, those are all teams that I look at that are, yeah, not only can win a playoff game, can win multiple playoff games. And I think are the quality of type of teams that could go to the Super Bowl. And I think the Vikings out of that team, out of all those teams on the left would be the one that I would question the most of whether they can go to the Super Bowl. That would be my one thing. Okay. You yell at me when I act like that, I'm glad that you're on board. You're not supposed to. You're supposed to be die hard and oblivious to real life factors and you're supposed to say they're going to win the Super Bowl no matter what. It is amazing though. The fans get mad when we point out the things that if you're a fan of the team, you worry about and the Vikings are good enough to win these games in the regular season. We saw it two years ago. Another defense was Kaka two years ago and they won all those close games and they got to the playoffs and lost to the Giants. Their defense is much better, but they just don't seem to be at the same level as the best teams in the NFL as of right now, and maybe injuries will be the great equalizer. Maybe that's the thing that's going to be the Achilles heel for the Detroit Lions. We'll see of the teams on the second column of the front page. Yeah. Is there one that you see getting hot and maybe disrupting? Because when you look at the top eight teams, chances are they're going to be the final way when the division around weekend rolls around. Is there a team from nine through through, let's take it all the way to 16. Is there a team from that column that you think could be a disruptor all the way to the conference championship game? You said the Chargers. I don't know, you know, conference championship game, them winning two games. I think it'd have to fall right with the match ups a little bit. The three that I jump out to me on the right column here, the Broncos pain in the butt. And you see their offense is getting better, Nick's is becoming explosive at quarterback with some of the things he's doing. And again, the defense is good. Now, Jamis Winston and company, they made some unreal throws last night. So the Broncos, the Chargers, and the other one I'll throw in there is the team on the way bottom of the right is the Rams, the Rams. Those are teams I could see winning, you know, certainly a game in the playoffs to if the schedule or it falls right as far as a matchup. But I think they could be ones that could surprise people a little bit that we wouldn't expect to be there so far down the line. I've said at a time or two over the past few weeks, the Rams are the one team. The Lions should not want to see rolling in to Ford Field for the division around because Matthew Stafford. You don't want to give him a third chance to do what he almost did last year in the playoffs. What he almost did week one on Sunday night football. You don't want to give him another chance to do that because this time he just might. All right, let's take a break. 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September 9th, I found the article with the news that Skydance Sports, which is extremely legit NFL films, obviously an incredible track record of documenting things in the NFL. Religion of Sports is involved. This isn't just Aaron Rodgers' home movie. This is real production company, because I wonder how real it's going to be. Always worry that a documentary is more like an infomercial. When you give the subject of the documentary a certain amount of voice over what's going to be presented, it's that way, and it's better than nothing. It's always nice to get a true picture of the subject, not what the subject wants us to see. That's what I always look at with these. How real is it and how much of the two sides do we get? Based on the trailer, it sounds like maybe there will be a little pepper to go along with the salt. Yeah. Of the whole boy. I mean, certainly interesting. There's no doubt about that with Aaron Rodgers. You can't argue that. There's a lot to talk about. There's a lot to dig into, whether it's personally or professionally. As you've heard me say, in his prime, I don't know if there was a more gifted quarterback in the history of football. As you've heard me say, all your favorite quarterbacks of today, their favorite quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers. It doesn't matter who I talk to. Oh, Aaron Rodgers when I was growing up. Oh, Aaron Rodgers when I was growing up. He is that kind of guy. Yeah. You do wonder how good he could have been if they support him with a little more talent there. The opposite end of that where, yeah, we're getting here to the last few years where he's become hot button topic, conspiracy theories, certainly has been very outspoken. The issues with the Packers, right? The issues with personal life and dating and all of that to where, yeah, it is either hot or cold when it comes to Aaron Rodgers and you talk to certain people about him. He gradually got closer and closer and closer to this polarizing figure and I don't know how polarizing he is because there are certain figures out there that there's an intense and significant percentage of the public that loves the person and there's an equal balance of people who hate the person with Aaron Rodgers. It's really not polarizing because there aren't a lot of Aaron Rodgers die hard fans out there. It's definitely died out last few years. There isn't a cluster of folks who feel as strongly positive about Aaron Rodgers as there are folks who feel strongly negative and that's what happens when you take a heel turn and I don't know whether he did it deliberately or he just decided I'm at the NFG stage of my life where I'm just going to be who I am. I'm sick and tired of trying to suppress how I feel about things. I'm just going to be authentic and real and that's great. That's great. Authentic and real is great but sometimes authentic and real pisses people off and I can relate to that to a certain extent. So, you know, I've said before, I think I've got some similarities with Aaron Rodgers, whatever ever chance to have a beer and a cigar. Yeah. A nigga or a part two. Right. But at the same time, but at the same time, yeah, there's some there's some kooky stuff there. There's with me and him. Well, yeah. I don't know. That's where you're part ways. You're both kooky. Yeah, definitely. No doubt about that. But, but I mean, I hear what you're saying and I think a part of what you're saying is partly due to him and his actions and things he said and how he's handled himself. When he lost the Tom Brady in the NSC Championship during COVID, he had the whole country on his side. Everybody was like, man, Aaron Rodgers is the greatest quarterback to ever win one Super Bowl ever. He should have won more. They've screwed him over. Oh, I can't believe Tom Brady, who basically pissed down his leg at the end of the game, got to go to the Super Bowl through three interceptions, three drives in a row, got to go to the Super Bowl. So yeah, everybody felt for them, but then became, you know, immunized and all that started to come out and then he started to fight that and then more stuff with Green Bay and back and forth there and all that crap, and it just seemed a funnel out of control. And to the point where, yeah, he might have said, Ed F G right and said the hell with it, but it didn't do many favors with, I think people who liked him or on the fence with him a little bit, they've all gotten off and gone, Oh my gosh, I'm so sick of them. I don't want to hear from him ever again. And some of the other stuff to it. I got the impression from the full trailer that it will delve into it that he's had family relationships damaged because of his beliefs or whatever. One of the things I picked up from, you know, Connor's book that came out back in August right before the season started, I mean, there is this vibe around him that if you say the wrong thing, you do the wrong thing, he just shuts you out, including immediate family members. And maybe there's a hell of a story to tell. And he deserves credit for keeping his mouth shut about what it is that caused him to basically exile, close friends and immediate family members from his life. But man, there's a lot of people who have been put on what's called the island in Leonardo Connor's book. And at some point, it's you who is the problem. I probably said this before and I apologize in advance to the folks in London and Liverpool and wherever. But if you ran into an asshole this morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day long, you are the asshole. It's a good one. I like that. And you look at, you look at this, just all these people who are shunned by him. There's no redemption. There's no attempted reconciliation. He's just done. That to me is sad. Whatever's motivated that it's because we all I think are entitled to seek a path to repairing relationships. You haven't lived if you don't have some broken relationships. We all have the right or at least we should have the ability to try to repair those. And I feel like he just slams the door on people for good. And that's just no way to live because eventually you know what's going to happen. You're going to slam the door on everyone. You're going to be the only one left. Yeah. No, I hear you. I hear you. And it's going to be interesting. I mean, Aaron Rodgers, what's going to happen to him the rest of this year, next year? Is he going to play all of that? I mean, it's still one of the more intriguing stories in football, even though I just like a lot of people, I'm a little exhausted about talking about them so much. But the fact of the matter is he's one of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever seen. There's no denying that. And like you've heard me say, talent wise, I don't know if anybody's better than him, talent wise. He runs for five. He can dunk a basketball. He was an unbelievable scrambler. It's the strongest arm I ever saw in my life until maybe Josh Allen came around. It's the quickest release I've ever seen in my life still to this day. He was amazing, but yeah, he's fallen out of public favor here as of late. And then of course, the play isn't matching what we know of him either. And that's where it's going to be interesting going forward. Yeah. And the wheels have come off for the New York Jets now and they are three and nine. Here's Rodgers from yesterday's appearance on Pat McAfee's show on how he is approaching the remainder of this season. You know, I want to be out there with my guys in battle, as long as I feel healthy, body feels as good as it felt, whether fortunately or unfortunately for the situation. Body feels great. I want to be out there. I want to be out there with the guys. I want to battle. I would have applied in playing. You know, one of my goals this year, coming back from the Achilles was to play all 17 games. I assume that would be 17 plus whatever playoff games we played in, obviously that hasn't been the case this year. You know, but we started out five games left and we'd love to be out there battling with the guys. Kind of conceding there's no way they're going to make it, which just shows he does have some grasp of reality because nine losses is not getting you in in the AFC, not mathematically eliminated. But as a practical matter, they're not going to play beyond week 18. We talked about this during the break. At some point, he needs to, I think, have some concern that you're going to get an injury in one of these late games that's going to basically answer the question for you as to whether or not you're going to play next year because if you're damaged, good's coming out of this season, if you've got a serious injury to rehab, why bother? Especially if the phone line isn't burning up with teams trying to sign Aaron Rock. Yeah, no. I hear you there. It's another one. It's interesting, you know, altogether, but at the same time too, right? I mean, it feels like, okay, the reputation of Aaron Rodgers is not all that great out there throughout the NFL. I mean, Bill Belichick, we know he likes him, but other than that, and if he kind of gets portrayed or it looks like he quit on the team after he's been state of the union every week and talking about team and all the things you got to do to it, I don't know if that's going to be a good look for him either. So I want to hear even though it's not going to be tough, I think you play, you play if you really want to play next year, you play, you show you're a good, you know, a good sportsman that way. You're a good leader. It doesn't always have to be all roses for you to still go out there and play and lead a football team and be one of the guys and do all that. I think ultimately he's got to do that if he wants to stay in favor of a few coaches in the NFL and play next year if he does want to play and enjoy the fact that these are the last five games you're ever going to play in your entire career quite possibly in the event that it doesn't work out and that's right planets don't line up. That's right. But watch Belichick, watch where Belichick goes if he goes to a team that needs a quarterback. He said some stuff earlier this week about Rogers that he thinks he can still play basically that it's injuries that have dragged him down this year. So keep an eye on Belichick and Rogers because that could be a short term fix as, you know, Belichick's goal is to just win games. So he's going to go grab the best quarterback he can find if he doesn't already have one because he just wants to win games and catch Don Shula. All right. We need to take a break. When we return, I'll look at the best catches from week 13. That's next on PFP live presented by Accenture. This is the time of year when people start to speculate about job openings and hustle names around all the roomer columns. I mean, your name is in some of those. How do you how do you deal with that? No, I don't deal with it. I don't deal with it because it's got nothing to do with the here and the now and nobody really knows any of this now. I don't control that. All I control is the job I have here. That's the most important thing is this winning here and scoring points because you don't worry about that. Then you don't have the job here and then the other stuff doesn't happen. So the idea is right now our players, how we get better this week, and again, playing winning football, that's what we're paid to do here. The rest of it takes care of itself. I mean, that's just the way it is and I, again, I don't control what's being said. One side or the other. I've been on both sides. You know, you're not very good or you're good or you're not, whatever, I don't, I really don't pay attention to it to the longest. Wise words from Todd Munken the Raven's Office of Coordinator and look, I was handed with my skepticism when he became the coordinator last year. It's like, this guy's not Bill Walsh. Look at his track record. Like, wise, everybody expecting there's going to be some revolution to the Raven's offense, but he's done a remarkable job. Last year, they were the ones see this year. The offense arguably better than defense is the issue more than anything with the Baltimore Raven. So he is doing a very fine job, whether or not that gets him head coaching interviews or a head coaching opportunity remains to be seen because there's always more guys who want those jobs than there are jobs available, even if eight are available. The supply of willing and qualified candidates far outweighs the demand. Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, if there's a list, he should be on the short list of like head coach and candidates. He's done a phenomenal job for two years here now. You're right. The offense is there's no question Lamar Jackson's looked as good as he's ever looked before. And their offense has everything. The only complaint you can make about Todd Munken is go, I wish he'd just run the ball a little bit more. That would be it. But man, he gets people open. He's creative. He does all that. And the guys I look at, the two guys in Detroit, right, Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, they're going to be guys, short list candidates, I think, for head coaching job. You know, other ones that impress me, Joe Brady of the Buffalo Bills, right? DeNard Wilson goes under the radar for what he's done with the Tennessee Titans, having one of the top defenses in football, Anthony Weaver and what he did with the Miami Dolphins, I think deserves a little love there, right? And then of course, Vic Fangio and what he's done with the Eagles after taking a lot of crap last year of what he did with the Dolphins, the Eagles are the number one defense in football. And I know he's not going to be a head coach, but he's done a damn good job as a coordinator this year. This goes back to something Darren Rizzi told me after he won his debut against the Atlanta Falcons. I got him on the phone for a while and we just had a lot of fun. I could have talked from four hours. But I asked him, why do you think special teams coordinators don't get more serious consideration for permanent head coaching jobs? You see them stumble into interim jobs, but don't get serious consideration. The Raiders should have hired Rich Bassachia when he took them to the playoffs and almost beat the Bengals in the John Gruden fired or forced resignation six weeks in fiasco of a season. And Bassachia did a fine job, but it doesn't happen. And he said Rizzi said, the owners and the general managers like to make a splash with the news conference. They like to win the press conference. They want to excite people with the higher and that's the lens. I think we always need to consider these names through. You could be doing an excellent job as a coordinator, but if you're not somebody that's going to get a fan base fired up, it's going to be harder to become a head coach and so much of that Chris. And it falls onto the media because we're the ones who put the sizzle to the names and it's specifically the people who handle the broadcast of the games. They have, I don't know, maybe they do have an idea of how much power they have over who doesn't, doesn't get hired because when you're the analyst working a big platform standalone game, or when you're the director and you keep taking shots on the sideline of Robert Salah, for example, yeah, you're creating sizzle. Right. That's going to make it easier to sell that individual and the more you see a guy, there was a time. Remember Steve Belichick? Every time you you put on a frickin Patriots game, there was Steve Belichick like it because it comes its own force and it carries a guy to a head coaching job. No, you're right. There's great power there, you know, yes, it's a certain guys get the backing of the media. And I think what you're saying is very real winning the press conference. A lot of the times in the era we're in right now as we want OC that had an awesome offense that oh, this quarterback was great under him and that's how everybody wants in football right now. Oh, they did that with the quarterback. Oh, that's awesome. We're glad we got them. But that's where we are. And that's where I think right now the offensive coordinator quarterback guru, it just gets the advantages over everybody in this conversation and then I get it at two other coordinators I want to give love to Liam Cohen down there in Tampa Bay injuries at receiver. Look what they've done. Right. Drew Petzing OC or the Arizona Cardinals, another one like not super talented offense, but a top 10 offense. He coaches it the right way. There's some damn good coaches out there. We shouldn't be shy of candidates this year to fill some of these voids. And I don't know, Mike, how many voids do we think we're going to have seven, eight possibly seven already? There's already three. Yeah. It's already three. Right. And here's the thing with any coordinator. It's a roll of the dice that the coordinator is going to become a good head coach or not. And you could say it's a 50 50 proposition is the only one way to find out if with the guy in the job and see what he can do, let's take a break. More PFT live presented by Accenture right now. There it is. He's back. He honors. Please. Oh, I will be glad to do it. Beerus mother, the battleground has called for my glorious return. I'm thrilled to say I shall heed that call. I have reenlisted while my sidearm is permanently hosted. I shall help train other young men to be great soldiers. Please send care packages of squirrel oil and skunk cakes to our base camp at Stanford. I love you. Andrew. Glad to have back good to have the guy back. Five years old, he could still be in his prime, especially the way the rules are in the NFL. He made the conscious decision. Seriously, five years ago to retire. That's his business. As I say for any player who decides he's done, it's hard enough when you want to be on the field. If you have any misgivings about it, don't play the game. He hasn't played the game. He's clearly never coming back. And it's this new age of college football where they need a general manager. General manager. Yeah. What the hell? Yeah. But hey, there's a lot of money to be divided. There's a lot of sources of money. There's a lot of different ways people are getting paid. And if you can bring in a guy who's part, executive part, ambassador helps with recruiting, helps with making more money, you're competing with the NIL now. That's why. Yeah. That's right. The money that used to go to you is going directly to the collectives and go directly at the Stanford's been a little bit more luck to go down the NIL thing. Yeah. Stanford's been one of the teams that's been a little bit more luck than to go there. That's why they need Andrew Luck there. I think to bridge that gap a little bit. The cabin is back. Fast forward. Fast forward. Fast forward. Go, go, go back. See you later. 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