We're back in on Canucks Central, it's Dan Riccho, Satyar Shah. We're in the Kintek Studio, lots to look at too. Some of the ones that are in Nashville for a couple of days. Apparently, outside of Bridgestone Arena, they've got a Canucks car. Oh yeah, they do this for the demolition. Smashful for a reason, Dan. Yeah, I know. But like, you know, they're using, what is some, some beat up old car? Yeah, you know. Like the old pizza delivery driver car. Every, every, everyone drives Teslas. Everybody delivering food now is either driving an electric car, mainly a Tesla or like, or a scooter. Yeah. I mean, like, I guess if your line of work is delivering, then you have some nice tax right off some benefits getting electric vehicle, I suppose, right? So you can, you know, afford a lot better. But yeah, there's, there's a lot of Teslas of delivering food nowadays. But like back in the day, you ordered a pizza from Domino's or something. You can guarantee that guy's probably driving like a 92 Tercel. Yeah, something like a small as car possible, like a beat up Volkswagen beetle or like a golf. Yeah. Like a golf golf. Yeah. An old Toyota Corolla is my dad would call it the cariola, which is just a wheel. Anyways, all right, it's a Wednesday. Let's get to overrated underrated. Underrated, perfectly rated, which one is it? It's a Wednesday here on Canucks Central, producer Josh Elliott-Wolf, the one armed Josh Elliott-Wolf. You know it. Hello. How you feeling? You know what? I'm feeling good. Do you know? Good days and bad days. Yeah. It's a mental grind. I'm not going to lie. It's fine. Uh, yup. Uh, all right. So overrated and underrated, perfectly rated. You give us the topics. Let's discuss. What do we have first? We will start with this one from Jabo Shot Attempts. Overrated or underrated? Is it a stat that really holds a lot of value? Generally, yes. I mean, we talk about, uh, Shot Attempts, Corsi, obviously, is, uh, what got the conversation started so many years ago to really begin the analytics discussion in hockey. But really, like, shots have always been, I think, a baseline statistic to be able to judge how the run of play is gone, how game flow has gone. But yeah, last night, I mean, 84 Shot Attempts tells you that the Canucks were doing some things well, but then you need context to decide how well they were doing them. Yeah. I think shots without context is overrated. Like, I think raw shot totals, if you point to it, can be overrated to me, quality matters more than shots in the context of the game last night against Nashville, where the Shot Attempts were, what, 80, 84, 20, or 36, whatever they were. That's a pretty big indicator of the Canucks were far the better or more dominant team in terms of possession and getting shots at least directed towards goal. Yes. I think it's fair to say it's overrated now, but there was a long time where, coursey or shot attempts, because we just didn't have a lot of other data, especially available publicly, where shot attempts on ice shot attempts were essentially at five on five, the best predictor for future success. That's no longer the case, right? So yeah, just going based solely off shot attempts would be overrated, yes. Next one from Woodrow, the Canucks winning this round without Thatcher Demko, overrated or underrated. Still underrated for me. Like, if anything, last night, okay, yes, maybe if you want to be extra basic about it, goalie gives up three goals on 15 shots, bad night for goalie. Sure. Yeah. But I mean, the context of the goals outside of the first one, in case you Phillip Forsberg going in on any goalie, like you're going to give Phillip Forsberg the better hand in pretty much all of those situations. And the third goal is a rebound. You're hoping that your player, you know, is able to either box out or clear the puck to the corner rather than put it in his own net. So, you know, there's, there's a lot that you could say about Casey to Smith last night. I don't think it's fair to say he's the reason and I don't think it's fair to put the series on him either. The Canucks are very much still the better team. So they can win this round without Thatcher Demko, underrated thought. Yeah, I mean, yeah, for sure. And I do think, I do think though, Casey to Smith, it's not so much the goals either. There are times he doesn't instill confidence with his movement in the crease and his rebound control. Yeah. He's a little bit chaotic. So I can understand why when you watch him, you don't feel confident necessarily. Well, Demko is just so efficient with his movements, right? So when you contrast Demko and Casey to Smith, they're very different goalies. Yeah. But it's also one's a great goal. He wants a backup. Yeah, I think it shows. You know what I mean? He's more of a backup type than a starter type. And those guys are going to have flaws in their game. That'll be interesting as the series goes on is what does Nashville start to hone in on that they can really find a weakness in Casey to Smith? Chef Swagger panicking when the series is tied one one, overrated or underrated? I mean, we all know it's overrated, but it's very normal for pretty much every single fan based on the planet. Yeah. It's nothing new. It's always happens. When you lose a game in the playoffs, people get squirmy. They get a bit scared about things like even when if the Canucks are up to nothing, they lost game three, be like, oh, now it's two one should have been up three nothing and you blew that chance. What if they win game? Any time you lose a game in the playoffs, you're going to be a concern. And as a fan who's you know, living and dying by every game, you're going to be scared when the team loses. Yeah. You see like your mortality flash before your very eyes like we can lose. You might lose this series. That's not a fun thought. It's the complete opposite after game one like, yeah, they're going 16 to know. Like, no, no, they're not. They're not. Ebsen flows happening in a series. Yeah. And there was a missed opportunity last night with how they, you know, overall played the game and the chance to go up to nothing. Absolutely. There was, right? But anytime you win the first game, if you don't win the second game or anytime you have a chance to go up two games on a team in the series, it's a missed opportunity. Yes. And you are going to miss opportunities over the course of a long playoff run. If you are lucky to go on a long playoff run, it all comes to your response. It all comes back to how you respond. You know, and that's why, you know, I'm not getting too high and too low in terms of my level of concern with the team, but it just kind of shows you these two games are Nashville. You know, the biggest thing here is you can't come away losing both. Yeah. The best thing to do, go in their wing game three, put yourself in the driver's seat again, and you're back in control. And just, just win the next three and then you don't even have to fly back to Nashville for game six. That sounds like the best option. That would be perfect. Uh, Polly, block shots and how they could be the deciding factor overrated or underrated. Oh, I, sometimes I do believe, uh, block shots can be overrated, um, because just in the whole like blue collar mentality that we love. Yeah. No, it's situational. To me, it's kind of like talking about the shots, situationally, if you have a big shop blocking can be huge. Yes. If you, if you lay out in your goalies out of position, you get the puck. That's massive. Yeah. You know, like shop blocks can help you. If you're blocking a lot of shots and not getting a lot of shots yourself, then it's somewhat overrated because you're under siege a lot and you have to block a lot of shots, right? The old, uh, why does Chris Tan have get hurt every year? It's because the Canucks steak, he's got a black, too many shots. Yeah. Um, same goes for, for Alex Edler all those years, but yeah, you know, it goes back to, to shot attempts. If you're withstanding a lot of shot attempts, generally, it means you're not controlling the run of play. You're having to block more shots. I also think sometimes you can, you can block a shot and, uh, take yourself out of position and that gives, you know, your opponent a chance to attack, uh, which cannot always be the best thing, um, but, you know, generally, if, if you're blocking shots and desperation the way the Nashville found ways to, then, then you're going to be just like, yeah, it's, it's not an underrated thing to, to give your, give your team a chance to defend well. Next one comes from casual creations, Quinn Hughes in the playoffs, overrated or underrated. Uh, can we use in the playoffs? What are we saying? He's overrated? He's been two games. Right? I thought he was good in game one. Um, I thought he had good moments in game two, but he also had moments in game two where he wasn't great. You know, somebody was contesting and being like, well, he, he, he, he, you keep talking about him falling down on the first goal side. He had a run. Well, it's like, sure, maybe hit a rut, but he also fell down a couple times and there's, uh, there was a lot of misconnects with his passing on the power play, especially. There was a few times, uh, on their breakouts or on their zone entries where he threw the puck blindly and went to nobody, they had to go back and get in and come back up. He turned the puck over a couple times and I can't believe I'm saying this. He has some moments where he over handled the puck. Yes. And Quinn, he was like never overhand. You can't over handle the puck if your Quinn's used. He had some moments where he was almost too, uh, intent on doing something himself. We over handled it slightly and then ends up not making a clean pass and a couple times where you, he, he, he's pretty good at, he's pretty adept at picking passes that aren't great. Like he picked grenades. He wasn't doing that as well. Last night is a couple of DDD passes from her own, which weren't perfectly on the tape, but they kind of exploded on a stick. His level is so high. He was still, like, still good, right? But I do kind of agree with the idea that we haven't seen the best of Quinn Hughes yet in these first two games, especially not last night. We haven't seen the best of Quinn Hughes yet. He did have the two assists in game one, but we just know Quinn Hughes can be better. Yeah. I mean, he gave him a couple moments where there was that time, was that shift or Riley stole the puck from him going behind the net and set up a great eight opportunity. So he's had some moments even in game one, but he can be better. So the only thing, like 19 playoff games for Quinn Hughes, if you include the bubble year and he's got 18 points in them. So as far as point producing and playoff games for his career, fine so far, definitely. But we can still see a better version of Quinn Hughes going forward in this series. Next one from Kishan, the Lotto line, overrated or underrated. I know it's a very small sample, but every time they're out there, you know, it's like offensive zone face off. They, they just don't seem to be able to do much. The power play is involved to all of those players for a long time now and it hasn't been going well. So it just feels like I think when we talk about the Lotto line, we are living very much in the past of what it was when it first was put together. Well, I think when it was first put together, as much as JT took a lot of face offs and there was some alternating between center duties, JT was often the F1. He was skating and forward checking like a demon a lot, getting in on pucks, getting possessions, cycling the puck around. When he's playing now, his center responsibilities are more, especially because he's viewed more as a center now too, and also how his game has developed since he got here to Vancouver as opposed to being more straight ahead in his first year and just kind of being content and playing off the guys as opposed to him being the major driver right and which we've seen his game really develop, I mean JT's really transformed since it came to Vancouver too. He was really good as first year, but really different in how he played as well and where he spent most of his time in the offensive zone. So I'm not sure JT's the same player. And if he's going to still be down the middle more now, I just don't think that chemistry is the same. I know people are still blinded by how well they played on that run through the East and they had that prolific run and how they didn't lose with a lot of line intact for those games and everything. But ever since, and we've seen them, it hasn't been great shakes and even the last couple of games before they split them up, they scored on the power play, a five on five, they weren't really generating it. Yeah. They had a moment last night, actually it wasn't the lot of line technically, but it was because it was a face off in the right dot of the predator zone. So they brought out Linholm to take the draw and he was with Patterson and Miller. Linholm takes the draw and I noticed Patterson off the draw, it's a clean win for Nashville and Patterson backs off as if he's F three and he's playing center and then it takes him a beat to realize like, Oh, no, I got, I got to be the one that pushes here because Linholm started to back up and it's just, it's affording Nashville so much time to get a breakout. So, you know, as much as yes, they're professional players and they should understand their duties on the ice when you're going from, Hey, I'm usually the F three, I'm used to playing this spot on the ice. You know, some time like that, those moments of hesitation are not great in a national hockey league game. And that's the end and when you're feeling fully comfortable, you're just going off instinct and reacting and playing and taking what you see and you're playing far more on the front foot. If you have to think of beat. Yeah. No, you're kind of behind the plane. And that's part of the issue here with Patterson is so you've got the Miller line which is performed fine. You've got the Linholm line with with Joshua and Garland now they've performed pretty well and Patterson's kind of now in this awkward spot. He's almost viewed at like, if you were to rate the lines, you would probably rate it the third line because the quality of his wingers aren't as good as the quality of wingers with Miller and Linholm. And what they've, what Rick Tockett has done is try to move Patterson around the lineup to get him into better spots and get him with better wingers. But is it always the best option? It would be a much more preferred option if you just had Patterson and a couple of wingers that you really trust with him. So you didn't have to move him around the lineup, play him at left wing sometimes do these different types of things. Yeah. Can I throw a quick, overrated, underrated in here? Yeah. Before you get to them, I'm just going to make a, make a decision. It just kind of fits in overrated, underrated. And then he feels Hoaglander in the playoffs. I haven't noticed them. I mean, he got bench in the second game first to play off. I'm fair. Fair, fair. But I'm saying we haven't talked about it a lot because it's been a lot of focus on Patterson. We spoke about he was a little bit right. He hasn't been at his best. Hoaglander is like invisible half the time. I thought in game one, at least he was, he was involved in the forecheck. He was a connecting play, but he was battling hard. We talked about his struggles getting on the forecheck connecting play. I didn't notice him do anything last night. No, he hasn't even been that guy that gets under the, I guess he got into it with Loz on a little bit last night. Yeah. By the net front. Yeah. But and it was just in the first period after that he was just like one thing I'm noticing because the thing about Hoaglander's game and you're right, he's still young, but this also goes back to like you need somebody up higher lineup and if a Hoaglander is going and playing at a high level, okay, now you have him in Patterson, they can go. Now it's just like, you know, somebody texted into and asked a question. Do you, do you really need to have Lindholm on his own line against Nashville? Do you maybe think about putting Lindholm with Patterson now? Like if Hoaglander doesn't get going, yeah, as much as Patterson needs to get going, but if Hoaglander is not going to get going and McKay has not scoring goals, who's he playing with? Yeah. And that's something that has to get better and I'm hopeful that Hoaglander does find his game, but through the first two games so far, he's a, he's a gritty player. He gets it on the forecheck. He's shifty. He's dynamic explosive at times. He's not super fast. Yeah. The pace has picked up. Are you noticing him getting on the four two? Are you noticing his pace? And he finds ways to be more effective because right now they, they really need him to get going to as much as we talk about Patterson heat right now. They have one line going with JT kind of a times and then the Lindholm line. And I'm not quite sure where Hoaglander is at right now. Hoaglander hard to say he's underrated with the way he's played in a playoff so far. So I'm going to, I'm going to give you this one. Next one from C power play one being stacked right now overrated or underrated. So I think the power play had some good moments. Yeah. The first power play was dreadful. Yes. The second one, they had three grade eight chances. Patterson should have scored on the power play at the end of the first period. Yep. They had their moments. I think after that, and there wasn't as many opportunities afterwards, but, you know, and Rick talk alluded to this as much last night, the missed chance at the end of the first period, maybe affected them moving forward. Yeah, and Patterson's got to get going like for the power play as much as anything else. Like, I think Miller had a bit of a tougher night with his, his puck handling, you know, there was some, some missed opportunities, you know, he had a couple of one timers where either a stick blew up or he just completely whiffed on it. You know, there was, he wasn't as clean as he was in, in game one. I don't think JT Miller was. So, you know, it's a little bit of blame to go around Besser that that shot he gets off from the bumper. Is it the shot you would expect out of a 40 goal score? I think he could have done better with it. All of these little things, it's again, it comes down to execution. But the power play, it's hard to have Garland there as part of that top unit. If Patterson isn't a threat either and at least he at least he was shooting the puck. Did it get any on that? He had nine shot attempts. Yeah. So at least he was shooting the puck, but it needs to be more of that from Patterson and even passed up a few shots he should have taken. Probably. Well, the one to Garland. What to Garland was just like, Oh man, have you ever been in a room where 20,000 people collectively grown? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I've been there before. Oh, this idiot. The power play. Look, it's, it's definitely not underrated right now. They had their moments though last night, right? Like a couple of weeks ago, we would have said like this power play is just dreadful. They can't even get an entry. Right. It's better. Last night they picked, they picked Nashville apart a little bit. They just couldn't, they couldn't finish. Yeah. You mentioned that it was kind of like Patterson. Yeah. It's like Patterson is close, but it's not quite there. Yeah. Power play is close, but it's not quite there. If one happens, the other ones should happen. Yes. Right. All right. Next. Next one from Vicki. Superstitions, overrated or underrated? Underrated, man. Whatever happened in game one, do more of that. Sad is a very superstitious guy, so I'm sure he's the opposite of that. To me, it's all overrated. Yeah. Yeah. To me, it's all overrated. If you were your favorite blue shirt on during game one, you didn't wear it for game two? Well, guess what you're doing for game three. You're going back to wearing your favorite blue shirt. I understand it from if you need something to make yourself feel better, do what you got to do. Is your way of coping through something, right? I think that's fine. I just think it's all overrated. There's nothing you can say or do, right, or routine you have to repeat. I think it's good to have routines. Yeah. I think that's good for discipline. It's good to have familiarity and stuff like that. Do I call that superstitious? No. I think it's more about routine than anything else. I just personally live my life mostly like Pedro Serrano in Major League. So anything to get the good vibes going, if I got to do some voodoo, get the real superstitions going, you know, burn some incense to get the vibes really going and try to find a way to make it work. And get a voodoo doll? Yeah. Really getting after it. I will end with this one from Dom, first dates, overrated or underrated. Oh, my goodness, so overrated. It's been so long. It's been a very long time for me now, too. But my general theory, especially now that you're with somebody and you're like, you know, whatever, you're not thinking about dating, the thought of like, if it ever costs you, you have friends, right? They're like, hey, you know, you're dating and stuff like that. And when I hear the stories, like the thought of like trying to meet somebody and then like getting to know them, the awkward phase, a little bit too. And nothing's more annoying than going on a date that's like not going where you want it to go. And it's like, oh, now you're kind of stuck here and you got to find an awkward way to end it and move forward or whatever it is. So to me, first dates can be fantastic if you have a good one, right? But that whole. It's my variance. It is. You know, like it's like Nikita Zadorhov. So my variance. Do you think do you think if you had 84 first dates, do you think 18 will be would 18 be good dates? Or do you think we'll be more? Because that's how many shots that connects had attempted and only 18 got on goal is do you think you think the ratio is the same on first dates and good first dates? Yeah, probably probably is like my my wife and I like when we go out for dinner, like a lot of times we'll like look around the restaurant and be like, you think they're on a first date? Look, look a little awkward, you know, but you can have a good first date, right? I just mean overall. I think the the vol if you go volume on them, I don't think a lot of them are great. I think maybe the younger gents probably have a better take on this than than we do. Yeah, Ben, do you have a take on this? First dates. I think you're a young man. I don't if you don't have 18 first good dates out of 84, you're the problem. Probably. How's a good take? How's a good take? And you are the problem. I had a I've had my two first dates. Yeah. One of them was very successful. Yeah. That's that's great. That's great. You know, I've I've gotten on to a new thing. This is very out of left field and I've I've identified a new healthy snack. Oh, you have high in protein low in calories and it's very Mediterranean of me. I'm so intrigued right now. Lupini beans, Lupini beans. Have you ever had Lupini beans? No. Oh, they're delicious and they're incredible. I have had Lupini beans. They're tasty. Yeah. And they are the perfect high protein low calorie snack. Very underrated. Yeah. Nobody talks about a high protein low calorie snack and ever mentions Lupini beats. The only reason I know this, I was at the store and I was like, man, I used to eat these when I was a kid and then I looked at the macros. I'm like, man, this is incredible. Yeah. How have I not enjoyed these before? Yeah. There's there's some dishes that I've had with Lupini beans. They're good. I just snack on them like chips. My friend and I thought about starting a business centered around Lupini beans and calling it a bean co beans. That was that was my fallback option. If radio didn't work out, it would have been like a snack flavored Lupini beans. That would be great. I'm telling you, man. Oh, that is really good. A couple of texts on texts on the dating stuff, silver and black can confirm dating in 2024 is ass. So that's his take on it. This one here says first dates are like sea lavs, low floor high ceiling. Yeah. I just and Tyler says, does that mean 84 attempts? You only score once it's a low percentage play. That's not what it's about. Yeah. It depends on what you're going out on first days for. If you want to meet somebody, it's about meeting somebody and getting to know them and hopefully having a lot of fun. And the thought of a first date right now is yes, like I don't think you can ever go into a first date being like, I'm going to marry this woman. No, definitely not. No, I have to go in being like, I'm going to get to know you see if we like each other and just go from there. Yes. Just vibes. Like I said, it depends on what you're going for. This is the person I'm going to spend the rest of my life with. That's what I did. It's a pretty lofty bar. This is why this is why this is like this is why Josh is a rationally confident, right? He's like, I can throw a touchdown pass in the NFL. If you go into a first date, like if you go into a first date like that, you're you're just as likely to be asking that person. So how many kids you want? Yeah. Like who does that on a first date? Could you imagine? Yeah. All right. All right, Dan, Rachel, Satyar Shah, you're listening to Knock Central.
