(crowd cheering) - This is the Knuck Central Post Game Show. - Madison turns it over at his own line, sucker into the slop, oviliations left, circle stop, and it's Smith, we got the score! Colton Sizzin's middle of the ice, driving the net. Jams, it passed, Casey to Smith. Bad puck management of the defensive, blue line, and it's in the back of their goal. Predators line is tired, Canucks have them hemmed in. He is goal, left wing. Zidorov shoots, he scores! (crowd cheering) (upbeat music) - Nikita Zidorov off the bench. Rips it, pass, Ushi Sorrows, and the Canucks are on the board! It's three to one. - With instant reaction from the players and coaches. - Use and Pederson on the ice at six on five, but the Predators clear it down, here's Kiefer Sherwood right wing, but the chance of the empty net, he scores! Kiefer Sherwood fires it into the open goal. And the Predators go up four to one with under two minutes left in the third, they're gonna tie the series at a game of peace. Have your say on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. (upbeat music) - Canucks lose four one. The series is tied at one game of peace, and this is Canucks Central. Post-game show presented by the number five orange. Get your thoughts into a Dunbar Lumber Textend box, 650-650. You can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650, or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. It's Satyar Shah with Brett Festerly, Pikna Tsar will join us soon, and Randy Genda is here as well. And it's one of those games where the Canucks, they had opportunities, but they couldn't get enough shots on goal, and the ones that did get on goal, they could not get past UC Sorrows. And it's also one of the games where a few too many key mistakes lead to goals against, and overall, just not good enough from the Vancouver Canucks tonight. - No, not at all. And you know, you get those looks, you get the territorial possession, that's exactly what you want, guys, but shot attempts, 31 missed shots, 18 shots on goal, and 32 block shots for the Nashville Predators. That tells you a couple of things. One, I think there's a lot of pausing out there, a lot of taking that half second, that extra second, maybe not the most confident play when you're getting pucks off the stick, and that will cost you. Especially with a veteran team like Nashville, where Ryan McDonough carry a Luke Shen, they're not afraid of jumping in front of it, and credit to Nashville, they got their sticks in the lane too, but you gotta be a little bit more aggressive when you get that opportunity, and there's a lot of delaying out there to get pucks through. - Yeah, thinking, right? That's what I'd say. - Yeah, they were thinking. - They were thinking, but exactly. And if you looked at the yellow, there was times you'd get Hughes or Haronek right at the top, and you'd see four yellow jerseys right in line with him. That's what created that seam thing that connects for trying all night to detect these seams, and they just ended up on the outside, Nashville collapsed, and it was so hard for them to get pucks through. - So is that an element of Nashville not chasing that? Because I was curious about that too, they tried it all evening. Those seam passes, and multiple times, they got dual seam passes, which we know, talk about the slot line passes, Royal Road, whatever you wanna call it, you get two of them, your chances of scoring go up, 60 some odd percent. But Nashville never seemed to want to venture out to try to chase these plays, but you have the collection had success getting those passes through, but everything just got blocked ultimately. - Yeah, those demons, like Randy was mentioning, they're great at fronting. If the fours line up in the middle, they'll take that, Soros would make some very acrobatics stops, and he came up huge when he needed to, but yeah, that's their position. They wanna cut the ice in half. It's exactly what they're trying to do. There is a gap there, and obviously they watched that video. They must have. I can't imagine they tried that many seam passes without it, but it seemed like they just got way too focused on it and forgot to just get opportunities to the net. - Yeah, and you know, Soros, he made some big saves late guys, but it wasn't the most confident play from him either. The pucks were sitting there when you got him through, but 18 shots on goal, and you combine that with the last game where they had 21, one of them went in the net when Soros wasn't there. So when Soros has been in the net, 38 shots on goal through two games, you gotta get more through, and credit to Nashville guys, but I think Vancouver, just the way you could see them think tonight, you have that half a second, especially on the power play, where they're passing up the better option sometimes. Either the shot was the better option, or, you know, they were trying to shoot them, force it to your guys' point. - It just felt like that overthinking really cost them key moments, especially in the first period. - Guys, they had 18 shots on goal, they had 84 shot attempts, 84, 21% of their shot attempts made it on goal. That's it, 21% of their shot attempts. It's absurd how low rate that is, and you have to give obviously Nashville credit, they collapse, they block shots, for sure. But Brett, how many times did you turn to us while we're watching the game during intermission? They're just too late getting a shot off, hesitating too long, and I can't count how many times, they actually bypassed a good shot, or at least a better shot for a worse shot. I don't understand sometimes, whether it's Roanoke or Pedersen, they went from take either having a shot straight on, or passing it down to the goal line. Like you're passing up a better shot for a worse shot, like I just don't understand the reluctance to shoot, and when you're shooting, just way too long before getting that shot off initially. - Yeah, exactly, they're just, I don't understand why they're going, I was telling Bick, it looked like a modern NBA game, where you tacked the middle, and then it would go out low, out to the outside, and it was just, exactly, you were going from a somewhat dangerous area, maybe the top of the circles or the dots, and you were getting it down low to the goal line, or the far wall, and then it wasn't clean, or executed properly on top of that, so it just took the whole momentum out of it. - Multiple players were doing it, but when Elise Pedersen does it, we notice it more, because he's got that all world shot when he's going, but there's two moments that you go back in this game, there's one, he's got a shot, and rather than going for it, it's an aerial pass towards Connor Garlin, you're saying that's a low percentage play, and you're passing up the high percentage play, at least play for the rebound there, maybe it goes off a skate, maybe it goes to Connor Garlin indirectly, and there was another one, guys, in the second period, where he's got a shot, and he passes to McKayev, near the goal line, and McKayev can't handle it, goes around the net, I want Elise Pedersen choosing that every single time, and that speaks to where his confidence is at. - Or where it's not. - Yeah, right, I mean, he's bypassing shots, and then he had a wide open net, he misses on it, but honestly, it's one thing tonight, right? We can talk about some of those, you missed chances, you're gripping your stick a little bit, what's inexcusable is a couple breakdowns that happen, right? Now, the first goal happens, and let's say it's a nice tip, sure, from a point shot from Forresburg, but as Pedersen gains pavilion not winning the 50/50, and then pavilion beats him to the middle of the ice, he tips the puck in, so Pedersen there not a great play, and then the third goal, Pedersen turns it over at the blue line, and it gets beat to the net as well, by scissors, and that's two goals. So, to me, sure, you're missing chances, sure, you're not getting shots, but those are the types of mistakes you just can't have, and they end up at the back of your net. - I just wonder how much of it is a self-fulfilling prophecy when you start missing this much, I'm just looking at it right now. Better center nine shot attempts tonight. How many shots in a goal do you think you had? - Zero? - Zero. And you start seeing that and every single guy has this, so at the course of this evening, just looking at who shots got blocked, Quinn Hughes, six shots were blocked this evening. Sam Lafferty, sorry, Phillip Roanick had four of them, and just like, these are alarming amount of numbers for a lot of their star level players getting their shots blocked, and I just felt like, usually we talk about turnovers being contagious, shots getting blocked felt like contagious tonight. - Well, Rick Talketts used this word before, mechanical, right? Like, there's a lot of low to high there, and if we can see it coming, and we can understand what's gonna happen, Nashville's saying, all right, we know this is a trend that they have, and guys, whether it's, you know, Quinn Hughes setting up that shot, or Phillip Roanick may be passing off the shot, there's a lot of moments where Ian Cole got the puck, and he made a good pass on that Zodora play, but if I'm Nashville, I'm saying, yeah, go ahead, because your shot doesn't necessarily worry me, so for, you know, that's something right now, it seems a little mechanical, and they do need, they just need a little bit more instinct in their game, it feels like it's something that you're trying to force, and it just doesn't, it's not going off right now. - Is it low to high, or is it from the wall to the point? - Yeah. - 'Cause I'd love to see from goal line to the dots, and this team can be really good when they play from the dash down, but for me, it was like a lot of like pull up at the dots, look for the point, and yeah, they got a ton blocked, I'll do the numbers here, how many shots their D-man took, but a lot of that to me was not working below the goal line, and even you think their goal, Susie, below the goal line, making play, sorry, below the hash, making plays, PDG, Lafferty, winning behind the net, that's where their goal comes from. - For sure, and you know, that goal specifically, you can speak to the good work by that fourth line, and you mentioned Susie there, Beck, but that is also a bit of an indictment on the rest of this, especially at the top six, to say, when Rick Talkett is leaning on that fourth line a little bit more in the third period when you need a goal, and I know he switched the Lotto line later on, but that fourth line was getting a little more ice time, he needs his big dog's rolling right now, and unfortunately, they're not playing off instinct, it was just, you know, you gotta get that going, and in the third period of the last game, you have that moment, you have that 12 seconds where you're able to generate, there's a lot of confidence, and that's really where the gap was today, where Phillip Forsbury, give him a room, he's gonna make you pay, right? That goal that he scored, unbelievable skill, guys, but Vancouver's guys didn't execute to that level, and that's what this is about, going back to Nashville, you need some of your guys to step up here, especially without Demko in the lineup, he can't save you, so you need your top six to really elevate their game. - Yeah, and they didn't, and you raise six and a half minutes left, you do have Lafferty and Mikayev and Blueger out there, which is fine, and Juleson, actually, which shows that they were playing better, but it is, you kinda wanna ride your big dogs there, and then go back to the goal, they're the ones that switched to momentum, and they're doing it, and that's great, but you wanna be able to build that on your top lines, and you didn't, and then going back to down below the hash, that was the biggest adjustment on Nashville's plan tonight, for me, game one, a lot of behind the net releases, and then attacking into the slot, where you have like guys like Suder getting attempts right in between the hash marks, there was none of that tonight, they had five guys low, they covered that up. - And also the power play, you know, the Canucks got some opportunities, and I know fans are upset with the fish shooting at times and the calls, but you got five opportunities, and now they did generate some chances, that Patterson hits the net, he probably scores, and maybe we're having a different conversation about these one, oh, the best one was the one late in the second, late in the second, oh yeah, first period was it, it was a first period. Late in the first period, I mean, wide open net, and the one, he had a wide open net, which had bypassed the shot on, this one he missed the shot on. If the power play scores one gold, maybe it's a different game in the third, and that's a problem here in this series, they didn't really get going enough last game. The PK was better, that's a positive, but that man advantage has to become a threat again for this connects team. - Yeah, that missed net was one, then the Garland pass that I referenced early on was another missed opportunity, and you know, credit to Nashville, they had a couple of big blocks to McDonough, had a block on Patterson trying to get the puck through, but probably the best opportunity they had in the first period on the PP was Lauzon, gets a stick in the lane and besser for the first time in the night. Really, maybe the only time in the night has, you know, room in the bumper area and in the slot, so, you know, I think Vancouver had to, yeah, of course, they had opportunities you have to generate. If you're gonna get three opportunities in the first period, you gotta deliver, and with the weapons that this team has, on paper, they should be up there top five in the league, right? But whatever that is, let's throw that out for a second. In the playoffs, you're not gonna get many opportunities, and when a team like Nashville gives you those opportunities who has a bottom half of the league of the PK, you gotta take advantage, guys, and credit to Nashville for getting in the lanes, but I think Vancouver, you just gotta be more aggressive, it was a little, you know, you have the puck, you know, you take the puck, too much of that for me, where just, you need somebody to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and say, all right, I got that. And usually, Patterson and JT Miller are able to do that, but on the power plate, that's really lacking right now. Yeah, no, absolutely, it has been lacking in a big way. And, you know, the other part of it is looking at Casey the Smith's game in this one, right? It's not like there was a ton of shots and attempts here for the national predators and all situations. They only had 16 shots on goal, three of them get past Casey the Smith to get one on empty net as well. I mean, he makes three saves on 15 shots. Do we fault him on any of them? The first one, is he over-aggressive? You know, there's a nice tip going the other way. If he holds the center of the ice, he may still let that one in. It bounces twice before it even gets to the goal loss. It's amazing how much about the goals he gave up. It was more, it looked at times he had a hard time tracking the puck and didn't even know where the puck was. And it was right in his feet a couple times now. They didn't capitalize a score on it, but what did you guys think of the way Casey the Smith played? Felt like a Casey the Smith game, right? Like, Sat, you and I have discussed exactly this, right? These rebounds that popped down low. And look, he is fantastic and actually, on those moments, making himself big, being aggressive, he is a very aggressive goalie. So when you close that space between the puck and your pad, I have less concern, you make him this big wall. But it is a feature of his game that he does knock these pucks down and parry them right into the slot. And look, they got really fortunate on a couple of them. Like, Forsberg taps that puck right into his skate on a chance in the second period. There was a couple of moments, even the system's goal, right? Like, you look at that one is, look, I know it's a shot from the dots, but does Demco just suck that one in? That's the little differences we're talking about in those moments between someone who's, you know, top three, top five in his position versus someone who's filling in. - Yeah, I agree, but I'll go with, whole team was like that tonight. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - Yeah. - It stands out so much as a goalie, 'cause you get to see him just take on a puck one-on-one. But the entire team was like that. I don't think he would have saw a confident team in front of him tonight, and I think that kind of wears off when you're going to. So if the team's running, and they looked a little kind of sporadic in front of you, to me, he's gonna be sporadic there. It needs to kind of go downhill. It can start, you're right. If you get like a Demco performance where it's really solid, it can go out, but I think it can go the other way. And that's what they've been working all year for, is that system to play solid in front of a guy like to Smith and make him confident there. - He's not the reason they lost tonight, right? We're talking about all the offensive inefficiency that you had in the shot creation and shot block, but Randy, your thoughts on it too, it just, those moments, just, if you're talking about inspiring confidence, moving forward here, it just felt like the same thing we've seen from Kitzy to Smith. So maybe for the guys, it's all well and good. They've found that performance before, and they got to take care of their own end, just evaluating his play, just felt like the same. - Yeah, when I look at his, like, was there a bad goal out there tonight? And I didn't think there was. Maybe there's certain things he could do better, but to me, I didn't see a bad goal out there. And, you know, for the goals that he did allow, there was one that probably should have been a goal. Rhino, Riley, you know, in the slot all by himself, a heck of a blocker save. No, it was actually-- - Was that a good save? - Yeah, as a blocker save, he ends up making that save, so directs it into the corner. So, you know, yeah, there's a little bit of both, right? And to your point, Brett, the team wasn't exactly on, how many times at Pavilion go wide? He drew a penalty on Juleson. There's a couple of moments where Pavilion didn't have a good game one, game two. Yeah, they were attacking on that right-hand side whenever they got a chance and a couple of breakdowns. So, you know, there's some key moments there. It didn't happen very often, but when the Canucks did give up those opportunities, then the Sizzin' School is a classic example, right? You go wide on that and boom, it's in the back of your net. So, I don't look at Casey Dismuth. To me, he didn't give up a bad goal. Are there things that we expect from goal tenders because Dr. Denko plays in this building so often that where he makes those save and he makes it look easy, for sure, but I thought overall team-wise, there's a couple of breakdowns and it wasn't on him. - No, I think there's a number of things you can point to in a game like this here for the Canucks where they end up losing 4-1 against predators. I mean, obviously, we have a lot of reaction here on the text inbox and, you know, Pedersen obviously is a big topic conversation. We touched on it obviously a little bit, but somebody asked us here, "Can you please have an ex-player on "to tell us what is going on with Elias Pedersen? "Is it not having his confidence? "That's Brendan from Burnaby and we do have an ex-player, "but it was that easy, right? "I mean, it was that easy being an ex-player, "just saying I can point out to him through his issues. "Like, what are you seeing in Pedersen's game "that is preventing him from being the player "that this organization hopes that he should be?" - I mean, for me, it comes down to confidence right now, he looks, he doesn't look confident. He doesn't look confident in the puck, he doesn't look confident in attacking the play north. We saw that a couple, he drew a penalty tonight, doing it. He did it twice, I think, where he skates with it and you're like, "There we go, that's rare." I turn to you and say, "There we go." When he skates it, he draws a penalty. But he is a special player, he wasn't special tonight. - But even that, like, past the Garland, like the one where he passes up a shot and he feathers it through. Like, technically that's a high-scale play. The puck gets there and you think, "Okay, that's a guy who's a confident move. "It's just not that last little bit." And he's talking about being a 50 goal scorer. Well, you're not gonna be a 50 goal scorer if you pass up those shots. You have to be selfish. And guess what? Like, players down the line, if you can tell me, like, "You're all right with the least Pederson "taking an extra shot, right?" Like, I don't know how many players are gonna say like, "Hey, man, you should've made that pass to me." You're the one making 11.6, you're the one that has out of this world talent. You should be able to put that one on net and if you pass up those shots, I get it, you made a good play and a high-skill play. I didn't even get that puck there, but, if you want to score goals in this league, you've got to be willing to take that shot. - You know, who's also a former player, Rick Talkett. And he's talked about how he wants P.D. demanding the puck. He wants him to be aggressive. He wants him to be that player. And he hasn't necessarily maybe mentioned here in the playoffs because you're probably saying, "All right, just figure it out." They'll probably have those discussions behind closed doors. That's not a message we hear in the media, but, you know, this is a situation that, of course, with Elias Pederson, they're flashes there. You talked about drawing that penalty, Brett, but I want that ruthless, Elias Pederson, where you're not passing up those opportunities. You're going top cheese with it. You know, that's something that when he's going, there's no hesitation, and right now, you can see him think. If we can see him think, the guys down there are Nashville. They understand what's going on there, and they're, you know, that play on the defensive blue line. He takes an extra half a second there, and boom, it's in the back of his net. He takes a tumble after that. So just that ruthless streak, when he's confident, he's one of the most confident players in the league, but we've seen the extremes, right? And right now, it's not only on the offensive side, but in the neutral zone, you see him make that play, loses the puck, and boom, back the other way, it's in the back of the net. - Yeah, it's been tough for the Canucks. It's kind of get things going. And people are kind of asking us here, Dino asks, "Is there a difference in confidence "when you have to Smith and that Demkor? "Are they gripping their sticks a bit too much?" But one thing I would say though, the Canucks had a similar issue getting shots through in the first game. They ended up coming back and winning. The difference was, they scored in a couple chances. They had some glorious chances. Brock, Besser in a low and Sorrows makes the best save of the game on him. I don't know how Dakota Joshua didn't score. I mean, it's a wide open. - Well, Sorrow comes out and challenges that gets the left hat on it. - But then on the rebound, he has to pose too. It's wide open, the stick comes across. I mean, there's so many chances they were, they just don't bury it. But I thought the first game, you can point to saying sure, maybe a little confidence, but Brett, do you think there's a confidence issue not having to Smith or Demkor? 'Cause I saw some similar issues in terms of not getting their shots through and not being able to capitalize on chances like the first game. - I mean, they're never gonna admit it. I don't think you're gonna go and play the same game no matter where it's not like-- - Yeah, it can't be rooted in the goalie. You're in the offensive zone, you're thinking about to Smith or Demkor? - No, no, for sure. And between the game, it's game like, and we talked about this a little bit in between periods, but they've been planning for this kind of moment all year. They talked about structure, they talked about intangibles, they talked about everybody pulling, playing the same way. You know, they've had to Smith in, they've filled guys in, they've put other guys up the line, I'm saying everybody has to play the same way, there's not a goal, suppose you have to do it. So that, if we don't have our best game, we're still in the game. So if we don't have our start in goalie, we're still in the games, we don't have our start players, we're still in games. So they still need to play that way no matter what. So it shouldn't go back to to Smith. - Yeah, and I look at, you know, they have the opportunities guys, right? Like that's the thing, you have that, and that's not on to Smith, that's not on, you know, even in that first game, you just gotta get, you gotta take advantage of those plays and tier points that in the third period in game one, you're able to do that. You were able to use that 12 seconds and, you know, that powered you through the game. - Yeah, they only had one goal up until the first 50 minutes of that game almost, right? - For sure. - One goal in the first 49 minutes is score two and 12. - And you mentioned, okay, Dakota Joshua in that place, SARS is aggressive, he makes a good play, Brock Besser, heck of a save, but we all know his blocker side is there for the taking. He's not confident on that side, but you just gotta get pucks through and they haven't, they've targeted that area, and he hasn't been the most consistent. Patterson had one in game one where couldn't control the rebound, there's pucks sitting there for about a second tonight. Zadorov's goal, blocker side yet again, low blocker is a susceptible area for him, just the blocker side in general, but you gotta make sure that you take advantage of those chances. So, you know, I don't think it's goal tending, I think it's when the puck is sitting there, when you get that look, play for the rebound, play for something, rather than just, you know, passing up on those shots, at least like that Garland opportunity, where Patterson, you know, kind of airs the puck to him, that's a classic one where you're saying, all right, if you get the shot on net, but play for the rebound, there's traffic in front of the net, it could benefit you, but just kind of overthinking it right now, guys. - Yeah, they absolutely were. And I mean, in terms of how many shot attempts the Canucks had, so here's a tweet from Joey Kenward. He has some tidbits for the game tonight. Van's shot attempts, 84, is a new team playoff record. The previous was 78 and that was May 24, 2011 against San Jose Sharks. The Canucks missed 31 shots, that's also a new team playoff record. Previous was 25, April 11th, 0-7 against the Dallas Stars. Vancouver also had a record in hits for a playoff game, Tiger playoff record, which they had against the Boston Brewers in a cup final. So the Canucks have never shot the puck as much as they did tonight, and they've also never missed the net, as much as they did tonight. So pretty historic when it comes to not taking advantage of your opportunities tonight for the Canucks. - And Joey's tidbits are usually so optimistic here. - Yeah, this is a really negative one. Thanks for the stats though, Joe. That helps us out a big time. - Yeah, it's just so strange. Like, look, we're gonna be here till midnight, but we're gonna harp on one thing, like hit the net. - Yeah. - You know what the coach is gonna say as well, right? - They out hit them, they carried the play, they out-chanced them, they had all these shot attempts, and it just hit the net, man. Like hit the net. Stay tuned for the next 90 minutes, though, but yeah. - We'll talk about not being able to hit the net. We're gonna find different ways of saying it. - That's great stuff. Randy, fantastic stuff calling the game tonight, man. We look forward to chatting with you on Friday when the Canucks are in Nashville to take on the Predators for game three, a pivotal game three between these two teams. - All right, boys, have a good one, and I'll be listening on my way home, so have a good one. - Love it. Keep your thoughts coming into our Dunbar Lumber text inbox, 650-650, you can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650 or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. A lot of reaction on the text inbox, as you would imagine in this game. This one here from Dan and Calgary. Game of inches, look at all the chances they missed. If a quarter of them go in, it's a different game. And this one here says, "I told you this before. "You can't rely on point shots that trickle through. "You have to get to the middle of the ice "that's Dylan and Vane Cooveran." Do think there's some truth to that, too. There are some times the Canucks got shots through, and there was no one in front of the net, and you turned to me a couple of times turned to us, and you kinda mentioned there's nobody in front of the net there, too. Either get the rebound or get the tip, so it's like even some of the shots that did get through, that's where maybe it is misleading volume-wise. Like, you know, there are opportunities where they weren't converging in front of the net as much as they probably needed to do as well in this game. - Yeah, and I think that goes to Nashville fronting those pucks, right? You're not getting pucks through, and then even the fours that are in front, demon are literally stepping in front of them to knock down pucks. So your thinking process is kind of, okay, let me get away from these guys. Let me, I'm not open 'cause I may end up behind, maybe I had to get out, and then you just end up being pushed out to the wall, and then all of a sudden you're taking shots into five predators, and that's all who's in front for many of them. So it's really getting there, getting into the battle. You might have to battle to get in front of that demon, which has happened just to not let them front to puck. Let that puck get into those areas. - Brandon and Poco, it's always quick with the jokes per 60 into a Dunbar-Lumber text message inbox. Hey, I got my shot through via text. Why couldn't the cut-ups? (laughing) See, we well played. - We asked for you to find different ways to talk about the same thing, Brandon and Poco understood the assignment text to you in 650, 650. - Anything else you wanna read before I take a call or two on the text number? - No, let's get to the formula. - All right, let's go to Delta, where we have G on the line. G, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? - Hi, good evening. So while I was growing up in sports, and I'm sure it still happens today, there will always be kids who were not athletic or talented, considered liabilities, and the parents and sometimes teammates would cheer excessively for them whenever they would have the ball, or let's say Poco Kentucky. And it was a motivation tactic, an appropriate given to their kids, and need to be fed with the feeling that they are no different and that they belong. The fan that robbed his arena chanting, "Let's go Casey," is the equivalent of those parents' cheers. That chant had the complete opposite effect given the first goal was scored five seconds after it. This lift is not six years old. The last thing he needs is a reminder that he's different. The last thing he needs is a reminder that the fans feel bad for him, because he's the other goalie, and not their super talented starter. It got to his head, I'm sure of it. So, resting please to the let's go Casey chant at the young age of five seconds, and resting please one week in advance to the connect season at the young age of five billion games. Have the night. (laughing) - Look, we say have a take, don't suck. - I agree with the take. - But it was a take. - But that was a take, man. - It was a take. - That was a take. - That was a take. All right, that's a take. All right, let's take one more phone call. Let's go to Surrey, where we have Nathan on the line. Nathan, thanks for calling in, buddy. What are your thoughts here tonight after a 4-1 Canucks loss in game two? - Oh man, you guys got me? - Yeah, we got you. - Okay, shoot, wow, I wasn't gonna say anything, but man, that was a call and a half, eh? Oh yeah, we're putting the presentation on the spot. You think you had NHL player, man. He's dialed in. What are we talking about here? Like, he can go through rigorous training for years and years. Did multiple different leagues. Like, what are we doing here? You know what's out of the game game. All right, boys. I finished my exam. - You know what, hey, Nathan, sorry. We're gonna have to put you on hold, sorry, man, 'cause we have the coach coming up, and we'll get back to you afterwards. Here is Canucks head coach Rick Talkett at the podium. - Trying to generate offense tonight and not having success? - I mean, that's part of the story. I mean, we had some chances, some looks around the P.P., some empty nuts, we didn't capitalize. Maybe got a little frustrated. And, you know, but we threw a lot of rubber around that area, you gotta keep doing that. - Well, I think the game plans there, we just gotta start executing. - What did you think of Casey being thrust into this situation and again? - That's a tough situation. He was fine. That's a tough situation. You know, he just found out the other day. So yeah, but, you know, Casey, he'll be ready. - Do you have an update on either Myers or Demko? - So, Mysie had the flu today. He was really under the weather. And then Demmer got a value today. He's gonna be probably week to week. - Rick, I know there's a lot of block shots but there also seem to be a bit of reluctance at times with your guys to shoot the puck. Have you ever seen a team so reluctant to shoot? And then second part of the question, what are you seeing from P.D. right now? I know there's a couple of chances that were right there for him. We saw the frustration. What do you see him? - Well, I think P.D. like the team, I think there's times we're not decisive. Like there's, you gotta go, you got that puck and you beat pressure, it's downhill and it's everybody and it's shot on that people and that. And for whatever reason, you know, we had some of those and, but then we deferred, tried to throw a cross-ice pass or, you know, in reference to the P.D.'s young kid, you know, this is a, this is a, his first kind of taste of pressure playoff thing. And you know, this is good for him. He's gotta learn that, you know, he'll be, he's gotta dust himself off and be ready for game three. And he's gotta be very decisive with the puck. I wanna see him shoot the puck. Like he's gotta take it like and, but I think, I think it'll be fine. I mean, this is, this is, this is good for him. It's a good learning lesson. - I think we'd all admit five on five. You guys have probably been the better team in both games, but it's a one-one series. Do you like what you're seeing five on five from your side right now? - Yeah, I mean, we had a lot of possession time. I don't know what the possession was. Give them credit. They hung in there, they blocked a lot of shots and they scored when they had to score. But, you know, we're not gonna, I'm not changing too much. I mean, there's a few tweaks here and there, but, you know, it's about some execution. We had to need some guys to kind of execute some plays for us. - Brick, you've talked a lot about being patient, letting the game come to your team. In the first period, even as you had an edge in play, did you think that was something that your club maybe got away from a little bit tonight? - Yeah, because we didn't get the puck then. Like, we were, you know, I felt it halfway through the game. Actually, Dakota and Garza started to do it, which they never do is, you know, they're trying to make plays in the middle and if we go north, that's when you get teams in trouble. For, we were reluctant. I don't know if they thought it was gonna be easy because we had all this possession time. Not those two guys, I'm saying, the team in general. But, I mean, I was low as the four shots each after the first period, it wasn't much, right? But, like I said, I thought we were reluctant to shoot the puck after the first period. Really reluctant. And it's something that you gotta have, you know, footy set off the game, you know? It's a learning lesson for these guys. You just gotta, you gotta take what's there. Don't force something that's not there. - With the way that they're fronting shots, and not all the time, but especially when your defenders are shooting, I mean, they're fronting pre-aggressively, a fairly regularly and looks like they're trying to counter off them too. Is that cat and mouse stuff or is that something that, how do you beat that, I suppose? - Well, I don't want to divulge. I said it 10 times or on the third, it's there, the play that I want, but for whatever reason, we're not seeing it right away, but it's there. I mean, we're getting some opportunities, but there's a couple of things that we can do when teams front. And I think we gotta work out and practice, and we gotta really show these guys again that you gotta trust it. You know, sometimes you get frustrated, you forget the trust. I think we gotta trust what we're doing. - Take me through the power play, you haven't got one yet, you had a chance earlier in the game to kind of make some hand in the power play. What's not there? - Well, we had three chances, that was an empty net. We score then, the power play is great. And then people get frustrated and then you start not shooting the puck. That's what happens. We had three opportunities, they're gimmies. And then what happens is, the next guy who gets it, he wants to make a pretty play and then wobbles. You know, you saw it, you know, or it's a bad pass. And then the frustration sets in. So that's what happens. You gotta go through the stuff. You gotta learn how to play under pressure on these situations. That's it? - Overall, I mean, would it be easy to say your best players still need to find another level and be your best or most productive, or you're just happy with what they're doing process-wise? - No, I think they tried hard. I think they tried hard. I think they had to kind of breathe a little bit. An execute, a little execution there. You know, it's one pass to, it's downhill, it's shot. It'll come. But he's gonna breathe, and it's one one. You know, we know it's gonna be a tough series. And you know, we got a couple days off to regroup and get her going. - Rick, you talked about frustration. What's the key to resetting that kind of mentality and getting rid of that frustration in guys who are young players who haven't necessarily been in this occasion before? - Sorry. Well, I think it's important that each individual just sticks with it. It just takes one or two guys to get frustrated. It doesn't, you know, and then you can see it unravel. So I felt this year, last year of this team when it got frustrated, it really kind of went through the team. I thought this year we really bounced back after frustrated. We, you know, we come back pretty well after a frustrated game or a couple of games. So that's what, you know, we're gonna rely on that resolve that we had this year. You know, you can't, you know, there's some positive of this game, but you can't let the frustration of them fronting pucks or whatever, you know, or our lack of execution get in practice tomorrow, that's when we practice and let's execute these plays. And reps and reps and reps. And when it comes to the pressure, it's there for you, you know? That's what the, that's how you handle pressure. - Rick, obviously defensively talking in the middle, they're taking something away, but they also have to give something up. How do you exploit what they're giving up? - Well, we had a couple of posts. You're back, I think you got hooked there. I mean, we had, I mean, there's, I don't know, there's six, a glory chance of you. If you convert three, it's 50 to 50%. So I don't know, there's a lot to dive into. And to me, it's execution and also, you know, there's not anyone to get into the one option. I know it's there, we just got to fight it and when teams front pucks. - You've talked about your team being even keel all season along and trying to practice that. You're going into Nashville now, hostile territory for a lot of guys, first time. How much confidence do you have in the group heading into Nashville? - Very confident, you know? On the look of the third, we had the puck the whole time. And I mean, guys are trying. You know, it's just, you know, you just can't get frustrated after a loss. You know, we have some guys that are, they want to play better. They want to execute and they just got to, you got to breathe and relax and have a good practice. Get a good meal in you, go for a walk, and then just be ready. I mean, that's just, that's what playoff hockey's all about. You can't get too nervous about it. You know, you just got to, it's a hockey game. - Adam, hold on for a second. Oh, we have to get in Nashville in this room, two more questions, one year, one year. And then coach that. - Coach from a defensive perspective, you know, while at 16 shots, 15 on the Smith, and you guys basically blanked them in the third period, how important is that defensive structure and is it byproduct of just the constant offensive structure in Nashville kind of sitting back a little bit? - Well, I don't know. I mean, they, I think when they have four or five, they had five chances, five on five. I'll take that all day long. I'll book that for the rest of the playoffs, but that's not going to happen. That's, I mean, they had five chances, five on five. Give them credit though. They did what they had to win, but we just got to figure a way of some people shooting the puck when we should. And some people get in some areas when, you know, behind the front end pucks on these, you know, these rebounds and then put them in. You know, there's three or four sitting there or there's three or four shots that if you shoot it, it's in the net, you know, you got to be decisive. That's what it's about. So it's not a big, we're not going to be in there looking at a big game plan. We're going to be switching stuff that because we had, it was at 33 of temps or blocks and all that stuff. But there are some stuff that we can do for sure. - Just, just to go back to the Demer question, you know, being out week to week, which sounds like not for the rest of the series. What's the challenge now for the group for morale? 'Cause that's, you know, in the end you have bumps, you know, they're going to come in, but losing a star player is never easy. - Well, you're looking, that's where leadership group and a guy like Zadora, who's like, you know, he's just a breath of fresh air. He's a funny guy, he's great in the locker room. You know, those are the guys that you rely on and the leadership group. You know, you group together and make sure that the young guys and they cogging these guys understand that, hey, we're okay. That's what it's all about. And obviously the coach established, it's got to come from myself to the leader. I got to lead those guys to make sure, you know, it's not the end of the world. And Demer's around, Demer's around a lot, so that should help too. - Thank you. - Good, thanks. - That is Canucks head coach Rick Talkett at the podium brought to you by Tile Town. For vision to reality, Tile Town has everything you need for your tiling projects. See them today in Victoria, Richmond, Langley and online at mytiledown.ca. It's Satyar Shah with Biknazar and Brett Festrilling. Keep your thoughts coming into our text then box, 65650. You can grab a phone line, 604-280-0650 or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. Quickly on what the Canucks head coach had to say there at the end, Brett, talks about mentality. He's still very confident, can't get frustrated after a loss. It feels like if they control the puck, like they did in the third, this should still be our right mentality from the coach post game. - Yeah, of course. I mean, he's right, they did have, we talked about the backdoor chances. We, I don't even know if we mentioned the post at the end of the second off the foot. - Joshua. - Oh, no, Joshua, but the one that goes on the power plate on the post. I don't think we mentioned the suitor one. - Yeah, the suitor one too. - Right, so they're like, they're right there. That could easy, you heard it from talk there, talking about guys shooting it and we had backdoor chance of, they were there. It was just that execution that he's talking about and breathing and kind of playing in the moment. And then there's the two hour rule. Like for people that don't know, the coaches usually come in and tell you two hours whether it's win or lose. You got two hours, enjoy it for two hours and then it's business as usual. It goes the same for losses. You try to get back to neutral, to that even keel and then it's business like tomorrow, get ready to go to Nashville. - The head coach has some updates on Thatcher Demko and Tyler Myers will talk more about that and also how to star players need to be better plus more of your text messages through a Dunbar Lumber text inbox and your phone calls 604-280-0650 as we continue on the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange. So the game is over but he's not really done. Number five is open. More than next on the home of your Canucks Sportsnet 650. - This is where you talk Canucks. You're listening to the Canucks Central Post game show on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. - Carry a who games the red line on left wing and dumps it in. (crowd cheering) - Let's go Casey Chance echoing around Roger's arena. He's got the backing of the fan base. You can tell that as Forsberg gets a lock shot, hit the score. Phillip Forsberg from the line through it to the net. It was deflected off a stick in the slot and the Predators take a one-nothing lead, just one-fourteen into the hockey game and it's the former Canak Anthony Beauvile scoring the goal. - Gee, thanks for calling in. Now what are your thoughts here tonight? - The fan that lobbed his arena chanting, let's go Casey. That chant had the complete opposite effect given the first goal was scored five seconds after it. It flipped about six years old. The last thing he needs is a reminder that he's different. The last thing he needs is a reminder that the fans feel bad for him because he's the other goalie and not their super talented starter. It got to his head. I'm sure of it. So, resting please to the let's go Casey Chance at the young age of five seconds and resting please one week in advance to the Canucks season at the young age of five till the young game of the night. (laughing) - Some take, some take. But it does, when you listen to it, let's go Casey. And honestly, man, like, you know, I know G called in and he was, you know, critical. - She from downtown. - Downtown, man. He's getting his shots up, man. - That was a capital G take, man. - That was a heat check take, man. And so, I actually thought it's not D.R. Shaw, Bick Nizzar and Brett Festling and the Canucks Central Post games are presented by the number five origin sports in 650. But, I actually thought that the fans did a terrific job trying to like, hey, we're trying to pump up our guy, right? Like, hey, you're going into game two. Demko's injured. Instead of having this nervous energy in the building, the fans were like, let's go back our guy. It was full of positivity, full of endorsement. And honestly, we can blame Casey if you want. He's a bit over eager going post to post, maybe a little bit on it. But I mean, it goes back to Elias Patterson. Like, we talk about the third goal they give up and that's the one that was most egregious where he turns the puck over at the blue line and then gets beat by scissors in that front. And the next thing you know, the puck's in the back of your net. But, Brett, you turn to us as soon as it happened before Pavilion got the tip and Forsberg got the shot off. It's Pavilion who beats Patterson in a puck battle and then beats him to the spot to get the tip. And, you know, number 40 has to be better there. - Yeah, it's a 50/50 battle. So at least get into the body. He didn't get into the body there. And then you're right, he just, there's two assignments. It's get the puck or get in the body. And then the next one is beating back to the net and he loses both. It's a beautiful tip. It is a really nice tip by, if you watch it just the way it scores. - But he has free access to the slot 'cause there's no impact on the boards. - Exactly. You just have a stick, get a stick, get some body in either circumstance and then you're probably not dealing with it. So yeah, that's just not being ready to play. Come ready on time when puck drops. - When we talk last game, 'cause this wasn't driving enough play. And, you know, my version of what a bad game is is you hurt your team, right? If you're just ineffective on the offensive zone, but you clean up things on your own end, that's just an average game. But today, like Leah's Madison hurt his team. That play and the giveaway that leads to the system goal. Like that's, you just can't do that. And you don't really know where Besser is. You don't know where Hulklander is on that chip out. You throw it into the middle of the ice. It comes back into your own zone. It just, those two plays. And it's not as if the preds, you know, for as aggressive as the preds were, all throughout the game, how many chances did they really, you know, overwhelming sequences? It wasn't there. - You give them opportunities. - Yeah, just invert. - Just way too many of them. So the head coach, Casey The Smith played tonight because Thatcher Demko this morning, the coach said he's day to day. Well, post game, he said he's weak to weak. And then it was also asked about his, you know, the fact that he is weak to weak and we probably won't see him the rest of the series. And the coach responded by saying, yeah. So I think he pretty much confirmed without actually officially confirming, we're not gonna see Thatcher Demko the rest of the series. So that was one big update. The other one was Tyler Myers missing the game tonight. It's good that it was an injury, but it's also maybe somewhat concerning that it's a flu and not feeling well, maybe it's the flu. And we know that for the last game of the season, when the Canucks went to Winnipeg, there was some talk that maybe talk it wouldn't be available 'cause he wasn't feeling 100%. They wanted to keep that out of the room. And, you know, you've heard a couple of guys that have been sick as well. It could be that the flu is running around a little bit too, 'cause anytime one player gets it and misses a game, you got to think you've been in rooms before. If one guy has it, usually more than one player has it, right? - Yeah, that usually goes like wildfire. - Yeah. - Pretty quick, but I mean, I would hope they're taking the necessary precautions. It is what it is. - Yeah. - You know, guys play sick. Hopefully it's just quick, but unfortunately, obviously something you don't want bad timing, we'll say, but yeah, it's just too bad. - Maybe Petey's sick. Maybe that's why he coughed it up. (laughs) - Cough the puck up. I see you working. I see you working. I see you working. And, you know, overall, he felt the Canucks tried hard, but you have to breathe a little bit. And does that kind of make sense here in terms of, you know, their lack of execution tonight? If you're feeling a bit less anxious, do you maybe convert on some of these chances to get some more shots through, potentially? - Yeah, I think so. There's definitely an aspect of gripping the stick a little too tight. I think if you watch the game, it kind of comes down early. I think the first game everybody's jacked, you're excited. They did execute really well in the first game, but now the pressure comes to you. You're at home, you get to go up to nothing. You're the one. You probably think you can do a little more, or you're a little more confident in your ability to try things. And that's kind of when you get the thinking. And you don't really want to think. And that usually slows the game down and creates turnovers. And then I think that's what you saw tonight. And Nashville thrives off turnovers. - No early goals too, right? And now two games, no goals in the first period. This is a team that has thrived on scoring first so far this year. And they're 38, 11, and four during the regular season. The Canucks are when they score first, right? So you're looking at over 50 games that you're getting the first goal. And now through two, you have it. And the dynamics of the game changed as you mentioned. Nashville's going to thrive on takeaways and pushing the puck up the ice. So far at times, given the game states, it's kind of gone the predator's way. And the Canucks that are having to force the tempo through much of this series so far. And the best Canucks stretch has come. They had three, two lead. And they were able to shut it down. Like, that's the version of the Canucks that they probably want to play. They haven't really had enough time with the lead. And for a team that's, you know, I can do the numbers. I think it's close to like 40% that they play with the lead throughout the course of this year. It's an overwhelming number. They haven't generated that opportunity for themselves. - No, they haven't. And Nashville likes to do that as well. I think they're right behind the Canucks in first goal or first period of the lead. So they like that and then they thrive off, just they have four guys up, right? They're so up. They have aggressive forecheck. So when that's their version of their trap, where they're just in guys' back pockets, giving no time, relentless there. And then just getting pucks and hounding them down. So I think you're 100% right. The Canucks are much more comfortable playing with the lead. - Before we go back to more reaction from our listeners on the text inbox and the phone boards, then one other thing I wanted to point out that he mentioned, he says some guys want to be better and can be better, can't get too nervous about it. It's just a game of hockey. He didn't want to get into specifics about players, was asked about Patterson and obviously says he can be better a little bit in everything. But for a player like him, as a coach taking a night, the right approach here, instead of being overly critical about what happened, trying to exude some confidence, trying to build the guys up and be encouraging in terms of, hey, it's not that serious. We're only playing hockey here. Like relax a little bit and you can be a lot better. Is he taking the right approach in terms of how he's handling these things with the media? - Yeah, 100%. I mean, he might not be doing that behind the doors. I believe he is. Like, let's not kid ourselves. The person that's feeling the pressure the most or being the hardest on Petey is most likely Petey itself. Like, he did sign this ticket. He knows how good he can be. And when he's not performing at that, as an athlete's perspective, you feel terrible. Now, some guys think they still are, but I think Petey believes that he's not performing up to standard. So, just letting them know that it is another hockey game, you do that with the rookie who's first call up or any situations that are just elevated, it is another hockey game. And just know that you do this literally every day for the last 30 years, 25 years, whatever it is, and you're good at this and go prove it. - Yeah, absolutely. - Well, for me, just also, you know, Rick Talker, that's still being consistent with who he's been all season, right? Is he gonna change his demeanor and his interaction with the media just 'cause it's a playoffs? If he switched that up, I think that would raise more alarm bells. And why would you plan to see the doubt in your own players at this stage? - Yeah, exactly, why? Why make him more nervous? - Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's one of the things, I remember watching, it was the Leafs, I think it was the All or Nothing or whatever, there was a clip of Sheldon Keefe going off on his guys in the playoffs talking about, you guys think you're good, you gotta prove that you're good as during intermissions, during a game, and Rudy made a great point. He's like, well, instead of building the guys up, you're putting the seat of doubt in their heads that if you guys don't play a certain way, you're gonna lose, you think you're good, you're not that good. And it's like making the guys more nervous. Did you like that approach better in terms of guys tearing you down in big games, reverting to like building you up instead of putting the seat of doubt in your head? - No, I liked coaches to be honest. I think it's easy to sniff out when they're not true or they're trying to angle some sort of plan or narrative in their own mind that'll get guys going, like a tortorella, where he kind of almost just makes things up to try to-- - Seated mentality. - Yeah, exactly, I hated that kind of thing, but you can be honest with me. Like, it's only gonna drive me to be better. I wanna be the best I can be. Obviously, if you tear me down and I'm like, kind of screw you, I don't wanna play for this guy. That's not a good position to be, but I think that's who talk is always pretty, pretty just honest, straightforward with the guys. This is what we gotta do, or this is what we didn't do. And that's, I responded the best to that, 'cause I think the inner kind of drive in the guys, especially when you're in the team group and you feel accountable to the other guys on the team, that's the biggest motivator. - Yeah, it's just that level of consistency, right? If that's who Sheldon Keith is and it tracks through September all the way to April, or I guess April, 'cause the Leafs don't play in May. But nevertheless, if you do that, I think it's fine in that scenario, but if you just kind of switch it up and you're doing the Chameleon Act, guys are probably gonna resonate too much. Just really quickly, I did bring up the leading stats. Connects this year, played 45.9% of their games with the lead. - Yeah. - And 31% of them tied. So they only played 22% trailing. And so far through this series, you look, they scored that goal, that scored a Joshua goal, nine seconds, or sorry, nine minutes into the third period. So they've had 11 minutes to lead so far this series. - Yeah, so that's gonna have to change when the series shifts to Nashville. Before we go to the foam boards, what are the people saying on the text inbox here, Bick? - 650, 650 into the Dunbar Lumber text message inbox. - This one can't expect Hoaglander to do anything with eight minutes and 33 seconds of ice time. - But when was the last time you saw a good shift from Hoaglander? - Yeah, no, it's true, like it-- - Like in the playoffs, right? And hey, we've spent a lot of time criticizing Pedersen. I'm not blaming his line mates for his performance, but can you point to a good, actually good Hoaglander shift? He's worked hard, he's battled, sure. But in terms of actually making plays coming away with pucks, connecting play, hounding guys, I'm not seeing a lot from Hoaglander so far through two games. - No, I think if you try to break down who talks, saying these to breathe and loosen the grip on the stick and just play it's a hockey game, he's one of the guys. I feel like he's missed a few passes, bobble a few pucks, tried maybe some passes to the middle where he's usually tipping down the wall and chasing it. That's when he's effective, when he's, you know, a hound dog getting on, four checks getting into body, just creating loose pucks for other guys, whereas right now he just doesn't seem to have it as well. - Greg and Van wants to know, how does Tockett adapt to this to all the shop blocking? - Well, they do have, well, there was some empty nets tonight where he alluded to, which you can just shoot there. Like those are pretty obvious shots, I think. So shot first mentality, there was a lot of seams tonight, which we talked about. I'm guessing that's something they watched in video. They tried so many seam passes. He did talk, it was very vague 'cause he didn't want to give away his secrets, but he's like, there's a plan there if we stick to it. I think that's probably a high tip because they block so many shots. You probably want guys two, three feet off where you're just trying to hit like a side or tip where it's. - So that'd be similar to the suitor goal last game where he just kind of next that second line or that second wave of preds. - Yeah. - And he's behind Millers in the net front and suitor's able to get that tip. So that style, like that area we're talking about? - Yeah, 'cause let's be honest, like we're talking about how many blocks shot something. National does a really good job and it's a 100% part of their game plan. So just how do you tie, you can either battle those guys to get in front of them and then it just turns into this weird, you're wasting energy to go towards your D-man or you go just off to the side and you start and you saw Petey actually do it one time where he got on right and they're shooting kind of at the post 'cause that's what's open and you're trying to pull it in. So I think that's part of it, but the guys just had nothing but that in their heads and then they ended up on that perimeter and you saw guys top of the circles on the walls. - You'll chew horn. - Like really shooting it back door, right? Where it doesn't have any chance. Actually, one of Sorrows' best saves to start was suitor, heroic misses the net. It's only by a foot, but it comes back and then you get a scramble, you get a battle on the side of the net, right? So it might not necessarily be, they obviously do wanna get shots on net if they can. To work around about that is shooting to the side of the net or lanes that are just off. That's where they want. Guys, and then they can create battles from there. - Let's take a phone call. We'll take more phone calls on the other side. Let's give Nathan a surrey another go. We have to cut him off 'cause the head coach was at the podium. So Nathan, you can finish your take off here. What do you have for us tonight? - Hey guys, you got me? - You got ya. - Awesome, awesome. I just finished my exams yesterday. I'm a free man boy, so it's playoff time, baby. First ever playoff game tonight. And you know what, I almost had it here when the streets came on that song. It just feels like the heavens are opening. And it's totally part of Canucks lore. And of course, Ryan Kessler gets everybody going. What a bot, I'm curious. What do you guys think, or who do you guys think Cass' favorite player is? It's gotta be JT Miller, right? - Yeah, I guess it might be. Hey, thanks for the phone call. That's Nathan and Surrey calling in. I would guess it would be JT. I mean, that might be cut from the same cloth in many ways, right? But Brett, listen, we gotta take a break. We gotta let you go. Fantastic stuff on Intermissions on a post game, post game show as well. Hopefully a better game to talk about on Friday for the Vancouver Canucks. A victory hopefully on the road. Game three goes on Friday. Well, afternoon. What has popped up as four o'clock our time? 4.30 our time. So that's coming up on Friday. We'll look forward to chatting with you then. - Yeah, thanks, appreciate it. - Great stuff as always. All right, keep your thoughts coming in to our Dunbar Lumber text unbox, 6.56.50. More of your phone calls and more from Canucks players, that's coming up next. I'm the Canucks Hunter post game show presented by number five, Orange on the home of your Canucks, SportsNet 650. Hey, it's Big Nizar. Have your say and join me on the people's show with big takes and even bigger bets, weekdays three to four on SportsNet 650, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Canucks Central post game show. Join the discussion on the official home of the Canucks, SportsNet 650, and the SportsNet Radio Network. - Gunner Garland drops it on the boards for Miller, goes back to Patterson trailing the play to center with speed. Patterson, end of the predator's zone, dumps it right wing for Besser. Back to Hughes, top of the point. Now to Miller, left circle played it to the backyard, Patterson. Sandals shoots played in front. Garland missed the pass of the slot. Miller tried to throw it to the goal off the left wing. That was blocked. - Well, I think P, like the team, I think there's times we're not decisive. Like you got that puck and you beat pressure, it's downhill and it's everybody, and it's a shot on that people in that. And for whatever reason, we had some of those. And but then we deferred, tried to throw a cross-size pass, or I don't. In reference to the P, he's a young kid. You know, this is a, this is a, his first kind of taste of pressure playoff thing. And you know, this is good for him. He's got to learn that, you know, he'll be, he's got to dust himself off and be ready for game three. That is Canucks head coach Rick Talkett after a tough 4-1 loss in game two series with Nashville not tied at one in the first round. And this is the Canucks central post game show presented by the number five orange. Satyar Shah with Bick Nizar. Keep your thoughts coming into our text in the box. 656-50. You can also grab a phone, 9604-280-0650 or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. And he was talking about Elias Patterson and said this is good for him. He's going to have to learn from this and get better. And our text in the box, Bick, is full of people texting in. Bobby from the doc says he looks very nervous. Others texting in and then being far more critical about Elias Patterson as you would expect. This one here says Patterson just isn't good enough. How many chances did he have to shoot and didn't? The misses are, and misses an open net. And Talkett did say, I mean, he's got to shoot the puck. Now he tried, he had nine shot attempts. - Nine shot attempts, yeah. - But one hit the net. None hit the net. - Sorry, none hit the net. - None hit the net. - Well, one did it. You hit the side of the net. Another kind of shot on goal. Hit the net. Technically, yes. Facts only hit the net. Just decided to do that. - A little bit of Soyuz. Petey cooked all night. And now I have food poisoning. And I'm falling into work tomorrow. 650s. - Calling and sicking to work, I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Should have kept Horvad over Patterson. Horvad's built for the playoffs. I'm like Patterson. - I mean, hey, there's a Horvad has score to go on the playoffs so far. But he's also been a defensive liability. As you could see, but was it the Gensil? What was the Jarvis score? - The Ajo goal. - There was a Ajo goal in that front. Yeah, it's pretty rough. But yes, I mean, at least Horvad has a goal in all that. But if you watch them play, it wasn't exactly great on that at the end of this game. - Ah, sorry, do you want me to do one more here? - I got this one here. Capitalist Chris says, "Fellest two things." One, Patterson needs my boy, 20 Robbins. Two, the boys and the fans. It's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll. And that means you got to be patient as well. As Capitalist Chris. And it's a swing back and forth. We talked about this in the playoffs. You'll feel great when you win. You'll feel bad when you lose. And Yannick said, like some nights you win a game, you feel like you're never going to lose again. And then you lose and you're like, "Man, we're going to lose a series." And the emotional swings are palpable on the text inbox. We have a lot of people being concerned. But I agree with Chris. It's still a long series, man. And I know a lot of people are texting in and saying, honestly, I think if the connects control the game the same way and just do a little bit better, they should be fine. But that's the thing here. It's fine margins in the poll poll season. - Well, somebody texted in is blocking this amount of shots sustainable. - Yeah, Adam from Burnaby. - Yeah, well, you can just go back to what the Canucks did in the bubble. They played Park the Bus, right? Like sit back, absorb as much pressure as you can, block the shots. Now that the numbers there weren't as overwhelming as far as shock block totals for the Canucks, but they tried to absorb as much pressure as they could in those games. But like eventually the damn burst there, right? It's like they lose in game seven, they get back in the series, but they lose in that one. At some point, the chant generation is gonna be necessary. And the Preds got good chances today created by Vancouver mistakes. - Yeah, no, absolutely. And that's something that allowed Nashville to win this game here tonight for one over your Vancouver Canucks. All right, let's go to the foam boards. Let's take a few foam calls. And we're going to midnight. So if you don't get to your calls right away at the break, we'll get to them on the other side as well. So stay patient. We're here for a full hour and we'll promise we'll go work through the foam boards. And let's start things off in Coquotlam where we have a gourd on the line. Four, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts tonight after the Canucks 4-1 loss against Nashville? - Yeah, hey guys, you know, at the game, I don't know the stats or anything like that, but just some of the eyeball tests. What did you think of Jules' play? I personally liked it for the amount that he played. I thought he was quite stiff. You know, it's defensive and quite tough. And I was a little, you know, again, just the eyeball test. Just a little, I thought Susie could be a tougher demon. I'm not saying that when everyone's healthy, but Jules isn't in. But I just thought Jules didn't play well and I just thought Susie could be tougher. I am disappointed that Myers didn't play because of the flu. I don't know guys, but I, you know, the last 25 years of my life, I never took a sick day, right? And I just, I don't know. I just think these guys gotta suck it off a bit and play. - But, hey, Corey, I appreciate that. But, what, I mean, not to diminish. - I don't like to work for you anymore. - Not to diminish what you do, but does your line of work include you having to go out of physical peak performance for 60 minutes? - No, but I work eight to 10 hours a day. - I hear you, man. - He can work for 60. - I understand, I understand. But I'm saying, I'm just saying it's, it's not, it's not a direct, direct comparison, you know what I mean? But I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. - You know what guys, there was one time where I was in the hospital, they didn't know if I needed an operation. I had to sleep. So, basically, I went to work every day. I had to sleep at the hospital at night, so I wouldn't lose my place in line. Like, I never, I never missed a day. You know, I just, yeah, you know. - What about the editor? - What about the editor? - I love it, go ahead. - It's really about Jules. - I thought Jules and played well. I don't know how many minutes he played, but when he was out there in the hits, he stood guys up, I thought, and played tough. And I just thought, I mean, Susie's better offensively. You know, you could tell in the offensive zone, he's got a better stick, but I just thought Susie with his size could just play tougher. I don't know if you agree or not, that's all. - Yeah, hey, thanks for the phone call, Gord. And you know what, like, I do think that Susie can probably play a little bit tougher. Like, Susie, you know, we couldn't say a bad thing about him for about a two-month stretch. Then he got injury, he came back from his injury. And since he came back from his last injury, he hasn't been quite as overall effective as he was maybe earlier. He's still been good, right? - I mean, I thought he played-- - He was fine. - I got a great role on the goal on the goal four. He has two great plays along the wall to keep that puck down low. Yeah, and I feel like the Susie one is fine. The Jules and one, I guess we're running a time here, we'll tack on the other side. I kind of agree with Gord. I thought, I know the penalties stacked up, but I didn't think like Noah Julesen was at all an issue today. - No, it's more about a couple of the penalties. Hands up taking, we can talk about that a little bit, but we'll get to it. All right, keep your thoughts coming in to a text in the box, 65650. You can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650. You're toll free, 1-888-275-0650. We'll run through your phone causing it on the other side, plus we're here from Canucks players after a 4-1 loss on the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange, a Vancouver legend. They've got sports too, more next on SportsNet 650. - Hey, it's Mike Alford and Jason Bruff. Join us for Alford and Bruff in the morning, weekdays from 6 to 9 a.m. on SportsNet 650. - Or on demand anytime through your favorite podcast app. - This is where you talk Canucks. You're listening to the Canucks Central Post game show on the official home of the Canucks. SportsNet 650 and the SportsNet Radio Network. It's right side for Besser with room for it. So they're all tipped on by Miller Scott by Sara Sreeb on left circle. - Ian Cole couldn't get to it and he for sure would clear it back to the Vancouver line. - That's a good response by the Canucks as Quinn Hughes working his magic along the blue line just to create a little bit of space. - Patterson turns it over at his own line, sucker into the slop of Ilya Schutz left circle stop at a Smith rebound, they score. - Colton Sisson's middle of the ice driving the net, jams it past Casey to Smith. Bad puck management of the defensive blue line and it's in the back of their goal, Nashville leads three nothing. - And Ilya's Patterson will want this one back as it was him that made the giveaway at the defensive blue line and then Colton Sisson is the one who, he beats Patterson going to the front of the net as well. So not only do you give away the puck, unfortunately you can't get back and gets your assignment as the North Van product Colton Sisson's makes it three nothing, Nashville. - Tough play. Ilya's Patterson at the blue line, then gets beat by Sisson's three nothing. The Canucks end up losing four one on home ice. Even the series one one against the Preds in the first round is shifts to Nashville for game four. That's game three, that's coming up on Friday. You are listening to the Canucks Central Post Game Show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks sports net 650. Get your thoughts into a Dunbar number, text them box, 650-650, we'll take more of your phone calls as well as 604-280-0650 and Gord's phone call is getting a lot of reaction on the text them box, 650-650. This one says Gord can't stop won't stop, I like that. This one here says Gord is clearly lacing up the skates for the next game. - Cohen and LSR, I didn't think my grandpa listened to this walking the school up hill both way by. - Day from the Valley, does this mean sat was weak for taking days off work when he had the bug? Yeah, you know what, I should have came in with COVID and got everybody all sick to show how dedicated I am to my craft. - Look, I'll call you a coward for a lot of things. You were not a coward for that one. - Well, you were also sick for a little while. I didn't want whatever you had. You lost your voice, whatever bug you had lost your voice. That's like the scariest thing for us. I'm like stay away, do not come in contact with us. - I can't hear and judge this or something like that. - Whatever it was, it was tough, it was tough. So yeah, people are texting again, never miss a day. Thanks for the flu, this one text message says. All right. But yeah, and you know, a lot of people pointing out that yeah, athletes do more than just play three hours a day for the game. There's a lot of physical dedication in the trap. Like, listen, I get it. These guys get paid a lot of money, I know, right? And it's a different lifestyle, different world and all that sort of stuff. But the physical demands on these athletes is incredibly high. Like I don't think people realize how high the physical demands are. That's why they get paid, what they get paid 'cause they're the very few that can actually withstand those physical demands and play at a high level and be able to stay in the National Hockey League. It's not as simple, but I get it. People are passionate, they want to see people fight through it. I get it. - It's 650, 650. - Yes, get a couple in before we go to the phone board. - A couple of thoughts here that are very similar. Got to shoot quicker when you receive a pass, don't let them get in position. The key blocking shot, then see how bad they really want to play and fire at the ankles. McDonald's, he blocked a big shot as well from J.T. Miller, people want to see more of that. J.C. and Campbell River, they got to practice snapping shots immediately instead of stick handling for a second or two before the shooting the puck. You saw this repetitively, especially on the power play, just too easy to have it blocked or saved by the goalies. The door off shot immediately and he scored. That's J.C. in Campbell River. There is a moment too when McKayev took this great diagonal seam pass which they hit all evening, these seam passes and he took it and his feet weren't really ready to shoot me. Kind of took a second, made another pass. And you just see how quick, like in moments like this, you see how quick UC Sorrow says. And this is why like he's an undersized goalie to modern standards and you just see like his footwork and how quick he is to get from either the top right to the left pose, back to post-post. He's sharp. And that's why I think like just even getting a bad shot towards the net might be better than trying to overweight it. - Yeah, you can't give him time. - You give him chance and McKayev in that moment, it's like there's a good pass, a chance to get a shot off. And like Sorrow says already there and you just got to get the puck towards the net. - Yeah, absolutely, I'm with you on that. Keep your thoughts coming into our text inbox, 650, 650. We'll get to more of your thoughts, but let's go to the forum board, 604-280-0650. And let's go to Nanaimo, where we have Paul on the line. Paul, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts after a 4-1 loss for the Canucks in game two? - Well guys, first of all, I just wanna say that I just absolutely love this management group, the Canucks have, they haven't had anything like it. And there's nothing but up with this team. I'm really a strong believer in what they've done. Unfortunately, I really do think, and I know you guys are tired of hearing it. Well, you know how the management group talked about the hockey structure, and they use the word structure over and over again. And that's what they needed this year in. And they have that. But as far as the cap structure, I think they made a huge mistake in giving a Patterson that contract. I really believe the two highest plate Canucks should be Miller at use. I can't see how they can pay a guy as inconsistent and soft as Patterson making, you know what, but a 30% more in their cap structure, which really handcuffs them. When you think about a couple of guys, for instance, like, that there even could be a question of keeping the door off. And Joshua, you know, making them happy, keeping them. Okay, listen, I'm outside now. I've been on hold for a while. That's all I'm gonna say, 'cause I'm not gonna be able to hear you very well. I'll just listen to what you have to say. - Yeah, thanks for the phone call. That's Paul and I'm all calling in. - You can listen to the podcast later, Paul. - Do you miss hear your own voice on the podcast later? - You can listen to your call and you can hear it. And if you don't think Patterson's worth the money, I don't know if there's anything that's gonna happen this year that's gonna change your mind on it, right? And to the point that JT Miller should be the highest paid player, what I point to, and you can be critical of Patterson's play, absolutely. Like, you can be critical of his play. What I've maintained is, I still believe in the player long-term, and I think the player is gonna be worth the contract long-term. Is that gonna show itself this year right now in the moment? I hope so. It has it right now and I get the trepidation around it. But to the notion of, you know, him, you know, JT has to get paid more than Elias Patterson. So the Elias Patterson is 25 years old, coming off 102-point season last year, 89-point season this year, 39 goals, 34 goals. He went 32 goals when he was 23, 39 when he was 24, 34 when he was 25. JT Miller, when he was 25 years old, you know how many points he had in a season? 58. His career high in goals until up until that point was 22. Yes, JT's the better player today. But JT's also six years older than Patterson, and when he was the same age as Patterson, Patterson was putting up double the amount of points in the goal. He was, he went from, went from New York to Tampa that year, finished strong with the Tampa Bay Lightning, spent two seasons there, one and a half seasons, then gets traded to Vancouver. And it was his age 27 year where he finally broke out with the Canucks at 72 points, 27 goals. JT Miller didn't hit 30 goals in his career until he was 29 years old. Yes, there are struggles with Patterson's game, but the reason why Patterson's getting paid is 'cause he's, how young he has been and how productive he's been. He needs to be better, he can be better, and they absolutely need to get him to that level to earn that contract, absolutely. But to contextualize why Patterson's getting paid what he is and why JT's getting paid what he is, it's 'cause JT was 20, 30 years old when his new contract kicked in. Patterson 25 and how far out-produced anything a guy like JT had done up until the age of 25. And also like, you know, it's also a product of JT's own design, right? He catches in at 99 point season, but if he went to market, what would that have looked like? And he chose to sign with a year left in his deal that, you know, wasn't paying him more than $6 million. And like, the deal is kicked in this year. So if he waited to go to market, maybe he could have gotten more. He chose to sign the deal and that's the reality. I don't think that's the one that sets a limit on the Canucks team building contract. - No, I'm there with you. Keep your thoughts coming into our text unbox. 650, 650, this one here says, a serious question, you replay the same game 10 times. How many times did the Canucks win at eight, nine times? Hashtag, no days off, hashtag, work hard, this text message. Is that fair to say if they play this game the same way they win at eight or nine times? - That's like at least seven. - I think seven, I think, I don't know eight or nine 'cause there are things they missed the net so much. Yes, they had some chances, but you had 84 shot attempts and only 18 made it on the net. So to me, it wasn't like nine out of 10 times to win this game. Somebody else texted in and said, that shot, Pedersen missed. Is that the one time out of 100 he'd missed that shot? Like wide open on the power play? - Wide open, right. It's just, yeah, Josh in mission, realistically, Pedersen puts that in 99 times out of 100. Just didn't get that, get that tonight. That's Josh in this. - Souter had one, Joshua had one. Brock Pesser had one right in front of the net. It just, man, hit the net. - Yeah. - I know I said we've mentioned that a lot, but it's kind of-- - You hit the net, this game's totally different. It wasn't quite smashing grab by the pred so they get the early lead. They obviously get a couple of goals, but I feel that way at the end of it. I'm sure a lot of fans feel this way. Then we've gotten a lot of techs to be like, I'm so frustrated by this game because you can see they carry play. You can see they create a chances. You can see they hit scene passes. It'd be one thing if they tried the scene passes that kept getting deflected out of play or something like that. They hit the scene passes. They just didn't hit the net. - Yeah, no, that's the problem, right? And I think that's a big difference here tonight. You hit the net on a few of these chances. It might be a completely different outcome. All right, let's continue on the phone boards. Let's go to Abbotsford where we have James online. James, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts tonight? - Hey guys, hope you're doing great. - Yes, sir, thank you. - I wanted to call and say, I was really excited today to experience the arena and the atmosphere you guys described. And I was disappointed to see that there were empty seats in my section. And there's empty seats because they're priced too darn high. I wanted to call in basically to say that it's real disappointing that I splurged to make my brother do a game. I did the best I could. And the only game I've got to go to is a fear because there cost too much. And I left here, Richie Catlin is born more than one. I wonder who you guys thought. Thanks guys. - Hey, thanks for the phone call. And I mean, the atmosphere tonight wasn't quite as raucous as game one. I think that's fair to say. I think it started off pretty good. It was pretty bad, you know, pretty big damper. And as soon as they score like 30 seconds in and then after that, it really went down. - This building would go chasey chance, 70 seconds in the game and 74 seconds in the game. Goal games. - Yeah. And I mean, in terms of empty seats and stuff like that. So the Canucks announced they sold 18,960 seats, which is pretty close to a sellout. The thing too that has happened, you see the resale tickets that are for sale. How many of those were resale tickets on sale versus tickets not bought and everything like that. But I do think it's fair that the overall atmosphere tonight was not quite as raucous. And part of it is how the game went. The Canucks were down one nothing after the first. And honestly, when a Nashville went up to nothing, then three nothing, you could hear a pin drop. - Oh yeah. - Like it went really quiet. And the Canucks never really got back in the game really in a significant way. When Zadorov scored, of course, it got loud. But yeah, if you were expecting the same atmosphere as game one, that obviously was not delivered tonight. And in terms of pricing for tickets, hey, that's always gonna be a topic of conversation for the postseason, but 18,960 were sold. And a lot of the ones that were available were resale tickets. So they had already been bought. And they were being resold by people that have bought those tickets. So perhaps that causes a bit of an issue on it. Now, before we get to more phone calls, you wanted to have a take there on Noah Juleson. We had people asking about Noah Juleson as well that the caller before had some stuff said about Noah Juleson as well. - Yeah, we got caught off by the break there. Look, the two penalties, the interference penalty, that's not so dissimilar to the one Ian Cole did to create the Lindholm goal in the first period. Maybe he creates contact a little bit earlier. And the slashing penalty, I just thought it was a pad pass that looked like Juleson maybe got a stick on the hands. Like he definitely gets a stick on the hands, but it's the love tap. It's a feather touch there on that play by Pavilion. And I think he makes a great play actually on that whole sequence because it's a stretch pass. Like we know the predators like to do. And Juleson breaks up the play and allows himself to get back into it. And it's a small touch on Pavilion and it gets called as a penalty, all right. But you know, I thought he was really physical. Like he blows up Cole Smith, Cole Smith goes off kind of holding his chin, his jaw. He used physical throughout the course of this night. I'm just bringing up his stat sheet. He winds up playing just 1,124, just such a departure from when we saw the demon usage last game ends up with five hits. Like I thought Noah Juleson, like he wasn't Tyler Myers who played so well in game one, but I thought Noah Juleson did more than enough. And those penalties just felt unfortunate. - Yeah, but I thought the Canucks PK was solid too. Now he obviously wasn't on for a couple of them 'cause he was sitting in the penalty box tonight. - Yeah, he ended up playing 204 on the bottom. - Yeah, but I thought the Canucks did a really good job not letting Nashville get set up a lot tonight. You know, so I thought the PK as much as the power play they, and the thing with power play was it wasn't like they weren't getting chances. The first power play was atrocious. They barely got set up and everything. But since then, they created about five or six great opportunities, just didn't finish them off, which again, is a story of this game in so many different ways. Not finishing your chances. And of course, not getting enough shots on goal. All right, keep your thoughts coming in. Let's take one more phone call here and let's go to North then where we have Stu on the line. Stu, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? - Hey, gentlemen, thanks for taking my call as always. You know, I like to call in and even when I'm on a hole, I just like hearing you guys and hearing any other people calling. And you know, despite how long I was on a hole, it was still way less. And it felt like between passes and shots to connect to having a power play tonight, that was, that was a bit of a tough one. And I mean, I think the two earlier to call tonight that definitely stood out. You know, the guy saying that, oh, the KSC chance, you know, rattled him. It's like, he's a professional. You talk to any pro athlete, they're going to say that, like, they just tune it out. They've been there before. If anything, how many times do the Canucks and the fan base get told? Oh, you guys are too quiet. You know, you guys suck. You guys are not true fans. It's like, now we're finally showing some passion. And then it's like, oh, no, but that's the wrong kind of passion. You can't do that with your team. It's like, come on, man. And then for the guy, given Myers some, you know, trouble for missing the game for the flu. It's like, so, okay, so you want him to be around everyone else, potentially spread it to the rest of the team. And then we get bounced in like two games because everyone's sick. I mean, so I guess in his mind Tyler Myers causes the Stanley Cup. But I digress. I mean, I think back to a call I made to you guys after a post-game show about a month ago. And it was essentially saying that, you know, come to playoffs, whatever happens, you know, we're going to look back on who performed and who didn't. You know, obviously, the Demko thing is big. Talk it same week to week. That's a kick in the pants. But the fact that right now, you know, I love Zidorov. The fact he has as many points as Besser, Peterson, and Miller combined, that is not good. And if this series is the only playoffs that we have this year in round one, and if we get bounced in, you know, six, seven games, whatever, and if the stat sheet does not look good, we all know what the discourse and conversation will be in the off season. And the big contract aside or whatnot, but that aside, just the way it looked tonight, it was troubling and the missed shots, the turnovers, how many missed shots, you know, Joshua, Peterson, whatever, something was very concerning. And of all the guys in the eyes who should have been most nervous to Smith, he probably looked the most sound. Everyone else looked like it was their first playoff game. I get you don't have, you know, your God all star goalie in that. But I mean, when they were in the offensive zone, they had pressure. They were just no follow-up and the amount of passing back and forth, back and forth, it was just way too long. All the players had time in the world to set up. Soros is a good goalie. He is going to stop those shots unless he is completely screened. He's going to stop those shots 10 out of 10 times. The fact that we took so long to pass back and forth, that's not going to happen. Going in the natural, that's a rocket's town, that's a good American hockey market. I do worry that this was a real bit of a knee jerk reaction, not just for the fan base, but for the players. We come back to Vancouver, down 3-1. I just, you know, I'm just going to cook your wrap up here. I'm 35 now. I've been a connect fan since I was about 10, 11 years old. And I've, you know, had the ups and the downs. And I'm trying in these most recent years to not as get emotionally connected to the point where my mood, you know, how I am with my friends or my coworkers is affected by the Canucks. Because that's not healthy. That's not good for me. And for right now, you know what, the regular season was so much fun. I'm just glad the boys are back in the playoffs. There's a lot of crazy crap happening in the world right now. So if the worst thing that happens to you, me, everyone else who watched the game is that we lost a sports game. We're having a pretty good night. So I'm going to hang up and then I'll listen to you guys. Thank you. Hey, thanks for the phone call. That's still calling and showing some good perspective. Don't take things too seriously. And the coach said a lot of that stuff himself. He's like, hey, you know, these guys have to enjoy hockey. And you can't, you know, get too down on yourself. You have to stay positive. And he feels good about where the Canucks are at. Hey, look, in a game, when you take 80 shot attempts, you know, I know it's tough to hear that like they were the better team tonight. You just hit some empty nets, suit or better said. Joshua, this game could have flipped so easily. Yeah, but yeah, back to the phone lines. Yeah, let's take another phone call here. Let's go to White Rock where we have Steve on the line. Steve, thanks for calling in. What are you thoughts tonight? All right, let's put Steve on hold. Let's even get him back in. Let's go to North Van where we have Victor on the line. If you are listening, please turn your radio down. If you're on hold, that's going to cause some problems. Well, let's go to North Van where we have Victor on the line. What's happening, Victor? Hey, boys. First off, I have to say, yeah, I mean, we're a better team, but we lost to a way desperate team, for sure. I was frustrated during the game. Any player that has a lot of things with Forsberg, they give me PTSD. That guy was a beast tonight. And I just had a question though. It was just a general inquiry. That second goal that Forsberg scored on like his backhand, on a backhand forehand, up top shelf of the Smith, up the left side there. I just felt like Susie was just out of place, or there was no communication between Susie and the Smith, because I felt like either the Smith should have gone out further to take that goal and take that player, or if Susie should have taken it. Because I knew Susie was covering for his back end, but then I saw Garland just near the tail end there that, yeah, it was just interesting as to the lack of communication, and it just looked like there was a big communication, because they just made Forsberg just walk right in there, and I just want to get your thoughts on that. And gold browns, gold browns. I love it, thanks to the phone call, gold browns. No wonder why you went to that caller. So I think that one's about, look, like cut off half the net, because if Susie commits to Forsberg, is he going to slip that back door to Ryan O'Reilly and to Smith at that stage, there's no chance. And look, Phillip Forsberg makes an unbelievable play, going back end, getting Casey the Smith down and scooping that up. And by the way, I want to talk about this as well. I forgot to mention this about Juleson, if people screaming at the radio, but he was on the ice with that gold. We talked about that in the intermission about, like there's a loose puck in Juleson's committed to going after, and if he pokes it up the wall, Josh was there, and there's your zone exit. It's Lindholm who's covering for Juleson in that moment. And when that loose puck happens, it's a handful of feet that Lindholm kind of squirts up the wall. It looks like he wants to go support that play. And if there's a contested job there by Nyquist and Juleson, does it squirt out to the dot and know Lindholm's there? Well, Lindholm creeps up too high. That puck comes down the wall, and Lindholm can't recover to block off Forsberg in that moment. I don't have a problem with what Juleson did there. So that's why I was like, hey, on the totality of the night, I thought Juleson did fine, but that's just my read on it. Maybe the coach feels differently, and that's why he only gets 11 minutes of ice time tonight. Yeah, maybe that plays a part into it. On the Forsberg, well, I thought Lindholm too, on that one a little bit. I think he's the guy that has to kind of protect the middle, and it puts the other defender. And one thing that I thought was interesting on that, we're going to talk to Woodley tomorrow on Canucks Central. He's always on on Wednesdays. But he kind of mentioned that, you know, the Smith on the post, like he's not always great, and you saw what Forsberg did, right? Just pull them inside a little bit. He moves off the post, and it goes high. It's great finish by Phillip Forsberg too. But you know, one of those plays where you can't leave that guy alone in front, and they, him and O'Reilly work to puck down low, and then Lindholm kind of loses his man. The next thing you know is the back of your neck. And the previous caller mentioned that he thought Smith looked very confident tonight, I don't know. Like there was a moment in the first period, Forsberg takes a shot, and he spills it in front of him. Canucks get the clear, he fights it. And then, you know, Forsberg takes a similar shot later, and it's right in the skates, he goes to go poke it. It just happens to his skate, and it just, it looks like scrambling Casey to Smith. I don't know if that, we discussed this a few months ago, or a few weeks ago, if a scenario presented itself, when, if that tranemco is going to miss games, you know, Casey to Smith gets the first shot. Is the door open enough, or is that, that environment in Nashville still going to go to the veteran over the rookie? Yeah, I mean, one thing I do think is like, I don't think Casey to Smith has this big hold on, you know, the backup position and the starting net mining position. And you and I, we had a spirited debate about this a few weeks back, right? About, hey, what's the next game tonight? All I said was, and people were like, you don't understand hockey, sat, and I told, I told every single one of you. I told every single one of you. You advocated for what was going to happen. What I, what I said was, we were talking about a few games left, who should play, you know, the remaining games. I'm like, you got to give to Smith at least a game or two here, before the season ends, because no matter what you and I think about this, this game, if the need arises in the playoffs, and Demko goes down, and somebody has to start a game, it's going to be this myth. And people said, you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know hockey. It's going to be Shillov's. Well, you saw it tonight and went the case of this myth. But it doesn't mean he has a stranglehold on his position. I'd, I'd be surprised if Shillov's plays game three. To me, it's, to me, game four is the one to look at. If Shillov's in game three doesn't play well. I mean, just Smith. This myth, I think Shillov's gets in for game four. I think we could, there's a good chance we see Shillov's on these next couple games. Would it shock me if Shillov's plays game three? It wouldn't, the only thing I wonder about that is, with how to Smith play, he didn't play poorly, but you know, gave up, you know, three goals on 15 shots, right? Like, because one was an empty net goal that they scored. So he'd let in three goals of 15 shots. Do they feel like his game's not there? But if you go to Shillov's, he doesn't play, then is there going to be an issue of confidence for game four? If Shillov's tanks, I just wonder if it's too soon to go to your third strangle, which is your final kind of card to play here? Or do you play that card as soon as game three? Maybe it's a bit of desperation if you do it in game three. I don't know. I still think, you know, even going into today, I understand you're talking about the reality that would have presented itself, and it's the veteran. For me, it's like the higher upside play is Shillov's. Yes. And he's pedigree, like, very successful around the world championships. I know very different, but now I wonder if the environment in Nashville, is it a big one to throw Shillov's in there? Yeah. So you might just have to wait till game four. That's kind of how I see it, and I'll see if it ultimately comes to pass there. I would still advocate for the guy, but yeah, I like Shillov's. I just don't know if he's significantly better. That's what I'm saying. And the numbers were very similar at the end of the season. Like, it's not like, you know, the one guy was spectacular and the other guy wasn't. All right. Keep your thoughts coming into our text and inbox. Let's take one more phone call here before we hit the break and get to some player audio post game. We'll hear from Elias Patterson as well. Let's go to Langley, where we have Matt on the line. Matt, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? All right, let's go to Nizar in Maple Ridge. Let's go. Not Bic, but in Nizar in Maple Ridge. How's it going, guys? Good, Matt. What's going on? I went to game one and went to game two, and obviously we're at the game tonight as well. And I feel, I don't feel so bad after this game. I mean, I get it. I mean, we missed a bunch of empty netters. I mean, this game could have been a blowout, in my opinion, if the Canucks just took every opportunity and especially early in the game. That deflection doesn't happen early in the game. National is not up when nothing. I don't know. I think this game could have gotten in a multiple directions. The other good thing is that I feel like we saw more of Patterson. I know he didn't have success tonight, but I felt like he wasn't just floating around and he wasn't absent, which I think in game one, we saw a lot of that. But game two, I think, we saw him with a puck more, he handled it. Number three, I think, and this was kind of interesting. I was talking to a couple of my buddies that were at the game tonight. It just felt like a really long power play all game. They just kept passing the puck around all game. Whether they had a power play or didn't have a power play, even on five on five, it just felt like it was the same type of game that they were playing, and they were just not getting little shots on that. But Nashville was hemmed in their zone. I don't know what the offensive zone time was for tonight. I don't know if you guys have that stat, but it felt like we had way more than Nashville did, and that's probably a positive going into game three. Sorry, what's that where you're looking for just really quickly? The offensive zone versus Nashville heading. Yeah. Thanks a lot for the call. 604-2800-650. Do you have that number there? Yeah, so overall total possession for the Canucks tonight was 57.6%. In the offensive zone, they had 16 minutes and 29 seconds. Nashville had 11 minutes and 24 seconds, so it's a five-minute gap. And I think game one was, I think, 90 seconds. So the Canucks carried the play in game one, and certainly tonight as well. Again, 16 minutes overwhelmingly the Canucks most possessed zone this evening. Yeah, and it's a lot of zone time. And you know, I'm just looking now, the puck was just in Nashville zone, whether the loose puck, Preds had possession, whatever it is, for 26 minutes. Yeah, nearly half the game, nearly half the game in the Preds zone. Yeah, it's a lot of time, just not enough to show for it. Only one goal for the Canucks here tonight. All right, we'll get to more of your reaction on the other side. We are going to get to Canucks players' post game with, they had to say plus we'll hear from from Ian McIntyre as a Canucks Central post game show continues presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks sportsnet 650. Miss any part of Alfred and Bruff in the morning? Subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcast and don't miss an episode. This is where you talk Canucks. You're listening to the Canucks Central Post game show on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. Right side Julesin fakes the shot, passes left circle and is deflected away from C.C. into the corner. But he wins a battle to get it to Lafferty behind the net. Lafferty, right wing for D.G. Giuseppe. Spinning on the near wall, Predators line is tired, Canucks have them hemmed in. Ian Call, left wing, Zadorov shoots, he scores. Nikita Zadorov off the bench, rips it past U.C. Sorrows and the Canucks are on the board. It's three to one. Big Z with a big goal for the Vancouver Canucks. To get them back in this, the Canucks do a good job of working off the cycle. The fourth line, Julesin Giuseppe finds Ian Call who finds Nikita Zadorov coming fresh off the bench going downhill with a heavy risker that ends up beating. You guessed it, U.C. Sorrows, Lafferty side yet again. Gives his Vancouver Canucks team a little bit of hope with four minutes and 27 seconds left in the second period. Canucks get one, closer is Nikita Zadorov but they ultimately lose. Four one on Holmice against the National Predators. A series is tied at one and this is the Canucks Central Postgame show presented by the number five orange. Keep your thoughts coming in to our tax them box, 650, 650, and we will get to some more of those as a show goes on here. But we mentioned, Bick, we are going to hear from Canucks players postgame. And let's get the thoughts of a player a lot of people we're talking about. Elias Patterson, a lot of criticism tonight. The coach mentioned how he needs to shoot the puck a bit more, had nine shot attempts, none hit the goal, but mentioned this is good for him. He's got to find his game and once he gets through it it will be better for him long-term. But hopefully he does find his game soon and here is Elias Patterson postgame meeting with the media. No, I just knew I had to open it and then when the puck stood on high edge by the way I got a score. This team has done so well on bearing down game effort game. Is there any frustration right now? I mean maybe it's some frustration right now after I mean I had a I put it in the basketball with my mistake on their third goal. It can happen if I score. If I score in the first period, it's a one-one game. Maybe it's a different outlook so yeah. Just Pete overall, I'm not just your chance but it seems like he has a lot of ways to commit and just so many plays like you're the red hat close because I feel like you're doing some new things though. Yeah of course I think we are creating our looks, we are creating scoring chances. They're doing a good job blocking shots so we've got to find a way to get them through. So he's got to look at videos to see if we can be better. What's tough is it not to get frustrated after the game like that? I mean I'm always my biggest, biggest critic and I take a lot of blame for this one. So yeah. How do you bounce back from that net? How do you kind of brush this off and move into the next game? While we learn and forget this one, see what we can do better. I see what we're doing. Just be ready for game three. They're blocking a lot of shots at least and you guys have a lot of shot attempts. How do you get those pucks to where they need to get through them blocking them? So yeah, they're doing a good job. Like I said, we can, if we need to get some more shots from low, get some calls on chaos, they're low, shoots with tips, here's to get them through because they have like one, two layers to get through because they're doing a good job blocking. That is the latest peterson post game and mentions, you know, obviously things could be different if he scores, puts a lot of it on himself as well, didn't sound overly enthused, of course, after that game. But it's clear they need more out of their star young, young star player, right? It's, you know, it wasn't like he was invisible because, you know, people mentioned him being involved and just not doing enough and missing that great opportunity as well. It's just one of those things where I'm not sure it's, I thought coming into this game, he scores one, he might feel better about things like how close do you think his game is because sometimes it seems like he's close. Other times it seems like he's, he's a ways off. It doesn't quite seem like a player who's about to turn a corner and just explode offensively either. No, again, it's the nine shot attempts, it goes into the empty net where we're having a totally different conversation, but you know, you can hear that frustration of like, did one mistake bleed into another, right? You don't get that goal. Is it on your mind for the rest of the way and that boneheaded mistake, passing it to nobody and creating this opportunity for the predators. Who was it that picks that puck up? It was bovillier, right? Yeah, Zucker feeds it to bovillier gets that shot off. Like that that played, you know, this is where we talk about the highs and lows, right? You can't let that low dictate your play moving forward and in a two one game, right? Like you're carrying players like two nothing game, you're carrying play that the chances will come, especially with how aggressive Nashville is and stays like the the the door of goal is created because lows on flies out of the zone on a loose puck that he thinks is going to get retrieved and Julesson steps up so we can play as Noah Julesson made. Yeah, steps up creates a turnover puts it back into the zone. Like they are going to stay aggressive. You will you will get your chances if you wait because they always want to push the tempo and here's this moment where you're just going to make a good play and he doesn't and knocks you down three nothing instead of two nothing on a chance to move up the ice. Yeah, no kidding. Like this tech says, how did PD not score? No wonder he's not shooting can't hit an empty net. So it's it's one of those things. I mean, but he was shooting there and here's a funny thing nine attempts, but there were all some times where he could have shot the puck and didn't the best one being on the power play. The one, you know, he's got a it's not quite as wide open, but he has a chance to try to feed it across to Garland and to make the better easier place, so to speak, and they don't connect on it. We do have a lot of text messages. I wanted to hit a couple of these here. This one here says, what about Brock, Besser, Connor, Garland, and Nils Hoaglander. These guys show up tonight. We spoke a bit about Hoaglander and he hasn't really shown much now through two games, of course, and Besser. I know somebody else texted in and said, maybe they should have traded Besser when they had the chance. He's too slow for the post season, and I think those things are a little premature. It's only two games in, right? And, you know, Eric and Maple Ridge saying he might be too slow for the post season. I do think his lack of pace is something that does hold them back at times. And one question, and we're going to find out more as the playoffs go on here, is that going to be a hindrance for him to be at a higher peak in the playoffs? And it's still something that's not fully determined yet, because only a couple of games in. He had a great chance again, like if he scores on that chance and he's in alone, there's a different discussion about him, right? It's a fair question, but one we don't quite have answers to, but if you're expecting Besser to be a guy that's going to showcase speed, that's not his game either, right? Like you're asking someone to do something that they're not really capable of and haven't showcased. It's not that he's not a good player. It's just if you're asking for an injection of speed from Brock Besser, then you're going to find yourself frustrated because you're asking for something that's not real. Yeah. And the thing is, someone else texted in, which I thought it was a harsh text, but nevertheless, I'll read it here, 650, 650. Who are our top six forwards besides Miller for the Canucks, right? And, you know, one thing that you notice is, and look, the game's more complex than this, but I think if you're pulling a town, sometimes people just want to see somebody take somebody on and enter the zone with speed and fly by the winger or the demand with some speed on the flanks. Miller's really the only one that's doing it, right? Besser is not going to showcase that speed. Pew scooter's not going to showcase that speed. Nils Hoaglander's fought the puck. And he's more short area quickness, and he is entering the zone flying pass away, and Sam Lafferty and Ilya McKay have their level of creativity when entering the zone. They have speed, but they're not threatening people with their stick handling, so they have to chip it in and go by people. And Patterson's skating, again, he's not the best skater. The balance isn't there. The short area quickness can be there, and the agility can be there because of a stick handling, but he's not a pure burner. And so, who's dictating terms to privateers' demand when they enter the zone? It's really just a team right now. They have top six forwards, Brock Besser can score goals. Ilya Patterson is a top six forward. I understand the frustrations in the text, but as far as visually at times, of who is injecting their personality into it and playing with a certain level of desire that's very relatable for people at this level of the season and play-offs. It does look like it's JT Miller at times, even if the overall output right now is JT Miller's got one point. Connor Garland's got one point. Brock Besser's got one point. Ilya Patterson's got zero points and is a dash four right now. It's got to be better. It just has to be better. You're absolutely right about that. All right, Ian McIntyre is going to join us soon, but you mentioned JT Miller. Here is the Canucks forward post-game talking about how much desperation the Preds had tonight. They play well. They did what they had to do at least to win the game. We got a couple breakdowns that let us behind the eight ball and then they're comfortable sitting on the lead and blocking a lot of shots. JT Miller seems to be our reluctance to shoot the puck for all of us for the handling. What do you see over there? I see a yellow jersey on the way. So I could say shoot every puck for sure, but we've got some good players that make the play that's in front of us and we can start blasting get up in the 40s and 50s into them, but sometimes there's guys in the way and they're trying to play a defense against us. So it's hard. Do you still think you've got one on the power play? Yeah, the power play could have done it for us today. I mean, we had a lot of chances 5 on 5 that just missed. We need to break through and we still had a couple. I mean, we still have some off the post. P.D. had the one. It's not all bad. I'm passing up a couple shots here and there, but you know, they got bodies in the way sometimes and it's hard. I mean, that's the difference. They got, you know, I feel like we didn't give them hardly anything today and they made it, made their our mistakes count and we didn't. So when you see so many yellow jersey puck shots, I'll say that's a simple question, but it's easy answer. How do you get them through there? You got to get layers at the net and you got to find the sticks and it's hard to do. And we had those moments today. We just didn't capitalize. So it's not all bad. I controlled a lot of play again. You know, we seem to bear down and keep having numbers at the net and let's not get off. Canucks hockey to go try to find goals because if we stay with it, they'll come. Look over there guys, if you want to get into it, you look like you attempted a lot of slot passes. Do they have tough for those to finish? Well, that's why I'm slot passing because there's not Ryan McDonald's in the way every single time. So I mean, it's uh, we had good looks off those. Not going to work every time, but I can fire slappers into those jerseys all day long, but sometimes they're there. So those are the sticks we're trying to find. That is JT Miller after a 4-1 loss on home ice, the series with the national predators in the first round. And the Canucks is now tied at one game apiece. And to make sense of it all, we're calling in our closer than then. You know, as a triple threat, you watch them on TV, you read them on digital, and you're about to hear them on radio. He is Ian McIntyre. Great. I'm going to disappoint you yet again, Seth. You can't make sense of it? Yes. That's exactly right. You expect me to make sense of that? When was the first time you disappointed us? Oh, well, probably the first show. Oh, no. I can't think of a first or a last time you disappointed us. Stop it. Stop it. It's true. I honestly, I've seen a lot of hockey over the years. Haven't seen enough playoff games the last 10 years. Yeah. Not in this building anyways. But I honestly don't know what to make of a game like that. If it was regular season, you just say, oh, well, tough luck. Not their night. Outplayed them, outchanced them. You know, nine times out of 10, well, I was going to say nine times out of 10 did win that game, probably 29 times out of 30 did win that game, except it's not the regular season. This is game two of the Stanley Cup playoffs, the second playoff game in nine years. And I think if the theme is that this was all about, you know, bad luck and untimely finishing, I think that's dismissive of the predators who obviously have lots of grit to go with their skill and a lot of brave players in blocking that number of shots. I think for starters, the winning strategy is not giving up a goal at 74 seconds against a team like that. That might be good. Yes. And, you know, let's, how about a power play goal that might help too? That too. Yeah. And then there's all kinds of things you can talk about, you know, their shot selection, because, you know, they obliterated franchise marks tonight, like for shot attempts, opposition blocks, misnets, you know, 18 out of 84 ended up on target. So, so what do they need to do to get more on target? And what do they need to do to just have better shot selection as well? I mean, there were so many times, you know, and I get the benefit of sitting next to sad in the press box now, so you don't get all the fun post game. I get, I get two and a half hours of sad live during the game. I'm eavesdropping. I hear you guys. And, you know, we were talking several times about guys passing up shots as many shots as they had. Some of them, a lot of them were empty calories. And then there were other times they had quality shooting positions and whether it's because they're having such a hard time hitting the net or they think Saros is hot. And I hope they're not going to turn Saros into retro Saros because he has not been all that good this year. But, you know, whatever it is, they're not, it seems taking shots, obvious shots that are there. I mean, sometimes they're over complicating things. Sometimes they're overthinking it. If, if Elias Petterson has the puck on his stick and space, 25 feet from the goal and can measure a shot, like pick his spot, I'd like him to shoot the puck. You know, Brock Besser, 40 goal scorer, and I can't remember which rebound it was. He came up with the puck in front and yes, his back was slightly to goal, but he had room to turn, you know, 12 feet in front of the net. Instead, he forced a pass somewhere. Like, I, I can see why talk it is saying, you know, and he said it about Petterson, but I think it applies to the team. Like, you've got, if the shot is there, take it. You've got to take it and be decisive. I like that part of it as, as well, because at times, and especially on the power play, you know, the puck was moving around tonight, but players weren't really moving around tonight on the power play. And there, you know, a lot of guys standing and trying to make plays with the puck. Yeah, as Target talked about yesterday, you know, it's a team that seems to be in love with the set plays. They're constantly trying to set up guys for the one timer or the shot pass, redirect at the side of the net at the back post. And sometimes you, you need to, as Target said, get road hockey goals, like just generate goals by getting the puck and bodies to the net and, and see how that goes. But I mean, all this said, you know, the, the shot, the shot attempts were when it finished 84 35. Yeah. And I know, because I wrote it down, at the point of the late Zadorov penalty with 90 sections to go, it was, it was 84 29. And at that point, the predators had blocked more shots than they had taken on Casey to Smith, which I've never seen. Yeah, hockey game ever. And so, I mean, Vancouver did do a lot right. But you certainly can't leave this game and get complacent and say, well, we, if we just do that again, we'll be okay. I don't think it's that simple. I think they need to think of some ways, some better ways to break down the predators. And I think they need better shot selection as well. Well, leaves me frustrated because some of the passes that they may sat does. Yeah, that's a daily occurrence. I don't have enough. I wish we could have just had that look, that eye roll and that, that forlorn shake of your head on, on television. I really don't have enough airtime. That's going to give me an hour show to discuss these things. But like, some of the passes they attempted, like the pet or someone to Garland, some of the JT slap passes, like these are high degree difficulty plays and see, think, well, you have the confidence to try to pull off these really difficult passes, but you don't have the confidence to shoot it. And like, that's where I wonder what the line between is, you know, confidence and over-complicating it and fear or whatever it is. Because we talked about it earlier, it's like, oh, they just want to have confidence to shoot. But they're trying very difficult plays. Yeah, the shot pass, I don't really mind because there's a lot of things that you can generate from that. But it's the lateral passes, you know, trying to pick it through three sticks, like, come on, that generally doesn't work anyways. And it's probably not going to work against that team, especially, you know, the top ender, their defense is so good. And then even somebody like Luke Chan at the bottom of the defense who's so smart and so experienced, like they're not going to give you the freeze stuff, the easy stuff. I think a lot of it, though, is about confidence. I think Pedersen especially, like Pedersen, Pedersen epitomizes sort of the bigger problem with tonight's game. But he's, you know, 92.8 million dollar player. He's sort of the biggest example of a guy like nine shot attempts tonight, zero on net, zero for nine. And one of them was an open net that I don't even know what the percentage that he would normally put that in. And by the way, it's not like it's like four missed, seven were blocked, right? But all for nine. And yet, when we think about his game, we think about the times he didn't shoot. So what kind of shots was he taking when he was going over nine and what kind of shots was he passing up? And I think it's entirely about confidence and your feeling with the puck. You know, there was a second period power play where he and Quinn almost turned it square without pressure. Like just two got two of the most skilled players in the world. And, and I think, you know, in that case, it was probably some bad ice too. And Quinn doesn't have any issues. You know, he's, he's just pretty much brilliant all the time. But it just shows you like the first goal, he slips in the corner that starts off that whole sequence. Oh, but like, how many times is Quinn using this? Yeah, well, he does blow a tire semi regular because he takes such tight circles. Yeah. I'm trying to even think now of the play. You've implanted a thought in my head, which is a dangerous thing. And he slips at it. The first goal. Oh, okay, whips around the person doesn't win a battle against Bovillier. Yeah, but I mean, in the end, it's just like a fluke deflection. Yeah, I mean, it's a deflection. But, you know, from that far out with where this myth was going, or maybe I shouldn't say fluke because that does sound dismissive, doesn't it? But, you know, Smith, that that that puck isn't going to go in very, very often. Like this, it was perfectly bad timing, where this myth is looking around the far side, round O'Reilly, while the puck has been deflected and is going to the near side. And because he's a six foot goalie and not a six foot six goalie just didn't come close to getting there. But now I lost my point. I don't know what I was on. Let's go to the next one. Well, I was gonna, you know, a lot. Let's run the tape back. Can we have a review on a text inbox, lots? Let's just start the show over. Let's start the segment over. We'll edit this part out. Just put a new section in. People then listen to it. We're just like, yeah, it'll just, it was striking from the record. Forget everything that I was said the last like 10 minutes. But Lotso texted and asked the question. Lotso. Lotso. Lotso. The national is effective occupying the net in front of the blocking shots to the Canucks change your strategies or keep peppering the shots and try to get them through because the code said if they keep doing these things that'll work, they're also trying to set screens up and they want traffic. And I guess that's the fine line. There's more traffic. The goal he has a harder time seeing it, but it's also harder for the shot to get through. But the code seems pretty confident that if they keep doing what they're doing, they will have success. But it's now two games in a row, Ian. They've had a hard time getting shots through. So maybe it's as simple as shooting it faster, but maybe some adjustment in some ways in order because through two games, you're having a very hard time getting those shots through. Yeah. Yeah. And I think even when they do get them through, they don't seem to be winning retrievals very much. I mean, you can shoot to miss as well. I wish that's what they were trying to do tonight, but they weren't. But I mean, you can shoot to miss and get a rebound off the board and that causes its own problems. Yeah. I don't think there's a magic solution to trying to be the team that blocks a lot of shots other than to get them away quickly and get them away hard and some will get through and maybe some knocks some guys down. I mean, there was consecutive games this year where a Philip Ronik slap shot injured a player, put them out of the lineup. And, you know, I guarantee you it's not fun to block shots and especially when they're from people like Ronik and Miller and Patterson and even Quinn's wrist shot has so much velocity on it now. So I think, I think you do have to, you can't, let's put it this way. You can't just pull up and hold the puck when guys are in front because, you know, a stall is almost as good as a block, right? You're not doing anything with the puck and eventually, you know, the other team will get it. So, you know, you need to be decisive. I think you need to keep shooting. But I think you can, you can still have better shot selection. And maybe as you say, Sat, you shoot it, you shoot it quicker or you, you know, shoot, shoot more for the tips, shoot more for the redirects and stuff. I don't like the only thing I'll say about the shot pass big. And I said, the only other thing I'll say, 'cause I think that's what I was on about when you planted that clock. But it's, the one thing about the shot pass is if it's, if it's really angular and it's not deflected, then it's almost out of the zone, right? Like it's, it's, it's high risk in that way. But it's an effective tool to change the angle and try and get pucks on net. And most times the shot pass, it's at least going to hit somebody. Like it usually doesn't go through cleanly. Pinball drill, basically. Yeah. And so you get it on net or it hits their defencemen and go, like they almost had the friendly fire. Yeah. What's it? Carrier off Carrier's skate and then flush off the post. And again, most of the time that probably bounces in, but it, it bounces flush off the post and back out. Maybe that was when that might have been the sequence I was thinking of where Besser collected the puck and then forced a pass when he could have just spawned and shot on. Anyways, we'll see what happens next game. It, it's hard to be too critical of them because they did the Canucks dominate possession. But I think you have to recognize, you know, it was one nothing and minute in. It was three nothing before the game was halfway over. And you know, you can't, you can't play games. That's not a winning form, generally against anybody, but especially against a team is willing to pack the front of it. Yeah. Park the bus, as they say, and yes, yes, to park the bus and eat as many pucks as the predators are willing to eat. That's not a winning formula. Thoughts on Casey the Smith? Yeah, I felt badly for him on the first. I felt badly for him generally because it's such when you haven't played, it's been 10 days since he played and he played well. You know, that was the game in Edmonton that they essentially clinched the Pacific Division. He goes 10 days without playing suddenly he's got to play a playoff game, which he's only done once before, even though he's been around pro, pro hockey for a bunch of years. And then the first one bounces in and then he hardly sees the puck again. Like that's, that's a really, really difficult circumstances for him. I don't think, I don't think they're going to lose the series because of goal tending if they lose this series. The Canucks should be able to get past a team like the predators with competent goal tending because they've been Vancouver such a good team defensively. They've been such a good team territorially the second half of the season. I mean, they went from being, you know, this high scoring kind of flight. I shouldn't say flighty like not dependable, but their reputation around the league at the start of the season was, well, that's kind of quaint. Yeah, they're scoring some goals. Look at the shooting percentage. Look at the save percentage, wow, that's, you know, it's not going to last really not that good to all of a sudden, you know, look at, look at their metrics and look at how little they yielded the last third of the season and how good they were territorially and how often they outplayed the other team. They just have to keep doing that. And if they do that for five more games, I'm confident that they can win three of them, but it's not easy on dismiss. There's, there's so much, there's so much pressure, there's so much psychology that goes into being a goalie and there's circumstances that are easier and circumstances that are harder. And this is definitely one of the harder circumstances. Well, it's tough to also blame a goalie when you only score one goal tonight, right? Yeah, I mean, the only way that's different, Demko makes a difference tonight is if he's playing forward and actually does, you know, gets pucks on net instead of into shin pads of, of defenders. Yeah, this wasn't had nothing to do with goal tending tonight. No, I'm with you on that one. Final word, where take goes to a text inbox, basketball fill says shooter shoot, keep shooting, see Jamal Murray yesterday, couldn't buy one until the fourth quarter, too much skill to keep missing. And yeah, Jamal Murray hit the game winner against my Lakers last night. I think it was a Canadian scoring the last bucket. Like the Lakers. Yeah, actually, Bick's going to tell me you like the Yankees too or the Red Sox. No, no, I can't. He offsets it by liking the Browns. Oh, yeah, of course. So it's one of my complaints is why they only give me an hour show. Here is one of the many campaigns Bickness are at it. I like the Browns as a kid, Brian site. Oh, yeah, I actually pulled a rubber inner tube over my elbow one time because that's how Brian site. It was probably that sat red of how he was inspired to become a Browns fan. Yeah. Yeah, I write about Jim Brown. And, you know, I don't need to get into it. That's a different story. You know, the rest is history. I am a Browns fan now. And it's not as bad recently as as in the past. But nonetheless, Ian, we look forward to Friday. You're going to be in Nashville. We'll talk to you from Nashville. It's a bit of an earlier puck drop for 30 our time. I guess that's five 30, I guess, writing time, writing is plenty of time. We're going a bit later. So we'll chat with you during a final segment. Again, and hopefully a better game to talk about on Friday. Yeah, well, hopefully a better result. I don't again. I don't know. Can the Canucks play better? Yeah, they can play better. But it was a pretty dominant game, territorially. But you can't be chasing the game against Nashville. So hopefully they're not behind early because I think Nashville will be a different team on home ice. In some ways, you know, it might be easier for the Canucks to try to break them down when Nashville's at home, because they're more likely not just to park the bus and eat pucks. It'll be a great atmosphere. This is this is the atmospheric series. Yeah, because these are great, great buildings at playoff time. Certainly. And we look forward to seeing what happens at Bridgestone Arena on Friday. Great stuff as always, Ian, breed as latest on SportsNet.ca. Fantastic as always. He's bickness are back on the people show tomorrow three to four. What's happening? The people are going to dominate the show six, oh, four, two, eight, oh, six, fifty, three o'clock. It's your show reacting to game two. See, bick is so lazy. He wants you to do all the work. All right. Special thanks, Alina here at the rink and special thanks, Eddie back in the studio. And thank you all for listening, participating. Uh, and Ben, Ben, I'm getting the extra help. Ben Ben here. Ben here. Get it right. Yeah, I'm not going to chirp Ben. I'll leave it. I'll leave it at that. All right. Great stuff as always. He shot 72 at St Andrews. Well, say no. Unbelievable. This is the Canucks post game show. It's not the St. Andrews voice game show. That doesn't help me tonight. Uh, I'm just kidding. Great stuff as always. Appreciate every single one of you for listening and participating. You've been listening to the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks SportsNet 650.
