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The Packers got back into it in the second half. It was back and forth and that was the key moment. Rodney Harrison, Mike Florio, PFT Live, presented by Accenture. On Peacock, Series 6M85, Sky Sports NFL and wherever you get your podcast plus clips on YouTube and at PFT. I don't know where else it shows up other places too. I don't know. I don't have the whole list. See you've had your coffee. I haven't had my coffee and I did not sleep well last night. Last night was one of those nights where brain was on overdrive. Oh, he's got his coffee. He's taunting me with his coffee. My brain was on overdrive and I couldn't fall asleep. What about a, I was really excited about Dan Campbell and what the Detroit Lions did last night. I can't wait to talk about it, bro. Oh, and let's start with the moment that we saw right there because they had a fourth down try blow up in their face earlier, deep in their own end, gave the Packers the ball back. Part of this ping pong match that was going on with the lead changes. You've got and this is the kind of clock management we didn't see last week from the Bears against the Lions or the Raiders against the Chiefs. You don't want to give Jordan love the ball, but you have full presence of mind to understand what needs to be done. But that entails a risk. That entails a risk of giving him the ball back in a tie game and having to play defense and avoiding losing in regulation. They deliberately calculatedly go for the first down and disaster is narrowly avoided. As Jared Goff is falling down, he makes the hand off and easily could have been a fumble. Hell, he could have been picked up and taken the other way. It is amazing. He is gutsy. At times reckless, I got texts from different people last night in and around the league, reckless, reckless, reckless, but it worked. Yeah. And I think I just I like the love and the belief that he has in his team. You know, you start to think about it. It's real trust. And also I just love the aggressive style. You know, and that's something that the players welcome. And he wanted to keep his defense off the field. He wanted to keep his offense on the field. So going forward on fourth down being aggressive and showing that belief in his team. I think his key, but also what they're trying to do is they're trying to teach situational football and, of course, in their team to react with all the decisions that they made. This is a tough physical football team, but this is a tough mental football team too, mentally tough football team, right? You make a great point too. Keep the better unit on the field right now because the injury is racked or the defense is racked with injury where the injury is racked with defense. One of the other is right, but keep the offense out there. Stay in control of the game. Frustrate the Green Bay Packers. Don't give Jordan love. Another chance as he heated up later in the game. Wasn't great early, but came alive second half. Packers storm back from 10 points down. Take the lead on the first two drives of the second half. Thanks to a rare Jordan Goff interception. Except when he's throwing five of them. A rare Jared Goff interception. Let's talk about Jordan love and what I've seen from Jordan love this year. He's been really up and down. I'm at times it seems like he's even been really reckless. They need to kind of reel him back in because. It just seems like when he's dropping back everything, he wants to justify his big contract. He won't he's looking down the field deep. Forget about the little checkdowns. The little short intermediate passes is always like he's looking down field for the big play. And I just I'd rather see. Josh Jacobs carried up all 25 times as opposed to seeing Jordan love and he's got to do a little bit more of this. He's got to use his athleticism. He's got to be able to move his legs and be able to get some birth downs with these guys. And he is moving better than ever this year because he had the knee injury week one when you were down in Brazil to see the Packers and the Eagles and he had the groin injury against the Jaguars and I agree with you. I feel like whether it's justifying the contractor. He wants to be firmly in the bread farm Aaron Rodgers category. He's trying to do legendary things instead of the basic things and the legends don't do legendary things all the time. They do basic things and then in the biggest moments, they do something huge. You don't do something huge every drive of every game. You're not Superman all the time. A lot of times your Clark Kent and you just run the offense and those moments come to put on the Cape. Go into the phone booth. Nobody knows what phone booths are anymore. Go into the phone booth. Come out of Superman and do something there. But not every snap. That's a great observation. Not every snap. Not every throw. Are you trying to do that thing that's going to make people say he's as good as Aaron Rodgers and Brett Barr. And they also too. I mean, you look at his fundamentals. I mean, I'm not a quarterback, but I've been around the worst quarterback. You know, in Ryan Lee to ever be drafted. I've been around the greatest one in Tom Brady. And the thing that changed everything with Tom, what I see now compared to quarterbacks, you know, what Tom had done compared to quarterbacks now like Jordan Love, these guys don't set their feet. And that's the thing with Jordan Love. You talked about it. He's trying to be like Aaron Rodgers. He's trying to be like Brett Farb. He's throwing his all these different angles. He's off balance. He's throwing sidearm. He's throwing off his back leg. And they got to get back to fundamental football with him, footwork. And I know Tom wasn't a great athlete, but Tom was really good in the pocket because he worked so hard on his footwork. He worked on keeping his vision down the field and he worked on knowing the defenses. And for me, Jordan Love at times, he just has this overconfidence in his abilities and he's just slinging a ball up there for grabs. He's throwing a ball down the field where he should have a five yard check down. Take the easy fact. Check now and coach Dungy. I sit next to him every Sunday and he always says, great teams do the simple things really well all the time. That's what they do. And we don't see the Green Bay Packers doing the simple things really well all the time. And there was a moment last night where Jordan Love did one of those back foot falling back Aaron Rodgers type throws and it was inaccurate. But when he let go of it, I thought that thing's going to be intercepted the way it's just kind of arcing up in the air. Fortunately, it was sufficiently inaccurate that no one had a shot at it, but those work only if they work. You get away with those if you deliver the ball accurately when you do it. When you do that and it's not accurate, the response is why are you doing that? Like you said, do the simple things like the Lions do. There's nothing flashy about the way Jared Goff delivers a football. He drops back. He waits for an open guy. He delivers it. And off you go. Now, when you have great skill position players, when they have the ball in their hands, it looks a little flashy, but they are very basic, very simple. Trust an awesome offensive line and just let your guys do their thing and they're not trying to do too much. Great point. Jordan Love at times trying to do too much. It never feels like the Lions are trying to do too much with the compound at their offense. They go for it on fourth down a lot, but they're not trying to do too much on any given snap. Yeah, I've been really impressed with it. It's been Jamie St Williams. Just I had a chance to talk to him when he came back from the suspension. Can we get off these highlights, please, so I can see you Mike. I got a chance to talk to him. Hey, I had a chance to talk to Jamison Williams when he came back from his suspension. And I really liked the kid, like having to talk to him. He had this fire in his eye and he said, you know, it was my fault. I made the mistake. I got to be more careful what I put into my body. And I've just seen him really take off. You don't see the fear. You don't see him walking around scared and nervous about making a mistake. Now you start to see him playing with a lot of confidence, believe it. And I tell you Mike, this kid is turning into a really good player. He's building a lot of confidence and he's a smaller guy. He's not afraid to come across the middle. He'll catch an out round. He'll catch a 60 yard deep pass. So he's not a one trip pony. So I like this kid. I like his mindset and a bit part of it is Dan Campbell and the staff that he has around him. They have a great supporting cast. You know, with all these great coaches and man, the Detroit Lions look really, really good offensively. They have some players who could easily be selfish and selfishness can create problems because Jamison Williams doesn't get the ball as much as his talent would suggest because there's too many mouths to feed in the offense. Jameer Gibbs doesn't get the ball as much as his talent would suggest because you've also got David Montgomery who doesn't complain that he doesn't get the ball more. Then you've got almond raw Saint Brown who's got a high end contract. Last night he was targeted six times. Five catches 43 yards. That's not the kind of night that a 30 million dollar per year guy is going to have or is going to expect to have. So they do a very good job of spreading the ball around and no one is complaining. It's easy to not complain when you're winning. If they were five and seven right now, six and eight, however many games they've played because this is the time of year where I can't keep track is not all the buys have been done yet but that's my problem. There would be problems. There would be issues. There would be guys popping off maybe on social media. Instead of posting the protections on the whiteboard behind him like Jamar Gibbs did, you would have Jamar Gibbs pointing out that I feed me or I want the ball or some other comment. You know, free Jamar Gibbs, whatever it might be, but everyone accepts their role. Even though no one in that offense has superstar numbers. You got four or five guys that have solid numbers but no one has superstar numbers and there are guys on that offense that could be superstars. Yeah, I'm looking at three teams that I've been able to associate with the Buffalo Bills, the Philadelphia Eagles watching them up close and personal. And then you talk about the Detroit Lions offensively and guys not being selfish. One thing that Greg Russo of the Bills said to me says, hey, we have a good team because no one cares about the stats. No one cares about if they catch eight passes or if they catch two passes, all the guys are concerned about our W's and I think that's what I see from the Detroit Lions. That's what I see from their superstars. I'm around Brown. I don't think he had maybe one catch in the first half and he comes back. And in the second half, he does some work. But these, this is the main characteristic that when I'm talking to these team and Philadelphia Eagles, they say, Hey, A.G. Brown says, I don't care if it's three catches. I got to try to make those three catches for three touchdowns. That's the mindset of a championship team. It's not about individual accolades. It's not about justifying, you know, the team can you 10, 20, $30 million a year. It's about winning. It's about winning football games and that's what the Detroit Lions are about. I'm selfishness and guys not caring about all their individual stats. And I think A.G. Brown has become the leader on offense when it comes to that mindset. And it may be as simple as the younger guys who think they could have superstar numbers. Don't dare pop off because they know A.G. is the one they're going to have to deal with if they do. And if you saw the block he put on Xavier McKinney last night, you don't want to piss off almond Ross Saint Brown. Mike, let me tell you something. I don't want to interview the guy because every time I see him on the field, I asked him and said, dude, dude, do you ever smile? Do you ever smile because he's so mean, he always looks so locked in. But that's just the background that he came from. And I tell you, you're a, you're a spot on a nobody's saying nothing about. I'm around Saint Brown. He's the bully. He's the Heinz war. He's the Steve Smith senior in that locker room. And nobody's going to mess with that locker room with him. He's, he's also had that mindset that was sharpened by how far down in the draft he was picked. He can rattle off the names of all the receivers taking in front of him. And, and for some players, you need to go through that experience on draft day, draft weekend, where you keep seeing other players going in front of you and it strengthens your resolve. There was a time where it almost felt like to be a truly great receiver, you had to not be a first round pick. Now, there have been many in recent years who have been great. But like Michael Thomas, when he was having his great run and he set the single season reception record, he was motivated by the fact that he fell. You fall and it lights a fire. And for Almond Ross, Saint Brown, I think the fire was already there. This was pouring jet fuel all over it and this guy has a level of obsession that Dan Campbell and the coaching staff have tapped into. And they've managed to spread it. It's one thing for one guy to have it. They've managed to spread that and make that the focal point of their attitude. It's in their DNA. They bring it every week. They're pissed off every week and they want to, they want to blow you out every week. They haven't been successful a lot in blowing people out. Some teams, yes. Last night could have been, but it's just this unrelenting desire each and every week that they're going to come out there. And they're going to stick it to you and it starts with him, but it has infected the rest of the team in a good way. Right. The one thing I see when I see the lines, we talk about in the injuries, the injuries on a defensive side of the ball, just period. But they're still playing with the fire. They're still playing with a desire. They're still flying around. It doesn't matter who you bring in, Zidarius Smith, Jamal Adams, Juan Alexander, these veteran players, they come in here. And Aaron Glenn is saying, "Hey, look, I know you don't know. We don't have to play a thousand different coverages, but I need everyone getting to the football. We're going to be aggressive tonight. We're going to go after Jordan Love. Make sure that you communicate and do all the little things." And that's what I saw. I saw very aggressive defense. And when I look at Aaron Glenn, he's grown as a defensive coordinator. And the biggest reason why he's grown Mike is because they finally got some players where he can play man to man coverage. He can switch up his coverages. He's not afraid to go a six man blitz and then have his guys lock up on the outside because he has such confidence. And when you have the ability, because you have certain players, you can do things, then it really opens up the playbook for you. And that's why I think you've seen him grow. And you've seen his personality come out a lot more on the defensive side of the ball. And bringing in new guys, plugging them in on the fly, changing the tire on a moving car with all those injuries. Thirteen guys on injured reserve. Three more guys were out last night. Juan Alexander basically just showed up. Jamal Adams signs of the practice squad on Sunday and starts on Thursday nights. Derry Smith wanted to go to the Lions because he's played for the Packers and the Vikings. And he's got a little extra something for those teams. And you saw he was happy last night. He got a sack on the first snap. I thought he was going to have one of those Reggie White Knights. He was so driven early on. The Packers did a good job of keeping him from completely wrecking the game. But they have guys that want to go out there. They play together. No one wants the spotlight. They understand that the team is the spotlight. It's easier if you're winning though. The teams you've mentioned, the Bills, the Eagles, ten and two, ten and two, twelve and one. You're winning so everyone buys in. Everyone has a program. Every coach has an idea. It only works if you win because then all the stuff the coach says comes to fruition. So I think it is a lot easier to hold guys together when you keep stacking W's. If you're not, that's when it becomes a real challenge for a coach to keep everyone on the same page. It's like, hey, coach, it's not working. Absolutely. And I had so many people call and text me and say, hey, what? Why did they sign Juan Alexander? What do you want? Jamal Adams. I said, these guys are hungry. They're passionate. They're good football players. I mean, and you think about Jamal Adams. Jamal Adams once had nine and a half sacks in a year as a safety. And you talk about pass rush. He's a guy that can be included in that pass rush. He's an excellent big hitter. I mean, excellent blitzer. He's a big hitter. So I like these moves. Getting guys that are hungry. Guys that have had success. They've already made a lot of money. They just want to latch on to a really good team and win football games. Yeah. And Jamal Adams. I said this yesterday. Yeah. It was a risky move for the Lions because he's been a malcontent with the Jets. He's been a problem at times. There was an ugly incident last year with the Seahawks where he went after a reporter attacked his wife, the appearance of his wife on social media. And then he was unrepentant about it. And it's just not a good look. He's had an all proceeds and he's had three pro ball season. The guy can play at a high level. And if anyone can plug a guy like Jamal Adams in at this stage of the season and get the most out of him, whatever's left, he had one tackle last night, but whatever's left, it's going to be Dan Campbell. It's going to be Aaron Glenn. It's going to be at the Detroit Lions because you're offering someone a chance to win an opportunity to pursue a championship. It's a lot easier to get a guy to sign on because it's not just a paycheck. It's a chance at being part of something historic and it is historic in Detroit. 11 straight wins. Never happened before. 12 wins ties to franchise record. I think you make an excellent point and just being a part of something special. When you look at a guy like Jamal Adams and he's been bounced. He's bounced around a little bit. He hasn't really been stable in terms of his injuries. So now he's just looking for a guy that he can play with, play for and just come in and not have restrictions. He can come in. He can play. And that's what Aaron Glenn gives you. That's why so many guys speak so highly of Aaron Glenn across the league because they have so much respect for him, what he's doing, what he's been able to do without the talent. And then the way he grows the talent once they're there. You see Brian Branch, Brian Branch didn't just wake up and become a great player. I mean, you got have coaches that believe in you, put you in certain positions and allow you to freedom to be able to make and go out and have the confidence to make those plays and Aaron Glenn has done a tremendous job and just spending time with him when I was in Houston. You could tell just the maturity level, how passionate he is about his guys and how he wants to take care of the guys in that locker room and how much they respect them. It's really truly awesome to see, Mike. The line's going to have a problem after the season if Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn become head coaches elsewhere and that's part of life in the NFL. But the more you can hold that nucleus of key assistance together, the easier it is to have continuity year in and year out. They're going to have some major changes in Detroit after the season because Johnson and Glenn could both be gone. Here's Dan Campbell, the guy who's really made it all happen from his arrival in 2021. Along with Jared Goff, on that decision, you saw at the top of the show going forward on fourth down, Jared Goff falling down, making the hand off and the line's putting themselves in position to ice the game. Here's Campbell and Gough. I just felt like we needed to end it on offense, you know, and I did not want to give that ball back and I believe we could get that. I believe we could convert, you know, and I trusted that old line. I trusted David and they came through four cents a hell of a call by Ben, you know, it just, I knew how I wanted to play this game, the team knew it and everything in me told me that let's finish this and so we did. He's done a really good job of deciding when to go and when not to go and certainly because it worked, everyone's going to say you guys are going to say great call and if it didn't work, you guys would be crushing him and that's the game he plays and that's why he's the guy with the big stones and we trust him. All you want from my coaches to believe in you and that gives us that little extra oomph to want to make it happen and I'm not the one running or blocking but I'm sure those guys up front say all right, you know, you're giving it to us to make this game and finish this game off on our terms and yeah, it means it means a ton. I wonder how much of that decision at the end was also driven by a desire to rectify the failed fourth and one from their own 31 late in the third quarter that opened the door for the Packers to make quick work and retake the lead 2824, the sweep to Jameer Gibbs, the one yard loss. I mean, I remember a time when Barry Switzer was the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and he was about at that same point in the field and went for it on fourth and one and they wanted to run him out of town and because he went for it and he failed. I mean, Campbell went for it and failed and I just feel like that resonated into that final decision like, you know what, we blew it the last time, this time we're not going to blow it. Let's go do it. It makes sense. We don't give Jordan love the ball back and I think the guts of your move was the one that blew up in his face. It felt like this one was a no brainer. The cool thing about what Dan Campbell has done, he's established a culture where they're aggressive and the players believe in him. They believe in this aggressive mindset. So when he says go for it, no matter where they're at on their own 30 at the 30 yard line, it doesn't matter. The players are really trained mentally and emotionally to say, hey, we're going to go for it. And if it doesn't work, they like this aggressive mindset and if it doesn't work, they may go out there and they continue to play football. It's no one after it doesn't work, saying in the corners, you know, in the locker room, gossip and saying, hey, man, this, the coach is tripping, he's being too aggressive. He's putting us in a vulnerable situation. No, all the players are in line, they trust their coach and that's the word they kept using in those interviews, trust, trust because it's because they believe in Dan Campbell. And they're so good as a football team. They just feel like at any point in time, Mike, they can come back, they can score, they can make it happen. So I just love, like I said before, this is his way of teaching situational football. That's why you see the Lions, when they come down to these situations, they don't panic. They don't blink because they're a mentally tough team and it starts with their head coach, who's done a phenomenal job with them. They've had a great blend this year, Rodney, of blowouts, but also these nail biters where they've had to find a way to deliver. And I'm a firm believer that the more you experience that in the regular season, the less likely you are to freak out when your entire season is riding on it in the playoffs. And for every 47 to nine win over the Cowboys, there's a 31-29 win over the Vikings where they had to make a stop on third and four to get the ball back after they failed to drive down for a go-ahead field goal. The Vikings could have slammed the door. They didn't, the Lions, just with enough of a crack, kicked it open, drove down, got the game-winning field goal. Right now, that outcome is the difference between the Lions being the one seed and the five seed in the NFC. So it's that we can, from time to time, find the gas pedal and just run away with it to our foot slipped off the pedal and you came back and you took the lead, we're still going to find a way to beat you. Because that's exactly what happened last night, and unless your teams would blow that game after they're up, 10-nothing in 17-7 and they fall behind, they'd crumble and just say this isn't our night. The Lions never lack the faith that it's their night and they're going to find a way to win. Yeah, I love, you know, I love the contrast. Sometimes you're going to blow teams out because you're really good. And sometimes against, say, average teams, it may be a nail-vider, but once again, those are opportunities that you and your team are experiencing to be able to experience that and be able to get over that hump later on down the line. So I like all the experiences, I think it makes you closer as a team, I think it makes you even more mentally tough when you have to go through those situations. And like I was telling Coach Dungy last week with the Kansas City Chiefs, everybody looks on that schedule saying the Chiefs should win by two touchdowns in the field goal. But at the end of the day, at this point in time, week 13, week 14, it's about W's. It's not about style points and how you look. It's about getting the W and trying to walk off the field and not have any extra guys get injured. And I think the Detroit Lions, they took advantage of that and they showed out last night. It makes me wonder, though, how these playoff games are going to go. Now that they've clenched to birth along with the Bills and the Chiefs and who knows if it'll be the number one seed. I looked at their schedule last night, Bills next weekend are coming to town. They've got two outdoor road games and they've only played one outdoor game all year. They go to Chicago, who the hell knows what the weather's going to be and we know what happened to Jared Goff in Chicago back in 2018, then they have to go to San Francisco for a Monday night game. It could come down to Vikings at Lions, not just for the division title, but for the number one seed in the NFC, there was at 1993 Cowboys Giants game where Evan Smith played with a shoulder injury and was superhuman and delivered the one seed for the Cowboys on their way to the Super Bowl. But when we get to the playoffs, if they are the one seed, you know, which Lions team is going to show up? The one that will blow you out or the one that is like, you know, the cat that plays with the mouse before the cat decides to take care of the mouse. Maybe one of these days, the mouse is going to win. They're going to go back to week two and credit to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I don't know how the hell they won in week two over the short lines in their building. That's the only team that's beating them. And, you know, I've been saying the Lions don't want the Rams to come back. The Lions probably don't want the Bucks to come back either because the Bucks don't figure it out in week. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. It's for you to sit there and most people to say, hey, the Lions don't want this. The Lions don't give a damn about the Bucks and all those different teams you're talking about, the Lions are focused on one game at a time, one day at a time, getting better. The schedule is who it is. You got to play who's on the schedule. What? What? What do you want to say? No, I agree with you. I just, look, the Lions are having their best season ever. It's a special season, but they're not dominant weekend and week out. I'm looking at the scores from the 85 Bears. They weren't in a bunch of nail biters. They lost a game late in the season to the Dolphins, but they had that whiff of dominance more often. I'm going to give you a time example. Hold on. Hold on. I'm going to give you a time example. I was on a team that went 16 and 0 in the regular season. We blew out a lot of teams, but we also had a lot of close games and you don't want to go in a situation where you're blowing out every single team and you don't know how to handle adversity. And that's the thing that was going on with the Detroit Lions. They're not blowing every team out, but they're learning, they're growing, they're getting this experience and they're coming together as a team and that's the most important thing. As good as they are, you don't expect the Detroit Lions to blow every team out because when you're playing against the Lions, this is your Super Bowl. This is your playoff. This is your opportunity as a player as a team to let the world know how good you are. So they're going to continue to get people's very best. And what I love about this number one seed that they're chasing, they got to continue to stay locked in just like the Buffalo Bills, just like the Philadelphia Eagles, just like the Kansas City Chiefs. So you're going to see these teams with one or two losses, continue to play hard, continue to try to play at a high level because they want that number one seed and nobody needs the number one seed more than the Detroit Lions. They don't want to have to go on a road outside in December and January and have to deal with snow and all those different elements. They made my point better than I could. I was trying to pull a team from the past that was that team at Destiny that finished the job. And when they got to the playoffs, the Chicago Bears dismantled everyone, everyone. There wasn't a remotely close game division around conference championship or Super Bowl against the Patriots. What was it? It was just a ridiculous final score, 44 to 10 or something like that. But your 2007 Patriots speaks to the concern I have because of the number of close games. Let's not assume when the playoffs roll around, the Lions are just going to show up and they're going to 85 Bears everyone. They're going to have to work for every game. That's the point I was trying to make in clumsy fashion. You got me focused. These games, when January rolls around, are going to be must see TV because they're probably going to win. But it's going to be a hell of a ride and it's going to require Dan Campbell to show some stones and make some calls. And some of them might blow up in their face the next time Jared Goss falling down when he's making a handoff on fourth and short, maybe he won't deliver the ball. So it's more entertaining than watching the 85 Bears. It's more entertaining than watching a team that's wired to wire dominant because even though we're fairly confident they're going to win their games, they can't. They're capable of laying an egg and the pressure is different when your season is riding on it. It's one thing to say off, you know, if we lose one, we'll be fine, we'll be fine. You lose one once you get past the regular season, you're not fine. Your magical special season, the best season of franchise history is over. And I think that is similar to the pressure that you guys felt in 2007 as you kept getting closer and closer to the ultimate goal. Yeah. I mean, there's pressure when you're trying to go undefeated and you listen to all the outside noise. But for us, it was truly one game at a time. And then when we played in a Super Bowl, we just had a Giants team that just was a lot more prepared than us and a team that just came with so much excitement and so much energy that they just overtook us, man. And that's what happens. But for the Detroit Lions, to me, it's not about style points. It's about just making sure that you go through the checklist. You know, I look at Detroit last night and when Jamir Gibbs is in the game, when Jamir Gibbs is in the game, 90% of the time he's getting a football mic, he's not in there to block. And it's simple things like that when you play against the Detroit Lions. The majority of the time that he's in the game, he's getting a football and he's their best player. They try to hide it with Montgomery and some of these other guys, but this football team is not what it is without Jamir Gibbs, his speed, his explosiveness and the things that he can do on a football field. He is the special player on their team. David Montgomery is a solid, really good back, but this guy is special. He's the best player on their offense. And he really opens up this offense, Mike. You know what, though, Jeff Haffley in the Packers defense apparently had a plan for him last night. You take away that 20 yard run that we showed. He had 14 carries for 23 yards. They bottled him up. Even with the 20 yard run, he averaged it under three yards per carry. So what you're saying, that becomes a tell at this time of the year, hey, 26 is on the field. He's getting the ball. They need to start using him more and not giving him the ball because as we get closer and closer to the playoffs, that's when it all crashes down and all that films out there, all your tendencies are out there for the world to see you come up against the Bill Bellachek brain, somebody who's going to process everything you've done. And you know, maybe that's one of the reasons why Gibbs didn't have more production last night. Teams are putting this idea key on him every time he's on the field. Let me say this too, Mike, and it's simple things too, like when he's in the game and you know it's in the passing situation and he does that little angle route, well, all I'm doing is as a defensive coordinator, as a little adjustment, I'm telling him, hey, if you see him offset, when you go rush the quarterback, give him a little forearm, right in his shoulder to slow him down. If you hit him, you knock him off his route, that throws off the timing of the route. So it's little things when you play against the Detroit Lions that you have to know from studying and watching him play. When Jameer gives us in the game, I'm yelling, hey, it's a run, it's a run cover Jameer. I'm calling it out because that's the play that they ultimately want. They want to get him the football. He's not there to block. He's 195 pounds, 200 pounds. He's not there to block. He's getting a football. I had a vision there of somebody telling at some point, Rodney Harrison, to give someone a little shoulder. And a little shoulder means, does the guy end up in the third row or the fourth row of the stands from a little shoulder from Rodney Harrison? Just a little shot. Let's hear from Dan Campbell, his message to the team after they made it to 11 straight wins the longest streak in franchise history. I told the team, this will be one of those you never forget, stolen golf pregame. I said, when you play all these games, you have this long career, you know, and I'm sure there's some. He's probably, you don't remember everything when he played as long as he had. I said, you will never forget this one. You will never forget this game. And I think a lot of it is just that. What we've had to overcome, the hand we were dealt, and I just love the fact our guys don't make excuses, man. They just find a way and everybody in that on this team believe we were going to win that game. We were going to find a way and we just, we did it again, we did it again. Guys did it. One thing he also did again, he forgot an important fact in the locker room. There was a game where he forgot to give a game ball. I think to Jared Goff, when he had a big night, he didn't even know they clinched to playoff birth. He said he wished he would have mentioned it in the locker room. He had no idea that all they had to do last night was win and they were in, but that just speaks to the one game at a time, focus, he's not thinking about the bigger picture stuff. He's thinking about what does it take to win this game? Let's go do it. Now what's it take to win the next game? Let's go do it. Yeah. He's been tremendous and the fact that he had his team so locked in and so focused after winning so many games, I mean, 11 games in a row, it's so easy to come to work one week and say, you know, we got this figured out, we're the best team in NFL. We don't have to continue to work. But to me, it speaks to the to the guys in that locker room, you know, the Amaran Saint Browns and the way he prepares and how hard he works during the week and what they tell me how he prepares. That's what you need. And you got as a Darius Smith and other guys, Jack Campbell coming in, guys that come in early and making the necessary sacrifices for this team to be a good team. I like what Dan Campbell was done. He's put in a belief in this team, they believe at any point in time, they can score, they can win football games and I'll tell you Mike, this is the type of confidence that they need. They need this confidence going into the latter part of the season because no matter what situation they're in, they feel like they can overcome it. He told the team after the game, we're destined for this. That's a big word to use, but that that that's the vibe you need. I think you need to feel like it's destiny that you are going to get to the top of the mountain because your opponents become convinced that it's destiny for the lions to get to the top of the mountain. But that's part of the vibe they're trying to create. Each and every week, they're destined to win, they're destined for greatness, they're destined to get to the Super Bowl. Remember, this is the team that was up 17 in the second half of the Super Bowl last year and it fell apart. And if they're up 17 in the second half of the Super Bowl this year, everybody is going to be aware of that, including everyone on the Detroit line, sideline, but you know, yeah, Cameron, I don't care, Cameron, I don't care and he's got the right attitude. They've just they've they've stumbled into the perfect blend of confidence, delusion, and just belief and which is the most important thing. The most important thing, the most important thing is they're all aligned. They're all on the same page. You don't have any division on that team. You don't have the head coach coming to the podium saying one thing, but the offensive coordinator doing something else. Every one's aligned and that's the thing that makes the Detroit line so exciting to watch and really makes them as a fan favorite because everyone's aligned in as far as the general manager, the head coach, the players, it's one message coming from the head coach. And that's the way it should be. Dan Campbell's done a great job, Brad Holmes has done a great job, but it's the guys in that locker room. See, you can acquire all this talent, Mike, but it's about the personalities. It's about, you know, if you have guys, veteran guys like me that will bring a young guy to the side and talk to him and speak to him, Hey, man, what's going on? I've seen that you haven't come in here to lift weight. You seem a little quiet. What's going on? And hey, man, maybe, you know, I got into my baby mama and then you sit down and you have conversations, but that's the type of guys that they have in that locker room. They have quality people that not only care about the success of themselves, they care about the success of each individual in that locker room. And I just can't speak enough to the guys that they have in that locker room, Mike. By the way, I misspoke. The lions were not leading by 17 in the Super Bowl. They were leading by 17 in the game to get to the Super Bowl. I am aware that the lions did not make it to the Super Bowl last year, but thank you, Gary, for setting me straight. Matt, let's turn over to a couple of minutes. The Packers are nine and four third place in the division. When you've got division leaders that are six and six and seven and five in the NFC, the Packers at nine and four in third place, and they've lost four games to three teams whose combined record is 32 and five. So look, the Packers are capable of playing with anyone. They've just run into these roadblocks against the Eagles, the Vikings, and the lions twice. The Packers aren't done. And what the Packers do from here is going to define whether or not there's a rematch with the Lions and maybe the next time around, they beat them. I like the Packers and I know that the floor is going to make some necessary changes. And I always say, and I've been saying this for the last month or five or six weeks, take the ball out of Jordan Love's hands, put it in Josh Jacobs, run the football more, come up with more of those creative run game and things that you do, I mean, and I just look at the mistakes. Two Christian Watson had such a terrible fumble. I mean, he's dropped past his wide open down the field. I mean, this is a guy that they've been extremely patient with, but at the same time, he needs to be more accountable to his teammates, turning the ball over, you know, dropping big plays. That takes the life out of a team and he has to do a better job. I like Christian. Christian's a good kid, young man. And he's going to be a continue to be a good football player, but he has to be better. He had that long touchdown catch and as the ball was coming in, I had the flashback to his very first NFL game, Green Bay at Minnesota a few years ago, his rookie year would have been 2022, 21, 22, 22, hard to keep the years straight at this point. The same same kind of play wide open ball falls in and he just dropped it last night. He caught it. But that fumble, it was weird because nobody hit him. He was just kind of heading toward the ground and the ball just came out and you're right. You got to hold on to the ball. You got to pay attention to the little details like that and you got to do everything check every box on the way to securing the ball, ending the play, keeping the ball in the possession of your team. Let's hear a little from Matt LaFlore after the Packers fourth loss of the season. It's only a handful of plays that separate these types of games. And like I told our team, I mean, we're going to have to earn the right to potentially come back here and it's not going to be easy and we got to put in the work and, but I'm confident in the resiliency of our group and that they're going to continue to fight and push each other to get better and stay connected because I do think we have a pretty good football team. And he's absolutely right. Football games come down to that handful of plays, handful of moments. And do you make it go your way or does the other team make it go their way? And the Lions last night made it go their way more often than not, just enough to win the game. But the Packers are going to be dangerous in the playoffs. They're probably not going to win the division now unless the Lions collapse. They're going to have to go on the road. They're going to play well on the road. And if they address some of these issues, like you're saying, let's minimize the number of times Jordan loves out there trying to play hero ball and just operate simply and efficiently and directly, they can earn a rematch with the Detroit Lions in the NFC Championship or the division around based on how the playoff tree shakes out. Yeah, one of the things that he said is we have to stick together and you know, you come down and it's so easy when you have a tough loss like this within the vision of disappointing loss to sit back and blame each other and blame. I wish I could have got the ball more coach, he shouldn't have gone forward or he should have been a little bit more aggressive in these situations. The thing is sticking together, not allowing those type of conversations to come in between a team. I agree with you. The Packers are going to be a good team. And if I don't want to play the Packers, they got a good offensive line. Jordan loves tends to heat up a little bit in the playoffs. They can run the football and if they get healthier, you know, with Jair Alexander back in the secondary, they should be able to, you know, play a little bit more man to man coverage and be a lot more viable on the defensive side of the ball. But I agree with you. That's an excellent message by coach LaFlore like, hey, we have a good football team. We need to stick together. Don't start listening to the outside pundits saying, hey, this, that, the other stick together. And that's a great message from the head coach, especially right after the game. And the NFC has a handful of teams that that could that could make life interesting for the Lions. The Packers, the Eagles, the Vikings played them close when Detroit went to Minnesota and won top heavy in the NFC and there are the, you know, the one seed, the two seed, the five seed and the six seed, those are the best teams in the NFC and the Lions are going to have to deal with one or two of those teams in the playoffs and they're going to earn their Super Bowl berth if they earn their first Super Bowl berth in franchise history. There was an incident before the game. Matt LaFlore talked about it. Let's hear a little bit from from Matt LaFlore about a fan, a Lions fan that was given LaFlore the verbal business before kickoff. I've never been a part of something like that. It was, I was, he was talking junk to our players, giving them the throat slash sign. And I'm, you know, you're trying to deescalate it and then he gets in my face. So I thought it was pretty unsportsmanlike, like I've never seen that. I've been on many fields and usually they police that much better. I just, I thought it was an arrogant fan that, you know, wanted to get in part of the action and just, I would like to see security or something, step in there and get them out of there because it's, it's, you should be doing that. You know, Ronnie, you've been on the sideline for many games and when, when we're out there and they've got fans that are, look at that. Yeah, but what in the world? What is that? Yeah, get, I, you know, you've got to control these boxes out there holding the flag. Hold on. He's holding the flag. He's out there holding the flag. You can see it was right. They holding the flag. You know how you go to the games and they'll have the fans carry the flag out for the national anthem. I think that's what it's part of and he broke off from that group of fans and he's talking crap to the Packers. You never see that happen. Those folks are always respectful. Yeah, they're there to root for the home team, but you never see someone break away and it look like, you know, they're that group. We see them before the game, that group of fans that are, they're all out there toting the flag for the anthem. This guy, this bozo breaks off and he starts getting in the face of the Packers. It's gutsy, probably fueled by alcohol, but that shouldn't happen. No, I definitely shouldn't happen. And what the floor might have to do is instead of dependent on another team to provide security, it's just half more security around you. Send number 37, get tell number 37 to give them a light shoulder. But you know what Mike, think about it, 70,000 fans, you're going to always have those guys. You know, I go to different stadiums and, you know, sometimes I hear from the fans. It's all part of the deal. You can't allow them to get under your chin, you know, get in your under your skin and affect you like that. Right. But there's a difference between the fans who pay for a ticket and they're in the stands and the fans who have the privilege of being on the field involved in three game ceremonies like this, Bozo was. And that should not happen. And I've never seen it happen before. And I think that's why the floor was so flabbergasted by it. But you're right. I have the flashback to when the fan runs out on the field to grab the football. Mike Curtis gives him a light shoulder back in the 70s. So that guy was taking his life into his own hands. And again, it probably was fueled by something he had been smoking and or drinking carry out the flag. All right. Let's take a break. When we return. Bill Belichick. We all know he wants a coach next year. Every once in a while, somebody reports home. Bill Belichick wants a coach. No, no, no, no joke. He wants a coach next year, could he be coaching at the college level? We'll break that down next on PFT live. 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Drafting Sportsbook is the number one place to bet touchdowns and new customers can bet five dollars and get $150 in bonus bets if your bet wins. Download the app and use promo code GFT Live when you sign up back from Sportsbook.com You'll find the jurors in this always believe that, surprisingly, only with the money that you are prepared for, because if you listen to someone like me, you probably will. Bill Belichick hasn't lost many games relative to the number of games he's coached in his career. But in a career that dates back to 1975 Rodney, I was 10. He started coaching then. He coached every year from 75 to 2023, never at the college level. And then out of the blue yesterday, I had to make sure it wasn't April 1st. Bill Belichick interviewed for the North Carolina vacancy and then Pat 40 of SI.com reports that he has genuine interest Belichick does in coaching at the college level. I don't know what's going on here, but the idea of Bill Belichick coaching college football, especially with all this NIL stuff, I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought this guy is NFL and NFL only, especially when he's trying to catch Don Shula, yeah, the thing about it. The first thing that came to my mind was when I read this, I said, okay, coach is a teacher, he's a coach, he wants to focus on the fundamentals. And then I started thinking like you, I first thing I started thinking about NIL, NIL, will he have the patience to get on the plane, go to these kids house, sit in their living room and try and basically beg them to come to the University of North Carolina. I wouldn't say coach Belichick has that level of patience, but he does have the level of patience to coach these guys, to make sure that they understand the fundamentals and to build a team. And maybe this is a message to the NFL owners, maybe he's saying, hey, I'm going to coach if you want me, hey, you better get a chance, you better try to sign me now, you better reach out to my party right now. So maybe that's something like that's going on, Mike. Well, and that's a great point, you know, there's always something beneath the surface and he's very strategic. As you know, there's a reason for everything, there's a plan for everything and it's usually a pretty good plan, even if it gets into the gray areas of what the rules allow. That's fine. That's being aggressive. That's being a good tactician. And the reason to be out there now, we're talking about it, owners now, you know, the bears are the exception, firing Matt Eber Flus last Friday, when they decided they're going to make a change after the season anyway, let's go ahead and do it now. Other teams, other owners know they're going to make a change after the season, but they're not implementing it now. You know, those guys that get fired Sunday and Monday when the season ends, that just isn't some spontaneous decision. They've known and they've delayed implementing and announcing it. So, but the owners out there who know they're going to be changing coaches or for the owners out there who might be thinking about changing coaches, this is just a clear reminder, hey, not that we needed one, I'm in play. Here I am because you're never going to use a college job as leverage for a pro job because these jobs are all going to be filled before the NFL jobs are open, but we know there's always stuff going on behind the scenes and there can be talks behind the scenes. He's eligible to be interviewed by anyone right now. And it wouldn't be impermissible for a team that has a coach currently employed to have a secret meeting with Bill Belichick. And even though you get to position where you violate the Rooney rule, at least the spirit of it by knowing you're going to hire Bill Belichick before you even fire the coach you have, we know that stuff like that happens. So yeah, I feel like this is his way of kind of like ringing the dinner bell and making sure the owners know, hey, hey, let's go because I'm not going to wait around. If my phone doesn't start ringing, I may take one of these college jobs. Although I still I'll be, I'll be flabbergasted if he does. Yeah, he's a coach and that's what he wants to do. He's very passionate about him. And I think he's letting the owners know that, hey, I want to coach, whether it's in the pros or whether it's in college, I want to go and be able to make a difference. And I think even on a college level, having this year off to me really change coach Belichick, he gave him a time to kind of find himself, gave him a chance to see the entire, you know, NFL from a different perspective, as well as his own career, kind of what he wants to do, gave him a chance to kind of reset. And so, you know what, you know, let me let me just do something else. He's been very successful at media. He's making a lot of money doing that, but ultimately he's a football coach. And I think whether it's NFL or even college, I think he'll be a damn good coach because that's the thing that he does. He wants to coach these young men. He focuses on the fundamentals and he does a great job with that. And I'll transfer a portal dealing with boosters. All the things that make college football far different from what it was, limited time and access to the players, a lot of things that would drive Bill Belichick crazy if he's a college football coach. I think at the end of the day, he'll be back in the NFL. If there's an opportunity, that's the thing too, there may not be an opportunity. I think what he might be trying to do, Rodney, now that we talk this through, we gotta take a break. But I think this might be as simple as I do want to have an assurance. I want to have an idea. I want somebody to tell me that I'm going to have something next year. I don't want to play this game like I did last year where I get thrown into the musical chairs and there's no seat for me. He didn't even get an offer last year other than the Patriots, there were seven jobs open. He got one interview. Let me just say this is that this is pooper get off the pot to the owners. I want to know what's going on for me for 2025, but like I said, this is the best thing that happened to him because people got a chance with all the platforms that he's on, all the biggest platforms from McAfee and inside the NFL and you know, ESP and all of the paint manning stuff, people get a chance to see what we see from Bill Belichick. His personality, he's a lot softer. He's showing a softer shy side, he's smiling, he's laughing, he's cracking jokes. You get a chance to see how smart, how detailed he is. And this is the bell check that we love, a bell check that you guys never really got a chance to see. And I think his message now by interviewing for this college job is, Hey owners, come get me now. Come line something up now because I'm not going to wait around. I'm not going to get caught with nothing for 2025. And if you don't call me sooner than later, I'll just take one of these college jobs. But even if he doesn't, Mike, even if he doesn't, he's still got three or four media jobs that he's doing and he's making millions of dollars. So he's, well, he wants a coach. Oh, I know he wants to coach, but it has to be the right, it has to be the right situation. He's not going to go into situation. I don't believe he'll go into situation. I'll just give an example like a Carolina Panthers and try to turn that thing around. He's not going to be, he wants the right situation, the best situation, but he wants to know if that situation is going to be there at the NFL level, because maybe he'll go to the right situation at the college level and hey, Bill, we got a vacancy 30 miles up the road. You want to come to West Virginia, talk to your buddy Nick Saban. He coached there at one point as an assistant, not a bad spot, not a bad program, better than North Carolina. Frankly, we beat him last year in the ball game. Come here, not North Carolina. Those of us who have been fortunate enough to play football in the snow, it's awesome. When you get to watch a game in the snow, it's awesome. The only thing that isn't awesome is being stuck out in it. Football needs to be played in the elements. It looks great. Football has shifted from an in-person sport to the spectacle. It's easy for you to say that when you're standing in your 10,000 square foot house with all the different things going on. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. I can't wait to see it happen. It's going to be great. You see it, see it, see it. You know it. These are the type of friends that I have right here. I would want to see them who's my Kahuna's off. Why would you want to see me do that? There he is. Freeze and his Kahuna's off in Buffalo. I was right. I was right. Maybe I should bet. Maybe I should bet. Maybe I got a little Nostradamus going on. I got the three feet of snow. It's three feet of snow. Perfect. Boom. But you know, Mike, I was smart. I went out and I got me some snow pants. I got my snow pants. I had me some hears in my boots and my hands. It was absolutely awesome. I'll tell you, nobody wants to go in that situation. You don't want to come out there and have to play in that snow and slippery and ice. It just seems like it was second nature for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah. Yeah. One team. One team has done it before and one team has never seen snow in their entire life. That's what it felt like on Sunday night. You won't have that issue in Kansas City. I have spoken to the weather gods. It's going to be 56 degrees when the Chargers play the Chiefs and hey, the Chargers 1710 was the score when they played earlier this year. I worry about the Chargers offense. I don't think they have enough firepower. But overall total team effort, they got enough to give the Chiefs fits and we know chiefs can be given fits because every game they play, they're given fits. They just find a way to win most of them. Yeah. Coach Harbaugh, he wants to lean on his defense. I think he's a little too conservative on the offensive side of the ball. I think it's time to let Justin Herbert open up the offense a little bit more. You're not, you don't have JK Dobbins. So obviously that affects your run game, but I would anticipate a little bit more aggressive in the past game. Will dislead the tight end. He needs to make sure that he's a big factor and getting Quentin Johnson, getting him back his confidence, trying to get him to ball early, whether it's quick screens, just trying to build his confidence. And you know, you think about the Chargers too, Harbaugh came here for two reasons. He came in number one for Justin Herbert and number two, he felt like that he wanted to compete and beat Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reed. And to me, he could have gone a lot of different places, Mike, but he handpicked the AFC West because this is a coach that loves the competitive nature of that division. And they can really throw a wrench into the AFC if they could beat the Chiefs, because then the Bills have the opportunity to catch the Chiefs and they hold the tiebreaker by virtue of giving the Chiefs their only loss so far this season, the Chiefs might have to go on the road. Again, maybe they'll go to three feet of snow and Buffalo in the playoffs. That's the stakes and Jim Harbaugh is going to have a major say in it. And also, hey, the Chargers still theoretically have a chance to win the division. Who knows? The Chiefs keep pulling these cards and they keep getting lucky and their luck could fall apart like it did for the Eagles last year. You lose one big game and one becomes two and two becomes three. Every one of their games is a fight and Harbaugh will give the Chiefs a fight. That's a great game that we have on deck for Sunday night football Chargers at the Chiefs. All right, Rodney, we held you over for a few minutes. It was fun today. Thanks. It doesn't affect my paycheck. It doesn't affect. No. Well, I don't know if you get paid for an extra five minutes. I'll take that up with accounting. Safe travels to Kansas City. I don't have to tell you to stay warm. You won't need to and we'll do it again next Friday. Thanks, pal. All right. There he is. Rodney Harrison. When we return, no PFTPM fixed podcast with Kristen's Unbuttoned. Oh, no, no, no, no. Oh, no, it's Friday. Run PFT. Michael Holly in the house right here on PFT live slash front DFT. Give sport with gifts from Nike from the retro Romero 5 sneaker designed with zoom air cushioning to fleece engineered with lightweight warmth and next level comfort. 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Hour 1: Mike Florio (@ProFootballTalk) and Rodney Harrison (@Rodney_Harrison) discuss the Lions 34-31 win over the Packers in a Thursday night thriller. Bill Belichick entertains the possibility of coaching in college football.
