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Showdown Episode 48 4-25-24
[music] Welcome to Showdown, I'm Mark Casein. And it is Thursday, April the 25th. And there's so many things going on today that I can best explain it to you this way. There are things that I wrote down that I wanted to talk about today, which seemed like they were last week. That's how many things have transpired today, just since early this morning. It just keeps on coming. Donald Trump has made this a paradise for somebody that just wants to get on and talk about the news. I can tell you that. And I'm going to start with some of the latest things that have happened, and then I'll backtrack to some different issues later on. In the first place, it's sort of interesting that late today, there's a lot of talk about the fact that Donald Trump and David Pecker have nothing but good things to say about each other. Pecker says he likes Trump. He smiles at Trump. Trump smiles back. They both say that they like each other. But most importantly, Trump says that he likes Pecker. Now, Pecker is destroying Trump. Just, it might be good to understand that. And again, if you're watching your news on TikTok or somewhere, it's possible that you're getting a slightly different idea of what's happening. But here's what it is in a nutshell. Donald has hidden information about his money, where he spends it, who he's given it to, who he's reimbursed, and why he did that. So that's right off the bat, and that's a problem. It's a misdemeanor in New York law. The reason that he was doing this was to hide election fraud, state election fraud in New York. It is election fraud if you spend money on the campaign in order to get a result, a specific result, and you don't tell who gave you the money, you don't report the money being spent, you don't report the in-kind contribution, none of it. That's election fraud in the state of New York. If you doctor your books, that's the misdemeanor, with the intent of committing election fraud, boom, you go to jail for four years. So simple. Now, the problem the Trump has is that David Pekker is outlining step by step how Donald accomplished these crimes. Certainly, the election fraud part, and the rest comes from documents within Trump's organization. So this is a very simple case. The books are cooked to hide where the money has gone, and that is being done in order to commit state election fraud, which makes this a felony. Punishable for up to four years for each violation. He's got 34, but everybody figures. They're not going to put him in jail for 130 years for this, probably four, maybe two. Okay. Maybe one. Maybe he'll sit in jail for 30 days, and then they'll give him probation. I'm not just throwing some things out here that they could do, but again, this is very clear. He's committed the crime that's a misdemeanor by cooking his books, and he did that. He was spending money on Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougall. The Karen McDougall money came from Pecker, which Pecker explains that he did for Trump, and then later he wouldn't do it anymore because he decided he had done enough, and plus he realized he even admits. He tells all. He says, and he has to. Pecker has to tell everything because if he tells anything that's false, then he goes to jail. That's his deal. He's got to deal. The deal is, tell the truth. We don't care what the truth is, just tell the truth, and that'll be enough, and then you don't have to deal with any kind of indictment, anything, nothing. You don't have to worry, so that's what Donald's problem is that the case is simple, and it's all being carefully outlined by his friend. He says, "I like David Pecker. I like him a lot. He's a good friend. Still a good friend. No problem." Now I don't think there's anybody in the country that doesn't know this. When somebody does something against Donald, Donald comes back against them with everything he's got. He tries to run them over with a Mac truck. He tries to destroy people for less, for much less. So here's a good question. Why is Donald so happy with David Pecker who is eviscerating him in the courtroom? It's tearing him up. He's laying out all the information that a jury will need to just step up and convict Donald. The whole case is being established perfectly by Pecker, not to mention the fact that the prosecution has done a great job of lining this up right from the start, and then here comes the cross-examination, and it's like these people are buddies. They're not coming after Pecker. They're not challenging him. They do not want to fight with Pecker. I don't know anything more than anybody else, but everybody is trying to guess. Why is Trump doing this? Why is he so nice to Pecker? The only answer is, Pecker has got something that Trump does not want put on the table. If nobody asks Pecker, he doesn't have to tell, but if they ask, he has to tell the truth, but assuming that nobody knows what this is, and I think this makes sense, then this is probably the exact direction that the case is going. Donald's being destroyed, the case is being made, the very simple details of a misdemeanor involving the cookbooks with the books being cooked in order to commit the further crime of election fraud. There it is, and Pecker has laid this out on the table for the prosecution, and if you're the jury, and you're not thinking through all of this in terms of what's Pecker hiding and all the rest of that, and they might be, and that would be worse, but let's assume they're not. This information is on the table, and the jury looks at it, and they say, it's a pretty credible witness, because look, not only is the guy told exactly what they did, things which were illegal for Pecker as well, but of course, Pecker has a deal, however, Trump is not even arguing, Trump is not jumping up and down, saying things about Pecker, saying things about everybody else, attacking the court, attacking the witnesses, not Pecker, attacking the jury, and then that brings us to the next question. What in the heck is Judge Mershon doing? Why isn't he announcing the details of what they're going to do about these gag order violations? And I've been thinking all day about this. I've been listening all day to hear thinking that maybe somewhere, you know, there was some kind of a story about what Mershon was saying about the gag order, and honestly, I have not been able to find one thing, and I've listened in red all day long. Not a word. I mean, I'm just flipping through right now. I don't see a thing on it now, nothing. Harvey Weinstein's conviction is overturned, interesting, but anyway, forget that. I'm just saying we don't have anything zero on the gag order. They had a hearing on Tuesday. This all was brought up on Friday. The judge originally said, I'll tell you after lunch. After lunch, he said, give me a minute. I'll, I'll come up with something for you, and he still hasn't done it. What's he up to? You know he's up to something. I would guess that the judge is just waiting around to see how many more times Donald will violate the gag order. I've talked to all kinds of people about this, and everybody is 100% sure that Donald will not get any jail time, but you know, I sort of think I could be wrong, sure, but I sort of think that he may be, Mershon, he may be just sitting back on this and waiting to see how many times Donald will violate the order, and then step in and really slam him or he's just trying to turn down the heat. Could be any of it. He could give Donald one day just to say, look, what you're going through now is what you could go through 30 times this if you mess with me. I just have a feeling he's going to be tough, but we're going to find out, but we certainly don't know yet. So that's another point to all of this. Now, there's another thing that happened today, and I'll tell you that's one thing about these days of Donald Trump, he is providing us with the greatest civics lesson of all time. What not to do, and what the system really is, and even all about newspapers and the media, I mean, everything. I talked at length about this yesterday, but I think it's important to note again that all of Donald Trump's talk about fake news, and it all turned out that he is the fake news. All of the things that they did at the national enquirer, all the things that they concocted that were lies, none of that would ever be done by mainstream media. Newspapers wouldn't do it, the TV stations wouldn't do it, nobody would do it. Not if you're in a real news organization, which that's the irony, that Donald wasn't dealing with a real news organization. He was dealing with the national enquirer, which I realized a lot of people wouldn't know that that's the magazine that talks about what the Martians are doing, that sits on the counter as you walk out of the grocery store. There are a lot of people who wouldn't know that, but there's just no question. The national enquirer is not a newspaper, it's not a magazine, it's something, it's a bunch of words on paper, I don't know, maybe it's as credible as TikTok, there you go. That might be. But the truth is, that's Donald's news, that's Donald putting out a story, that's Donald and fake news, that's Donald, it's fake news. All of this talk, since 2016, and it turns out that every bit of it was Donald. He was projecting himself to the public. And by the way, that's no surprise either because Mary Trump has been saying that since the day that she came onto the news scene and started commenting on what Donald is doing. So this is all pretty simple. Simple case, Donald's in trouble, Pekker has nailed him, and the people who are on Donald's side are basically getting fake news and have no idea what's actually happening here. But in two to three or four weeks, everybody's going to get the shock of a lifetime because this case is so easy to follow for the jury, that they're going to find this guy guilty, and the judge is going to sentence him to some time in jail. Some, I don't know how much, I really don't care if it's a day, it's enough. If it's a day plus probation, that would be enough. Just put him in jail. That guy has got to walk into a jail. Just has to do it. And honestly, if you think that Donald is gaining momentum politically from all of these things that are happening, well, you're just in denial, totally, and I can't prove it until November of this year, but we'll prove it then. And actually, I'm going to have some really cool information for you as we move along because we are setting up sort of an election headquarter with students, and they've got big giant maps that are laminated so that they can write on them with dry erase marker. And state by state, the students are evaluating both the polls and any other input that they can get in order to have a good idea of where the election is going to be by the time we get to the first week of November. And I think it's going to be really great for us to take a look at what the students actually come up with by doing this over a 12 week period, which will be from about August till November of this year. So that's sort of a fun thing, and we'll have some students come on and talk about what they've done, the methodology that they've used, little Joe Biden talk there, the methodology that they've used, and so, yeah, that'll be great. We'll talk all about how we figured out who's going to win this election, but it's going to be Joe Biden because Donald is crashing and burning as we speak, and the polls are showing it. Brand new poll out, one of the credible ones, and they show Donald Trump ahead by five points, including all the third party people that includes RFK, Jill Stein, everybody, Cornell West, the whole bunch of them, they're all in there, and Donald loses by five percentage points. Of course, it still comes down in individual states, and that's why we're doing this little thing that we're doing with the map. We're going to follow the map state by state, and we're going to see what we come up with, and that should be a lot of fun. Speaking of a different state, and this seems like, you know, years ago, but Arizona, Arizona has indicted a bunch of people. They've indicted people who are old friends of Trump, gee, what a surprise, generally, people who are friends of Trump have ended up in jail. I mean, do you have any guess what that number is? It is a big number. I don't have it here. I'm not going to say something that I don't know, but the number is big. It really is. It's not five, and it's not 10. It's a big number. And now there are 11 electors who have been indicted, along with Mark Meadows and Rudy Giuliani and several other people whose names have been redacted, but don't worry, because even though we can't see the names, we've got a description of who they are, and we know who they are. So it is Meadows and Giuliani and Eastman. That's a good one. Do you know that Eastman had been hired to be in charge of election integrity in Arizona? How is that possible? Election integrity. Now he's under indictment for exactly what he was supposed to be protecting against. People messing with election integrity. So you've got this big indictment in Arizona, and initially a lot of people were a little upset because Donald was not indicted. Donald was listed only as an unindicted co-conspirator, but you know, there's so many great lawyers out here that are telling the story. And here's the story. It's a good one. With all of the people that have been indicted, the authorities in Arizona are figuring that there is some room to get some people to flip, and if they can get the right people to flip with really strong evidence against Donald, then they can step in and indict Donald and give the other people special deals so that they can walk away. Believe me, Donald is in a lot more trouble than even it appears right now on the surface where he's got 88 indictments, felony indictments, sitting on the table, and the only thing that's sort of good for him is he hasn't had to go to jail because you know anybody else that did these things and had these felony indictments charged, they'd be in jail. They'd be in jail. And then again, here's Donald with his New York case, the fraud case, and isn't it interesting they seem to come up with a deal on that bond. The $450 million bond, which is now down to $175 million. And the thing about it is he's got a fake company, you know, night specialty insurance. I love that name. I'm sure they have a heck of a specialty. One thing that they specialize in, you take their net worth and it's not enough to cover the bond. I can tell you that, now there's some story about money that was put up that would cover the bond, but I'm warning you of this and I have no evidence at all, but I'm warning you, every time Donald says, this is the way it is, we find out later these line. And in this case, Leticia James jumped up and said the man's lying, it's fraud. They didn't tell the truth, invalidate the bond and let us seize the property and the state courts in New York said, no, no. Here's a deal, they cut a deal and it appears to be okay for now for Donald. But if you are sure that it's really okay, I'd like to know where you got that information because I can promise you that every time Donald says something, you know, he tells you a story about here's what's going on, here's how it works, it's never true. It's already been not true with the bond. We've already found out that he lied because Hanky knew that he was committing to a $450 million bond and Donald lied to the court and said, well, see, he didn't lie. He went to the court and he said, I tried 30 different people and they all said, no. But what he didn't tell the court is that he tried 31 and number 31 said, yes, didn't tell him that. The court's not stupid and that is technically a lie. It's not okay to play that game. But the court said, we're going to let it go right now. Maybe they'll let it go all the way to the end. I don't know. But I know this, that Donald who claims that he's not worried about anything because he's just going to step up and have all the cases reversed, well, didn't work out like that in New York with Eugene Carroll because Judge Kaplan today ruled that Donald cannot overthrow the case. He can't throw it out. It's done. Now, I don't know if there's another appeal on it. Maybe there is. I don't know. Maybe he can go to the Supreme Court. But the state of New York has said, no, they denied his appeal. So that part already is done by the time we get through with this, wait till you see how done this man is because he is done. Am I sure? Absolutely. I'm 100% sure. Do I have evidence? Yeah, I've got some evidence. I've already talked about it today. Thanks to David Pekker. We all have the evidence nicely laid out in front of us. I just want to know the other shoe when it comes to Pekker. I want to know what Pekker really knows. He's not telling us. That's what I want to know. That one's got to be great. And by the way, we're going to find out, I mean, if Donald has found guilty and goes to jail for four years and they still don't reveal, or Pekker doesn't reveal what he knows about Donald, it might take five more years or 10 more years, whatever. We will get the story on Pekker and Trump. It might be sooner, it might be later, but it's coming. Now, you can see a sign up on the TV right in front of you. It says, call now and you can. You can call me at 314-471-1968. It's 314-471-1968. I would love to talk to you about what's going on today. There are so many things. You've got the Arizona indictment. You've got the appeal on the e-gene Carol case that has now been lost at least as far as with Judge Kaplan is concerned. You've got Pekker laying out all this information in the court that is so easy for the jury to understand. It's perfect. You got Donald Trump in serious trouble and they still haven't even dealt with the gag order yet, but they will and it's not going to be good. The longer he waits, Mershan. The longer Mershan waits, the more that I believe that Donald is in serious trouble over the gag order and he should be. He's broken the gag order at every turn and then they gave that idiotic story to the court about he didn't mean it. He didn't know what he was posting. He didn't say it was delirious. He just said that he was so busy that he couldn't read everything that he actually posted so that he posted things which just happened to violate the gag order, but he didn't know that. He just threw them online. I heard him say that these things were so complicated that he put online that it was like reading a novel. It was too much for him. He couldn't, couldn't do it. He couldn't handle it. So since he couldn't handle it all inadvertently, he violated the gag order. Now, remember what Donald's facing, having said that, he's facing a judge who told his lawyers that based on this story, that they had lost every bit of credibility with the court. So he's got a little problem. Now you, on the other hand, don't have any problem because I can solve three-year problems right now. The first one is what are you going to do for dinner? Well, you can go to wenties and that's at 18,000 Chesterfield Airport Road. It's in Chesterfield Valley and you will find that the food there is excellent. 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Okay, you know, there's still a whole bunch of other things that I can talk about. And so I'll tell you know what I'm going to do? I think I'm going to back up a second and talk a little bit of economics, not too much, but just a little. You know, about three weeks ago, I talked about interest rates going up and they had been creeping up and they have continued to creep up. They're moving higher. Now, I'm not saying that they're going to move higher. I'm just telling you what they're doing. And it's funny because, and I've followed this all my life, but the stories that are being told have to do with the Federal Reserve getting ready to lower the rates. The rates are going up and if you actually go out and get a copy of the Wall Street Journal from two days ago, they had an article on the front page where the housing mortgage rates had inch back up to 7% and that's high. It's a lot of money. You know, between 2% and 7% if you're talking about a $100,000 house, I mean, you're talking about the difference between 200 a month and 700 a month. Now, I understand, you know, $100,000 mortgage is nothing. So you know, maybe a $400,000 mortgage at 2%, that's 800. At 7%, it's 2800. Okay, now that, let's just check here. Well, I don't know if I trust that. Are you able to check this call? This is a good one? Okay, here we go. You're on the air. Go ahead. Hello, Marcus. Greg, how you doing? Well, I'm doing great, Greg. I didn't recognize the number and I just wasn't sure which phone and the other day I let somebody in that didn't want to get on the air. So anyway, terrific, I'm glad you're here. Talk to me. Well, you want to talk about financials? Well, I'm talking about interest rates right now and how they're creeping up and I also don't know if you saw this, but there have been some pretty wild moves in the market the last couple of days yesterday, Amazon and Facebook, which is meta, got slammed and also NVIDIA and a couple of other things. And then today after the close, Alphabet, which is Google, was up $21, which is a pretty good move at 157, now it's 178, then Amazon turned around and ran back $6 back to the upside and the S&P was up four points or 400 equivalent on the dial after the close. So there have been some big moves after the close. A lot of this has to do with earnings and yet we're still sort of developing a little bit of a downtrend in the last maybe three or four weeks, not big, but a little. And those interest rates are creeping up. So what do you think? Well, the quarter you're right, the quarterly earnings that came through this month, tomorrow is chartered spectrum, the third or the second is Apple and both are expected to take big losses. Why? Because yeah, the interest rate is going up. Why is the interest rate going up? Because the feds are not lowering interest rates because they're afraid of inflation. Okay. But wait one second now. You said the rates are going up because of something the Fed is not doing. Exactly, but wait, but the Fed is clearly telling people that they're getting ready to lower rates. So why would those rates be going up if it had anything to do with the Fed? Because that's my only argument to you. I don't think it has anything to do with the Fed. I think that the rates are just creeping up because the market is taking a look at what's going on and worries that allows it. Yeah. I agree to a point, but maybe the Fed, the, you know, this, this federal market and all the stock markets and all that is always subject to opinion. And that's the biggest problem. You get one little bad thing and the whole market goes to shit. Okay. Well, as I say to my brother and I realize it's allowed, but I'd watch the language here. But, but yeah, no, that's all right, but let me say this. That's how markets have always worked. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, it's capitalism and you just got to be alert. That's all. Yes. Yes. I daily watch my stocks and my inductance. You know, I piddled when I was younger, I piddled when I'm older with it. And you know, I'm doing fairly good. I'm actually doing better on the downturn than the, the, the stock going up. Sell it at the high when I know there's something bad company coming. And the stock market goes down and then I buy it back at a lower rate. Yeah. Well, just think if you were, if you were Joe Kennedy, you could become a multimillionaire because that's what he did is he, he sold short in 1929 and it changed the entire face of the Kennedy family. Oh, yeah. So you could do it. Yeah. You know, and I do play with a fake account just for fun. We all have our own fake accounts just for fun. Over 80 times on my stock market when I was just playing in seven years. So a little easier, but you don't have the guts to do it in reality. I was just saying it's a little easier to play. Exactly. And play it safe on the regular, but with the, with the fake or the pseudo stock market, I've done pretty damn good for just that, right? So are you all, are you good at, at, in a panic stepping in and buying? Are you good at that? Actually, I'm better at selling when the, when the, when the COVID hit and we saw that come in a little bit, like two weeks behind, I told my mother-in-law to take all her money out and put it in the safe account. She did. And that stock, those that stock market, you remember dropped for like three weeks, 10,000 points. And I saw it well. 40%, 40%. Yeah. I saw that coming and saved her ass, I'm sorry, her tail that time with that. Not the one back in 2008, but this time it did. But it's all subject to all the, you know, the talk, the, the, whatever you call it, the investment for that year, like charter, they are going down because everybody switching from all in one to bits and bits of shows or networks or whatever you want to call it, like Pluto and, and what, ABC, NBC, Peacock, all those ones. So there was no money. You got to watch those things and there's green dirts out there that screw everybody over. You know that too. Yeah. I do know that very well because actually for a number of years, I worked with a law firm in town and we sued stock brokers who ripped off their clients and I was the expert witness because I've been doing this since I was 14 years old, which is kind of crazy, but I have. I understand. I've been doing it since high school myself. Yeah. So the third mistake back in the day, back in Poland, 40 years ago, when the stock market was on the newspaper, wait, what, what's a newspaper? Exactly. Yeah. It's a rotary phone, right? Yeah. But we definitely know what a fake newspaper is because that's Donald. Well, you know, I knew I'd get a hesitation there. Well, let me put it to this one. Yeah. I am a non-democratic, non- insufficient, non-independent person. I picked the best one that I think's for the job. Honestly, I voted for Obama. I thought he was the best for the job. I voted for Bush when I thought he was the better for the job at the time. I think Trump is a Braggadocious Arrogant ass jerk when he's a typical businessman. And when they do all this stuff, he's on the air. No, I'm not going to be very stupid, but he is from that era of businessmen, business women, business people that went out for the martini, went to the hotels, grabbed butts, went to strip club, all that error. You know, if he showed blazing saddles on regular TV, he'd get seven minutes on it. And that's it. And that's what Trump is, but to me, he's the better choice. Yeah. I mean, no offense, no offense to Joe, but he, even if he's made everything right, he is not up for this for four more years. He's falling asleep at the podium. He's bringing the teleprompter off. You know, he goes, four more years, cause well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. You're better choice than Trump and Biden. Yeah. Here's the thing. Biden is old. He can barely walk. Right? Right. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's of course Roosevelt couldn't stand up at all. So you know, that's not exactly a, you know, criteria, but, but on the other hand, I mean, he does look horrible. He's struggling. Yeah. But, but, but now listen, look at the people he has working for him from, from Anthony Blinken to, to all the way through his government. These are young people who know what's going on. They're very accomplished. They, they, they have done an excellent job of keeping us out of war. You know, Putin is in a great job, but they had Biden's put us into war with Iraq, or Iran, with, with Hamas and with Russia, he's doing a real great job. I'm not, you know, the money is being spent on them instead of the border. You know, they're going to be taken, they're going to be taking up more space and more jobs for illegal. So I guess you forgot that Trump had a, that we had a deal on the border and the Trump said, kill the deal because the border needs to be something that I can use to run against Biden. I mean, does that matter to you? Of course I've told them the same thing. I'd say, let the, let the border follow the ship or it's all right, sorry, follow the crap right now, because we want, we want Trump want Biden to fail. Yeah. I can see both sides of it. I see both sides. But I always, I will always look and it sounds like a cop-out, but I always sit on the top of the fence first before I make a decision on the end of the war. How we, how will you feel if the jury comes back and says guilty and the judge says four years in jail? I say, come on, jail, if it's proven and the legal system has done their job the right way, which is, you know, we could get into another hour subject about the legal system, you know, letting out murders after seven years. But yes, I would accept that. Like I said, I stand on the fence until I decide what gives me the answer that I see. So if they got that first error that he did this and did that, you know, he's got pictures of aging, Carol, all those crazy things, yeah, put him in jail. Okay. I'm going to ask you this, if he goes to jail, will you vote for him? No. Oh, okay. So you'll vote for Joe Biden? No. Oh, okay. I didn't think so. I don't know. I'll vote both of us. I'll decide that. And then the time comes. I'll be honest too. I, if Joe Biden will win against Trump back in 2016, I might have had a harder decision than they might have. Well, what about this? What about this one? What if Joe Biden wins? And let's say wins by, I think it's going to be a pretty good margin. So then my question is this. Trump says it's a rigged election and I won by a landslide. Are you going to believe them? No, I'm going to say prove it. Well, it's not going to I don't believe that there was total mishandling of the election. I think they left open case suspicious situation with doing the mail in ballots. And let's be honest, the political system has never been honest. Yeah. Mail in ballots, by the way, are routine. You realize, you realize, you realize it's Trump, I work for the election board. Okay. You realize that Trump voted with a mail in ballot, right? He did. Yeah, he did. Remember when Hillary was talking about all those tax laws, about cutting out, it means to think, you guys use them, all your friendships and I'm going to use them too. That's the double standard that we're facing. And but I would support Trump only jail. I would support it proven that, you know, somebody goes in Trump's place, but I will not vote until I decide who's the better choice. Let me, how about this one, then I don't know. How about this one, Gray? If tomorrow the judge puts Donald in jail for a day because he says Donald's in contempt for threatening witnesses, intimidating jurors, just in general, violating the gag order at least 10 or 11 times, how are you? Is that okay? Walk them up. Okay. They'll make some rules. Walk them up. If my kid, if my kid was to do something stupid or wrong, you'd be grounded. Okay. So I'm just asking why you'd vote for a guy because you know he's done it. You know he's violated the gag order. You know that he's intimidating witnesses and the funny thing is look at what he's doing with his buddy, Pekker, with Pekker, he won't say anything bad because there's probably something that Pekker could say and Donald's trying to stop it. Has Donald ever given anybody a break? No. And I should be sure, you know, like you said, Pekker and Avonade and Cohen, they're all trying to save their butts. You know, when Trump is the end, he said he's a jerk and a braggadocious, what I mean to call it. But they use that to their advantage to save their butts, you know. So I'm just wondering why you'd want a president that they act like that. No, I support him right now as the leading candidate, but I could change that in five minutes. If the things go the way they might know, you know, he might go to jail. So now I have another choice. But. Well, how about this one? I got another. I love to ask questions. Okay. So are you married? Twenty-two years, happily. Okay. So you got a wife. You got a daughter? No. I have two boys. Okay. But they've pro... Are they married? No. One is divorced and one is just starting off at life at 22. Okay. So maybe someday they'll both be married. Here's my point. You could have a lot of women in your family. And I'm not talking about abortion. Here's what I'm interested in. You know that women all over this country are in danger because doctors are now, they're now afraid to perform very normal kinds of healthcare on women because somebody might accuse them of trying to perform an abortion. Are you concerned that Donald is right behind all of that? Well, asking my opinion on abortion. Well, no, because I don't care about abortion. I want to know, I want to know what we're going to do to protect women. That's what I want to know. Well, that's the first part. Abortion. You know, I personally do not believe in abortion, otherwise my youngest son wouldn't be around. But I do believe in a person's right. We make that choice at a certain point, be it may, like they say, incest and all those others, there should be a legal limit because one, we don't know how that person can turn out after they're born. You know, incestuous. You never know what's going to happen to that. Okay. But you see, what I'm trying to get at is I want to forget that. I don't even want to. I don't even want to talk about that. What I want to talk about is what are we going to do to protect women because our country, our country, which is in every other respect, I mean, we're the greatest country in the world. I mean, we are. Well, yeah, we are. No, we're not. We're not. We're not. You're wrong. We're very wealthy. We're very wealthy. We've got, we've got more jobs coming in than any other country in the world. And our GDP is in the whole. No, it isn't. Yes, it is. Look it up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, China's got a GDP of about 16 trillion and ours is like almost 30 trillion. It's not even close. It's not even close. Really? Look it up. It's not close. No, it is. It is. It is off. And you know that as well as I know, no, no, no, great, I really go. This is a great country. I will say this is a great country, but it's not the great country it used to be. It's allowing the things to happen. It's allowing people to to, and what do you call it, influence our children with some of these indoctrination of violence, protest, transgenderism, things like that. We are not the country we need to be, we can be and we should be. Well, I want, I want to say, I'll say one thing about that. How about, listen to this one, you'll have a second to answer it. You know, when I was a kid, people that were my age were blowing up buildings. They were taking, we took over all the buildings at UCLA. We changed everything on campus. We demanded things and insisted. We, I mean, the police came on campus. We said pigs off campus. I mean, what is there today that is different than what I just described? I mean, sounds to me, sounds to me like America. Respect. That's what's lost. We didn't have respect. We didn't have the violence that we do now with the shooting people. Oh, no. Well, that's because of the guns. Firehoses out there, we had personal rights, they're not so defined back then, that you could get arrested for breaking wind nowadays. Back then, you suffered the police would push you into the car, shove you into the car, throw you into the car. That kind of thing, back then, when they didn't mess around. Now we've got a bunch of great people with, how do I put it, we want someone to do it. We are missed. We have great people with misguided thoughts. Yeah. Well, I will say this because we've got to run off the air here, but I will tell you. Because the Jewish people is wrong, Hamas is not a religion. It's an ideology. Yeah. Well, I'm just going to say that they didn't. They didn't. They didn't. They never pushed me into a car. I got away every time. And as far as the other thing, with one minute to go, we can't do it, but I'd love to talk to you again sometimes. I really appreciate your calls. Really great. I'd be glad to. Okay. Great. You have a great day. Me too. And this is Showdown, of course, brought to you by St. Louis suit company, Wenties, and Jules on Hampton and we're going to see you tomorrow with all kinds of new developments. I'm sure out of New York, stay tuned. See you then.