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2717: Know Your Rights: Inclusion of youth and their rights to vote in the upcoming election
Good morning and welcome to know your rights program on Radio Miraya, a program that comes to you every Friday after the news at 9 a.m. And also it's a program that talks, of course, about your rights and other people's rights and how to address them when violated with this morning. We're glad to have our guests here with us to have a conversation and we discuss about how youth can participate and as well be active in the upcoming elections. So basically inclusion of youth and their rights to vote in the upcoming election. Remember the National Election Commission has come out and said what does registration will start in June. So meaning there will be elections. So how can the young people who consists probably of more than 70% of the population participate and be inclusive in these democratic process? Well, I'm glad to have with me here in the studio count that David James, who is the program manager, working for Amalna South Sudan. And also we have Christina Yaqub Kenney, program manager for Federation of Women Lawyers Association in South Sudan. David, good morning and welcome to know your rights. Good morning, David and the listener of Miraya FM. Welcome. Good to have you, Christina Yaqub. It's been a while having you in this program. Yeah, thank you, David. And thank you Radio Miraya for giving us this opportunity. I would like to grant all the lessons outside there. And I would like to thank you all for the opportunity. I would like to thank you all for being here. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you. And thank you Radio Miraya for giving us this opportunity. I would like to grant all the lessons outside there. And briefly, the country of course is moving towards election. And towards election and the youth are key in all electoral processes. Now, what are some of the programs and activities that Amalna, let's begin with you, Mr. Cowndam, Amalna currently engaging the youth in and when it comes to creating awareness and sensitizing them to take effective part in this process? Thank you, David, for this question. Amalna, it's also done. Actually, our target beneficiaries are youth, women and persons with disability. Although we do also do engage a lot at the stakeholder. So we have a project called Promotion of Social Cohesion to Mitigate Electroviolence in South Sudan. The project is funded by Christian Aid. And under this project, we did training for the youth who are male and female. That is why we trained our youth led and women led organizations in Juba. We trained the 15 women led and youth led organizations in Torit. And 15 youth led and women led organizations combined in Bohr. And the training was on addressing structural barriers that hinder civic space for the youth to be able to express their rights. And also looking at head speech in mitigating electroviolence. And one of the things was also mitigating ethnic content. As we're looking towards elections, violence can easily come where leaders, I mean followers, or voters, attach themselves to leaders on tribal lines. And so it can lead also to violence. So this is one of the things that the project did. The second is we launched a social media campaign called the YWNPP. And the YWNPP has been bringing in webinars on specific topics on mitigating head speech, mitigating ethnic content, promoting social cohesion, but also doing civic and voter education for women, youth and persons with disability. And also yesterday we had a national consultative youth conference that brought government officials, the office of the first vice president Rebecca Nandeng was represented for the official of the conference. And UN agencies, I mean NGOs, persons with disability women and youth participated in that conference. It was looking at the role of women, youth and persons with disability in peace building and the electroprocessors. That's a great program right there that you put. Now let's talk particularly about mitigating violence during these election processes. Because this is the first time South Sudan actually has an independent countries going towards election. And many, many young people will be voting for the first time. Now why do you think it's really, really important to focus more right now on mitigating election violence? And what should the young people do particularly to avoid that? They focus on mitigating electroviolence. Actually when you look at why we are focusing on mitigating electroviolence is that the effects of election violence, they are very, very huge and they take years for a country to recover from. So before it happens, this project supported by Christian Aid is looking at preventing these huge bad effects of electroviolence from happening before it happens. That's why for us we are not interested in whether the election is happening in December or not. But whether it is happening in December or beyond December, we are preparing a ground for peaceful elections. Because say a bit and a listener, the effects of electroviolence for a nation and for the people are very, very huge. And for a nation to recover from, it really takes a lot of time. That's why we are looking at making sure that this doesn't happen. And for this not to happen, one, the element of tribalism, two, the element of ignorance. Most of the youth are ignorant and they can easily be manipulated or used for violence before, during or after elections. And another aspect is the dependence syndrome. Most of the youth, they are, they are, they don't, I mean the economic status, they are very poor. So they may take advantage of, you know, election situations just to get something out of it and they will not care about the future. And the other issue is the youth, the women, they don't have a common identity, you know, that will make them really to focus on the common goal, the common agenda to desist them from going to violence. So that's why it is important to start addressing issues of mitigating electroviolence now. All right, great. I will get back to you, Mr. County. And I'm glad that you did mention that it doesn't matter whether the election happens in December or beyond. Because that's why we're a little careful about mentioning dates here as it continues. Well, with us it's also Christina Yakub, Kenny. Christine, you are the program manager for Federation of Women Lawyers Association in South Sudan. And as this is the first time South Sudan is going to conduct an election as an independent country, of course, a lot need to be done. Because many, many people don't know what even election is, they've never voted in their entire life. Now as women lawyers association in South Sudan, tell us some of the programs that you're having in order to try to create this kind of awareness for people. Yeah, thank you, Seppit, and to all the listeners outside there. How about that when it's bad to become any language you choose? Yeah, it's okay. I can speak both in Arabic and English. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. We are the feeder. We are currently now focusing on the promotion and the protection of the right of the women during election. Going back to the history before the independence, South Sudanese women, they have played really a great role during the referendum or the separation in 2011. And yeah, when we're talking about Jews, and also there is women who are used. And I think also women, also a big majority or also the big population outside there. So they play really a great role in bringing together communities for dialogue and all this for the prevention of the electoral violence. One of the activities that we are currently doing, that raising awareness about the equal participation of the youth women during election. And also, things to do with the freedoms that is in share eyes on the constitution of South Sudan, like freedom of media, the freedom of expression. And also the freedom also of assembly and movement so that you cannot imagine that we shall have an election without those freedoms. And also the information, the dissemination of the information to the grassroots down there. We are trying also to reach the grassroots down there through radio talk shows like this. And also through visiting some of the states. We did not reach all the states, but I was in Malachal last week. And also, yeah, we do also networking like with among the media, he mentioned before, common dimension, the dialogues and the conference that we had. So those are some of the activities that we have been implementing. Great. Now, looking at these, because this is the first time, the youth are aware of their rights to vote or to be voted. Mostly, those are the grassroots, especially in the state parliament, Obama of South Sudan. And how do we make sure that they get to know really the whole process of election as it comes? Yes, please. Okay. First of all, I can say to a less extent, some youth, they know their rights and they know their right to vote. But I think that to a greater extent, majority of the youth might not know their right, especially their right to elections, especially the youth in the rural areas. Given the fact that also there are issues of illiteracy and issues of access to the grassroots. You know, even us in our work, we can't reach all the villages, we can't reach all the bombers, we can't reach all the payams, so it lives a gap. And if you look at the African youth chatter, it really guarantees the rights of young people to participate in public life and even in elections. But if you can ask, do most of the youth, do they know about even the African youth chatter, which guarantees their rights? For example, the country signed this African youth chatter 10 years ago, and the youth chatter mentions very clearly all nations should develop comprehensive youth policy for the country. To champion the role of youth in engaging youth, and for now, we don't have a national youth development policy, and this is affecting the youth. So if the country doesn't have a youth policy that informs programming of youth for the young people, then how about the young people themselves now? So this is a very great gap, so I believe that because there's no national youth policy to allow the youth to know what belongs to them and what programs belong to them, and then it becomes difficult for them to know even what the country has for them or what they have for themselves through the policy. Because this policy is supposed to be developed in a very consultative manner that the youth informs this policy themselves. So if this policy could be there, then it is policy that youth were consulted, they informed the policy, so they will begin to own their rights from such a legal document, which we don't have. And the other issue is like the issue of insecurity, and like I said, access, and also limited resources for us to also reach more youth in the remote areas. It leaves a very great gap of the youth not really getting enough sensitization, enough capacity building in terms of them knowing their rights. Thank you, Mr. Konda. Yes, Christina, is there something you'd like to add on that? Yeah, I think that the youth outside, they're differs from states to states. Like for example, if we see youth, for example, at Bebora, in Gumbelay, they have different interests rather than youth in Guba or in Central Victoria and let us say the other region of their states. And there is a lot of conflict outside there, like let us go to the cattle camps. The interest of the youth outside there is different, you know, thinking on how to get more cattle on how to get wealth and all this. So I think those youth are not informed, they need to be informed about election, and they need to be informed about all these processes. You know, even youth in Guba here, most of them are not informed. Due to their lack of employment, everyone is busy, you know, looking for survival. When you talk about elections and all these, who cares? You see, they were like, we're looking for food, you know, and all this. Let's talk about that though, how important is it for the young people to participate in these upcoming elections? It's really crucial, David. First of all, the young people participating in elections, one, South Sudan has the biggest young population in the country. The youth constitute more than 70% of their population in the last census, as it depicts, and what does this mean? This means that the future of this nation is on the young people, and if they don't participate in the elections, then they are not informing the decision-making processes of shaping the country and even contributing to the development of the nation. And number two, if the young people are not participating in the elections, then they will not have the electric act clearly gives out the percentage of the young people to be in public offices. And how will they get that if they don't participate? So for them to get that given right, then they need to participate. They can't participate to be voters, and they can't participate to be voted as leaders. So we want to see young parliamentarians. We want to see, we want to see policies that are developed in this country with the voices and decisions of the young people. So otherwise you'll have policies that are held in nature. Do you know the difference between the elders and the youth is that the elders, for them, they live their life on memories, on memories, on what they have done in the past. But the young people, they live their life on dreams, on what they envision to see. So the vision of this country will be carried forward. The South Sudan we want will be shaped and we will see it through the young people engagement in political processes. So if they don't participate, then this country will be in danger because even for the elders to transition in leadership from where they are to taking the country to the next, there should be a leadership, a mentorship. The ones who are in the power now, they need to coach, they need to mentor, and they can't do this outside. They should mentor this youth when they are in the system. So that when they are retiring, they can live a man power that is well trained, that is well coached, that is well capacitated to run the country forward. Yes. Have you ever had some young people talking and saying, and I've come across a lot of them saying, no, you know, I don't want to participate in politics. I don't want to talk about politics. I don't want to talk. Yet, almost politics control your entire life. What you eat, what you drink is all about politics. Now, what will you say to young people like that who might not even see the significance of participating in elections? They will never create the change that they want if they are not part of the change. You can only create the change when you are part of the process. So by them, let me tell you, the youth in this country now, we have three categories of youth in this country. The first group of youth are those who have given up. The ones you have mentioned. For them, they have given up. They have given up and they are not interested in that. So that's one group of the young people, those who have given up. Then the other group of youth are those who support politicians. Whether they benefit from it or they don't benefit from it. If you talk ill of that politician, that youth has a problem with you. For them, they just follow blindly. And then the third group of youth are those who are doing business. They are very serious engaging on border border or doing productive business. These are the youth who do not want violence. They don't want conflict. Because if conflict comes, it will affect the incomes that they are already getting. So that group of persons who talk to you like that, those are the ones who have given up. And I want to tell them, do not give up. And it is until you, that's why Amalna, the name Amalna, is an Arabic word meaning hope. We want to give people hope. They look here. Don't give up. We don't need to give up as a country. We don't need to give up as women. We don't need to give up as youth. So we need to continue to pursue the dream that we want to have as our Sudanese. So they should never give up. Thank you. If you just join us, you're listening to Know Your Rights on Radio Miraya, Ween Me, Sevi to William. Now my guest today is found at David James, program manager working for Amalna South Sudan. And also we have Christina Jakub, Kenny, program manager for Federation of Women Lawyers in South Sudan. Well, you can share your thoughts with us on this particular conversation. You can join us by calling us on 0.9.2. 686297. Call us on 0.929686297. You can as well send us a text message on 0.912177141. And we'll be able to take your calls and you will be able to participate in this particular problem. So if you have any question, comment, inquiry that you'd like to find out, please don't hesitate and talk to our guests. Now Christina, let's come to you. Let's talk briefly about the women participation, especially in the upcoming elections as well. And we have many young ladies or women who as well will be participating for the first time in this election. How important is the participation of women in this? Yeah, it is very important for the women to take part during upcoming elections. Why? For the prevention of violence, because we know that women also are the majority of the society. And from the previous experience that we had in our country, we saw the great role that women have played during the peace negotiation, upcoming to their referendum and suppression, and also the role that they're playing now for bringing peace in the country. So women don't encourage violence within the community. Rather than they can bring the communities together, you know, for dialogues and all this. So we can assure that with the participation of the women that we can prevent the electoral violence, and even during and after the election. For example, if the results come out after the election, if women have been participated fully, I think that we can prevent any violence that may occur after election. Can I add something? Yes, please. You know, women are naturally very good in spreading information. And if you want to... Can you say women are gossified? No, no, no. I said spreading information. Whether positive or negative information, that remains another issue. But they're naturally very good in spreading information. And if you want to pass elections, by the way, if you want to vote, you need to engage the women. And women can promote themselves to pass in elections because they have the power. They have that natural power. And by the way, women and young women, especially, need to participate in these elections. Why? Because if they don't participate, we will have more mail in the parliament. And the more mail in the parliament will pass, this must clean laws. The laws that will be passed in the parliament will be a potential in nature. You know, laws that do not have gender sensitive eyes. Last time I was in the parliament and were for a public hearing on the national budget process. And we were articulating that the national budget should be gender sensitive in nature. And it was the men who were talking more about gender sensitivity of the budget. And because you also know that women, they are only given a 35% and even the 35% yet is not representative in their government institutions. Some institutions have, yeah, others don't. So if the women don't participate in elections, one, they will have less representation in the parliament. They will not influence the policies that will favor women interests. Number two, if the women don't participate in these elections, then addressing the issues and the problems that are very specific to women will be very difficult. Because if you have a leader that carries your problems with you, that leader will easily influence, you know, rolling out solutions to that. So we need women to participate not only as voters, but to be elected as leaders in state parliament, in county councils, in the national parliament. And even at the presidency level, yeah, and also the gubernatorial level. So it's very, very important for them to address their issues. They need to be part and partial of the leadership and the decision-making in the country. Alright, if you just noticed, this is now your rights on Radio Miraya. Well, you can call us and talk to us this morning here. We'll be opening the line shortly so you can ask any question or comment that you have to our guests. Hello Miraya, good morning. Good morning, sir, good morning to our guests. Good morning. Welcome, your name, please. And where are you calling from? Yes, speaking to Santino Cormier, I'm calling and don't be here. Santino Cormier is always good to have you on this program. Please go ahead. Yeah, I don't have any enough question to ask, but I will ask our guests in the studio. Mm-hmm. Like my question goes like this. You have talked a lot, I've been following this discussion since from the beginning. As a decide of youth, we have seen that the majority of us were almost even losing hope in this country. Because the way things are going, it is really discouraging us. So my question goes to him. Is this election going to be legitimate? Because there are some other parties who do not even start campaigning. And there is one party that is campaigning in every place. So is this election going to be legitimate and fair election? That is my question, my first question. Then the second question, after the election. And so if there is a rebellion that is going to take place after election, what are the participants that are going to be given to those parties that do create a rebellion to bring youth back into this suffering again? Thank you. All right. Thank you, Santino Court, for your questions and for your participation as well in this particular program. Now, Santino said many young people in this country are losing hope from the way things are going. And he has, of course, his concerns about the legitimacy and the fairness of the upcoming election. Now, Christina, what would you say to him as a legal practitioner? Yeah, I think that thank you first of all, Santino. And I would like to comment that it is not important now whether the election will take place or not. But the most important thing is that we need to work for the preparation of the ground for that election so that we can be ready as citizens of South Sudan as they use women and the persons with disability. You know, so that we can have that fair election that we are dreaming about and the legitimate thing that we are thinking about it. So without preparation and without, you know, being ready for it, I think those are the consequences that we will be able. That's why we are now discussing about, you know, how can we go into the elections, you know, and prepare ourselves. So yes, the election particular calendar is noted there. What we understand is from the National Election Commission, they came out and say that voters registration will start in June in just in a press conference a week ago. Now, Santino, as you heard from Christina, it is not about when the election will take place, but it's important that you have the knowledge and you get to know what exactly is expected from you. Yes, I was coming to you actually, would you like to add something else? To Santino, first of all, I want to tell him that the youth has a responsibility. And the young people have a responsibility in shaping the status quo of the country. So as a citizen, you have a responsibility. And if you don't play that responsibility, don't expect someone to change the situation for you. Because you are supposed to play your role as a citizen and as a young person of this country using your role to influence the status quo. So that means that all the young people need to step up on executing their role as a citizen, but also as a young person to influence the status quo of the country. Because if they don't play their role, then the whole situation will just remain there. So we are part and parcel of playing role in shaping the country. That's one thing I want to tell him. Then about the element of losing hope given the current situation. I want to say that the young people were the ones who fought in the bush to bring South Sudan to where we are now. And they can also use peaceful means to change the status quo now that are making them frustrated. Because if they did to bring a country, why can't they do to bring the peace, the development and the sustainability that we want. So they have the strength. And he asked a question, a $1 million question that is this election going to be free, fair and legit. That is a $1 million question that we cannot have the specific answer, but what I want to say is that the civic voter education that we are doing now. And my belief is that how we prepare for these elections before the elections will shape the quality of elections that we want to have. And if we don't begin to prepare now and just sit back and we say we are waiting for elections, then that is where the issues of the questions he raised are going to come. So that's why we have this pilot project on promotion of social cohesion and mitigating electoral violence before the elections. So, and we have the electoral act, we have also the political parties act. So citizens need to know about the provisions in these laws so that if anybody is doing something out of this, then that person should be held accountable. So citizens have a very big role to play in making sure that the election is free, fair and of course legitimate. Now, before we take another phone call, let's go through some of the text messages we are receiving here. Peter Bulb got my from POC3. It's a good morning Radio Miraya. My message to the listeners and the people of South Sudan are largely that with the people living in the IDP comes across the country. We are not part of this election. We are not going to be part of this upcoming election for so many reasons that I cannot manage to mention all of them here. But one thing for sure is we feel neglected and there's no basic needs and requirements that we are getting. Christina, how will you respond to this kind of message? Yeah, I would like to say that there is a big population outside there within the IDPs and all this. I think the state needs to put more efforts to reach out all those citizens. If we are going to have upcoming elections, giving them the basic information about the election. Also, the freedom to come out and speak and also to assemble and express themselves. Without that, I think that it will not be inclusive. We need this election to be inclusive and the participation of everyone to be guaranteed by the state that everyone must participate. My answer to that colour is very straightforward. We all know that there are issues of limited service delivery in the entire country. When it comes to health, when it comes to education, there are a lot of challenges. My answer to him is that him and all the IDPs need to participate in this process. Why? Because the lack of social services, this election gives us an opportunity for us to elect the right leaders who will now give us the services. So if there is a leader who is coming to campaign and asking you to vote him or he has done nothing in your community, even if he's your uncle and your aunt, why should you vote for this person? So the citizens now have an opportunity to really scrutinize who can be that person that they can entrust to be in that office, to channel the services to reach to them. That's my answer to him. All right. Thank you very much. And you're listening to Know Your Rights on Radio Miraya. My name is David William and I have my guest here with me in the studio and we're looking and of course having a conversation on inclusion of the young people and the rights to vote in the upcoming elections. Now this programme is organised as well by the United Nations Human Rights Division, which is of course here in the United Nations, the United Nations Human Rights Division and Radio Miraya. Now as we continue, you can share your thoughts with us, still give us a call or send us a text message. Now Galois McQuay from Manga 10 is sending us a text message and he's saying I would like to welcome the guests in the studio. Now with the young people in this country, I've lost hope in everything. That's why you categorise as them into three groups. Now the hope is what you guys say. There's going to be voter registration in June. What if they propose voter registration by past June? Do you think the elections will commence in December? Well, Galois is not as saying the voter registration will start in June, but the National Election Commission came out just a week ago and announced that elections will, no, no, rather voter registration will start in June just to say that. Now a calendar you also had from Galois McQuay from Manga 10 and he's saying the young people, just saying the same thing that was said earlier, the young people have lost hope and that's why you categorising them into three groups. It seems like they seem to be doubt about the whole participation of some people because they have lost hope. The least thing you can do to yourself to lose everything about your life is to lose hope. And there are instances in the country where we see young people who have committed suicide because they have lost hope. But the most precious thing ever you can have in this world is your life. And hope is the best driver to the soul, to the spirit, to the mind and to the heart. So I will say once again that all the young people, despite the situation that you are in, you don't need to lose hope. And you have an opportunity through the RRC which says that the country should go for elections and to vote the kind of leaders that they want. So if you want to change the situation that you are in, you can only do this in a very peaceful manner by participating in this election as a voter or even as a leader. For example, him and those are the ones who send a text, the ones who are also called. I encourage them even to stand for the elections. I encourage them if they can, let them stand for the elections to be able to become leaders to change the situation that they are in. Because you can only change it when you are a leader or by voting the right person to the offices. Very, very important message right there that you had from Mr. Kound. Instead of sitting and complaining, please, you have an area. You can be a member of parliament from your area representative. You can be in a governor of your state. A county councilor. A county councilor. You can be in a position. Any position. Yeah. Any position. You see? Obama, the administrator. Go on and on. So all those are positions that you can come busy. I use MP. Yeah. And women representative as well and all that. All right. You can talk to us. We can take one more caller and our lines are open. 0-9-2-9-6-8-6-2-9-7. The number once again is 0-9-2-9-6-8-6-2-9-7. And you can participate. We can send us as well on another line on 0-9-1-2-0-6-9-5-0. 0-9-1-2-0-6-2-0-7-9 and be live in the program. We'll take one column. But as we continue, of course, very, very important. There's quite a lesson to be very successful. They need a lot of technical support and all that. Now, what technical support do you think partners should provide to enhance electoral policies and its strategies to have credible, democratic, fair and peaceful elections for South Sudan? One of them is civic engagement. That is civic voter education. And that's what we are doing in the YWMPP platform of Amalna under the project. And also like what we are doing now on the media. So civic voter education is very important. For example, the citizens need to start preparing. Now, if you don't have sincere and they say that for you to vote tomorrow, you need sincere. Start looking for money to get sincere. And if you, for example, when they say time for registration comes, where are you going to register? Which is the place that you can easily go to vote without challenges of transport? You need to start figuring out these things. So these basic requirements that are needed, the citizens need to know. If they know, they will prepare. So civic voter education is one thing that the young people need. And then also for those who want to become leaders, those who want to be voted, I encourage that the young people begin to unite. Let them have a common goal, a common agenda, since they are the biggest population in the country. They can easily vote for a young person to be a president because they have the numbers. And democracy is about numbers, but also we shouldn't look at only the issue of numbers only, but voting the right capable young person to hold that position. So they need to start to prepare. If you want to run for a position, you need to start preparing. What are those basic necessities that you need? Unfortunately, you have heard of the registration for those who want to register a political party. Their money is too huge for the young people who don't have enough resources to register a political party. Now even if you want to stand as independent candidate, the registration is too expensive. What do they need to do to break this barrier? They unite and mobilize resources and put together and say we are sending you for us. Let's take this one more call as we promised earlier before we can conclude this conversation. Hello, good morning. Hello. Yes. Hello, David. I'm David William. My name is David. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. Yes, my name is from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. Yes, I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I'm from the city of New York. I would like to say to all the listeners outside there that there is a big and huge number of persons with disabilities outside there. Also, need to be part of all these processes. You know, regarding from getting the information and to be involved fully in these processes during after and before the elections. So, they need not to be neglected. They need not to be left out. And people just would come to them only during the voting. So, the very important and part and partial of the society outside there and they can play really a great role. Thank you. Thank you so much, Christina. Count David, James, what would be your final remarks? My final remark is that for those who are still thinking, will there be registration? Will there be these reunification is not yet done? Poplessances are not done. I wanted to just ask the young people and all the South Sudanists to shift their mind from leaving those issues to the arrow Tigno to Hando as they easily engage themselves in preparing for the elections in terms of the basics that they need to do. But also knowing what the laws are saying for the coming elections so that they know they are right in this election. So, as the National Electoral Commission prepares the citizens, the young people, the women, the persons with disabilities should also prepare to take up on the elections as voters, but also as leaders. Thank you. Thank you so much, Mr. Count David, James. And thank you, Christina Yacob, for coming to know your rights program. Do appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you so much. And thank you, the listeners. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And yes, that brings us to the end of Know Your Rights for this week. Catch us next week for another edition of the program. I've been with you seven million. Do have a very, very lovely weekend. And as I always say, let the weekend know the weekend new. Bye-bye for now.