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Josh Filler talks Presidential Immunity & Aaron Chadbourne takes on the Chump Line | 4.29.24 - The Howie Carr Show Hour 3

Filling in for the Captain is Aaron Chadbourne, former senior policy advisor for Maine Governor Paul LePage. Aaron takes on the Chump Line. Then, he welcomes Josh Filler to the show to break down the SCOTUS hearing last week that will decide President Trump's plea for presidential immunity. Will Justice John Roberts and the gang likely side with Jack Smith? Tune in to find out.

Duration:: 38m
Broadcast on:: 29 Apr 2024
Audio Format:: mp3

Today's podcast is brought to you by Howie's new book Paperboy. To order today, go to HowieCarShow.com and click on "Store." ♪♪♪ Better strap yourself in. It's time for the Howie Car Show. Some of you complain that I don't take enough of your questions. No comment. Ha ha ha! Hurty ha ha! The problem is, people are always going to compare your first term to Obama's. But I think there are actually a lot of positive similarities. Obama got us out of a recession. You got us out of a pandemic. Obama got bin Laden. You got O.J. Ah, that wasn't so bad. What are you talking about? I bombed. You had some good stuff. The cancer bit. Live from the Matthews Brothers Studios. This has been coming since the 1960s. The people that were burning down college campuses, those people are now in the fact that they sent it, crying to encourage these students to do the same. All of it began the first time some of you who know better and are old enough to know better, let young people think that they had the right to choose the laws they would obey as long as they were doing it in the name of social protest. Rump swabs, hacks and moon bats beware. It's... Howie Car 844-542-42 The number here on The Howie Car Show. I am Aaron Chadborn sitting in for Howie. If you don't know me, I'm up at WGAN here in Portland, Maine, where I host Inside Maine. I fill in for the WGAN Morning News, and I also sometimes fill in for Grace, thrilled to be here filling in for Howie while he's traveling back to Massachusetts. So thanks so much for being with us. You know, Taylor, every time I hear that Colin Jost clip, and he says, "Everyone's going to compare year four years to Obama's four years," I don't know anyone who's comparing those four years, everyone's comparing the four years of Trump to the four years of Biden, right? Exactly. And the thing that they love, that Biden's been using lately is, "Were you better off four years ago?" And obviously, we were going through a pandemic four years ago that nobody will select few people knew was coming down the bike, we'll say. But it's incomparable, it's unfair, and they took that from, you know, he was saying, Trump was saying like in 2022, comparing it to four years ago from 2022 to 2018, but they'd take that out of context like they do with everything else he says, and they turned it into their own fodder. Did you feel seen by the way, when Colin Jost was joking about people watching C-Span at home on a Saturday night? I was watching it on CNN, not on C-Span. And so, no, I didn't. I thought it was a, that was, I think we were going somewhere else. I didn't call that cut, but it was basically, I hope they find your body before your cats do. Yeah, I don't even know where to find C-Span, but I have YouTube TV so I can watch it anywhere. I'm not always at home when I have it on, but I did want it because I lived in DC for a while, and it was really funny because I was working in business, I wasn't working in the government. And so nobody in DC kind of knew how to interact with you because they'd say like, oh, like who do you work for? You can say the name of your company, and they'd say, well, that's not anyone of stature, like you can't get me anything. I was like, yeah, like we're, we're like improving business. And, and they couldn't get it because it's such this weird culture of who you work for. And this, you know, it's this petty, like social climber, like situation. And the white house correspondents dinner, they called the nerd prom and used to have all this glam. And what I thought was so weird is that Grace made the point earlier when we were doing Grace's news that there weren't a lot of A-listers there. And there was a time, I think during the Obama administration where the A-listers all showed up, but here we are at the end of the Biden years, and they don't want to be seen with them. Number one, but you know, who didn't get the memo was Korean Jean-Pierre. She was dressed like she was at some red carpet premiere. And it was just in such, I think, contrast to how seriously other people were taking it because it was like a work dinner or like a benefit to raise money for scholarships. And it was just so awkward. But yeah, the other cut that we didn't get to, I don't know if we have it, was Colin Jost made the joke about leaving his cocaine at the White House. Because the glass I was in DC, I left my cocaine at the White House. And again, like it was awkwardness in the room because they've tried to memory hole that one so hard. So we would forget that, you know, we're talking about again, the end of Colin Jost thing is like, Oh, thank you. Thank you for restoring decency. You're a decent person. This is the White House that's made it permissible, acceptable, the norm, nothing to see here, nothing to investigate here, secret service. When there's cocaine found at the White House, by the way, I think this every time when I see Joe Biden dressed up for one of these events, he is probably one of the only people that looks worse in a tux than in a regular business suit. It's like a preview of coming attractions, you know, they also there was the thing Colin Jost made a joke about RFK, Jr. being the next Catholic president of the US. And Biden got excited. Like, I don't know if he didn't get the joke or he was trying to be sarcastic, but it just looked like this daughtering old man who didn't know what he was doing. And to be to be fair, like he didn't, right? Like he didn't like he tried to land all these jokes that were written for him. But I don't think I've ever and I've watched a lot of these speeches over the years at that at these these White House correspondent centers. And I think it's the shortest one ever. I don't know if there's a comparison historically there are sometimes that people didn't come. I remember there was one year. I don't know if it's Kevin Neilan that spoke, but Bill Clinton wasn't there. So he brought a cardboard cutout. Trump skipped them all right. He didn't go to them. But I think this was the shortest by any president because they don't trust him. Yeah, it was like an hour and a half. Well, the dinner was but but Biden's remarks, Biden's remarks were maybe two and a half minutes. It was really short. Like they barely let him get up. And there was other thing they did before because I wanted to see it. And CNN now does this like five hour live street like they make you think like it's going to be on the whole time. And it's really just 10 minutes at the end. But they did this thing where the presenting awards to some journalists and the journalists get to come in, shake the president's hand, get their picture with the president. And he was so awkward and weird in the photographs. Like, I really want to see the photographs they got out of it. He didn't smile. He wasn't nice. He made funny faces. Who's just cringe? It's cringe to the word. It might still have to say it. You're asking the wrong guy. Speaking of the wrong guy, I think now's a good time to get to the chum plane. Come on, how we pay off those kids loans. They're limited tents for sake. Number one, you didn't want to live in a tenant college like you wanted a nicer place to be. The future White House correspondent dinners may all be canceled. Would that it were Howard? Would that it were? Not only that, though, they had write us correspondence dinners when Trump was president before it. Like, this is the thing with the hyperbole of how they always like to joke that Trump is going to spell the end of democracy when really we're seeing the opposite when you have state run media and the alignment. That's what's really threatening democracy. Today's Trump line is brought to you by local Silver Mint located in Weren New Hampshire. Silver Dave will work with you directly. Contact him at local silver mint.com. Andrew, I mean, Aaron, it's Howie. While it's great to have a fellow mayor filling in, we have a problem. If you read your contract, the only way you get paid is if you say one nice thing per hour about Dear Field Academy. By my count, you own Dear Field three compliments. Get to work, Sonny. Jokes on you. We don't have a contract. I bet five wishes that President Trump was a six year old just so he could sniff his hair. He's not wrong. Yeah, Kristi Nome had to put down a mean dog. But at least he didn't eat it. A lot of the textures today. That was a theme is the dogs. Maybe we should just have a new rule that we leave dogs out of politics, whether you're Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, Kristi Nome, Ted Kennedy. Like it doesn't end well for the dog. I'm all for taking dogs down a peg. They're too high in the totem pole. In the eighties, it was the drug policy of Nancy Reagan to just say no. Donald Trump just say no. I didn't get that one. Driving this train. Biden's insane. Crazy Joe Biden has just lost his mind. Trouble ahead. Trouble behind. But Donald Trump can fix it. Just give him time. Wow. That was talent right there. I don't think I could be that creative and also put it to song. I know Grace has been trying to wrap some of these things. You should give that to her as an example. Did you know the song? No. Yeah, you're too young. Aaron, Governor LePage calling. It's good to hear a real manor filling in for a fake manor. Portland. By the way, you better watch out for Taylor. We ran that liberal lounge lizard on a bank or years ago. Those are the nicest words Paula Page has ever said to me. That was your last jump line message. Thank you for calling how we car. You chump. I will tell you the Taylor every day when I was working for Governor LePage, I would probably be getting in my car about this time and I would hit the chump line almost every day. So it does bring back good memories. Here at Governor LePage on the chump line. Seems appropriate. Man of man of habit. I guess got you out of the office every day. Same time. I don't know. Like it's funny because when you're in state government, like the government all leaves. And so I was one of the few people who would ever work past five. And so I would just go take stuff and work somewhere else because it was just awkward being in like the empty building. But you know, Governor LePage, he was very much. You keep to your schedule. You manage your time. There would be lights on in some of the state offices late at night. And he would say, if you're still there that late, you're mismanaging. Like I want good managers who can get the work done in a work day. And if you can't, there's something wrong. And he was a great manager and a really great guy. I do say though it does. I do get nervous anytime we combine the words Paula Page and voicemail. It's just a matter of habit. But that was certainly an episode for my past. But great chumpline. Thank you to all listeners. A four four five hundred forty two forty two. The number here on the Howie car show will take more of your calls when we come back. I'm Aaron Chadburn and this is the Howie car show. Howie will be right back after this short break. You're listening to the Howie car show. We're back on the Howie car show eight four four five hundred forty two forty two. The number if you would like to join the conversation. We're talking about the Vek earlier. Have you seen him much on the campaign trail? No, at the at the beginning, I think he was really after excited. He was trying to kind of jockey for Trump's favorite. Do you think he figured out that he wasn't really in the running for anything good? So well, there hasn't really been much of a campaign trail to go on. I would like to see the Vek in the courtroom. That would be fun to give the sketch artists like some practice. You know, it just like maybe that's it. Like there's no real that that's the whole thing. That's the whole campaign is just in front of the courtroom on the steps outside the trial. But the Vek, I think I expected to see a little bit more of him as a surrogate. I know the sand is now trying to be a surrogate come into the fold. Maybe like there was a meeting between Trump and to Sandis in Miami lasted several hours behind closed doors unlike that that famous picture with Mitt Romney. You think Trump offered him meatballs? He probably didn't offer them. It just probably came out. They served it. He made a bounce up run. Open up the cover and see them. Yeah, that would now I wouldn't put it past him. But at least he did it. He had the he had the the the what's the right word? He had the respect to do it behind closed doors out of out of respect for for meatball. That brings us to today's poll question, which of course is sponsored by Raycon. And it's a good sponsorship just in time for Mother's Day. You can help mom tune out all the noise this Mother's Day with a brand new pair of Raycon everyday earbuds. She'll get audio quality. She loves at a price that you'll love even more. Right now get 20% off plus three shipping at by raycon.com/howie. Taylor Cormier, what is today's poll question? And what are the responses thus far? Aaron Chadborn. Today's poll question, which you can vote in at howiecarshow.com is would you like to see Trump offer to Santa's position in the Trump administration? Yes, as VP. Yes, as a cabinet member. No, embarrass him with the Mitt Romney 2016 treatment or no, but be nice about it. I don't think he deserves the Mitt Romney treatment. So I say no to that. And I think I agree with a lot of the textures are saying they'd like to see him stay as governor of Florida finish out his term. So the answer is no, I go with no, but be nice about it. 38% say no, but be nice about it. 35% say yes, keep him as a cabinet member. 25% say VP, 2% say and don't actually embarrass him with the Mitt Romney treatment. There's a bunch of massacres in every group. And I guess I know we talked a lot about shooting the dog. So maybe that's what's bringing on. But what's interesting about this poll question though to Taylor is if you combine several of the categories, I know sometimes we've had like an other category and you don't know what's in the other bucket. So it could have been something else. But if you combine 20 that the people said, yes, as vice president, yes, as a cabinet member, that's really the majority. The majority is 60%, 60% would like to see Desantis end up in Trump's cabinet. Yeah, I don't see him as a VP. I don't think it's a good spot for him. But cabinet member, maybe again, I don't think that's Desantis's trajectory. I think that's somebody who's a little bit older, a little bit more statesman that wants a secure job to go out on someone with all the gravitas of, you know, transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg, someone who's seasoned and older. There was just so bizarre the choices that Biden made for his cabinet. But if if Desantis were going to be a cabinet member, other than vice president, which one would he be good for? Health and Human Services? That's a good question. I don't know. Maybe a G education, education, that would drive him wild. Although I think they're talking about Betsy DeVos coming back, but I think that would be an interesting one. I think their minds would explode. But that's also the thing that I experienced with Democrats when I worked in the La Page administration is anytime you put a Republican in charge of something that they saw as something that was theirs, their policy area, their, their policy priorities, they would get so offended. How dare you? You have no business here. And elections have consequences. And that's why I think it's important if you want to see change in any level of government, you have to vote out the people who are in charge and vote in people who will make better decisions. I actually liked that Trump's cabinet was pretty much a revolving door. Like he would just fire people at the drop of a hat if he felt they weren't doing the job that he asked them to do. Joe Biden has not gotten rid of anybody. I think the only one that has left was Marty Walsh, right? And that was of his own doing. Marty Walsh plus that weird communication staffer that had like the inappropriate relationship with the reporter. And Biden like had his back, but then like it got awkward. So he left. And I think it's now somebody else that is back to there was a funny tweet that I retweeted. I think Josh Barrow had tweeted it about how it seemed like Biden was taking just random list of people that he liked and drawing about a hat and assigning them to cabinet positions. And I retweeted it. And then one of my college roommates said, Oh, well, I think it's better than Trump's approach, which was taking the person that hates the department the most and putting them in charge of it. And I was like, that's actually a great strategy. I love that. Like that as a true conservative, the person who's going to do the most to shut down the department. That's why I want leading it. We're low on time. But let's grab the phone lines and talk to Mike. Mike, you're on how he car show. Hey, good afternoon. I think the sample is not a follow the Reagan model. And I don't compare him to Reagan, but he should take the next four years off, you know, after his governorship is done. And go around and make public appearances, make speeches to civic associations, Republican committee, stuff like that. Really, you know, nail down his positions, get him wired and get used to talking to the public. And I think that would get him a long way because everybody wanted to Santa's a couple of years ago. Now everybody's throwing him to the wayside. So I think he just needs to kind of rebuild himself and take the four years, not get involved in the Trump presidency and, you know, get himself position for the next go around. It's certainly an approach. Thanks for the suggestion, Mike. You know who else did that though was Nikki Haley. That was her approach. She left the Trump administration to take some time off to give some speeches to make some money to practice talking to people. And it didn't really seem to submit her positions, right? She flipped on everything. She flipped on whether or not she was going to challenge Trump. She flipped on so many things. It became the anti-Trump candidate. Didn't end well for her. We'll be right back on the Howie Car Show. I am Aaron Chadborn. Looking to give a mom in your life the gift of peace and quiet this Mother's Day, maybe you can't help mom run away from all her responsibilities. But at least you can help her tune them out with a brand new pair of Raycon earbuds. Raycon's everyday earbuds are the perfect way to tune out all the noise around you and tune in to something great. Their audio quality rivals all the big audio brands you know and love. At a price you'll love even more. With custom gel tips for a comfortable in-air fit, eight hours of playtime, and a 32-hour total battery life, Raycons are perfect for all day lists. Raycon everyday earbuds also come with three customizable sound profiles, noise isolation, and awareness mode. Maybe that explains the tens of thousands of 5-star reviews. Right now get 20% off your Raycon order plus free shipping when you go to byraycon.com/howling. That's 20% off and free shipping at byraycon.com/howling. We are back on the Howie Car Show. I am Aaron Chadborn filling in for Howie. Howie will be back tomorrow. Special thanks to the Portland radio group for letting me broadcast out of our WGAN studios up in Maine. Joining us now is Joshua Filler. He's an attorney. He's got experience in Homeland Security and all legal matters. It would so much still swirling around President Trump in this upcoming election. I thought now would be a good time to check in with Josh. Josh, welcome to The Howie Car Show. Good afternoon. How are you? I'm doing well. So I wanted to know that it's been a few days since the Supreme Court arguments and we've kind of let the dust settle. You've had time to process it. I would just love to get your assessment of what you're expecting the Supreme Court to do as it relates to this question around immunity for the president and how it impacts President Trump and the charges against him. So I think the court is poised to find that former presidents enjoy what's called qualified immunity from criminal prosecution for their official discretionary acts while in office. Now that's going to be short of the absolute immunity that Trump was asking for and it's going to be more than what Jack Smith was arguing for, which was nothing. I think it's going to be akin to the kind of immunity that governors enjoy from civil lawsuits for their official acts. And I think once they make that decision, they'll send the case back to the district court for a determination as to whether or not the immunity applies under these facts given that comp was both president and the presidential candidate. No, I think it's a great point. And I had the same kind of relationship to that question of qualified immunity, having worked for a governor and a shout out to Patrick Strawbridge who represented us in several of those matters. And I know has represented President Trump as well. Former Thomas Clerk. But Josh, some people think that part of what the Supreme Court might do in sending some of the questions back down to be decided by appeals courts and lower courts is just going to delay it. But can you explain to people why it's important that some of these questions be re-looked at and evaluated by the lower courts? Sure. I mean, first of all, immunity is a threshold question in any litigation. The point of immunity is to stop the litigation and its tracks. It's not to be vindicated after the fact. So the court's finding of immunity, it's not going to find immunity and it's then go forward and determine whether the facts meet the immunity or not. They're going to want the lower courts to investigate more thoroughly. And then that's going to take time. And the odds are that that will take up so much time that this case will not go to trial before the election. It's possible if the lower courts put the afterburners on. But even if they do, the odds that they'll be able to resolve this between now and November is unlikely, not impossible, but unlikely. But I think that's the thing here, right, is that the Supreme Court is clarifying kind of when immunity is appropriate and the test that you apply. But it's not their job to then go back and do the lower courts work. That's why we have the lower courts, to do their job to apply the rule of law to the facts and then move forward. Well, exactly. And they didn't do that in this case because they determined at the outset that there was no immunity. Now, the Supreme Court hasn't ruled yet. We're all assuming we're going to get either a 5 or maybe a 6 to 3 decision. I think it's going to turn on Roberts and Barrett. I think one or both of them could end up being in the majority with the other four. They did not look into the facts of the case to make a determination as to whether the immunity they have yet to rule on applies. So it's natural for them to send this back to the lower courts. That's almost certainly what they're going to do if they find that immunity exists. Now, if they find that there is no immunity, then this case is going to go to trial over the summer. And there's a very good chance that Trump would be convicted sometime in October. Yeah. And then we'd have to see how the rest of that plays out on appeal and some of those things. It's a pretty legally heavily day, which I'm glad to talk to a lawyer, Josh. And for those of you who want to hear more about the Karen Reed trial, which kicked off today, we're going to be speaking with Turtle Boy coming up in the six o'clock hour. He'll be joining us, Aidan Kearney, to comment on the way that the opening day of that trial is playing out. But Josh, I know you've been paying attention to the first criminal trial of Donald Trump that's playing out in New York. What's your assessment of kind of how that's proceeding so far? Well, if everything was a kangaroo court in the show trial, it's the one up in New York. This is a trial in search of a crime that does not exist. What we have found from this case, we have a judge who has actually violated New York state ethics rules for judges by making political contributions. And he actually made that contribution to Joe Biden. It may have been a small amount, but it was nonetheless a violation. And the fact that it was to Joe Biden, I think, is telling. He is allowing the prosecution to make an argument that basically Trump trying to win the 2016 election was a criminal conspiracy, and that he took steps to try to win the election. And another breaking news, water is wet. But this is where we stand. And Trump will almost certainly be convicted in that case. It's not a foregone conclusion, but he should be prepared for it. Well, I think it's, it's all but a foregone conclusion, both with the jury that you have there in Manhattan, with the way in which they've set up this prosecution with a very politicized district attorney who ran saying that he was going to bring a prosecution no matter what facts be damned, right? This is where we're after just like Latisha James, like I'm after you, Trump, like that's where it was going. And so you have to imagine that it is all but a foregone conclusion that he's convicted. And then we'll have to see how the appeals play out. Yeah, I mean, Trump will almost certainly be vindicated on appeal if he's convicted. I mean, look, they're trying to make a crime out of non disclosure agreements signed between parties. They're trying to make a crime or a criminal conspiracy out of catching kill that, that they do with stories that the media does all the time. There's no underlying crime here. There just isn't. And no matter how hard they try to push, at the end of the day, there's no way the appellate courts are going to let this stand. The problem is, as you said, you've got to judge a prosecutor and a jury that seemed determined to simply get Trump and they probably will. And then the question is what political implications does a conviction have? That's obviously crossing the line we have never crossed before in the history of our country. And it's going to be hard to say, but I suspect that we'll have a negative impact in the short run. But I think at the end of the day between the time of the conviction and the election, it probably won't matter. It may even accrue to Trump's benefit. You're listening to the Howie car show. I'm Aaron Chadborn filling in for Howie. We're talking to Josh Filler, who's a lawyer helping us break down some of what's going on in the Trump trials. It's, it's really shocking to me that, you know, I listened to the White House correspondent's dinner over the weekend against my better judgment. I kept flipping back from Avengers age of Ultron to the correspondent's dinner. And Joe Biden made a joke about the prosecutions of Donald Trump and said, Oh, unfortunately, Donald Trump's tied up right now. He's got some stormy weather. It just seems to me, Josh, that it's an incredibly poor taste for the president, the sitting president who's seemingly directing the Department of Justice, if not directly, then certainly through winks and nods. And they interpret that they're doing his bidding by prosecuting his chief political rival. Do you think it's at all like a troubling precedent for the United States of America, which is not historically been a banana republic to see the sitting president actually send people after his political rival and then make jokes about it with the press? Yeah. Well, this is why the immunity case before the Supreme Court is so important and why I think they will find at least qualified immunity. This is an attempt to put Pandora's box down and to close it because the Democrats have crossed this line in the roughly 240 years of our history, no former president has ever been prosecuted for their official prior acts. And yet the Democrats have come at front, not once, not twice, but three or four times in order to take him down. There's nothing funny about it. It's an incredibly dangerous precedent. And we're going to have to either unwind ourselves from this precedent or we're going to have to continue it, in which case we start prosecuting Democrats when they leave office. Yeah, no, I think that's certainly the path that we're headed down. We're short on time, Josh, but given your background, you were in the first ever Department of Homeland Security, you've advised multiple Homeland Security secretaries. Now that we've seen the failed kind of impeachment, well, he was impeached, but then it was really quickly dispensed with of the current Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. What do you think the legacy of that impeachment will be? And what do you think the kind of consequences are of both the impeachment and then the way in which Democrats refuse to hold that trial? Yeah, the fact that they have refused to hold the trial didn't surprise me. I think it's a terrible precedent. You know, we should have had a hearing. We should have had a chance to see the facts, but the Democrats do not want the public to hear what's going on at the border. They want to shove it under the rug. They have the majority and the votes to do it. I think the next time when they try to impeach a cabinet secretary in the Republican administration and the Republicans can fall the Senate, they can expect an equal outcome. But I don't think the American people win when the facts are hidden from them. Josh Filler, thanks for being with us here on The Howie Car Show. Appreciate your analysis. You got it. You are listening to The Howie Car Show. When we come back, we'll take your calls 844-542-42. I'm Aaron Chadward. This is The Howie Car Show. Listen to The Howie Car Show from anywhere. The Howie Car Show.com and click "Listen" to start streaming Howie live in crystal clear high definition. Everything feels strange now. By a lot of measures, President Biden is having a very successful first term, but people don't seem to realize it. Like with the economy. The vibes are bad, but the numbers say it's strong. The economy is kind of like you on the steps of Air Force One. It feels like it's stumbling, but there is somehow upward progress. Do you think Taylor, they're going to start having people walk up the stairs surrounding him like they do out to the helicopter? Is that going to be their new strategy? I don't know. I think they would trip him up even more. I mean, they did it at Radio City Music Hall. They had him rise into the middle of, you know, like coming up out of the stage. Like they have all these tricks to try to distract your eyes. You can't see Joe Biden stumbling. But that was those were the harsh burns. Maybe they just start turning the plane around. They have to have some sort of like funny, like lowering mechanism or like a ramp that like auto like sends them out. Let them ride out on like a Roomba. Like an escalator or the Air Force went escalator brought to you by Joe Biden. This is the Howie Car Show. I am Aaron Chadborn, filling in for Howie today. Howie will be back tomorrow since we've been in the middle of talking about a lot of legal stuff. We were at Josh Filler on breaking down the Trump trials, the Supreme Court arguments coming up at six o'clock. We're going to talk to Turtle Boy, Aiden Kearney here first day in the Karen Reed trial opening arguments and and they've begun presenting the case. So we'll get a breakdown of what's going on there. I did want to get into did you hear the story out of New York in Monroe County where the district attorney, they were trying to pull her over because she was speeding on her way home. And maybe that's a privilege that you're meant to enjoy as a district attorney. But it didn't see her plates because it was the middle of the night. And so she didn't stop for them. She just kept going all the way home. And she was nasty to the cop that pulled her over. And there's all this really embarrassing body cancer footage of her kind of dressing him down. Let's take cut nine. Hi. I'll talk to Jeff. Jeff. Okay. Sorry. I didn't want to pull over. It was just, I didn't, I figured I'd just close my drive by. And I called in and I said, okay. That's me that they're trying to stop. Okay. So that's in the story. Okay. But you should know better right? I know that. Okay. So why didn't you just stop? Like you're supposed to be because I didn't feel like stopping us. That's not your choice. You know that. Okay. Now you made it a bigger deal than it needed to be. It's a really bigger deal. People start talking. It's a much bigger deal. Well, you caught you caused this, Andrew. You caused that, Sandra. I love how she started with the name dropping like immediately. I'll talk to Jeff. I called Dennis. I let him know it was me. Like it's this attitude that people have above the law. Right? That's all it is. And I'm pretty sure if she had stopped for the police officer who had his lights on in the middle of the night and he explains to her why he's doing it, why he can't just assume it was the middle of the night. He can't verify that it's her. And then this is my favorite part. We have time to take cut 11. All right, man. So I'm issuing you speed in zone 55 minute 35. I'll take care of it since I'll be prosecuting myself. Okay. At the end of the day, if you see my lights and sirens behind you and obviously they're going off, just pull over. We're going to have a conversation and be on our way. I kept my eye on your vehicle. I'm not going to check my computer to see what point it is if a vehicle is not stopping for me. I want to keep my eyes on that vehicle for my safety. So I make a whole night at the end of the day. Okay. I I'm sorry that you had a bad day. Yeah. And I'm sorry it went this way. But I do respect what you do. Have a good day, man. It's so funny. I'll prosecute myself. I'll handle it. I'll prosecute myself, she says. And then she has to offer this like terrible apology. Do you have part one of that? Last Monday, I failed you and the standards that I hold myself to. And for that, I am so sorry. What I did was wrong. No excuses. I take full responsibility for my actions. You fell short of the values I've held for my entire 33 year career. I didn't treat this officer with the respect that he deserved. All police officers deserve respect. I am truly and sincerely sorry. You also didn't stop. I just come from work. I was dealing with three homicides that occurred over the weekend. I watched a video where an innocent cam driver was executed. And I was still reeling from a frightening medical concern that my husband received that afternoon. But we all had bad days and stress. And it was wrong for me to take it out on an officer who was simply doing his job. And it was wrong for you not to stop when the police were trying to pull you over. Instead, you sped off and parked in your own driveway and then dressed him down by a name dropping his superiors. And by the way, she's not going to be prosecuting herself. Right? Do you have part two? Here's what I'm doing to hold myself accountable. First, I already pled guilty to the speeding ticket and I will willingly pay the fine. Next, I'm referring the entire matter to a district attorney from another county for review and will fully cooperate with that investigation. I'm going to self report this incident to the grievance committee and I will cooperate with their investigation. Finally, if one of my assistant district attorneys had acted this way, I would have disciplined them. So I'm disciplining myself. I will take ethics training to remind myself that professionalism matters. I've been humbled by my own stupidity and I am fully to blame. I will make this right. I ask for your forgiveness. I don't think there's any making you right. I think when you have to say I'm going to discipline myself, I'm going to report myself. I'm going to self report. No, you're done. You had the moment to handle it correctly. Acknowledge that you failed. Move on. I think that's it. Do we have time for a caller Taylor? Sure. All right. Let's go to Tom. Tom, you're on the show at the Howie Car Show. Yeah. What was the name of that prosecutor? What state were they from? It's the state of New York. Brace yourself. Her name is Sandra Dooley from Monroe County, New York. Sandra Dooley. Okay. Very good. I'll make a call. But anyway, the reason why I called was that Washington press corps this weekend. I watched that on C span and they are unbelievable. I mean, they are probably the most sanctimonious bunch of bum kisses I've ever seen in my life. And I guess you're up in the hard break. Preaching to the choir, Tom, you're listening to Howie Car Show. I'm Aaron Chadwood. [Music]