Welcome to the deep dive. I am Paul Wellington joined by the Intrepid Ian Boyd. And we are a part of Inside Texas football power by insidetexas.com. Welcome to our YouTube channel. You're not subscribed. You need to hit subscribe down there. And if you want to give us a like, we would definitely appreciate that as well. Hey folks, right now we're running a little promo at Inside Texas and it's a hell of a deal. Use promo code IT1 to get two months of insidetexas.com for one dollar. That's a heck of a bargain and you're gonna be the most informed Longhorn fan on the planet. So come join us at the very least. Make sure you're subscribed to this channel. But definitely if you want the true low down, go join Inside Texas and enjoy the benefits of being a member. All right, we are gonna try to talk a little bit about a team that's back on our schedule this year. Ian, it's a team of interest to us. And while many of us might consider them a secondary rival, they are a rival nonetheless. And we're talking about the Texas A&M Act. So Ian Boyd had a great chance to do a deep dive on their spring game. I had a chance to watch as well, but I'm gonna be leaning on a little bit of Ian here for expertise 'cause I didn't get a chance to do a second or third viewing. But I do have some impressions of the Aggies and we wanna kind of preview not only the Aggies relevance to the Longhorns, which is gonna be a big game at the end of the year where A&M gets to host Texas, which I think they might have a sell up for that game Ian. But also we wanna talk about what their season outlook looks like, what are their strengths, what are their weaknesses, what is New Head Coach Mike Elko bring to them in replacing Jimbo Fisher that's gonna improve this football program. So Ian, let's talk about it. What do we wanna start with, what unit? - Well, let's start with this real quick. I have a sense, and I'm curious if you share this, that amongst maybe the younger contingent of Texas fans, A&M has almost like started to supersede Oklahoma's arrival in terms of owning like attention and the ire of Longhorn fans. And I think it's, I have a theory that it's true amongst younger fans more so than older fans and that it's a product of the rivalry being so intensely online and waged like entirely through like recruiting proxies or like shot in Freud and not instead of having like the on field release. Well, that would be refreshing. - There's a substantial contingent of college football fans who care about recruiting and recruiting battles and recruiting victories as much or more than the games on the field. And Texas and Texas A&M have not had games on the field since Justin Tucker plucked out their hearts in Kyle Field about what, 15 years ago. So I think it's gonna be interesting when the rivalry gets renewed. I do think the A&M fans are probably a little more active and engaged than with Texas fans online often. But I don't know, it's hard for me to get in the headspace of other fans. I mean, to me OU has always been my number one rival but I think, you know, it is fun to play the older brother that doesn't care and oh, are you even a rival? We consider, yeah, they're a secondary rival. There's no question. I think they're number two clearly, at least in my mind. But yeah, the younger fans I can't speak for because I don't understand anyone under the age of 30 and that's what I've learned. - Well, I'll tell you this, there are no volumes of sooner facts, you know, like that online wars. It seems much more intense with the Aggies than with the Sooners. - Part of it could be A&M fans are more fun to mess with and mock in general because you can get a good rise out of them and a good reaction. - They're also a little more like, it's more like a family squabble. They're a little more agreeable in some ways. Also generally more literate. You can't actually have a coherent conversation with them. - So after praising the Aggies. - That's right. Now, after we've really praised the Aggies, let's start off with the Texas A&M defense. I wanna know your impressions after the spring game. I was most impressed with a couple of players upfront for A&M. I think their dudes, the Purdue transfer was to me the best player on their defense. Maybe the best player on their team. Talk about Nick Scowertin. You watch him at first, he is, and you're like, "Ah, it's not super fast." Then you realize he's about 280. And actually pretty fast for his size and incredibly strong, great bull rush and very active, good motor. This guy, it looks like he could be a first round NFL draft pick. And I think he was a huge get for Mike Elko in that defense. What do you think about Scowertin? What do you think about that Aggie defensive line? - Well, so it's worth noting that they've been stockpiling blue chips on the defensive line for years. And they had a couple notable departures, like Walter Nolan got poached by Ole Miss. Lucky. He entered the transfer portal and Lane Kiffin immediately tweeted like a fist pump or something. So you knew where he was going. They still have a bunch left. They still have a bunch. They have the Shamars. And they have David Hicks, who was a five star freshman last year, I believe. Then they added more. They added a Wisconsin nose tackle and then they added Scowertin. An interesting thing to me in the spring game is that they had Scowertin running second team strong side end behind one of the Shamars. - Shamar Stewart. I pulled up my wrong thing. - Shamar Stewart. - Okay, Shamar Stewart, it's strong side end. - Shamars, they work like this. - Shamar Turner, inside player. Shamar Stewart, outside player. - Elko likes to have like a big strong side defensive end in his scheme. Scowertin is like 6'4" to 80, like you said. But I kind of think he's gonna end up starting and then just starting opposite as a weak side rusher. Because like you said, when they would like run the ball right at him, he had more of the like instincts of an edge of wanting to get outside and play in space and not use all his size to anchor. But when he's doing the more edge like things, he looks outstanding. So depth chart allowing, you know, I think he'll end up there and I agree with you. He might be really, really good this year. - Yeah, I would say from a hierarchy standpoint, I would ignore the designations of first team, second team for some of the transfers. I think that was more just being respectful and not handing him the reins right away, but I'm pretty sure you're gonna see Scowerts and starting for the career. - The only hang up there though is that in my estimation, he was out of position in the spring game, which I wouldn't necessarily worry about just yet. But yeah, he was playing strong side end and that's not really, like there, the best strong side end I've seen for Elko was the guy that went to the Pittsburgh Steelers a couple of years back, he was on the 2020 team. Can't remember his name. De Marvian Liao? Yeah. So he was like a two-gapping, like almost like a defensive tackle that they would play at on the end. And the Shamars are much more of that mold than is the Purdue transfer. But he looks outstanding. The defensive line was, it was hard to take too much from the offense. We'll get into that in a little bit, just because of how dominant their defensive line was in this game. I've seen that from Aggie spring games before, 'cause they've been stockpiling so much talent, but they really made it hard for the offense to get anything going. And I do think that will translate to some extent this coming season. - Yeah, well, when we talk about the offense, we'll kind of debate whether that's insufficiency on the offensive line or absolute dominance on the A&M D line. And I suggest it might be a little of both, but we can cover the offense later. - Hey, on the next level of linebackers, they've got to replace a guy who was one of my favorite players in college football last year. I thought very underrated. And I thought kind of the heart of the Texas A&M defense last year that did keep them together. That's Edger and Cooper. He got drafted, I believe it was the second rounder. And just a really good versatile linebacker with some blitz ability, good instincts, good run defense, good coverage ability. He could sort of do it all. If it was 25 years ago and football was different, linebacker hadn't been devalued in the NFL level. He's, you know, he's a top 10, top 15 pick. But he's a big hole for them to fill. Did you see anyone on that second level that impressed you or you think has some potential? - Well, the Tory in York kid that started for them is like a five, 10 freshman Mike linebacker last year was pretty solid. He was like, they poached him from Dave Oranda and Baylor. Dave Oranda tends to have a pretty good eye for which of the undersized, under recruited linebackers are gonna end up being good. They have another talent. They have some talent in up and comers, but they've also been loading up in the transfer portal. Like they took Scooby Williams from Florida. They just took a kit from Pitt that I can't pretend to know much about, but they took him like right in that spring portal window after the game. So it seems like they're still searching a little bit there for guys that the Alco will trust. And I wonder if he's leaning a little bit, I think like Agnes are pretty excited about some of the young athletes they have coming up. But I think Alco may be thinking like, "Look, I've got like NFL players on my defensive line. "I just want linebackers that will be where I tell them to be "and we're gonna be great. "I don't need young guys making mistakes "and wasting easy opportunities." Speaking of being where you wanna be, if you go to the Florida boards, when Scooby Williams transferred, it was the classic transfer deal where one fan base says good riddance to the other fan base says, "Hallelujah." So we don't know which one's correct, but Florida had a terrible defense and their linebackers always being out of position was a part of that. And Scooby Williams was not a fan favorite amongst the Gators, but is that sour grapes or is it the larger defense failing? Or is it the fact that A&M just needed something, they needed to body a good athlete and they think they can coach them up? I don't know. - Well, I mean them immediately taking that pit starter makes you think that there's maybe a little more of the same from-- - They don't seem delighted with their inherited room. I'll say that. - Yeah. Overall, I know we can talk secondary. This will be especially true in the secondary. They may start six portal guys on defense this coming year. - Yep. - And a lot of them are in the secondary. They took Will Lee at corner from Kansas State. It was very good, but didn't seem super eager to stay on the field at the end of the year after their season was over. They have a big safety from San Diego State named Marcus Ratcliffe that started in the spring game. They have another similar big guy from Central Michigan. It's like a three or four year starter in the Mac or whatever Central Michigan plays. And then they have like the guys that everybody remembers from recruiting like Bryce Anderson. - Yeah, they've brought in a guy from an incarnate word, BJ Mays. - Yeah. - Who I, who might start. So I think your estimation of six starters from the transfer portal on defense is right on. I think that is what's going to happen. Could be seven. The thing about Will Lee, I thought that was a good get. I agree with you on the end of the year thing. Be sort of tailed off or are you also talking about that snow game that they played? - Did he even play in that game? - I don't know if he did. I know that there were parts of the Kansas State defense that look like they'd rather be somewhere else about halfway through that game. But what I do know is when I've seen Will Lee engaged and invested, he's a corner who's every bit of six foot three. And he is long, he can run. He's kind of willowy. He's not a big, you know, like Ryan Watts type corner, you know, robust guy over 200 pounds. But he is long, he can match patterns, even though he's six, three, and he's got long arms. And look, that kind of guy is super valuable, particularly if you know anything about Elko's defensive predilections, which is, you know, break on the ball, sort of have a bend, but don't break approach. And then on key downs, get after it. And I think Will Lee, it's not a coincidence they targeted him to do what they want in the secondary. Did you have any other general impressions at the play of the secondary? I know it was kind of a mixed up group. And they, I didn't see tons of busts or the bust that I saw were exclable, like not ridiculous. Did you have an impression of the secondary other than copy, like they could be okay? I don't see them being a great secondary in total, but then it's also going to be dependent on how well they play together and how well they understand Elko's schemes. - Well, I think, you know, when you have that many portal transfers on defense, I get nervous, because it's so much a, good defense is played by cohesion, sacrifice, right? I'm gonna do my job and trust somebody else to do theirs. I'm gonna go blow up this block so somebody else can make a tackle, et cetera. But they all, they get, all their portals are the right type. They're all guys that like proved it at a lower level as starters and are just leveling up for like presumably the superior pay, right? The superior opportunity. Plus they get to play behind a defensive line that is not portal heavy, but was actually recruited. So I am pretty optimistic on their behalf that their defense is gonna come together and be pretty solid. I don't know, they are not like loaded with like twitchy cover guys, but a lot of those good Alco defenses, like you said, like Jalen Jones, where did he end up getting drafted? He felt like an out of position safety to meet the whole time. And that's kind of how they roll. That's kind of how they roll with Alco. They only, he wants the big long guys and cause problems that way. He's not, I haven't seen him load up anywhere with like true press man corners that are actually gonna be able to like run with an NFL caliber receiver in and out of breaks. So. - Yeah, Jones went the 221st pick. So pretty late. Yeah, his draft stock sort of fell every year, didn't it? So it's kind of interesting. But so if you wanted to put a tidy bow on it and maybe this is oversimplification, but it might be true, I think all of their ceiling is on the D line. And then I think Alco was feverishly working the portal at the second and third levels to find floor. - Yeah. - Like, can I go get guys who may not be superstars, but they're not gonna embarrass me. And I think I can teach them my defense and they can play together as a whole. And Alco is confident, hey, on key downs, on third and sixth, and on the red zone, that's where I'm gonna shine. Every other position, I'm just looking for you guys not to bust and don't give up the stupid six. So that may not be super inspiring for the Aggies watching or listening to hear, but I think that is a realistic assessment of your back two levels. But the upside on the front, I could not discount that A&M will have one or two, it will have a top three defensive line in the SEC. Could they be number one or number two? Yeah, it's possible. So we'll see how they develop. I've seen SEC defenses before built around dominant D line and then a back seven that just knows what to do. It's not a unrealistic that defense could be a legitimate strength for them next year. - Yeah, we were describing the Duke defense. - Yeah. - Yeah, Alco coached last year. - And they didn't even have the D line talent that they're not even close to what A&M has, sir. - No, not at all. They had a couple of dudes that could play. And if you're in the game playing for a new house, the biggest and most important ally that you can have is your mortgage guy. You've got to get a guy who understands how to work a deal, who can work to your specific financial situation. And frankly, you can get the deal done and make sure it goes through. That's Gabe Winslow. You can reach him at 832-557-1095. Over 20 years in the industry, he's been on every side of this industry, including owning a title company. He's really, really sharp, former national merit scholar. Of course, the University of Texas grad, a proud University of Texas grad. 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Maybe we've got a coaching staff now that's gonna realize that they're all on the same team and that wins and losses are distributed equally on the staff and the players. What does this new look A&M offense gonna look like? And were there any players that particularly stood out to you or that you found interesting? I'll start off with a not very exciting observation which is that A&M clearly has a starter and Connor Wegman with real upside, but I like the improvement of their backup. I thought Jalen Henderson really took some strides from what I saw from him last year. And I think they now have a solid floor backup. I don't think it's quite the Texas Longhorn quarterback room, but I think if Wegman who has been injury prone, I think if he does miss a couple of games, I don't think A&M's offense goes entirely off the rails. I was impressed with what I saw from Jalen Henderson, but starting off with the second team backup quarterback, maybe damning with faint praise. So what did you see? Henderson may even be a little more of a fit for what they'd like to do than is Wegman. 'Cause Wegman is like a big time passing talent, can run around by time, throw all the way down the field, right? And we haven't seen Klein on his own yet. We've seen him under the control of Kleinman at Kansas State. And we've seen him under the control of Bill Snyder as the quarterback at Kansas State. So he may be a little more gunslinging, passing heavy than it has appeared, but then it's like now as new bosses Mike Elko. So I would think that A&M's preference would be to have a quarterback that can allow them to run the option ball control and protect the defense. And Wegman is not an exact fit for that style and Henderson could be. - Well, obviously they're gonna play Wegman. I don't think there's like a quarterback controversy or anything, but I wonder if they might even be a little more comfortable in that style. Maybe, or maybe they let Wegman run around a little bit 'cause he has done that in the past and they're just less worried about injury. - That's where I was going with that actually. So Wegman is mobile. He can run, he can be engaged in the quarterback run game. And the fear is if we don't have anyone behind him, we're not doing that. Now, I think A&M will be judicious with that, but I'm pretty damn sure you're gonna see Connor Wegman running the ball against Texas in college station. And the gotta have it games and you have a little bit of assurance if you're confident in your backup. So that's where I was going with that. The one thing I did notice about Wegman that I like, he's very accurate. He's an accurate passer when he gets a nice look, nice presentation, things are going right. I think he throws a good ball. The only area where that's not true is you'll see set piece throws outside the hash and he's almost always guaranteed to sort of sail the ball. And I'm not sure what that's about, but this is a guy you could throw a 17 yard in on a line to the proper hand, much less hitting the receiver. But then any time it's sort of the almost college type throws, you know, you get your double move up the sideline and you're looking for your big ball. He puts too much air under it and he tends to lead him out to the sideline or he just overthrows it. So I don't know if that's my real observation that I had for Wegman. - So here's a big change that's gonna happen at A&M. Is that Klein is absolutely, yeah, Klein is absolutely gonna bring that style. Whereas Jimbo, he wanted everything that they ran to be a pro style with like a progression, protection, precise, you know, footwork and everything. And then you're gonna go one, two, blah, blah, blah. College Offman's usually don't work that way anymore. Usually it's like we're gonna scheme up a bunch of set piece plays where the progression is take the shot I give you or take the check down or eat it, right? Or if you're an athlete, go do something out of structure. Like they're not bothering trying to teach these kids to get through a bunch of progressions. And Klein was really quite good at Kansas State. Like he caught Texas a couple times, right? With some double moves and some set piece plays that were designed to just like, we're gonna get the primary read open and you're just gonna throw them open. And so I wonder, you know, A, what does Wegman look like when he gets to execute a much easier style of offense? And then B, what'll he look like? Maybe some of those problems go away a little bit if he's actually repping that throw. Like you're describing instead of the Jimbo nonsense. - Were there any Aggie wide receivers that stood out to you? Obviously they lost a guy in Aeneas that I liked sort of underutilized in my opinion, but they do bring back Moose Muhammad who's been very productive for them. They've got Noah Thomas, who was a guy that I know Texas was recruiting. I don't know. Are you, is this a competent wide receiver group or do they have real upside? - They also have a transfer from Louisiana Tech named Cyrus Allen that put up some numbers there. I'm sure that I think that they may have the failing of many college offenses where they have a bunch of guys where if you scheme them open, then the slot, they can be very effective. I don't know if they have pure outside receivers that are going to be open when you need them to be against good coverage in big moments. And that's always like, that's always the thing. - Yeah, I don't know if they have the fear of God receiver. - Yeah, I don't think they do. - Yeah, I don't think we're going to go, hey, let's roll coverage to this guy on every play, you know, hell or high water. So that said, you don't necessarily need that guy if you have a really competent passing attack or you love your quarterback. Also, I don't know if that's... A&M is going to play an interesting style of offense. I think they're going to try to win in a certain way. And I don't want to overstate this. They're not just going to throw the ball 18 times a game or anything like that. But I think the passing game is going to be constrained to serve a larger effort of ball control, possession, preserving the defense, and then being good in the red zone. And to that point, what did you think about Levy on Moss, the run bet running back? And then what did you think about the offensive line? - I thought I were going to go to the line. The back looks good. I think they have sufficient talent there. - Yep. - The job one. The offensive line is, I mean, they have a bunch of famous transfer, a bunch of famous recruits that Texas fans will remember, and some of whom seem to have had their love of football destroyed by the previous staff. So like they have guys like Cam Dewberry, Bryce Foster just portaled out, Ruben Fothery, who may not even start. And you're just like, what happened? What happened out there? They still have some talented guys. They have some big guys. And Elko and his, that Duke offensive line coach he brought over was pretty legit. They had some good results out at Duke, but they are working with the broken down and dispirited group, I think, and having to rebuild that. - Well, I'll take this for Colin Klein and the Kansas state system, and also what Elko did at Duke. They are very familiar with taking limited offensive linemen, giving them limited responsibilities and giving them extra man advantages, whether through scheme or with running the quarterback. And they're able to get by and play action. They'll spam certain run game over and over and over to get the time that they need to throw the pass that they want to set up by making your defensive line play the run. The fear that I would have as an Aggie fan is early defensive lapses, trailing and getting in very predictable passing situations repetitively against any team with the pass rush. Because I think that's gonna put that A&M offense behind the eight ball. And because I think if you can get them into predictable downs and distance or predictable game situations where they hack the throw in predictable ways, I just think they're not gonna be able to hold up in pass protection. And I think that's where you're gonna get hits on Wegman, you're gonna get fumbles, you're gonna get turnovers and the game will turn. But I think Elko's pretty good at playing games such that that script doesn't happen. At least before, you know, when Duke was healthy last year, they were pretty darn good at staying ahead of the game script. So what do you think? - Yeah, I think they'll spam duo all year long. - Yes. - The advantage of duo is that you just, it's like inside zone, but you just tell your lineman, like you're gonna double team the defensive lineman. And then we're gonna make the linebackers make a play on our running backs. And it's a very good way when you, especially when you have like a bunch of 320, 330 pound guys like A&M does still have. It's a very good way to guarantee that you can just pick up three yards in a cloud of dust, no matter what. If you don't give up a lot of tackles for loss and you're double teaming the defensive line, if you're running back is worth a lick at all. And you have any spacing whatsoever. So I think it'll be a lot of that. - Yeah, that's why I brought up Levy on Moss. I think he's a volume back. I think he's a tackle breaker. He's not huge, he's like 210, but he runs hard. He runs strong. A hand won't put him on the ground. So I think he's a good profile back for that sort of offense. Then they've got the potential of a big run breaker in Ruben Owens. Maybe not as the consistent a player. Maybe not a guy you went on there and passing downs. You know, he might space and not pick up the blitzing linebacker. And then they got a guy in Amari Daniels who I've not seen much of, but I think he's pretty quick. And I think A&M people like him. - He's kind of like, he's kind of like one of those Oklahoma state backs from the Joe Wick line days. Like five, nine, 200. - Yep. - And we'll just pick up state of gains for days. Yeah. - Yep. I got some wiggle. So I think that, I think we know how this A&M team is going to play. And I think there's a style of winning football that they can create on both sides of the ball. And I think they're gonna have coaching competence, frankly, Texas fans probably don't wanna hear that. But I think Colin Klein is pretty good. And I think Elco is ultimately, I know Jay Bateman is the titular defensive coordinator. I think it's Mike Elco's defense. And I think you could be pretty clear about that. So I think coaching is gonna improve there. I think, as you said, Jimbo had a lot of guys learning to hate football, playing for him. And I think, frankly, like let's be honest, they attracted a lot of guys who were just there for the check. And that was fairly evident, not only in their play, but also how quickly they transferred out. And I think Elco was looking for a different type of guy. So I don't know what the ceiling is of this team. I really don't. It's not SEC champion, but I can tell you that they've improved their floor. And it's a team that I'm pretty sure that you'll know you played them the next Sunday when you wake up. So I think Aggie fans will like and appreciate that as a base for getting back, or not getting back, they never were, but getting to where they want to go. I don't know. I'll give you the closing thoughts, Ian. What were your final thoughts on the scrimmage or this Aggie team, how they're profiling? - Yeah, I think they're a lot closer to the kind of the slow-comb model. We'll see if they can reach those heights based on the buy-in and recruiting success that Elco is able to have with like the big time, like running backs or the one wide receiver, the fear of God receiver that opens things up. I really wish they had Oklahoma on the schedule. I really want to see them just trying to mash the Sooners and then the Sooners. We'll talk about them at some point whether or not they could hold up to a matching. And then, you know, just seeing those two teams play each other. It used to be kind of fun. Like either way the game went, you just kind of chuckled and enjoyed it, usually. And I hope that that is restored to us in the future. - Yeah, I think it will be and it's going to be fun. Any closing thoughts or shall we wrap it up? - That'll be it. I think they're a solid team. I think they will, I think they will hold up their end of the deal in the rivalry game in making that a competitive physical contest. And if there are any Texas fans that may not realize that that is going to be a slobber knocker. Like they are going to be so amped up for that game. Especially if they do anything whatsoever against Notre Dame early in the year, such that they have like a decent season. - So they will be an crucial bellwether to look at. August 31st, they opened in college station with Notre Dame. A&M has their biggest games at home, which is useful for them. - Yeah. - Notre Dame actually could be a very good football team interestingly enough, which is like not what they've been over the last two decades. Their big question mark is the offensive line. So this will be an opportunity maybe for the A&M defensive line to get off to a good start, dominate a football game. And we'll see what happens, but I think the A&M defense will be challenged a little bit as well. That's going to be a hell of a game. There's some really fun early games. I mean, Texas, Michigan obviously has gotten a lot of the attention and the headlines, but we've got, I think LSU Clemson as well. So you're going to find out some things early and get some bellwether indicators. So that has been our little post spring game preview of the Texas A&M Aggies. Like our video, subscribe. And of course, come to the inside Texas football YouTube channel and come to inside Texas itself. 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