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The Open: Canucks Need Identity to Re-Emerge

Dan and Sat are joined by Bik Nizzar in a roundtable version of The Open as the group discusses how the Canucks can find their identity and play the style of game they want to play and that has brought success all season. The guys analyze what may be going wrong on the inconsistent powerplay for Vancouver and how the team may have showed a lack of composure in their first chance to close out a series.

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31m
Broadcast on:
02 May 2024
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Dan and Sat are joined by Bik Nizzar in a roundtable version of The Open as the group discusses how the Canucks can find their identity and play the style of game they want to play and that has brought success all season. The guys analyze what may be going wrong on the inconsistent powerplay for Vancouver and how the team may have showed a lack of composure in their first chance to close out a series.

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We are all in our best-dressed shirts ready to go clubbing in Riga Latvia. - Are we? - I don't, well, maybe not. - I don't know if you can't see us, but let's not tell us. - Well, I mean, we might put a post-a-clip at some point and fix wearing a hoodie, out wearing a hoodie, and Reach is wearing his usual goth attire. - Yes. - Yeah. - That's pretty accurate. - You imagine just showing up to the club in Riga, just look like you're ready to play anti-golf. - The golf club Reach would look the part right now. - Do you have clothes right now in your closet that would be fit to wear in a nightclub in Riga? - Yeah, they're not as dress shirts for TV, or it's like the golf shirts. - I probably don't. Like, how do you dress to go to a-- - You don't wear a lot of color in general, though. - No, I don't. No, it's very obvious when I'm wearing a pop of color in my life. - Yeah. We always comment on it. Like, the other day, you had a green shirt on. - It was not green, it was like a light blue. - Yeah, yeah, right here. - It was a nice light powder blue. - Yeah, it was really nice. We're like, oh, Reach. - I like blue. - I know. - Expanding a couple of pallets. Got a lot of compliments. - You should open up the color palette of your wardrobe. - All right, let's get to it. It's the open here on Canucks Central. (dramatic music) - Welcome to the open. - Oh, that's your home. Are you too good for your home? Answer me. - Yes, the open where we bring you the latest on the Vancouver Canucks, and deliver our take on it here on Canucks Central. And a lot to get into in case you hadn't realized, the third voice in. It is the Canucks Central Roundtable, Big Nizar, host of The People Show, of course, co-host of the Canucks Central post game show here with Satyar Shah. So around the table, Dan Reacho, Satyar Shah, and Big Nizar. Sportsnet 650's playoff coverage brought to you by Threadco Print Shop. It's the lower mainland's choice for exceptional branded apparel, quality screen printing, and embroidery crafted in their new state of the art facility, threadcoprint.com. So yes, the discussion, Canucks trying to keep it light. JT Miller. - So that's where the clubbing thing started with club shirts? - Yes, Arthur Shilov's club shirt in Riga Latvia as Nikita Zadora have quipped after the practice today, but it was all anybody could talk about. Hey, nobody's, well, fewer people talking about Elias Pedersen's struggles. Nobody's talking about Philopronic's copious amount of indirect shots, not at the goal, at his own players. And yes, how much the power play is struggling? Everybody just talking about JT Miller and Hintik, swearing Arthur Shilov's practice jersey to start the skate today. And it feels like JT, especially during these playoffs, is kind of taking on the dad role a little bit, where he's trying to guide his young padawans through their first true playoff experience. - Yeah, and I think he's shown this. You saw it with the Connor Garland 400 game team shirts, and this was, you know, when the Canucks were struggling a little bit down the stretch and there was some level of concern, Edmonton was one point back of Vancouver for the final, for winning the Pacific Division, and it looked like the Canucks may at the end blow it. Obviously, lightens the mood. Now, is that the reason why Garland had a good game and they won that game and go on to win the division? Who knows? But it was a nice correlation between, hey, he came in and made things feel a lot lighter. And does it also show that he felt there was a level of stress within the team given what happened in game five? Like, is he doing this because, hey, let's just keep it light, or did he feel like this was necessary? - Yeah, probably a bit of both. And especially what you mentioned, reach, like we're not talking about all these other things. We're not talking about JT's power play entries. We're talking about JT's own song blow of a sudden, right? - And like the-- - JT pulled an ovechkin and just stayed out for the whole two-minute power play while doing not much towards the end of it. - Standing stationary at the blue line, and like the Canucks had their problems entering the zone. All these issues. But at the same time, like, we're talking a bit on the show earlier today of like wanting to make changes, like in the key moments, and by and large through the series, I think you see the talent gap that exists between Nashville and Vancouver. And Nashville is fought and clawed, and the series is played at their tempo probably more, but the Canucks are deserved to be up 3-2. And I look at like the lack of changes. To me, it's a recognition that like, we're better, we just have to be ourselves. - Yeah. - And we have to just execute. And for me, like JT's showing up today with a little levity. - Yeah. - To me, it's like, yeah, okay, that's a good move. That's a good move. Just remind yourselves, like, this is supposed to be fun. Like, yes, it's tense, but every player of heroes, like I wish I embraced the moment a little bit more. - Yeah. - And I took in a little bit more. That to me is like, JT kind of played that line today. - I think JT needed it himself too. You mentioned it, Vic, you know, some of the things he had going on in game five. He himself called out some of the things that he was doing wrong and he blew a couple of his coverages, was letting guys get above him in game five and just overall didn't love his own game. And you could see some of his frustrations start to play out on the ice. Some of the struggles on the power play, he tried to play hero ball a little bit. Like, all right, if our entries suck, I'm just gonna take it myself. - Yeah. - And that's never the best option, right? So I think, you know, for as much as, yes, I think it was a team thing and hey, we gotta lighten the mood a little bit. I think he sort of maybe needed it himself as well because with PD going the way that he is and the way this team is currently structured and functioning, ultimately, JT's gotta be their best forward and by a long shot. - I'll pose this to you now. 'Cause you drew all the eyes to you, right? 'Cause we're not talking about the other things. So he's gotta be the best guy tomorrow, right? - Yeah. - If he's not, like if they lose and it's like, oh, that's kind of a mid-thing performance by JT. - Well, okay, so. - You do invite all of that. - Sure, I mean, best player, he has to be good. - Yeah, like you're getting good. - Yeah, he's gotta be good, right? I agree with that. He's gotta be good tomorrow, right? - He's gotta be their difference maker, right? Like they don't have another, okay, Besser had the hat trick, of course. So he has been a difference maker in this series, but you know, this team, they win games when JT is their difference maker right now. So I think that's, to big's point, I think that's where we're at with this. And I think we're approaching it as like, it's a move to improve the mood to win game six, okay? And you focus, and even like the goaltending stuff, you make the decision of what helps us win game six. Not even like, oh, do we protect the feelings and what do you do for game seven? You build everything towards what do we do to win game six? But a reality exists that what if you lose game six? - Well, that's the big thing. And I think if you do lose game six, then you learn a lot about this team in game seven. I hope not to learn those things about this team in game seven. - I'd rather not learn those lessons today, right? But you'd learn a lot of different things. And you know what, I'm not trying to be pessimistic here 'cause I picked the Canucks win this series, I still believe they're gonna win this series. But when you get the game six and seven, - It's squeaky bum time. - It's like, any, like on, you know, - Yourself is revealed in the, - Yeah, 100%, like these are the tough moments because you know, if you don't win today, you don't wanna go back from game seven. You're going back home no matter what, but you'd rather not play the game seven, right? That means those thoughts are in your head. So if you have one game where things don't go your way, let's say, you know, God forbid it's the one game the goaltender just don't figure it out whoever it is between the pipes and they sag a little bit. Okay, that's one game off. Now you gotta win in a game seven. And I think hockey is such a random sport that we're talking about two games. Anything can happen in two games. Like it's, you know, like we talk about a one game, anything like hockey, two games honestly, like you can have the best team in the league, play the worst team in the league for two games and somehow some way that worst team can win those two games. Well, they came out of game two, decidedly the better team did not win that game. And now similar storyline coming out of game five. And for as much as, yes, they won games three and four, it wasn't their best performances. As Rick Talkett himself said, you know, maybe we didn't really deserve to win games three and four, even though we deserved maybe to win game five. So it seems like in this series, it doesn't really matter either way, but I think just the mindset of this team is very important. And I think the coaches has made that pretty clear. I think from how we're seeing Elias Pedersen play, it's pretty clear that the focus has to be, it has to be light, but it also has to be, just have a good start and one thing at a time. For as boring as that may be, they definitely do have to keep the focus as one thing at a time. Like let's have a good first period tomorrow. - And they, okay, they've played was game five, their best game of the series. - I'm gonna say game one. - Game one was probably still their best game of the series. And we all agreed that game one was still probably not good enough in terms of your A performance. - Yeah. - They still haven't played like a game you would say it's like, this is the Canucks team we saw all season. This is this team at their best. And I think at any point in any series, you have to show your best in at least one game. You know, hey, at the end of the day, you have to win a series. But I think you still have to exhibit your A game at some point in a series. - Yeah, they've only done it for stretches. - Yeah, like the identity of Nashville has been revealed. And I think the series has played to Nashville's speed and-- - Definitely their speed and heck like how hectic it is in terms of how much pressure there is all over the edge. - The game is being influenced by Nashville, but it's Vancouver who's getting the results. And I don't even mean that as like, oh, Nashville deserves to and they create all these chances. It just, it feels like it's being played to Nashville style. But if Vancouver plays their version, it will see the Canucks identity re-emerge. And that to me has been like the struggle for them 'cause they haven't made things easier on themselves. - So as far as all this is said, right? The lineup, as far as we know, not changing right now, right? Rick Tockett at practice showing the same lines. You know, they don't really have anybody that they can bring in and be a difference maker. Podkolsen went down to Abbotsford. It's Nils-Omon and Mark Friedman. Noah Julesin is the guys that are the extras right now. But the power play was a big focus at practice today. JT described it as something that killed the buzz in the building in game five. The coach didn't love it. All of it really stemmed from their entries. They were too slow, too predictable. When I asked Andrew Burnett about it after the game, he essentially just said, you know, you see it enough times. Kind of start to know how to defend it a little bit better. So I imagine they're trying to bring in some different wrinkles to their entries. But ultimately, like, whether it's just getting by in this series or the Goliath that's waiting for you in round two that just ran through the LA Kings with a 50% power play, like you've got to get the extra man going. You've got to get the power play to at least a credible level from what it's been in this series. - Well, their issues aren't dissimilar from things we've seen throughout the season. Like, we're not seeing something now that we haven't seen throughout the year. - No. - Right where they've had trouble with their entries at times. They've had trouble being two mechanicals how the coach mentioned it. It seems like they get preoccupied with trying to execute certain plays as opposed to taking what's in front of them. Like, we watch the games, especially when we're at the rink and, you know, we get the bird's eye view. I mean, how often do we turn to each other? Like, why don't you skate? Like, it's there. Just skate it in. - Yeah. - It's there for you. Why are you trying to move it towards the wall or why you're dropping it and just take what's given to you and get into the zone? - And at times, Quinn Hughes would have a pass just up to the blue line to get an easy entry and he waits for the drop pass. - Yeah. - It's like, you see it there, just take it. - Oh. - Well, it's easier for us with the bird's eye view. - Yes. - But nevertheless, it's similar to like the looking for, you know, the indirect high tip. It's just like, this is what we, like, we're told we need to do, so this is what we're going to do. - The mechanical part that Rick Talkin mentioned earlier in the year, I always took as in zone. - Mm-hmm. - And now, like, it's good shouts at that, like, it feels that way in the neutral zone. That, like, there's a lot of input output where, like, you're still allowed to create it in your own. You're still allowed to, I imagine, like, Rick Talkin mentioned that today, like, having a bit more ownership of this of, like, just play the game sometimes. - Is it also not, is it also not a sign of how this team still has to learn? - Yeah. - With all these players who haven't had playoff success or haven't had any playoff experience, really? - That's for me. I'm actually surprised I didn't even mention by Rick Talkin or anyone. The learning lesson of, like, those last 13 minutes to me really stand out of, like, here you go. This is what closing out a series looks like. Not only are you going to get your, the opposition's best punch in a closeout game, when it's on the line, in the last 13 minutes, how are you going to react? And for me, like, game five is defined by the connect to lack of composure when it mattered most. Joshua shouldn't take a penalty. There's a door option to jump out. You should box out. For me, like, in that moment, and, hey, look, you freeze for one moment doesn't mean you're going to freeze for all the moments. But for me, like, collectively, they kind of froze and they got out of themselves. - They went away from their staples. - Yeah. No, that's the buzzword, to say, of what I was talking about. Like, that's exactly what happened for me in the last 13 minutes. - And the thing is, it's complicated because, if this was a season where there wasn't all these previous years of failure, the head of it, and a core that had the failure to launch the last few years, really, especially after their bubble experience and everything else that happened with the team, I think there would be more understanding of, okay, it's their first time in the playoffs, but there's the added baggage of you also, were aggressive with the trade deadline. You have to get through the first round. Like, I think everybody feels like they have to win the first round. But within all this reality is, they have to learn some lessons here along the way. There's experience they have to gain. And your hope was you learn and you win. You don't want to learn the tough lesson. You know, and I think going circling back to how we started this thing off about keeping it light. When you start going through what the stakes are, how difficult it is now at this stage, you can understand why the players want to keep it a little bit light. 'Cause, you know, at the end of the day, we want to see this team play its best hockey. And the last thing you want to do is exit a playoff series. - Yeah. - Knowing you never played your best. - Yeah. It's, it really, knowing you haven't played your best. For a lot of guys on this roster, I think, you know, you could expect more out of, a lot of guys, you know, even Philopronic, we've talked about. Obviously, Elias Peterson is the one that stands tallest among all of those that we've talked about, right? You can, sure, Nils Hoaglonder, all those things like he's playing his first ever playoff games. He's gotten better as the series has gone along, but you still expect more out of Elias Peterson. And that is something that continues to be a conversation. I thought it was super interesting how talk it, like pointed out Peterson doing good things at practice today in the media. Like, it's strange because you don't often hear a coach say something like that. And hey, he's asked about Peterson at every news conference. So he's got to come up with new things to say, I guess. - Was it getting ahead of it? (laughs) But it's just like, oh, he made a couple of good decisive plays today at practice. - Is he trolling us on the power play? - Plus, he was very alert in the video. He's like, oh, I got to move my feet more. - And he got to move your feet more. - He's like, you guys want analysis? Here's the analysis. - Yeah, and it's just, we're talking to the media game, finding new ways to say the same thing. - New ways to say the same thing. And, I think-- - Now it's him saying it, not me, it's great. We were advancing. There was also the PD chant during game five, like the pick me up chant. Like not because you're a dominant player that is deserving of the 20,000 people screaming your name. It's like, hey, we're trying to pick you up right now. - And that's good. You see the thing I want to see more of in sports generally, you see it more in European soccer. Although in soccer, they get on their players too, right? So it's not to say they get on guys, right? - You got the muscles. - But if they decide to back a guy, it's really loud and it's amazing. And I think that's something that in North American sports, I want to see happen more when a star a player or a player, anybody. - Any player, like-- - Struggling, like, hey, pick him up. - Or, struggling or not? Like the con of garlic moment of getting chandelier, like that to me is awesome. Like that should happen more often. Whoever it is, if a player's effort rewards your fan, your cheering, then what shouldn't be for everyone? - We're scraping the bottom of the barrel to get Patterson going right now. - Just be better. - Yeah, you know, and I totally see that. And I know a lot of people in our text and box, you know, they roll their eyes at the idea of like move your feet. So, Tockett did expand on it a little bit today. And what do you think Tockett means by Patterson needs to move his feet? Because he's not saying Patterson's not trying. It's different than that. What is Tockett trying to portray when he says Patterson needs to move his feet? And Patterson went to him and said, I agree with you, I need to move my feet after they watch the video together. - I mean, clearly when he has the puck, he generally is moving his feet. But when he doesn't have the puck, how much is he moving to? And even sometimes when he does have the puck, how often is he stationary? For instance, you know that it wasn't a third where he got hooked, it was Ryan O'Reilly. I forgot who was, somebody hooked him, he fell down. But he didn't get the call. Now we all thought it should have been a call. The call wasn't made. And does he get the call if he's moving his feet? - Yeah. - That's a situation you look at and say, if you're moving your feet there, maybe you can actually separate, you can do something, you're just kind of standing, they're not moving. You know, and I think that's the biggest thing. When you see the best players, when they don't have the puck, what are they doing? - They're always moving their feet. - Skating, trying to find space. And I think that's something in the offensive zone, he can do better. - Yeah, like for me in the neutral zone, there's more of that 'cause at times, he's just like the link up play. Which should I look? The play he creates for Makayev, that's nice. And you're facilitating out of the zone. For me, like those are the areas where you can pick up speed to impact and create transition opportunities or just inflight opportunities when you enter the zone. 'Cause he's at his best when he's going fast into the neutral zone and slows it down and everyone else is trying to catch up. And he finds scenes and he finds pockets of space. That like, there's the reason you're gonna get 11.6 million next year. I haven't really noticed that. Like for me, it's not in the offensive zone 'cause we've seen like the puck possession times, he's been amongst the Canucks leaders in some of these games for forwards, puck possession in the offensive zone. For me, it's like, it's elsewhere on the ice. There have been moments bad defensively, but also just in those areas of the ice, I don't notice them carrying the puck as much. - Are you working to find space? You know, that's a lot of it. And maybe his line mates aren't always the best at getting him in space. - That's, yeah. - But it's not any one thing, right? It's a combination of many facts. - Yeah, but also sometimes something like talk is spoken about too, 'cause we see this team when they get into their laws, usually they're not as good through the neutral zone, right? There's a lot of waiting for somebody. Somebody has the puck. They're waiting for somebody else to come up, and it's like, well, why are you waiting? Or somebody's waiting for somebody to kind of show you where they're going to pass. And he mentions just skate at the blue line. Make him go offside. Force the offside, 'cause if you're going, the guy's gonna, they have to pass you to puck, right? And sometimes you see that with PD where he passes the puck, and he's kind of hanging behind a little bit, kind of waiting for the passback. Just skate forward, force him to give it to you, or at least force the issue. - Force your teammates to make a quicker decision. And if they don't do it this time, maybe they'll do it the next time. - On the power play. - On the power play, a lot of quicker decisions need to be made. And the other thing too, with the move your feet, I do think sometimes it is on puck as well. He'll have the puck and just completely stop moving his feet. He may not get closed down right away, but then it's very easy for the defender to predict where you're going. 'Cause if you're far enough from the net, you're not really all that dangerous. It's very obvious, if you're not moving your feet, there's only so much you can do to then put me in a bad spot as a defender. - Absolutely. Now I will say, and going back and re-watching the last game, like what did you guys think re-watching the game about Pederson's performance? I know you're a little bit like, you don't love how Pederson played. You thought he was, you know, decent, not great. And he was better, but it's a low bar. - No, yeah. - It is, it's that, right? - It is a low bar, but in terms of like actual, like hey, shown tangible things that can lead to you being close. - Yeah. - It was the closest thing we've seen, right? Like is that actually something tangible to build on? 'Cause the other ones, I'm like, I'm not sure, like, I was like, yeah, I like this game. - I like this game in game two better. He just, like the shots were just blocked. I thought he was more himself than game two or missed. The seven of them were blocked. But like, I liked him in game two better than I did in game five. - Like there's hope there, and look, we all know what he can be as a player. So that's why you're always looking for signals to say, it's about to break out. I do wonder, so we didn't see different line combos at practice today. But do we see a little bit more of in-game situationally talk it go to the Lotto line or moving Patterson into spots with some line mates that can, well, he can potentially get more out of and line mates that can get more out of him. - So what are the situations then? - Yeah. - Like I think it's post-TV timeout, end of period, and after a penalty. - Yeah, right, after a PK. - Yeah, although Patterson generally plays towards the end of a PK, assuming they kill it. - Yeah. - But I've liked the way he's handled it, and I've thought about it a lot in the last two days, and we've discussed it, and we've changed it and loaded it up. As frustrating as it is, I think the no changes element is probably the right move. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, I could get talked into putting Lindholm with Patterson. - That would be the one. I'm not sure I wanna see Lotto line. - I think Lotto line situationally you can do it. - They had some moments. They had some moments. - Yeah, but not as like a full on like this, what we're doing today. I'm not sure I wanna see that. - Yeah, but I'm not very much like McDavid and Drycidal. Like it's not a permanent thing anymore, but yeah, the Oilers coach still goes to it quite a bit, right? When you're trying to put a team on their heels. - Yeah, and I mean, when they go Lotto Max, and they have- - She was wrong. - You know, it's your five best skaters when they're out there best, right? And that's a good situation to be in and have your best players at. I can get talked into trying Lindholm with Patterson again, 'cause it was such a small sample, they tried it again, play offs are different. Could this work now? You know, Lindholm's playing better. And, you know, as much as I like Lindholm and Garland and Joshua, like Luger can do that. Like you can play in that role. - So there is some other options there for this team to go to. I think it's still more situational. Like even Tockett said today, like maybe in-game, like I'll look at some different things, but I like what we've seen from our lineup, and I don't think there is too much reason to change things up right now. So one of the other things that I find really interesting about, and Sat and I talked about this yesterday and it became a big topic today after practice, the quantity versus quality conversation and the Canucks, I think to a fault in this series have looked for too much quality and almost defaulted to the indirect shot where as Tockett put it after last game, they're blowing it through their teammates, not giving them even a chance to really tip it all that much. And maybe there's a better play out there. Maybe you do have a clean look at the net. Whatever it might be, it just feels like this ongoing search for quality has become, at times, a hindrance and it's, for me, it's the major reason the shots on goal thing is a conversation more so than anything Nashville is doing. I mean, there's in so many opportunities, they bypassed. They've consistently bypassed decent shots, trying to find the better one. And I mean, there's been so many times, and I think the defenseman oftentimes have been the biggest culprits. I don't her own expend the guy that we talked a lot about, but I think Hughes has also done it a lot. Like there are a number of chances, instances, and maybe this is also part of the issue when you have a couple of players that are struggling, guys look them off, Mikayev, of course. But even last game, there was a few times I saw Hughes kind of cut in and Patterson gets into a shooting area and doesn't petition to him. Is that because he's looking for a better shot? Is it maybe not having the trust in the player to score from that area or whatever it is? But generally speaking, you get Patterson in a medium dangerous spot to get a shot off when nobody in front of him, you wanna exploit that. And they're bypassing those things. - Yeah, I was talking about this earlier in the show. As far as, you know, overall corsy shot attempts, the Canucks are very similar from where they were in the regular season. It's expected to go, it's very similar. Scoring chances, actually a hair up. Hide dangers, tick down a little bit. The only thing that's taking a drop is actually his shots on goal and also goals for. But that's it. It's like a lot of things that they were doing are still happening, but they're not just not getting shots on goal. And for me, it's this indirect, these broken plays that you're trying to engineer. It's like, if you're trying to make the broken plays, that's not a broken play. That's a design play. And when you got players, we're gonna make, you know, 11.6 and eight and 6.8 and all these like good players. Yeah, I think you're doing them a disservice at times to just not play the game. And it's a tough line to follow, you know, for players. You know, following with the coaching staff are trying to put out, but also trying to impact your own personality into the game. It's a tough line, but at times they have swam too far. One of the things that you've kind of noticed, you see this, I think the Canucks are done it to the extreme, but you see it in soccer a lot too now, where teams are really trying to generate big chances, 'cause you look at creating those big chances that leads to the goals, generally speaking, right? But what separates the best teams is you have players that are good finishers, you have talented players, you wanna get them those kind of medium looks more often. Yeah, if a player's in the lower end of the scale, they're probably not gonna be able to hit that shot outside the box, but if you have a few guys that are very talented, they're gonna score every once in a while from there. So those chances have value to you. When you have Pedersen, when you have JT, you have Besser, don't you want them to shoot the puck a bit more and even half dangerous areas? Yeah, you need to be gold dangerous from different areas of the ice. And too far, too often, they've become predictable to a point where Nashville knows exactly what they're trying to line up, what they are trying to do. And it happened early in the series with all the fronting and the Canucks didn't make the adjustment in game and game two. And now they're made the adjustment, but they've almost gone too far into what they need to do when there's clearly other options for them to take rather than just looking for the high tip with the indirect shot. I just wanted the series to end so we can stop talking about fronting. I think it's a terrible idea. I just want Nashville eliminated to be like, oh, we don't have to talk about fronting anymore. Well, if they win, it's gonna be what everybody does. You know, Copycat League, wow, how did this wild cartoon team? This is a great strategy. Oh, maybe not. All right, I know we're a little bit late, but we're gonna go long, it's the round table. Wow, can I even off the producer? Let's get off. Let's go. Could I win the round down? This guy's rattled by the glass. Could I sent a round up? So back to Nashville for game six Friday at 4 p.m. Pacific time. No clarity on the starter for game six. Arthur Shillov's Casey DeSmith, Rick Tockett would not confirm his, at least where they're at, hasn't confirmed that they've even confirmed who the starter will be. That decision still to be made by the Vancouver Canucks. What are we expecting to see in game six? My guess is DeSmith. That is my guess too. That's what I think we're going to see. For me, it makes, and we talked about this with Woodley, it makes the most sense. You don't have an ace goalie anymore. Yeah. Go with a guy that's giving a different look, a different game plan to the opposition. I want to see she loves. Yeah. I just feel like the guess would be DeSmith. Yeah, I wanted to see she loves too, but then what Woodley kind of mentioned yesterday? Yeah. It makes sense. And like I said, yesterday too, I have a hard time being too critical of decisions that they make with their goalie, especially when Ian Clark has the most input on it, 'cause generally he kind of knows what he's doing. Abbotsford lost their game one of the conference semi-final to the Ontario Reign 3-1. Ontario leads 1-0 Max Asan, the lone goal scorer. Producers very mad at me right now. Sorry Ben. Ben, are you in tomorrow? Sorry, sorry not sorry Ben. It's 4-30. Yeah, right. Reach is gonna come tomorrow with a shirt fit for a nightclub in Rio. In Rio. And the Oilers await the winner of Canucks Nashville after closing their series with the LA Kings in five. The LA Kings as disappointing as both all three of us really thought they were. Yeah. I'm so glad they're out. Go figure. What's weird or two is like they've lost in shorter series. Yes. To the Oilers. 7-6-5. Yeah, they're literally getting further away. They're going for the sweep next year. Keep Rob Blake and you'll get swept next year. Nothing they seem to do seems to work, but the Oilers do look pretty good. It could be a different worry for a different day. All right, Bick, we appreciate it as always. Thanks, Weiss. We'll hear Bick on The People Show as always. And of course, on the Canucks Central Post game, tomorrow as well following game six. No People Show tomorrow. You guys are kicking me out, right? Yeah. So check it out on podcast. There we go. From today's program, find it on your favorite podcatcher. The People Show, Monday through Friday here at three o'clock on Sports at 650. 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