The Joe Budden Podcast
I'll Name This Podcast Later Episode 54
The return of Rosenberg, in Joe's absence, Mari and Rory sit with Peter Rosenberg to discuss Mari's Toronto disappearance, The Grammy's, Karen Civil, Peter's gig at ESPN, and the overall direction of the Podcast. Sleeper songs of the week: Marisa's pick: MGK ft. Dub-O, Ray Jr., Tezo & Pooh Gudda - Ratchet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuOqVAwWU4g Rosenberg's pick: Kent Jones - Don't Mind https://soundcloud.com/lpjams/kent-jones-dont-mind Rory's pick: Ledisi - In The Morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eas8g8MVXcE
- All right. - That was hard. (laughing) - Is that what you started off Rocky? - That was really bad. - I had to keep committing 'cause it was already there. - Is that what Joe says now? Does Joe just talk about it? - You don't listen to our podcast anymore? - I don't listen. - I mean, you're a dick. - I mean, come on. - I mean, I don't listen to one Epstein. - Exactly. - I listened to the last one Epstein Epstein. - Which one today? - The Dylan one. I didn't get to the one. - That was the big cap stories. That was pretty, yeah, yeah. - And Tracy was on this one, right? - I do want to listen. - I do want to listen. Plug his podcast, he doesn't listen to ours. - Yeah, but he still got a helping hand an hour, so he saw him plugging it in. - And Joe is such an idiot. He went on, I mean, granted, my wife's podcast is small, but he went on my podcast and never plugged the podcast. - Of course not. - She was like, oh, I forgot to ask him about the podcast. I'm like, he didn't say anything? She was like, no, I was like, no, no. - Yeah, of course. For those that don't know by now, we have Peter Rosenberg here, our first ever friend of the show. - Thank you, the original friend. - Yeah. - So it is a weird, he wouldn't count that, but those of us who are saying, it is like a weird spinoff. - Somebody said that to me last week and I was like, yo, it fucking is. - Well, yeah, he came on. - It's been off of one up. - And very directly, he came on, and then the next week, we were in the same studio that we do want Epstein doing this. It's like all in the family. - And it was one year ago, like, last week or so. - Congratulations, guys, a year. - I know, right? - And it is pretty cool, I have to say, from the beginning, watching it grow, 'cause I remember the first few weeks, it was like all exciting, and then I remember it was like, the numbers are slowing down. And I was like, chill, this is how it goes. It kind of like goes up and goes down. And now it's like sort of in a good spot. - Then we dissed Nikki, and it went shot right back up. - Yeah, then we were out here. - Yeah, we really followed your blueprint. - Yeah, we really did. That's what happened to me, too. - The Peter Rosenberg School of Majorness. - That's how you do it, that's how you get made. You dissed Nikki, then you get hot, and then that sustains, and then at some point, something else will happen. Like, Joe will get in trouble in some way, and then it'll skyrocket again, hopefully not getting in trouble. And then you keep going up in levels, but congratulations. Everyone, people love the show. The live event was great and weird and crowded. - And Le Pug, who was Le Pug? - And Le Pug. - And Le Pug. - Oh, is that the new one? - Yeah, well, it's the new and old. Me and Rosemary came up with that for, where did we go? A3C. - Yeah, we were like, it's gonna be, I was like, it's gonna be Le Pug. It's gonna be Le Pug. - So, that's like fake lit? - No, 'cause really a lot of things that are really lit are Le Pug. - I don't understand your lingo. - Well, Le Pug is like, it's lit, but it's also, like, fucking ridiculous, but it's also lit. - Like, for example, every hip-hop LA club night is Le Pug. - I don't like it. - What are they called to get? Like, Playhouse. - Yeah, a Grey Stone. - Grey Stone. - Oh my God, I had to be carried out of Grey Stone last night. - We're gonna get to that. - Yeah. (laughing) - We just wanted to get the, and Joe jumped the gun. - Yeah, we have Mottie back. Last episode was just Joe and I, which, you know, could have been either really bad or really good. Yeah, people seem to like it. It was very much misogynistic a bit. - Yeah, of course it was. - No woman here to slow it down. - No, we had women in here, but they couldn't speak, so. - Oh my God, even worse. (laughing) - So, Mottie was not here, and it was right after Grammy weekend. - Yeah. - So, we did not get the immediate, we thought Marissa was going to Toronto. - We all did. - She was talking two episodes ago that she could not wait to go to All Star and be with all the stars. - Yeah. - So, she lands in Toronto. - I did make it to Toronto. - And hits the podcast chat and says unpacking, now I'm packing, going to LA. - What time around the day was it? - It's like 10 a.m. - Yeah, it was in the morning. - I was certainly at work. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So, on our end, Rory, she calls us. - On FaceTime. - On FaceTime calls Ebro, I think, or Dionny. - Yeah, it goes. No, Dionny does does. - So, she calls Ebro. And she's like, "Hey, I'm here." - The guy that. - That helps. - You came for where you were staying. - Yeah, yeah. - You flew yourself. - We bought our flights and he paid for it. - And he paid for it. - So, you could do content for Blamey, bro. - Mm-hmm. - So, she's up there and she's like, "Hey, Ebro, I have a situation. Someone wants to fly me out to LA. I think I'm leaving Toronto." Ebro doesn't get mad, surprisingly. Probably because his expectations of you are so right. And he holds up the phone and she tells the whole room. It's like five of us in the room. Everyone says the same thing. Ebro, a little quieter than me and Laura. We were both like, "Stay in Toronto." I said, I remember, I was across the room. I was like, "Stay in Toronto. You said you were going to Toronto. I know LA will be great. Stay in Toronto. That's what your plan were. That's where Gia's going. That's where Dionny's going. It's where Laura and Ebro are going. I'm the only one who's not going to All-Star. And she's the most in with me. I was like, "Build with the team. This was the plan." - Yeah, that was the one thing he did say. You're awkward and weird with people. Why don't you just build with them and finally not be awkward and weird and get close with you? - I thought that made sense. - Yeah. - It did. - It did. - That was the one part we're talking about. Marissa here. - So she arrives to LA that night. - I was lost at I'm now packing. - Hold on. Could I tell my side of this? - She went dark. - Oh, she went dark. - I haven't spoken to her since. - It was a lot happening in LA. I was tired. It was a lot. - So how did you instantly decide that even though you'd been planning on going to All-Star all that time, it was no longer worth it. - Okay. - And it was worthwhile to go to 3,000 miles to LA. - So here's the thing. So when we brought up the All-Star Weekend versus Grammy weekend situation, it was a little bit annoying because it was like, "Now we have to choose." Because usually they're not ever-- - Usually we could plot. - Yeah. So, Ebro was like, "Look, I'll fly you guys out. Decide talking to me in GIA. Decide amongst yourselves, which you think is more beneficial for blaming Ebro content and what would make more sense." If you guys want to split up, you could split up. One of you guys go to LA. One goes to Toronto. If you guys want to stay together, stay together. So I didn't want to go alone to anything. I don't like being alone that much. And GIA was more set on All-Star. And I was like, "You know what? Maybe it'll make more sense. We'll all be out there. I'll have more juice out there versus being alone in LA. I don't have as much juice to get into stuff to get social." So I agreed to Toronto. And then as time wore on, we had like a month and a half after we booked it. Rosenberg was like, "Yo, LA is going to be lit though. I'm excited." So we're blaming this on Rosenburg? No, no, no. Of course. Lucky. No, I'm just saying he was getting me like, "Damn, I really should have chose LA. I have always a better time in LA. I have friends in LA. I really should have went." And you can vouch. I was saying it multiple times. The week or two before she was like, "LA does sound better." Because the week of, I'm going on Instagram and I'm posting the temperatures and I'm like, "LA is the move. All-Star, you played yourself. It's all about LA." Exactly. And I believe I was right. I believe LA was the move that weekend based on weather alone. It was 90 the whole time we were there. Yeah, and it was fucking beautiful and I couldn't change my flight even if I wanted to because I had Air Canada. So it wasn't like I could get a credit to take Air Canada to Los Angeles. So I landed in Toronto and I got a text situation to get to LA. And I was like, "You know what?" What's a text situation? That's a good question. It doesn't even matter what that means. So it was an offer to get to LA and I was like, "You know what? I can go out there. I can get work done out there." First, before I accepted the offer, I hit up all my people in LA to make sure that there was stuff I could get for social out there. I found out there was a concert going on the next night that I got passes to immediately. Found out there was different parties. French was having a dinner. All these things. I was like, "Great. I can make good content for Ebro. This makes it worth my switching trip." And we have all our people out here already in Toronto. They'll cover social. Which was still the wrong decision. And that day she FaceTime me again. I think I ignored her. You didn't know me. I just texted her and I said, "I don't feel like talking about it." But I'm telling you, the move is to stay in Toronto. Yes, you wanted to go to All-Star. However, you need to show the people you work with, particularly Ebro, who looks out for you and has the chance to move forward. Do more for you. You don't know what. To prove to him that you're committed. Because even though Ebro really likes Marissa and he thinks she's very talented and he thinks she's very smart. I know he does not yet trust your judgment. You're judgment. Yep. And so I thought she made a bad decision. I was like, "This is who you committed to. You should rock out with them. And you should build with Dianni and Gian." You know, have a little girl come rotary and set up. But she did not listen. Well, our listeners could have seen that coming. Yeah. This is not the first decision that's been of question. Questionable. No, it's not a podcast. All right. So you now land in LA. Right. We're going to skip over most of the details. No, no, no, no, no. We're going to skip over most of the details. I guess I can. We don't want to hear about French's dinner. We want to hear about the text that was sent. It doesn't matter. But in the end, I ended up getting some great content. I got it reposted on Baller Alert. Okay. But what about the reason you went out there? We don't need to discuss that. I thought you were going to discuss some of what? In our pre-meeting. In our pre-meeting. You said. I was like, "All right, guys. No one talk about what happened." No, no. You said you were like, "I'll explain that something repug happened." Without giving all the details, weren't you going to say? You ended up in a situation that was not even worth your while to go to in the first place. Yeah, but it was very interesting. It was, I'm sure you learned a lot. I did learn. I learned a lot. What did you learn? I learned that that's not somewhere I'd belong. Are you saying you had a. Epiphany? Yeah. Well, don't go as far as epiphany because that would hold you to an epiphany. No, it's an epiphany and never again. I promise. There was another, I'll never again. So if this person ever texts you again for a fly-up, you're going to reply with no. Rory's so black for saying Texas like that. I don't like the state of Texas. Sorry. And again, I want to make it so clear before people roast me about blah blah blah blah. You're not saying anything. They can't roast them. No, I'm just saying like if you knew, if this person was like in Wisconsin or like fucking North Carolina or Miami, I wouldn't have gone. The only reason I accepted was because I wanted to be in LA for the rest of the weekend and I did that and I worked or whatever. So I just want to make that clear. So I told her when she got, when I saw her the next day, the first day, basically we were there, I saw her at the show and I kind of pulled her aside and was like, I really think it was a bad decision. I'm not going to be shitty to you. I'm glad you're out of your working. She was at the concert getting social. Now mixed in with getting social. And when we say getting social. No, I wasn't. I was being there. No, because when we say getting social, of course, we're talking about her doing social media stuff. Yeah. I'm on Ebro site now. I'm trying to find the Grammy. No, no, no, no. It's, I was doing Instagram Snapchat. So it would be Instagram. It would be on there. Yeah, a ton of shit. Okay. So Rory will go back. I'm sure. But you have to understand on that. Was he even on the concert? Was he just there? Oh, he was just there. Well, he was a special guest. Ty Dolla sign was at the concert. Yay. So it was Ty? He, he, no. Okay. Not the reason she was there. Okay. But I'm sure it was a bonus. Yeah. Do you know he was going to show up at the concert? I did not know. So Ty Dolla sign shows up. And I see her and she's like hovering awkwardly by Ty Dolla sign as he's doing red carpet. And I go, she's like, Hey, do you see Ty? And I'm like, I see him. She, did you talk to him? I was like, No, not yet. I'm talking to him when I talk to him. She's like, Oh, why talk to him? And I'm like, So if you talk to him, why, why are you still hovering about? If you are, if you already talked to him, why are you hovering about? Anyway, I saw him this weekend as well. He's on tour right now with Future for them. Don't skip past the conversation we had. I just want to say that I love Ty. We, you really have to say that on this fucking podcast. There's no fucking way the audience here does not know that you love Ty Dolla sign. You've even convinced Joe to fucking love Ty Dolla sign. That's true. Now, by the way, I love Ty Dolla sign. That's an artist. He doesn't love Ty Dolla sign. That's a great guy. But so I say to her, and I, this was, I think, maybe the most serious conversation we had wrong. I said, I was like, Mercy, you're cool. You're actually a cool person. I am pretty cool. Why do you do? Do you want to be stalkery? I was like, you're being weird. You're hovering. He already knows you. He already saw you. In fact, he likes you, your favorite artist who you're most obsessed with, right? Right. Who's your favorite artist like ever? My favorite artist ever? In the conversation. Someone's in the conversation. Let's just say Jay-Z. Just for theory. Exactly. It's an easy one to say, because all of us could easily agree we would probably man fan out. Of course. Right. And do whatever he asked. If he was like, "Come to this thing," we'd be like, "Okay." But if I knew, honestly, even at the level in which I know Jay-Z, once I see him and have a little exchange with him, I'm going to try to have an exchange with him. I see him. I'm going to make sure he sees me and I'm going to say, "What's up to him?" And that's it. I was on an elevator with him and Beyonce. Not a pun. I really wasn't. Absolutely nothing happened. I swear to God. Don't say word. I was with Ninth Wonder and he introduced me and I thought I said something, but apparently I didn't say anything. In my head we had a fucking great exchange. I didn't even know you were talking with Ninth Wonder. Yeah. Ninth is a good friend. Oh, really? I didn't know that. When was this? 2011. It's so random. This was when him and Fonte did that tour and was at BB King's. Got it. Okay. Long time. And she was pregnant. I saw a pregnant Beyonce. I was like, "I'll have some good vibes surrounding you." Yeah. The pregnant, B, she was probably glowing. Yeah, of course. Well, that's it. And he probably added so much to the pregnancy and the health of the child. In my mind, I dapped to set a great witty joke. He laughed. I rubbed Beyonce's stomach. Gave a little kiss. Kind of weird. I actually dapped him one time and then touched my elbow. It was amazing. He touched your elbow? Yeah, after I dapped him. I met him twice. So he dapped you with one hand. Yeah. And then he was like, "All right, cool." You know what I'm saying? "Bye." And then he had the elbow. That's nice. And it was amazing. Where was it? At that place you go like bowling over there? That's where I saw them too. On the water, pee or something? I saw them. Chelsea Pierre? Yeah. No, I saw them with a bowling alley across from Chelsea Pierre. Oh. It was Angeli Chinese birthday party, I want to say. That's where I always see that. Angeli, she's really cool, because she's from Santa Gold. Anyways, we're getting off the point that we need to get down to what really happened to Grammy weekend. Nothing. So... Okay, so... You're making me sound weird and I don't like this conversation. No, no. We went off our pre-meeting. That's why this is weird. And you hovered, though. You're a hovered... I didn't do a little hovering. And I said, "I think it's time for you, just like you had the epiphany about not taking trips to go hang out with people who you shouldn't hang out with, you should also have an epiphany that you're cool with Thai dalasan, and you no longer need to be weird in stalkering. In fact, you should probably dial it back to normal. I did dial that. But that's probably all he knows her is. That's her behavior. That's her personality. But he still seems to like her. Like, I witnessed it. Yeah, he does. And when he came on our podcast, he did it strictly off her. He was ready to go to his next... We didn't book him. He's having a B and Hot 97. Right, and he came in. Like, he does like her and doesn't and must know you're weird but appreciates how much you like him. But don't you think now it would be like you would seem cooler if you dialed it back just a touch? Well, see, that's what happened. And I told him because he FaceTimey from Dubai, like a couple weeks ago, just see, that should be enough. Right, well look. Yeah, how side do we have ho faced on to you? From Dubai? Right. In my brain, I would have answered, but then I would have dropped the phone. Actually Abu Dhabi, which apparently is on the same thing. So he FaceTimey, so he was like, "Are you coming to my concert?" I was like, "Actually, no. I was thinking I should kind of dial it back." I literally said that. I was like, "I feel like I kind of come around a little too much. Like I'm gonna just, you know, scale it back a little bit plus I'm not the biggest future fan. You're not listening to me. I'm fully listening to you." Okay, well, whatever. I was like, "Plus I'm not the biggest future fan. Like, you know what, you know, I'm gonna just skip that. I'll catch you on like the next go around, whatever." He was like, "What the fuck? Everything in your ear. Like you have to come to my show. Like this really fucked up. Like I want you there." I was like, "All right, cool." And then so then like this coming weekend, instead of I didn't want to go to New York because it's all industry-ish. So he had me come out to PA and then we kicked in and was cool. So I tried to scale it back. He doesn't want me to scale it back. But you don't have to hover. Okay. That was a little hovering. I had nothing else to do, though. There was no one on stage. You really, but I should just, I need you to stay out. Like you're cool with French. You don't hover on French, do you? No. Because you know them well enough. Yeah. You fucked up my game with Chris Brown. I was going to maybe try to kick it to him. And he's like, "Yo, Chris is my little sister, y'all. We've been together for years." And I was like, "This was in LA at his dinner." Oh, just now, recently. Yeah, at his dinner. I was like, "Damn it, French! No little sister. It doesn't get me anywhere." I mean, dudes fuck little sisters all the way. I mean, dudes are out here fucking little sisters. Yeah, that's not weird. Little sisters do end up getting fucked. Matter of fact, sometimes you ask, "Where's your little sister?" Just kidding, though, guys. I wasn't really going to kick it to fucking Chris Brown. Oh, really? You would turn down Chris Brown. No, I didn't. I'm glad you're on it. It's not for a second. Let's keep it a hundred. But I wouldn't try to holler at him. Just for clarification. Except for when you did. Last week. And you just told us that. You have a contradiction? No, but I didn't try. I was going to try. Well, the point is, why can't you handle Thai now the way you-- I don't know. I just get weird around him. I got gettin' nervous. Well, she had obsessed with Thai before she met him. Yeah. And then I think she just knew French. Like, listen, I love Kendrick. Like, everyone knows. I'm like a fanboy of Kendrick. Like, I'm a big fan. And there are moments where I'm excited that I have the relationship that I do with him because I think he's that great. Like, the way you feel about Thai dalasan. Like, you think he's this incredible musician, which I think he is, and I think he'll prove to be very important over time. Yeah, over time. Right? He's great. But Kendrick, we already know what he is, right? We already know Kendrick's. Kendrick. And I have-- he-- Kendrick sent me a text the day after the Grammys. That's right. I woke up from a text and he was like, yo, thanks for coming last night. We went to Kendrick's party. He didn't FaceTime you? I know. Exactly. I would jump in from Abu Dhabi. No. Not even close. And I had him one more. I go, oh, man, that's nice. I told my wife. I told you. I was like, Kendrick hit me the next day. It's so nice. I understand getting geeked a little bit. But like, I'm not going to make sure what he's doing later, fam. Like-- I don't do that. For the record, I said he FaceTime me from Abu Dhabi, he wanted me to come up. That's one circumstance. But when you're at the event with him, you don't leave him alone. I do too. I didn't even bother him that time. How many nice-- how many separate times did you talk to him? Twice. I'm not lying. There wasn't a third one. No. By the way, I snap-shatted her. If you follow me, Rosenberg Radio, my snap-shat, I snap-shatted her just waiting and staring at him. I was like, dude, you are such a fucking exaggerated. You waited on the red carpet after you-- and he was doing it. I was talking to Sasha. And she kept saying to me, she kept being like, don't you want to talk to him? Don't you need to talk to him? And I'm like, I'll talk to him when I talk to him. I risk him. I don't know what it is. I'm just a little weird. Anyways, the rest of the-- the rest of the trip was-- we saw each other again a couple. Like every night. I was at Kalani's Granny party together. Did she win a Granny's party? She did not win. She was nominated. But the weekend won. I mean, it was kind of a love. That was Kalani's album. It's really good. It makes tape a-- album adjacent. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was hard for a Grammy. I think it's an album now. Her party was love hug. Good lip hug, though, I thought. Yeah. No, it was like-- I mean, like-- Wait, it was that repug, though. It was so crowded. For me? It was dope. Dip thought it was really crowded, too. For me, I thought it was like low-key. I don't know. It was easy. I was frustrated because I didn't feel like drinking, so I was sober, and it was just like-- and then someone else who had tried to kidnap me that weekend was like trying to fight with me on my phone, and I was just getting frustrated. Someone else? Yeah, because once I escaped situation A, I don't know. You ran the situation A? I was in situation B. Can you explain this escape? We don't know who it is. We're not going to gross you over it. No. Can you explain the situation? I can't. Honestly, I can't. Like, I really can't. But you can. You went to see this person, and then when you got there, what was the situation? Can't you just say that? I realized they were trying to have an orgy, and I was like, "Whoa, buddy." At what point did you realize, "Oh, my God, this might be an orgy?" As I was sitting there, and then one girl arrived at me, I was like, "Oh, hey, girl. Okay, hey." And then she was like, "Hey, girl." And then we were there for like three hours, and then another girl arrived, and she was like, "Oh, my God. That's such and such. She's been around since blah, blah, blah." And I was like, "What?" Oh, they were trading war stories of being around. Yes. And I was just like, "Oh, yeah, no, nah, nah, this isn't working." So then I really-- Was this gentleman in the room, or he just had you guys in a separate room? No, he was around. I really can't talk about it. But-- How did you escape? Can you talk about that? How did you escape? Well, first, I fell asleep for hours, and like, what did it start? I fell off to a weird start. I didn't move, one touched, even though I felt it. I was just like, "Oh, I'm sleeping." Oh, someone tried to wake you up. Yeah. And I just kept sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, sleeping. He tried doing it. They tried saying, "Hey, there's an orgy behind you." And I just like slept right through it. And then the next day, it just kept continuing. Like, everybody was-- The orgy never stopped. And I was just-- Would they kept going? No, they didn't keep fucking. It was just there. Like, I don't know. And then we were just all there, and then I was like, "You know what? I have to go. My car is here." So where'd you end up going? So then I went to the concert that night. So then this person that I'm just cool with, we've never had sex ever, like we always flirt but whatever. And so he texted me. He was like, "Yo, what the fuck you're in LA? You haven't hit me?" I'm like, "How the fuck would I know you're in LA? You're not even from LA." He's like, "Well, I'm out here, like fucking going crazy. I'm like, I'll come fucking see you, Jesus Christ." So this-- my home girl from LA, she was like driving me around or whatever. She took me over to see him, and he was like, "Yo, why don't you stay with me?" 'Cause I was going to stay with Mike. I had hit zombie, and I was like, "Y'all, I'm kind of staying with you." It didn't have a problem. He was like, "No, fuck that. Stay with me. It's cool. I got a big ass house out here." But I'm like, "All right, I guess I'll stay with you." He's like, "We'll go out for Valentine's Day. We'll do it." I'm like, "Fun." Yeah, I'm like, at least fucking-- Did the two same girls walk into the house? No. Oh, you again? And then-- No, you know why they didn't? Because the drop off from person A to person B is majeure. I don't know either, so I'm not sure. Yeah. I'll take your word for it. Not A-list. No disrespect. No disrespect. You're talking way too much. Oh, my God. I think I'm still pretty vague. Yeah. And A-list is very relative, by the way. Very. And depends on the year and the time. Because I wouldn't put the gentleman I think it is as A-list. At some point, maybe you would have. Yeah, I guess. Anyways. Jesus Christ, guys. I didn't even want to go there. I think I'm still-- Okay, that's enough. We're going now. So then-- So anyway, so then me and my mom go there, and we're like, "We're all drinking," or whatever, and he's like, "Yeah, just stay with me, stay with me." I'm like, "Fine." And then when I got there, I put on six layers of clothes, and then I also fell asleep. Six layers of clothes to ensure that you didn't have sex. Yeah. So you would just leave me alone. I had a hoodie and a teacher and all type of shit, "Hey, Nick." So then the next day, I was like, "Okay, I'll stay with you, but as long as you don't fucking annoy me, and tell me to hang out with you all day, I have shit to do in LA." He's like, "No, it's fine. It's fine." So then I went about my business, and I went to go see MGK's manager, he went out for a beautiful lunch, and then he fucking texts me like, "So you're just going to spend the night, and wear all those clothes on the house, I'm like, 'Oh, we're not doing this, bro. This is not--' He's just fucking nitpicking now. Like, shut the fuck up." And then I go to Killani's party, and he's blowing me up, "Yo, where the fuck are you?" I'm like, "I said, this is not what we're going to do, bro." Do you still have your stuff at his house at that point? Yes. And I'm fucking sick to my stuff. That's why I was in such a bad mood at her party, because I'm like, "How am I doing this?" I got to get this stuff from you. Yeah. So then I texted him, "You know what, Killani just asked me if I could help her for the weekend." I don't even know what that means. It was just like the time Usher asked you to-- yeah, exactly. So I was like, "You know, her assistant right now is going to take me over to get your shit, because my homegirl, Sasha, was like, 'I'll take you to get your shit if you want. I'm like, 'Thank you, Jesus Christ.'" So she picked me up. A person A hit you up at all, like, where did you go? No, I told person A, like, "I'm out, like, this is it, bye." Okay. Yeah. And he didn't ask for his money back. No. Delta guy. Nope. You wasn't like that flight. Didn't ask for nothing. But-- So then I-- so he was like, "Oh, okay, I guess that's cool." She took me, I got all my shit, and I dipped. And you-- and you escaped. And I escaped, and I stayed with Zombie in a beautiful, nice situation for the rest of the weekend. No stress. If this was a record-- if Boris's life was like a weird hip-hop romantic comedy, you know at some point-- Love a hip-hop. Yeah, exactly. There's a show already. I forgot. That actually exists. Years-- no, no, but years down the road, she would end up with Zombie. And he would have voted to have watched her go through all this stuff, but he loved her the whole time. The films is like my potato chip. I love that. Exactly. He's your potato chip. You're Franklin Roosevelt. You're Bill Bromenowski. My bro-button. You're your bro-button, bro-button, and then-- and then one day, you guys would look at each other and be like, "We have matching hair." And-- And matching girls. And matching girls. And-- I love Zombie. Like, he's literally like one of my top five favorite people. He's one of the-- we love-- everyone loves that guy. Like, we had such a fun time. I enjoyed that first-- that-- oh my god, we went to a candy crush party. It was Candy Crush themed party. She was very excited. Like, I fucking lost my mind. It was so cool. It was so cool. It was actually-- it was the Watchma Call party, primary wave. Yeah. They're a publishing company. I was saying, I don't know what that is, but yeah. But it was sponsored by Candy Crush. She was very excited. They had, like, Candy Crush drinks, Candy Crush dance floor, Candy Crush fucking monuments. Oh, for me. It was so amazing. It was so amazing. Candy Crush? Exactly. They had a candy table. Wow. Amazing. Anyways, all right. So, Grammys, that seems to be a dead conversation. It's over. At this moment that we are recording is this camera on versus Karen's civil situation. Weird. Yeah. So, for those that don't know what's going on listening to this in the future-- Like, tomorrow? Yeah. --she said that Cam got kicked out of Rockefeller because he took his parking spot, which I actually-- But she even said that. --is a joke. Yeah. I thought she said it. Yeah, I didn't think she was serious. And then, Camron got a bit upset and put something on Instagram, suggesting that she stole $60,000 from Duke to God. Suggesting is a mild way of putting it. He's asserting it defiantly and saying he has the receipts to back it up. Yeah. I love Cam because Cam doesn't delete shit like the other rappers. No. He's not the delete man. So this will probably still be up if you're listening. He's put up three posts, one giving background on the situation, a second photo of a young Yandy and a young Karen civil and a young dip set, and then a video of him calling Karen civil saying, yo, you owe us $60,000. I don't like the situation. Why? Why don't you like? Because your friends and everyone. Yeah. So I just-- I don't have a dog in this fight. How early is in the story of Karen civil, how early is the relationship with dip set? I honestly wouldn't know this much better. Yeah. Karen and I both met them. I was 15, so if-- I don't know how old Karen is now, but I think she's at least four years older than me. So it doesn't matter. I was-- so this was 2003. We both met them. And because she was like already grown up and like not in high school anymore, like I was, she was able to parlay that into a job within a year. Was she working with them pre-flex? Yeah. She actually was with them first and then got flexed. Well she was-- she was doing that game thing to be Angie Martinez as apprentice. Got it. Didn't get that. And then flex was like, yo, you work hard though. Some work for me. And this was still during the dip set time because she wasn't like full 100% with them. And then-- so then she was doing both, but she eventually left flex after a while because dip set was able to be a full time situation. Now I will say this. Cameron's first post about this appears to be based on a DAT PIF post that says parking lot politics can get pretty petty. JZ probably dumped dip set from def jam because Cameron blocked his car. Cameron didn't say that. I didn't listen to the podcast. That sounds like they heard the podcast and wrote the sensational headline of course. Did you listen? No, I listened to the actual interview. Okay. And yeah, she mentioned that she was walking out, was saying hello to Cam and Jay was trying to flag down Cam of some nature for a parking spot. To me, it sounded like she was saying it and just it wasn't serious. Yeah, Cameron, that's a good friend of mine. She's never-- she doesn't want beef, she doesn't want to start shit with people. The dip set situation has been rocky for a while since she left or whatever. And I know she wouldn't have said it to fucking start a war with them. Like she's not-- it's not what-- And I don't think it was that either. Of course, the clickbait. I can't believe DAT PIF does this. I mean, aren't they-- I didn't know that was good. I didn't know they did this for clicks. I thought their whole central was-- I don't think they're clickbait either, but I guess Cameron is like a big part of that stuff. Yeah, yeah. So I guess they just took it. Well, with that said, this was how many years ago you said, 2003? Yeah, that's when-- well, she started like 0304. And then she left in like '07, '08, '07, '08, one of those. Now I have no dog in this fight at all. I don't really know Karen that well. We have a lot of really close mutual friends. I don't know Cameron at all. It's a bit weird that now he's getting this upset over $60,000 from 2003. No. That's not what he's upset about though. What it sounds to me is he's upset about is that the story as he believes it to have been told, not saying that's how she told it, made him look bad in his divorce, if you will, with the Jay-Z rock fella situation. Yeah. And he didn't like-- he feels-- I think it sounds like he felt like she knew the inside of what it really was probably and didn't-- wasn't honest about what it was. That's what seemed-- the 60,000 seems like, you know, it's like, for example, the same person who I've talked to with you for about who owes me money. That's not really why I was annoyed with that person. I was annoyed with him because of things that happened between us and then the thing that I throw out as like, "Hey, how about you pay me the money you owe me?" You know what I'm saying? It's an easy thing to go to if someone does something else to you. He might have never cared about the money. And by the way, this isn't the first time that it's been a situation with them. Joan's lashed out on her on Twitter a few years ago, too. About what? About the same situation. The 60K? Well, money in general. I think more of the beef or whatever. But like, for the most part, these guys have like, left it alone. So I think it really is just Cam, like you said, feeling slighted about the whole little divorce. Jase. Do we think Camron has heard this interview and heard exactly what she said? No, I don't think he heard it at all. I think he read that headline and just kind of went off the hand. Why is it so acceptable all the time? For people, if you were to ask them, "Yo, did you hear exactly what I said?" It was like, "No." Someone told me. That's what the fuck happened with the make-mill situation. I'm not quite sure why you would not go to the source and listen to it before you reacted. Especially... And Camron may have heard it. I'm not sure. Yeah. But for some reason, this seems to be a trend all the time with people. And you can't picture Camrons around listening to a podcast, let's just be honest. Yeah. But then again, that's not... I never expected Fishbot to go listen to a podcast and he fucking sat and listen to all our shit. Oh. I hope. Did I say that over the mic? I don't... I think you were clear. Yeah. Me and him just got in another fight when I was an L.A.T. Cam, even less so. I don't... I don't know. They're like the same person. Although Cam is also funny, he probably listens like weird random comedy podcast. But I couldn't picture him listening to... But anyways, who knows? Maybe we'll listen to a text podcast. I don't know. But either way... I mean, a text is that kind of guy he might listen to because I could feel like he could relate to text and the text speaks for people like... To a degree. I suppose. With that said, I'm curious to see now tomorrow and when I check my timeline after we record this. How a lot of publications are quick to jump on any clickbait in gossip that they possibly fucking can. I'm curious to see who goes completely silent on this situation. Every other blogger out there? Which is weird to me because if you are going to now ask for everyone to take you seriously as a blogger and a lot of you guys use the word journalist instead of blogger for some odd reason. Hey, some people are really right. Some do. Yeah. At what point are you now? That is your position you put yourself in. And you are going to move past this because Karen seems to be one of your friends. Or she's one of your friends or she's someone you deem powerful and don't feel like having an issue with her. I mean, it's easy to report the situation on being unbiased though. I agree. But you did a good job describing the way you saw it. Yeah. In a very safe way. I mean, I really don't have an opinion towards it. I don't know Karen that well and I don't know. Yeah, someone fucking added me on camera on this thing like, Oh shit, I'm going to fuck are you out of me for? Like, isn't that your friend? I'm like, it's not my business or your business. Get the fuck out of this shit. Well, if if Marty's job on blame, he wrote is to post things that are relevant, I actually don't post on the site. All right. I just wasn't where I was getting it. Okay. And your job is to tell the interns what to post and what not to post. And there's something out there about me, hypothetically, because I'm not relevant. But if I was, I wouldn't be mad at Marty for posting that. Yeah, I mean. That's her job. If she got very malicious and personal in the post, I would directly speak to her. Yeah. But that's her job. Me and I mean, flex, that it makes more sense with flex. Like flex has been in the media in the past couple of years with shit with divorce and his wife and all that shit. We posted everything. He would call us like, don't take away shy away from that shit. Post that shit. Post everything that comes out in the media. Because it flexes his own piece with that though. Yeah. He's one of the only people who does not give a shit. I mean, if it creates clicks flexes, like I go. I don't. But see, that's the thing where a lot of people get mad at flex and I've been very critical flex myself. But flex, I respect no matter what and who you are. He will give you his opinion live on air because that is what he's put himself in position to do. Yeah. He has a responsibility as a DJ and a host and a personality to speak on things that involve hip hop, news, whatever it is. He sticks to that. And I feel like these bloggers are picking and choosing the things that they want to post due to their relationships. And that is what kind of separates you as a blogger and a journalist to me. I mean, you also got to look at people's websites too. No, I agree. No, this would even make sense on rap radar, it wouldn't make sense on rap up. There's a lot of sites. No, it would make it would make sense on a rap radar. Which one? Which post? Cameron versus Karen Sivol is not relevant on rap radar. Are they above that? They don't really do gossipy. Should they do music? They will do. I mean, like once in a bluetooth. They'll pose so and so, so and so if it's like a war of words. Yeah. But I mean, Karen. Cameron lashing out a Karen. That might not be enough. If it was Cameron and Jim. Right. Like a real hip hop beat. This is not a real, this is blogger and I mean, cause I mean, she's not a blogger anymore, but at the end of the day, like that's what she's considered an art. What is she? What would you describe her as? I don't even, I don't know how to use. She's a Karen Sivol. Entrepreneur. No. I don't even know. Yeah. Yeah. Motivational speaker. Her interview with Tax and she made a really cool point. She gets paid to be herself. Yeah, she does. I think that's really admirable. I mean, to a degree I'm not sure cause I don't know her personally, but I think that's great. Her content she's done with Nipsey. I loved the Fettie in my neighborhood shit. I like the stuff that she does. Yeah, she does some cool shit with her site. She's still with Nipsey. I know. I thought she was managing though. Yeah. That's what I think she does. Yeah. Her and Steve, right? Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, yeah. Is this news or am I going too far in a situation that doesn't matter? I'm not serious looking at all the bloggers. But I think a lot of kids don't know who, I mean, it's not that they're quiet. Like what are they going to say? It's a weird situation because that is our friends. I mean, like, I don't, I don't want to put anyone on blast, although. We can. Who do, who do you expect to say something? Um, to wrap radars. Let me go have a blog list. But Elliot doesn't really put out opinions unless it's like a music, like not even, all Elliot does, and I'm not, doesn't it? Has he retweeted anything? That's a good question. Because that's what he does. Elliot's statement is retweeting. Yeah. That's basically what he does. The main, I mean, he uses the podcast as his voice. I'm guessing. And then on social, I feel like all he really does now is post and repost. It's all like sort of a setup for the podcast. God, I feel so good that I don't have any, I don't have a beef with any podcast anymore. I don't feel weird talking about any podcast. Do you want to start some? No, not today. But no, I don't really feel like, I don't really feel like a piece of leverage. I don't feel like that's something that anybody really would have anything to say. Like, because it's also a weird situation where we don't feel like what happened. You don't know. That's the thing. What are you going to take inside? Like, I have opinions about cam and civil as people privately. Yeah. Both good people. Yeah. Yeah, I can tell you like privately, oh, I think this of this one and this of that one, but but aside, then what are you doing? Then you're just, then you're just really got straight up gossip. But in my sense of bringing it up now, we brought up things much lower than Karen and Cam. And the podcast is the bottom of the fucking barrel. Yeah. Thank you. It's why it does so well. Yeah. Well, until we trust the podcast. Exactly. No matter what gets said, we'll talk about it. Are we those guys? Joe really is interested. Joe really will talk about the scourge of the era. Yeah. Well, I would feel reluctant even as her being a close friend of my close friends to not bring it up because I feel as our responsibility, we've said things and we haven't said anything bad about it here at all, in my opinion. But yeah, we bring up things lower than that. We're not above Cam and Karen. No, it is actually kind of the perfect hybrid for this podcast. No, I don't think we're a gossip podcast at all. No, I don't either. But you will talk about it. I wouldn't do this if we were a gossip. You talk about current shit that's happening. And it's the perfect conversation because Cam is someone that all your listeners are somewhat interested in, amused by a fan of. And Karen is the in the world of you two and now the world Joe kind of pays attention to and it's the perfect hybrid conversation. I just don't think we have anything to offer on it. I'll tell you one thing, Karen was all over my ass the last time she came in for an interview. Do you remember that? We there for that? Yeah, that was when she shouted me out and you're like, no one knows Marissa Mendes. Yeah. And she, no, sorry. Sorry. At the time you were popping in. No, she was just giving me such a hard time. She was she was still mad at me from some time when I I don't even know what I ever said about her publicly. I'm sure I did say something. You're not above. It was no. Of course not. It was something like, what does she do? Something like that. But you know me. I'm a hater. I'm a particularly a hater of people. If I can't discernibly understand what you do, I'm like very dated in that sense, right? Like because everyone had a job when you were coming up. That's it's a job. So it's like, even if even her saying like I get paid to be myself, no, no, I get paid to be myself. I get paid by Walt Walt Disney and Emma's broadcasting to myself. Oh my God. I saw your billboard on the West Side highway when I was driving to get my eyelashes done and I'm a DJ's. It was so cool. But I couldn't take a picture because I would have fucking crashed my car. I'm glad you didn't. But I was really happy. But I put you on the West Side highway. Yeah, I'm out you. I mean, my name's not. Congrats. With a Michael K. Thingy. Your face. Yeah. Like face. It's not just like your voice coming out. I know. Isn't that the weird part? You think you use my voice or my name? Neither of those are there. You can't use my voice technically. And my name. It could be a shouting. I would be a weird billboard. I'd like it. And my name's not on it, which I thought was odd, but my face is. But I don't think anybody's really reading it anyway. And if your name would have been on it, it probably would have been mad little. So you would. I know. But the thing is, and I'm happy to get anything from them, but here's what I found weird about the billboard. And we're doing pretty well. So I'm not complaining. But you added me to the show because I in theory have some sort of value add because I've been on in the market on another station for years and years. But to the average listener driving, they were going to see me and not even put together that that's me. Yeah. So you might as well have put up like Peter Rosenberg joins the fun. Whatever. Some big wins. The fun, right? So there's a bad example. We just got our name on our podcast. I work for the first time after a year. Yeah, right. That's the next conversation. That's the next conversation we need to have before you before we get into that. I still want to piggyback to your ESPN thing. What is that transition been like? People care about you. So I think we should have that conversation. Kind of conversation. By the way. Hold on. If you're driving on the West side highway, it's like up there by like Phuket and all those clubs. Yeah. Like the grocery store section where all those lights are in like mad random, you describe that very well. The grocery store. By dinosaur, barbecue and all that shit like that section. Yeah. Oh, that doesn't exist anymore? No, I forget clothes. Well, you want to know the most random billboard I've ever seen with Peter Rosenberg on it? What? I was coming out of Popeyes on Jamaica Avenue. Let's go. Francis Lewis Boulevard. And I walked out. Thank you. And I said, yeah, and Queens. I said, why am I looking at Peter Rosenberg's face on Jamaica and Francis? Was it a black reporter he could have drew or something? It was. And you were wearing our sweatshirt. So I couldn't be mad. Why? Because I was wearing it by any means. Yeah. I couldn't be mad. There's no fucking question about that. I forgot that I rocked that in the thing. Yeah. Anyways, so this transition. Oh, let's shout to my man, Savon Sampson. By the way. Shout out to Savon. Who I heard from this week. Oh, yeah. How is he doing? Good. He sent me, he has some new gear he's doing. And he has. So on Instagram. For those who don't know who Savon Sampson is, he's a very, very talented artist. Probably a majority of the Deaf Jam covers in the past seven years that have come from Savon. Yeah, really talented dude. Now he's doing his artwork too. Great, great guy. I'm going to try to pull up the website. We should play that before we get out of here. Yeah. Because he has a website with the artwork on and stuff. Anyways, the transition has been cool, man. It's been really fun. You know, now I get Joe to call up and I didn't used to get Joe texting me and yelling at me because he doesn't care what I say on Hot 97. But on Sports Talk, which I know he likes me more on Sports Talk, he'll now text me to like yell at me and say I'm an idiot. The other day he said that I was being disrespectful to Rob Bass and DJ EZ Rock. No, it's text. Okay. Because my co-host on Lou Greco, I mentioned, we played a rock Kim song. And I come out of commercial and I go, do you know who that is? And he goes, is it Rob Bass? And I was like, with all due respect to Rob Bass. Like I said, Rob Bass and DJ EZ Rock, though have great moments, are sort of forgettable. And you compare them to rock Kim, who's arguably the greatest MC of all time. And Joe was like, how dare you call Rob Bass and DJ EZ Rock forgettable. I was like, okay, chill out dude. For the mainstream conversation, I thought it was a safe way to put it. And this has been fun, doing the show is really fun, challenging, nice to be in a place where like you go from feeling like you're the expert and no one can tell you shit to like, I'm not the expert. Like I love sports, I'm semi sports knowledgeable, but like, I could get called out and I'm on my toes. So it's a good challenge. And this is really corporate. How is the difference? Because I've just transitioned into advertising and it's like night and day between hip hop and that, like people respond to emails, you get paid on time. Like what is the difference between the fun concept? Well, it's funny that you say Emis is corporate because compared to Disney and ESPN and actually I'm actually waiting on my check now, wondering when that emails from Emis. Yeah. Yeah, Emis doesn't feel that corporate compared to Disney like Disney is like getting my salary and stuff set up, like going through the process to become to get the real HR. Yeah. And like, Emis is a pretty small company. The only big company things within Emis are hot, 97 power and a six getting this sucker right here. Oh, there you go. The Walt Disney car. The card with Mickey Mouse on it. Oh, let me see. That joint took time. Is that good? You want to show us? Wow. You got to like send them your own photo. My overpriced membership gets me to show house, which I, which I didn't get. I didn't get approved for so house until I already had the job and I kind of applied to be a so house member while I was trying to find a new like more work. Yeah. So I thought it would be a good look, right? To just like be in that building. And then I got a new job. And then like a couple months later, they're like, Hey, welcome to saw house. And I was like, wait, I don't really need to be a member here anymore, but it is a fun place to go. So when are you going to leave hot? I don't have any plans to leave hot until they kick me out. I'm staying. It's a good situation. You're, it's weird to say and I don't mean this disrespectfully at all. Please. Okay. You're like an OG at, at hot 97 now, which is kind of funny. How about this? I said to Tracy Clority yesterday, off air. I'm so dumb for not asking her on air, for God on the podcast, off the podcast. I was like, I mean to ask you something. I said, I've been coming. I think I said, I'm on like going on like nine years doing mornings in some regard on hot. I was like, am I wrong? Or am I like far to weigh the longest 10 year morning host in the history of 597? She was like, Oh, not even close. When I hear Tracy's name, the only thing that I think of is until trace. Thank you to week off. I'm grateful. Some, some, some who said that, Angie. You all know, let us, if I could go. She's safe. She's outside. You know, very underrated record. Really? I'm not wrong either. It was a bit, it was a hit. And there were, there were a lot of things I forgot to get to a three history, like member on the big pun skit, when him and flex are laughing, he's talking about running trains. And he goes, shout out to Tracy, like he says in the middle of the fucking, what was that? That was a laugh. I don't know what that was. In the middle of talking about running trains, he's like, shout out to Tracy. We didn't even get to that. We didn't. Her story goes so, if y'all don't know about Tracy Clarity, listen, you checked it. Well, we don't want to plug your podcast. No, no, you should. It's the least you could do. Check out the 1FC podcast. Oh, no. To close the ESPN. Me and my father prank called you on ESPN. Oh, yeah. And then he was fucking pissed. I was actually, I know you were. He texted me like, you know, your fucking friend is an idiot. I was like, what the fuck is wrong with him? I was like, is he dumber than I thought? I always thought Rory was smart. Is he a fucking idiot? You know, no, it's not that you pranked me. You cursed. I didn't realize I cursed. You dumb shit. No, no, no, this was in the beginning of the podcast and this was when Joe had just cursed you out for not getting any guests. Right. Right. I was taking my dad to the Yankees game for Father's Day and we were at our typical parking spot at Concourse Village where you don't have to pay and all that shit. So we're sitting there in his car smoking and we're listening to you. Smoking. Wheat. Of course. I forgot your dad is hood. Yeah. Your dad pees outside. He smokes weed. All that shit. Oh, that's pretty nice. Those who have been to my birthday parties know my father for who he is. Okay. And yeah. So we're listening. I know this guy. I know this guy. We should bring our dads in. I don't want the world to know my father. Yo, no, our dads would be lit. My Glenn Mendez and your dad and Joe's dad. Joe's dad is great. Hopper button. You know the freedom. I love Joe's dad. I love Joe's dad. You know, you should just leave them. And they could do our podcast on our behalf. That one. Don't tell them shit. Oh, that's some great idea. Just turn the mics on and lock them in the room and be like, have a good hour, guys. My pops lives in Florida. I'll get them up here. That'll be me. All right. So you guys are sitting there and you're like, I know this dick. It's Rosenberg. Yeah. And he said, we'll call him. Why is it? All right. And it was a Saturday show. So it was not hard to get the room. And they asked, who are you and where are you from? And I think I said you're hometown just so I knew you would like pick up the call. And we were talking about Tiger Woods or something of that nature. And I said, yeah, that's great. When you're going to get a guest on, I'll name this podcast later. And I heard your hesitation and then you're like, ah, yes, the Joe button podcast for first I was kind of excited. I'm like, oh, plug for the Joe button podcast. Well done. And then he's like, yeah, you better do your shit or something like that. And I was like, what? And then he liked it. And then you texted me. No, you texted me. I think you knew. I figured it out at that point. And I was like, what an asshole. Fortunately, they dumped it. Don't worry. It didn't make it there. Oh, the dump. What is the reason I think I don't know. Oh, no, you got on. Shit got caught. Oh, OK. But well, yeah. No, to speak about this podcast to what the hell's going on with this podcast? How are we doing? We're doing great. And now don't we have another announcement coming or is it not ready yet? It's not ready yet. What's the announcement related to? What's it related to? Uh, I don't want to jinx it, but it's pretty much done a home, a future home or something. No, no, just another live show. Oh, great. That'll be awesome. It was a festival that's coming up next month, a festival next month. Yeah. I guess it's a festival. It is. It's a weekend festival. It's a two week thing, actually. Next month? Oh, yeah. Where I just bought my flights yesterday, not knowing that that was happening and I got to change it again. It'll probably just be me and Joe, because Marty's going to land in that state and then give me your girlfriend. Yo, I literally asked him, I was like, yo, can you, you know, send us to South By? He was like, why? So you could fucking go to Alaska. He was like, where are you going to end up if I actually try to send you off? Oh, wait. We just said it. Yeah. Whatever. But we don't know that's confirmed yet. So the podcast appears to be doing well. Mm hmm. Yeah. What's the perception of someone that doesn't listen but was once heavily involved? I mean, I keep my eye on the rankings all the time and I see the post and I posted the live event. Oh, yeah. I occasionally check in. Yeah. I check in and show my support. But that gets to the nitty gritty of like, you know, this is a good thing to focus on while Joe's not here. It's like when I came on, whenever the last time Joe screamed at me and I haven't really been back since, it's not because I was like offended. Yeah. I've talked to Joe. By the way, yeah. In real life, I don't care. The internet will say that that's why you haven't been back. No, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. It is partly why it came. It didn't come back because he stole $60,000 from you. Yeah, Joe was $60,000 and I need him to pay my brother back right now. No, because my brother's actually here. Yep. It is partially why I didn't come back though because I couldn't win being here. He wanted me to come in to do nothing. And then if I was going to get on the mic, I'd get yelled at about not doing anything. And I was like, this isn't worth my time, but particularly when not trying to be an asshole, but I'm literally the busiest I've ever been in my life. So like every day, like today, you were like, hey, do you want to do this? I'm coming from my other show, but when you're like, well, Joe's not here so I can you can help out. I'm happy to do that. But Joe, somehow we miscommunicated in the origins of this podcast when we had our initial conversation at my house that day about like what this podcast would be and what my role would be. I as I think I often do get excited and either overextend myself or I'm just not clear enough. So then when the podcast started, he wanted two things all of a sudden. You wanted me to book guests, which I didn't know was a thing. And as we've learned, you guys aren't really a guest driven podcast and which I think separates us and I'm happy about I but yeah, by the way, you don't need it. I think we do less good when we we have guests. I feel like we're not our usual organic cells. Well, it's a lot of people when you have the forum, a guest makes him four people. Yeah. Right? None of you know disrespect are super experienced on air interviews. Right. And as far as three friends who get on and talk together and then make it super entertaining, which when we have guests, I do appreciate that we don't sit there and interview them. Yeah, I don't want that. Yeah, don't try to force it. That's weird. But so you make it work for you guys, but I'm saying it's not necessary and the problem was Joe, as you guys know, has no interest in bothering his contacts at all with coming on his podcast. So what I couldn't enunciate well because Joe is such a fucking good arguer and I'm a great arguer. Joe is one of the only people I'm like, I don't want to argue with is for me to book guests for a celebrity podcast is ridiculous because I am then wasting my puny contacts, which I need for my shit on you celebrity friend who could get your own guests if you were just fucking willing to ask them, but he doesn't want to do that. So I'm not booking guests for you. That's fucking stupid. You should do that if you want guests. Suddenly, I mean, produce the show, what are you saying to do? Cut bits. It's a fucking podcast. I help set it up, get the studio and give you some suggestions early on and how it could roll. That's basically what I first saw the whole thing being. And then I figured I'd help you get money, which I did and I take my little piece and keep it moving. Joe, asshole that he is, made me feel like so bad early on about my limited role that I never even decided to take the money. So I just essentially was like, I'll get you my guy, Eric, who will help. Shout out to Eric. Eric's the best. I'll put you in this place with aunt and Joey and these guys who are the best and the fucking things moving. What the fuck do you want from me? So at that point, I felt like I knew he was going to look at it as I banned in the podcast. But I felt like it was, you guys were a little, a little cub and you, and you got your bearings and you're out in the forest by yourself. And if you somehow really, they kicked us out of the studio or we need something, you could always hit me. I thought like I've never been unresponsive to anyone from the podcast. I mean, I see you every morning and you've seen you all the fucking time. So that was it and a conversation. And but I still feel like in some way there's like, not bitter, Joe doesn't seem bitter at all, but like I feel like in some way I let the podcast down, but because he made me feel that way. I don't actually believe that. I don't think. You let Joe down. I let Joe down. You know, what a different theme than when I let Nas down, not as it's like it's like in your head and your thing that Joe just like screams at you, rates you, makes you feel like shit. By the way, what an amazing experience it was listening to Joe be rate my wife on her podcast. I didn't listen. I showed it. It was hilarious. If you haven't heard it, let me plug that one at least because it's true. Yeah. No, your wife's great. My wife's podcast. That's what she said. It's on iTunes. That's what she said. It's like three episodes back. It's her and Joe talking sports for an hour. I think I tweeted. I'm like, man, I must have a weird love and trust of Joe to sit there and hear another grown man. Just scream at your wife and all I did was kind of laugh and told her I'm like, listen, I was like, one of the things I tell my wife is like, she loves sports, but she's not a naturally built arguer, so I'm like, be prepared if you go halfway with Joe. Not even. Yeah. You could say something you didn't want to say. Exactly. So I recommend it. No, he will. You don't even mean what you say. You don't even want to say that. And you just fucking say it because you're going to win by any means necessary at that point. But that, by the way, that's why if I have my ultimate goal with Joe, if Joe wasn't an annoying piece of shit, no disrespect, he's not called worse than this. Of course, he would do this for fun and he would do a radio show for his job. He's that good. Joe's that good. And you know what, here's another thing that makes Joe such a fucking dick wad is I called him within the, I hadn't even done a show yet at ESPN. And they were like, hey, do you know anyone else? You know who you might be good to work with maybe. And I know they were thinking maybe someone who's not white, like I could, I could get the sense. I mean, they definitely, we still need more, a more diverse lineup over there. And I called Joe and I'm like, yo, any chance you would want to just do a random radio show with me. He was basically like, I need you to tell me exactly when it would be consistently what time late enough in the, I'm like, he wasn't asshole at all. He was totally cool about it. He was transparent, but I was like, forget it. I'm too hungry for the job. I'm too hungry to, you know, it's before him. If I have, right. Like I was ready. Not for him. Let's be real. I put it in nine years. Okay. Be here at nine AM. Yeah. I would have been there. Joe's not going to do that. So I do think Joe has incredible potential like you want to know where I really see Joe going? Ready for it? I'm going to put this out in the world right now. Whenever the time comes, and I'm not rushing it because he's fantastic, but whenever the time comes that sway is ready to be like, I've done the morning show long enough. I think Joe as the morning host of shade 45 would be fucking awesome. And it's a reasonable time. It is. He's not like a five AM. Oh my God. He is. That was always super easy. It's eight to noon, I think. Yeah, yeah. Somewhere in there. Which is much more. I used to bring artists up there. That shit was so much easier than fucking. Hot. Yeah. That's a huge pain in the ass. We have to get guests as if we're on at that time. Trying to get French up for hot was tough, but trying to forget getting them up for shade 45. No. Hey, we'll be there by 11. Yeah. That's doable. So I don't think Sway should be in any rush. He's still, I mean, honestly, he might be the biggest he's ever been. He's doing a great job. Yeah. But, you know, he's always every, every five to 10 years, it seems like Sway makes a different move and he'll feast fucking hanging out at the White House and covering the MTV awards still. So if at some point he decided he had enough of that gig, I think Joe would be an incredible morning host. They've had him fill in a few times for maybe this whole school, but we could just take over. How do you do what he filled in? Great. Yeah, he did really good. I was with him when we were watching. I mean, he did that on a summer morning show for a year. Tracy talks about that, by the way, on the podcast. Sorry. Another cheap plug. I think Joe has, for any of those who think that there's any actual animosity, I love Joe. And I think he's incredible. And I hope that moving forward, that's what I want to talk to Rory about off the air is like how I can actually be involved. I don't want to like completely let go and not be a part of this because I feel a part of it. And I don't really care that much about the finances, although if you guys started getting fucking rich and I probably would get tight about it, let's keep it real. If you were to take a percentage, it would not be a lot right now. Well, believe me, it's my guy who does the sales. I know it's the same sales I'm doing for hot for one actually and it's not. You know, listen, it's not groundbreaking money, but it's. It's so shit. It's fucking hell. I love it. It's a bonus. Shit. Yes. I mean, listen, for Marissa, it's like she's a millionaire. Exactly. Yeah. Hello. Anyways, I'm glad that things are going. And the live show money is fucking lit. How was that live show money? It was good. Yeah. It was okay. Thank you below. Okay. Thank you. Well, I know how to budget well. So to me, it was a lot. I did a lot with that money. Let me try to call Joe. I know he's traveling right now. Okay. So he may not pick up. We need to talk to him. I just want to hear him. He's running out of voice. When we say Rosenberg is the guest. Yeah. Oh, he doesn't even know? No. Oh, that's right. We didn't. I'm annoyed with Joe right now. And say filling in. We didn't put it in our group chat, neither. You were texting me separately. No. Joe, I've been irritated. He's probably made me feel really bad. He probably won't pick up. He's traveling. We can call Tidal's sign, he'll pick up. Just kidding. We'll call. It's been forwarded to an automatic. When we play game, let's call someone. Do you want to play that game? Yeah. I don't have anyone to call though. Oh, oh, the call. Someone in your phone. Oh, we can call the guy for me. I'll save you. Do that. You want any more? You won't answer. You won't. It's over. I won't do it at all. It is quiet for you. No, actually they text me since then. Both of them. Both of them. A and B? Yeah. Yeah. A and B, yeah. They both reach out to you. Yep. Alright. Well, I think we're... Is there anyone worthwhile for me to call? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know your... Call Kendrick. No. I'm not wasting that for your vodka. I know it. I know it. I mean, it's our vodka. Some fucking producer. Full circle. Where the fuck is this thing I need? Call... Call Wall-A. Oh, call Wall-A. To confront Morissa. Yeah. I'm deadly serious. I love Wall-A. He might get mad. He might get mad, though. Who cares? He's my friend. I like Wall-A. So, he'll be alright. I like you. I like Wall-A. Do you guys still have it made up? No. Fuck that motherfucker. That's not going to help. Saturation. Can you not do that if we do this? No, I think I would be a civil. No pun intended. Full... No, I don't want to blindside him. Yeah, yeah. If you talked him in... Listen, I love Wall-A. He's a sensitive guy. He doesn't even remember the exchange because... I know. If I blindside him and... I did explain it. He'd be like, "Why the fuck are you calling me?" He'd think I was calling to talk about wrestling. Yeah. And then I'd be like, "Do you want to be with this bitch?" Hey, remember that white bitch? She's here right now. What you got to say to me, bruh? That wouldn't go over very well at all. It'd be great radio. You know, it'd be compelling stuff. Actually, I think I have his number. I'll just call him. Wall-A and Joe are cool, right? Yeah. Absolutely. They saw each other last week. Why? He needs to come in. He totally needs to come in. Well, no. The moddy thing has probably been the reason why he has it. Oh. He doesn't even know him on this part? Well, no, we haven't asked him, but that would be the reason why we wouldn't. I would love for that. You know what I don't-- I just don't know how-- I don't like beef and fighting with people. I wouldn't be a dick. What's beef? If Wall-A was aware of who you were with the tweet, he could be aware of the podcast as well. So if he would see that, he'd be like, "Fuck no." That's just what I was thinking. Well, I double-dogged her. You'd come on, Wall-A. Double-dog-dare. I'm sure he's terrified of me from wrestling. No, but I would have a civil conversation and maybe even get down to the... Maybe even get down, maybe even get down. Yeah. Get down with the get down? I don't know what that means. By the way, hold on. You know what I have one more thing to talk shit about, Joe? About. Okay. Well, you just keep on. Correct me if I'm wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong. Okay. Did you see Monday night, which was a big wrestling night, because Shane McMahon came back to WWE? Oh, my-- he came back? Okay, we're not gonna do this. We're not gonna do this. We're not gonna do this. Here comes the money. I'm not going to. Actually, let me know. Let me stop. I was being facetious. And I don't want to get killed by all the wrestling fans. Hold on. Hold your thoughts. I just want to say this before I forget it. A, we can't forget to pick our sleeper song by the way you're gonna have to pick one, too. Oh, yeah. That's a great segment. And then B, let's call Amber when you're done with this. That could be personal call. No, I love Amber, but don't we have to wrap up here? Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter. What did you want to say about Joe? Thank you. Was it out of nowhere to me that Joe just randomly was like, "Oh shit, Shane McMahon's back?" He just did what I just did. He was being facetious and making fun of all you guys that are going ecstatic for this. Was this the last night because all I saw was my fucking favorite timeline. You didn't get the podcast? No, no. I didn't see the Twitter. I'm sure he was... I mean, but it's Joe's Twitter. I know. I, for some reason... You love wrestling so much that you saw a past Joe who's sarcastic every tweet. Yes, exactly. It could be serious. And I was like, "Oh, no, I actually quoted." I went, "Oh, here he comes with the word." I was like, "Joe's trying to get into wrestling late. Look at you. Here you come." Oh, you're right. I'm an asshole. You are an idiot. By the way, shout out to our friend, Tivan, who we mentioned. He was amazing art and gear. Mr. Samson.com. Mr. S-A-M-P-S-O-N.com. I co-signed the plug. Amber's going to be in Atlantic City this weekend. I heard. Are you going to hover over her? I'm going to go with her. On there. What did she say to poor Rev Run and Tyrese who are just trying to help the young black youth? Get the fuck out of here. I don't know what happened. She went on their show. I didn't hear. I'm just being a dick. Oh, they were basically saying, "Oh, what women should dress for how they want to be addressed?" And then Amber was like, "Bruh, no. Fucking no means no. I don't give a fuck if I'm lame, butt-ass naked next to you and you've got a condom on. If I tell you no, you can't fucking try to penetrate me, don't grab my ass when I walk by. Don't do that shit." But they didn't argue that, did they? No, at first they did. The fucking Rev Run. Fucking at first was like, "No." She caught mad, please, on Twitter too. I didn't see what the conversation was about. You were fucking daughters that dressed sexy, bro. Yeah. By the way, real quick. Sorry. What? Can you do me a favor, Marissa? What? You don't feed these stories to Laura. I don't. Oh, I don't. Well, no one tells me to. Should I? I'm telling you right now. Okay. Laura does a great job, but she has her hands full. She has lots of other shit to do in dealing with Ebro. And naturally, gossip is not... I don't know if you guys know those about Laura Stiles. What makes Laura Stiles an amazing radio personality is that she's completely honest and hilarious. So I'll get on the air and just talk shit to her and she'll say anything about her life. She'll say, "I'm feeling fat. I need a boyfriend." She'll say anything. Yeah. Gossip is not... She's not a fucking gossip whore. Not that you are. Yeah. I'm a little bit of a guy. Exactly. Yeah. So yes, I didn't even hear about that story. Yeah. I would love to have talked about that. Well, it's on life is tremendous. I don't know. Well, then I'll tell Laura to start going to life is tremendous every day. Well, Amber is correct. If you are laying ass naked next to me on the bed. Nope. No. I should not have no right to penetrate you, but that's kind of a dick move. [laughter] Kind of an asshole. [laughter] I did that with the blender. Like you're a dick. I agree. Because if you're comfortable... Listen. Of course, we are both being clear. You don't have a right to do shit. No. Not at all. But you had to be an asshole. You're a fucking... No, you're honestly the asshole because you probably just talked your way out of the pussy in that exact moment. So you're the fucking dumb ass because I was about to fuck you and you just fucked up. Yeah, that is a great point. Well, the way she's ass naked and you can't fuck her, that means you really did something rippug at the last minute. Yeah. Because we like sex. No, because there are a lot of girls who will fuck around with you and they'll like hug and kiss and blah, blah, blah and won't let it go further than that. But if you get them... Hence, person B and L.A. But if you get them ass naked after flying them out, then it should go there. And if not, you are probably the asshole. Yeah. Hence, person A. And that's person A? [laughter] Full circle, guys. Well, circle. What's the game you have to do? I'm going to get Mexican food. Oh, can I come? No. I'm hungry. Who are you going with? I mean, if you really want to come... I really do want to come. My wife and my brother. Oh my God, yay! You know what? I don't really have bombing time. I feel like you're going to ruin it. I'm not going to be annoying. I don't know. Peter, Peter, guess what? I don't want to come. So, I'm confident that you wouldn't. Did we not have fun every night in L.A.? I always have fun with you. Nick, aren't I always fun? Nick is not paying attention. He's not. Anyways. We have two segments. We have two segments that we added. One while Maddy was gone with a friend of one Epstein, Billie June, he explained how he lost his virginity. Okay. Billie June. Something tells me you're losing your virginity story is not as great. No. Mine's using... He seemed like it was like we'd been together since eighth grade. It was in ninth grade. I was 14. It was the end of the year. It was my girlfriend who was so hot at the time. She was crushing it. And she was about to move. She left the country. And the night before she moved. And she laid next to you naked. And she let me penetrate. All right. It's unembarrassing. Yeah. Not good to episode two of our "How You Lost Originally." But... No, it's okay. Other people will deliver. I happen to be a pimp at 14. Yeah. I lost mine at 14 as well. But I'm going to save that. Oh, it's a debacle. Oh, my God. It's horrible. Okay. So what's the other question? Mine wasn't a cool situation at all. Right. And Joe was just hilarious too. So I can't wait for Joe to tell his. The other segment is "A Sleeper Song," which I love. A song that our audience typically would not know. It's kind of like a top 5 at 5 or whatever we call it. But it's historical or right now? Anytime. Anything. Literally anything. I mean, any genre. Anything. Anything. Any genre. That you want to put people on too. Jay Dilisong. No, no, no. I'm trying to decide how weird do you want me to go, like not remotely hip hop and something I love? Whatever you want. Or... Whatever you want. I'll give you two. Okay. It's all how this game works. If you want a current song that will never get out of your head again after the first time you listened to it, kidding, DJ Khaled's, DJ Khaled's artist Kent Jones. I didn't know this guy existed. Never heard of him. You never heard of Kent Jones? No. I don't know. Mike Jones. Who? Oh no. Thank you. The Kent Jones song. Oh never mind. I thought you were talking about Nick Grant. Nick Grant. Nick Grant's so too. So I was watching BT Jams last night. This isn't my pick. Nick Grant The Jungle is a great, great fucking record. Nick Grant. I had to shazam it because they wouldn't show the fucking... Shout out to Nick Grant. He's very talented. Title on the video. But okay. So yeah, check out the Kent Jones record though. It's really good. What's the title of it? Can you look? I think it's like don't think or think. I forget. It's really... You can't. It's the first day I come. Records you don't even know. I know. I forget names of songs these days. But great random song that I love and will love forever and ever. Let's go with Paul Simon. Okay. Hearts and bones. I like it. Love song. It's a song about breaking up. It's about a married couple. It's about him actually and Carrie Fisher from Return of the Jedi. You know Carrie Fisher? Princess Leia, dude. Oh yeah. I know her. They're break up when they got divorced and it's like the story of them like traveling together and having these like fights that you can tell they've been having for like 10 years or five years right before they break up. And it's fucking amazing. He writes songs that I don't understand where you're how you can tap into your creativity like that. And that's one of them. And then she tried to kill John Belushi and the story was over. Exactly. Did you find the Kent Jones record? I didn't. Come on man. I don't want to disrespect it. Get Jones. How did the melody go? Early economy. My pick from two weeks ago was Nef the Farrows Michael Jackson which Pete actually then played on. Really? Got to tell you. I liked it. I went back and listened to it. I got to tell you I'm a big fan of that song. Don't mind Kent Jones. Do you want to hear it for a second? Is that how this works? We could go back to what we were just talking about though. I love the Nef the Farrow E40 song also. Thanks. I'll say that. And in closing. Where's the thing? Well we don't play the record. Why not? We don't want SoundCloud to pull anything. They won't pull it this late. I would love to add a little segment of playing it. I play it. Alright so let's do that then. That's not it. Because if we could play it at the end. No. Here's the one for this week. Do I have this song? I'm stealing it. I'm stealing it. We don't need to play your Nef the Farrow. I'm going to play my fucking pick Dickweed. Oh. We all do a pick? Yeah. No not just you. Oh la la. It's lit. It's so catchy. Listen. Just don't even fun on how catchy it is. And he's actually pretty dope rapper too. All right good luck getting that out of your head. It's a dope dope song. By the way this wire is kind of fucked up so I wouldn't recommend playing music. Oh I'm going to play mine anyway. But it sounded really terrible. It doesn't matter. What am I going to just put my next to the thing? Mine is Ratchetty because it's actually called Ratchet. Okay of course it is. And it's Machine Gun Kelly featuring his whole crew which is Dubbo, Ray Junior, Tezo and Pugetta. What a surprise pick from Marissa Mendes. Wait do you really just... What? Who are you playing? MGK. MGK. Come on dude. I love MGK. It is one of my top... On iTunes it's one of my top 25 most played songs of all time and I've had iTunes since 2005. So that's how good this record is in my opinion. Okay go ahead. It's a bit vulgar. It's really nice though. Beautiful. Yeah it's nice. Like the song your mom would have it was nice. Geez. Drop down on your knees. Oh my God. And then of course it's like I need a Ratchet bitch. I want a Ratchet bitch. It's pretty great. That is really touching. So surprised. I like that song. I did like the record though. Cleveland. All right guys I gotta go. Are you playing your song too? Yeah well I was gonna do some Ratchet shit but for some reason you guys went Ratchet back to that new money. No my wasn't Ratchet it was commercial though. Well I'm two for two with the fans on neo soul so I guess I'll just do three neo souls. I did Jesse Boykins come to my room and then I did Foreign Exchange Daykeeper last week. Wow look at you diverse. I'm a neo soul guy. This record a lot of you should know but I feel like a lot of you don't let us see in the morning. No bitches no suckin dick. Well then where's the fun. Who's this by? Let us see. They're into like lettuce. Yes. It's like lettuce with a Y. Let us see a spray. Marty it's not amused. By the way you ain't fuckin' playing about your interest in neo soul. Yeah and I'm a huge neo soul guy. I know but this is like I feel like I'm back on WPGC in 1998. All right. Marty is not. Rory is so black. Rory is blacker than me. I give him credit. He's listening to new neo soul. Is this new neo soul? But is he blacker than. 2007. Okay. Mid-range. Yeah I don't know. I couldn't. Well I don't know if we consider B.J. as a Chicago kid neo soul. I don't. No it's just like good dope R&B. That's a great album I think I should go out and buy it at. It's really really good. And resume I think is the best R&B song. I know it came out at the end of last year but I still count it as a 2016. I think it's the best R&B song of 2016. All right guys I'm starving goodbye. Okay. Yeah. Get your last word in. I don't have it. What do you have? I don't. Do you really want to come to dinner? I really do. All right come on. Wait she's my ride home. Oh that's right. Make up your mind. Maybe I just got to tackle that. No I can't even. Decide in the next five minutes. Okay bye.