The Joe Budden Podcast
I'll Name This Podcast Later Episode 48
The trio sits down to discuss the Golden Globes (not really), per last episode, debate Bryson Tiller vs Tory Lanez (sort of), and El Chapo & BBOD (kinda). We are doing a LIVE podcast at SOB's in New York City on February 2nd, tickets are available at www.sobs.com Shave smarter and go to www.getbevel.com use promo code "JOE" to get 20% off your first month.
This episode is brought to you by Bevel, the first and only shaving system designed specifically for coarse curly hair and sensitive skin. Start shaving smarter and say goodbye to razor bumps with Bevel. Check out GetBevel.com today. Use code Joe. Thanks, Rory. Use code Joe to get 20% off your first month at GetBevel.com. That's G-E-T-B-E-V-E-L. GetBevel.com. I love you. I love it. Can we keep rolling? Yeah. Can we keep going? We can. David, we roll it. Hey, we are back up in this bitch. Hey. Into your all right. Huh? You didn't do your all right. Oh, I was trying to practice a hate now. Oh, we didn't like hate now. Hey. Yeah. No. It's kind of kind of pervy. No. Well, fuck you, Marissa. Okay, so we're going to get an all right or? It's so much pressure, because my last two already haven't been good. Okay. Oh, yeah. We're back, baby. Oh, we're back. That was pretty good. No, no, no. We're back. So I walk in the door. I'll name this podcast later, episode number 48 or 49. Sure. 47. No, we passed 47. It's either 48 or 49. Uh, uh, I have, uh, Marty, the body with me. Hello, Marty, the body. AKA, Mottie Monroe, AKA, uh, retweeter of all. Literally. Mottie will retweet anything. It's my at name. We are with Blink in the tweet. She's battling Elliot Wilson for the top spot. Yeah, like, you are. You counted down something that. Yeah, earlier today, somebody, somebody tweeted me. They tweeted me and you, they added us both. And then I hate when it happens, because I never want to be included in what's to come, what follows that. But anyway, they tweeted us and sure enough, I did a countdown on my head. I said, how long till Marty retweets this? 10, 9. I got to six, my nigga. And you was right there. Why do you do that? I just want to show everyone in love without having to reply. No, but you retweet the people that you're speaking bad about too. Yeah, just to show that I'm not afraid to fake my haters. So you want to show everyone love, but you want to show everyone you're not afraid to face your. Face the screen. You're a haters. Yep. All right. All right. All right. All right, baby. All right. We got it. All right. And we have Michael Roar's here. There you go. I feel like we had another nickname for you that we invented. It's fun. That's what's going on. What are you going to get? But what was it? Rory had a failed attempt. No, that was the last year. So last year. I'm so 2016. I'm going to tell you the first seven months of the new year. I'm that guy. Oh, God. Oh, I'm that so last year. The new me. I'm not even on that. The new me. I do. I'm just in a stay home. I'm into all of that. So I'll think of that nickname, Rory. I don't need your help. I wasn't going to give you any of that. I don't think you're going to give any at all. Damn it. It was good. Oh, Rory had a failed attempt at trying to nickname me. What was your bum ass name from last week? Sass Magas. Oh, yeah. That's your last. That's your last. That's how we noted it. Sass Magas has been fun. That's how we know your nicknames is mad whack. Because it was funny. And then we never heard it from it again. It was for the context. Sass. Ever. Sass. You were just being sassy that day. Sasties. So where do we want to start today? I think we should definitely talk about how we announced our first live podcast and make that a thing. Make sure everyone knows. It's going down SOVs February 2nd. Tickets are available now at SOVs.com. Pretty much covered it. Yep. That's it. All right. Well, we've got a few. If you like this podcast and are in the New York, Connecticut, Jersey, Pennsylvania area, come out and support us. Tickets are only $15. We did that just for y'all. Isn't really a money grab. It's for you guys. And what do we charge them for? Right. The venue. I never understand what people would say that. Yo, this isn't a money grab, yo. We taking all, we don't need all the money to my pockets. My, this, this nice organization called my pockets and my crib. We're not taking none of the proceeds from this. We could lie and say it's going to charity. Like 10% of it. I want to see all. I want to see all. I want to get me a new coat. I want to see all the Dabbin' Santa. Proses are going to Mottie's coat. I want to see, all right. Shut up, Mottie. I want to see all the Dabbin' Santa sweater receipts. I want to, I want to know where all the money. He's been going, going, going. Oh, knock it off, Mottie. Dance and like doing things. What does that have to do with the- Firsting their homes. He's been using the money from that to do that for them. Are you fucking kidding me? Made $3 million bought one trailer. You are the person that that works for. This nigga went to IKEA. So one trailer home for like maybe $80,000. Word went to Kentucky. Furnished the shit from fucking Jennifer Convertibles. Spint about- From Ashley Strickland. It's been seven grand from Ashley's judge. What is it, Ashley's? You know the Ashley shit. Yeah, actually let's just start saying he went to fucking clothing store. He went to Lane Bryant. Furnished the crib. It's been no money at all. And you are the person that that works for. Yo, get a camera guy. Let's film us going to that bum-ass crib. The 101. The one they let us use. The 300. Yeah, we go to that crib. We take some pictures. Do a photo op to change your great guy. Get the neighbor in the house. Yeah, get the whole neighborhood. Yo, this nigga really fucks with us out in and you leave. Then we just pocket like one point. Whatever $2 million minus $2. 97% of the proceeds. Getting a kid to cry on camera is worth like $3 million. It must have all went to him. So we're doing a live podcast at SOBs on February 2nd. I know it's February 2nd because I checked the little flyer thing there. A Roy and Marisa posted on Instagram today to find out when it was. So it's February 2nd, number one. Two, I'm still a little confused about the concept behind this, but I was confused about the concept behind the podcast. So I'm going to just play the backseat on this one. Not too much of the backseat because in Mario, I have too much of a voice and then she'll want to all score it and then we'll be listening to some fuck shit. And that will never happen with me in the car. Yeah, right. Anyway, so the Oscars. I mean, the Golden Globes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, pardon me. Yes. The Golden Globes, not the Oscars. Y'all two look like this is not... I didn't want any of that. Nope. Got nothing. I watched Leo's speech on YouTube. Yeah. Well, all right. All right. This it is. Oh my god. It's this delving to a much deeper problem here. What were you doing? Don't worry. What were you doing while the Golden Globes were on? What was it, Sunday night? So Rory doesn't even know the day it was. All right. Because I didn't watch it. So what were you doing when the Golden Globes? Can you tell me what it was? I don't have TV, so... I don't know. Laying in my bed. Might have been playing some candy crush. All right. So let me ask you two geniuses this. What did you guys want to talk about today? I mean, it's only the Golden Globes. It's only what a lot of fucking people were watching. Yeah. I watched the red carpet shit, the fashion shit. OK, did you watch it? Wait, the whole... Yes, I watched it. The host was pretty fucking controversial. He offended a bunch of fucktart, rich fucktarts. Yeah, I can't read it. Like, there was a lot going on at this year's Oscars. Fucking to Denzel. I mean, Golden Globes, I keep saying it. The Denzel tribute. Right. Like, I figured it would be shit that people, you guys, this age and that demographic would be into, all of Twitter was talking about it. You guys, this... That's our world. You're not in the... Every one. But I saw the Golden Globes. So I'm excluded from this conversation. I'm trying to figure out, if you didn't watch it, I figured the Golden Globes would be at least one of the things that you double back to to see what occurred. But y'all don't seem like... No, I just... So I'm trying to see is it me that's... Disattached from current affairs. I would have watched the Oscars, the Grammys. I've not really watched the Oscars. Yeah, I don't really like... I don't know. None of my... So year 26, 25... Yeah, you've been 25 for a long time. I know, when is your birthday? May 4th. We all went to his birthday party. That is my point. This nigga's been 25 since then. Well, yeah, that means... That would typically make sense. He was 25 before then too. What? Yes. 24. This nigga's been 25 for at least three years. How was one? May 4th. And when was that party? Goddamn, you were born in the 90s. You were born in the 90s. May 4th, 1990s. Wait, wait, wait. Why have you known this? Why aren't you still an idea? Why aren't you still like the end of a great Saturday night for your parents? In '90? That's crazy. What is your purpose? What is your purpose at that point? I was conceived in '89, if we're in a backtrack. Well, you were saying, you know, that's not... Are you at 80s, baby, and J's? No. Wait, wait, what year were you born? 87. So you really have no excuse to be this dumb? What? What do you mean? I haven't watched the Golden Globe now. I'm dumb. No, I'm not talking about it. I've been calling you dumb for 48 weeks. Yeah, you have. I'm gonna take it. Okay, so back to my original question. I'd like to know what you guys wanted to talk about today. What is somebody wearing? If we're not talking about the Golden Globes. And that's exactly why I don't tell people what I wear. I'm at the set, not the clothing. That's what I mean. Well. Because that's what women do. Women smell a scent and then they purchase it for the nigga that's fucking them. Hey, do you know he's wearing yours? I don't. I didn't really inquire or care. I mean, I just thought maybe you recognized the scent. So nobody is going to answer my question about what you guys wanted to talk about outside of. We had to debate. Yeah, so we're getting right into the debate. I don't know. We can. So nothing else happened there. Something you want to talk about, you seem very invested in the Golden Globes. Is there something you want to get off your chest about the Golden Globes? I'm here for your Golden Globes chat. You could minimize my point, however you may like. I'm not minimizing it. It's not that it's a question. It's not that I am invested in the Golden Globes. I'm invested in the ideology that to 25 and however old you are. Year old young people who do a podcast and I would consider as in the mix, as far as being in the know in terms of what's going on in the universe. And in our culture, I'm shocked that you guys didn't see it. So I'm perplexed at you guys. Not invested like this is the fucking like y'all didn't see a silent to the lambs or some shit. I've also never seen that movie. I've seen that, but I just was doing something else on a Sunday night that I wasn't rushing to my TV and thinking that we had to give us. Give us cool introduction music for our debate. I don't have time to go back and forth with people born in 1990. But you're about to right now. For the listeners. Not yes, yes, this is certainly not because I enjoy talking to Rory. Of all people. Those jokes are getting old at this point. I don't know what I can play because I don't want it to come down on SoundCloud. So listen. Almost got me. I think SoundCloud will allow us to play something cool for our debate. Like some rocky music or something. There's been a rocky marathon. There's been a rocky marathon on television, whatever channel that is. I told the kids you don't turn this shit off. This is what the fuck they've been deleting us for. When we tried to start a podcast and you turn it right back on. See, why don't I told the people born in 1990? I said rocky theme music. Not the music that got us banned. Because rocky theme music is less popular than mobbed. They'll definitely take rocky down before they take mobbed. I'm not talking about popularity. I'm talking about evidence. We have evidence that they take us down when you play that song. I'm talking about a new song where we have no evidence that they will take us down. We have to see. We have to give ourselves a shot in that short change ourselves. 1990s, 1990s, man. You're back to being a sasma guest. What's your fucking problem today? Jesus Christ. Listen, 2016. I don't know if I like 2016. I don't know. Yeah. New me. This is like a way bitchier female, Joe. That loves the Golden Globe for her. Every time I make sense, they have some retort to belittle me. I'm just making sense, guys. Oh, darn it. There's that sense again that I didn't watch the Golden Globes. Still here, we're about 30 minutes in on a podcast. And because you're doing it. It's like 10 minutes in. Hey, David, how far are we in? 15, 15 minutes. I just want to point to my point. We're 15 minutes in. And these two geniuses who did not see the Golden Globes have no alternative of anything to speak about outside of the debate that I came up with last fucking week. So on the podcast that we do every fucking Tuesday for 48, 49 weeks, we've had 15 minutes of you guys making Golden Globe jokes, which points out that you'll clearly see the problem. And you two made a good night seeing the Golden Globes. I think he wants to hear himself. Damn it. Yeah, now. Well, y'all made it a thing, so I ran with it. Okay. I enjoyed it. And here we are here. Here E. Here E. Now Rory and I have been anticipating this debate for quite some time. By some time it means seven days. Yeah, because we talked about it. We have almost had this debate several times and we've stopped ourselves. All right, we can cut the music off. And we stopped all we can do that. And we've stopped ourselves from having it, because we didn't want to hear each other's points or talk points. That's how professional we are. You hear that out there, listeners. And here we are. We have, but the people that did not listen to last week's podcast. Why the fuck you ain't listening to our shit last week? Oh, for the people that didn't listen to last week's podcast. I brought up Tory Lane's Brian. Brison. Brison, my apologies. I do know this gentleman's name. Brison, Tiller, and party next door, comparatively. And that spawned an entire debate and a lot of dialogue between me and my contemporaries, which led us to who is the better artist is our debate? Yes. Currently. That is currently our debate. Brison, Tiller versus Tory Lane's. I personally wish we had someone here to take party next door side in this, or at least argue their point. I'll try to to the best of my ability when I feel it's relevant. I asked Rory to invite a friend to the podcast, Rob Markman, along with his co-host to his podcast on here because they do an R&B podcast. Rory never got back to me. I'm assuming he wanted no knowledgeable R&B people in the room during this debate. Well, here goes Joe and his stories in passing. You said, "Hey, it'd be great to get Rob Markman and his co-host on there." I said, "Yeah, it'd be pretty good." And then we never spoke about it again. A little bit different than what you just said, but it's fine because I would have been happy to have Rob on here. See, why I don't talk to people that were born in 1990? They just, all they'd give you is a remix. He's given me a remix of what occurred. And if he's listening to his remix, he makes sense. Not in passing. We were in my fucking car sitting right next to each other taking a ride. We weren't living room. We weren't always walking to the kitchen. Is that in passing? I mean, you're in my house, in my life. Yeah, I want everybody. Yo, no, for 2016, I'm going to start making it a point to point out when people sound retarded. So y'all can call it Bitchy and Sassy McGassy. I sound really targeted. Rory sounds nuts. Retarded, right? So Rory calls in passing him sitting in my living room and one of us walking by each other and me saying to him, yo, know what would be a good idea for our podcast this week? You should call Rob Markman. You never said that part. He should get his co-host and they should come on ours. He's remixing now. Wait, wait, and they should come on our show. I just think it's a dope idea because I think for going forward, podcasters combining and doing a joint podcast is an amazing idea. What the fuck is in passing about that? Amani, we don't hear you. Amani's trying to talk to us from the other room and I don't hear. Are you ovulating with Sam? David, we still don't. David, we still don't. What is wrong with you today? Still don't hear you. Come in the room. Just come in and say what you got to say. See, now, when I start making sense, Rory and Marissa and the likes of people who were born between '88 and '91. No, I still can't because you lying right now. You're starting. They start insulting me. He did say something like that. You didn't say exactly that. Yeah, he's lying. Yes, thank you, Ian. He's lying. But your response wasn't your response either, which is why you might not. What was my response? That's what I'm saying. I don't understand. I don't understand, Rory, but that's not important. Listen, so they're not here, which is fine. Rory is taking, um, rice intelligence. Rice intelligence, right? Um, I do want to know why this debate makes more sense than like, uh, Drake versus like a Kendrick because they're two different artists and two different lanes. These two artists, we would agree make similar music and are also in the same lane, right? You would say so? I agree. Okay. So that's why I think this debate makes sense. And before we start, because I know people are very invested in their artists out there, this is a debate for fun. Yeah. We both enjoy both of these artists. Very much so. And we're just debating because we're on a podcast and we want to have fun and we're shitheads. Hopefully no one gets offended in that. If someone by chance is to get offended, this wouldn't be my first time offending someone. So with that said, where do we begin? Well, as you said, this was your idea. Um, and you seem to be in a big debate mood today. Do you want to start off? On why you think Tory Lane's. Well, let's, let's start with. What are we basing this on? Like when we say artists, what are our sliders if we were creating a player? What sliders do we have here when we say artists? Um, I would say complete involving albums. Um, I'm still putting sales in there. I'm putting tours. I'm putting appearance. Mm-hmm. The full things that make an artist that it can't just be what Joe likes. That can't be your point here. We have to have things that are tangible or this isn't going to be a debate that works. Wait, this, but I don't care how many shows Bryson Tiller does. But that is not a debate is what Joe likes because that's not a point. I'm asking the forum. I haven't, I haven't said that. I'm asking the forum is that's a viable like slider. We have to care about that when we're debating artistry. Yeah, I think performing is an artistry. I'm not talking about they fucking careers and how much money they make. I'm talking about art. Anything about money. Because it's true. Because why else would I care about how many shows he's doing? Oh, you mean his live show. Yeah. Oh, okay. I misunderstood it. I got that. Oh, that's important. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A tour. That's very important. His show. Yeah. That's what I'm suggesting. I'm just, I was talking about volume. I don't care how many of them he's doing. Oh, I mean, I mean, if that's part of your argument, cool, whatever. All right, come on. So what else? Those are my things. Is there anything you want to add? Whatever we think of, let's just go down them one by one. Let's, let's start. Who makes better music? You got it. Tori. Who fucking sings better? Yep. You got it again. Tori. Who rants better? Oh, you guessed it. Tori. There's a pretty good debate here. I do want to note that Bryce and Taylor's album came out in October. And then last week, the first week of the new year, he finally got his first top 10 album. He came in at number 10 on the Billboard. Which is going to give him more of my time. 40 since he's released, but he just got top 10 now. This week, he's number nine. So he moved up. And that's like pretty, pretty cool. That's amazing. That is really good. So back to what I'm saying here. No. No, continue on with your, with your feelings. It's not with no points. Those are my points. Wait, there's a debate there somewhere? Bryce and Taylor makes better music than Tori leans. You're basing that on what? Let's hear it. To be an actual artist, would you think creating a completely a run? Can I speak? Or are you going to make comments? What was my podcast? I am going to make jokes while you talk. Can I send you a coffee? No, Marisa. Would you think creating a full album or original music as a viable thing that an artist, a great artist should do? Okay. You said last week, "Chicks Tape 3" is your favorite project from Tori Lance. Correct? You said you liked a few songs off "Chicks Tape 2", right? Okay. That album or pardon? That mix tape is a bunch, is 11 songs, legendary songs, where he took the actual hook, didn't even re-sing it, just threw it in the middle and harmonized like Bryce and Taylor around it. Bryce and Taylor put out a actual album that has a 34 city tour right now and is selling non-stop since October. With a huge fan base, and you have a mix tape that is a bunch of other people's music as your way of saying he's a better artist. This is why I'm a little confused. I don't think that you said anything that supports artistry. Making an original album is artistry. Putting ushered, you got it bad in the middle of your record and singing around it is not artistry. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't have to insult my point, I'm just trying to understand yours at the moment. Okay. He did an album. That's a successful one. He's did an album and it was successful when he's touring. What the fuck does that have to do with artistry? To create a great album that has been peeping. No, listen, I have his team handled his project and however, whoever is behind him pushed his project and all the great success that he's enjoying is well deserved. He did put out an album that people love. It's extremely well received. We got all that. What the fuck do they have to do with artistry is my point. Making an original great album. All of us make original music. Some is wack, some is dope. Mottie Monroe makes some shit. You keep saying that like we're like we're to give credence to hey, he made an original album. We have a great original album. We make original album. All Tory Lane's trick is to take a popular song "Flip It" and sing around it. While people wait for him to stop doing the verse and go right to the hook. Okay, I'm you're still attacking my point while I'm still trying to understand yours. So now that we got all the touring and the shows and all the great things that are that's happening for Bryson Tiller's career out of the way, let's get back to the actual album, which is at the core of your point, right? Okay. Are you telling me that that album is great? As in comparison. I'm asking you a very direct question. Are you telling me that the Bryson Tiller album is great? The one with all the way. Let me finish. It has my question. The one with all the accolades that you just spoke about that I had to spend so long fucking replying to and rebutting to that album. That's the one you're saying is great. I said it's a good album. Good successful album. A complete album. Okay, I'm going to say this again. The Bryson Tiller album is successful. It's a good album. What does that add? There's nothing to do with my point here. It's a good album. I need you. I'm answering your question correctly. All right. So this is my new reply. I need you to stop wavering between saying great in one part of your argument and then saying good when it's asked directly. One thing we're talking about. Tell me what the album is. So I know how to refer to it during the rest of our argument. The music is good. Good. And better than Tory Lanez. Adding that to it as well. Pull up the track list for um. Um, trap soul. I'm not sure how long Rory has listened to Tory Lanez or how familiar he is with Tory Lanez. But I'm not even talking about Tory Lanez at the moment. I'm talking about Bryson Tiller. I have lived with. I'd be happy to talk about Tory Lanez. I don't know if people are familiar with my background in R&B, but I have one. Um, I'd like to think I know a little bit more about R&B than probably your prototypical rapper. Um, so I've lived with this album for quite some time. So I'm not casually speaking about it when I speak about it. So you have this album up. I have track one is. Intro difference. How do you feel about it? Good. Good intro to start out. Track two. Uh, let them know. Like, let them know a lot. Track three. Exchange. Phenomenal record. Track four. Uh, forever. How long? I like it. Don't. Really great record. Open interlude. Really like it. So we're at six and I have how many interludes three. You have two if you if you count the intro as an interlude. You have one. Okay, let me see. Open interlude is the only one. I don't count the intro as an intro. One minute. 32 seconds. An intro is not an interlude. It's an intro. Okay. So I'm at track six and I have three songs, right? You're not open is. Am I? Stop me when I'm saying something wrong. No one. What are you looking around at? No one's saying your role. Open is two minutes and 42 seconds. What? Say. Speak. You just looking around. Because I'm asking the same question and I don't understand what you're saying. So we're at track six and we have three joints that are not actual songs. I know it doesn't sound great what I'm saying, but it's a fact. The intro difference. I'm not. Yeah. It's not an actual song. Let them know is exchange is for have along is not don't is open interlude is not. So let's go. So let's go from there. Track seven, 10, 9, 14. Tell me about this song. I like it. It's a record of him talking about coming up not on the typical love sheet that he was talking about before. It's a up and coming record from my artist in the beginning. Talks about his baby mother having to work my jobs traveling. Since I told her living. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh yeah, because it's a great record. All right. That's fine. Oh, no, no, I'm just not going to reply until we're done with the track list. The sequence is next track eight. Okay. I like it. When you can start, you can just say him. I like every record on this album. This is one took me a little while to work to. This is the sequence. I just want to make sure that we know what we're talking about here. Okay. Track nine is Rambo. How do you feel about it? Rambo took me a little bit. Maybe sometimes. More up to him rapping. I don't mind it. I think it serves a good purpose on the album though. 502 come up. Cool. Wouldn't crazy about that one. Sorry, not. Sorry, not. Sorry, track 11. Great record. Ooh, it sounds like a great good brother. What are we going right now? I'll spot it fine. All right, been that way. How you feel? Love been that way. I like been that way too. Overtime. How I want to go for it. But you never tell me how you feel about it. Right, my wrong. How you feel? All right, so I'm going to get right to the point here. I don't think this album is as good as everyone else does. Okay. I hate to be the one person on this train. But I've been one person on a train before, right? So so let's something just happen. And I don't hear myself anymore. So I can hear you can hear me. All right, so I just keep talking anyway. I don't know what happened over here. Let him come figure it out. Uh, track one intro to difference. I won't even talk about it. It's an intro. All right, did we go something good happened? Uh, let them know. Cool. I think you're being very generous in terms of rating these tracks. Uh, exchange, love it forever long. Love it should be longer. Don't is don't. None of you say it open and lewd. I love it should be longer. After that, my nigga. You're not telling me you're getting your car in Russian to play 1014. You're not doing it. The sequence is cool, but it sounds like whatever I liked from previous. The secret sounds like whatever I liked before I got to this point in my album. Well, why I think 10- Rambo. I'm not rushing to it either. Go ahead. And you and you. Tell me a little one. You might want to warm up to different. No, Rambo. I was 1014. Nah, 502 come up dog. I might have deleted this song from my album. I might have. I said, yeah. I might have deleted that one. I deleted a couple of them. Sorry, not sorry. I'm not on the same wave as Rory. Ben that way is amazing. Over time, I write my roles up. Come on. Really? Nah. I'm not rolling. But this is what. So this is all you're basing this kid's artistry on, because this is the only body of work we have to go on from him. Oh, didn't my argument gets even stronger then? All right. Wonderful. Okay. With that said. So wait, so that's not even fair, Rory. And that's not fair. Now I feel bad. We shouldn't even be having this debate. And we can continue that. This kid is one project in. Okay, Tori Laynes has 11 projects. You like one. And it's a bunch of remixes. This is an actual album. It takes way more artistry to create a real album than a fucking remix. Chicks tape three. Ty Dolla fight has a lot of albums. Rory, this kid has one album, man. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. How many albums does Tori Laynes have? I'm not doing that. How many albums does Tori Laynes have? The kid Brice Brice and Tiller has one project available. That is far better than 11 of Tori Laynes. Yeah, but we can't have this debate the way that we should have it. That's not, that's not, that's not fair. So how can you, how can you say out of 11 Tori Laynes projects? You like one and it's a remix project. How is that artistry? Okay, this is my point since you, since you want to have it. We're talking about the artistry of these two gentlemen. We don't need to talk about the sound of music that they make, because they both fall from the Drake umbrella. They both come from the Drake subgenre of music. We can agree to that, yes? Can I backtrack on one thing you just said? Just because I'm confused. I'm listening. So we can't talk about anything that's tangible with what they've accomplished in their careers. And now you're saying we can't talk about the music they make? So what the fuck are we talking about? When did I say that we can't talk about it? That's what I'm, I sounded like you just said. No, no, no, I never said that. All right, can you reiterate your point? Because I didn't get, that's what it sounded like you just said. My point, my point is it's, it's pointless for, for either one of us to attack the artistry of the other in terms of pure art, because they both fall from the Drake umbrella. I'm talking about how they do it. Where I think you got grasped to Tory Lane's more is, like you said, you're an R&B head, and that is full of classic R&B records that you already know and love and heard them revamped to today's sound. All right, but that's incorrect. That's all that chicks, I like it. But that's all that is. There's not, there's not that much artistry. Yeah, I love Usher's artistry too. So of course, I'm going to, I'm going to like this. Because Tory Lane's is talented, but not that talented. Well, well, I totally disagree with that. To Usher, to Usher. No, no, no, no. Okay. All right, what I'm, what I'm, what I'm saying, this is what I'm saying. Tory Lane's number one flips some songs that I don't like. So he didn't just go get a bunch of my favorite fucking songs and flip them, because he flips them songs that I can't fucking stand either. That's number one. Number two, I'm not about to discredit what he has done because of what he has done. Well, I keep talking about that. Like you're the second person. You and Johnny together now, that's, that's two of y'all. It ain't so easy to go snatch a song that everybody likes. Actually, it's more, it's more difficult to go snatch a song that everybody likes and flip it and redo it and then get everybody to like it again. I think it's much harder. That's much more difficult. I think it's much harder to create an original successful album than it is to take 11 famous loops and just throw them in the middle of your song and then sing like Bryce and Tiller. Well, number one, let's be, let's be very clear. Tory Lane sings much better than Bryce and Tiller. Tory Lane's I will repeat sings much better than Bryce and Tiller. Now, now where? Tory Lane's I will repeat because I want you to answer to it. Tiller sings way better than Bryce and Tiller. And I'm not calling either one of them. Great singers. Great singers. Yeah. By the way. That wasn't going to. Okay. But so, yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. One sings a lot better than the singer. I'm not going to say that. Also, why not? I've seen Bryce and Tiller perform live. He sounds very, very similar to what he sounds like on that album. There's, I can even find footage of Tory. It works so cute. All right, go ahead. Of Tory performing. And I think that's a huge part of artistry. So what are you saying? You can find footage of Tory performing. I'm speaking to who's a better singer. See, this is why there's this point with anyway, because you hard hit it too. I don't even see how that's our argument or debate, which one I'm talking about when you turn the fucking song on, who sounds better? Who is a better engineer? I don't give a fuck what you want to call it. Who has a better engineer? Yeah. Yeah, who has a better engineer? Both of them niggas is relying on the fucking engineer anyway. So yeah, who has the better engineer? I prefer Bryce and his voice over to her. All right, John, who raps better? Now, I don't know if it's fair for me to answer this, because the only time I really heard Tory rap was on the, was I missed back that ass up shit on chick state three. And he sounded, not to say that Bryson doesn't sound like Drake when he raps, but Tory Lane sounds exactly like Drake. The flow is fucking identical, at least when Taylor tries to rap, it don't really sound like Drake's flow at all. I very, I very rap from Tory Lane's don't sound like Drake. I said, I'm not sure if I can accurately say this, because I only heard the chick state three. Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And the stuff I heard him rapping on chick state three literally was mimicking a Drake. It ain't really much rapping on chick state three. And it is, and it is mimicking a Drake flow. Well, chick state three is mimicking Drake. It's all mimicking Drake. I've been saying this for fucking years. There's a whole sub-genre music that comes from, that stems from Drake. Party, I would include in that, rightfully so, right? The weekend I put under that, I put in that umbrella. I put Tory Lane's in that umbrella. I put fucking Bryson Tiller in that umbrella. Who else I put in that umbrella? I put Marjid Jordan in that fucking umbrella. What's the other guy's name? Fucking Roy Ron Roy. Damn it, I don't remember. But he's in that umbrella too. Roy Woods, Roy Woods, he's in that umbrella. Oh, and then you got motherfucking, I could do like a whole 360 degree family tree from all that has come from Drake. And you know what, that's why I'd said I didn't want to have this to be in the first place once we started having it. Because, well, your point, your only point you had was that you liked it better. I was trying to bring tangible things to the table and you knew that. No, I can't, no, I can't, I can't, I can't argue either. I can't argue careers. You don't think accomplishments are a part of careers as an artist though? Roy, both of their careers started yesterday. And one is towering over the other. Soul? And they're making the same music. So obviously one is a bit better to most people. Troy Lane doesn't have an album out. He has a very successful single. So I don't know why you keep, they both started yesterday. So why do you keep talking about one further along in this process? Actually, Troy's been out longer than Tila. Troy's single is out now. His situation is now. When he has a project coming, they both started yesterday. I can't compare their careers. Okay, and I'm saying as of today, what's tangible and what's not? Bryson Tiller has a successful album. It's not easy to just make a fucking album that's good, that is receptive to people. All we have that's tangible from Tori in the time that you're saying is now. Is a fucking 11 tracks of records we've already heard that he just flipped. Well, that's not true. That's all we have. That's not true because he has a successful single that you can look up the numbers. It's working. Yeah. Bryson Tiller is a successful album. Did you put the numbers up? No, no, no, but we're not talking about that. We established that part. We're talking about Tori. Well, you said it has nothing more than an 11 track CD, which is not true. Because on that same day, you put out another CD. Two of them, two, back to back, rapping, singing. He is, uh, he is, I like some of the stuff on it. Okay. What's your point? That's not to do with nothing. I'm asking. Is your point keeps coming back to the budget? No, no, no, no. So I'm asking if you like it. My point is you're not dumb enough to not know where he is in his process. You know where he is when you have a single out working. You know where he is when he's putting two mixed takes out. It's a bit easy in the future. I don't, I've never met Tori Lanes in my life and I can tell you he's somewhere finishing an album right now. Like, so, so my point is you know these things as well. Was the point not today? I'm going off what's tangible today. This could change. Tori Lanes could be about a fucking classic next week, but we're talking about today. And what's tangible now? See, so that's my point. So you wanted to niggas whose argument changes depending on the context of time. Mines is not if Tori Lanes comes out tomorrow and sells 20 million records. Now you're changing the debate. No, I'm talking about today. Yeah, but you said that could change tomorrow. Of course it could. Why if Tori Lanes comes out tomorrow and sells 20 million records, I'm going to refer back to my argument in this debate, which is that's well deserved because he's the better artist. Oh, artist. The debate was not. He does the artist's stuff better. Now I'm not saying that he'll have a better career in Bryson till it. I don't know about nobody behind Tori Lanes. I just know that from what I am hearing, sonically when I talk about song making, rapping, singing, sounding like Drake, having the engineer put the shit on your voice to sound nice. All of that shit that they both do. I like it from one more. Since we're talking about something that we don't. And believe don't ask me because I love Bryson Tiller as well. Can I ask you a question? From what they both have shown us. I don't want to be the guy that's dissing two new artists and granting any one of the opportunities. Listen, check both of these gentlemen out and listen to them. I don't want to be the guy that's deterring his oil. Audience and listeners from listening to good music. They both make good music. Please do not misconstrue this argument and debate. Okay. Since we're talking about things that may happen. Let's take out the great album sales that Bryson Tiller has had. The amazing tour that he's put on. Let's talk about if Tori Lanes puts out an album tomorrow with no features. Because Bryson Tiller's album is that good with not one feature as a new artist. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no it's not. Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that. You're talking to me. So while yeah, he had no features on his album that we could see. He had every artist in the universe on his fucking side. It was a whole two week stretch where I didn't wake up. Seeing Trey Song telling me about Bryson Tiller. Seeing Chris Brown tell me about fucking Bryson Tiller. That's Omarion, he had the whole R&B universe on his side. Don't not talking about, he came out and did it by himself. No feature, he's talking about it. Back to your original point, we're talking about the music. On his music, there's no features. I'm not talking about cosigns. I said get the album sales added, get the hype. Is Tori Lanes, if he puts out an album tomorrow, making a good, if not equal album to trap soul with no features and no flipping fucking amazing records from the past. I hope not, I want to hear him flip records from the past. He's going to do a full album. They're going to clear all that shit. They got enough money to do. Oh no, they're not going to do that. He's never sold anything without doing that. No, he has a bunch of music without doing that. Sold anything? Because that say it is just a Brownstone record remixed. That's all it is. Everyone waits for their fucking hook because it sounds great, but Brownstone looks at you. Boy, you sound like Johnny. So, you didn't think of it. You didn't go grab the Brownstone hook. I'm not part of the artist. I'm talking about it. That's a horrible point. Nobody did it. Nobody did it. The Brownstone song came out when? What year? Ninety what? Six, five, it was between 94 and 96. No one has done it in 20 years. I'm not about to say it. Because he's taking the own fucking music. Well, clearly the Brownstone sample is a hit. Hell yeah. Clearly it's a hit. It's working for the kid. It's so much a hit that he took the shit and flipped it again on the fucking chick-stape shit. He noticed shit as a hit. I think that there's something to be said for recognizing that there's a pot of gold there. Nobody else did. You keep trying to use it to discredit him. I will not. That's one too. I know how difficult it is to take something that the world already likes. The world already likes this. Why do I need it from you? And he is successfully doing that so much so that he's made it a thing of his. I respect it. I too have tried to go in the studio and take a song that people loved and tried to make something of it. And it went horribly bad like it does most times unless you have that thing in your ear. That I won't say him, but somebody does. I can't say that Drake has it. Maybe somebody has it somewhere. You can hear it. It's coming from somewhere. Someone in Bryson Tiller. Someone is doing that sound well. And more people are fucking adopting it. And adapting to it. You almost-- Tiller seems to be trying it. Travis Scott, I put under that umbrella. Well, I put him under Kanye first and then in the Drake. Kind of a movie. Well, I'm just saying-- That's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying if we start a family tree and start with Kanye and Drake, I'm going to be able to connect a lot of sounds starting from those two people. So Travis Scott is going to fall under there somewhere. Like there's a lot of people. Future. Everything that people like has that sound. I'm not disagreeing with you. And I don't even know how I got to this point from wherever-- Yes, I'm trying to figure it out. Oh, because I want to argue. So you keep trying to use what this guy-- what I deem as an attribute for Tory Lanez. But that's who we know. That's his only trick. Like we just-- Well, that's not true. Because I like-- We know Tiller can do actual original music. But I like a few Tory Lanez songs that have nothing to do with a flip. Well, you had said that Chick State 3 was your favorite and that would best represent what you thought of him. Because he liked a few records off his 11 mixed tape discography. Yeah, but I also said that part of that reason is because of how I discovered him. So when I heard Chick State 3 and heard how polished it was. And then I went back to his previous work and I could hear as an artist him trying to work on it. I could hear where it's bad music. Then I could hear where it got a little better. But he still didn't have the hooks in the bridges. Like I, as an artist, I appreciated that. So there were songs that I liked from there. But you could tell he ain't have it together yet. Let's go back to Tory Lanez's first project ever. And then let's go to Bryson Tiller's first project ever. Which one are you taking? We can't find Bryson Tiller's first project ever at my point. It was an album. He did it without a mixed tape in an era when people typically put out mixed tapes for albums. As a new artist, that's fucking hard to do. And Tory Lanez certainly couldn't do that. Why do you keep talking about what he's accomplished? So Tory Lanez don't have an album out. I said fuck the album at this point. Put the first two projects. No, my original point was. Yeah, okay, do that. Put their very first project together. Or you can't do that. Because Tory Lanez has never sold an album. So if you're talking about just the first. So if you shut up, Rory. If you're talking about the first two projects that they have ever done, we haven't heard that from Bryson Tiller. Know why? Because he's got a good team and they've tucked all that bullshit away somewhere. They've packaged him. He's packaged. And the people bought it and purchased it. I'm talking about what's tangible. And but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. But you seem to not kick that album matters. And believe in it so much that per your words, they turned down an OVO offer. So clearly they had a plan and it worked. Good for them. That's what all of us are doing. We're trying to think of a plan and have it work. Good for him, Tory's plan has not developed. He has a single that is working. They're not at the same place in their career. But as far as artistry. That's what I'm trying to suggest. You know you keep bouncing on both sides. You keep talking about artistry and career. They're not the same to me. Let's strip it. Because for some odd reason, you think an artist making an album is not applicable here, but it is. Let's strip it. Let's just. I didn't even know Marty was here. Hi, Marty. For some reason you don't think an artist making an original album means something or it's difficult to do. But that's not the point. Let's put first. Why does he keep saying an artist making an original album? Because that's a very... You as an artist should know, it's very difficult to make an album. It takes real artistry to make an album instead of a mixed tape. Right? Yeah. Okay. That point there. So let's strip it since for some reason that did that. That's a point? Yeah. Because one has an album and one doesn't. Huh? It's much harder to make an album than a mixed tape. Am I lying? Because we're talking an artist. I just don't think that your point applies to this argument. Yeah, because one has an album and one doesn't. No, because they both stole from Drake Sound. What is that going? They both stole Drake Sound. So why do you keep referring to Bryson Tiller as this almighty original biblical? We never heard that. He stole a sound. And then he did his version of it. Soul? Tori Lanez. You keep trying to make this a stealing shit. Yeah. Mad shit. That's my whole point. They both do the same shit and one does it better. That's my point. Is it easier? I'm not trying to make. They make the same music. So is it easier to make a mixed tape or an album? I'm asking you that as an artist. It depends. You put your rapper hat on. It depends. I want you to put your rapper hat on. More music too is harder for me to make than an album. I mean, I'll move music like that type of mixed tape. So it depends. So far gone, I'm sure a lot went into that. Mm. For Drake. Like Chicks Tape 3. I don't look at it like just a mixed tape. I can hear it until he puts something into it. I agree. So I'm not just judging in like a mix. I'm just judging what my ears hear. I'm not judging how they decide to give it to the people. I'm not judging who they did a deal with or who publishes what. Like, I'm just going off what I am hearing. I'm trying to stick to your argument, which is we're stripping the success and things that he's done. It was going album album album. And the first project, because we're not using word album mixed tape anymore now. We're using first project versus first project. Tori Lane. Well, we're using Chicks Tape 3 versus- No, we're doing first Tori Lane's project ever versus first price until the project. Why would we be doing it? Why would we be doing it? I didn't make any sense. Like, Rory's losing me. Explain to me the point in doing that. Tori Lane's first project, which was from however many years ago. 2010, I want to say. 2010, yeah, 2010. And Trap Soul, which came out this year. Yeah. So you have an artist that has one good, solid project at the beginning of his career. It took Tori Lane's 10 projects to get to this Chicks Tape 3 that you love right now. Again, you would be speaking to what has occurred in each of their paths in that part. That's about what's tangible. We don't know what their team hit it. That's my point. No, that's my point. Let's talk about what's tangible. It's not known. We know that Tori Lane's has 11 projects in the download right now. We know Bryce Tilla has one. What does that have to do with my point? Like you over-talking me is not changing my point. So are you going to talk or am I saying my point? I was talking and then you kept interrupting me. So I continued to talk. But I still don't know I was answering because I still don't see what that has to do with the price of tea in China. What I'm saying is I don't care about any of the team. How you did what? I'm stripping. That's not inclusive. So if Tori Lane's is in fucking Toronto in 2010 and nobody gives a fuck about Tor-- about Toronto or Tori Lane's back then. And he's by itself and he's in a basement somewhere and he raps and sings on some shit and put it out. Just trying to break away as a kid that nobody gives a fuck about from Toronto and clearly Bryce and Tilla. You're putting things we don't know. That's my point and Bryce and-- I'm stripping that saying project for project. We're saying that thing. You're not stripping it by saying project versus project. You're not stripping it because one came out in 2000 and then whenever and by listening to it, my brain is telling me what occurred with this. One, Bryce and Tilla came out now and by listening to it, my brain is telling me what occurred here. It's a false equivalent of things we don't know. So I'm saying strip both, but project versus project. All right, so maybe things you don't know because I stand behind everything I just said. So I don't lose my brain for argument's sake or I'm not dumber because of the argument. We're having-- I stand by you but you're far in this. No, we're stripping the teams. Because you know exactly what I'm saying. We're stripping the teams. I'm trying to get to all these things because you keep going back to artistry because if you want to go that route, I can issue-- I can issue with all the shit that he's accomplished that Tory hasn't with the same sound. We were talking about what someone has accomplished and I'm just telling you about what my ears hear currently. It's not that complicated. And I feel like I'm exhausted myself and not getting a response to valid points I'm making. They both come from the Drake umbrella. They both do the same shit. Neither one of them is Michael Jackson. We enjoy both of them. We're partial to one more than the other for whatever the reason be. But I'm not going to take one in 2016 and compare him and all that's behind him to something that came out in 2010 when I'm listening to it. And I could hear, "Ain't I'm buying that. You just grind it." And I can identify with that because we all been grinding. I'm grinding now. But I know what grinding is. So I'm not comparing those projects. I wish both of these brothers the best because still people will hear this somehow and say that I hate either one of them when I really do wish them both the best and want a feature from both of them. But I mean-- I'll make my quick closing point. They both come from the Drake umbrella. They both have that sound. They're in the same lane. I think personally, it's much more difficult to create an album of original music versus a mix tape with a bunch of records that we already love. That's my only point on why I think Bryce and Tiller is a better artist. Fuck everything he's accomplishing. I'm putting that in there. I think as an artist, it's more difficult to create an album of very, very, very minimal samples, original music, no features as your first album versus a kid that made a mix tape with a bunch of records that we've already heard. That's all I'm-- - Okay. Listen to this. - That's the closing point. - And this is my last point. I'm off the argument, but stemming from the argument. How much money, me and you, as friends, tell me how much money I would have to pay you to get you in the studio and give you a list of 10 classic songs and then see what you come up with with a singer in there. - I'm sorry, we could repeat that question. - I want to know how much money I'd have to pay you to put you in the studio with someone who can sing and give you a list of, and someone who can write, and give you a list of 10 classic songs and you picked one of them to do some way. - And good producers that can flip these records? - Mm-hmm. - What do you mean, how much money, how much to get you done or just to pay? - How much will I have to pay you to do it? For you to get in there. - To get it done with studio fees and things of that nature? - How much will I have to pay you? - 'Cause you're not a rapper, that's why. So you have no incentive into going to the studio and attempting this, but I would like to see you attempt it. So I'm saying how much would it take to get you to do that? - And then we can premiere the song right here, like we did "Maudie Monroe." - Well, first of all, Joe. - No? - I think it's a bit of a low, I'm not suggesting that I could do that. - Those are the clues to fill, though. - We're comparing Bryson versus Tory. To look at me like that. - I think 100%. Bryson can do what Tory did on "Chick's Tape 3." I don't think, off evidence right now, Tory can do what Tiller did on that album. That's my point there. I'm not going in a studio with some of me. - Why, go listen to Keisha. - You're telling me Tiller could not do what-- - Go listen to it, go listen to it. - Go listen to Keisha on "Chick's Tape 3." - I like Keisha. - You can put Keisha on "Brace the Tiller's Out." Like what are you talking about? And if you go to "Chick's Tape 2," this mad shit on "Chick's Tape 2," that should be on Bryson Tiller's album. - For "Secious," I actually thought those fucking skits on "Tory Lane Shit" were mad annoying and stupid, but-- - I'm talking about the song, the one that was a song. - I know, I like Keisha. - I like the whole "Chick's Tape 3." - I deleted all them shit. - But to my last point, Bryson Tiller can absolutely do what Tory Lanez did on "Chick's Tape 3." - We have no evidence to that. - But I do not. - We have no evidence to that. Whatever it is, we got it at. You just cavalierly saying that shit. When have we seen that? - Can I answer? - Yes. - Well, we know Bryson Tiller can write. We know he can sing like that. They make the similar music, right? - First of all, no. - Can I finish? Not when you're incorrect, if you're saying something. - Tiller can't write? - Yeah, you can write. - Can he sing like that? - No, he can't hit them, no story Lanez. We have the same range. And I can pull up songs to support my argument, huh? - Talk your shit, E. (laughing) - Yeah, but I can go to evidence of him hitting them. How they got to hit them and how they made it sound. You know what I mean? Bryson Tiller's range is not going where Lanez is. - Do you like the Bryson Tiller interlude that he flipped for Drake? We've listened to it in your car. Plenty of times. - Well, Bryson interlude that he flipped for Drake. - No, no, no. He flipped a trigger. - Oh, yeah. - Just another interlude. - Yeah, I do like that. - It's pretty cool. - It's cute. - We have some evidence that Bryson Tiller can flip other people's music and make it good. We have no evidence that Tory Lanez can make original music. - Whoa, see, and that's where you got Tory Lanez fucked up. Bryson Tiller had somebody take the sample, flipped to be, that was a freestyle. - That was a freestyle. - We have evidence. - What Tory Lanez is doing on Chick's Tapes? Three those ain't freestyles, my nigga. There's arrangement. There are bridges versus pre-hooks. A whole, that song flipped. Like, these are arranged. - We're getting away from-- - No, no, no, no, no. We're not getting away from shit. You just said we have evidence that Bryson Tiller can do with that? No, fuck, we don't. He freaked out. - There's some evidence there. - You are cheapening what Tory Lanez is doing. I'm not sure if you're doing that subconsciously or your cognizant, but you just saying-- - Oh, he taking some shit and doing it. - So, and if that's how you feel, then-- - I think that's difficult. - But I think making an album is more difficult. - But, just another interlude by Bryson Tiller, which I love, is a freestyle over a flip. What Tory Lanez is doing on Chick's Tape, three, and over the TLC scrub shoot on Chick's Tape, two. No, he's writing and arranged their songs. And he has hooked, his own hooks are on these records. - Not all of them. - Every last one of them is hooked, comes right before that hook. - Put the actual usher, you got it bad in the North. - And he put his hook right before it. And he put his hook right before it. And he put his hook right before it. That to me takes guts, but I'm off of this argument 'cause I support both of these kids. But, yeah, you are-- - Well, is there a spit of evidence that Tory Lanez can do what Bryson Tiller did on "Trap Soul"? - I just told you to listen to Keisha. - That's one little record. Back to your fucking Tiller on the Drake's-- - Listen to A.O., listen to something. - Oh, listen to something. - I'll listen to that. - Oh, and listen to something remix. Oh, come on. - Not the remix. - And then I'm talking about it. Bright, Tory Lanez might do Bryson Tiller better than Bryson Tiller. If we're gonna refer to the songs that I'm naming. So if you want to, when we leave here, go have like a song contest? 'Cause I don't think, like my favorite shit on the Bryson Tilly shit is don't the one at the end that I love. Brando, not Brando, who's the other one? And all the Ineludes, like the first four. I love those, but I would be, you know, I would be doing a grave injustice if I didn't say I wish they were longer. (laughs) I'm not in love with the other stuff like y'all are. - I'm just going back to my point that-- - But-- - I respect where-- - Can't do what Tory can't do with Bryson Tiller. - But Bryson didn't do what Tory did yet. And if your brain is telling you that just another Inelude by Bryson Tiller is Bryson Tiller's version of what Tory Lane's is doing. Oh, then we don't need to have this conversation anyway, because you're-- - I said some evidence. - You're meters. - You took my some evidence and ran with it like you wouldn't believe it. - No, it's your only evidence. You keep saying he can do what he can do. That's your only evidence of that. - And I'm saying we don't have not one actual piece of evidence of fucking Tory Lane's-- - I've just given you six songs. Are you ignoring what I'm saying? - Can I say one thing, one thing of-- - Of course. - Yeah, 'cause the body ain't saying shit. Why am I even here? - I think it's kind of unfair to even compare the two. And it kind of goes to his point in a way. I think you would have probably had a better argument with Bryson and maybe-- - Party. - Tory, when putting album together, the access you have is a little deeper than someone who's just working in a studio creating a mixed tape. So of course, Bryson will be able to create at a better space in an original sense. Tory hasn't been able to create in that fashion yet. No big budget. - Do we know that? - There's no, I mean, he hasn't put out the album. There's no big budget behind him putting out-- - Well, Joe just said-- - He knows for a fact that he's making one right now. - Well, no, if he's making one now, and then we'll see where he delivers. - Yeah, we still haven't heard. So the point's still stands. - Now also, Tory's records, not tomorrow. - Tory's records, while they are built around samples, if you strip the samples-- - I'm just more than samples. - No, no, no, I mean, I'm just more than samples. - If you strip the samples, they're still pretty cool records. I'm not saying they're great. I am admitting that the sample is a big part of making sound good. - I wouldn't even call it a sample. - It's definitely a big part. - But he is obviously a good writer. So you can't really judge the two. I think the debate is kind of flawed in the sense of even comparing the two. And the fact that Chickshape ain't been out but a month, and we given this that much attention, it hasn't even stood the test of six months yet, where with Homeboy, who's put out something, he's touring, he's selling out tours, he's doing a little bit more than Tory. So it's like, you know, P&D, he sold out tours, he's done different things, he put out multiple projects, maybe that would have been a better argument. - And he had another one in some way of working on his album, I'm sure. - And I know, I know-- - And I know her. - Songs about her two songs about her. - I have my best, that's it. - And I know Joe, and it's a fair point to not put in his accomplishments. But I think as an album with artistry and music, to have an album in this era, still going from October, and it's peeking higher than it has before. - Amazing. - I think that's to be said because I think-- - Phenomenal. - I think with bad music, I'm talking music here, that generally cannot happen. That means they put something out, and the team really did work it, but the music is there. - It can happen with bad music, but that's not relevant here, 'cause it's not bad music on Broadway. - Yeah, I'm just making the point that-- - Brice until his album is going to be-- - It is something that's noteworthy, even in this artistry debate to create an album that is still carrying this much. It's peaked at number nine. Like that's to be said, especially around the albums that it's around. - Chris Brown, Madel. - But I don't care-- - And he wrote on Chris Brown's album. That's to be said about his artistry as well. - That is to be said about his artistry. - As far as with album, I don't care about any of that. - Well no, it's definitely-- - It's great for him. - Well no, it's a note in making an album, Joe. I think having music live on, I'm not saying from October to now is really living on, but it's to be said about the music on the album that it is just picking up so much, and more and more people are listening, and it's a really good album. - I agree with your point. I'm just talking about personally. - Well, I can't debate that Joe button likes somebody. - I like rising to lose shit. - I can only talk about what's tangible. I don't care about how long it takes for the rest of the world to fucking figure it out, if it's dope or not. David, how much time we at? - I don't know what that means, Dave. (laughing) - My parking thing, and the thing you jig. - I'm telling you, they don't check that shit. I've gone like an hour over before it. - Well, it's a different feeling from, it's a different feeling from walking outside and seeing your Mercury Milan is missing, and to walking outside and seeing your S550 Mercedes is missing. - Hey, it's still fucking sucks either way, 'cause it's the same price to get it out. - No, really, if my Mercury Milan got told, I probably would just walk away. (laughing) - Anyways. - No, I need my car, so. - If there is something to be said, it may have to deal with price and Tories appearance. - Like your beard game? - 'Cause those two look like they might use bevel. - You know what? Not that I've been really looking at, Bryson's doing it, and Tory Lane's. - Hey, hey, we may disagree on this, but I can tell you something we agree on. - But when I did look at them both, the first thing I thought to myself was, wow, it looks like both of these gentlemen are using bevel. The first and only shaving system from men with coarse curly hair and sensitive skin, clinically proven to reduce and prevent razor bumps, discoloration and irritation. There's a reason nine out of 10 bevel customers come back month after month. Up to 80% of black men and women struggle with razor bumps and up to 30% of all men and women encounter razor bumps as well. Why has that since they're twice? (laughing) - 'Cause the people need to know. - Start shaving smarter today at getbevel.com. That's G-E-T-B-E-V-E-L dot com. For 20% off your first month's membership in a promo code Joe at checkout, that's G-E-T-B-E-V-E-L dot com. Use code Joe for 20% off your first month. Sure. - They just launched their new electric razor, which grants one. - And I want one. Where's my shit? I need two of them, send 'em my way. Send 'em to a real nigga. - They haven't sent them to us yet, 'cause they just came out. - Mighty, mighty, mighty, Marissa, Marissa. (laughing) - You know what I mean? - You know what the dopest word about that is? - What's what? - You can bring that to your barber and he can use it. - Yeah. - I thought that was a very dope feature of that razor. It's Tristan, it's not Jose. - I do wanna say, because I'm not unlike my two coals, I'm not that ignorant to what's going on in the universe. I am a big perplexed by Sean Penn and El Chapo. - Yeah, that was... - I don't know why Sean Penn is doing interviews for anybody. That's number one. - And do you think that this is gonna get hit by that? - And I don't know why El Chapo is doing interviews for anybody. Individually. - Word. - Separately. - Oh, more on the El Chapo side though. - I don't know, I just debated more. (laughing) I just debated more on El Chapo side. But these are two gentlemen whom I'm not sure why they are doing interviews separately. Why the fuck would you be doing an interview together? Right? So okay, cool. So now they say the rumor has it. Sean Penn was writing a piece for one of the white people magazine. - I think it was rolling, so it was rolling. - That they don't care about black people and our feelings and our thoughts. Oh, rolling stone? - I don't care. - Oh no, I thought it was something else. - It was rolling stone? - Rolling stone? - Yeah, and it was written to the-- - I don't like vanity fair, one of them shit. - And El Chapo wanted it to be like a biopic, but they-- - Oh come on, El Chapo. - So they just-- - Oh come on, El Chapo. - And El Chapo. - El Chapo. - And it was hooked up by some actress out there that's a mutual friend. - Now don't that sound like somebody who ain't really concerned about leaving jail again? - Not only that, but it's like he's flaunting, like he wants the notar-- I don't know, that shit was just weird. - Well, he's worth, we looked this up last night, over $4 billion. - So can he just pay his way out of jail? - So I don't really think he's, I think he can really leave jail in every once in a while, to be perfectly honest. - That Sean Penn-- - He went under the fucking bed. - Hey Sean Penn-- - Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. - Hey Sean Penn in Rolling Stone. It's you niggas to Feds, man. - Yeah, right. - Come on, my nigga, you guys gonna get me to get El Chapo? You know what I mean? - Well he got popped right after, where's Ray? Pop, pop. He got caught. - You know what I'm saying? - Damn. - But do you think, do you think it's gonna get Sean Penn clapped? From like El Chapo-- - So what do you-- - So listen to that motherfucker. Or listen, y'all are ignoring catastrophic shit taking place when God is sending you signs. We're not even two weeks into fucking 2016. People, be awake out there. They took El Chapo from us. - Oh my God. - B-B-O-D is over. - You're all a nice seeing. - Yeah. - We're only two weeks in and B-B-O-D is broken up. - Yeah. - Crazy. - First the fat boy is broken up. - I don't think, I think it's easy to let the government try to blind you to what's happening in the society that is real and that really needs our undivided attention. - And B-B-O-D is it. - But they've been trying to kill the female rapper and they've been doing a great job of it for a really long time. Thank God for Nicki Minaj to come through and break that mold. And just when we need somebody to follow her behind the door that she's so boldly kicked in, you fucking take B-B-O-D away. Fuck. Come on, Mona. Come on. So you know what, Mona? I'm watching your little fucking show and I'm a little teary-eyed and upset 'cause you take B-B-O-D away, but I'm a man and I'm grown, so I dust my shoulder off and I keep watching. And then, right when there seemed to be a glimmer of fucking light at the end of the tunnel. - What happened, Joe? - Right when I'm thinking all is right in the world 'cause Peter Gons is in the studio alone and he is gonna give us heat. - What do Mona do now? - What do you do, Mona? You send in the fucking wife to distract a hard-working man from changing the world with light-skinned fire. We're on a roll with Drake and Steph Curry. Let Peter Gons contribute what he can. - Exactly, but I was thinking, that's what I came in and you were ready to argue, to be honest, so. - I'm outta here. - Man noise. - We have to pay for that. - Man noise. Dramatic exit. - Oh, I left. Joe is house, Joe Field. We don't even know he stormed off. Joe should be like, "Joe, Joe, go take the Joe." - He stormed off. - Joe, but left his jacket. - Yo, Mona. - Let Peter get my jacket. - Y'all'm out. - Get your tickets at SOBs.com for February 2nd, come see us live. - We gotta talk. - Live. - You're gonna be awesome. - Joe's gonna perform his catalog in full afterwards. - The only time we're performing "Porno Star." - We're actually gonna debut the "Mottie Monroe" featuring Joe, but in his seat. - Oh, you're making it or not. - Remixed. - Oh, no, the remix to "Lick It or Not" by Joe Button called "I Would Never Know." - I'm shit. - Or not. (laughing) - Or not. Bye y'all. [BLANK_AUDIO]