The Joe Budden Podcast
I'll Name This Podcast Later Episode 36
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But we'll talk about that later. I have Deon say here. Deon and her lace front. Fresh lace on the forehead. She didn't need to say. We have Danielle. Danielle is a part, don't do that again. Don't ask over the squad. Danielle is a part of Marissa's squad. You've been on this podcast before while I was absent. No, that was an era. Samira was on here. She's been on the artwork before, though. But you've never actually been on the podcast. Well, Deon say does have a new lace front, and it's making her forehead extremely relevant. They do. Yeah, girls with good pussy do have good for it. So shout out to you. Yes, they do. What are you clapping about? I don't know. I have a big forehead and good regime. We'll talk about that. We're getting beside the point and we have a guest here. Internets. We have a special. I'm sorry. My drumroll is horrible. We don't have any sound effects. Combat Jack is here. Yo, what's up, guys? What's up, Joe? What's up, people? Thanks for having me, audience. I am. I can't tell you people how ecstatic I am that combat Jack is here. Just how ecstatic are you, man? You're one of the people that I just like. I appreciate that, man. I don't like a lot of people. Joe hates everyone. I don't like very many people, but from when I first met combat Jack on when I did his podcast, I'm a fan of intellectual men in particular. Okay, thank you, man. So, and you were just very warm. You were very personable, and that experience always stuck with me, and I followed you from then. So, this is great for me. That was one of the rare, mushy moments that I will have on this podcast. Well, we know you don't like intellectual women, so we did it. We did numbers, too, man. That episode did good numbers, man. Did it? Well, audience. Well, yeah. That was good one, man. Okay, good. I remember specifically... Because we asked about loving hip-hop, and then it got on that wave, and it did well. I didn't know very much about combat Jack when I first did his podcast, and it was one of the more... It was one of those days, it was a press day. It was at the end of the press day, and I just come off answering the same questions all day long, and I got the combat podcast, and it was an amazing interview. It was one of those interviews where I was fully engaged, even though I was probably exhausted and ready to go home, so I did appreciate that. I appreciate that, too, man. And I'm glad it did numbers. I'm glad it did numbers, too, man. Thank you. So now... And now he's using your album as a coaster. Jesus! All of that, and then just puts the joke in his... Oh, man. I'm not disrespecting this grant. Oh, that is so hard. Oh, shit. Fuck, man. So snitching? Listen, we never know snitching policy in here, but that... Except for when they snitch. Except for when we switch snitch on each other. No, that's normal you. No. Now, I will warn you, combat, that, you know, your pod cast is a bit more cultured than this one. That's all right. I've listened to this podcast. Oh, great. So you know that we're very... I know you guys are savages. Yeah. Well, Joe and I have really intellectual... The generics. Conversations of substance outside of this podcast. Outside of these. For some reason, when we get in here, we act like fucking idiots. Well, because when we try to talk about substance, Marissa can't keep up. Marissa, are you stunting? I am a woman of substance. Are you stunted? Is that what they're saying? No. No, I'm... No. Okay. Well, can you tell us a little bit about yourself for some people that may not have listened to the five people that haven't listened to the podcast? Who in the podcast world is not no combat? Yeah, because people that listen to podcasts, they listen to all the podcasts. They're podcasters. I'm black. Okay. I do podcast. All right. I like music. Done. I'm on this show. That's it. Is that good enough? Oh, we need it. Nah. Nah. We're gonna dig deeper than that. Let's dig down, man. Now, what is your background? My background in terms of Haitian American. That's good to know. I'm Haitian American for a generation of Americans. You practice law. I'm an attorney. Are you still practicing? Well, I mean, I'm always going to be an attorney. Yeah. I don't practice anymore, but I'm an attorney. That makes sense. I'm an author. Damn. You used to work at the source? I used to work at the source briefly. How briefly? I was trying to make it to 12 months. But wait, is that when the source was the source? Or is that when Benzino? Post Benzino. It was post Benzino. Okay. It was it was 2011. Oh, and it was Jesus. I'm old. Is that when you guys were in that like room? No, no, we were down in Wall Street. Oh, okay. I'm by the bowl. The last time I went to the source, it was a room. And then we went to a smaller office. And then when I bounced, I heard it up in the room. So, yeah, someone else. I was I was preroom. So you so you are well traveled. Yeah, I am. So what made you want to just do a podcast? Um, I became a blog. I went from being like talk about falling off. I went from being an attorney to a blog. Blogger is a prestigious career. And I guess so like the poorest form of journalism. Actually, I think a living off of it. I enjoy it. Now, what kind of blogs do you like? I do flexes. Yeah. Okay. So you do content aggregation. Yeah. So I'm talking about the renaissance of the blog, the hip hop blog era, which was like around 05, 06. I was doing a lot of long form because this is when I just left my practice. And I was just, you know, it was it was being really therapeutic in terms of just expressing my experiences with leor and ditty and dame dash. And at a certain point after two years, I ran out of shit to write. Well, you had your own site, right? Yeah, my own site, the daily mathematics. But you were also contributing to other sites. Yes. Complex source double XL. I actually was hired by double X shelf for a short stint. Um, and then I ran out of shit to write. And then I got approached by this cat, a king from the now defunct PNC online radio show. And he was like, yo, you Dallas want you guys do a show? So we were doing an online radio show called the Combat Jack show. And then we converted that into a podcast in the rest of his history. Oh, that's great. And then you started the loudspeakers network. The loudspeakers is the umbrella network. We have the re brilliant idiots, fan bros, iced teas, final level, tax stone tax, you know, iced teas over there too. I see just came over there. I see is my neighbor. Really? Yeah, we have been in your neighborhood. Oh, always. Yeah. Yeah. I see him everywhere. That's a nice neighborhood, man. It's a nice view. They're on the same side. I'm on. Yeah. I'm on it. My house is not as nice as this. He just built a beautiful Macklin place. But I'm pretty decent place. Now, do you game? Do you video? You game? No, no, because tea is a big game. Oh, he is not. Like, no, he is a big no, no, no, no, I'm a Joe. I've noticed you walk in the teas house and he's got like replica, like gears of war machine guns and like he's really into it. Oh, yeah. What's his podcast about? Um, about everything, current events, interviews. Yeah, it's a lifestyle. He's asking me to do that podcast. Um, numerous occasions. It's fun, man. It's fun. Well, I love ice. We should have him here too. We should do like a cross pod. We did speak about that, but um, cross pod-inization. I just didn't know that, um, the last week in that where it's all of the podcast. Yeah, you know, we have like everything with us. No, no, no, no, no, no, we're independent. We don't need to be able. You have a service too, right? We have a list of service. No, we, we like, we like, we don't need one over him. We're independent. I don't want to keep one. All right, just jam. We don't want to over here. How did, how did they, that's, you guys kind of monopolize. We're not monopolizing. We just have a lot of momentum. How do you, how do you decide, how do you decide who gets a shot? Um, so, so it comes down to, you know, of course who the personality is, um, what their history is for iced tea. It was like it was a legendary acquisition. He had a, he had a podcast and we spoke about maybe him joining forces and maybe us being able to help, you know, in his momentum and his movement and he saw it and he jumped on it. Um, you know, uh, Charlemagne is on, you know, the brilliant idiots. My partner, Chris Morrow has a relationship with, with, with Charlemagne. And I guess Charlemagne felt that, you know, to be at his most uninhibited self, he needed a podcast. And I think he loves it. And he's done great for the, for the network. Um, both, uh, Kid Fury, who's on the read and great things about that one. Yeah, it's, it's our biggest show. I heard a lot about Kid Fury's podcast as well. Listen, Ali, like they talk about that. It's, it's, no, he, that kid is a superstar. That kid is a freaking superstar. He's retweeting my timeline every day. And then he retweets your on your timeline. Yeah. I don't follow him, but he's on my timeline. Everyone else follows. But both Charlemagne and Kid Fury were like, yo, fuck with this kid tax though. So that's how we, you know, saw tax and it's, it's, it's, it's a myriad of things. Like what's your numbers on social media? What, how smart are you or how ratchet? Are you a, what are you bringing to the table? What do you bring into the table? Cause we wanted to have a network that spoke all voices. You know what I'm saying? So I guess on, on one end, I'm like the highbrow, like Charlie Rose of the shit, brilliant idiots, the fucking idiots, you know, and then, but they're brilliant. And then the phenomenon that, that, that's tax stone, you know, and tax series. I mean, tax season is that he's bringing podcasts to the hood hood. Like I'm talking about niggas that don't know what the fuck. Trust me. I've heard though the fucking hood is motherfuckers. Like I don't know what a podcast is, but I fuck with tax shit. And that's amazing. Like my shit is considered too highbrow for some of his audience, but you know, tax is a brilliant dude. And he, you know, it's, it's a sense of camaraderie. Um, and, and we're just trying to make history. We don't know exactly what the fuck we're doing. Cause the shit is still brand new. So we need to do it. Nobody does. How long has this, uh, how long has this, um, network been running? The network has been running for about two years. Yeah. But yeah, it's, it's really, yeah, it's really still brand new. Oh man. They got Peter to fuck out of here. Hey, they didn't go. Okay. To Peter's owner. Wait, no, no, no, I'm talking about, I'm talking about the idea of a network of a network. Yeah. Yeah. But Jesus, two years. Well, you know, this is amazing. There's, there's always strength in numbers. And, and you know, now that Peter and I are the best of friends. Well, you guys are on a much better page and you guys did a panel together. Yes, we did. Yeah. We did. Yes. There's a podcast and they said you were invited and then you weren't able to make it because you had left already. And then I was offended because no one asked me to do it. I listened to, um, I listened to you on, when you were on taxes podcast, when that whole UNP shit was going on. And I won't delve too much into that for the people that don't know. Yeah. Yeah. That's over and down. It's over and down. And you, and you, and you use your Googles if you want to go back. Yeah. It's over. But, but when it was happening, I, I agreed with everything you said. Really? Yeah. I, I understood everything you were saying. And it, it led me to have quite a few conversations with Peter. And I, and I, and listening to your show, I did appreciate at least the public conversations that you guys had. Yeah. Yeah. And we've had many private conversations because with, with me, a lot of people are unable to see, um, with eyes that aren't their own. Right. So sometimes we don't know how we come off. Right. And you know, I talk to Peter all the time. I, I just don't know the day. I say, I like you much better on ESPN than I like you on hot, like, because he, is he, is he more in his element? I haven't seen him on ESPN. No, he's more out of his element. So he's a, that's not true, particular about what he says. No, he just, on ESPN, he is with Michael K and Don Leggrecker, two very established people in sports radio. Right. Um, and he's, he's added to the show to add some spunk and some flavor, but Peter is very knowledgeable when it comes to sports. Right. So now not as knowledgeable as those guys. That's what I was suggesting. But who was his knowledge? You boy is my, no, I'm sorry. I was suggesting that he may be more knowledgeable in hip hop than he is in sports. Yeah. Just from the time I spent in that arena. Yeah. So he's a bit higher in class and may come off a bit more smug when he's talking about hip hop rather than he would talking about sports among being the new guy. Yeah. He's smug when he talks hip hop. He's smug. Yeah. He's not come off smug. He's smug, but I do like him on ESPN much better. I got, I got to check it out, man. Yeah. Well, I listen to sports radio. I don't listen to it. Yeah, that's like Joe. I don't listen to FM radio. Right. Me neither. Period, because it's just not, it's just not. I'm old, man. I'm old. I mean, but then it's not just an age thing because my kids never listen to FM radio. I do have 97 all day halo. Well, you were right. No, seriously, my 17, my 18 year old, they don't listen to the radio. Well, they probably didn't grow up on radio being the surrounding force when it comes to music. No, they only, the only time they were forced to listen to radio was when it when I was driving in the school. And then when I made the transition from, from terrestrial to satellite, they, you know, they will listen in the stern, of course, a lot, you know, the only time I've ever seen my kids listen to the radio live radio was beats one when they, when they dropped the future Drake, uh, mixed it. That's the only time they listen to quote unquote live radio on their own of their own volition. You listen to stern a lot every morning. He does damn near like a podcast. I feel like that's, that's the closest thing. Well, his interviews, like his interviews, like I wasn't into stern with all the crazy, like white boy hijinks from like the eighties and like Jackie the joke man and Jackie the joke man or even, you know, Arty who, who's become a good friend of mine. But his interviews are, are, I mean, if you listen to Howard Stern on a daily basis, that's a daily course on how to interview people. It's crazy. Yeah, I listened to one a couple, like at a party, we put it on for an hour, we sat there and fucking listen to a rich Cronin interview from 2009. And he's mastered, I think, you know, in terms of what's, what's, what's out there on the landscape right now, he's mastered the art of interviewing celebrities and people that you don't give a fuck right and make it interesting. Yeah. You care about nobody. Exactly. That's probably why Howard Stern is Howard Stern is the legend and radio that he is. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. The goat. Now, I was reading something today. And I'm already, man, you're making my podcast too mature already. I know even too nice and cool. There's a story that broke up, that is story didn't break today. It's re-broke today, I guess, with about that, that cat, which cat that pulled out his dick. All right. Hey, I walked right into that man. He did. He did. He compared that like goal of the fucking 80s. I was just about to say that I really didn't share my pops used to say it. No, I'm talking about, um, and I feel bad for this kid, uh, drum, right. So, Oh, cha-cha. So Drake put out the hot, the hot line, the video, bling video, which I guess you should do that for a song that's shooting up the charts. So I do understand that. And his goal is to get a number one. And so it's perfect timing. I love that video because it's like him dancing is, is saying to whomever, you're getting bodied by a corny nigga. For real. He looks like my dad with my dad's cooking and he knows I'm gonna be like some good shit. He's like, Oh, he's really continuing to prove that he can do whatever he wants. And it will be accepted by this audience. It's amazing. But it was calculated. He enjoyed the video. I enjoyed the video and gifts all day. What'd you think about it, Joe? Um, or I, it's twofold for me. I enjoyed, I enjoyed Portia Jenkins. Um, the, one of the dancers in this, she was, she looked immaculate. One of the full bodied? Yes. Yeah. Very curvaceous. Very attractive. I don't know her. Okay. I don't know her. The timeline told her she was. No, I follow her Instagram. That's the only reason I was able to, I was able to, she's Drake is committed. Drake, to the Pluscious one. Yeah, you mean, Drake, Drake, Drake. Yeah, we can talk about that later. But, uh, I liked the video. I liked the dancing. I do think that it was calculated. He did no means would come. I liked the evolution. Uh, I remember when Drake videos were really bad. Really trash that I ever had was. Yeah. That was like, that was always his, his Achilles heel. That was like knock on him. So to see him in better videos, to see him dressed better. Um, was he dressed better though? Did he still add some? Just better, Jayce. The sweater thing. Like, like, I mean, who, I mean, I'm not Canadian. I'm not fucking Drake. I'm not fucking on, on top of the world, but do like that. You gotta remember how Drake used to dress go. Like, like a young Cosby. So now it's like less, it's like the same sweaters, but less colors. But yeah. So about the, the cha-cha thing, he, um, the thing that was funny about that is when Drake performed it at his friend's wedding before dropping the song, and it was like a sample video that went around like Drake has a new song he's about to drop, everyone labeled it as a cha-cha remix. They thought that's what that was. They thought he did a verse on drum single. Well, that's what I thought it was. Right. And so then it came out and it wasn't necessarily associated with the song. But if you go to a club, they blend it with the song or whatever. But it doesn't sound. I mean, the sounds aren't too similar. They're not too far hard. That's the same beat. Yeah. And so, um... It's the same beat tinkered with. Now I saw something on my timeline today from, and I clicked on his page and he has like 100,000 followers. So I guess he's in the nose somewhere somewhere. No, no, no, not drum. Some guy said that Drake actually asked drum to do a verse on his song, and drum turned it down. So I don't know how true that was. Like I said, I clicked on this guy's page. He seems like he's in the nose. He has a good following. So now, drum is his feelings. He's salty. Well, drum tweeted. He tweeted, um... You stole my song? Yeah. I feel like he stole my song. You stole my song. But you know what? If that would have had his mind, why is he just not suing? Yeah, because if you, if you like lifted the song, then you get that, you get that money. But, hey, interesting lawyer, tell us what happens here. What happens in this situation? We never fact check on the show. Now we can fact check. I mean, I listened to the songs and I could see the similarities. And musically, musically, but drum has to prove. Look at the blurred lines case. Well, the blurred lines case, I think, was a little different because if you play cha-cha, and if you play... Hotline Bling. Hotline Bling. See, I got to listen to cha-cha again to see if it automatically reminds me of... Pull up cha-cha. Of Hotline Bling. Danielle's fucking song. But when you listen, but when you listen to blurred lines, you hear... The Marvin Gaye. The Marvin Gaye song. Like, you hear that song. Like, I don't know if it's note for note or whatever, but it sounds identical. Danielle, you got it on your phone? No, I have it, and it's right here, because I went and immediately checked. Never mind, Dan. And when I heard it, all right, I don't know if I'm doing this for everybody. What are we playing for the cha-cha? Cha-cha. Okay. We're going to play cha-cha, then we're going to go into the Hotline. Austin, this is hooked up. Damn, you guys are so tech savvy right here. No, I'm just trying to work on the table. You just have my laptop. This is the first episode of "Fuck Roars." I was in a rush because Joe did the Larry Wilmore show. What is that? The nightly show on comedy show. How was that, man? Really good. Congratulations, man. Thank you. That was a really good experience. Larry Wilmore was real cool. I was going to invite myself in the group chat, and then I just didn't feel like, so I figured you'd say no. Mess with this, because that thing has taken too long. But I fact-checked, which I never do. And I went to go check on this cha-cha song that I'm not 100% familiar with, and... Oh, yeah. I could see Drake doing his little... Now, I've just listened to the beef. That was like a sad thing, yeah. If it were to be sad. It sounds like a typical kind of, like... Cha-cha, that's almost... Cha-cha, meringue type Latino type of song. Eventually, those chords are going to change. Yeah, because this is a video, that's right. But we can turn it off. Does it sound... That's enough in court. That's enough. For what? To sue! Now, Nat, to drum. Nat, to drum. Whoever created this beat. Right. Because the Drake song is a different song altogether. And it has a different producer. This beat is the... Is that producer that did drum shit? Well, did drum produce that? Because he's a producer as well. I don't know. He might've. I'll Google it. See, we got to go to the fact. But whoever did beat... We don't like to do that on the show. Yeah, that's because we got to go to the facts, because you got to understand also... Yeah. You know, ideas are contagious. Very. Ideas are contagious. So it's a matter of whether this idea was floating around at the same time, or Drake's camp or Cha Cha was like, "Yo, let's get that." All right, I have to play devil's advocate here. Yeah. We have "Drum" now. Mm-hmm. Is he from Toronto too, right? No, "Drum" is from Virginia. From Virginia, okay. We had the two kids from Houston. Sauce twins? Sauce twins. Oh, because he did the dance in the videos what they're saying too. They were accusing Drake of stealing a bunch of shit. Right, yeah. Produced by Gabe Niles as the guy that he had. What's up, Gabe? Hey, Gabe. I think Drake is in a space where none of this really matters. I don't think... Yeah, it doesn't matter. And I think he's out of space where if he did, or if someone along the trail lifted it, he can pay him. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say. It's like, so mean motherfucker. So what kind of numbers we talking? I mean, it depends. Like at this point, initially some shit like that might be like 2,500, 5,000. When it gets to this point, it might be 50, 25,050. If it goes to court, shit could end up 5,10, 15, 20 million. You know what I mean? Well, where I feel bad for "Drum" in this situation is people like Migos, Maconin, Fettie all got the Drake treatment, which was, "Let me take your record, put a verse on it, make it bigger." In this instance, just give me that record. That's all it was. It wasn't like Drake put a verse on Cha-cha. He made a whole new song. And the 1985 produced Hotline Bling. But that's my argument. That's a whole new song. Hotline Bling is a whole new song. It's not him rhyming over Cha-cha. Yeah, maybe it's sampling credit at that point. I don't know if you can really say... It is a new song. Or inspired by. Yeah, but that's what the problem with... What you call it was, the other one. Pharrell said he didn't sample it at all. He was inspired by Marvin. You know, it's funny. I spoke to everyone about the whole "Blurred Lines" thing. And he was like... Pharrell's problem might be that the way his mind works. He's already got the song locked in his mind. So he's creating it, not thinking. He's recreating it. But he's so brilliant that he's recreating it. Yeah, I could see it. And he was like, "Yo, if that's the case, it's fucked up. How the shit rolled out?" 'Cause he didn't actually jack it, but he created the same fucking song. And they got them from MoneyVee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I hear a lot of that. And what's the guy's name? Jadae, Jadae. Jadae? Well, they actually credited Iggy and paid those people for... Yeah, I know, I read that. I read that. They wasn't playing... And they was like, "We didn't even sample it, but we're not playing those games. We're not going to court. We're not Marvin Gaye and me. No "Blurred Lines." We'll pay you. But you know, if you have money... One thing I noticed is if you have money, like back in the day when I was doing deals. And I remember specifically one time, one of my songwriters wrote, "Call Thomas's." I wish I never met. That's it. I think we've heard of it. Yeah, sunshine, sunshine. No, no, call Thomas. And so we got a call one day from Def Jam. Some of us had lived it. And it was for Jay-Z's "I Just Wanna." And they were like, "That piece? I, you know, met her." And I wish I never met her at all. They were like, "Yo, we're ready to pay for that shit." Like, we could argue it's parody. We could argue that we're not really sampling, that this is just a nod. Why take the risk? They paid a check. And they were like, "Fuck all the bullshit." I mean, that's such an icon. I mean, it's different in terms of where you are, leverage-wise, what you have in your pocket. And just how savvy you are with the business. Like, it may be a lawsuit. It may not be a lawsuit. Here, take this check. Why even risk it? So how much was that? I mean, I know in the back then... I mean, it was nominal, because it was like, "Yo, word, y'all are paying us for that? Fuck it, we'll take it." Like, really, it was like, "Oh, we'll take it." Because it was such a surprise that they were approaches. Yep, not to say, but that's like real negative shit. You have these people out here that, you know, they will go to... They stop at nothing to extort and just make a come-up off of the most tedious of details like that. I wish I never met her arguing parody shit. I would take that check too. Yeah, it was a decent surprise, man. You brought up Pusha. What do you stand on on Pusha and Drake? If they were ever, if they would ever go at it? Which I do believe will happen one day. One day someone's gonna... Pusha and Drake. Yeah, what do you stand on that? Uh, Kendrick and Drake. Oh, yeah, those are the name of some subliminals, though. I don't think... There's some subliminals. We've got to get... Is this sub... What's the... Define subliminal for me? I'm talking about you. But I'm not... If you're paying attention, you know I'm talking about you, but cats that might not know that I'm talking about you won't know I'm talking about you. Like Kendrick's reference to Ghostwriter should have a couple of times. Pusha's too. Was definitely about Drake. Was definitely about Drake. And Drake knew it. But Drake... Those are subliminals, but when you come out and say, "Yo, yo, fuck you, Drake." Like Kendrick's, uh, controllers. Right. Was not so subliminal. But then again, that was kind of masked in the sense of... I'm just casually calling you out as my peer or not necessarily. Yeah, I didn't think it was a diss either. But yeah, give me, um, I don't think we'll see Kendrick and Drake. Take over and ether were not subliminals. At all. At all. Oh, the good old days and everything. At all. We'll never get that in. No 50. We get, uh... We get one and no. There's no subliminal in 50 cents body. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Pusha. Now, push it. Let me say Puja. I think he killed that man's career 10 years ago. But he's still around. I mean, he made it out. He's got a reality show coming out. He made it out, but he soiled his fucking name. His legacy too. Like he was so hip, hip, hip. And now it's like you say, you're like, "Ho, ho, ho." But you know what though? I think, and I'm not necessarily arguing against you, but the quality of music that John made during his reign. Shh. Yo, that made our house. You can't deny that shit. And when you get nostalgic and when you hear those songs, it's like, oh, shit. Like it takes you back to that moment before. That was like the epitome of like the ninth, tenth grade on the school bus singing those fucking songs. To saw him and J-Lo and Asante. We thought we were J-Lo. Yeah. If Put It On Me Comes On Right Now, just get up and start dancing. Exactly. Oh, shit, that's true. But now, John had joints after that after that whole hymn. He did. He had a song in '07 called Body or something like that. I fucking liked that song. No one else did. I don't know if I would call him. And he's publishing and you know, that's just-- Oh, I mean, he's making bread. I'm just saying like his name and how-- His name was taught his-- He's left out of a lot of conversations now because of what 50 did. But I think it's starting to come back. Yeah. And if he's asked the risk to his name. Yeah. But I mean, and then if you look beyond Ja, you know, Irv is now a legend. Like Irv, God, he is a legend. That is true. That is true. That is true. That is true. Yeah. All right. But you duck my, uh, duck my pushy, uh, dream question. I don't want-- I don't want-- I don't want to answer this. I don't want to answer this. I don't want to answer this. Because, because you know, when I talk about shit like this, comes back to me. Yeah, we know all about that. Oh, uh, uh. Shut up, shut up, make your niggies. So, uh, I know a little bit about that too. All I could say is I'd love to see that. You know, I'd love to see a good battle. That would be some lyrical shit. Which would push her and, and, and, and Drake. Because we know Drake has momentum. I think Drake has the advantage. But I think to his benefit, we've come to sleep on push her. And that puts push her in a good manner. Don't put me, don't put me in the Wii. Okay, but no, I'm saying collectively, like, you know, we're all waiting for push to, to drop his shit. And I love push her. But I would hate to see push her and, like, really, like, turned out. And unlike me, push her thinks before he speaks. Yep. And he is probably equally as calculated as Drake. We haven't been able to see that. Yeah, well, unlike me, I'm like me, push her can rap. That's number one. Yeah, can't be crapped up. Wasn't meek like the celebrated, like, battle rapper? Not by this podcast. Well, no, you know what it is, Jack? We hear that going around that meek was this battle rapper. Punch lines and... We haven't seen that on this arena. We saw the footage of him with the dirty braids rapping to a camera. And that is why everybody calls him a battle rapper. I don't think we've ever seen him battle the way battle rappers are battling. And we do know also that battle rappers may not necessarily make the best records. Yeah, and we know that as well. Now, that's what that's one. Two, meek can rap. Yes. So, let me clarify this for the listeners. When I say I'm talking about a much higher level of rapping, meek can rap. You know they're not going to take that sound by it. Pusha. Like any other one that you say. Pusha is different. Uh-huh. Pusha is a MC. Yeah, he's one of the gentlemen that, like, he's somewhere waiting for someone to say something for him to... Yeah, he's one of those. You don't really want to mess with people like that. And that's what I mean. Like, people are sleeping on his skills. Yeah. To his benefit. To his benefit. It means that much more of a conversation. Oh, he doesn't know it. Pusha is what I'm trying to see. The casual fan that we've discussed multiple times. But it's been a while since Pusha has really been in a conversation. And as the industry goes right now as listeners go, that's eons. Whatever you've done for me lately. Yeah, exactly. So, he's not in a conversation. So people are not expecting him. Until that point. Until he does. With a casual fan, we just saw Drake kill Meek. So now, in the casual fan's head, is Drake can battle. Right. Well, Drake can battle. Yeah. Drake is very smart. Drake is calculated a lot. Like, there's so many levels to back to... There's so many levels. I think he's calculated. To charge them back to not. There's so many fucking levels. As Meek would say, there's levels to this. Yeah. Should have took his own advice. Meek. Yeah. Yeah. Now, that to-down concert, the title concert. To-down. To-down. To-down concert. That concert is happening right now. Right as we speak. But last night to the listeners. Well, yeah, last night to the listeners. Oh, you guys dropped the next day. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, we dropping the morning. As a... Yeah, me? Yeah, me? That's a fucking moment. How did it go? No, because I used to take a week before I dropped my phone. Oh, no. We all played all games around here. Beep. You know what I was telling. We beat the people. I was telling Rory because I'm actually scheduled to be on Texas podcast. Really? Next week. And he records on Monday and drops Wednesday. On Wednesday, yes. Now, we complain here about recording Tuesday. We used to record Tuesday afternoon and dropping Wednesday because it seemed like something would always happen on Tuesday night that you needed to touch on. Right. And we just always missed it. So I'm amazed not so much of your podcast because you all have a lot of substance on your shit. But like, tax Monday to Wednesday, I would be petrified of that gap. Now, we got to-- I mean, one thing is we do have a good team. And I'm not saying y'all don't have a good team, but we have a good team. This is the team. Yeah. [INTERPOSING VOICES] You're looking awesome. I got a shout out on one of our producers, Jonathan Mena, who works both on the Combat Jack Show and tax season. And he's up all night. Like, if you give him something-- if there's a deadline, he's making that deadline. We need to produce that like that. Editing that shit, shaving shit off, adding shit. Like, he really adds texture to the shows, man. Yeah, I'm doing Tansy podcast. And that's supposed to be my podcast enemy. Really? Ew, fake for fake. People are trying to picture-- People are trying to picture against each other, or-- Because both of y'all-- But we both drop on Wednesday. I think that's probably it. Yeah, that's it. Outside of our-- outside of our jokes. No, that's-- do you guys joke with each other? Oh, yeah, no. We joke on another side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. That's all it is. Yeah, but it's a-- and like, what is a podcast beef? Like, there's no such-- To me, there's no such thing as a podcast. Yeah, I don't think-- There can be podcasts, be-- Explain it to me. I mean, that's if you legitimately don't fuck with the person. Well, just fine beef, okay. So, when I wasn't fucking with Rosenberg, right? There was some-- There was some-- There was some work, yeah. It was personal to me. I never viewed that as a podcast beef. No, it was personal, but then-- And I spoke about it when we were at the panel, down at A3C. So me being kind of like a snob in terms of what I do. And me feeling a type of way about Rosenberg at the time, whenever somebody would say, "Oh, I fuck with the Combat Jack Show." And Juan Epstein, or vice versa, I'd go, "Argh, my show is not there, show!" Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, no. And it took me to grow, me to let go of that shit. And then we-- us to resolve that shit, to realize that we were two different sides of the coin, in a sense, because of their level of appreciation for the talent that they bring on, and ours. But it's just two different shows. It is. But I just used to hate. My ego used to be like, "No, that's not me!" It's like, I felt like if somebody was comparing, and I'm not calling this them or that, but it's like if somebody's comparing your music to Soldier Boy? Right. You're writing. That would be insulting. Shout out to Soldier Boy. But you know what I'm saying? You're not shitting on Soldier Boy, you'd be like, "Argh!" And you know what I realize, and what I've come to appreciate about Juan Epstein is that, you know, they're the fanboys, kind of like sophomoric, like, we're just happy being in a room with you guys. You know what I mean? So when they would, you know, and I'd be like, "Argh!" Like, you know, I'd be the bourgeois. Like, don't compare me to those guys. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. I get it. That makes sense. So that added to the podcast beef. And fans will make it that way too. Right. Because fans will look like, "Oh, well, if they're beefing, then I got to choose size and generate the beef." Fuck you. And always add fuel to the vibe. Always. And then you kind of get amped off of what they're saying too on social media, so you just even more so. I never viewed mine in Texas situation to be anything like that, because I guess it's similar to what you were saying. But I don't think people would pitch all against each other. Just us being crazy. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing what we do. Yeah. And it's enjoyable for me, and as I'm sure it's enjoyable for him. But I always viewed it as they're two different podcasts. Yes. Like that served two different purposes with two different audiences and two different, so I never-- I was a little tight that he decided to drop on Wednesdays. Yeah. Well, a lot of visited after you guys started. Well, I know. Okay. Not well, after. We're about 10 episodes ahead of the tax. I can definitely tell you, though, that just in terms of how we program our schedules, it wasn't something intentional, more like we can't drop all of our shows on Tuesday. It's Rob Markman, you guys know. Yes, Rob Markman, Red Light Special. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm cool being independent. Wait a minute. We get us an opinion, Brad. I don't need to join Empire. What the fuck is going on over there? We don't need to-- we don't need to report to the man. No, because combat over here is extorting all of them, taking all they add money. [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] We're giving to the bottom of the city. [INTERPOSING VOICES] [INTERPOSING VOICES] Because I have to put what is the-- and I have now personalized this podcast. What incentive does-- why is everybody over there? But we started with Pete. We could have went through it. Marissa, Marissa, Marissa. I'm not talking about us. Oh, I-- That person was-- You were just personalizing it. Um, I think, you know, in terms of the-- Like, what do you provide? The business of the podcast. So my partner Chris Morrow really understands the business of podcasting. He understands, you know, the relationship with his advertisers, the mainstream podcast advertisers, as well as the independent advertisers. Um, we provide the studio. Um, we provide production. We-- some of these shows, we provide the concept. [INTERPOSING VOICES] You know, we come up with the concept and help them develop the concept. And we're very fair with the splits. We're very, very fair with the splits. Same thing Puff said to the locks. Yeah. [INTERPOSING VOICES] I don't know. I hope there's no refrigerators in there. No, no refrigerators. And I'll tell you this, man. Like, for the most part, man, our shit is not like, fuck you, sign this. It's like, yo, if you rock with us, you rock with us, if you feel-- like, recently we had-- not beef, but we had kind of like some turmoil with one of our shows. And they were like, we don't like this. We don't like that. We're like, all right, cool, man. Like, you know, be out. Like, we're good. We're good. We're good at empire. We're good at empire. Go try it on your own little-- No, no, no, no, and mind you, they're not little. Like, they came with their own machine, but it was like, if you're not happy, we don't want to keep you here. Like, if this was an idea that worked in concept, if it's not working in reality, then we're good. There's no slander that's not like that. Shake hands and be gone, baby. Tell me where you stand. And this is totally left field. Tell me where you stand on Derek Fisher and Matt Barnes. Let me tell you what happened. OK, so wait a minute. So Matt Barnes is lying on his dick. Right, it's his number one. And then he's been against lying on his dick before. Was digging out his wife? Ex-wife. Ex-wife. And then my man drove miles to confront him with them hands. Yeah. And were hands placed? Yeah. I'm trying to inform the people that don't know-- Who came up? Who came up on that? And they say that Matt Barnes came out on top of that one. OK, OK, so what's the question like? Where do you stand? Do you agree with that behavior from Matt Barnes? If you have an ex-wife-- What, you're lying on his dick or-- No, no, no. Defending his ex-wife's honor. Who you love with the dick? Well, I'm trying to keep him. I can't hear you. You guys started, you know what I'm saying? No, it's fine. You can randomly do it. I don't know if there's honor if she's having consensual sex with this person. Oh. So you're not defending her honor. She chose this. What I'm asking here-- Man, Joe, Joe, you know there's no rules in this shit. There's no rules in this love shit. You can't go beat up every one of your ex-wife's honor. There's no rules in this love shit, damn. Oh. I wasn't saying anyone's wife was a hoe. Yeah, we're not saying anyone's hoe. I'm saying, especially if she was a hoe. There's no rules to this shit. Like, if there's feelings, you don't know what the undercurrent is. You don't know what that situation is. It's his ex-wife. And who knows what his relationship is with Derek? Well, apparently, it's said that they were friends. And well, they were teammates. I don't know the degree of their friendship. That's kind of-- you know, that's kind of-- we were teammates, fam. Like, you know her. You knew her. That's my area, sir. And it was a rumor going around that Derek Fisher had done that to a few other people as far as-- That's violation of me. --they were all friends and exes. Geez. Listen, he's the coach of my team. I mean, that's all I care about is-- Because he's a coach, or I thought he was a player. And Derek Fisher is a coach who used to be a player. Yes. Don't you do our sports segment? Aren't you supposed to know these things? Listen, there's no rules to this shit. We all know there's no rules to this shit. As-- I mean, what do you think? Should you have fallen back? Like, there's no rules to this shit. I'm not going to beat-- well, I can't say that. Because at one point, I did go try to beat up somebody who was fucking with my ex. See? And when you look back, you're like, maybe I should have done that. But when you were in that moment, you were right. When you were in that moment, you were right, right? There's no rules to this shit. Was there something said that really sparked you to go do that-- Do you know what it is? --on her behalf or his behalf? You know how women, they often bring up shit that men, like, totally don't understand. They're like, you wouldn't understand because that's woman shit, like-- Yeah. At the time that this was going on, I felt like it was some undercurrent of man-- --fligerency, like-- There was some man laws being-- Like you didn't handle your business shit? Yeah. And I needed to go-- I needed to go corrected. If you're going to take this at least-- It wasn't about the girl. It was about the guy's motive with the girl. The girl was a pawn for him. And that happens. That happens a lot. That happens a lot in relationships. And I mean, some guys, I can empathize. Some guys are like, yo, you might be able to have that, but you're always going to remember this. Ask woman. True. This is the price you're going to pay for that relation. This is the cost of admission to that relationship. Yeah. Well, I could do. I mean, I can never really get mad at the gentleman if he's being quiet about it and respectful about it. But if you were dirty-macking behind, and my name was brought up to get this pussy, yeah, you might need to be held accountable for that. Yeah, man. But if you just fuck-- You have a dirty-macked-- No. There's an epidemic going on. I never-- It's disgusting. This generation of kids-- Which I don't understand, because at least grown women know or should know that if a man is bringing up another man to fuck you, you probably shouldn't have his dick anywhere near you. Well, the thing about men that dirty-macked this way, I don't know why they don't know that it always gets back. Always. Like, clockwork. It always comes back. I'm not sure why. I've never been that-- Because she's fucking you. I've never been that type of gentleman to try to get pussy or come up on somebody else's-- Somebody else's. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. That's just a bit off to you. You just own fucking policy. But there's a lot of things going on in this generation. Is this shit? I mean, I'm going on 19 years married next month. Jesus. How? Damn. I'm sorry. Wait, no, how did you do that? See, because you got, well, 19 years, well, you're in 2015. Uh-huh. See, that was when it was safe to be married. It was safe to get married. 96. I don't know. It seems a little bit-- How was 9? You're still 9. Yep. It seems a little more difficult to get married today in this generation for some reason. I mean, I don't know what it is with the attention span and fucking social media and Instagram and Twitter and Snapchat. I don't understand what that shit is. It's an instant gratification fucking society. So if you fuck something up, I'm not going to fix it. I'm going to just go get something better. And what's the attention span? Because what I've learned is that shit is a lot of patience. Yep. It's a lot of patience. And also, we were really fortunate because, you know, both of us are from Brooklyn. And her pops, it was a stand-up guy. So like, even when we had friction, he was like, y'all need to fix this shit. Oh, yeah. That's not happening today. That's just, you know what I mean? Like, no, it's not happening. Even then, I was red on. Because most pops are going to take their daughters' side. Yeah. He was like, y'all got to fix this. Y'all got to fix this. And I think family is a circumstance, like extended family, how they were raised. You know what I'm saying, how they understand, like, the importance of a family and kids. And, you know, so it really is a village, man. It's more than just the two individuals. Well, most of the women in this generation were not raised with that around them. Most of them were not raised, period. Most of them were not raised. Yeah, so this shit right here scares me. It's a bit different. It scares me, man. This shit is a mess. But you look like you having fun, though, man. I'm right. I'm not. But you're making it look like you have it in front. Y'all got to cut-- well, I'm not coming to your pool party. You and your wife could come in. Your wife could come in. You and your wife could come in. I was just watching a video from the 2012 one, man. Couples came and had a great time at the pool party. And couples were made at that pool party. Yeah. So you make it look-- I have a couple of therapy every day once they can be. So fun, man. Even you're paying an anguish. And I know it's even the same. It's the most fun. It looks-- because you're so sincere. You're so sincere, dude. I wouldn't say fun. You know what I'm saying? Regardless if you're wrong or you're right, you're so sincere. And that shit-- from afar, it's admirable. Admirable because a lot of these people are fuck boys in how they try to present themselves as something or not. Yeah, no, I'm bad at that. I'm bad. I can never present myself as someone I'm not. No, you can't. You just got to take me flawed and-- Yeah, slawful. And yeah. But I just want to get married. Now, actually, I was-- Are you ready to get married, though? No, he's not. Because that's a whole other thing. I would like to think that I am. Marriage for men is the hardest thing because as a man, I realize that we are the more selfish of the species. OK. And every day that goes by, you got to strip a layer of that shit off and try to get selfless. And that shit doesn't come natural. It's an effort. That shit is an effort. Yeah, but I think we got deep. I don't have much to say because I'm the super selfish. I'd like to think that I'm pretty selfless when I'm invested. I'm just not invested very often because I haven't met anybody to be invested with. And then what happens when they push those buttons? Oh, they got to go. They got to go. If I'm not invested. No, I'm saying if you're invested and they start pushing them. Because that's one of the truths. Because women-- Push buttons. We like to see what the buttons do. When tested out. To this day, 19 years later, she would push those buttons. And I'd be like, yeah, I'm about to push you out the motherfucking window. I had a woman try to explain to me recently that it would be nice if a man behaved not psycho or crazy, but teetering the line. And that would let her know that he cares. I think that's what women want to see. We want that nice color shirt. I don't understand the logic in that. I mean, it's how it's all. I think it's the animal kingdom still. And it's like, yo, how hard are you ready to go for this? Are you ready to fight for this shit? We love that shit. And I don't know if I'm going to give women that much credit. But that's your most vulnerable state is when you're that angry, and the way you react is typically who you are. In an instance-- I've had to fight in a club. I don't like it. I don't like it. Oh, that's nasty. But once I got through that level, it was like, OK, we're good now? We're good? Like, you know what I'm saying? I showed him how to do it. You know what you're talking to? You know how much we love that, like, yo, girl, he got so fucking mad. He was in a club fighting for my honor. OK, so when I-- Everybody's bae for you. Shut up. I think it was like 99. And I'm in the club swinging on somebody. And the whole legal community is like, yo, red went off. And she came home because they escorted me out. And I had just jumped in the castle. You shouldn't have done that. But the quality of our relationship shifted. Also, because she was like, you can go there. So maybe I feel safer around you. And you're scared to go there. Maybe I feel safe around you. You know what I'm saying? Like, even-- like, my wife is bad. Like, she's a bad chick. So when she's walking with me, she feels safe and comfortable. If cats are harassing her, I lose my shit. You know what I'm saying? Well, I always say, I've said for many, many, many years now that I do believe that women need to know that it can happen. Yes. And I think that's-- And you have that-- that take in you. But I mean, I guess it would be solely on the woman to not take advantage of that. Like, I've had chicks in past relationships where a chick is like, yo, I'm going to fuck your boy. And I'm like, I'm good. Well, see, that's when you go-- And that's what makes us-- That's when you go from safe. Because now I'm not really-- Because now that man can really hurt you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not vested. And they really want-- they want that security that you will go all out for them. Yep. That psychology is really-- I mean, but I'm still the belief that-- I'm still the belief that-- I used to be that way with my mother. My mom used to let me run the streets all hours of the night. It's like, mom, do you care? Like, what if I get fucking killed at 4 o'clock in the morning? Like, we want to know, even though I didn't want to curve you, I didn't want to have to be home at 10 o'clock at night. Like, Danielle had fucking curve you all the time. That's why you said we think you're home. Yeah, but I didn't like that. I felt that it seemed like she didn't give a shit what I was doing on the streets. So it's the same thing with a man like-- Streets of Fords. Right, shut up to Fords. It's the same thing with a man. I want to know that you're concerned that I'm going to be with you. Do you think there's another way to go about that, rather than-- I'm not saying swing on every man. No, no, no, no. I'm not saying I want to push his buttons every day. I don't want him to swing on every man that looks my way. Sometimes that's the most direct way. Show me some passion and that you're really invested. I guess my issue with that-- and I said this to the young lady I was speaking with-- is that I, for me, reciprocity is important. So to me, I know I don't want to see a crazy button. I don't want to see-- I don't want to see you act nuts. I want to peace of mind. I want serenity. I want tranquility. I don't want disruption. No, I tell you that. We all want that as well. That sounds really good. No, no, no, no, no, no. What the fuck are you-- We don't want a fucking turned up 24/7. We are fighting to the death, either. We just want to know or see, once in a blue, that there is a level that you will fight for me. Should that situation arise? Should something happen? I know that you are going to go that distance for me. And I feel secure with you. Let me ask you all a question. What do you think about the shit that Victor Cruz's fiance did? I don't like it. You don't like it? I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. And again, I don't understand the psychology behind it. Right. Now, I'm sure that there was a method to her madness. She added all these women in the group chat, sent this long soliloquita, basically said, hey, we're all fucking the same nigga, so let's get along. And fall back, bitches. Right, that's what it really was. I know y'all exist. OK, we've had this conversation about this. OK, but let's be very clear. Yeah, it was even-- When bitches want other bitches to fall back. Do they ever fall back? No, they never fall back. Now you're just making a conversation with each other. Unless they get step two, though. Unless they get step two, right? By the man. By the woman. No, by the woman. Oh, no, because now it's a competition. That wasn't step two. That was a one in shot. That was a passive, aggressive way. Oh, please. It wasn't a one in shot. Like, oh, no. She's not going to really step to them. And now to those girls that probably already really knew. It doesn't matter what he was telling them. Of course they know he's married. Yeah, they have two eyeballs. They see they use the internet. So now, to them, it's a competition. Now, let me show this, bitch. I still can one up her. You think that contact me got you something? Now, watch this. I'm going to still fuck him in tomorrow. You know what's really weird with women's ego? It only pertains to other women, because a woman will run back to an ain't shit man at any moment, no matter what he does to her. But the moment another woman mentions that he ain't shit, she'll pop off. It's on. Yeah. Which is the weirdest fucking thing ever. Why is that ego not consistent? I think that's like with everything, though, like, you could talk shit about a family member all day, the second someone else talks about you. Not even in that case. I think that's actually kind of dope, because it kind of, I've been in situations where me and my wife are not good. And then somebody will disrespect me and she's ready to go, because that's ride or die. Which I think is, isn't that what ride or die? Yeah, that's true. That's true. But where Victor Cruz's wife, and I wasn't there, should be posting her energy, should be within her marriage with Victor Cruz, not getting her ego back by saying, hey, bitches, I know about you. But I think sometimes- I think sometimes women have to step out and be like, listen, like, this, like, I think it was a, like, I'm crazy. I'm crazy. Like, I don't give a fuck. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of women or people period, getting messy on social media platform. Right. Right. That's a whole different- That was in her text box post. It was the, it wasn't on social media, right? That's the fucking post on social media. That's how we found out. Yeah, but the other girls posted it on her. That's a flagrant pause, man. What did he just pause? Text box. Of course. Sorry. That wasn't a total pause. Let me get that text box. Why was he pausing? Text box. Oh, come on. Grow up, Rory. Anyway. He has a teal shirt on. Have a teal shirt on. It is teal. It's a lovely color. It's a sky blue. I saw this- What's that text box? I saw that whole Victor Cruz ordeal on the internet. Right. Right, but that was the other girl. What do you think is going to happen when you text 200 bitches or have them any women it was and you think one of them is not going to clown you and put it online? As he said before though, like you're in the moment, this is right. This is right. I'm not thinking. I don't mean it's right. When I can hindsight, it ain't right. But in the moment, shit. In the moment it's right. It's still good. In the moment it's right. But let me ask you this. This may sound real fucking chauvinistic of me, but- No, Joe. Joe. Not Joe. I can't puns on the list. I did not. Right. Oh, we're still going to get to couple of times. Maybe someone had a reason to put them on the list. Listen. Damn. And now you guys made me forget where I was going to- Hashtag London Wednesdays. Oh, now do you think that Victor Cruz's fiance knew about this infidelity the entire time? What did I say? Maybe she signed up for this. Maybe they have an open relationship. I don't know, but women do have that intuition off the list. If you deal with the athlete and the rapper, do you think that- Actor. Actor. Someone there saying- Anybody in that field. I feel like I've heard- You're kind of signing up for that shit. Yeah, that's what I feel like. I'm not saying you got to accept it, but you are signing up for it. But as we talked about it with that, too, though, there might be levels to that shit. Like, don't ever let me find out about it or it's fucking on. And maybe he fucked up so bad that it was like, it's fucking on. She didn't find out about it. She went in this fucking phone. We don't know how she found out about it. Well, I'm just going to make shit up on this show. How about that? Okay. I want to bring up something you just brought up. I decided to bait today. Yeah. All right. Does it exist? Yes. Thank you, Dan. I'm not- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, I've seen like, I've- shit, I'm putting my shit all out. No, no, no, this is a good topic. Okay, so I'm glad you're welcome. I've met somebody. I met somebody once. Like, just like one day and I was like, oh, she's really cute. And then like two days later, she was at a party with me and my wife and like maybe 300 other people. And we're chilling and then that girl walks by and my wife is like, who is she? I was like, I just met her. I don't know her, but you know what I'm saying? She picked up on that shit. There was like at least 100 women in the room. She's like, who's that? That is your wife not normally behaved this way. She's not a sucker. You know what I'm saying? She's not- she's not riding me. You know what I'm saying? She's not like every day she's not going through the phone, but she does- as she calls, I'll do a spot check motherfucker. I will do a spot check every now and then. Spot check is important, I guess. Yeah, and but it just- it just- and like I said, I wasn't- I wasn't scheming or anything, but I was attracted to this woman. And she was like, you know, mad bad chicks in the room and she's like, who's that? But I'll wait a minute. I don't know if that's intuition as much as you guys have been together for 19 years. Yes. I'm dealing with women, for example, that I've been with for two years. Right. For me, intuition, even if I have a feeling like, hey, maybe- Yeah, trust your feelings. Maybe my significant other is cheating. Trust your feelings. I hear that. But my immediate reaction is not going to say, let me go accuse her. It's going to say, hey, let me try to find some evidence and some logic and then approach the correct way about it. That's logical. Yeah. But she knows- So women, the intuition to me is they have any feeling that just pops up in their head and they react on it. That's not intuition. So, in these instances where this person was reacting- This isn't a specific piece. It was acting unusual to me on intuition. Were they accurate? I've had times where they were. I've had times where they were. Okay. So it's- But I mean, that's just picking up on body language and behavior. I wouldn't say that's intuition. I believe that women's intuition exists. Yes. I don't believe that the majority of women know how to use it. That's what I think. Right. Like that instance that you just spoke of, I do believe that that was intuitive. It was- It was- I could explain that shit. I was like, yo. Well, yeah. It's one of those types of things. Did I move a certain way? Did I? You know what I'm saying? What was the tell? I've been in that circumstance before exactly with a woman and I'm like, oh god, that intuition exists. Yeah. How the fuck would she know? I just chirped off in front of this girl yesterday. She had no idea. Disgusting. Oh my god. Shut the fuck up, Marissa. It's not disgusting. It is. Um, listen. Yeah. So we're off base here. Are we done with women? Well, no, I do. I do. I've never done with women. We never done with women's. I've never done with women's. I've never done with women's. I've never done with women's. I've never done with women's. I've never done with women's. I've never done with women's. I've never done with women's. I've never done with women's. I've never done with women. I've never done with women. I didn't want you to come. So we went out there. How often do you gig, man? Do I gig? He's about to tour. Twice a week. Yeah. Twice a week. Oh, yeah. Go about it. I'm hosting. I started tour. I started tour in November. Nice. My New York date is November 9th. How many cities? I was about to say on the tour, we're doing 19, 20 something somewhere around here. I'm filming. And who's on the tour? Me. Just here. Me. Anybody opening up? Me. Okay. On some dates. I got my guy Trevor Rich opening on some dates and in local talent, depending on the city I want. Nice. And Squarespace just did the tour website. So I will put that in the bio of this where they can click and buy tickets. We have a whole Squarespace that a whole just for the tour website. And you know who's going to be doing Joey's beard? On the phone. No, we're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. Marissa, let Rory control the sponsor's segways, please. Get back full.com. See you later. I was. I was. I was. I was. When we were talking about podcast beef, I was going to interject. We were having a very good conversation. So I didn't. I was like, you know, it's the one thing between all this beef that we all get along with. Bev. You're a church. This is interesting. There's being real slick right now. Yo, they sent me, uh, I got my, my second case actually today. Look at my dad one and one. It's a fucking, it's like an iPhone. It's like, I shave. Why did you get two cases? This shit is ill. It opens up. The packaging is crazy. My dad's birthday. He should get one or I get my dad one. Why did you get two of these? Come on, man. You asking questions? Because he has mad. You don't want to. I got, I got a restock on my raises. I got, I got a call Tristan and get some of these, uh. The owner guy, Tristan. Yeah. Tristan walk us. Tristan walk us. This guy in Atlanta speaker networking knows Tristan. Yeah. Right. All right. We'll get back to, we'll do the plug correctly in a minute. Or incorrectly. Yeah. Long Island. It was me. Sorry. Sorry. We went to dinner. Me and some of my closest friends. Oh, yeah. I was fucking offended. I saw that photo. Can I get through a story? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. Thank you very much. Um, it was all men. It was all men. And one of the guys. Uh, you got to pussy. I do. So I hear. Hopefully. It works very well too. Listen, couples can't see. I got that. I can't be sure. You never know nowadays. We'll go with them. We'll go with them every 10 of the comments. That was a good episode, man. Yeah. My friends get a real kick out of me being on this show. No, that's B. That fucking GIF. Yeah. But people were like, I've read some article. They were like, like, like Joe buttons is so in tune and he's like the most forward thinking rapper. Where'd you read that? All I heard was this fucking line. I read it somewhere. Yeah. No, I read that too. Yeah. Oh, nice. Well, I'm glad. And I was like, you're like, you know, the advocate right now. I was pretty exacting a transgender girl. Get the fuck out of here. Well, for me, it's very normal. I mean, I'm not. Well, Kaitlyn saved you. Well, Barb, Tamper. Yeah. Come on. She took the blame. It's not a joke. It happened. Yeah. I know. That's Kaitlyn. Yeah. But for me, like, I'm not homophobic. I'm not transphobic. Like before you knew you wanted to tap that, but you were just a little taken aback. I'm going to clear that up, too. I got to because I did see an interview that the young lady Carmen did. Where she was speaking about the same thing, saying how I'm an advocate spokesperson for the transgender and accepting it over the shit and she said, yeah, so, and he wanted to tap it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's slow it down. In that particular scene, when I said, I wanted to tap you, I was referring to wanting to tap Kaitlyn to say, Hey, are you hearing this? Not. I wanted to tap. Yeah. But some people did. I thought that's what you. Some people took that as I wanted to tap you like, do you realize what's going on? Yes. Yeah. That's what I thought. Yeah. Two things. Come back, Jack. Hey, man. You know. You're looking for thinking, dude. Up until now. I'm not that forward thinking. Come back. Yeah. So up until now, you've thought Joe wanted to fuck a trainee. That's what I thought. Hey, that's intense. No, no. I thought he did not know either way. He didn't know. I thought he, you know, he was attracted to her physique. Oh, well, let me be clear, that nigga's fine. She. She. Well, she is fine. Thank you. But let me, let me perfectly clear and this is. We said that last week. If you don't know that this woman used to be a man. I don't know many men. You might get caught in the war. That's an unattractive woman because that's not an unattractive woman now. That's what she's an attractive woman. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Bottom line. Yeah. Yeah. Now I'm not inserting myself there. And that's not what I was saying there. I don't know. You're not getting inserted. You're not getting inserted. You just want to tap. You didn't want to. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. No worries. That's a long island. We're doing it. We're doing it. We're doing it. I did not want to see what that mountain did. Now this is when a poor should be happening. Hey, Bevel. Anyway, long island, you're hanging out with all these guys. There we go. Thanks for bringing it back here. I had a long island. You know what? Let's just talk about your long island. It was at iguanas. Next time it was great. So good. So good for you. Thank you. So you're in this club and is just men. And you perform. No, this was at dinner. We didn't win all that. She's dinner. We didn't even invite vagina. All men show. Because Friday. I was available. Because Friday was a release date for me. Me and my closest male friends went to dinner because as men that's not something that we typically do. Women do that often. Right. Where you get together, you go to dinner, you go have drinks. Men, we don't, like we don't travel and take trips together for whatever the reason be. We just don't do it. I always club. Yeah, we all went to my, we all went to my gig and it wasn't really the bestest of places and locations and DJs. Well, nothing wrong with Long Island. The venue was kind of. But the venue was a little suspect. The DJ was a little suspect, but we tried to, I was with all of my people and it was a joyous occasion. So we tried to have a great time. Now Michael Roar is here. All of a sudden I see three attractive young women walk right over to our table. Okay. And they were like, oh, Michael Roar, stay with Rory. I mean, Roar's honestly has a bad bitch most of the time. Well, these three were not with me. They were friends of mine that I brought for my friends to talk to the club. She was very attractive. She was not a stripper. She was a stripper. All right. Well, she wasn't, but go on. Stripper ish, stripper, Jason. But these three women were very attractive friends. They were friends. Friends, air quotes. Friends. And you say. And they were shapely attractive young woman. And then as the night progressed, some more friends of Rory's came and Roar's. So I looked at Rory and I said, yo man, I think I'm going to pass the torch down to you. I don't know if I want that you got the juice now. I don't have the juice. I think yours got the juice. I don't know the juice. He's not allowed to say. He's talking about Supat. Mottie. Mottie. Mottie. Mottie Mottie. Nicki Minaj. No. No. No. Do you do you use gas station herbal supplements? No. No. Those things are dangerous, man. I mean, no kidding. I didn't think those shits worked, but I mean, well, I will tell you there is one thing that I do do use that may have that may have invited all of these women to talk more about gas stations. I've got a really bad migraine from fucking with one of those ones. Taking gas station. What the fuck is a gas station so far? That is the shit that Lamar Odom OD don't. It never was? I mean, I'm assuming like herbal supplements. No. I had the spot. I'm sure. No. Listen. Don't eat gas station sushi. Hey, I think you're trying to talk this up from our ads. Gas station. You came in here to sabotage us. Dressed as a friend. What made you get all those bad bitches, roars? I'm currently using a new product called Bevel. Get out. It's Joe. Do you know anything about this? Well, I just so happened to love Bevel. It's amazing. I love Bevel too. No. We all love Bevel and this, oh, shit. Come on, Rory. What are you doing? The one and only something for coarse curly hair. The Bevel. The superior shitting system for people with coarse hair. Here we go. That's how it's supposed to go. I was close. It's technically proven to reduce and prevent razor bumps, discoloration, and irritation. And there's a reason that nine out of 10 Bevel customers come back month after month. After month. After month. What'd you say? What happened to the 10th? Shut up, Marty. Up to 80% of black men and women and Marissa struggle with razor bumps to 30% of all men and women encounter razor bumps as well. Multi-blade razors only cause more irritation of razor bumps while hair removal creams are messy. You can leave burns. This Bevel razor uses a single blade which cuts hair above the skin, not beneath. So you can avoid painful and groan hairs. I know if you like me, you hate painful and groan hairs. Now say someone wants to buy this product and maybe wants a discount code. Well, it's funny that you mention that, Rory. All they would have to do is go to getbevel.com. Let me spell it out for you, ladies and gents, G-E-T-B-E-V-E-L.com. Let me put it in the promo code, Joe. Not combat. No. Joe. Joe. It's all the same shit. It's all the same shit. Not now, promo code, J-O-E. Yeah. Shout out to Bevel. I'm wondering why I didn't get my second package like Rory got, what are you saying? 'Cause I promoted on Twitter too. So? You do do a lot of promo on Twitter. That's smart. You do. Hey Bevel, my dad wants one. You got called Tristan. Yeah. You'll tell Tristan to call me. We don't even have Tristan's number. We gotta go to the left. Hey, friends with Tristan. I'm not friends with Tristan. Are you? I've never met him. Well, you talked to him, right? No. I spoke to one of his representatives via email. Damn. You ain't shit. Jack, who is your... Do you have a football team? Uh, yes. Who is your football team? I like the Giants. Oh, so you must have been heartbroken at that game. Yes, I do. Right? I don't... The Giants don't typically do well on Monday night. No, they don't. They don't. Right? They don't really against the Eagles that much. The Eagles won. They always have good games. Eagles won. They started out strong. Shout out to Michael Cores. They didn't get down hill. Yeah, but the Eagles suck. They certainly suck. They probably do. The Eagles suck. I mean, the Giants were riddled with injuries. Yes. Like, all up and down the team, but I still felt like they should have won for some reason. Did Odell play? I mean, they had the momentum in the beginning of the game, and then once that bar got intercepted, it was like... Odell played, but he was injured also. Yep. Yep. He's not playing at full capacity. Yeah, at all. I don't know what's going on with Victor Cruz. The Reuben Randall was hurt as well. Flowers is still playing hurt. Yep. Yep. Prince... I don't even think Prince played. No. He didn't. He didn't play. Yeah. I should have picked the fucking Eagles in that game. But anyway... But you... I mean, would you pick the Eagles? What? Well, what I do, I'm in a weekly pool, right? Where we... Fandool? Fandool! Fandool. Well, no, not Fandool. Oh, shit. Lift it up. No. No, I play Fandool too, but me... Fandool is great. This is a weekly pool where we kind of bet against the point spread. And I think the point spread was four in that game, if I'm not mistaken. The Eagles were getting four. Yeah. That would make more sense. And I took the Giants. Yeah. And it was horrible. But anyway, speaking of Fandool, Devontae Freeman, his price is going up weekly. Yeah. I was thinking that. I was definitely thinking that. Shut up, Reuben. He's been going crazy. I won a couple of dollars this weekend. I won't disclose my team because I don't need people to know my... Yeah. I mean, I get down out there and eat Fandool's treats, but... You should definitely check it out. If you want to play against me in Fantasy Football this weekend, enjoy my league on Fandool. It's really easy. You just head to Fandool.com/buttonbudden. You pick your players. Stay under the sale of your cap and sit back on Sunday and watch your team record points. That's Fandool.com button to join my league. Fandool is the leader in one week fantasy football with more winners and more payouts than any other site. You're paying out over $75 million a week this football season. So yeah. Oh, they also add $200. Oh, yeah. They do add $200. Thank you. Come back. Here we go. Go to Fandool.com/button-to-join. Like you've done this week, it's $5 going in first place, wins $200 cash, the top 40 teams, all can win cash. So yeah. Go ahead and do that, man. Eli. Oh, Eli's another one. He let me down. He let me down. He let me down. It's a value. He let Eli for a good price. Price out there. No spandools. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what else I want to do? What? You know what else I want to do? Congratulations. Congratulations. Oh. Yeah, man. I love the artwork, man. Who did this, man? Who did this artwork? Well, I actually reached out to an artist who did the "Wale Ambition Cover" in the ninth Wonder album cover. She goes by the name of P.S. I'm dope. And she hand-drew that entire thing. I've seen it. We spent countless hours. Getting that shit together went through a thousand different prints. Shout-out to her. She did a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful job. This is a precious cover, man. Yeah. And we set out to make it an actual piece of art. And I think we achieved that. Yeah. Shout-out to her, man. She's dope. If you didn't see the "Where Do We Go?" clip that's online, you can check that out as well. That's actually her doing the mural. I think it's her. You can check that out as well where that's actually her doing the mural on the side of that Trenton backdrop. So Joe, man, how does this podcasting fit into the rest of your career? Has this become like an integral part of your career right now? Are you wed to this thing? I am. I am. Which is funny. It didn't start that way. I knew I wanted a platform to be able to speak about various things. Right. Because you need a platform. Yeah. You need a platform. Yeah. I was very naive. I was very naive to audiences of podcasts. I really didn't fully understand what a podcast was, what it meant. But once I got engulfed, I love it, man. And the thing about you is your fans, your followers are really devoted to you. Yeah. And I don't think there's a better mechanism that allows you to tap into them as intimately as the podcast does. Yeah. So I think this is, like I said, when I heard you were doing the podcasting, I was like, this, because podcasting isn't for everyone, but for you, I was like, yo, that shit is dope. It's difficult to get someone to listen to you for an entire hour and take some talent. I still can't believe people listen to our shit because to me, it's like we're just talking, but I mean, it's resonating, man, and people need content that really speaks to them. Yeah. But what I think you do really well at interviewing is you let the person speak. That's not what my audience, my audience is like, stop fucking interrupting. Well, no, because you're giving conversational points, not interview questions more or less. But I see a lot of interview people, especially in radio and online, that just want to hear themselves fucking talk to a rapper and nothing gets done out of it. He's literally just listening to them hear themselves talk. I didn't want to hear that at all. What do you think of Rap Radar's podcast? It's good. Oh, yeah. He hates them. Oh, no, no, no, no, I think, you know, I mean, Elliot has been really working to find a vehicle to really perpetuate his brand. So I think this. Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack. That's a longer talk, Jack. Everyone talks to everyone. Everyone talks to everyone. So politically. I think it's good. My only concern overall is, so you guys joke about us being corporate, but CBS is really corporate. Yeah. So that's really my concern. What that corporate, you know, presence in this really fragile and small ecosystem is going to do. Oh, that's valid. That's a valid concern. Yeah. Yeah, man, I don't know how involved CBS is. I know I went up there to do their podcast, but I didn't even really ask about it. I just told them, I like the way that you and all your fucking guests look when you'll take the goofy picture. But it looks really powerful. It looks really powerful. Right. I like what you're doing out there. It's like a cool fucking picture in front of that gumball machine. Nah, probably not. The gumball machine. It's really lit up. Yeah. Fill it up with some gumball. Well, we don't have guests. They, they, the Rap Radar, they have a guest like every fucking. Well, combat Jack kicked it off. We about to just, we about to be lit every week from now on. No, no. We are pocketed. Yeah, we don't need it. Let me tell you. Don't, don't get dependent on guests. We never have. We never have. Don't do that because I'm telling you from experience, like we used to not have guests and we had a following and then the shit blew up when we had guests and it's like, sometimes you don't get guests. And it's like that shit is nerve-wracking on top of having to deliver a show. No, we don't, we've. How many guests? How many guests have we really had guests? No, we've literally never really had guests. We've had a couple of like girls have like a good interview. So this is, this is really the few, the few times we have guests. Our fans hate them. Next, they just go back to the three of them. We had like Steph and Yesh Jules. People like Steph. People like Steph. Yes, Jules was mixed. We had, you called Royce to five nine, I don't know if that really counts. It wasn't a guess. We called Ty Dolla sign. I like Ty Dolla sign. Me too. Do you really like him? Yeah. I'm excited about his album. Don't get her started. Fuck you, Danielle. She follows him all over the country. Really? Yeah. Literally, I'm like his biggest fan. He's very underrated. About a year and a half ago. Somebody's rating him. Somebody's giving him press. Somebody's giving him press. No, no, no, no. Calm down, Stanley. About a year and a half ago, his label was like, "Can you do us a favor and have him on the show?" And I was like, "All right." And he came on. I really didn't know about paranoid in the whole nine. And I think we had him off for like 15, 20 minutes and then after that, his shit took off. Took off and it's just like, I love at least encountering somebody when they're starting this shit and seeing the whole progression of their career. I'm really impressed with that with that kid man. He's a great song maker. Yeah, and he plays all these instruments. He's a dog. I'm a body and he comes from a family family. Yes father was in the lake side. Yeah, I'm excited for his project. No, but 13th, 3TC and so I want to hear that brandy James Fonzeroy in title. That's the first record on the track list. His song. He just put out was kind of good too. It's kind of like, I mean, it's not that, but it's like another radio hit. And we're all his birthmarks. Tell us. Since you're just going to give us random tie dollar sign facts. Oh, yeah. His family has a house at it. Lake by his father was a musician in the lake side. All right. Right. And his brother is like, what are you listening to right now, man? All of us in stores now. You ever heard of both of? Yeah. What? (laughing) - I heard you finish that too. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, both of these. (laughing) - That's where I was going. - Nah, some motherfucker caught me out there about eight months ago with the Bofa. - Yeah. - And I was like, never again. (laughing) - What am I listening to? - Yeah. - Um. - Someone got me with tip one. - I've been listening to a lot of like, alternative style music, like, they really mean with this Calvin Harris, um, uh, Diplo. - Diplo. - And I've been in that zone. - It's a good space to be in, man. - Yeah, and I'm getting familiar with a lot of the artists that make those records, 'cause there's so many records that you're familiar with 'cause you're out in the club, but you have no idea who makes these songs. So I've been doing a lot of that recently. Normally I'm a R&B rock 'n' roll guy. I'll sprinkle some hip hop in here and here, but. - Where's rock 'n' roll right now in 2015? Who's doing it? - Oh, no, I'm not current. Not current rock 'n' roll. - Like old, like old? - Yeah, old old. - Like who? - ACDC. - ACDC, so you like loud. - The Metallica. - Oh, Korean. - Korean, okay. - I like Korean. - Korean. - I like Korean. - I don't know if you're making a couples therapy joke, but I do like Korean. - I really do too. - Oh, okay. - Couples therapy. - Amazing voice. - That'd be at least, yeah. - Meatloaf? - Oh, yeah. Anyways. - I like meatloaf. - I like meatloaf. - Pink Floyd. - Pink Floyd's my favorite. - Pink Floyd's my favorite. - Pink Floyd's amazing band of all time. - Rightfully, so. - Yeah. - Pink Floyd's amazing. - We're doing some Beatles. - Oh, all the old shit. - Yeah, all the old shit. I don't know where current rock and roll is today. - Does it exist? - I don't really think it's-- - I think rock and roll is, I mean, does it, really? - I think it's more than an absorbance of pop. - When a maroon fires be considered rock and roll. - Oh, no, no, no. - Oh, no, no, no, no. - Is that from Rock? - I'm trying to pinpoint what it would be considered. - Star about them as much as pop, star. - Does Kid Rock, yeah, like, is he? - The Rockabilly hip-hop trader kind of likes. - Yeah, I don't know if there's really rock and roll. - Is Kid Rock active currently? - Yeah, he just did a long machine on Kelly. - Yeah. That's not rock and roll. - I mean, okay, I don't know. - Yeah, I don't think that's rock and roll. Damn, yeah, very good question. Now I'm gonna go and see if I can find some rock and roll. - Yeah, I think rock is officially, I mean, from what I understand, it's officially dead. - That's great. I'd never fucking thought of that. - Yeah. - Wow. - Rock and roll can't be dead. - I mean, it's a little bit of a chase. - It's become a niche genre, in a sense. - Somebody out there is doing that shit, somebody. - I mean, like a lot of genres, it fuses a lot. - We don't, I mean, you used to know that you knew when-- - When calling out, it's like someone, yeah. - Was dropping some shit, even if you didn't listen to them in town. - Was corn rock? - Corn was a heavy metal rock. - Heavy metal rock. - Heavy metal rock. - Heavy metal rock. - Heavy metal rock. - Was probably-- - Yeah. - Was probably the last biggest. - Amazing shit. - Yeah. - I wanna do some research on that. - Yeah. - That's interesting. Did you say that? - Amazing. - Because rock and roll was always that genre that just could never die. Because all of their legendary acts, you know, they could always just tour and-- - But it got subsumed. - Which, they can still do. - But it got, I think, you know, it got subsumed. - You gotta breed new. - Under the weight of hip hop. - But that's scary, is that what's gonna happen to hip hop though? - Because hip hop, of course. - Because that's what rock and roll was what our parents used to get in trouble for by their parents. - Right. - That was the shit they don't want to listen into all that shit. - Of course, it's gonna happen to hip hop. - Yeah. - Of course. You already see hip hop morphing and changing and-- - With them a lot again. - And so my kids at 18 and 19 don't understand-- - What it was. - Like pre-Kanye shit. Like they don't understand-- - Jesus. - The Nas and the J's. - No, well they, under they respect J, they respect Nas. They don't understand all that gun-clap shit. They don't understand that biggie kick in the door or two pog, they don't understand that shit 'cause that's not their reality right now. I was getting clapped like that amongst their peers. You know what I mean? So it's like they're into the fucking Travis Scott and all that other shit. - The melodic shit. - The melodic shit. - Yeah, but you know what, Alana, and I love Travis Scott's album as well. - And she opened up that window. - Yeah, yeah, that's fine. - You know, it is dope. - Lit. - But it's not hip hop to me. - I mean, it's not, it's worth it. - It is hip hop. - Explain it to me. - I mean, that's like saying African-Bambata soul-sonic force wasn't hip hop. - How's that? - That's a false equivalent. - They wanted it. - They wanted it. - It was melodic, they were singing, they weren't spitting rhymes, it was all melodic. And this shit was electro as shit. It was electro, it was the most non-hip hop, hip hop record of all time. - That shit is craft work. That shit is like Tronica. That's EDM, pre-EDM. - Okay, I think this is creative. I think, I agree. When did, what year did that record come out? - That record came, I wanna say '82. - All right, what? - Through the formative years, and even then, it was like, that shit is not rap, but that shit is rap. - But that, you're leading to my point. - Yes. - In the formative years. - Right. - I think you would be able to make that record. I don't think we really had an identity in-- - But every generation brings in their identity. Every generation brings in their identity. Like, that first wave was motherfuckers from the '70s with fucking warrior jackets. And then that shit morphed into, motherfuckers trying to look like parliament. And then it morphed into Run DMC. And then it morphed into everything. - NWA. - In '82, you wouldn't say NWA was hip-hop. 'Cause that shit was so counter-culture in terms of the annihilation of your fellow man. And you couldn't predict that we would go that far. You understand what I'm saying? Or native tongues. - Okay. - You know what I mean? So as the, you know, soldier boy, I used to be the old man saying soldier boy is not hip-hop until I saw my kids dancing to that shit. And I was like, oh, that's hip-hop for them. And that really shifted my change, my stance in terms of how I accepted new hip-hop. - It's not rap. - But they, I mean, it is rap. - No, it's not. - It is rap. - That's a good thing, no, you can say it's not rap, it's hip-hop. - And I think, all right, I misspoke earlier. - Right. Okay, so it's hip-hop, but it's not rap. - It's not rap music, but it is hip-hop. And hip-hop, you can have that fusion of John Rousin, sounds, and you don't have to, like, it's just different. It's different. So now, what happens when, like you said, it's evolving, that is what everyone is doing currently. - Evolving, devolving, whatever. - Yeah, whatever word you wanna use, but what happens when the majority, when that's all it is? So maybe rap music, guys. - Then it goes to something else. - I mean, everything-- - But then there would be no rap music. - Everything dies. - No. - Everything changes. - And then it gets a rebirth. - Everything changes, dude. - Jesus, that's depressing. - I know, you know what that's-- - Everything dies. - That's what it's all to do! - Jesus, that shit. - All right, well, you gotta think everything dies. - You gotta think, like, early to mid-2000s, it was the snap era. You still had your little brothers in your slum village, but it was snap music that was on the radio that was a popular billboard stuff. - Yeah, D4L. - It then went back to having people like a J. Cole or a Kendrick or even gonna put Drake in there, lyrical rappers being the forefront. It left and came back. It could very well do that again. - But then again, you gotta remember, like, you gotta understand, I remember when there was no rap. So rap for us was James Brown. - Damn you old. - Parliament. Yeah, I am old. I'm the fuck of Delic. - Yeah. - Disco, and that shit was hot. You can tell me that shit was butter, and then hip-hop, it was just a natural progression. You know what I'm saying? One day there was no hip-hop, but the next day, everything was hip-hop. - Hip-hop, hip-hop. - Oh, no, man. I'm not willing to say that that Travis Scott is a rap album. - But he's rappin' on there, too, though. - I mean, he does rap him, yeah. - He's rappin' on there. I mean, he's got, he's, him and-- - I've got Trish songs album where he's rapping. - Him and Kanye are throwing bars back and forth. - Chris Brown's album where he's rapping on. - It's funny that I'm back here to have that conversation. - Chris Brown. - Yeah, Chris Brown. - He's bloodin' it. - This is getting my album. - I was gonna reply to you on Twitter 'cause you, I think, retweeted me by accident. I said I'm watching Dave Chappelle Block Party. Damn, I really miss hip-hop. And I think it was you that reply had said, but it's still alive. - Yes. - And I then thought about it and I was like, all right, I misspoke because I don't think hip-hop is dead, but that was around the time when I was 13, 14, and I was really coming into myself in the music that I loved. So I just gravitate and my nostalgia is like, holy shit, I remember most quality early Kanye. That's what I loved. So I misspoke when I said I was like, nah, 'cause I don't think hip-hop is dead. - And as the old man in the room, I gotta be vigilant against that because I see a lot of my peers from my generation. Ah, the shit is whack. - Everyone's gonna fill that way though. - Not everyone. - I used to, I went through a phase like that. Years, years, years ago, I wanna stay around that, who killed hip-hop, '06, '07, '08, where I was just, I was the old angry guy and everything changing around me. - The Nas album. - I'm not there today. Like, today I can appreciate things for what they are. Like, I enjoy Fetty Wamp. I enjoy the Travis Scott album. Like, all these things that maybe would have never flew in the 90s and the era that I fell in love with this shit during, but today I can appreciate it. - So my father-in-law, who's passed away, he passed away about six years ago, was an accomplished songwriter. He had hits in the '50s and the '60s. He won a Grammy for writing and producing with Luther Vandross' love power. And he comes from, he comes from an older era, but whenever I would drive with him in the '90s, he would keep his radio locked to Hot 97. - This is the guy that used to like, mend when you and your wife would fight. - Yes, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I would be like, I think I remember one Christmas I gave him like a Nat King Cole album and he was like, "What the fuck are you doing?" Like, I lived that era. Like, you're trying to get me old. And he wasn't trying to be young. He was just, his mind was stimulated by how music was changing. And he stay, like, we would have conversations about ether and takeover. And you know what I'm saying? And this is, he's probably in the '60s, '70s at the time. But he was like constantly, and he kind of taught me, like, "Yo, don't ever think you're too good for new shit." - Yeah. Yeah. - I mean, don't jump in it. Don't, you know, dress like these young cats, but don't ever think your era was better than the era that's. I mean, and there are pros and cons, there's arguments about that shit, but don't ever think that today's music, whatever today is, is completely trash. 'Cause that's when the aging process really kicks in. 'Cause you're not really living to move forward, you're living to live in the past. - What do you stand on on a takeover, either, by the way? - So, to me, Jay-Z is goat. But he got ether. - He did. And that's why that's still a term to this day. - Okay. - I mean, and there's so many different levels. Like, takeover was the nail in the coffin for Naz. Because it was all factual. It was like, he bodied. Naz was, it was in the fucking coffin. We were like, yo, son died. And son fucking came out of the grave. - I think that's why people would choose either. - Yeah. - It was unexpected. - Unexpected. - And it was mom's safter, like. - And it was sloppy, too. It was like, takeover was fucking perfection. It was like darts, like fucking precision aimed darts. - How far between was it with the two? - About three, four, five months. - I remember where I was when I first heard ether. I don't remember takeover. - Ether, ether was like a drunk man, sloppily, busing a master's ass. You know what I mean? It was just sloppy and just raw. And it was just like, oh, he's connecting. - Woke up and sleeping giant. - And it changed, it really affected Jay-Z for the rest of his career. - Yeah. - And we got one of the better Nas albums. So I can thank Jay for that. - Thanks, Jay. - And I enjoy the Jay-Naws collabs. Black Republicans success. - I like success a lot. Black and publican, I'm like, no, I can't do it. - That was exciting. - Oh, no, I remember. - Like, when it came out, we got hip-ups. That was the first record everyone went to. - It might have been better in my head than it actually was, but it was an event. - Oh, yeah. It took three minutes for them to start laughing. - There's a fan pair of it. - Yeah, for some of you younger listeners, it was a point in time where Jay and Nas, being on the same record, was just a hip-hop dream. - Yeah, I was at that concert, B. - Oh, yeah. - Oh, they came, yeah, that shit was crazy. - Electric, I'm sure. - That shit was crazy. - I would have been confused. - Yeah, today. - Oh man, let me not get on my fucking old man. - Back in the day, you went. - Just to close this topic, what is scarier? This past generation of hip-hop, where it was the drug dealer, my Fioso, Carrie Guns, Bottles, Jewelry, or this generation where you are now encouraged to become the addict. What is more terrifying and more detrimental do you think to a society? - I mean, it's- - Because both, I think, reflected the actual time. - I don't think you can say, I mean, it's all youth music and there's always that underside to youth music and whatever generation. Like rock and roll was LSD and heroin, you know what I mean? So it's just a wave. I mean, we talked about cocaine, like in the 80s, cocaine was hot. You understand what I'm saying? Like cocaine was hot. So I don't think you can say, I mean, I think for the most part, shit is so much more sterile and safer now than it's ever been. - Um, I know. - No? - You don't know what your molly be cut with sometimes. - That's true, but my fuckers were getting shot everywhere. - Yeah, compared to back in the day, but I mean- - You encouraged to carry those things. - Yeah, losses should have since stopped situations like that. - I mean, we were designing clothes with stash pockets for your heater. - My problem today is that every time somebody drops dead from an alleged overdose, they never tell us exactly what this person died from. - Right. - Now, the mixtures of certain drugs is detrimental and fatal. - Yeah, fatal combination. - Pempsy, we still don't know what happened. - Right, right, right. - A.M., we still don't know what happened. Like, yams, we still don't know what happened. Like, so I mean, there's people out there and we encourage- - But then our generation, Jam Master J, you still don't know what happened. - Right. - Biggie, you still don't know what happened. Tupac, I mean, it was a whole different- - But it was- - Yeah, we're coming up like Jam Master J too. - Yeah. - But my thing with that is if you were encouraged by a rap record, which I don't really think people are, you're obviously a product of your environment, if you're going outside and hearing someone talking about shooting people and selling drugs, you can walk out to your block and realize, I'm not built for this. You could walk to a party today and easily pop three fucking Mollies, no problem. - And drink some lean. - I think people went to their block and realized they were not cut out for that, more than people that did. But I think anyone can go out and do these drugs and do all these things that Future is saying in Dirty Sprite too. - But not necessarily. - Not everyone can do. - Some people realize they're scared of that shit. - Not everyone can live a mob deep infamous album. - It depends how the kids live. - It depends how the kids live. - Right. - Because I wouldn't touch a drug with a 10-foot pole. - And once again, once again, we're talking about how these kids are rooted. Is it family? 'Cause if these kids are enruded, then anything is an influence to them. - Right. - But that's always been the case. - I know that you bring up that infamous album. That made me want to go stand on the corner and sell drugs. And I attempted to do that. And that is when I realized that dealing drugs wasn't for me. - It stabs your brain with your nose bone. - So I'm saying no. - Oh my God. - You went out and realized I can't live that infamous album. You know how easy it is to go out and live a Future album and how bad that can end up for you. - Yeah, and you could get wiped out and be like, I'm not fucking with that shit ever again. I mean, life is trial and error. - What do you rank that infamous album? Top 30 album all time? It's my favorite album, Abolta. - I know a few people, it's in their top five. - Man, you know. - I have this conversation with Crooked Eye, who's in my group. - It had to be top 30, top 30. Like it was a seminal album. And I rate albums, not necessarily on how great they are, but how many times I played them. And I could not stop playing. When that shit dropped, I could not stop playing that shit, man. - I have this talk with Crooked Eye within my group all the time about the infamous album. And he only says that we wasn't fucking with that on the West Coast, like that wasn't the way it hit y'all. It didn't hit us, so I personally, him can't put it as a top 20 album. And I'm like, what the fuck, what a great example. - Did he have an example? - Did he have an original difference as playing a part? - Did he have an example of an East Coast album that did hit them like that? - He may have, but I don't want to misquote him. I don't want to misquote him, 'cause I can't remember it right now. - Well, the infamous is my favorite hip-hop album all the time. - Really? - Ever. - Do you want to rank NWA in New York? - Would you rank NWA straight out of common New York? - I can't, I wasn't born. - I think Niggas for Life is for us to period in, straight out of common. - Mm. - 'Cause, you know, just as-- - I know a few people don't believe that, too. - I mean, no, sonically, like, they had to step up. - Did it have such a huge impact over here as it was over there? - Yes. - Yeah? - I mean, West Coast had, I mean, once the ascension of, you know, chronic and NWA and Snoop, like we were following them for a while until big kind of shifted the trend. - Yeah, then, no, that's a big follow, yeah. - Man, I wish I was wrong for that shit, man. - But that was a great, that was a great-- - Then you'd be old like me, right? - I know. - Right? - I don't know. - And you wouldn't be doing zannies on the weekends. - I don't do that. - Getting that big! - Dude, I get that, but I don't do that. - She would have got it back then, too. - I couldn't stay straight out of common with us. - I couldn't stay straight out of common with us. - I couldn't stay straight out of common with us. - No, I mean, it was a ground-breaking album, but it was-- - I don't know, it's straight out of common with us. Straight out of common is not better than America's most wanted to be. - No, not at all, not at all. - I mean, we just shifted. It was like, oh shit. They're talking about gats, and they're cool, and they have Jerry cool. - Yeah, they changed, yeah, yeah. It was impactful and changed, you know, like-- - And it changed the language 'cause I was gats. No one ever said gats. - Yeah. - No one ever said gats in New York. No one, we didn't know what the fuck a gat was. - We don't get that anymore. - So we had to sit and study their language, and then we started like chronic? What the fuck is chronic? - That's crazy. - You smoke a weed, you smoke an herb. - Yeah. - Damn, we don't get that anymore. We know all of that shit already, 'cause we have the internet. We have like, we'll never get that experience of what it is. - No, like fleek now for y'all. - Fleek? - Right? - Yeah. - Isn't like future still, like, isn't he changed? - No, he's not showing us nothing. We didn't know though. Like, we've heard of Lean. He's glorifying it more, making it more cool. - Purple activist. - But we're not googling. We're not trying to figure out what this is. We know what you're talking about. - We're not going to go get it. - Yeah, we can't-- - I mean, you know what kind of Google is any here? - You know who changed it? Migo changed a lot of shit. Like, what the fuck was a bando? - That's true. - You know what I'm saying? - I did ask what a bando is. - I was like, yo, one day I was like, let me use my Google to see what a bando. Oh, that's what a bando is. - I just start gave us Googles. - Yeah, yes. So I mean, it still happens. - It does. - Yeah. - And I think-- - I think it's a smaller scale though, but that is because we're less-- - Because it because we're so flooded. - We get so much information now. - I have to ask you, just 'cause of Keith Murray and Frederick Storey. You had him on the show. - Yes. - What were your thoughts of that battle? - Um, Keith Murray bodied himself. - He bodied himself. - Fred Roach wanted to see him on the show. - And Keith bodied himself. Like, I mean, he admits it himself. Like-- - Oh, does he? - Yeah, he's like, "Yeah, you know, I took my medication and I threw me off." - Yeah, it was interesting for me to see Keith Murray on the B.T. cipher. - Right. - Um-- - It seemed just fine. - He seemed perfect with a lyrical beast. - He seemed like the Keith Murray that, you know, I always know. - But then again, maybe he underestimated the whole-- - Fred Roach. - Fred Roach. - Or just was very comfortable in his lyrical prowess because, you know, he had, you know, no one thought Fred Roach could possibly win 'cause Fred Roach was never known to be a lyricist. - The rapper had a lyricist. - Yeah. - Like, on a level of a Keith Murray. - Yeah. - Yeah, no, two completely different ballparks. - Yeah. - But he won. - He won, yeah. - I like to see them try that with Keith in his right mind. - Yeah, or Red Man or-- - No, no, no. - Red Man would clean up-- - Certain people would just leave alone. - Yeah, but I'm saying, but that's the crudo. It's Eric Sermon, Red Man and Keith Murray. - I'm away, but Nick is no to leave Red Man alone. - Yeah, yeah. - Ready to do that? And in 2015, do they still know to leave Red Man alone? - See, I'm always confused when people ask these questions. Anyone knowledgeable knows. - Anyone know. - Um, there's a lot of people that, you know-- - But then, but before, before this happened, you would probably say, everyone knows to leave Keith Murray alone, right? - Mm. - Yes? - No, two different behaviors. - To a lower degree. - Right, to a lower degree, but let's do. - But yes, yeah, you would think that. - Yeah, you would think that. - Yeah, but we know that Keith, you know, sometimes you catch him-- - Yeah, some little news, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Red Man, I mean-- - He spit high. - I've heard in my lifetime, one time that Red Man has got cleaned up, and that was when cannabis was cleaning everyone up. - Yes. - On beast from the east, when cannabis had that 70 bars at the end, and still Red Man's verse was amazing, but Red is one of them niggas that, you know, Red is M's favorite rapper ever. He's just that, he's one of those guys, so his pen is just unmatched. It was good to see that he could still go that way when I watched the awards. - Which new cats do you appreciate their pen game? No, no, no, no cats. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. New was in like freshman new? - Like, this generation, like. - That's like, cold, cold, Kendrick. - Cold, Kendrick. When Drake is rapping, I fuck with him. I like Sean's pen, Big Sean, I like Walay's pen. - Sean is crazy, right? - Yeah, I like Walay, Big Sean. As far as just their pen. - Pen, yeah, there's a pen. - Who else is there? - Pusher, but we haven't seen Pusher in a while, but Pusher's in the game. See, I don't put Pusher in this new class. - Really? Okay. - Of, yeah, he's-- - I mean, he was around. - He's clipped. - He's tried, he's he's he's. - Yeah, grind, and I put him with this new crop. Who else is new out here? - Kanye is still, he's too old for this group. - He's a post-host. - I don't put him there. - Yeah. - Logic. - Logic. - Logic. Logic is another good one. - Logic is great. - Logic is another good one. - I mean-- - MGK. - And I don't think people think of pen when they think of MGK. - He's an amazing lyricist. - I did not say that he wasn't-- - Great energy and great music. - I think people more so look to MGK for his energy. I don't think you automatically go right to wow, what a pen. - And I haven't really sat to-- - Well, that's why. - Absorb as well. - But I will say, am I going to a Logic show or MGK show? I'm going to MGK show. - Right. - 'Cause I know it's gonna be crazy. - Yes. - Well, nothing to take away from Logic's performance, but he's definitely more of a lyrical pen rapper than MGK is. - Yo, you know who keeps surprising me with their consistency, man, and he shunned his whiz, man? - Yo, whiz was fucking wrong. - You got to give whiz a consistency card. - Like, did you hear, you've heard the king of everything? - Yeah. - Shit is dope. Like, he always pulls a dope record out of nowhere. - Yeah, and I think that's what he's to be applauded for. I was just saying this recently, that whiz will always have one. - Always. - Always. - Never failed. - He's a good, like he's a good hit maker. And you don't even remember until you go to the show. - Yeah. - And he's just dope. - And you're still into every fucking song. You're like, "Oh, that's a song, too." - He's been doing "Latsons, Black and Yellow." - Yeah. - It's dope, for real. - Since before. - Right. But on a main shit level, we would know, yeah, or cushion orange juice juice juice. - Yeah, cushion orange juice juice. - You know who's the king of going to a show and you go, "Holy fuck, fab." Or, you don't realize how many hits fab has had. - Enough of me. I'm very real. - It's just very a reminder when you go to his show, how many hits and how long this guy has been in this rap game. - I had that moment with Fat Joe. - Fat Joe has. - Like an '07 away. - Fat Joe was, if Fat Joe was to just, if you just go down his whole list, which I was able to see him do live, it was like, "God damn it, this guy's doing everything." But flow Joe up this moment. - That's how I feel about Wayne. - I mean, Wayne. - Yeah, but that's not a sneaky discography at all. - But that is one of those, like he goes. I'm from that generation where I, when I was kind of hating rap, I never got to appreciate Wayne. - Really? - I never got to appreciate Wayne. - One of my favorite artists. - And then when people started making comparisons to like, Wayne and jazz, like I'm doing that. - Now I'm really done. Definitely not even trying. - I actually am paying attention to Wayne now, post all of this. - But see, I think now you're getting the worst, not the worst, but not the best form of Wayne. - No, I'm not getting the best form, but I'm listening to him right now, 'cause I kind of like, he's not on top of his game, like he used to be. - He's not, he's not. - But I kind of like his energy now that he's gotten so disrespected. - 'Cause he's hungry now. - By young thug and the whole. And I always kind of want to root for the underdog. So this remake that he has right now of Busta, it's interesting. - Did you listen to the free Wheezy album? - I didn't listen to the whole thing. - That was a decent, that was a good project. - I mean, I listened loosely, but yeah, I mean. - At 25, I credit Wayne for me being so open-minded with hip-hop now, because when I was 13, 14, I was a super backpack head, and Wayne came around and he was the energy that you could not ignore. And the more and more you heard, you were like, all right, this guy is kind of fucking dope. I don't want to like it, but it's dope. And then that drew me more and more towards mainstream rappers that I do love to this day, and I credit him for having opened my neck. - What era of Wayne was that? Like what was he gonna know? - This was on Carter 2, Carter 2. - Carter 2, Carter 2. - Where you from? - So like "Fireman" and shit like that. - Yeah, this was Carter 2 era, which part I love. - Which Carter 2 was his best album, right? - In my opinion, but I mean, Carter 3 was great too. - I think Carter 2 was his best album. - Carter 2 was his best album. - Carter 2 was Wayne's best album. I mean, some people... - Carter 3 had good hits, but Carter 2 was cohesively, like the better album. - I think majority of Wayne fans would agree with that. - Ay, ay, off the way we had two hours. - Way over? - One to wait. - What is it? - Wait, an hour and eight minutes? - Oh, about 180 minutes. - Oh, I was about to say an hour. - I was like, what? - Something seems a little off here. - What do we miss, Austin? - And anything else we need to touch on here, do we have any last words for Jack? - I know some y'all need to touch on. - Ayy! - This dude! (laughs) - Oh my God. - We gotta grow up, man. Do a serious podcast for James. - What did you mean was short for James? - That's kind of pause, though. Be who are you talking to in this thing? - Yeah. - You and Beyonce? - Yes, why did you get that least front? - I like it. - I think her hair looks good. - It doesn't. - It does! - The front? - No, I don't like that. - I'm not a fan of lace front. - I don't know why women do that. Explain it to me. - Well, what else? What other options? - I looks more natural. - No, it doesn't. - No, it doesn't. - Lace front don't look natural. - No, it doesn't look more natural. - I mean, granted, it's not a fucking Irvington lace front, but it's not. - Wait, are y'all-- - Her hair looks nice and smooth. - On weaves? What's an Irvington? What the fuck is that? - I don't know what that is. It's a blood part of Jersey. - No, I'm naive. Excuse my ignorance. Why do women do lace fronts? - You're looking at me like I get a lace front. - I don't get it. I've never gotten it. And I thought maybe it was 'cause I was white. - Speak into my gift. - Speak into my gift. - I'm new to weave. - You gotta get closer to my gift. - Okay, I'm new to weave, but I just thought it was more natural and I just want everything underneath. - No, you're beautiful, but that's not good. - Her last one, when her hair would grow, then it would be flatness and then puff because that's where the weave would start. So that looked nuts. - Also, women do that for their edges? - I think, I don't know how this works 'cause I don't know. - 'Cause you're white, I know. (laughing) - I'm black and I go, my hair girl does it for me. - No, no to lace fronts just in general. - Yeah, all right. - But wait, what other options are that? Can't you just put like one in the back? What is this? Why do you know these things wrong? - And why don't we, why don't we, we need a weave podcast. - I wear a clip in. - I'm gonna start a weave podcast. - Dude, this guy's the puff daddy of podcast, right? - Why don't you be kidding? - And I'm taking all the publishing. - We weave show, unbelievable. - Oh wait, so we're gonna say we still have you. - Yeah. - For different podcasts on the loud speaker networks, are the splits different or is it the same split? - It's all, you know, one thing. (laughing) - I'm sorry, it's all your podcast is out there. - Joe, you know. - You don't wanna be on a fucking podcast label? - As an artist, that most-- - There's no, there's no identical-- - There's no identical, there's no identical contracts. - That guy's good. - Yeah. - I'm saying, I'm saying-- - The CEO is a lawyer too. - Yeah, but I'm not talking about that. - But I'm saying, some people-- - But how do you determine, how do you determine-- - What podcast is more valuable? - How much we put in? How much they put in? - Okay. - How crazy they hit the ground running? I mean-- - Well, when is this contract determined? After their first episode? - 'Cause that's a lot of tangible things that happen after. - Going into it, you know what I'm saying? And then, you know, I mean, contracts are a living thing. But the most important thing you gotta figure out is who has the leverage? Like who really needs who more? I mean, sometimes we might be more dependent on our biggest acts. So they have the most leverage. - Okay. - And we wanna keep them happy and then we have acts that are leaning on us. And it's like, you gotta hold this until you get to a certain level. - Well, who are some of the biggest acts? - The biggest act, the biggest by far-- - Kid, the read is like, like they're like, we're getting calls from people that are on the other side of the podcast feel like this American life and NPR. And they're like, those motherfuckers are the shit. They're phenomena, black, white, whatever. They're phenomena in the game. So that's they're like the biggest act on the network. Next up is a brilliant idiots. I mean, Charlemagne is an undeniable star. Love him, I hate him. He's a star, Andrew Schulz. And then they both come in with, you know, Andrew and his comedic background, Power 105, MTV. So that's a built-in audience. And Charlemagne is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. - Yeah. - And then there's me. And then there's the rest of the shows. - Hey. - You wanna do this tax stone and then, you know-- - No, no, tax stone is not to be mentioned. - But I'm, no, but tax is still, for the short time he's been in the game, like it's not where your fans follow you. It's when you discover new fans. And he is, you know, he's like, you haven't played video games? And you're going through a town and the map opens up? - Yeah. - That's what tax is doing. And he's opening up the map, each and every episode. - Does his contract split sooner? - Yeah. (laughing) - Tax is very happy. - Okay, okay, okay. - No, and, and, and-- - Thanks, Bob. - No, but what I gotta say, what I do gotta say about Tax, that's phenomenal-- - That was 112. - Is nine months ago, he wasn't doing this shit. Nine months ago, he was doing hood shit with his friends. - Well, you know, he's still doing hood shit with his friends. - He was pushing, wasn't he? But I'm watching the progression about, like he's like, yo, how much hood shit with my friends shit can I do now? 'Cause now, it might take away this new shit I'm doing with my new friends. - Yeah, new audience. - You know, so watching him go, like, sync, come on, you, you've been in the game a long time, but you remember when you first came in the game when you was raw, it was like how fast you had to grow up or not how fast you had to grow up. And watching him-- - You had to say just to make, yeah. - Very fast. Even though it is a lot more than he has to grow, but watching him grow in these past nine months has been, is phenomenal. He gets it. When you talk, he's still gonna do hood shit. - No, you're just my brother. - But when you talk to him, it's like, yo, tax, you gotta change, it's like, I got it. No, nah, nah, y'all don't understand. I got it. - Okay. - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - Well, tax, I'll see you on Monday. - I'll see you on Monday, son. - We'll talk about, we'll talk about contracts up here. - Yes, yes, yes, yes. - Do you wanna comment on what I should do or you wanna comment on that? - Wait, so you guys are totally independent now? - Yeah. - Yep. - What happened? - No, I mean, we've always been independent. - Okay. - No, we, you know, initially, initially, I think Pete had the idea that he wanted to start a network. - Yes. - I think in his career, he got very busy. I don't think he had the time to actually go about seeing that out. And for me, it's like, I'm a one man band. Like, I don't really need Pete. So it's like, once I started doing a few podcast, I was like, all right, we off the crazy side of ya. We kind of got it now. So if you ain't bringing something a little more than that bullshit you was talking about before, but it's still a cool dude, though. I fuck with Pete. - Nah, I fuck with Pete, too, which is kind of crazy. (laughing) That's crazy. - I like that, though. - Marissa, you wanna touch on this song? Shit, you're showing me? - Yeah, so Eric. - No, no, we never wanna talk about it. - I'm sorry, y'all, sorry. - But the title show, "Hit Boy" brought out Quentin Miller to wrap 10 bands. - Why is that a big deal? - Because that's shitin' on Drake. That's Quentin shitin' on Drake, and hit boy shitin' on Drake. Why is this high? - Why is his shitin' on Drake? - Is it shitin' on Drake, or is it like-- - Well, Drake is with Apple. - Right. - So anything with this title show-- - And then Quentin is grabbing 10 bands, though? - Everything in hip hop is so beef right now. I mean, it's always been as, does that shit get tired? Like, he's doing the show at time. That's beef. - Doesn't it look like Raven? - Hmm, I don't know. - Why would hit boy in Drake be beefin'? - I don't know. I can't even think of a reason. - And why is, I don't like all this stuff that Quentin is doin' as of late. - Yeah, that's weird, right? - Wait, Quentin is-- - Why else is he be doin'? - Yeah, what has he been doin'? - He's been doin' a lot of-- - Little sublimbs. - Little sublimbs. - A lot of-- - Sats and shit. - So much healing him. - I mean, I don't know that somebody is doing it. - He's gotta look out for himself. - Huh? - He's gotta look out for himself, at this point. If Drake-- - Drake hasn't said a word about this kid. - I've found a big 'em up. - Isn't he gettin' points on? - I would imagine so. - Yeah. - But that-- - What? - There's somebody not gonna pay. - Yeah. - Oh. - You're gonna get paid! - I'm so moved, start your own career. - I don't like it. I don't like it. - You're gonna fuckin' live off his album for a real life? - You know, maybe I'm just a whole fashion. I just don't like when co-workers, people who work together at some point-- - Friends and co-friends. - Yeah, I don't like it. - Oh, I agree with that. - If we were business partners, if we were friends, if me and Amani never speak another day, I have nothing negative to say about him. - Publicly. - In public. - Mm. - I just don't. I don't like, why is he on this to down show title? - I don't need to. - Why is-- - But why is it to down? - Because that's my annunciation of it. Why is he on this fuckin' title show? I don't get it. So now you got Drake, Wayne is on this show, Nicky's on this show. His boy is bringin' out this kid. - What is his loyalty to Drake? He wrote a few records for him. Why is he supposed to be loyal to him? Because no, no, no, no. - Why should he be-- - You should shut up and not start-- - No, no, no, no, no, no. - You should shut up and not start-- - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Go down, go down. - And then going out to perform your reference track. - You can minimalize it that way, if you want. - Maybe Drake was like, "Yo, take this fuck in his room." - Drake did not say that, and you know that. - Maybe. - No, no, no. - And the very first time we ever heard from Quentin Miller, that's the Quentin Miller we heard. - Ten bands. - Drake gave me an opportunity when no one else would. - Right, yeah. - So where's that Quentin Miller? - Using the opportunity. - Using his moment, the few minutes that he has, that people care about his name to his advantage. I'm not saying that's black, but that's what it is. - I'm just adding like it. I don't like it. I mean, he deserves the right to behave that way. I personally don't like it, and I'll watch this from afar. Because it does seem like, and this is all just hyperbole. It does seem like it's starting to look like Drake against a lot of people. - He's the top dog. It's always going to be like that. - We talk about this. It feels like behind the scenes they're like. - It's always going to be like that. - You want to shut that down? - They're always going to come at the top dog. Everybody came at Jay, right? Everybody came at Jay. - Including you? - No, I don't know if everybody came at Jay. - And now you're watching "Loyal's to Jay." - Once Miles got in, everybody came at Jay. - That was after Jay was leaving. Jay was done with rap. - But they still were trying to move. - Go ahead, you fucking pee on. - They were still trying to move on. - I'm on sports now. B8, the process. - That's what they were trying to do. I mean, it's too late, but it doesn't seem like he's going anywhere else. Like, it doesn't seem like his attention is on any other venture. - He just got here. - Like, yeah. And it looks like I could be wrong. - He's very comfortable. - It looks like he'll be here. - For at least two, three, four, five minutes. - Now, I also said at one point in time, I can't imagine 50 not dominating the way that he was, if you remember his ascension. - His reign. - I bet all 50 winning at that time, he went up against Kanye. - Who won? - Kanye won. - Kanye won. - Kanye won. - Graduation versus Curtis. - That was a good-- - Curtis was phenomenal. Let me not say phenomenal. It was a great album. - It was a great 50 album. - I liked Curtis. - I like Curtis. - That was a genius marketing ploy by those two labels. Oh, and it worked. - Yeah. - Workin' like a charm. - It did. - 'Cause I wanna thank Combat Jack for comin' here. This was amazing. - Thank you. - Thank you. - I would thank you guys. - That's great. - Fuck you. - Thank you. - Let's thank Daniel's lace front. - Thank Deansa's lace front. - Mm-hmm. - And this is the longest podcast we've ever done. - Yeah. - And our first real true guest, like real, real. - This is somebody who actually had something to say. - Yeah. - Thank you guys. - I mean, the girls had something to say too, but it wasn't really like, they were just here for conversation. This was actually a real... - It's like a seminar sort. - Yeah. - You know, I always look at the length of Combat Jacks. - A Yo. - Podcast. - Hey, yo. - I always look at the length of Combat of your podcast, and I say, "Yo, that's..." - And by podcast, he means, "Oh, dude." - Are you done now, Marissa? Yo, no one drinking for you. - Yeah. - And I always say, "Yo, that's so amazing how he's able "to be compelling and engage for that amount of time." - It's a guest, man. It's the guest. I mean, you gotta understand, man. Like, it's really... - No, sometimes the guest be wack. - It's a... - But no, but they have great stories. And most of the guests that I have on the show, it's their stories I'm trying to... It's the stories that's compelling. Like, I don't want everyone to be the focal point of the show. It's really the guest. - Right, radar trying to come for you, though. - That's all right. - Mm-hmm. - That's okay. - I have that loud speaker network. - That's what you think about that, nigga. - I mean, you know, I welcome anybody in the game. And I mean... - That's that big. - You know, the big Willie talk right here. - And our legacy's already cemented. So... - Oh! - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Fuck, boy! - I mean, we've been doing this for five years, and it's been five years of historic legacy shit. I'm really proud of my legacy. - I mean, you knew in the game, Elle. - I mean, you just got hit. - That's the... - You just got hit, rap radar, you know what I mean? Bow down when you see real podcast niggas. - What I'll say is this, what I'll say is this. Like, I don't think I'm the best interviewer. But for what I do, I'm the best of what I do. - Mm. - On this planet. - Yo. - That's how I feel. (clapping) - 10 p.m. - And we leave therapy. - And we leave it. - And we leave it at that, my G will have it. You want to take it. - Go to getbevel.com, new code J-O-E. - Couples therapy every Wednesday, 10 p.m. - We're at the fuck up. - Hashtag button Wednesday. - We outta here, Jack. Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you.