The Joe Budden Podcast
I'll Name This Podcast Later Episode 34
Joined by Lip Services, Stephanie Santiago, the group discusses the Slut Walk, Victor Cruz, Keith Murray, and more!
- You guys are rolling already, so. - Okay. - All right, so we can roll. All right, all right, and we are rolling, rolling. All right, all right. We are at episode number 34. I will name this podcast later. That's correct, right, 34? - Yes. - I'm your host Joe Budden. Unfortunately, Mottie the body is still here. - Oh. - 34 weeks later, Rory is running late from his corporate job where he has to be fucking corporate. He's trying not to lose his white privilege. So that's good for him. And we have a special guest, a dear friend of mine, who also has our own podcast, along with Angela Yee Lip Service. - Yep. - This is. - Stephanie Santiago. - Yay! - Now, I always worry a little bit when there's too much estrogen in the room. So, we're gonna try to get there. But Steph is a dear friend of mine. So I don't really count her as estrogen 'cause she's like a nigga. - Right, and I'm a real nigga. - Steph is like a nigga, but she's shaped like she's shaped. So it's weird. Like, Steph is a beautiful girl. But, you know, I know a lot of beautiful girls that are like, they cool like niggas, so. - No, that's one thing I can say about Joey. He does keep good girlfriends, beautiful ones. And when they start to fall off, sorry, you gotta go. - Yeah, yeah, basically. Now, see, see, I like this already. We're gonna have to get started. - Now, contrary to popular belief, Steph is a platonic friend of mine. - Yes. - We've never been intimate. We've never-- - Did people think otherwise before? - Yes. - With you guys? - Yes. - Oh, really? - Every day. We were just on uncommon sense with Charlemagne. - Yeah, we did that. - The God. And he even asked if we've had sex. - Anytime people see the two of us together and hear our dialogue with one another, they ask, "Are you guys fucking?" Now, part of that is because my reputation is that of a slut. - Yeah. - Right. - And that is beautiful. - Yeah, and my reputation, even though I don't feel like I've done much, just of a slut too. - They just see a pretty girl that's around rappers and all of a sudden, she's fucking everyone else. - Well, Steph was like the type of girl that I would fuck. - Right, that's also-- - For sure. - And Joe is a real nigga, and he's kind of the type of nigga I would fuck to. - I second her. So I do wanna start. - Look. (laughter) - Yes! (cheering) - Yeah, we just haven't gotten around for that. - But no, we will never have had sex, and we don't date. - Yeah, now we've never done any of that. We have been platonic from the doors. I wanna start with that. - Right. - And it's a lot to get to this week. This week has been kind of lit. - Oh, has it? - No, it has. First of all, let me start with this more stuff. People continue to bash a tiger, right? People bash him for his pedophilia, right? - It's a little weird. - With every, but I'm gonna come to his defense. - Okay. - I am. With every picture that I see of him and Kylie Jenner, I start to feel bad for him. - 'Cause he looks like his boy. - Why? - Well, I know he's probably just using her for the fucking whole situation. - But, well, we live in New York City. I live in Jersey. - We live in New York, right? - We all live in Jersey, son? - Yeah, because when you're from New York and you get money, you move to Jersey. - You cross the bridge. (laughter) - I keep telling people that. I don't understand New York 'cause they live in New York, but anyway. - I don't understand that either. - In New York City, at 17 years old, you are legal. - Yeah, you can have sex with whoever you want. - This guy looks miserable. - He does look miserable. - He looks like this little-- - But that's what makes me not feel bad for him because you're in this situation. Like, you're still sticking around 'cause you're trying to fucking ride that Kardashian train. - Well, I'm not a man. - That's a good train if you want to ride one. - I would love to. - It's a good train. - But he looks like this little young bitch is driving him. - I'm sure she is. - That's what a picture with them two dressed alike. - Oh my God. - I hurt Tim. - I hurt Tim. - Laced all the way up to her ankle. - To the front like she do with construction. - I didn't see that picture. I have to see it. - Really bad for this guy. So I pray for him at nighttime because I do. I feel bad. So. - I mean, she's interesting though. I can't lie. I just confessed last night that I followed her on Snapchat and I am actually intrigued by her life. - She's an attractive girl. - Yeah, she is. And I don't want to care about what she does, but I find myself caring. - Do you think that she fucks him right? - No. - 'Cause you know, I'm from lip service. We talk about sex on my job. - He looks like the type that's like a super freak then into like some, well, depending on the, I mean, you know what I'm saying. - That's what I'm saying. - And I know China, I don't know. - You know, Capapa for a real one. But I think he can manipulate Kylie to kind of do whatever the fuck he wants. So he might be able to train her to be good. - See, I'm off there. - That's what I'm saying. If she's fucking him right, then maybe he's all right. - I don't know. - Maybe he's okay. - And he can put up with the annoyingness. - If you're coming from Black China, who I don't know her, but she probably does know how to pop it forward. - If she could work a pulse, she could work a dick. - No, I know, I think, I know it's not true, but it just sounded really cool. - No, but I, R.P to my boy, but I know for a fact that she got good pussy. - Who, Black China? - Yup. - All right, so if you're coming from Black China and you're going to this 18 year old girl. - 17. - No, no, she's 18 now, but she started fucking her. - And you're going to this 17 year old girl who I'm sure doesn't even know how to clean her vagina properly. - Oh, that's true. That's true. - Well, 17 year olds don't know how to clean her. The shit, most of these 21, 22 year old girls don't know how to clean her. - A lot of these 30 year old girls don't know how to clean her pussy. - They just don't know how to clean her pussy. - Me, I'm from the school look. I don't have time to teach a bitch how to fuck. - Word, but you're a lot older. He is a bit younger than you. - How old is he? - He's 25. - So, I mean, you know, he got a lot older than him. - Oh, I'm a decade older. - He got a whole decade, yeah. - No, a whole decade, yeah. - So I'm a whole decade older than him. - Yeah. - Well, I think, you know, you shouldn't, you should learn how to clean your vagina. And if you don't YouTube it, they'll teach you on YouTube. You shouldn't douche. - No, you shouldn't. - Yeah, that like kills the good bacteria. - Yeah, you should douche. - It dries it up. It ruins everything. - Most bitches think that douche and clean is the person. - Yeah, people think, oh, I can douche it out and it's over. - I don't know how girls use that lime-as-all shit. - Let me so, let me so, let me so, let me so. - Now, let me so, let me so, let me so. - I can't, I'll get a yeast infection, if I even look at it. - But you're not supposed to use lemis-all frequently. - No, no, once in a while, after your period. - I mean, nothing's scented down there. I need like straight soap, but no scent, like can't do any. - All right, too much asterisk in your room. - All right, all right, all right. - All right, all right, all right. - Let's switch gears completely, when you go to Atlanta. - I go to Atlanta tomorrow. - Tomorrow. - Oh, I'm going to Atlanta for BT weekend. - Me too! - Oh my God, yes! - Wait, what do you leave, Steph? - I'm leaving on Friday. - I'm leaving Thursday. - And when do you come back? - I'm coming back Monday. I'm doing the whole BT weekend. I got booked a couple of parties. - I'm gonna be at the red carpet. Are you gonna walk the red carpet? - Yeah, I know my peer. My PR is your PR, and we're gonna be on the same carpet. - I'm walking the red carpet against my will. - Oh, this is good, I know. - But I hate all of that type of street. - I'm gonna interview you. - It's gonna be weird. - The UC hip hop awards are really ratcheted. - I know. - I love ratchets. - So now, are you going to the awards? - Yeah, if I'm gonna be in Atlanta, I'm most definitely gonna go. I don't know yet, can I go with you? - If you go out. - Do you have a date? - No, they gave me, I have two tickets, so they were like, if you want to bring somebody, please feel free. And I was like, shit, I don't want to go, but if I find somebody to go with-- - Well, then bring stuff. - Then maybe we can go. - I know, you're going. - Yeah. - Wait, who was your date? - I don't have a date. - Oh, we can be dates. - You know, single right now. - No, no, no. - Oh, I hope I see her by each other. Do you know where your seats are? - No. - I don't know where mine are either. - I'll be at the BET Awards. - Okay, great. So we'll be together. - We'll all sit together. - That's it, I'm holding you to it. - Yeah, yeah, no, we're in. - Oh, yeah, so that brings us to something so-- - Okay, so squad. - Not squad. - Yeah, total spot. - And then you have a show right after. I saw a flyer for you at 10 p.m. that night, Friday. - Oh, doing? - Yeah, I don't know what it was. I was searching the APH hashtag. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think that's the one with you and Sue and Zombi. - Friday's a really busy day for me. I go on an 11. Friday's a really busy day for me, and then I leave on Saturday, even though I might change my ticket. - Yeah, Steph is gonna be out there, ball alert. - Yeah, 'cause I'm doing something with her on Thursday when I go. - Dope. - All right, but we're often changing here. - Yeah. - What else happened? What else happened? Something else-- - You group chatted us about Victor Cruz and-- - Yeah, but now I wanna talk about that later. Hope Steve Moria be here. Amber Rose and her slut walk. - Yes, we should talk about that. - That happened. - I'm very happy for her, although I don't feel like the response online. Hey, Austin, can you get the door for Rose? - How do you feel? - I like what she's doing. I don't like that people aren't-- they're just fucking slandering it without even understanding what they're talking about. They're like, "Why is she calling it a slut walk? 'Cause she's a fucking slut. She didn't come up with a fucking name. It already existed." A couple of people were upset that she kind of shifted the focus from rape victims to more just, you know, slut shaming and stuff like that, but I-- - Well, I think those people have a very valid point. - They do. - I think those people have a very valid point. - But I think she was trying to not shift it, but also incorporate it. I think that was the thing. And just because she is not a victim of rape, it became-- it didn't seem as much as that was the focus as much. But I do believe she wanted to incorporate all of that. - Did you hear her speech? - Yeah, with about the Kanye and Wiz. - Did you hear the entire speech? - No, that part. - I think you should listen to the entire speech. - What else did she say? - I mean, it's-- I don't really-- you know, no shade again. - She sounds like Nikki! - No shade. - No shade. - No shade to Amber, because I think Amber Rose is a beautiful girl. I think she has very good skin, and I admire that, 'cause I love good skin. - Okay. - Everybody knows that. But, you know, I feel like Slut Walk has just a much bigger message than just being treated bad by your boyfriends. - Mm-hmm. - You know, if you're gonna be a feminist, be true to being a feminist. There's a lot of issues in that. You know, a woman today gets paid $0.77 to every dollar a man gets paid in America. And a woman of color gets paid $0.54 to every white man in America. Those are real feminist issues. You know, you get treated the way you present yourself. If I came into this room with a latex dress on, you know, I shouldn't be upset if a man is like, "Hey, hey, Steph, what you doing tonight?" - Word. - You know what I mean? But, you know, if I come through and my hoodie and my spandex, still, of course, I'm gonna get some attention. - 'Cause you got a fat ass, yeah. - Yeah. But, you know, you get treated the way you present yourself, and that's just is what you did. - Yeah, I agree that. That's why part of that, I mean, it was a little confusing. I'm glad she brought awareness to the Slut Walk, because I did do some research. - Yeah, and it has an important message. - I was confused. I didn't know what she was fighting for. But it's in research and come to find out that in 2011, some people got raped. - In Toronto. - Yeah, and the police said, "Well, if you didn't dress like a Slut, then you wouldn't be right." - No, no, a police officer said publicly, "If you don't want to get assaulted, you shouldn't dress like a Slut." - Yeah. - And that's wrong. - And that's where the name Slut Walk stems from. - And it's globally done. - Yeah, and that's a noble cause, and I support that cause. - I too. - I don't support bitches saying, "Yo, it's my pussy. If I want to dress a certain way, if I want to look a certain way, if I want to act a certain way, don't call me a Slut." I don't support that. I don't want to come off misogynistic. - I don't think it's, no, I don't think you do. - I just don't, and I was talking to a friend of mine, and I was saying to them, I mean, the world that we live in, first of all, I think something, I think there's something to be said for women that conduct themselves as women and ladies. - Right. - I think you guys are the most beautiful creatures ever created. You guys bear children. You guys keep the world flowing. - Yeah, yeah. So, you know, my, I adore you guys. It's just a work of art. God's greatest creation. That's how I feel about women. So, but you just have to-- - No, I don't mean to interrupt. I think men are the greatest creation in the world. - Hey! - You guys, I can say my concern. - Okay. - Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, - I'm out of here. - I'm out of here. - I'm out of here. - Hey, simmer down, simmer down. But, so, I mean, it's something to be said. - No, I do agree, and I do think that-- - Awareness is important. - It is. - And I do think that there is a point where people do call people Sluts, and it's uncalled for, like, you know, they'll assume someone's fucking in the whole world. You fucked your way to the top because, just because you're a girl. So, there is stuff like that, but I don't see that changing. - Yeah, I don't see it changing. - Exactly. - I don't like talking about Amber because Amber is Wizz's child's mother and Wizz is one of the nicest people that I have ever met in this industry. So, it's kind of a slippery slope for me to speak about her. - I mean, Amber's a really great person, too. - And she's gorgeous. - Yeah. - Okay, but is she all? - Yes. - But how can we say that she really is a whole? She has dated a couple of men that we publicly know. - Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, here's my thing. - What's your thing? - Tell us your thing. - Here's my thing with New Age feminists. They're doing it, oh, um, house can say no. What? That's insane. For me, with new feminists, it's like they're doing it so it can be okay to sleep around. - Yeah, but like you feel like the message is like, I'm going to fuck whoever would fuck up on it. - Yeah, that's the message. Like, oh, I'm a woman. I like a man. - I can do it, y'all do it. - I could do it, too. - You quality. - But that's not what slut walk is about. - So, let's remove the word whole from this. Does Amber sleep around? - Yeah. - Do we know that, though? - Yes. - We know she's dated Wizz and had sex with him. We know she's dated Wizz. - Well, I don't want to count Wizz. That's her child's father. - Right, well, you know, but she just made a video. She just made a video walking with her heels in her hand. And she's like, yeah, I love sex. Yeah, I got fucked just now. You know, I'm not mad at it. - Yeah, but that was something like a message of like, the walk of shame is cool. - Well, my thing is, one month-- - And the walk of shame is not cool. - One month? - One month, she was fucking James Harden. - I don't think ever-- - Just, I think they did. - Lawless Marissa. - I mean, we can't assume. - Marissa. - What? - I know James. I'm not his best friend, but I know he ain't playing games. - I know him as well. And I'm not his best friend. - All right, so let's give it to her. Let's say she did. - We know that-- - And that's okay! - And James Harden fuck, but that's fine. James Harden has fucked quite a few people. - Yes, and he will continue to fuck. It's whoever he wants. - And I know, a month after that, she was very public in fucking MGK. - That's what I'm saying. - Shout out to Kelv. - So my point is when you behave that way, I'm not gonna call you a whole, but you certainly can't be angry at the people that do, right? - Right. - I mean, right? - No, and that, again-- - And I don't know her, so I won't call her that. - I don't know her either, and I think she's beautiful, and I congratulate her on all her success. I don't wanna throw shade at her. - Yeah, me either. - I don't. But, you know, I think if you're gonna be a feminist, you know, look at the real issues. There's thousands of rape kits that have not been checked, because the police don't care about solving these cases. That's a real issue in feminism. You know, being a feminist, calling yourself a feminist, excuse me, calling yourself a feminist because you wanna be able to be a hoe, and nobody telling you it's wrong because men, you know, have sex with whoever they want. That's not real, that's not genuine. You're not genuinely being a feminist. - It's like a selfish reason. - Yeah, like, if you wanna sleep around and sleep around, keep that shit to yourself. - Yeah, you know what? - That's my take on it. - It's growing more and more. I'm hearing women that want to behave like men. - Why? - Right. - I don't get that. - I don't get that either. - Let a woman be a woman and a man be a man. - No, because you know what? As a woman, we have different body parts. - I think this is solely my opinion. - Mine too. - I think you guys have different responsibilities. - I agree. - I think me. I think, I'm not speaking for anybody else but me. I think, again, like stated earlier, there's something to be said with the term ladylike exists for a reason. That's not saying that you can't be promiscuous, but there's a way to be promiscuous number one. Number two, to your point, Marissa Mendes, you guys are wired differently. - Right. - You can't move like a man. - You're not a man. - It's not possible. You're not a man. You're not, we're hardwired differently. So you can go into a situation knowing that this is not someone you want to be with, knowing that you don't want anything long term with someone, but just the way that you're wired emotionally, your feelings are going to kick in. - Somehow, somewhere. - Yes. - In some area. - It may not even be the whole thing, but it'll come in. - And for me, and for me, I feel like, you know, everybody can do whatever they want to do as a human being. You can move forward as you feel. But I don't think that it's okay for a woman to be so proud to sleep around the way a man is. And I love sex. If it was up to me, I would have sex every day, seven times. I love sucking dick. I love sex. Sex is amazing. - I love sex. - I gotta reevaluate your friendship. - Shut up, Joey. - I'm such a faggot. - Because I am no angel. I'm no angel. I love sex. And I've had sex. I've had sex with more than one, two, three, or five men. - No. - I go. I definitely go. I'm not going to be out here speaking my business. - Basically, because there's a way that it should be done. - There is a way. And you know what? I present. I want to be treated a certain way and I will present myself a certain way. - I'm all for that. - And, you know, like I said, if I come out in the hoodie in the tights, sure I'm going to get some attention. Yeah, that's cool. Hey, what's up? What I can do is you've got a fat ass. But now, if I come outside in a latex dress, I'm going to tits out. - Call me. - You know exactly. That's the reaction I'm going to get. - Well, you should call me because you don't call me. Anyway, the worst one I have ever in the country. - Joey, I know. We'll talk about that later. - We'll talk about that later. - But I totally agree. It's lit. Rory is here. - Hey! - It's Mexico. - Rory, this is Steph. Steph, that's Rory. - Hey. It's a pleasure. - Well, Rory is 19, so he hasn't met anybody. - That's true. - Oh my God, he's only 19. - No, no, no, no. He's 25. - Oh, okay. - But 25 is 19 to me. You're rolling in here on this fucking bicycle. You good? - I'm good. - Marissa, 'cause she's- - He's ginger. - Right? - Yeah, we're going to red beard. - I'm tired that I came late because there's so much to talk about. - There is a lot to talk about. And Marissa, who's not loyal at all, 'cause we always wait for her. - Hey, can we just start? - I will never wait ever! - Can we just start? - And be Rory said, start without me. - Tell me. - I did, I said start without me. - It's fine. We only addressed, we started with, oh, we started, I went on a mini rant about Tyga and how I feel bad for him. - Well, he thinks Tyga is miserable. - He's miserable with this girl. - Absolutely. - He is. - He didn't take this through. - And he didn't, he didn't. - No, I mean, maybe she's fucking him right. He has to be teaching. - Oh, please. - Oh, please. Oh, please. - You don't think, no, I agree with you, because I don't want to teach any man how to eat my pussy. I'm so tired of teaching guys how to eat pussy. - It's sickening. - I haven't ate pussy in years. - Oh, that's terrible! - Get the fuck out of here, you lying. - Did you hear me? - I swear to you. - He's lying. - He is lying. - He is lying. - I swear to you. - Like a Leo. - No, no, I swear to you. I've been single, well, let's look at it like this. I've been single for over a year. - Okay. - The last time I was in a fake relationship was over a year ago, right? - What about day over the summer, you had to eat that vagina? - No. - If I did it was once. - Mm. - If I did it was once. - Yeah. - No, I don't. - No, no, but what I'm saying is I'm one of the men that enjoy eating pussy. - Okay. - And when you enjoy eating pussy, you want to eat pussy. So even if I eat pussy one time in the past year, that doesn't really fulfill my fucking eating pussy obligations. - No, no, it doesn't. - Not once in a year. - Yeah, not at all, not at all. But yeah, we're getting off on the tangent here and I'm getting blue balls. - So you guys feel that Amber totally took away the point of this. - No, I don't feel like she totally took away. I just feel like the whole, you know, the real cause. It went over her head. - I could feel it. - It just went over her head. And one thing I want to say is, you know, she said, I forgive Kanye for saying XYZ. But just two or three weeks before, she was on the same radio show saying that this man, Kanye West, is not her type. They don't match. He's not her type. And she doesn't want to talk about him. And like, did you not, like, this is Kanye West. This is the, this is the, like, he's a genius. Like he can write, he can speak. - I'm one of the people that did like Amber and Kanye together. - I love them together. - But in hindsight, she could look back and be like, well, now the person I am, I wouldn't be with a person like that now. - How dare she say that that's not her type. - Nigga. - What bitch? - I mean, you're right. She could say that. But nigga, and we could say nigga, like, really. - Like what? You know, so she can't really be mad at him for saying something like that. You just diss him on the radio. You didn't think he was going to come back harder at you? - Oh, three weeks prior to his breakfast club interview, you're saying. - Oh, when he said the 30 showers thing, she was on the breakfast club saying that he's not her type. - What does this have to do with her cause? - That come from her. - That's what I'm curious. - Yeah. - Why was she at the club? - Because she about that. - Yeah, yeah. - She was saying that they were slut-shaming her. He was trying to make, like in hindsight, trying to make a shit. - Oh, it's a dirty shower. - But you were with me. So it wasn't, it wasn't an issue then, but now that we've broken up, now I'm dirty. Now I'm all these things and the same thing with Wiz. - But even, even still. - Was she not a stripper? - Yeah, but the thing is- - It's on a slut sham. - That's a fact. - They are, they're making fun of her for that fact. - Right. - Oh, I didn't hear what Wiz said. - In a song, he said, "I fell in love with a stripper funny thing as I fell out of love quicker." And then- - Is that not a fact? - Well, it's not a fact. - It's not a fact. - You can't say it out there. - It's not a fact. - Right, and he's saying it in a derogatory way. - There's a dope bar. - There was. - It's funny too. - He was trying to say it in a derogatory way and they're both trying to- - Oh, I don't know if I can say that. - Oh, but my thing is, I don't think that Amber should be like, "Oh, I forgive you, Kanye." Does he forgive her for saying that he's not her type? - I mean, all of that's awful and tangent. - Like, come on. - I just think that she- - She just needed to chill, like whatever, y'all both went at each other. - I applaud her for bringing awareness to the cause. - Me too. - Yeah, 'cause I think- - 'Cause I think slut-shaming is a bad thing. - I don't applaud the way that she went about it. I'm not talking about slut-shaming. - I don't think slut-shaming is a bad thing. Because if you are- - Yeah, I wanna shame a slut. - And if you own it, and if it is- - I wanna shame slut. I do. - No, no, no. - I think you can shame them. - Even though I know really cool slut, by the way. - You should do it if they're not slut-shaming. - Yeah, I do too. I love sluts. - Sluts is relative to everybody. - Sluts are really fun. - It is relative. - Sluts are great. - I think sluts are cool. - I'm at the starter slut walk. - Yeah. - Just to get them over. - We just- - After all, we're trying to meet you. - Yeah, of work. - I didn't see a picture of a woman with a sign that said just because I blow hookah does not mean I blow dick. - Oh, that's the biggest story. - I saw some interesting signs. - That's just great. - Yeah, there was something that, the way she went about promoting it the way there was something that I was just like, aww. - That amber c'mon. - That game that they had where they were throwing dicks. - Yeah, but I don't think she was sucking dope. - That was the age awareness he plays or something. - No, this LA slut walk was very different from the usual slut walk. - The hole was there though. - I was just about to say, it used to be abortion rallies where you picked up women because you knew that was fucking but I guess the slut shit- - Oh my god, that's not funny. - That's not funny. - That's not funny. - I still am not. - Chris Rock said that. I didn't say that. - Oh my god. - I didn't say that. - Stop being a joke. - I'm crediting you. - And now you're stealing offensive things. Let's just leave this. - No, I don't tell you that. - Well anyway, shout out to Amber Rose and the awareness that supports you. - Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, I just feel like Amber, you know, thanks for our bringing money to the cause because it's a real cause. - Yeah, and they are donating the funds. - Yes, and people should be aware of this. You can wear whatever the fuck you want. You should not get raped or sexually assaulted. Even groped. It's not okay. - Look, groped never is known. - I'm just saying, if you see a girl in a sexy dress, you should feel like, oh, I can grab her a lot. - You're allowed to touch her. - Yeah, no, no, no. You shouldn't grab a stranger. - Not a stranger. - You shouldn't grab anybody. If that's your village, then yes. - If she wants to be groped. - You might want to be groped. - Yes, you should be groped. You're a fry. - You know, on a good day, yeah. - How do you do? - We agree, we agree, we agree. Now, all right. Now that we're on to, oh, oh, it just kills me to talk about. I'm a giant fan, man. - Oh, Victor Cruz. - I'm a giant fan. - You know, I'm a giant fan. - Do we know that's for sure? Because I have fucking media takeout. - It sounds like a misunderstanding to me. I don't think it's real. Just a misunderstanding. - No, you know what I think about that. I just found out about this today. I had no idea. And I think that his fiance, this is his wife. This is his high school sweetheart. They're not ever going to break out. - Yeah, that's not going nowhere. - I think that she's really funny for doing what she did. She's funny. She was like, I'm going to just group text to all these bitches so we can all know about each other. Like, look, you're not the only one that he's been cheating on me with. - That could be an ill group chat, though. - Well, for the people that don't know, because I'm sure everybody does not know, some people get on their rock. For the people that don't know, Victor Cruz's fiancee somehow miraculously got the number to all of his side bitches. - She went through his phone. - Yeah, but you got them saved as their name? - Whatever happened to Pizza Hut? What happened to dominoes? Like, mechanic. - If you click the link in my bio, you can find who Pizza Hut really is. - Yeah, like, what the fuck? I'm so lost. But anyway, miraculously, this woman got the number to all, not one, not two, but all of these guys are Victor Cruz's side bitches and started a group chat with all of the hoes and Victor Cruz and sent a long message just letting the hoes know that, hey, I know about y'all. Y'all clearly know about me, because all y'all do is fucking hotels. We should all open up the lines of communication here. - Oh, awful. - I have. - I have. - Here's where I think it's fake. Why is she saving her husband's name as Victor Cruz in her phone? - She didn't take that picture. - Well, in her defense, in her defense, like Marissa, right? I don't have, I have Marissa stored in my phone as whatever, like, whatever pretense I met her under, like Marissa and I don't remember. - Yeah. - I changed it. Rory fucking slash Harris. Like, I store people in my phone and I just never change it. - I have everyone. - I have like four minutes. - Me too. Me too. - So she may have met him and stored him under Victor Cruz and just never took the liberty to change it. I don't know that, but I'm saying I could see that happening. Maybe not when you're engaged to somebody. - And you've been together since high school. You probably went through a few phones, a few numbers, especially with an athlete. - No. - And I don't know if I'm putting, if I'm dating a lot of that magnitude that I'm leaving Victor Cruz on my phone if it rings. - Yeah, that's not smart, but people do it. - Okay. - It's not smart. - I think it's smart to keep people's names stored under how you meet them, because even if it's your fiance that you've been with forever, because I have Joey stored under Joey and I got a couple other Joey's and I've tried to text him and it'll be other people and they're like, what, I'm like, oh, my bad, you're Joey, my bad. - And I also would like to know, how did this woman get the number to every last one of your side bitches? - She clicked the link in my bio. - Oh, yeah. So this isn't her phone. This is a blue, I mean, this is a white text box. So that means the girl that received it took the screenshot. So she has. - Oh, okay. That could be true. - Wow. - Oh, oh, this is not media takeout. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know how much I'm buying this. - Somebody sent that to media takeout. - Yeah, but they could've doctored that as well. Not doctored, they could've literally wrote that to themselves. - I don't add very much credence to media takeout. - Edwards. - However, and they steal most of their shit from a stick alley. They steal like 97% of their shit. - Because I'm really, because I guess, what do we call me when I'm not rapping? Okay. What an insider, because I have inside information. - I mean, I know too. But. - I mean, you know. - I mean, that's what I'm saying. - We know. - I'm like a little chatty patty radio personality. - Well, are you going to chatty patty radio personality? - Yeah, are you going to? Cause I'm going to, I'm money man. - I don't know shit about Victor Cruz. I know Victor Cruz is my friend. I know Pecos. And we cool. I don't have sex with any of them. - Okay. Well, that's good to know. - Okay. - At least we got that treat. - Yeah, I wish that. - Why don't we ever spend, why don't we drag Pecos into this? - Yeah. - I was wondering. - Pecos is big in a sport. - No, I know that. - Yeah, that's why. - I guess that's why she knows. - That's the only reason I know Victor Cruz. - Now, um. - Poor Pecos. - I think this is very selfish. - No. - Now, first of all, let's say, let's say allegedly to all this. - Oh, really? - Cause we don't know. But in the event that this did take place, it's very selfish of this young woman. - This guy is trying to get back on the field. - Yeah. - Like he was just injured. - They're shooting for the division. - Oh, come on. - He's got a bunch of injuries. You wanna go and start this fuck shit now? You pick a bad time, man. Horrible, horrible timing. - I can't lie. That shit is mad stressful. Like when you're throwing my game off before some shit. - Yeah, man. - Someone tried to argue with me on text before I came to this podcast one time. I'm like, you're throwing my game off. I gotta fucking be happy and talk shit. And I'm like, over here, very sad because you're texting me some bullshit. - Yeah, I am the number one advocate for mental sanctity. - Yes. - Like just, I need tranquility. I need serenity. I need all of that fucking gay shit that men aren't supposed to need. - No, but I think, you know, I think, you know, Victor's very in love with his wife. - Yeah, that's never going nowhere. - Yeah. - It's gonna be a fight. They're gonna break some dishes. - And if this is true, it was a little petty of her to do the group tax. - Yeah. - It was a little... - I think it was more like it just a jab for him. Like, look what I could do, motherfucker. - Okay, but a few quick points because I don't know that this is occurring, but it did stir up some thoughts in my brain. Number one, they are engaged. I would have waited until I was married. - Yes, yes, yes. - Because let me at least hit 'em where it hurts. - Do they have kids, guys? Does anyone know? - Yeah, they do. - They do have kids. - They do. They have a kid. - That's one. Two, I tweeted earlier today. What makes women have this thing of wanting the other bitches to know that they exist? I don't understand it. I don't get it personally. These bitches, I mean, if he's a real nigga, know that you exist and they don't care. - Right. - They don't care. They're still fucking him. He is still an athlete. Allegedly, they're still fucking him. - Like, I would be goddamn before I sent a group message to some bitch my man is cheating on me with. Because if they win too, and look like a fucking idiot, if I'm going to leave them, then yeah, like, look, here you go, I left him, so we have to enjoy. - Well, I'm not a woman, so maybe you guys can correct my theory here. But women's ego is much more delicate than men's. - Yeah, we have discussed that, yeah. - And women think a bitch cannot have one up on me. So now this woman thinks, now this woman thinks she has one up on me because everybody knows I'm with him. But let me let her know that I know and I'm still the main bitch and you're the side of a bitch. That's her way to ease her pain and insecurity. - That's absolutely what that was, but-- - That is right. - No, no, no. - It's stupid. - If it's real, yeah, that would, not even, I wouldn't. - No, you're thinking I'm validating it. I'm not. - No, no, no. - That's just what they're thinking. - No, no, I'm in agreeance. I'm in agreeance. - I'm in agreeance too. - I'm in agreeance too. - Exactly what that move was. Doesn't make it normal at all. - Women, it is an ego thing. It is an ego thing. - A hundred percent. - For sure. - That brings me to a new question. I'm more so well asked the women in the room. If you date an athlete, do you sign up for that behavior? - Or an entertainer for that matter? - Even an entertainer. - I take a picture. - Go ahead, Marissa. - Go ahead, Marissa. - But okay. - I just tried to drag you into this. I saw someone tweeting about that earlier. You do kind of sign up for that world, but I don't know. I can't really call it. You kind of-- - I look at it this way. - Can you date an entertainer or an athlete? - Anyone, an entertainment. - Yeah, it's coming with the territory. - You are afforded a certain lifestyle, right? - Other women don't get it. - Yes. - Unless you can get it on your own. - I would say in exchange for that lifestyle, there is something that regular women don't have to put up with and that you're going to have to come with that and it's like take it or leave it. - Exactly. So when you Instagram and Snapchat the Chanel bags, the Birkin bags, and all this shit. So I think it comes with the level of how much is the man respecting her in this situation when it goes back to our conversation with Rodney a few weeks back. If they're respecting it and not having some messy shit occur, then that's when the woman is calm, cool, not sending groceries. - That's an interesting point. None of this was messy until the fiance made it messy. - Well we don't know what happened behind the scenes if someone approached her. - I know, I didn't know about it. - For me, this is why it's hard for me to date an entertainment because I could not ever be a woman who will accept just because this man is rich, just because this man is really famous, it's okay for him to cheat on me. I can't, I can't. I am at a place in my life where I want my man to be faithful to me. I know that I can take care of my man, I know my pussy is good, I know I suck dick really nice. - You're killing Joe, bro. - No, this is real and I like to do it all the time. - Wait, wait, the mics broke up, what did you say? - No, I'm serious. You know, I know I'm here, I'm here to take care of my man. If that's my man, I'm gonna take care of my man and I'm not willing to accept the fact that just because you're traveling or because you're famous or you're popular, that you're gonna cheat on me and it's okay because you're both in here, man. - And it's okay, stop slut-shaming. - And it's okay because you pay my rent. Like I would rather buy my own handbag, I would rather pay my own rent and have a man that's gonna keep it real with me. - But that's what I want. - That's what I want. - But now you are. - And that's why I'm gonna be single for the rest of my life. - That sounded really good on paper. - But listen, no, no, no. - Exactly. - Don't that sound good on paper? - Stephanie is of age. - Right, I'm not 22 anymore. But you were at one point. - When I was 22, hold Jesus. - So now I like, and not to get off on a tangent here, but I watched a breakfast club interview of Rick Ross, right? - I did too. Just 'cause his-- - And can I-- - I was on it. - I didn't. - And can I just say, of course you didn't. - I don't know why. Y'all morning show is over. - It's tomorrow. It's tomorrow. I'll watch the "Hutty-7" morning show. - Wait, are you playing timeout? Are you still doing loyal to her morning show? - Yes. - Your morning show is over. - No, it's not fucking nowhere. - No, it's not fucking nowhere, it's a shit. - Aww. - No, not even Vanessa. - I love me some Angelo Yee, but "Hutty-7" is still their original girl. - Thank you. Hello. - Oh, yeah. Anyway, so anyway, I watched the breakfast club interview with Ross and him, right? And let me just say, that's the first time in like 20 years I've heard Ross speak. I've never heard him say word ever. - I've said it on a couple interviews with him when he comes to Hut, he's actually pretty well spoken. - He is. - He came off that way. - Yeah, very good. - He's very well media trained. That's the thing. - He came off that way, right? So I'm watching his interview. - That's a persona. - Well, no, he did a good job. He was-- - No, but I'm saying he was articulate. - He articulated himself well. He was well spoken, and I was watching his interview, which was 30 minutes long, and 10, 15 minutes in, I'm like, I never knew that about Ross, but I mean, it makes sense because you can't be as successful as he is and not have some work of a brain, right? So then-- - Right. - So then, let me get to my point because then they brought his girlfriend on. - Yep, to sit in his lap, I read. - Oh, they brought his girlfriend on. - Well, no, I'm sorry, his fiance. - His fiance. - His fiance. - That's all right. - Was she articulate? - I heard, my best friend texted me and said she sounded like a fucking airhead, but I don't know, I didn't watch. - Well, to Lyra's defense-- - And fuck you, best friend, for watching-- - No, I-- - Lyra's calling me. - Lyra-- - She's a nice girl. - She only said five words. - That she had a crush on him is what I'm saying. - She only said about five to ten words. You could tell it was one of those things where she knows she wasn't there to speak freely. - No. - What did she speak about? - About how she had-- I saw this on Baller Alert, guys, so don't say-- - I thought you didn't watch the interview. - About how she had a crush on him since she was 19 years old and she had tweeted at that age. - What's her name? - Oh, care. - That she had tweeted at 19 that she wanted to marry him and she was like, "And then--" - And then I found out he had a crush, too. - So all I could think, I mean, this set off a whirlwind of thoughts in my brain. I was then a bit flustered and confused. I didn't know how this young girl, 'cause it wasn't about the five words she said. - She is young. - It was about the way that she said-- - Yes, she's 22. - Is she 22? - She's 22 and a fresh kid. - She might have just turned 22. - Literally, like a month ago, not even. - I know, I guess maybe I was empathizing, because I have dated women that young. - Yes, you have. - Right, right, right. - We don't have anything in common. - Yes. - I have nothing in common with women that age. - That's how I feel. I don't have anything in common with 27-year-old men. I don't-- - They can't keep my-- - 27-year-old men. - A 21, 22-- - 22, 22-year-old men. - 22-year-old men. - I can't-- - 22-year-old men. - Anything in the 20s. I don't-- - Yeah, they don't keep my brain enamored. They don't keep me-- they're not at wit-- they can't keep wits-- match wits with somebody like me. - Oh, yeah. - So when she said these five words-- - You were like, "Wow, you're fucking retarded?" - No, no, I didn't say that, but she seemed like a real sweet girl, and he-- and kudos to him, because he spoke her up. You know, every chance he got, he was like, "She's a boss, she's ambitious, she's--" You know, he did his best to speak her up. They can't have very much in common. - She's a pretty girl. - I mean, yeah, she looks just like that other bitch, a miracle lot. - Oh. - I get them confused-- - There was a lot of memes with miracle Watson. - You know what? I will say, though, and I mean, not to be a dick, which will not to be myself-- at one point, miracle and lira, because they do look a little like-- I think they have ties to the same guy. - The manager. - Yeah, that-- - Oh, Jacob, you're-- - No, no, the guy-- the guy-- you have a fantastic guy to taste the pictures. - Oh. - He used to date miracle, and then they had a nasty breakup. - Gotcha. - And then he managed lira-- I don't fucking know, but lira kind of left miracle and it does, huh? - Yes, she did it. - Yes, she did it. - Yeah, she did it. - I don't know. - And she got the ring from Rick Ross, though. - Yes, she was-- - You gotta get her out. - Oh, you won. Okay, I'm out, y'all. I gotta go. - I don't-- I don't really think-- - But you know what? This is another thing about me. I don't think you're winning by getting a ring from a man. - You're winning when you meet a man that can match your mind, that for me, well, that's my opinion. - No, I'm in. - 'Cause I'm a little bit of a weirdo, but whatever. - Well, coming from her, and this is a much older, much more successful, much more intelligent just by age-wise than she is. - Well, she-- - So this could be a score for her, 'cause now she can-- - Oh, I'll definitely score. - 'Cause Rick Ross is definitely smart, even though that fucking interview annoyed the shit out of me, 'cause he just kept relaying everything to, "I'm a boss, I make boss moves," which isn't answering a fucking question, but he's very well-spoken in that aspect, so this could be a win for her. She's being mentored by one of the most successful rappers in the world right now. - No, yes, he might be teaching-- - But flip that to her, flip on his side. - No, no, no, no, the death 100% is a win for her. - Well, I was saying-- - 1,000%-- - In the defense of her comment is saying a ring's not the only thing that I see as a win. - This is also mentally a win for her as well. - I get it, I get it, I get it. - Now, I know, I know-- - Obviously-- - Do you really think mentally it's a win for her? - For her? - For her? - Yeah, I think-- - You think he's teaching her thing? - Yeah, I think so. - Yeah, I think so. - And especially, I'm sure he's been around his fair share of-- - That's a win, then, that's a win. - Instagram models, and I'm not sure if she does anything else, but he can definitely teach her how to move as an Instagram model and not look like a ho. - I know when I-- - Teach her how to move-- - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - I don't mean because she'll teach you how to move as an-- what the fuck is an Instagram model? What is that? - Is that not what she was? A woman that-- - Lira? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Instagram, that's a career? - No. - No. - Definitely not a career. - No. - I'm just so sick of it. - It's not a career. - It's people-- - I'm not a rant, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. - I don't go off, baby. - No, I'm not. - I'm not gonna go off, I'm not, I'm not. - All right. - 'Cause I don't think Instagram model is a job, I don't know-- - No one's saying that. - It's this woman posted pictures of her looking very attractive as a way to get popularity in some case she may host a party or two or sell some fit team, maybe a fucking waste trainer, and then get to Rick Rose. - I mean, I don't know any-- - There it is. - I don't think parties, it can make money hosting parties, I make lots of money hosting parties. - I don't know any of Lira's business. I have followed her for quite some time, we followed each other for quite some time. I can't ever remember her coming off birdie. - No. - Yeah, nah, she's cool. She's just a young girl. - Well, has she had enough time to come off birdie? - Yes. - I just started following her this year. - No, no, she's had enough time. Don't get it fucked up just because these girls are young, a lot of them come off birdie. - Yes. - She's done a good job at avoiding that. - Yeah, I think Lira's cool. - Yeah, yeah, she's cool. - I don't know. - I mean, my thing, I know my model when I dated younger woman was always, I'm already successful, I've already got money, I already cook, I already clean, I've got a fucking chef, I've got a maid, I'm low maintenance. So I don't require very much from these women. But that was the wrong route because you need someone who can keep up mentally. - Hey, right, right, that's how I feel. I feel like, if I'm going to date anyone, whether it's an entertainment or just, you know, regular life, I just want to learn from them, I want, and I want to be able to teach some things too. - Yeah, let me say that if you are with, if you're with somebody, and again, this is my train of thought today. - I'm going to be single for the rest of my life. - No, you're not, Steph, you'll be fine. - It's what- - You're drinking Marissa's water. Pray for me. - No, no. - Yeah, I'm joking. - I'm joking. - I don't know if you're drunk. No, I will pray for you if you're drinking or what. But go to bathroom, baby. Go. - We'll slut sham in the meantime. I will say, and I'll watch you walk away. Knock everything down. Why don't you- - I'm like everything. - It's fine, it's fine. Let me just look- - Jesus Mary. - I'm telling you. God, I don't know how I do it. How do I fucking stay platonic friends with these women? - I don't know. I just my first time meeting her. - Oh, you never met her boy? - No. - I've been friends with Stephanie for, I want to say, about four or five years. - At what point did you see her and think platonic? This is my thing, and I'll say this while she's out of the room. - I know. That's why we're having this man come with me. - I'm whispering like we're not in the box. - Yo, I'm not editing this but- - No, no, no, we don't, we don't. - This is my thing. You know what happens a lot of times with me? I see these beautiful women because she is beautiful with an amazing body, right? - Yeah. - So I see these beautiful women, and then I'll meet them, and because I'm an anal Virgo who's really after mental stimulation, I'm like, "I can't fuck you. I can't. I just can't." - She seems intelligent and up to par though, or is it too late now? Now you're too far in the friendship. - We're too fly. We're too fly. - That was bad, Courtney, we're gone. - Everything I'm saying is corny, but it's true. A lot of the women that people see me in pictures with, and that I say are platonic friends, they're beautiful women, I just can't stick my dick in them. And Stephanie's Puerto Rican. - Yeah. - You know, to the people that don't know, if you fuck a Puerto Rican, if you look at a Puerto Rican, if you just catch eye contact with a Puerto Rican, you are their boyfriend, they get really emotional and they start acting fucking crazy. I personally can't deal with it. Stephanie's Puerto Rican. - Where's she from? - She's from the Bronx. - Oh, yeah. - Where's she living in Jersey? - Well, no, I'm just being from the Bronx. - From the Bronx? - Yeah, yeah. - But she's Puerto Rican. So yeah, if I were to stick my penis inside of Stephanie Santiago, like, yeah. - I get it. - I can't do it. I can't do it. - I get it. - But it's a shame that people see... - Oh, no, it hit me. I heard the last name. She does a ye shit. - Yeah. - Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. - Yeah, no, I listened back the time I listened to it was when Kaitlyn was on there after we spoke on the podcast and Kaitlyn had made some comments about you. - Yeah. - That's when I actually listened to lip service. Yeah, yeah, I've heard her on there. I should have recognized her voice. She's a beautiful girl. - Yeah, yeah. You know, she's fine. I just can't. I'm like that. I mean, I get a bad rap. I know that I've created that rap for myself. I'm perfectly aware of that. But yeah, I can't do it, but she's great. She's great. And most of my platonic friends are that way. I wish you ever come back and talk and look at her. I've definitely grown in the past five years to not try to stick my dick and everything that I like. - Yeah, at some point you have to be a bit more responsible sexually. - Yeah. - And passing up on the pussy can be so much better than getting into it. - Yeah, it's much more gratifying sometimes. - And she becomes an asset. Maybe she has a woman that you would want to stick your dick. - Yeah. - That's what I was with. - Exactly. - So you're now getting her whole network. - Yeah. - And yeah, that's why I think we should respect women for who they are and not- - I agree. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - We were just talking about respecting women. - And how much we love and respect women. - Yeah, yeah, we really respect women. - You know what? - Come sit down. - I have to say something about respecting women. - Say something about it. - Women deserve respect if they present themselves with respect. And that's just the bottom one. - Yeah, get closer to the mic. - Oh, here? - Here? - Yes. - See, y'all got stuff. - And man, it would pull up the bevel shit. Pull up one of our sponsors. - Oh, I had the best segue for Victor Cruz the bevel, but it's ruined now. - All right. Now let's do it anyway. We can do it. Let's recreate it. - All right. - Fuck. - Now I can open it up. - All right, so you open it up. - I'll talk. So yeah, man. So the BET Hip Hop Awards are this weekend normally, and this is why I'm a little confused. Normally we'll hear something about the ciphers, but I haven't heard a word about the ciphers. This year, for some reason. - I want to say, Joey, you and Slaughterhouse had one of the best ciphers. - Oh, thank you, Steph. - And like, BET Hip Hop Awards history. - Yeah, but that was a really good cipher that was-- - Wasn't it good? - Yeah, I really enjoyed it. You know, when that cipher came out, I was on vacation in DR, and the resort that I was at, they had the worst Wi-Fi ever, so I couldn't see it. I couldn't watch it, and I just was reading the comments, and people really seemed to enjoy that cipher. But the cipher was, you know, those-- that's what the hip hop awards were about at one point. They were really revered. - Right. - And now, to not hear a word about-- - Yeah, usually they announce it ahead of time. - That's what I'm saying. So to not know about who's rhyming on the cipher, they really could call me-- - What is rhyming on the cipher? - I have no idea. - I have no idea. - I have no idea. - I have no idea. - Are you serious? - Usually they fake leak the list. - Yeah. - Like they pretend like they took up-- - Exactly. - Someone took a picture. - Who it is? - Nah, I did. I still know. - I don't know. You know what's funny? I saw Steven Hill today. - Okay. - When I did-- - She's Steven Hill. - When I did "Shall on Me" she-- - Oh, okay. - I did have a common sense today. - Yeah, yeah. - And I should have asked him about it. That's a little weird, right? - It is. - I'm happy that we did-- - And you did it on Common Sense together today. - Oh, you did it too? That's cute. - Yeah, we did on Common Sense together. I felt a little weird doing the show, because I have shitted on that show repeatedly multiple times. Here I am, sitting here on the show doing it. But I was able to address part of the problem that I had with "Shall on Me" and I was able to speak to him about it directly. - Oh, nice. - And the problem was, like I said to him, is I called me out for what I thought to be weird behavior coming from him in the relationship, and everybody killed me. And we're not going to heart back on this, but I'm just telling you what I told "Shall on Me." Everybody killed me, "Shall on Me" and "Donkey the Day" killed me, dragged my name through the fucking mud, and I was hurt by it. - I really? - Yeah, he killed me, drew me through the mud. I was hurt by it, because I know "Shall on Me" from South Carolina, like when he was on radio out there and nobody, before "Wendy Williams," nobody had any idea who he was. We used to go to club together, we might have got bitches together, like, so, like you don't have to be for me, but don't be against me. So he killed me, and then Drake comes behind me and he says the exact same thing and he's applauded. And now, I know that Drake is more successful, he's much more likable. - And it sounded better when he said it too. - And that's what "Shall on Me" said. - That's what "Shall on Me" said. - It sounded much better. - "Shall on Me" said it. - I could sing it along. - "Shall on Me" said, "Well, I mean, you're right, but it sounded better when Drake said it." - Yeah. - And I said, "Well, yeah, because he wrapped it." - When it comes to the make and Drake thing for me, I just feel like, you know, meek went for something that he can't really come up against, you know? - I mean, we've had this conversation on this podcast. - We're seeing it. - Yeah. - I mean, it's an old topic, but there are rumors swirling around, and I really hope they're untrue, that he plans to respond. - Oh, I hope he doesn't. He should just leave the world. - It was art world. - It's gonna make great music. - He took something. - You've done it before, you can make good music again. - Right, right. - Yeah, I agree with that. - Has he done it before? - Yeah. - To me, he's made great records. - Which ones? - The intro. - Exactly. Anything else? - I'm a boss. That was his record. - I'm a boss. - I'm a boss. - Is his record? - That's his record. - That's his record. - That's his record. - No, I liked amen and Drake. - No, but that intro, that intro was like the best shit he ever made. - You made one of your greatest intros ever, so I mean, that can never be taken away from him. - I like, still, hold on, wait a minute, like what? - Yeah, no, the guy has some talent, but then that's the thing with the music. If he did it in the BET Cypher, it would have been great. - All you have to do is, all you have to do is come back without one and people forget about all bullshit. - Yeah, that's what we said on the podcast, though. - Well, see. - Or District in the Cyphers, BET. - I don't ever think the diss and Drake is a good idea. - Is Mick Mill gonna be in a Cyphers at the BET Awards? - We don't know. - No one will ever know. - I'm gonna say, Joe's not the only person that's been in the BET Cyphers in this room. - Let me tell you, I hope you've been in Cypher. - Yeah. - You have? - I was behind Kendrick Lamar, Big Crit, MGK, B-O-B, and somebody else in a slow-box t-shirt. - Sounds like a good Cypher, though. - Why were you there? - I was Shy Money XL's intern at that time. - Oh, oh, oh. - I was young, young, young, young, young. - Still young, young, young. - No, no, no. I was like a teenager. - Did you see the slaughterhouse, Cypher? - Yeah, it was the same year. I think y'all did the first one. - It was the first one. - Yeah. - The slaughterhouse, Cypher, was like insane. I'm like hip hop, like I know I'm a crazy drunk right now. I'm a little drunk. - Me too. Well, I'm not drunk now. - But, you know, I can talk forever, that's why I have these radio opportunities. - Do you have any alcohol with you now? - No. - No, I'd like some more. - You know me, I thought you would burn something. - That's late. That's why I was late. - At the end of the day, and at the beginning of the day, I am hip hop. I like hip hop, I listen to tribe, I listen to common. - Hey. - Wooting, you know, I was young, but in the 90s, that's my music. That's when I want to feel good, I put common on. - I was having a conversation with Charlemagne today, and he was trying to say he feels like hip hop is in an amazing space, which I don't just-- - I wish I was on the panel for that conversation. - I don't disagree with him, hip hop may be in a great space. - I don't think hip hop is in a great space. - Yeah, I don't know if I agree with him either. But he was trying to say that this is like the second coming of the golden era. - No. - And we were on set, so I didn't really have time to go into it with him, but I was offended by it, and I wanted to really have that conversation, so I'm going to shoot him a text and see if he'll do the podcast to really get into his thoughts about that. 'Cause the golden era, to me, is called the golden era for a reason. - Yes. - I do agree, hip hop's in a great space. - I don't think hip hop is in a great space. - The new golden era. - No, no, no, no. Not at all. Not at all. - I think hip hop is almost extinct like dinosaurs. - We need a-- - I think we have a new form of, I don't know, what do you want to call it, rap music. And it's trap music, it's a lot of turn up, good beats, but as far as lyrics and really rapping about being conscious, it said we're probably in the worst place hip hop has ever been. In my opinion, that's just my opinion. - I think mid 2000s when snapping was thinking about it. - We got, we got like Jay Cole, and we got Joey, and we got like, we got a couple. - Kendrick, I think Drake. - Kendrick Lamar, for LA, he's amazing. - I mean, we have some people, we have some people. - We got, but in the 90s, everybody was some people. - Yeah, everybody was people. - And like, you can't call this a golden era in hip hop? - No, I do-- - I wish I was on a panel for "Uncoming Sense." - No, we do need a name for this generation. - It's a trap nap. It's either trap music or rap that'll put you to sleep. - We do need a name. - I just freaked out that, by the way. - That was a good freestyle, man. - And I said we're in this trap turn up ever early, but I mean, hopefully we can get him on it actually, so he can elaborate on the point. - Yeah, I think, I don't think we're in hip hop, I think we're in trap music. That's what I think. - Do we have-- - Yeah. - No, just a backtrack to Victor Cruz, I think there might be a reason why all these women want him. - Well, Roy. - Why? - Why? - Because he's Puerto Rican and he's high insects. - Well, is there another reason? - I think it looked like he was using a new product. - What? - Well, what product do you think that might have been? - Could it be be Bevel? - Hey, I think that that might just be the product that he was using. - Do you know anything about this product? - Well, I don't know anything about this product. - Well, Stephanie, let me be the-- - Please, please. I'm the first person to tell you it's the first and only shaving system for men with coarse curly hair or sensitive skin. It's clinically proven to reduce and prevent razor bumps, discoloration, and irritation. There's a reason that nine out of ten Bevel customers come back month after month, up to 80% of black men and women struggle with razor bumps and up to 30% of all men and women encounter razor bumps as well. That was the same thing. I don't know why it's there. Multi-blade razors only cause more irritation and razor bumps while hair removal creams are messy and can leave bumps. The Bevel razor uses a single blade which cuts hair above the skin not beneath so you can avoid painful and grown hairs. That's right. Bevel is great. I have the product. I use it. Works wonders for me. And I've been stopped getting razor bumps because I'm a real ass nigga. - And that's why Victor Cruz is so sexy. - Exactly. - But when he was on the road, I heard he switched razors. That's why his girl found out and that's why his inbox is all fucked up. - That's why he fucked it all up. - Yeah. So if you continue with the Bevel and you're cheating, you won't get caught. - You won't get caught. - Exactly. - Cause you'll shave off all that mess. - So now and another thing, and another thing, I was going to say, put, never forget it. - It's fine. Another thing with Victor Cruz, he was slated to start last week. But he didn't. And this week he's been missing out on practice so I don't think he will start. So fantasy owners out there, I know you've been anxiously awaiting his arrival, but you gotta sit it out. I don't think he will be back this year. I mean, I'm not this year, but this week anyway. I want to say go Giants and they're pursued to win the division. - Oh, Chad. That was another reason. - Let's go Chad. - I also don't think he'll be a great starter for Fandul. - And go Jets. - No, no, and go Jets. Yeah, no. So Victor Cruz would not be a great starter for Fandul. - You know, I haven't, you know, I used to play fantasy football and I haven't. But I hear Fandul, people are making money on Fandul. - Well, it's funny that you say that, Steph. Fandul is the leader in one week fantasy football with more winners and more payouts than any other site. They are paying out over $75 million a week. This football season league started just $1 anyone can play. Go to fandul.com/buttonbudde and join my private week to league. It's $5 to join and first place wins $200 to top 40 teams all win cash. Special offers for new users for every dollar you deposit. Fandul will match it with up to $200 that gets earned as you play. As a bonus of up to $200, offer is only good for the first 50 people that sign up for my league. Now, Devontay Freeman of the Atlanta Falcons has been on a tier. Homeboy Cole, because they had a, they had a few running backs. They were doing like a three-headed monster type of thing. Cole got injured. Devontay Freeman took off. So now I think Cole is out of his job. He got me about 50 points last week and this week, he got me about 35, 37. Matt Ryan is going to continue to be on this offensive tier. Devontay Freeman for the price that you can pick him up. I say pick him up. I think Justin Forsett of the Baltimore Ravens is back. He had a three-week slump where I binged his fucking ass because he was doing me no good, but I think he's back. He got about 16 points in PPR league, so I think it's safe to play him. Murray, Murray to running back from the Oakland Raiders, he was horrible for me this past week. And you already know the quarterbacks that you can go to, they're all exact same, but just be very careful. Don't fuck Peyton Manning. He's been killing me for the past two weeks. Well, let me tell you, Peyton Manning, I had a lot of fantasy football. Fantasy football is great. Peyton Manning, the Broncos are winning a different way. They're winning on defense. Peyton Manning, PPR league's had about eight or nine points this past week. Yeah, you want to leave him alone. Let me tell you, I had a problem at tight end and Charles Clay of the Buffalo Bills, who should be available on most waiver wires, is balling. I picked him up and let me tell you, I had, who was I complaining about, I had Owen Daniels of the Broncos. He's shitted on me, right? I had O'Donnell, O'Dennell, whatever his name is from the Giants. He did me no good. I picked up Heath Miller, but when Ben went down, he did me no good, so I picked up Charles Clay off the waiver wire. He's got me 20 points for two weeks in a row, so he's doing real good out there. So be real careful with your selection again. Go to fandullforward/button.com and pick your team and you can pick a new team every single week. Maybe if Victor Cruz played, he could have got some more money and paid off one of them hoes not to talk. Yeah, don't, don't be the dickhead and pick, and pick Victor Cruz. I saw somebody, I saw somebody pick up to row Owens and I was really confused. Oh my God, see who I haven't been playing for, how many? Yeah, exactly. I was really confused by that. So be careful. No, but I'm very interested in fandull. You should play. I, I, I am going to play because I'm amazing at fantasy football. I'm a football girl. Yeah, you play under my name. We'll talk. I'm not even, I'm not even lying, like you know that. We'll be together. We'll be together and Atlanta. No. Steph is a hardcore. I'm a hardcore. Wait, but now that you say that, man, it's got to be really good for you to see you guys sitting at three and one after all of the hard years that you've had to witness. No, no, no. We haven't. The last two were terrible. The last two seasons were, were, were just, but I mean, I don't want to hate Rex Ryan completely. He did get me to the playoffs a few times. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm a real jet. I, I, I watch football and, you know, I, I'm appreciative. I'm grateful and we sucked at the last two seasons. No, listen. But whatever, though I'm a giant fan, I, I root for all New York based teams. I don't. I only root for the Jets. I know. It's fine. You got you, you got you fans that are like ex fans, the Nets, Mets and Jets. Exactly. And you're usually from Long Island. And I don't, I don't fuck with the Mets either. Or Jewish. Everybody's like, Oh, so you're a Mets fan. So you're a Mets fan, right? That's usually how it goes though. Well, speaking of. Like now, never. Well, by the way, I think we forgot, did you say the code for Bevel to backtrack? The code is Joe for 20% off the code for Bevel.com is Joe J.O.E. and you get 20% off. But on to a more serious note with, with the wild card and the play based on MLB playoff starting, um, C.C. Sybathia announced the other day that he would not be joining the Yankees as he would be inserting himself into alcohol rehabilitation center and he won't be available to the team. Wow. I want to commend him. I want to say a prayer for him and his family. He's a really good associate of mine. I hope he gets all the help that he needs. And I don't want Yankee fans out there to be selfish and say, damn, you're going to do that right before the playoffs. Listen, if the guy wants to save his life, there's no better time than the present time. And I want to, I want everybody out there to keep C.C. Sybathia and their prayers. He's a great guy, man. Great guys. So hopefully all works out for him. And I'm not sure. I mean, he wasn't bitching that great anyways on me. But I was at the conversation with the Yankees fan and my family that was upset about it. I said, if he's going right before the playoffs, you know, fucking bad he must be right now. Yeah. Like he's really got to be fucked up. He doesn't want to embarrass himself. Yeah. Like he's got to really, really be down. I agree. I agree. If he's doing this before, yeah. And the guy that is that passionate about baseball, I'm sure that he doesn't enjoy the timing of all of this. But you know, you got to do what you got to do. The guy has a family, the guy has children to have a good segue for alcoholics after this. Oh, yeah. Let's hear it. We got to talk Keith Murray, man. Who? It's got it's has to be talked about. We have to do it. Frederick Starr, Keith Murray. Hey, Austin. How much time are we? Yeah, we got to talk about it 67. We got one minute. Keith Murray and Fredro Starr had a battle. Wait, wait. We're talking about onyx. Yes. Onyx, Fredro, and Def Squad, Keith Murray, the most beautiful thing in the world. They had a battle. And a lot of the current battle rappers were there, shout out to Lux, math, move, who cost them? Good. Listen, babe. Listen. Listen. Yeah. Yeah, it was. Go, go. So money paid these two to do this. Mm-hmm. Now, I'm probably the last one to talk, being asked down, mine and hollow's battle was pretty underwhelming, but this one here, I think that Keith Murray, and I don't really want to spend too much time on this because Keith Murray, I think that he is suffering from a disease. I think that he was on something the entire time he spent most of the battle pushing people. He seemed belligerent. I'm not sure. And Keith Murray is known for just punching people in their face. I know when I first got to Def Jam, he had a problem with the amount of attention I was getting as the new kid on the block. And he certainly went up there and punched a couple of people in the face. So, I mean, that just speaks to the person that we're talking about. So I don't want to spend too much time on it. We'll say, I think that "Fredial One," I will say, I think that whoever-- That was my next question about "Fredial." Yeah, he won. I do think that whoever threw this event lost, and I would like to know who paid these gentlemen and how much he paid them. "Fredial wasn't bad, man. He had some bars." Just, unfortunately, he was in a situation where it was almost unwatchable and unbearable to see. Can I see? It's on YouTube. Yeah. You can YouTube it. You can YouTube it and see Keith Murray. I'm very interested. And you can YouTube it. Keith Murray versus "Fredial Star," it was a new league that they were in a makeshift boxing ring. There were referees in the ring. And I mean-- There were props, too. There were props as well. Keith Murray decided to put on a dread wig and pretend he was care as one. And they were rapping over beats. Yeah. I mean, for most of it, anyway, I mean-- Which was a cool spin from them. Let me tell you something. I don't particularly suggest that people watch it. I know when people-- I'm going to watch it. It's a good laugh. I know when I-- I don't know. It's hip-hop, though, right? It was-- It was hip-hop. I was like-- When I cut it on, I couldn't turn away. No. I watched-- Exactly. We were solving any money yesterday. I was like, now-- I want to get it, but you can't stop. I watched the entire thing. I also watched the whole thing. I couldn't turn it off. I couldn't turn it off. It was like, what's going to happen next? But shout out to "Fredial Star." He conducted himself very well in a real intense situation. Oh, very talented. He's a rapper. And he's done really well in acting. Well, both of these gentlemen are staple in hip-hop. No, absolutely. Keith Murray. Absolutely. You were like watching when you were a kid, seeing your uncle who you thought was the fucking man, and then you grow up and realize he's a fucking basshead-laying man. That's really what it felt like when I was watching that shit. Really? Yeah. I'm just coming from here. I'm just coming from here. I'm going to watch it when I get home. Watch it for yourself on YouTube. And we can talk about it when we're in Atlanta at the BET Awards. So that's it. I think we covered a lot of ground. I want to thank Stephanie Santiago for hanging out with us. No, thank you for having me. I'm sorry. I talked so much. No, no. This is my job here. Like you weren't as long-winded as I'm used to you being. This is my friend. I can talk to him for a 25-hour street. Yeah. Stepful fucking. She'll run her fucking mouth, but no. But she did really good. Rory, thank you for joining us. Even if you were late. Yeah. No, it's okay. It was due to work. No, it's fine. Go out there. You got to earn your white privilege somehow. Yeah. And that's it, man. See you guys at any time. White privilege is not earned. Yeah, that's right. It was taken. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. At the same time, same place next week. I'll name this podcast later.