The Joe Budden Podcast
I'll Name This Podcast Later Episode 21
Won't bore you too much with the description, as most of you know Meek Mill & Nicki Minaj were not thrilled with Joe's comments about them from Episode 20; so the trio sits down and Joe clears up exactly what was said, as well as some more current events with our (sort of) guest Biz. *****If you want to write into the show and ask us for advice on something going on in your life, or would like to tell us a story, or just tell us how much you enjoy our amazing podcast email illnamethispodcastlater@gmail.com we will pick a few each week and read them on the show!***** SUBSCRIBE at itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/ill-n…i=335888425&mt=2 ....and rate, comment, etc!
- And we are live. - With no engineer. - This is great. - Well, we got an engineer. We have someone who came and was instructed on how to work the Pro Tools, so we are good. - Hopefully, what's the focus? - Let's try to make sure we don't say too much that needs to be edited out today. - Word. - For some reason, in 21 episodes, 'cause this is 21, right? - This is. - This is 21. - Oh, we've always had an engineer. - Yeah. - And magically-- - Actually, sometimes we have two engineers. - Yeah. - Sometimes we do. - Sometimes three. - We've had three at times. - Magically, this week, for some strange reason, there are none now. The conspiracy theorist in me could think of a few reasons why there would not be an engineer, but no need to do that. I will name this podcast later, episode number 21. - Yeah. - We are here, and the time has finally come. I've waited for this time to come for all of 20 weeks. I've said to myself each and every time we have finished this podcast, wow, no one's offended. (laughing) We have slandered many of people here. We have joked on quite a few people, quite a few people of notoriety-- - Much worse than last episode. - Much. - Much, much, much, much worse. Some of you that listen to this podcast already know this information. However, I feel like we have been introduced to a new audience, as of late. - A huge young audience. - So let's start there. - Hello, new people. (laughing) - I'm a little scared of this audience. - Welcome. - I know, I don't know. We don't know their demographic yet. We kind of got used to our listeners. They learned all our names, our code names. - Yeah, so for the new people that are listening to this podcast, we have Rory in the room. - Hello. - We have Mottie the body in the room. - Well, new listeners. - Marissa Mendez is the real name. Thank you. - And I am your host, Joe Button. So last week, the last week, we spoke about the awards, which I'm sure many people spoke about the awards. - Which was the overall topic. Wasn't anybody in particular? - Which should have been the overall topic, because the awards a lot took place. They were very long, and there was a lot of content to be discussed. On this podcast, we spoke about Omika. And we made some jokes. We made some jokes that unbeknownst to me. - Don't talk to me. (laughing) - We made some jokes that I thought anyone with half of a brain would be able to tell that they were jokes. - You know what? Next time they know better. - Exactly. - Anytime you implement light skin versus dark skin, chances are the person saying these comments are not serious. However, I have been chastising Marissa for the past few weeks and trying to teach her how to be an adult. And I've been trying to teach her that when you offend people, the correct thing to do is apologize. You cannot dictate how the other person behaves once they are offended. - Mm-hmm. - So we will start there. I want to send a big heartfelt apology to Omika. - Is that one? - To (laughing) to both Nicki Minaj and Meek Mill, for I would assume that they were offended by the comments made on this podcast. - I'm glad you heard. - Let's preface this with that. Now, in this little, I certainly won't call it a beef, but I do think that what took place was we sent some jokes on this podcast. The blogs got a hold of it. They sent transcripts out in the headlines. - But you know what the real problem was? It wasn't even a transcript. One site started it and the quote, they put quotations and it said, "Joe Budden says, quote, "Meek Mill is a simp who won't outsell Big Sean." And that is where the problem is. If you know, well, I think that was like a real low budget blog that said that. That was cool, nobody really paid that any mind, but then this story began to pick up some steam and multiple blogs begin reporting this now. I certainly was ignoring this. I know how blogs work, blogs, they grab the hot headline, so they can grab as many clicks as possible from the audience. So I ignored this. I'm pretty sure that Meek saw all this happening as well, and I was under the assumption that he was also ignoring this until he did not ignore it. I'm gonna assume that the public outcry, you could no longer ignore and you had to address it in which he did. - Yep. Well, where everything changed was it was on the blogs and then it kind of died down. And then an image of the quote, it was just context, it wasn't even an audio clip, it was just the words on a screen, that went viral. And I think that's when Meek could not ignore it anymore because the entire timeline was talking about it. Now, 'cause after the blogs, it died down a bit. - I really thought this was a non-story, but transcripts, like I said, so if you're reading this transcript and you take this as a serious sentiment from someone, then by all means have a blast. That person probably does sound like an idiot and a retard. However, let me be the first to inform people I could really care less about anyone's relationship, by the way, unless you're my friend and you're coming to me for advice, then I have to care and I have to teach you some things. But yeah, I don't really care. I'm not invested in anyone's relationship. And we joke a lot here and we will continue to joke. And the same way that some of those gestures that Meek made at the awards was funny last week, it's funny to me this week, it is funny, but I don't wanna offend anyone. So we won't harp on that for too long. And he sucked the fucking barbs on me, it was horrible. It was really, really bad. About a third of the barbs. You got a whole lot of these little fucking sound bites, don't you? - I'm fucking annoyed that someone was getting the hits on their YouTube for our fucking thing. Who the hell keeps uploading the shit to YouTube? - It's about it. Oh, I think all our episodes are going to quit. - Yeah, they do. I wanna know who that people keep hitting me like, oh, you delayed an episode, blah, blah on YouTube. My bra, that's not us. - Well, everything goes to YouTube. Anything in the universe people upload to YouTube. So you shouldn't be upset about it. So, but this is the old story. This is from last week. I'm actually shocked that it's still a story. I thought this would be a non-story. Oh, and then one of the quotes was, Meek Mill won't sell more than Big Sean. - Yeah, Big Sean, who won't sell Big Sean? For those of you that are unaware, last week we introduced a topic where we attempt to guess the numbers of albums that are being released. Rory won, congratulations to Rory. - Thank you, I wish we actually picked a prize last week. - Well, we should have made a bet. And congratulations to Meek, 216,000 copies. Amazing job, number one album in the country. I don't think, I think there's so much, there's so many great things happening as far as Meek and his album are concerned. I'm a little disappointed that this has become such a-- - Well, A, you know, people live, live, live, live for the messy shit, and B, it was a holiday weekend and it happened on a Friday. So a lot of the radio host and shit like that aren't getting back until today. So that's why it's still being discussed today. - Well, I don't want to add any negativity to all of these positive headlines regarding Meek and Nikki and Omiko or anything of the sort. I don't want to add any negativity to anything. - The negative connotation behind "Bwest Up". - Oh my fucking goodness. (laughing) It's going on in the universe. So you don't even have an applause in there, do you? Of course you don't. - I don't know. - Of course you don't. You just got a bunch of dickhead shit. - I got to store it. - A bunch of dickhead shit. - Are we even hearing this? I hope so. - Yeah, I can hear it in my headphones. - No, no, you hear anything, 'cause you're a barb. You hear anything with that. (laughing) I thought you would be going in on me fucking soon. But, so that is the end of that. I know there will not be any diss tracks headed toward me. I know there's no, it's certainly not a beef on my end. And I think through all of his tweets, he does know that those were jokes said last week. And I would hope that he has no negative feelings as well. And if he does, eventually we'll see each other and that'll be that. Um, but a lot is happening today. - A lot is happening today. - A lot is happening. Well, why was you guys on 4th of July weekend? - It was cold. He did a stay in the house, little fake barbecue. I didn't really do much, which I preferred. I like not hitting every 4th of July, but. - So, you were a loser. You did absolutely nothing. You stayed home the entire time. - Well, I went to a barbecue at someone's house. Yeah. - Wow. - Okay, when I spoke to you Sunday, it sounded like you had a lot of action going on. - Oh, me and my cousin just went out to get drinks. And my cousin is a, you know, a bit of an Irish drinker. Sometimes can't handle his liquor. - And you are not. - I can handle, I can handle large consumptions of liquor. - Oh, this fucking guy is crazy. Oh, my cousin is. All right, that's great. All right, so you guys got pissy drunk and then you had to wear them on. Okay. All right, that's good. Mighty the body. - The squad was in Miami. We did Miami things. And. - Fought too much, guys. - No, I had zero sex. Thank you very much. We did the squad. And, but we just had fun and had some sun. And I got in a fight with Michael Kors because of all this fucking attention. One of his friends heard the podcast and called him like, yo. - Let's put some backs. Not the actual Michael Kors. - Oh yeah, yeah guys. We have nicknames for my base. And Michael Kors is one of them. - Or your woes. - My woes. Michael Kors. Yeah, so he heard and. - Your back story is real wack. Marty had a guy that she was in love with. - Okay, I was not in love with him. - Oh, you were rather be on this guy for a few weeks. - No, he seemed sweet. - He seemed cute. - Well, this stuff is documented. - I know, but I didn't say I'm in love with him. - No, no, no, no, of course I'm exaggerating. - Okay, well then yeah, I was definitely big on him for you. - However, you were very big on him. - Back in April. - It was in April. - Yeah, it was, I met him in April. - Yeah, but then you got off him, you got on again like. - Yeah, then I was over him in May. - So you were big on this guy? - Yeah. - All right, and the guy has a Michael Kors watch. - They were just hilarious. - Which is why we decided to call him Michael Kors. So you said some really horrible, hurtful things last week. Let's just address everyone that we pissed off last week. - Okay, right. And I don't feel bad, I mean, no, I feel bad. I'm not apologizing for it because obviously I said it knowing that some way he could possibly hear, but I do feel like a little bit of a bully. I did say some mean-spirited things, so yeah. - I really, I always have a problem when people do this, what you're doing right now. - What? - These bullshit apologies. - I mean, it's not an apology, I'm not sorry. I just feel bad, like I'm glad 'cause I don't want to mess with him anyway, but I just feel bad a little bit. - But if you feel bad. - I didn't really think he would hear, but it didn't, like I said, it didn't really matter. It's kind of like it is what it is. - But he heard it. - Yeah, so I feel like- - And he felt away, and he was offended. - Yep, but this is already after he pissed me off like the day before 'cause he asked me something and I was like, I don't know. And he's like, man, forget it. I'm like, okay. And then he was like, I don't think we should talk anymore. I was like, why is that? He's like, 'cause you obviously don't care. I'm like, oh my Jesus, get out of your emotions. So he was already like, horny. So I really don't care that this happened. I just feel a tiny bit bad. - So you don't care that he's offended? - No, and I'm done with him. I really don't give a shit. I just, it- - But if you don't care, then why'd you feel bad? - Because I don't wanna be a bully and I felt that was a little bully-ish. I should have toned it down. - You should probably apologize to that man. - No, no, no. I mean, sorry for saying it on a public forum. I'm not sorry for what I said, boom. - People are really prideful when it comes to- - I'm not prideful, he's- - Apologies, I don't understand it. I don't get it, I'll see what the big deal is. - I mean, because then that would mean that- - You went in last week. - I did go in a little bit. - I said a lot of shit. - That wasn't very nice. It wasn't nice. Sorry. - And that is the song. (laughing) - All right, all right, you know what, I'm off it. Yeah, I can't. - So he's John, but Cleveland's still fine. And FishBot was looking for me this weekend, but I was like, I'm in Miami, boo. And then that was it, yep. - Okay, so is that like our- - That was the Bay update. Although, ooh, no, I don't even wanna talk well in the podcast, nevermind. - Why, what happened? Well, who are we talking about? - It's a major, but we're not talking about it. - Can you give me a nickname for that one? - I don't even know who you're talking about. Yeah, listen, I can't, I'm bad at beating the house. - Who I left to go do the crazy shit with in December when we were at the- - Oh, okay, I got it, I got it. - Yeah, so we need a name for him. - All right, delayed. - Delayed? - Yeah. - I get it. - I don't- (laughing) - That was crazy. (laughing) - All right, so delayed, so yeah. - So he wants to fly me back to somewhere because we missed each other, so that's pretty exciting. - You're really flourishing in this, what is this new found like JV Twitter Honey roll? - I don't know what it is. - So you're getting flown out now? - I know, this is, I've upgraded a little bit. - Are you actually going? - Yeah, I mean, we just talked about it last night, so. - What was said, you were really excited, huh? - Yeah, I was pretty, I tried to add cool though. - Were you having phone sex? - No, no, no, we don't do that. - Were you sexting? - No, we don't, no, hold on, let me read the text. - So is it just, so it's just understood, what, so you're just flying out like for dinner? - I don't know, he said, I'll be there later today. Oh, you've gone already, I said, my flight leaves a three-sad face. Damn, baby, will I ever see you, it was what he said. I said, we have to make it happen soon, he said. - Oh, wait, wait, wait, I want to, did you just say, (laughing) - Yeah, well, you did, he said, yes, we need to, say when and it's done. - Jesus. - And then we discussed a couple details and I sent some info. - What details might those have been? - Well, I just said, I can either stay later today, would have to be back tonight, or I can-- - Oh, wait, you're flying out like someone. - Well, I don't know. - What you have to ask, what about this gentleman makes you drop everything and leave to go see him? - I really like him. - Why? - He's just dope. I don't, we're not gonna talk anymore about that. - If you wanna get into him, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Anything that he does or who he is, I'm asking who he is as a person. What makes you just drop everything and say I'm going? - I have a really good time when I'm with him, and it's just someone that I like being around. (knocking) - That's all there is to it. - I don't understand women, I don't get it. - Why? - So is it to be understood that you're going to fuck? - Probably, but I've fucked them for two years now, so I might as well-- - And not consistently. - It's been every couple of months, at least, I mean, for a while it was every month, but it's hard to be in the same city. - Oh, wait, I got the people confused. - Yeah, no, yeah, you do have the people. - Oh, okay, let's see what's going on. All right, I got it, I got it, I got it. So you're going to fuck. So you're going to have sex, and you don't care, but you just broke up with Michael Kors. - We did not break up, we've been talking for like a week. Okay, it was like a month. - And you just finished saying that you're good with ABCD's other Bays on your Bay Update. - We're fine, this is not married to any of them. I'm living my life. - So you're having sex with multiple people? - Yeah, when you use a condom, it's not really a big deal. I mean, I'm not fucking the whole wide world, and I haven't fucked-- - Oh, let's not go from one extreme to the next. - And I haven't fucked a fish button for like a month. - So you got a rotation, basically? - Yeah. - All right. - And then-- - And then when I find one that I actually like, everyone's at a rotation. - You like all of them. - I know, but I mean like, that's enough to settle down. None of these guys are worthy of them. - You're not settling down. - Why don't women settle themselves? - I want to settle down. - No, you don't, you're not settling down with any of these people that you're fucking-- - Oh, I know that, that's what I'm saying. None of them are worth it. - Exactly, but how do you expect to meet someone worth settling down with? - Well, 'cause I'm not with these guys every day, so I can meet a guy at any point, and then it's really quite easy, 'cause I don't have this crazy relationship with any of them where I'm like so madly in love that I can't leave them alone, and I'm just gonna just die without them. I just stop-- - You just dropped everything to fly somewhere to have sex. - Okay, well I didn't get there yet. A, and B, that's just like when y'all have hoes too that are on deck, but then you meet a bitch and you cut off the hoes, that's it, that's what it is, these are my hoes. - Yeah, that's different. - Nope, it is exactly the same, these are my hoes. - I'm not a big fan of double standards, but I do think that that's where double standards should apply, but I don't wanna get too much into you and your fucking sex life, because yuck. It's just all fucking nasty and disgusting. Jared. - I still don't know-- - No, Jared. - I think they're saying that they're investigating and I'm part of his former partner that was found guilty of that shit two months ago and now they wanna look at Jared's files maybe to see if there's more in it, but I don't know if that necessarily means they know he's involved, they just probably gotta warrant. - Jared from Subway who lost all the weight is being investigated on child pornography charges. - Correct. - I for one am saddened by this information. - We don't know everything yet. It might, hey, he might really be into the kids. - Saden for the kids or saddened for Jared? - Um, whoa, I don't know, I'm scared to joke now, but I'm scared to make jokes now because people don't know when I'm joking. - Yeah, and for the record, can I just let people know? I am always joking, like-- - Yeah, on this podcast for sure. - I'm always joking in real life. I'm always, always, always, always, always joking unless I am not joking and then you would not need to, it won't be very hard to decipher the two because when I'm serious, it's very easy to tell when I'm serious, but really, like, what type of fucking world are we living in? You can't tell a fucking joke, Jesus. But anyway, so I don't know how to answer that question. It's coming at a bad time. Jared and these child pornography charges, Bill Cosby and his admittance to drugging women and raping them. - That's all horrible, it's too many of our icons are being destroyed here. - And don't forget about the younger generation icon. - Who might that be? - Tiger. - Oh, Jesus. - Now that is the one I do wanna talk about. I do wanna talk about that and hopefully I will not offend anyone, but for those of you who do not know how podcasts work, right, you talk about things. - Current events. Sometimes very in a very light-hearted fashion. Sometimes, well, I don't think we ever talk about anything seriously on this podcast. We try to stay awake. - No, we typically avoid it purposely. - Oh, and I do wanna let Nicki Minaj know that there's a lot of very successful people out there who do podcasts and I didn't really understand the sarcasm that she threw my way with these hashtags, #podcast. - Yeah. - I didn't get it, I didn't get it, but off of that. So, Tiger, you don't, and nobody knows this story, huh? - No, I'm very familiar with the story. - All right, so let's hear it. - Okay, so, Tiger's being called out from messing with a transsexual actress named Mia or something like that, and this person sent a ton of text messages in an email this morning to a website, and it included all these different exchanges over the course of the last two years between Tiger and this alleged woman, man thing. Oh, that was shitty. - That was horrible. - Yeah, that was bad. - That was horrible, and it was offensive. - Yes, exactly. So, I apologize to the transgender community and the-- - And the transsexual community. - Bisexual, L-B-G. - This podcast has had enough drama for me. - I respect all different preferences. - All right, well, really cool. - Anyway, so, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he included, like, D-picks. So, it matches up with this tattoo. - How'd you just say dick? - Oh, okay. - Why are you saying D? - I don't know, when I say dick pics, I don't say dick pics, I say D-picks. Anyway, so, also, face pics. And, like I said, this is over the course of two years, so it is an extensive amount of text messages, which you really can't get away from at that point. And it included a phone number at the top of it, which was proven to be his phone number from when China leaked his texts the last time. - Yeah, that number's no longer accurate. - Exactly, they say that. - He changed that number. - Yes, he's changed since China did it. - So, don't try to call this guy. - Yeah. - It's not the right number. Okay, now, this is the part where I'm just a tad bit confused. Transsexual means that you still have your... - Chinitalia. - Yes. - Yep. - So, how could this person have been having, how could, how does sex occur? And I'm only saying sex occurred because in the text messages that were released, they are saying that sex occurred. - Three sums and things of that nature. - Now, I don't, I don't, how does that... - I mean, like, I guess with any, like, when it's two men, it's always like one goes in the butt. So, he could be doing that and then getting head from this girl guy. - Well, I guess what I'm asking is, are we to assume from this that Tyga is not a straight man? That's where my confusion comes in. And I don't, I'm actually being serious now. I'm a bit naive in this area. I don't know very much about transgender, transsexual sex and how it occurs and sexuality pertaining to, I don't, I'm lost. - Or maybe he's just a big freak. - And Rory and Mottie, the body, don't seem to have very much information on this either. - No, but in the event that he did have sex with this person, you could say that he is not a straight man. - Now, I learned a term recently called pansexual. And I don't want to give out wrong and correct definitions. You can look that, you can look the terminology up yourself. But to my understanding, pansexual is someone who is just attracted to all, like anything. Like the gender doesn't really pertain to very much. - They're attracted to all human beings. - Yeah, exactly. - No matter what they are, when they got cut off, it's still there. They have a wig on, they're attracted to. - Yeah, now, I could be off there, but I'm pretty sure that that is the definition. Now, this is just a little... - I mean, we can't, you know, it's still not confirmed or proven to be true, so we can't... - Well, the text messages were released and they were talking about having sex. - Yeah, there was a lot going on there. - And when Mia text and said, hey, if anybody asks, if we did A, B, or C, just deny it because a, you know, there's a lot of message going on and he replied with okay, which said to me that he acknowledges that things took place. - Right. - And let me be perfectly clear, I don't give a fuck about anybody's sexuality. - Yeah. - I don't care, I'm not invested in it. I don't have anything negative to say about it. It's a shame I had to preface everything that I say now. - Right now, now we get to do that. - It's horrible things because the world is full of fucking idiots, but it's all right. Yeah, I don't, I don't really care, it's just very interesting to me. And that is exactly why you got to watch the shit that you text people. - You got to start sending voice notes these days. - Well, also it's a cliche cop out, but Photoshop does exist. And Photoshopping a text message is a very easy thing. - Yeah, that's what I was thinking the only thing that I'm like a little bit weary of with that is the dick pic. - Well, you, I mean, I guess you could do that too, but it just matched up with the tattoos and... - Again, you can alter any type of text message. - Or she could have got that picture from someone else, like a friend or her that really did fuck with him. 'Cause I'm not gonna say that there's not women that deal with rappers that are not trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. - Word. - So we're giving him the benefit of the doubt. - I think he deserves it at least. - As of now. - Well, I certainly am not about to convict anyone because I don't know shit about shit, but in the event that these things are true and accurate, oh man, I don't know, it's always, it's always horrible anytime a woman is leaking your fucking text messages. Like, you say things, you say things and private to people that you think will remain in confidence. - Yeah, I was thinking that earlier. - I think it's just horrible, horrible. But I am anxious to see how this plays out in the Kardashian world. - Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure they're gonna just sweep it under the rug and keep it moving just the way that they kept sweeping under the rug, all of Scott's indiscretions. - Oh yeah, and then they broke up. - Then they finally broke up. But I really feel like Courtney never gave a fuck anyway. That was a baby factory to her. He was around from before the fame, she kept him around. I was like, fuck it. I know you'll be good to pop out a few kids, pop them out right in a row, boom, boom, boom. Kicking to the curb because he's been a mess, knew he'd stay a mess, never wouldn't be a mess. - I don't know much about that. - I don't watch the shows, I don't know if he's a mess. - I'm not a... - I've seen the sound bites that he's done and I think he's hilarious from what I've seen. - And I enjoy following him on Instagram. - Yeah, anyone that calls themselves Lord Disick in such a pandering and arrogant way, I think it's hilarious. - Yeah, I respect his arrogance. - I think it's... I enjoy it. - Baby factory. - All right, yeah, I'm not a Kardashian, Connor Stewart, so I don't really know anything about that. So... - Well, I'd imagine Kylie, if this is true, I'd imagine Kylie would know something about it before. You're not gonna stay with someone, how long they've been ago? - Not true. - I don't... - She could have no idea, if they're just fucking, we'd sound like they're looking off. - Well, first of all, they're not just fucking. - Why? - No, not him and Kylie, him and me. - Oh, yeah, that's what I meant. - Yeah. - I'd imagine if you were with somebody this long that you'd have some form of hint. I'm not saying she knew, but you would have some, like, "Mm, this doesn't add up." - No, I mean, like, no one am I like him. - Well, that begs the question, at what point are you not just fucking? If you're fucking somebody for three years, is it just fucking? - Yeah. - You were quick, what did you hear? (laughing) - I had to think about it real quick. - Of course, I'm not... Let me not get any information from my... Yeah, of course. - Well, I mean, like, what do you call delay? That's been two years? - Two consistent years. - Yo, your definition of consistent, my nigga is... - It's not every month, it's like every other month. - Is that consistent? - Consistent enough. - Every other month. - One time every other month is not consistent sex. - Okay, fine. - Not at all. - Yeah, that's not consistent. - No. - That's standby. - That's why we're in the same city. - Yeah, I don't think women know the difference between consistent and standby. I don't think women know when they're on standby. - Well, consistent is very relative with women because whatever's gonna make them feel better in their scenario. - Like, I don't really give a shit either way, but it just hasn't fallen off, is all I'm saying. - Well, three years of sex with someone, I don't know if that is... What are we just saying? - If that's just fucking... - Yeah, I don't know if that's just fucking... I think you graduated some point. - Yeah, there would be some form of a solid friendship in three years of consistently fucking. - Yeah, and once there's a solid friendship, that means that you actually care. - And what's... - There's a trust factor in there. - Yeah. - 'Cause I don't see someone fucking someone for three years and not trusting the middle. - Well, no, well, I'm not gonna underestimate women and the trust issues. - I'm talking about men. I can only speak as a man. - Oh yeah, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man. Yeah, yeah, there's gotta be some type of trust there. I don't even know how that sex happens, but there would be some type of trust there. And when you care and there's trust, that will some type of way be indicative of your behavior toward this person, so now you're in like a mini relationship. Not in one, but it becomes a relationship, just not in that capacity. - Right, just not a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. - So you're gonna give somebody more of a benefit of a doubt than you typically would if they were a stranger. Is that what you're getting at? In this sense of Kylie not knowing what was going on? - Oh, I don't know if she fucking knew. I don't... I've tried to ignore every headline that's come out regarding him and Kylie. - As of I, I don't know anything about the relationship. - Yeah, I don't know if you're talking about it right now. - I don't know shit. I just know that she's fucking, have her old cheers and he likes her all. - Is she 18 yet? - Nope. - I feel like she's been 17 for four years now. - She'll be 18 in August, so next month. - I don't know, and it pains me to talk about this type of stuff. I don't talk about it now because it's that big of an issue it seems. Which is should be news. - He doesn't have a lot of back here because he is attracted to a teenager. So back to being attracted to everything. He has some history. - I think he caught some flack with that one too. - Oh, he absolutely did. I'm not gonna get into that though. (laughing) I'm not gonna get into that. - But I will say, I will say-- - Listen up and talk about it, get into it. - I will say he's not the first person that's fucking the high school chick when you have graduated. At my high school, older guys were pulling up in cars all the time, picking up the 16 and 17 year old chick. That happened every day. - I'm not gonna shoot Tyga some bail here. (laughing) But, let's be clear. When the 17 year old girl is worth-- (laughing) However much money she is worth, I wouldn't do it. However, I know quite a few people that would look at that as a business arrangement. - Yes. - I mean, and she's pregnant now. - What, when three of the, it's happened three times in a row with three of the older sisters, you'd imagine. - And you've seen those business arrangements-- - And we're talking about consistency. - Work out pretty well for some other people. I'm not gonna kill him. Yeah, I'm not gonna kill him. (laughing) I get it. I wouldn't do it. I would not do it. But you know what, let me tell you, babies now have become business arrangements. - Everything. - Marriages now have become business arrangements. Relationships have become business arrangements. Pretty much everything that has anything to do with fucking, uh-- (laughing) - And that is certainly a business family. - Nick is a gettin' love the fuck outta here. - Oh yeah. - I don't lie. - Who gets a fuck about love anymore? Let me not talk about love. - I was just-- (laughing) - Wait, am I not allowed to talk about love? - No. - Apparently not, right? - No. - Oh my god, this is impossible. Yeah, what can I talk about? What can I talk about without being fucking killed and dragged through the fucking world? - Wrapping. - Luckily for me, this is not my first rodeo. I've been dragged by-- - You offended people before? - I've been dragged by better people. (laughing) - Oh shit, here we go. No, edit. Come on. (laughing) - I've been dragged by some better-- - What the fuck? What the fuck? - I've been dragged by a few people. This is not my first rodeo here with offending people. I just handle it differently today, like I'm trying to teach Marissa to do. Today, you offend people by mistake. You apologize because you impeded on someone's feelings. Unless that was your intention. - Right. - Clearly, you don't give a fuck about offending anyone. - No, I give a fuck. - No, my 20s, I wouldn't give you a fuck either. - Sorry. - Can y'all stop kicking my brook? - I know, it hurt me on my way. - But I keep getting kicked. My foot is broke. I can't while I'm in a cast in crutches. And y'all two are like playing footsies with my cast underneath the fucking-- - I have no where to-- - All right, well, I just keep getting kicked and I can't see through the table. And it hurts. I mean, like I'm in pain. Jesus, what the fuck? Now I have fucking lost my fucking train of thought. - You were talking about your 20s. - Oh yeah, my 20s. Oh, I wouldn't have gave a fuck of my 20s. And oh, I was a wild fucking guy in my fucking-- - I know I wouldn't really say that I'm a wild guy, but it was two people that I didn't really care about their feelings. - I think you take for granted the power of listeners. - Yeah, I think I agree with you. - And this should be evidence of that. - And even if you feel the way that you said you feel the form that you chose to display that-- - Yeah, maybe I don't realize the-- Okay, no, that sounds corny, but like the power that I have when I say shit like that or the platforms that I choose to do so on. - Like someone that you spoke so highly of, you shouldn't want to embarrass. - No, but I found out that he, I was just speaking to highly of-- - So tit for tit for tit. - No, he didn't do anything mean to me. No, he's an idiot. Like he's just like not worth my time. I told you 'cause he's over there being in his feelings. - I don't think we should talk no more 'cause obviously you don't care. - Like what? Get off of my phone, you fucking little brat. Oh, I'm being mean again. - We should've guessed, we should've guessed Miguel. Miguel's numbers as well as we-- - Oh, I would've lost horribly. - Me too. - I would've-- - Shit. - Miguel did 39,000. - Yeah, I would've guessed in the 80s. - No, I thought that sounds like a decent-- - 39,000. - Well-- - Why do you think that is? - An R&B is a bit different. - Yeah. - An R&B, I feel like low numbers are tolerated a bit more so than hip hop. - Is it 'cause it's not as bracket for a good deal? - Well, no, I feel like the life of the album, the consumer purchases for a longer period of time. - Yeah, there's a slower build than any pop albums. - In comparison, Trey just did 16,000 on his first week a few weeks ago, and Mariah did pretty low as well. - Wait, Trey did what? - Like 16,000. But-- - That's not true. - Yeah, no less trigger reloaded, but in his defense it was a repackaging. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That doesn't count. And what Mariah? - I know that debate. - The elusive chain twos or some shit. - But I know it debate. - Well, I think the Miguel album's great. I really enjoy it. If you have not heard it, I think you should pick it up. What albums are out this week? - Shit. - None. - None that I could think of, isn't it? - There's nothing to guess. - Yeah, no, I can't think of anything. - Yeah, you know, I don't really, you have some people who are more concerned about with what albums sell, rather than the content. I've never been that way. I've always been a content guy. And Miguel's album for me was very anticipated. I do think that he took a little while to produce it. 'Cause it took a few years. - Yeah. - Classical Dreams came out 2012. - So it took a few years to produce, I think that people were so enamored with that kaleidoscope dreams album that he went into this with some expectations. - Yeah. And I think he needed to find a new sound, 'cause kaleidoscope dreams is a phenomenal R&B album, but it is a very in-the-box R&B album. He didn't travel too far out of a typical R&B album with kaleidoscope dreams. I got some prints out of that album. I got a bit more prints out of this one. - I got more Lenny Kravitz out of this one. It was less prints more. - Lenny's got some prints in him. - Yeah, but it's a lot more Lenny than prints. - Well, I think he was heavily involved with the album, Lenny. - So we got R&B beef, now that we're talking about it. - R&B. - We do. - R&B. - That was that pretty cute. I thought it out a while ago, I just forgot it. So Miguel was doing an interview with someone, I wish I could tell you, but in this podcast, we don't really give accurate information. - No, 'cause we get it from Twitter. - Yeah, exactly. Miguel was doing an interview in which he said something that I think has been brewing inside of him for a long time. - I agree. - I think he finally said some shit that he felt he should've said years ago. Now, this is me putting, this is my own thoughts. I don't know that this has been building inside of him for years, but he said I make better music than Frank Ocean. I don't know what question was asked. I don't know how it came up. - Well, they've been pitted against each other for a few years ever since Frank won the Grammy over him at the 2013 Grammy's for, I guess, Best R&B album or whatever the category was. So they've compared a lot. - But didn't Miguel win a Grammy? - Yeah, but maybe just not in that category. - No, not that year. I don't know, but there was a big controversy. - No, I think a dorm probably won a Grammy. - They didn't load his flower bomb, I guess. And at least in nomination. - I don't know, because we, like I said, we never give accurate information. - Yeah, if we just make shit up, everything we heard on Twitter one time. - Go off, off center and just fucking spew bullshit. - Somebody got a Grammy one time. - But it does raise the question now. Would Frank say I'm coming out this week? I mean, not this week, this month. Allegedly? - Oh, yeah, July. - Allegedly, it's coming out in July. - Boys, don't cry. - Okay. - And I think I just saw something that said, Frank and his girlfriend had a child this morning. - What? I didn't see that. - I saw that and I didn't know that Frank had a girlfriend. - Neither did I. - He's that a lot of mystique with him. - Interesting, dude. I mean, I think that's been his thing. - It works, fam. - Yeah. - Yeah, like how the weekend was in the beginning when he did no interviews from Mad Long, also cool. - So who makes better music? - Frank Ocean or Miguel? - It's tough to say right now because we have a lot more to go along. - Miguel is tangible right now. I can say that he has a better body of work than Frank Ocean right now. That may change once this-- - Why has he better catalog? - That's what I'm talking about. - Yeah, well, there's-- - Miguel has a better-- - I think Miguel has more. Shit, oh, this is tough. - No, he doesn't. He doesn't have more. - No, he doesn't. - I guess his projects are shorter. - If I'm counting Frank Ocean's-- - We're counting nostalgia ultra. - We're definitely counting nostalgia ultra, which I thought should have been included on the R&B bracket. - It's a mixed tape. - But it's a mixed tape. So you can't really include it. I think I might want to go as far as saying I enjoyed that project more than his album. Me personally. - You would not be wrong for some-- - Yeah, I agree with you. - I agree with you. - I agree with you. - I agree with you. - Cool ringtone. - It's my fault, it's my ringtone. It's my law and order ringtone. Don't ask me why my shoes don't ring, it's never on ring. But yeah, I might want to go as far as saying I enjoyed nostalgia ultra better than Channel Orange. - I think a lot of people would say that. - That's me. - And I was one of the few people to download. - Wait, hold on, we're counting projects. - Lonnie, bro. - The Lonnie, bro project with all 72 and 82-- - Which is tough. Lonnie, bro, wasn't put together to be a project. It was a bunch of records that he was writing for other people in the studio. And I, he said, I had all this work, it's not going to go out. Here, it all is not sequenced, not together, it's just a bunch of records. So I don't-- - Well, I enjoyed some of those records. - And if they weren't even for himself, then it kind of-- - What's the percentage that you like on that? 'Cause I'm one of the few people that does not really like that Lonnie, bro. - No, I don't, well, it's 82 joints. - Yeah. - Don't ask him what you're presenting. - I'm not going to like, I don't like most of it. - Yeah. - But the songs that I like from there, I really, really, really enjoy. - Yeah. - But I'm just saying, the body of work, you know, they both have, they both have-- - I feel like Miguel released a couple little tapes and they'll pass-- - Nah. - They were like little itty bitty-baby ones. - You got Miguel first album, you got kaleidoscope dreams and you have wild heart, he put out an EP that had coffee on it a few months back. - It had NWA on it too. - What did it have? - NWA. - Yeah, it did have NWA. - He put out another, like a little last year or two. - It was only four songs on that fucking EP and two of them were on album, so I'm not going to count that. - I don't know, just in my head, I felt like he released a lot more little piece of that. - I do feel like Frank is going to come with some shit. - I mean, he's been quiet for a long time, so. - I do feel like, 'cause Channel Orange is a few years ago as well. - Yeah. - They came out around the same time. They came out around the same time. - Yeah, they came out around the same time. - Yeah, they came out around the same time. - Yeah, Frank is going to come with some dialogue. - He has no choice at this point. - Sure, he has a choice. - Oh, I want to single at least soon. I do miss Frank. - Frank is not putting a single out. He didn't put a single out for the last one. I don't think a single will come out. - Well, but the public picture was worked. - Yeah, but the public picks the singles when it comes to those kind of situations. - They put a lot of money into that video and they played that video nonstop. That's working a record. - Yeah, I guess you could work it into videos. - They put that. - That's working a video. - That fucking video was everywhere. It was so well. - I've never seen a video by the way. - It's phenomenal. - Yeah, I haven't seen it either. It's an amazing-- - I just love that record. - Yeah. Well, you can't say they didn't put money into a single. That was amazing. - I don't know. I don't know enough to be able to speak on what they spent money on and what they didn't. I just know that pyramids-- - They put some money into thinking about you too. - Well, yeah, no, that was a single. That was a single. I don't think pyramids was a single, but we'll have our argument later 'cause you still think that fucking-- What do you think? Come on, what you're fucking the ill-matic shit. You still think that halftime was the single one ill-matic? - Oh, yeah, yeah. We had that conversation. And I believe I was wrong. I think that was the, I don't remember the answer, but I think I was wrong. - Yeah, you were wrong about that, by the way. But I just know I enjoy pyramids a lot, and Novocaine is one of my favorite songs ever made. - Yo, you used to blast Novocaine so heavy before he was even popping. - I still blast it. What is happening right now? - I don't know. - Bus is here and there's a camera guy. Why is there a camera guy? - Why is there a camera? - Huh? - You're a rapper? - Yeah, like-- - Wait, wait, wait. - You're a rapper. - It's not even nobody. - Wait, what's going on? (laughing) - We pull up a chair and share this mic with Marty so I can understand why I'm being-- - And the cameraman introduced himself too, just so I don't have a complete stranger in the room. - Hey, how you doing? - Good, get a chair. - I'm a tad bit confused at what's happening right this second. - Bus got the shades on. - The lights are on though. - You have to come sit here 'cause the mic-- - Why is there a camera guy here right now? - And why is he in this building initiative? - Which I understand you don't go anywhere without a camera guy. That's fine. But when you're coming on someone else's shit, I would just assume that they would have to be informed that there's a camera guy. - Naturally. - Yeah, a lot of children. - But what are we recording? - I can't, it's a bunch of stuff. - Do I get to sign a release form? - Yeah. - And in the event that I don't sign a release form-- - I can't do it on with it. - But you do plan on doing something with this footage. - Absolutely. - Because there's a microphone here that you actually have to use on a podcast, which you should know how to conduct yourself on podcasts 'cause you've been on like a podcast tour. - Yes. - Which I'm a little confused about why you see now. - I know, I'm a bit, but I'm just coming to see family, you know what I mean? - No, nah, nah, nah, nah, that one's not gonna fly. Now, I haven't seen you since the last Monopoly game when your wife said you can't play Monopoly. That's the last time I saw you. - Yeah, she wasn't crazy about me coming to see you like-- - Yeah, because women have this idea that when you come to, hang out with Joe Budden or you come to Joe Budden's house, there are wild orgies happening. 24/7, there's a bunch of fucking vixens. - All those hoes are gonna be over there. - I'm models and I'm just fucking, it's just one bit. I don't know where people get this from. Oh no, yes, I do. That's not right. Maybe at one point. - Family would be mad vixens and models in your crib. Didn't mean no one was having an orgie, but that was absolutely things that were happening. No, I'm talking about years back, that's when-- - Years ago there would be-- - Like summer 2011, that shit was-- - 2011, 2012. - 2011, 2013, no. - Things, yeah, shout out to the compound. Things are a bit different today. - It is a different avenue. - I don't choose to live my life that way. So there are not a bunch of hoes just waiting around naked for all of Joe Budden's friends to come and fucking hang out. Let me just put that out there. - If she knows Marissa's in the building, she's going with that, she fucking Marissa's heavy. - But that's the last time I saw you. And then a few weeks ago, maybe that was last week, I don't really recall, you did tax his podcast. - Who's like my podcast enemy? - I see that. - Yes, my podcast enemy. So why the fuck are you here on this podcast? Is that the part that I'm a bit confused about? You went over there with the enemy, and now here you are to discuss, I don't really know what you're here to discuss. You texted me two days ago and you said, "Hey, I want to come up to the podcast." And because you're my man, I said, "Well, sure." But I had every intention on asking you once you got here. - Tax sentiment here to case the place. I see what's going on. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel, I don't know, I feel about it, I feel funny, man. I feel funny, I don't know. Is he case, is he case my podcast? - That's why I got the sunglasses on, so we can't see his eyes. - And is a camera, wait, camera guy, where are you from? - Queens and Long Island. - Dinner land? - Dinner land? - That's my media team. - I know, I meant like your area, not your, what team you're from. Oh my goodness, what the fuck is going on? - Well, do you have anything to add here, or are we just being filmed for no reason? - Yeah, no, we're just being filmed for no reason. Everything is for no reason, we're just here, we're just here. I just came here to say, "What's up, that's all." - Okay, well, what's up? - Well, hello. - Well, hello, what's up, what's up, what's up? - What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up? - It's good to see you. - All right, that's it. - It's a shame, because we don't have guests very often here. - We don't know how to act. - Yeah, we paranoid now when people just wanna pop up, and you pick a very peculiar time to want to be here. - It's a little interesting. - Your timing is impeccable, I will say. - Hey, Corey, did you pat him down before he came in here? - Yeah, I don't know if Amika sent you here. - Wow, pretty hot in these streets right now. - Yeah, I don't know what's going on, man. I'll just assume that everything is cool, man. Everything is copisthetic here. Now, what was I talking about before this guy, - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? - The fucking boys, then what the hell was that? So I don't really know where I stand on this whole Miguel Frank Ocean thing, why can't people like two people? - You can. - That's impossible now. - He says that it's comparing apples to oranges, basically, so trying to say you don't have to compare. - No, you can compare them. - It's definitely not-- - It's saying what Miguel said. - Yeah, I'm sorry. - Well, that was the clean up job. - Yeah, that was-- - That was-- - That was so cool, I read it this morning. - I think Miguel experienced, to a lesser extent, what happened to me last week, where you saved some shit and then you don't really expect it to be blown out of proportion the way that it has been. But yeah, you can compare those two, but why are we comparing? Why does everything need to be fucking compared? Why can't I like Frank Ocean? Why can't I like Miguel and leave it the fuck alone? - It's a competitive culture, so naturally debates will spark and people will choose sides as human emotional beings. And it'll just naturally happen. - Yeah, but I mean, it's all opinion. - Well, obviously-- - It's all opinion. It's all relative to your own personal preference. I don't think that those two are so far-- - I wouldn't say they were that far. - Yeah, I don't think they're-- - That's shit. - If you could compare two R&B artists, it would be them two. - I don't think it's apples and oranges. (laughing) It's more like fucking-- - Oranges and tangerines? - Yeah, it's more like oranges and tangerines. But I hold a special place in my heart for kaleidoscope dreams. - Because? - Because? - Just because. - Okay. - Well, I listen to Miguel more than I listen to Frank, but I'm not going to say that Frank is not as good as Miguel. - I have a special place in my heart for Channel Orange. - No. The style to Ultra. - Well now, does Miguel write all his music? I don't know. - I'm not sure. From my understanding, he does. - Amani says that he does or most of it. Most of it, he does. He never really checked the credits to confirm that. But you know, I like just reporting bullshit anyway. So-- - So, Miguel writes his songs. - But it's safe to assume Frank is a better writer than Miguel. - Yes, because he's also written for other people and created hits for other people. - Who's it going to be? - Yeah, right? - Yeah. - So it's, I mean, as a writing, as a whole, he can write pop records for other people. He can write the alternative stuff for himself. That's a very wide area to be in. - So, we know for a fact, Miguel doesn't do writing for others. - Where are you at? - Oh, no, maybe I'm wrong. - I don't know that. I don't know that for a fact. And I think we should stop fucking discussing shit that we don't have before. - Because we have literally, we're just fucking guessing. - It's the point of this podcast. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's stop doing it. I don't know who Miguel writes for or doesn't write for. - Me. - But, so if we have to rank, since we're on music, if we have to rank Frank Ocean, Neo and the dream as songwriters. - Mm-hmm. What about Ty Dolla's song? - He does write songs. - Yeah. - Sorry. - I'm gonna unplug him. - He writes songs. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, for real. Like, you have to stop doing it. You have to stop fucking, you have to stop doing it. - That is a valid thing. But he hasn't written as many songs as the guys that you named. So I guess he can't really be included in this bracket. - No, Ty Dolla's sign. If he did write the same amount of songs, he shouldn't be included in this bracket. - That's not very fair because that would be, you can comparing them as... - Morissa, I'm just telling you now, because I do love you. The dream Neo. Ty Dolla's sign is not in that sentence at all. - He's not. - That you fuck up this. - That's what he's talking about. - I don't understand. - Is that apples and oranges? - Fuck you. - No, no, it's not. No, it's not. That's like apples and paint. That's like... - I was going to say window cleaner. - Yes, orange is in Windex. - Headline Joe Button calls Ty Dolla's sign paint. - Yeah, yeah. That would be the fucking headline. - Anyway, let's get back to the point. - You're the person that fucking took us off the point. - I know. - The list of the point here. - Dream Neo Frank. - I would say... - Without me looking at everything. - Dream. - Neo Frank. Why? - Off the top of my head. - Just playing devil's advocate. - I said this without me looking. Off the top of my head, I would say the dream Neo Frank. - Well, I know, but that means you have to have some type of information stored in the top of your head to make you say that. - I'm thinking of dream records that have been written. Single ladies being one of the greatest pop records of recent time. - Umbrella. Umbrella. - All right, I don't want to piss the beehive off here. - Yeah. - But single ladies is immaculately written. - What? - Mmm... - He should be. - He has some big records. - He should be. Sean Garrett should be added to this. Thank you, Amoni. Bob, but I won't add him because no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm aware of what Rico Love has written, by the way, but I'm more so talking about artists who have multiple bodies of work who also right double as writers. So Rico Love has one album. He has two albums. All right, so I'm not familiar with both Rico Love albums. I'm only familiar with one. And Sean Garrett, I'm not, I don't think many people see him as an artist, even though he's dabbled in that feel for quite some time. That's Phil Love's song was machine. No, Sean Garrett's pen is amazing. And if you were to include Sean Garrett, I don't know. I don't know where I would. I'm not that familiar with his, I mean, like off the top I'd have to look up. Well, if you pull up his discography. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I know it's extensive. I just don't know off the top. But I don't, but I don't want to get more of your scapegoating. Tell me more, have you looked some things up or are we still going off the top of your head? No, I just opened up his writing credits. Pop records. It looks like the dream would win this, but writing, if you're talking about the depth of writing something, you could probably make a better case for Neil. But I still think making hit records. I hate when people just take out like making a hit record is some easy fucking thing to do. Making single ladies was not an easy thing to do. It's one of the biggest records of the past 20 years. You speak with such conviction. Why, why, why do you also co-rate? Wait, why did you write your lyrics? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I know Kanye when he went up to that fucking stage. Clearly, but why do you speak with such conviction about? Yeah, you don't tell him here. The fucking ACA don't change colors entirely right in front of my fucking face here. Go ahead on your single ladies rant. I'm done. That was it. I stopped and you were, and you replied. How do you know how easy or difficult it was to write single ladies? I mean, he's just saying that I'm saying a hit record record. Is it easy to write hit records? Because if it wasn't everyone. For me? No, it's not, it's not very easy at all. It's actually very fucking difficult. No, but I, I said that to say, see, and that's where, and that's where, you know, fans not being very knowledgeable. I get that I'm a weirdo in my perspective is a unique one. However, when you have every resource in the universe, right, clearly beyond say, clearly are the dream in Frank Ocean, our favorites of Beyonce is as far as writing goes, they've written multiple records for her. So when you take the biggest fucking mega star that we have in music, right, and you pair her with someone who is amazing at writing records and you have any instrument or producer or sound or a ranger or anything at your disposal. I don't, that's never been an experience for me because I've never sniffed a quarter of that success. So for me, it's very difficult because I only have my brain to rely on. That's, I wouldn't think that that is the case with the dream was the dream just birthed into a studio with every resource ever. Or did he is this a rhetorical question? Yes, it's a rhetorical question. So he obviously was writing records for a very long time and got to that point because he was such an amazing writer. Nobody just blessed him and said here, have every producer in the world and the biggest pop artist ever. No, I didn't, my bad, he money Michael Jackson's, but have one of the biggest pop artists ever. You don't just get that. So I'm not quite sure what your point is there word. All right. You, all right, you're changing the context of our conversation. Yeah. You're talking about the path taken to get to being able to write single ladies. I'm only talking about sitting down. So there's a lot of brand music from, I'm talking about going to single ladies. I'm talking about dream and Beyonce going in a studio and attempting to come up with single ladies. I'm not talking about all of their 60 years on earth put together and how it culminated to this great amazing record. That's not what I'm talking about. They both have their respective paths. All that's great. But I'm just saying, I can't speak to how easy or difficult it is for someone to write this record with everything at your disposal. I don't know. You can't chastise me for not knowing. I don't know. But if I'm just listening to the writing of the record, I mean, I'm a fan of, of intricacy. I think there's, I can't pronounce that word. I think that's in single ladies. You think there's intricacy in single ladies? To create a melody that is going to cover the entire world singing it. Yes. Let's be clear. All right. Well, he's probably going to finish me here because he's an R&B word. Well, obviously giving it to Beyonce is a legend. That kind of spoke to the point that I was attempting to make earlier when you say it. When I say you take the biggest megastar in the universe and you put him in the studio with someone who's great at writing, I would think that a hit is coming out. And I say it actually is tangible. It happened. So you're taking, you're taking everything that it took to create it and saying you're not going to give him the credit for making it. Wait, that's not, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said I'm not giving him credit for making it. I never said that. You're seeming to take away from the credit of the record because of some unzantable things you don't know about happening. You got to keep up with the conversation that you are dictating, by the way. My response, my response was to a question, the bait with Joe is getting in the fucking way. Wait, wait, wait. Well, I can't talk and you can't talk. I know. So I'm going to wait for you to finish. You asked me if I thought it was difficult to make a hit. I responded with my answer. My answer isn't taking away anything from the dream. I'm answering your question to the best of my ability. That's it. I didn't say you didn't do that. Well, you're saying I'm attempting to take away from the dream and his writing ability because he went into studio would be on saying came up with it. No, I was just answering the question that you asked me. No, that's actually exactly what you just said. What is what I just said? You are you're taking the record for one. You're taking the record and you're everything that led up to it. You're now taking as it's a discredit from what the body of work actually is the result of that record. Well, I'm able to compartmentalize. But the result is still the same. No matter what compartment that is in the result is still the exact same. Well, the starting point is not. So while we're talking about the ending result here, the record is out. No, I'm talking about the starting point. And for me, the starting point is two people going in a studio and attempting to make a hit record. You keep talking about when they were born. No, I don't. All right. That's not true. You know, that's not true. You've mentioned multiple times the role that led both of them to getting in that studio to create that record. You mentioned that multiple times, not me. As a point to say, he didn't just end up in the studio with this person. He has a huge body of work of great writing that got him to make this hit record. But our conversation is about single ladies. So I am creating a hit record was the original conversation. It got switched to single ladies. Well, no, you brought up single ladies. So for me, that was the start point. We are talking, we are now talking about single ladies. And then my question was, is it easy to make a hit record? Did I say, is it easy to make single ladies? No, I said, is it easy to make a hit record? You then went to single ladies. But no, no, no, that's not true. That's not true. You're wrong. I'm not wrong. We don't rewind that. Well, well, we can in the listeners can. However, you didn't start with, you started with, you pulled some shit up and you started with, well, the dream wrote single ladies, ABC, so forth and so on. You followed that with, is it easy to write a hit record? And that reverse. So answer my question as the question, not what I was when I brought up single ladies before. I answered the question. I said, for me, yeah, it's difficult. I don't know that it's difficult for him with all the resources at his disposal. That was my answer. Okay, we'll agree to disagree here. What is there to disagree about? Can you say how easy or difficult it is for him to come up with that record? If everyone could write a hit record, it wouldn't be a hit record. That's not true. That's not true. That's bad. That's bad logic. Again, like I just finished saying, everyone doesn't have the same resources. And everyone is. I think I think if you put anyone in that studio with Beyonce, they're not going to come out with single ladies. I don't know that. Fam, that's awful logic. If I go in the studio with Beyonce, I'm coming out with single ladies. Oh, now you're being now. You're being now. No, no, no, no, no, no, you're being facetious. I'm talking about people in the music world, writers. I'm talking about writers putting any writer in the studio, Beyonce, and you're getting the same results. You are much smarter than that. Are they coming out with single ladies to a tee? No, Rory, don't be fucking silly. However, if you put Neil in the studio with Beyonce, because these are the people that we are discussing, well, yeah, now we're. Do you think a hit is coming out? I absolutely think a hit is coming out. If you put Sean, if you put Sean Garrett in the studio with Beyonce, do you think a hit is coming out? Yeah. If you put Frank Ocean in the studio with Beyonce, do you think there's the potential for a potential? Yes, of course, there's a potential. All these people have made hit records. So then I don't understand your that's why I don't understand your point. If you put Marissa in the studio with Beyonce, no, I don't think a hit will come out. We will definitely make a hit. Mottie Monroe was. All right. All right. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. So so that that's what I'm saying. Like I don't see how you you are having a beef with me saying I don't know. Like I don't know. I can't I can't say. Okay. I know Dream is a great writer. I know she's the biggest fucking star in the universe. Okay. Anyway. And if you put me if you put me in the studio with Beyonce and give me every resource available to mankind, I think I do pretty good. If you put me in my studio with fucking just me and fucking parks, it's a little different. Here we are today. It's a little different. So I mean that that's my point there. So still with that being said, now let's get back to our original conversation on ranking these writers. No, he didn't. No, I didn't say Beyonce. He would say that. I'm not I'm not trying to shit on parks. I'm just I'm just saying we don't we don't have the all the reason. And parks are not Beyonce in the dream. That's what we know. All right. Listen. Oh, oh, even though we're not Beyonce in the dream, you don't have to chime in with your fucking fuck. It's fine. Let's get let's get to the point of ranking these because we're at like an hour and 15 minutes. Are we? Well, the people want to speak. We didn't spoke about shit or whatever. Do we have any emails? Can we get to the ranking, please? So you go dream. And I mean, you can rewind it without me looking at anything off the top of my head. But then you looked at something. I haven't looked at Neil. And I haven't looked at Frank. Oh, so you only looked at dream. Yeah, because we're talking about okay. So without you looking at at everyone's discard, you go dream, Neil, Frank. What do you put Drake in that? What do I put Drake? Does Drake break for others? Drake wrote. I'm ready. Yeah, I'm literally asking my drink. Drake wrote the Jamie Foxx record for your type. Drake wrote a bunch of records. I put Drake, I. Well, when do you put him in that mix? It's it's a bit. That's probably apples and oranges. It's a bit apples and oranges in there. Probably apples and oranges. All right. So you go dream, Neil, Frank. Yes. Marty, you go tie dollar sign. No one else. That's my list. Oh, man. Gotta do Neil. Gotta go Neil, man. Okay. I got it. Yeah, I would have to. I would have to go Neil. You know, it would be my question here. And I don't want to get in another debate with you. I'd have to ask up a long Jevity. Not to say Neil has very longevity. But as of recently, I'm asking a question. I'm not telling. What was the most recent thing that that Neil has done that was a hit written for somebody else? Oh, well, you're asking me to answer that off the top of my head. I wouldn't. I wouldn't sure. Up. I would assume that's without me checking. What's up? People recognize that tonight. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good work. Yeah. That's a great work. So I mean, that's that's without me checking anything. So why do you ask? Are you about to try and discredit my fucking list here? No, I was just asking. I got I go, Neil. I was going to ask the same question of the dream, but I'm sure you don't know if it's up yet. I'll go dream before Frank, just because it's more extensive. And then I'll go Frank. But I do think that Frank has the ability to to change the order of that list. That would have been my list too, if Tidal assigned in super seat, everyone. All right. Wonderful. Do we have email? Yeah, we get some emails. All right. We're going to get some fucking emails. And this is wonderful. This is when I get to give wonderful advice to people, even though if you let the barbs tell it, I shouldn't be giving anyone advice about and especially relationships. Yeah, especially. And I bring in like your last hit record into the whole point of it. I'm like, what the fuck did I have to do with anything that is really frustrating to people do? Well, well, yeah, you have to kind of understand how the way of the world works. Once you say anything about anyone, you are now on the stand and anything that you have ever fucking down. Oh, you bet. Every action you've ever had. It may not be relevant at all. But oh, yeah, it's it's coming. It's coming. You're on the stand and you're going to sit there for a little bit. I just be disappointed because at this point, like, I've heard every single pump it up joke that there possibly is to be made. I just would like a little bit of creativity from people as they attempt to fucking drag me. Yeah. But that's all. That's my own personal shit. That's me intellectualizing shit again. But all right, we got them. Yeah. All right. I'm emailing because I've recently met a young curfacious. That's what what is that? Cervacious. Cervacious. Latino. To V, not a F. He could have put a V. I mean, I F you wouldn't know. Who also happens to be a virgin before I go off in the event that he put a F, it would still be a V. It should be a V. Okay, just just say that. He's he's old, man. Are we Harry? Before you go off, she's of legal age, just an experience because of overbearing parents and willing to let God the God he's talking about himself. Show her what's up. This is great because there's very little Latino population where I live. It could be my only shot to take one down. Now, the issue at hand is she happens to be my best friend's little sister. She was very aggressive at pursuing me. You know how it goes. I'm wondering since you have Latino spirit. Do it. How many punches in the face am I going to get? Any advice going forward would be stellar. Thank you in advance. Also, Marissa is mad regular. Pass it on. Marissa is mad regular. First of all, let's be perfectly clear on that. I said that in the email. Yeah. That's incredible. Like what's what's even what's even more angry than mad? Like you like fucking rageful regular. Oh, but now I'm regular. But then a few weeks ago with the while I think oh, your media, you can't say certain shit. Which one is it? Pick a side and stick with it. Depends on what data depends on what side of the argument I needed to be on. Oh, clearly. I wouldn't do it. Yeah, I'm not even going to get deep into that one. I wouldn't do it. It's not worth it, man. Not worth it. That's pretty simple. Yeah. That's to the point. And she lives. She obviously lives with her brother, I assume, because they have overbearing parents and he's going to find out and he's going to be upset. Yeah, stupid idea. Just keep it moving. Next. All right. Need some scumbag advice. Why'd you come here? Yeah, I don't know because I'm so now to scumbag. What's up, guys? Okay, I'll get to the point. It's this bad chick. I've been trying to nail since elementary school. I got back in communication. Fuck. Like, what the fuck? My nigga. Rapid. Stop it. Give it up, man. Since elementary school. Hey, you had Almond here. Not to say that you were trying to. Yeah, I'm not trying to fuck her. I don't think I ever tried to fuck her. I didn't know how to fuck her when I liked her. All right. I got back in consistent communication with her, but she's been very reluctant in talking to me. That's a contradiction because I have a girlfriend. So I lied and told her that it's complicated and that me and my girl are going through a rough batch. Also, not sure if we were going to be raised following his finger as I have bad eyes and I'm far away from the computer because I have to be in the mic. Oh, you're that guy to read with his finger? I have to. No, I can't. I really can't see it. I can't see it. It's my eyes. It's my eyes. It's not my reading ability. Your eyes are part of your reading ability. Do you wear glasses? No. Do you wear contacts? No. Oh, so you're just blind. Pretty much. Well, how do you do anything if you're blind? I'm not that blind. If you're in your finger to read the fucking-- It's small. It's on the screen and I'm trying to-- Can I say how small it is? I just made it way bigger. So it'll be easier now. I just did that. Rosenburg wants you to know he's on with this. Oh, my goodness gracious. Even using my finger now, I lost my place because-- All right, go back to putting your finger on the sentence. That changes the whole way. I see your fucking dress up swag. [laughter] Rory, be wearing all these fancy fucking button-ups and khakis and fancy white people boots. It's got-- Can't even fucking read with his finger. All right, I'm shutting up, man. Go ahead and put your-- At least it's not two fingers. Anyways, so it's been ever since, but now it's getting weird because she's starting to send me good morning texts and now it's clear that she really likes me. Granted, she's cool as fuck, but I'm not leaving my girl for her. So now I'm thinking if I do nail this, will it only get worse? I don't want to hurt her by fucking her and then bouncing at the same time, I do want my nut. So Rory and Joe, what would you do when you stand in the pocket? Where I can make sense out of suicide. There are some crazy people in this universe. So just for clarity here, you've been trying to fuck a girl since elementary school. You've been trying to fuck a girl since elementary school, right? She finally gives you some rhythm and now you're on defense. What the fuck is going on in the world? I don't condone cheating on your girl. If you have a girlfriend, be faithful to your girlfriend and that's that. Now you know that the girl would fuck after 17 years of courting. That should be enough. There you go. That should be good. Any event that you and your girlfriend have some untimely breakup, then go back and stole your fucking royal oats from 20 years ago. That guy's pretty patient. I'll tell you that. He's consistent with his plan. All right, come on, why don't you use your finger, man? Why don't you end it there? Oh, that's it? We usually do three. Oh, Rory doesn't want to use his fucking white fingers anymore. Oh, this is great. Well, it's their one that has like, won't be to read it, bro. I want. I want to get you like a tutor or some shit. All right. All right. No, keep them coming. Come on. We're going to say in the listeners, if you got to keep going, I have thick skin. Come on. Come on. This gracious. Now, you know what? I mean, you are getting pretty. Give me five push-ups, man. No, fuck you. I got push-ups on demand at expiration date. Push-ups on demand don't have an expiration date, bro. We didn't clarify. Remember, we used to do tweets on demand. Wait a minute. Rory is ignoring my push-ups on demand that he owes me. For the listeners, I have about 38 push-ups on demand from a bet that Rory and I have made. What was the bet? Well, who cares what the bet was? That's how long it's been. Matters, none. I still have my push-ups on demand, and I want five of them from you so I can finish making jokes without you interrupting. All right, then you read this one. I will read it. I tried to make it as small as possible. No, that's how it always is. Well, whatever. I'm still going to be able to fucking read it, you fucking dick, from the 10th grade dropout. All right. Hey, everybody. Hope everything is great. My question is regarding the long-awaited Slaughterhouse album. Oh, come on, but this fucking fuck shit. Go do them fucking five push-ups and get fucking hooked on fun that you dick. I'm a big fan of the group and all four of your individual careers. So, your semi-new music have starved me off for now. I'm still wondering what's been the set back. Oh, come on. I'm not fucking getting into this shit. Yeah, and let me get two more, please. Give me two more push-ups fucking scholar boy. Scholar boy. This fucking guy. Don't make bets that you fucking are not prepared to fucking yeah, he did a quick five. Yeah, do the fucking two push-ups. How about this guy said, I think it's over for a little Wayne. FWA started off so well, but it was below average overall for me. Side note, Marissa needs to take a trip to the UK. I'll come to the UK soon, but FWA was fucking dope. I got so much Carter three. No Wayne is too big of a superstar for it to be over with. Yeah. Did you hear FWA? That shit was fucking good. I listened to that shit two times on the plane. So, since we are fucking going over time here, anything else? I would do it might be over for. Oh, you guys have anybody that it might be over for? It might be better if we sit this one out. Yeah. I don't think people are going to really understand this. You know, you new new listeners. They just won't get it. Yeah. I think we'll take it to you, Bill. I will concede and back down to the barbs. You fucking barbs. Hey, girls. Got the fuck up, Marissa. And guys, you're a barb. I am. That's why I'm saying hi to my fellow barbs. Anyways, um, nation of pink slum. What up? So, it's been great episode 21 now in the can. Hopefully now a unique school. I'm gonna leave here and go fucking find a tutor for Rory on Craigslist so we can read these fucking emails a bit more fluently next week. And that'll be it. Anybody else want anything to say? We can get rid of business fucking camera guy. Biz came in with a camera guy to do absolutely nothing. Just sit here and fucking look cool. I said that over you had a lot to say on taxes shit, though. Yeah, a little bit to say on taxes shit. Yeah, you did fuck tax. All right, we out here. Peace. I'll let you next week. What?