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And they really dive deep into whatever it is that fans want to know about and they want to hear about. And so today we're talking defensive tackles, because that seems to be the buzzword, especially not just in recruiting, but in the portal, and we've talked about it a lot already. I know Paul and I had about how the supply is not going to meet the demand in the spring portal window and how everybody's cramming, not just to retain what they have, but also to add to the box, to try to get some depth and size on the interior. And so Ian Boyd's going to do some of that X's and O stuff that we love so much. Paul's going to bring what Paul brings, which is everything. And I'm going to sit back and enjoy the show. Ian, what is PK in the D tackles, what are we doing in 2024, lay it out for us? I kind of want to note today that war is much talk of PK being sort of inflexible or struggling to adapt. He actually has a lot of different tools in his toolbox for how to deploy fronts on the back end. Obviously, he seems to have things that he likes and at times seems to be kind of beholden to what the other coaches bring to the table, but up front Texas has actually done quite a few different things. Joe, if we can get that really basic outline of gaps and yes, all right, so it's going to do a quick primer for everybody. You got on the top the numbers refer to the techniques and the letters on the bottom refer to the gaps. So whenever you're talking about the spaces between the guards in the center, those are the A gaps between the guards in the tackles or the B gaps. And then outside of the tight ends of the C gaps, if you have a tight end, then you have a D gap as well. The tech the techniques and the numbers tell you where guys line up. So when a guy's in a five technique, he's on the outside shoulder of an offensive tackle. If he's in a four I technique, he's on the inside eye of the tackle. I don't know why the eye is stipulated, but whatever you'll also I actually do know why you're in. Okay, well, because if you actually line up all the way out on the furthest shoulder, you're actually starting to get in almost a three technique of the guard line purely in the gap. And what they want you to do is be on that tackle, but slightly off center and you know the reason is the four eyes, you're trying to jam up all those interior run lanes, but you don't want to declare so much that this tackle can just take a step out, turn his body and screen you off because you're almost a glorified three technique, you know, in the gap. So that is why they specify that because you're going to get a piece of that tackle. If he tries to fire out straight or if he tries to fire out and get the linebacker behind you, you're going to get a piece of him and prevent that. So that's why they do it. That's why they say to line up on the eye and not the shoulder. Great. That's what we got for guys. That's not my contribution. It's to learn, it's to teach. That's what I love it. Ian, keep on. All right. So here's a handy tip. If a guy is in a four, two or zero where they're directly across from the offensive lineman, there's a good chance they're playing a traditional two-gapping technique. So like if you have a guy that's a straight up zero, some, I mean, a lot of teams play that and then he just slants. But when you have like a huge monster there, he's defending either a gap every play. If you have like a smaller, faster guy, like Poona Ford, maybe it's just one and he's slanting or he's, or he's lagging or whatever. If they're in an eye technique, they might to gap, but it's going to be a different technique. It's not going to be a try to drive the offensive lineman back and play both gaps. It's going to be something more like get push on the lineman so that the gap over is narrowed, but you're still in one. And then the numbers where the guy is like in a shade, like a one, a three, a five, seven, nine, he's generally just, you have the gap that you're aligned in. You'll also note that it goes zero, one, two, three, four, five, seven, six, nine. And unless Paul has something else for us, no one knows why that's the case. It's just a. It sounds, it sounds like the, the, the baseline to Jenny eight, six, seven, five, three, oh, nine. Oh, seven, six, nine, uh, yeah, so if actually, if there are two tight ends, the gaps would also be numbered comparably. Is that what? What's the confusion about that? Sorry. What? What, what am I missing? Zero, one, two, three, four, five, seven, six, nine. Oh, oh, okay. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a wire six afraid of seven kind of thing is just a, yeah, seven, eight, seven, eight, nine. Exactly. My 10 year old son thinks that's an amazing joke. Hey, one thing. Are we going to talk about? So those are the alignments. Right. Are we going to talk a little bit about the disposition of the player in that alignment? In other words, if you're one gapping, what is it you're more likely being asked to do versus a two gap and then we can even get into the one and a half stuff if we want to get crazy? So let, so the traditional, the traditional alignments are the guy that you play in like a zero or one or two, I or two is your nose. And he's like a big two gapper, maybe at the very least, he's a guy that's expected to get double teamed a lot and to hold his ground and then a three or a four I or a five is a guy that's big and strong enough to play, you know, occasional double teams or stand his ground inside against alignment, but he's much more of a get up the field, rush the passer in one on ones and get in the backfield kind of player. That is the traditional understanding. That's what I'm looking for. And this is a broad generalization. You can do different things with defenses, those hybridized forms, all sorts of stuff. But what Ian is saying, if you're actually lined up on a shade of a player, a one, a three, a five, you're actually one gapping most of the time and you're being asked to get up the field and penetrate, okay, you're attacking a gap. When you're lined head up on a guy, you're attacking the man. You are driving that human being into the backfield, but by the way, if that guy gives a lot of ground and kind of invites you into the backfield, warning, danger, danger, you need to put on the brakes and find the ball because they're trying to do something for you. At the same time, you don't want to be so mechanistic about the call that you're not a football player anymore. If you're told to penetrate up the field like a wild bandit and sprint that gap, but the ball's going away from you, don't keep running up field like a dummy, get flat and pursue the ball and chase the ball. So the thing about this is these are basically you're declaring intentions. You're telling the player what I want you to do. And if you don't do this, you're going to betray what the other guys are doing in this front and in the defense and on the second level. But by the same time, be a football player. Like, if you're supposed to sprint through a gap and they immediately are double teaming you, hey, they're running at you. Something's coming. Now, but if you can split their double team, hey, you might get a TFL and it's second 14. So anyway, that's just what I was going for, Ian, that the interesting thing about this is your alignment will generally tell both the offensive player and you, of course, what it is you're going to do on that play, at least initially. And like a gentleman who's too gapping, you're not allowed to just sprint up the field unless we do it through the man across from you. In which case, if you can do that, let's go, baby. We got, we got to Andre Sweatt and Byron Murphy in there. But most mortals cannot sprint through a 320 pound guard and take him with them and then drive him in the backfield. So anyway, I just wanted to make that point. I hope that was helpful in discerning some of the finer points of this. It is, except insofar as PK is going to break some of those a little bit. Yes, because he hybridizes some of this. So let's talk about the trigger and the basics before we get to the next level. Joe, Joe, I'll bring that up one more time. All right. The two most common techniques that PK uses for his defensive tackles are a 3 and a 2i. So a 3 on one side and a 2i on the other. He does other things too. But those are the most common fronts that he uses, especially in the 2, 4, 5 nickel that they spend 70% of their time in, right? Okay. Let's get the next one. It could be either of the two I sent you, Joe. All right. In this next diagram, we got, okay, when they had big old Devondre sweat on the, on the field, he would play usually a 3 technique, but he would play gap and a half. I drew it as like a 2 gap because it's really hard to draw gap and a half on a diagram. You did well. Gap and a half means he's a 3 technique. The first thing he's going to do is engage the guard and make sure that he's in the B gap where he's aligned across from, but he does not trying to get up field. He's looking to occupy that space that if the running back tries to run downhill through the B gap, he's going to see Devondre sweat and he's going to say, no, somewhere else. After the running back makes a cut, sweat is then unless the ball goes outside, he's then going to try to work back over into the A gap. So he stays engaged with his blocker and he tries to get over a gap after he's already taken away the B. When it was Byron Murphy or Moro Jomo, or, you know, we'll see what they do this year. Alfred Collins, Drey Bledso, someone like that, Vernon Broughton played this get technique sometimes. They'd play in a 2 I, but they would play just a gap and they would be a little more free to just get up field. All right. Next one, Joe. All right. Yeah. When they had big Keanjay Coburn, they did not use him as a three technique. I think the reason for that is that on a passing play, Devondre sweat in a three technique is a good thing because he had really good hands. He could beat a guard one on one. He'd get after the passer, Keanjay Coburn, a little less so, but he was big and strong enough to 2 gap. So when he would play in a 2 I, they would let him 2 gap and he would play the same thing. He'd fill the A gap, take away the downhill angle, but then work over to the B gap after the back got going laterally. And then they'd have Broughton, Jomo, Collins, somebody else could be a little more free to attack in the B gap on the other side. So Ian, can I interject something here? Yeah. So when we say work over to the other gap, he is securing his initial gap that he's being told to secure. That's why it is not too gapping in a classical sense, but he still has responsibility for a gap across from him, across from the player. And there's two ways he can get over. He can physically work across that guy, cross his face, or he can literally grab the guy and drive him physically into the gap and hold him there while he keeps this arm free. His outside arm, you know, free-ish, right? And this arm is locked on the guy. And so if you guys will recall, there are many third and short or fourth and shorts, and I always used to laugh when people would run right up the middle on third and short or fourth and short on Texas last year, where Tovondre Swett or Murphy would secure one inside gap, physically grab the guard and manhandle him into the freaking gap. So the running back would run straight into the offensive lineman's butt and fall over or get cleaned up by Jalen Ford, who's unblocked. And then you'd see like the opposing fans or even the announcer sometimes being like, oh, that running back has to have better vision there. No, you know, that happened real fast. And what he saw was going to be a gap and where he was told to run, Tovondre Swett put the human being across from him in that gap and held him there and said, you stay here, good boy. And then if the back tried to bounce it, then Tovondre would swallow him up. So that's what differentiates it. But that's why I would argue that gap and a half as we teach it is closer to two gap than one gap because one gap, one and a half gapping in some defenses on the NFL level, you actually are encouraged to penetrate. But with the awareness that as you start to read the play flow, you either have to put on the brakes and still protect and, you know, drive a guy into another gap. Or basically what they're saying is, you know, the rule of football for a great player and Aaron Donald at LT is if you can do it, do it. Meaning if you see something and you can make a play, go do it. But you're not still freed from the fact that this is your responsibility. You have a primary responsibility to this gap and a secondary responsibility to making sure this gap is at least small or sealed. It can't be a big hole. You can't just olay somebody, right? So gap in a half implies you can't swim, move the guard and turn sideways and try to sprint up the field. No, no, no, but you could still penetrate by grabbing that outside shoulder of the guard and kind of jacking them up a little bit. So before we get to, we have a good question already lined up about, but before we move away from defensive tackles, one of the things I wanted to show here was that there is some flexibility in how PK plays their defensive tackles. So like a guy like Bill Norton was a two-gapper at Arizona, but he played as a nose generally. That's not a problem. That's probably a good fit for Texas because they could play Norton as a two-eye and let him two-gap and then use the guy as a three-technique that maybe you don't want two-gapping like a... Was Morgan as a zero heads up on the center? Usually. Yeah. Usually. Yeah. 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The buck plays on the short side of the field, as you can see here, when the ball is lined up on the hash, which it is 80% of the time in college football, then you have the wide space to the other hash, and then you have the short space from the hash you're on to the sideline. The buck plays in the tighter space and the jack plays to the wider space. Because of that, the jack is, one of his number one priorities is set a really good edge and do not let runs get out into wide open space. The buck, so the jack ends up being more of a runstopper than the buck. The buck is where pretty much everyone in college football puts their more hybrid edge guy, who's the weak side pass rusher. So he's the guy that's going to be more of your occasionally drops into coverage, blitzes the edge, stuns in from different angles, more of a true linebacker. So the jack does some of that too, but so PK likes to have both guys be like hybrid edges, but the jack is going to be more of a true defensive end, and the buck is going to be more of a linebacker type. Yeah, so if it helps you, if I have two edges and one weighs 265, and he's very physical, and the other guy is 240, and he's quick. Which one's the buck, and which one's probably going to be the jack? Right. The answer is that the bigger guy's going to be the jack. Yes, and the quicker guy is going to be your buck. So the way a lot of people say is that's the rush, that's the pass rush end, but they'll often say rush end, right? Which makes people think of rushing, and then people like, well, I thought that was the bigger guy. And so the guy who's going to go sack the quarterback and the PK defense, broadly speaking, is the buck. The guy who's going to set a great edge, and then go get after the quarterback is the jack. So Baron Surrell has been the jack. Right. And last year, Ethan Burke was the buck. Ethan Burke is a big guy, keeps getting bigger, as he fills into his frame and his quit lacrosse. So he might play jack in the future. And then you got Colin Simmons is your built-in-a-lab buck. Colton Vossack may do either. Right now, he's more of a buck. Trey Moore, 235, 240 pounds from UTSA, buck. Ian, would you say just a little bit more on this, because this is a great question. Would you say that Jack is the old school traditional strong side defensive end that's essentially just standing up now, backing up, because I envision Greg Ellis, the old North Carolina defensive end basketball player, first round pick of the Cowboys. He was like the quintessential strong side defensive end. Would that jack be that guy 10, 15 years ago? Not exactly, because he's a little more hybridized. Okay. It's almost more like, I mean, sometimes Michigan played some guys there at times. They were like 280 pounds. So in that case, like, yes, right. But you know, not exactly, because, I mean, they don't want to stay light and flexible enough to be able to play coverage like a linebacker from time to time, ideally. That's just a ton of that, but ideally, that's how it would work. Well, I'm trying to think of a, you're going to go ahead, Paul. Well, I was going to say, so in the old days, sometimes if you had really good defensive tackles and a lot of depth, and we did this last year with Alfred Collins, you go play him out on the edge some, right? But you're doing that in a very specific defense. There was a guy named Cedric Woodard, who was a very good defensive tackle for Texas, but he was only taken the 1999 draft of the Longhorns. He wasn't going to beat out Hampton and Rogers any time soon. So they put him on the edge, they put him at defensive end and running against Texas back then was a car wreck. But the new running style of a lot more outside zone, sometimes if you would just have that really big physical, strong, traditional, strong side defensive end, the classic guy, he can get out run to the corner. So sometimes you've got to have this longer, a little more quick, a little more athletic twitch. Yeah. He's still a big, strong dude. He's jacking guys up. It's like in his name, right? But he needs to have enough feet and technique and quickness that he could still get out there and not just let someone run around him. I can buy that. I like that. Hey, keep the questions coming. We sure do appreciate you joining us today on the deep ad during this live stream. This is when we get in, we nerd out when Ian Boyd starts nerding out a ears pop up, everyone's paying attention. What else do you got for us, Ian? Or do we want to just try to jump into a, that's shifting to the Tom Brady roast? 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If he has a high motor and he's very athletic and when he's one on one, he can he'll make flash plays now and again, he can make like tackles for loss, get after the quarterback. But if he's not going to stand up to a lot of double teams and he would have to be paired with somebody bigger, um, broughton, we just covered, we didn't get to see him in the spring game to see if he's gotten any better at playing double teams. Um, I think we're all a little suspicious that maybe he's not. Collins could like theoretically and occasionally do anything you'd want him to do, but he's inconsistent. He's much better when he gets to play one on one with a lineman. He's really been at his best when he gets to play three, four defensive end, um, which he'll probably get to do some this year. Ideally, he could play some two I, um, or two gap as a three technique. I don't know if either are really in the cards, Paul, please interject here. What do you think? So I'm going to offer two statements and you tell me if you want to contradict any of them or refine them. Alfred Collins used to be at his best as a one gap. Yeah, Alfred Collins is now, I think the only defensive tackle on the roster currently who might be able to do one or two gap and basically do anything that you assign him to, but we're going to have to see, we've got to see it in live fire. I saw a couple of things in the scrimmage that suggest he's gotten a little bit better anchoring at the point of attack or playing through a guy, not around the guy. Is that fair? Yeah. And so if y'all want to go look for the play where he got a pick six, the reason he got a pick six against Quinn Evers was that he was in a two I, he ran through DJ Campbell, which is not he's running through DJ Campbell is not something that happens very often. Push DJ Campbell so far in the backfield that it tied end who was coming across to block the end, ran into DJ Campbell was unable to block Ethan Burke, who then got his hands up and swatted Evers pass, which was then picked off by Collins is like shucks DJ Campbell looks up. Oh, football catches it interception. Um, so yeah, I think probably playing the Tavadre sweat roll is where Collins would fit best and it would look a little different because he's not 270 pounds. I don't think didn't look quite that big, although he's gotten pretty big, but he's not Tavadre big. And then if he could do that, that would allow them to play him with like a an Aaron Bryant or somebody else. So yeah, he's in a two I hear on the it's Ethan Burke on top and then Alfred Collins. DJ Campbell tries to block down on him and gets shocked. There's 95 in the backfield pushing and then yeah, Burke blocks it. Hey, that could be a tandem. We just we may not we don't talk about enough. Well, it could be a buying and a yang kind of deal, a little refined point on that. I want those two guys on the right on the play side when the quarterbacks dropping back to throw because a right handed quarterback is releasing there. Those guys have a length get in that lane Burke and Collins together Collins is every bit of six five plus long arms Burke is a freaking condor. I love that and that's a very underestimated aspect of football. If you're D line now, if you're D line can't penetrate your big long arms don't really matter. The quarterback can still get the angle on you or you can find a window, but if you get some penetrations and then get your arms up and don't jump, run forward, don't jump. You're tall enough to block that ball without jumping. The key is to get the depth, the penetration so that your long arms come into play. And I love the fact that they're pairing those guys side by side because when Quinn, yours are typically size college football quarterback, when he dropped back, all he saw was arms. And people in this scrimmage were like, oh, you were, that's a mistake. He's like, yours didn't do anything wrong. There was a sea of arms and the guys didn't get blocked and he tried to get rid of the ball. There was no window. So anyway, I love that PK is lining those two guys upside by side. I don't know if they're going to do that on purpose or not, but it should, at the very least it should happen, yeah, who else we got? So let's go Brian, Brian, Ian, I think Aaron Bryant, I don't know if he can two gap or not. I think maybe he could, but I do think he could do what Byron Murphy did, which is play one gap in the nose, be pretty disruptive, and not get washed out by double teams. What about Tia Civea? Tia Civea, not a two gapper, probably best as a three down defensive end, I think. I thought he was, what did you think of him in the spring? I thought he was solid, but he's just not very powerful, actually. So he's right there. He is not the stereotype of the Polynesian defensive tap. No, he's too slow. He's quick. He's active, but he's not so quick and twitchy that he can just sprint into the backfield. That doesn't happen either. What he's good at is lateral movement and moving around and fitting to different stunts and replacement fronts, where you show one thing and a guy slides over and ends up somewhere else. And what it does is it paralyzes, particularly college offensive lines, who are like on the whiteboard, that guy is supposed to be there. And now he's here and me know what I don't know what to do. And now if you play those games, play stupid games, you do win stupid prizes. If you do that too often and you get predictable with it, Alex Drench, you end up getting fired and you end up giving up 400 yards rushing on national television. So that is something that I think I think he fits what PK is trying to do traditionally with a two-gapper or a one-gapper easily. But I do think he's a body and I do think he tries and I do think that if we do some stunning and some replacement front stuff, I think he's useful. They did do some of that, although not very much when Sevea was on the field, ironically enough. And then side of your Mitchell to me is the one I think a lot. That's a good question from Jay, because the lights got to turn on for this guy. He has the most size, the most upside. And we just haven't seen it start to click yet. We didn't see it this spring, Ian, yeah, dive into Sevea Mitchell. What do you see in there? So he's Sweat 2.0. Sweat could play three or nose, but yeah. Sweat could play three or nose, Sweat though could rush the passer. The idea is Sweat against the run, for the most part, he is very hard to move, as you would think, for someone that is 6, 6, 3, 70. Just asking. Now Cameron Williams got the best of him on one goal line play. Cameron Williams is also huge, and he pancaked Mitchell on a goal line play. But that was most of the time you would see bodies crash into him, and then just nothing. Just a pile of bodies. So right now he would be best as a nose, because he doesn't move forward, he doesn't move backwards. He's just the blob. Just tilt right there. Eventually, ideally, he would actually cut weight and be able to rush the passer and be able to play more as a three right now. Not so much. So in that spring game, I think it's instructive. If you watch the deer's early snaps, he's a problem until he gets tired. The reason he got pancaked fatigue makes cowards of us all. Once you lose your wind, whether you're playing football or you're boxing or God help you, you're wrestling. It's like being in a nightmare when you're wrestling and you realize you tap your fatigue doubt and the guy across from you is still risky. It's not going to go well for you. And that's what's happening to Sidir. He, look, Sidir Mitchell is a future NFL player if he wants to be. I'll just say it. And he has special traits. If he gets in shape, and I mean playing shape, I don't mean he's going to be a swimsuit model shape. But if he gets in shape, he can change his life and the life of his family. If he doesn't, he's not playable because the minute I see him go on the field, guys, and I'm going to put some coordinators down some scouting, we're going, hurry up. He's not coming off the field. And Texas is going to have a big dude who's exhausted that's actually now getting inside zone run at him, much less getting run around because he can't even defend himself. He's too tired. And so here's the great promising thing about being 370. It doesn't take much to shed 20, 30 pounds. It's like a normal person shedding eight or 10. It's not a big deal. The bad thing about being 370 is you're so out of shape that first couple of weeks really sucks. And you have to have the mental strength to work through it and suffer seeing a goal on the other end. So that's my most of your pepcock analysis. You're sharing the table with like a bunch of linemen that are trying to eat as much as they can. So they're big enough to push you. And then for you, it's got to be like, actually, I got to work a calorie deficit. Yeah, he can't sit next to Jareb Ledso, like they're on different plans, different tracks. He needs to go eat with the DBS, who like, you know, like pick at a couple of things and like packet some nuts and salads like a bird, you know, because they want to keep their, their flow pack. AJ's got a good question here and it's really easy to answer. You know, what's the deal with rotating D line guys so much as if they get fat and winded serious question? Honestly, and you guys don't know this too, but they rotate them to keep them fresh and it's not necessarily that they're fat or they get winded, but they do get fatigued. When you see, you know, when you see sacks increase along the D line late October, November, early December, when the weather gets colder, that's why you see those guys on the field longer. That's one of the best things I think PK and those guys did in the defense the last two years. Devondrais wet and Byron Murphy rarely went over 30 snaps in a game. If you're right, if you've got depth to bring guys in and rotate, that makes you even stronger, especially in the fourth quarter, when Murphy and sweat are really needed to, you know, to shut it down, to close it down and they're only at 20, 25 snaps. So they're going to be able to give you a nice push on a couple more drives. I think that's the easy answer to that question. Do y'all want to add anything? Yeah, it's a great question. So remember that the closer you are to the football, the more football is a pure anaerobic sport. Meaning they do need to build a little bit of cardio, certainly, but they don't need to be running like two miles or anything like that. That's not helpful for the first quarter. They're short bursts strength power athletes. And the thing that tires them out is not just chasing the ball, which can be tiring. It's a 330 pound dude across from them that they're supposed to grab and physically man handle. That is draining to a human being. That is very hard and that's why it's, that's why the hardest sports in terms of just mental stress and toughness, like mental toughness and also physical wind and anaerobic capacity are things where you combine both cardio and a physical like you're moving another human being wrestling, boxing. As I said, if you get fatigued on those sports, it's a nightmare. You're literally helpless. The ball's not as exaggerated, but it's similar. So a distance runner, and I know the runners out there will be mad, but I've had crazy phases of my life where I ran. I don't know why. God help me. But it is true, but it's not, you will never experience a level of exhaustion, distance running the way you do doing like a really hard MMA fight. But three or four minutes of, yeah, you're right, I've seen a marathoner run a freak in two hour and six minute marathon and he walks over to the microphone and gives an interview and he says, I ran my race. You know what I mean? It's amazing. Those guys are extraordinary. You can't do that immediately after a really hard MMA round. It don't work. And so that's kind of why you got to rotate these guys. They are big, big boys. Now, if they weigh 250, they'd have a lot more capacity, but if they weigh 250, they're going to lose those car crashes at the line of scrimmage. So that's why players keep getting bigger. But when they're getting bigger, they're losing some of that anaerobic threshold. And you've got to get them rotated out so they stay fresh because a fresh, really talented defensive tackle is a nightmare. Yeah. A really good example of this is the planet earth and Yellowstone that they did. There's a scene where this wolf chases like a baby gazelle or something across a plane. And the wolf is smaller and built for distance running more and the gazelle is built for like a sprint to get away. There are no good girls in Yellowstone, Ian, but whatever it is, I don't know. It's a deer or something, whatever. They're built to sprint and then let the slow, weak one get eaten. Yep. But this one gets singled out by the wolf and it just runs and runs and I, my roommates were watching in a college. So I like tuned in and I was like, oh, I want to see how this ends. And it was the most sad and depressing ending I've ever seen because what happened was the deer exhausted itself and then it just stopped and laid down and let the wolf eat it alive. Yep. It's just, it's like a, but that's, there's no children watching our lunchtime deep dives today. I'm a little traumatizing, Ian, and you got four kids. So I can't imagine dinner times like with you guys, but that is a great example, Ian. That's why in Africa, the most successful hunters are wild dogs because they're pack animals, they cooperate, but also they can run freaking 35 miles per hour when they need to sprint and they can literally run 40 miles in a day at four and a half minute mile clips and they never stop. So you know, in a weird way, you'd rather have a lion chasing you. If you can get some, some distance on it, then a pack of wild dogs. So yeah, it's, it's crazy. Say, can we work in? Said here on the goal line is the exhausted baby deer. Yes. And he's no longer the hippo or whatever. He's now the baby here. Just eat me. I'm done. I can't do it anymore. Hey, can I give you all a quick, uh, animal strength story? Good way. Okay. Or anything? No, but I told you that one before punk in the orangutan. I was in Africa. I was in Zimbabwe. I went to the chip and golly wildlife orphanage and they take rescued animals that, you know, the parents were killed by poachers or were injured or whatever and they raise them and they sell tickets and bring in tourists to, you know, to help pay for their food and whatever. So I mean, I did crazy stuff there. I played with lion cubs for, I mean, semi adult lions for three hours. They had a leopard named razor who's a tame female leopard that just wandered around with her black lab best friend and you could pet her, uh, but they had a rhino who they'd adopted as a baby. It's full grown now. And he was very tame, very tractable. And the guy saw how much I liked animals. They said, let's do something. Grab the rhinos form, stand in front of it, grab its form. And I'm going to stand over here and rattle the feed set. And he's like, get a good base and grab the horn and whatever you do, hold on. And I was like, okay, is it going to run over me? He's like, no, no, he's gentle. So he rustles the feed sack over on its peripheral vision. And the rhino just turned its head to look like just like that. And I flew 25 feet and get it on my ass, my guy, and no, and everyone there burst out laughing. And I was like, you try it. You try to hold that rhino in place. That is what Sadeer Mitchell can be if he gets in a little better shape. He's that rhino that he just does the casual movement and a guard goes flying. So that's what we're hoping for for Sadeer. So hey, Sadeer, talk, uh, and also in an analysis there, but you got a chance to change your life in the next four months and be a key to this football team. I love that. I'm going to say Sadeer needs to be the rhino. That's going to be the 2024 calling for Sadeer Mitchell, the same thing as Paul. The same thing happened to me in high school. We played a tackle football on the mud with it with our youth group and our youth youth pastor was like a 240 pound fit, powerful dude. And I was like 115 or something, sophomore or something. And I tried to tackle him and I grabbed one of his arms and he turned like this. And I flew and hit wet grass and slid about 25 yards. And I was like the closest I've gotten to knowing what it would actually be like to be on the field with these people that we talk about and occasionally joke about on these shows. I love that our friends over at Irish Sports Daily are tuned in today and they're watching and they make a really good point. So basically we're talking about wolves. We're talking about we went animal planet, which I'm always for. Hey, so basically what are y'all saying Texas will be the wolf on November 30th? Do you guys know what happens on November 30th? A&M. A&M. A&M. Texas better be the wolf. They better come in ready to eat because that game Kyle field that it's going to be absolutely nuts man. I cannot wait for that game and we do appreciate the guys over at Irish Sports Daily checking in on us amazing people go over there and see those guys that they're top to bottom one of the best in the business. So give Christian McCollum and Matt Freeman and those guys a lot of love anything any parting shots before we take off from this lunch time deep dive. I hope when we go to college station it's wolves plural, not a wolf because the strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack. Hey, hey, if they're going to do a wolf pack style like to hang over. It's go. Hey, they go make up. They go make a wolf pack. Ian, Ian, thank you for your diagrams anything else you want to add forever see to per guy those are motto strength of the wolf is the pack and the strength of the park is the wolf to park number rules. Oh goodness gracious. This is always a blast. 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