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(upbeat music) - Welcome to the Tell It Abs It Is podcast. You're home for everything Colorado Avalanche. On the hockey podcast network, here's your hosts, Griffin Youngs, and Christian Boullet. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another edition of the Tell It Abs It Is podcast. I'm Griffin Youngs, joined by Christian Boullet. As always, we are maybe like a minute removed from the end of game two, the Avalanche lose five to three in game two. Two of the Dallas stars in this series is tied at one, as we head back to Colorado for games three and four. I did not expect this to come down to the wire, but somehow it did. The abs are down four to nothing going into the third period. It's been a no good, very bad game. Pretty much everything's working against you in this game. And they score three unanswered goals in the third period. And it's four to three. And me and you are sitting here on this call, ready to get started early 'cause the game looks out of reach. And we're like, should we start recording just in case something happens here? They actually pull this off. So in about an hour, you go from trying to spin this however you can to it's just one game, one one. You got the split to you just made Dallas shit their pants and it's still one one. Yeah, I mean, you put it perfectly. For the first 40 minutes of this game, the abs looked as bad as they, I mean, it's as bad as they looked in the playoffs. 'Cause even in that Winnipeg game where they lost, they looked great. It was just Giorgi had looked bad. This was by far the worst game they had played. Dallas was phenomenal tonight. Except for that third period, the first 40 minutes, I thought Dallas played a perfect game. They were doing anything and everything they wanted for the first 40 minutes. And like I said, we were ready to hop on here and start recording with like 10 minutes left in the third because we both have jobs and we were thinking, "Hey, maybe we can get out early tonight." But the abs score three unanswered in the third and we're mere inches away from a tie game. - Yeah, if that puck doesn't hit Brandt or Kristin of knee, I think like in that scores tie the game. - Yeah, they have a power play with 255 to go after they make it a one goal game. They get some looks with the net empty and it being six on four and just can't get the fourth one. Getting a four goal, third period for a four and I think come back just a little too much to ask. - A little too much to ask. I am honestly like kind of mad in the fact that they scored three unanswered and made this game close. But then again, you look at it. If you're Dallas, how can you feel going into game three? Like, yeah, you won, but this game should not have had to come down to a two minute empty net situation. You shouldn't have needed an empty net goal to win this game. Like you can't feel great. Like, yeah, you got the win. The win's important, but you can't feel comfortable with any lead in the series if you're the stars. - No, you can't feel comfortable at all at any point if you're Dallas, like I think they've learned now in four games in Dallas, you can't let this team off the mat. You can't give them an inch and I agree. Dallas did a really good job at shutting down what the abs do best. They had almost no transition game. They had a lot of trouble getting set up in the offensive zone. This was one of the worst games I've seen Nathan McKinnon play in a while and it's mainly because Dallas just keyed in on him right from puck drop. He had, I don't think he had anything really in this game. Like, really nothing to note is individual expected goals are a fat zero in this game down with Andrew Kogliano and he had two shot, he had one shot attempt, I think, overall in this game. - And that was probably with the empty net. - I'm sorry, I'm looking at the wrong one. McKinnon had three shots on goal in the game. I was looking at the wrong guy there. He still had zero expected goals according to natural stat trick, but you look at all that, everything that worked against you in this game. I did not like the officiating in this game. I also did not like the penalties that the abs took in this game. It was a mixture of both. I thought Jay Gottinger was fantastic. I thought the ice in this game was dog shit. I thought there was a lot of things that worked against the abs in this game. And now you look at the final score and you're like, "Huh." So that's the worst thing that we could at managing this game is a two goal loss with an empty netter. - Yeah, it's a very weird feeling because I had just like we had both accepted this loss going into the third period. Like it was going to be a loss, but-- - Four nothing. - Yeah, it's four nothing and the abs got. - Certain point. - Yeah, the abs got dominated through the first 40 minutes. And a lot of it was their own doing. They had four penalties that the refs have no choice, but to call. Like they have two delay of games, two too many men on the ice penalties, and one slash that, I mean, shouldn't have even counted. Like, we'll get into that. But four of the five power players you gifted Dallas were your own fault. Like you can't even blame the officials for that. Did I think the first too many, two men on the ice was a little questionable? I felt like changes like that happen a lot in a game. And the abs didn't even have possession of the puck. So that first one, I didn't really love. The second one, they couldn't find a good camera angle to show us that it was too many men on the ice, but the announces were adamant about it. So I'm just gonna, I'm gonna believe them. But you go into game three and you clean that up and don't give the stars four extra power plays, you're gonna have a pretty good chance of winning the game. - Yeah, again, a lot of self-inflicted mistakes in the game that end up in the back of your net. And I mean, Dallas played well, they executed on the opportunities that the abs gave them, like on the power play and they got bounces to go their way too in this game. It was a perfect formula for Dallas to win the game. It was probably the best that they could hope for in a game against the abs. They're up 4 to nothing going in a third period and they're not walking out of that game feeling very good about themselves. 'Cause again, they let the abs off the mat and it almost, it almost ended the series. The abs come back and win that game with a four goal third period comeback. The series is over. I don't care about what happens after that point. Dallas is not coming back. You don't come back from that two games in a row. - Well, and the thing is, is like we were talking about before we started recording. You think Dallas and their coaching staff would learn after four times of this on your home ice, do not go into a shell against the abs. That is a terrible, terrible idea. And all four times it's come back to bite them in the ass. Yeah, they won this one finally, but you were dominating when you were four checking your defensemen were active and you go into a shell for the third period. That's how the abs want you to play them. They want you to play super passive and super off their guys. That's how they want you to play against them and the abs dominate the third period because the stars win into a shell. - Yeah, just for some reason they don't seem to get it that you can't do that against this team. And you know, obviously you come to be a false short of the four goal comeback. The power play, you get a couple of looks, one of them too great, Dallas does a good job killing. They stack the front of the net, nothing gets through. But at the end of the day you did lose the game and it does go back to the first 40 minutes where Dallas kind of kicked crap out of him. And second period was really bad. - That's one of the worst periods of hockey the abs have played in probably a month. That was a brutal, brutal period to watch. And it hurts even more that that shorthand of goal by Sagan's the game winner, like that one hurts because it's such an avoidable goal to give up, such an avoidable goal. Like I get vows trying to keep the puck in the zone but at some points just cut your losses brother. Like I get you're trying to make a play but his turnover leads to what a three on one for Dallas and Harley misses the net. You get a crazy carum off the boards and there's nothing Georgiaf can do on this play. Like if the people, I'm glad to see no one is like blaming Georgia for this game because without Georgiaf after a second period this game could have been nine, 10 nothing. Like. - It was bad. Like there was a point in the first period where he made a ridiculous save that kept it at one nothing and like he gave the abs a chance. At a certain point like the goals that are being given up he's having a stretch all the way across and these incredible bounces going against them they're stacking screens in front of it. It was the opposite of game one against Winnipeg where the abs were fine, Georgia was terrible. The abs were terrible in front of him today. - Thank Georgiaf I thought was fine. They played better in front of him. They would have won the game. - 100%, 100% and credit to the stars because they were the more desperate team. They needed this win and they got this win. They got it. They shit themselves while doing it but they got the win. And if you're looking at this from an abs perspective as an abs fan, mission accomplished. You split the first two games. That's all you wanted to accomplish when you went down there. - You did what you had to do in this game and it was for nothing in second-term mission. I'm thinking about what I'm going to say on here and it's that you didn't lose more than one game tonight. You come out of it tied and momentum is not really a thing in the playoffs. Every game is it exists in a vacuum. Boston Bruins won game one against Florida 5-1, Panthers won the next game 6-1. Like you just go back and forth in the playoffs. So there's no time to dwell. There's no time to do any of that. You're going to have a rough film session when you get home. There's going to be a lot of the laser pointer. There's going to be a lot of what are you doing on this play. You're smarter than that. You know better than that. You lick your wounds. You go back out there Saturday night and you go take the lead in the series. You defend your home ice. I mean, 'cause still you defend your home ice in the series, you win. - Great. That's all you have to do is just continue to be the best home team that you've been all year long. And it's just going to be about how they respond. I think they're going to respond really well. I can't imagine the locker rooms too happy with this performance tonight. You waste a great game from Alexander Giorgiev. And it's going to be fun to watch this team Saturday night. I'm excited to see what they can do Saturday night. And you accomplish the mission. You accomplish mission, you got one in Dallas and you showed that you can beat this team even when you're down for nothing. You can't. You can beat this team or down for nothing. And like the thing, like if we go all the way back to the first period, I don't think if McKinnon tries to clear that puck a hundred times, he can do what he did to get that penalty like two times. Like that was just a crazy play. - Again, like you go back to a lot of things working against the abs in this game where McKinnon just had a bad night and the stars did a really good job locking them down. Just Kale couldn't do a lot from the point, just the amount of things that had to go wrong to reach this result where the refs are letting the stars get away with a lot. You're taking a lot of dumb penalties. Guys are falling over on the ice 'cause the American Airlines Center had a concert that or and the ice is garbage like they're skating on speed bumps and everyone's falling down and you just get nothing to go your way. Dallas is getting bounces off the board and getting three wax at a short handed goal. Your power play goes over. And you still walk out of this game, not super dejected 'cause you did fight back at the end and you almost did it. Like, yeah, you didn't pull it off, but you did the next best thing. Yeah, you didn't get it. - But Dallas is mine. - You put some doubt in their mind. You took what was a four nothing deficit and a game you would have to really try hard to spin and turn it into, holy shit, we actually almost did that. Why don't next time we not put ourselves in that situation and we might be just fine? - Yes, it's a very simple formula for the abs. Don't go down three, four and nothing in a game. And it makes it a lot easier to win a hockey game when you're not constantly down by multi goals. And the abs, this was, I can't, like I don't think we can put into words just how bad Nathan McKinnon and Michael Rancin looked tonight and you still lost by a goal. I know it's two, but it's an empty net goal. Like those two were so off of their game tonight. It was actually insane. Like I have never seen Nathan McKinnon play that bad playoff game. - They looked frustrated. Dallas did a good job. - Yep, like they did a good job getting in their face. - They did a really good job. And overall man, like it's, I think it's a little bit easier to process now because it was four nothing and I already accepted the loss an hour and a half ago. So I think that's why I think you and I both are a little bit more calm than it was. Like if we lost five to three and it was a close game the entire time, I think we'd have a little bit different tone. - Yeah. - But I don't know man. I feel good. I feel good about going in going home because you're the best home team and you can beat the stars team. You can. - And at the end of the day, you knew this was going to be a long series. - Yep. - I mean, this is going to be a tough frustrating series. I know I walked back my, we're going to split in Dallas and said the abs are going to win game two, but in my original series prediction, I'm two for two. That's win game one, stars win game two. And now you're going back to Colorado and it's one one. - One one. - You can't make the mistakes you made against Dallas in this game, the best team in the West and expect a positive result in the game. You can't take the amount of self-inflicted penalties. You can't be super soft with the puck in your own zone and you just can't make that level of mistakes against a team that is that good. Dallas is that good. When the abs are at their best, they can beat Dallas, but when they shoot themselves in the foot like this, you can't be too mad at the results. You can be mad at officiating, which is justified. I did not think the officiating was very even in this game. I thought that let Dallas get away with a lot. We'll talk about specific examples soon, but again, I thought the ice was terrible in this game, which helps Dallas a lot more than helps the abs. And he's still walk out of that, frustrated, annoyed, but you lick your wounds on the play and you go home and you got another game to play. - Got another game to play. And I don't know. It's always weird losing a playoff game, but also the abs have lost two playoff games, all playoffs so far. - We just had a five-game win streak. - Yeah. And you're not going to win the series in five games. You're just not. I think Dallas is too good. I think the abs are too good. This is six or seven games without a doubt. I do still think it's six. I think the abs win both games at home, drop game five, finish it, game six. That's what I think, but who knows? It's too early to tell. I do know that the abs, I've said this like three times right this episode, the abs played the worst game they could possibly play and they still were right in the game at the very end. - I mean, even the team that won the Stanley Cup, I have a very vivid memory of this game, but game two against St. Louis in the second round. That was a really bad game. They played like shit that entire night, scored one goal early in the third period and they just didn't have it in that game. And then they go into St. Louis on the road and they win both games in pretty dominant fashion. So you have bad games even in the playoffs sometimes, even in the playoffs, you have a night that just sucks. The end of the day, game one, you were down three to nothing and you came back to win that game. Imagine how we feel right now if that didn't happen. - Oh, it'd be a total, this whole episode would just be like, can the abs even win a game in the series? - It turns into, well, now you have to defend your home ice to have shot in the series. You lose one game at home, the series is over. So you have to defend your home ice. You fell down three nothing, both those games and maybe fall short in game one. And you can't come back another one. You gotta really evaluate how you're playing the series, but that's not where we are right now. You were able to come back from down three nothing in game one. You were able to score the winner and overtime. You got saves from your goalie. And in game two, you got saves from your goalie. You just, you didn't play very well in front of them. And you put yourself in a four nothing hole and you still almost tied it. Whereas like, yeah, you, close doesn't count for anything except for nuclear bombs and horseshoes. But again. - Is that where bombs won the scene? I don't think I've ever heard that one before. Did you just come up with that up the dome? - I think I've heard it like once. - Oh my God, I'm not saying that was impressive. I've never heard of it. - If you haven't been a nuke at something, you're close. You can get away pretty much. - I know I agree. I just have never heard that one. That was good. That was good. I props to you. Tip of the gap. - Thank you. But back to the point that I kind of forgot what I was saying. But back to the point where you still can take something away from this game. The goal heading into the third period, you couldn't change the pass. You're down four nothing. You want to make it a game. You want to make it competitive. And you almost pulled off the impossible. You fell short and it's one one. You didn't win the game. You know, you can't really hang your hat too much on that. But don't know, you take it and you move on and you want to go beat them up in your building now. - Go beat them up in your building. Those are kind of just the big picture spots, I think. We've kind of touched on the game recap. There's not much to talk about in the first period. Other than I thought the goal tenders were both terrific in this first period. The abs take too many men on the ice penalty early and they kill that one off. And then was it the second power play that the star scored on the McKinnon penalty? I mean, that was just a brilliant pass by Rope Hens to Mayor Hayskine. And the abs had a chance to clear the puck. I think there were three of them in front of the Greece. They had a chance to clear the puck. They can't get it out. And Rope Hens makes a great pass to Mayor Hayskine. There is a 0.3% chance Giorio makes the save on that point. - Yeah. And the 0.3% is he dislocates his shoulder. - Right. - And his arm comes flopping out of its socket and he makes the save. Like there's nothing he can do on that save. And it's a pretty typical abs goal to give up. It's a pretty pointless penalty. Well, lucky or not, delay a game is avoidable. And they couldn't get the puck out on the power play. And it's a perfect cross-crease pass that the goalie has no chance on. They do that a lot. So that one tracked for sure. And it's frustrating because the first penalty kill is fantastic. - One of the best we've seen all playoffs, it was really good. And this one was going good too. It's just they couldn't clear the puck. Like I'll have to go back and watch the replay of it. I'm pretty sure three abs had a chance to clear the puck. - Yeah, they got three guys just kind of fumbling with it and couldn't do anything. Man, you know, sucks. And then it's one nothing after that. Jake Ottinger, the abs have a power play late in the first period. Jake Ottinger makes some big saves all on Valentine's shoes, getting an archery like in it in front. You're just like, shit, that's a great save. You can't think bad about that. - That's the thing, man. It's like, Ottinger was phenomenal this entire game. And you still got three goals on him. Like this was a really good Jake Ottinger game for 40 minutes. And you still got three goals past him. - Right, Jake Ottinger game finished with a 903. - Yeah, like it's a drastic improvement from game one, but he's still finished with a 903. Like you can beat this guy. And the recipe's pretty simple. Just get guys in front of him. He does not do well with screens. It was something that you touched on at the beginning of the, I think in our preview that you get guys in front of him, it's going to be tough. And all three of the abs goals, they were either off a rebound with guys in front or screens. Like that's what you need. - At the end of the day, you got to make him work. - Yeah. - Yeah, I was like, they made him work a little bit in the first 40 minutes, but like not enough. Nothing sustained, nothing super. Like he's got to track the puck. Like, yeah, he made some nice saves. But he's a Jake Ottinger. He's a good goalie. He's an NHL goalie on a very good team. And it's the playoffs. You're playing good goalies at this point. There's not a lot of bad goalies left in the playoffs right now. They're going to have good nights. And you just got to keep the pressure on the guy. He's not one of the best in the world. He's fantastic, but I wouldn't put him in my top five. - I don't think that's a bad thing to say. - Not even close to my like unbeatable goalies. That's not any disrespect against him, but he's not in like the shisturkin category or like hella buck, anything like that. I don't think that's super unfair to say. You just make him work for him. - He's top 10. - I don't think it's top 10. But like any goalie in the world, you got to make his life a little more difficult. And they didn't do that a lot until a third period. - Yep, exactly. So, you were going to make some big saves in that period too. I think you brought Marshman, who now that he's back in the series, that guy's going to drive me up a wall. That dive he took in the second or third period was just an egregious act. Like how the ref can call Kibiranta for anything on that play is ridiculous. You watch the replay of it. It looked like Marshman got hit by a truck the way he flew up in the air. I thought that was funny, but he's been-- - No, I don't got to laugh. - Yeah, that was actually funny. But overall, not a terrible first period from the abs. They basically forced themselves to be down one nothing by taking two stupid penalties. And Andra makes some big saves, but you're feeling good going in the second period. And boy, oh boy, that second period was a tough watch. - Yeah, that kind of stunk to be sure that was a pretty bad period from the abs. I'd say that was their worst to the playoffs. - By far, they're worst. And I don't think it's a coincidence that their best defensive defense have been missed like what, three-fourths of it? - Yeah, you don't just do it now. - Yeah, I mean, we can talk about, I mean, Jamie Bin just levels to Von Taves. Takes Taves out for probably about, like I said, three-fourters of the second period. The abs have to jumble up the deep hairs. McCar took a bunch of shots, blocked a bunch of shots tonight. He was laboring around a little bit. But it's off of face-off. Taves, his head's not really on a swivel and Ben, hit goes shoulder to head. It looked like in my opinion, but according to every single hockey rules, I had a list out there that was a clean hit, even though Taves' head is whipped back. - It's so clean he got pulled by concussion spotters. - Yeah, and it looked like to me, Jamie Bin left his feet. - He did. - So I thought that should have been at least a two-minute power play for the abs. They called it a five-minute major on the ice. The quickest five-minute major review I think I've ever seen in my life, and they determined there's no penalty on the play. There's no better time to be on Twitter than when a play like this happens because you have a good 50/50 split of what everyone thinks should have happened when it comes to that. I thought it should have been at least a two-minute penalty, at least. I do get that Ben's initial contact is with the shoulder, but here's the thing. Just because he hits the shoulder first doesn't mean the head's just free range. - It hit him so. - In the Twitter breakdowns I saw by rules analyst, he goes shoulder to shoulder first, but then the fall through hits his head. - Right, he left his feet. - Right, that's the whole point. - Because he launched himself off the knee and launched himself towards Devang Taze's head. - Yeah. - He hit head contacts with him for a hit that forced him to get pulled by concussion spotters, where it's just why do we need to do all these mental gymnastics? He hit him in the head. He hit him in the head with his shoulder and left his feet. Okay, so he grazed his shoulder first. Congratulations, you were so close to a clean hit. You almost did it. Dirty hit, dirty hit that should have gotten looked at by player safety, but I mean, it might have looked like I was being a rational on Twitter. No, I believe this. The NHL does not care about player safety. They don't care about getting the stuff out of the game. They don't. - Well, it's just 'cause they'll describe this as a playoff hockey hit. - Yeah, playoff hockey hit. It's a dangerous hit to the head. - Well, it goes back to like another point to prove this and we're gonna sound like whiny babies during this segment. I don't care. I don't care. - I'm consistent on this. I'm like this every time. This isn't barely anything to do with the abs. It's just how I feel about it. - Well, like here's the thing too is like, you can't tell me the NHL doesn't like cares about player safety. When you watch what Jacob Truba did two nights ago, where he launches into Marty Nages, throws the elbow up as he's falling into the boards and he got called for a penalty on the play, but can you imagine if that elbow hits Nages in the head? - Maybe like, oh, it was an accident. - Right. - I mean, anything anyway. 'Cause I mean, at the end of the day, is an inarguable fact. The NHL does not care about player safety. They don't care about head trauma. They are not concerned with getting this stuff out of the game. If they did, George Parouse would not be in charge of player safety. And like I put out earlier, Gary Bedwell would not be publicly denying the links between hockey and CTE. Where a guy like Paul Korea smart enough to get in the harbor is testing out a 25th percentile level after his career from the amount of head shots that he takes. And the amount of guys that it's to sit here and act like there is no head trauma in the NHL is insane. And we don't have to sit here and act like it's fine. And just to, oh, we're trying to get this out of the game. No, you're not. Stop lying to me. - Yeah, no, I'm just there lying to me. - It's just one of those ones that's infuriating me because there's just no consistency in that call. 'Cause I feel like we saw that hit a lot of times in the regular season and about 50-50 it was, whether it was a five minute major or no penalty at all. - They don't want to call five minute majors in the playoffs. - Yeah, no, I agree. - They don't want to call five minute majors in the playoffs for anything short of attempted murder. - And that's the thing. I want refs to be on a mic the entire time. Like they're wired for the entire game. 'Cause I want to hear what that call was. I want to hear their reasoning for it because they're not going to have to answer questions about why that call was made. The people in Toronto aren't going to have to answer it. It's just, it felt like they checked all the boxes where it's like they call the five minute major, they can go and review it and then go from there because there was nothing called in the ice originally. Nothing. And I didn't like the hit. I think Jamie Ben's reputation, it precedes him was because he's kind of a dirt bag. He got to spend, yeah, he got to spend the last year. He missed three games for that hit on, was it Patranslow or Stone? I don't remember. - I can't remember. He got to spend it for three games. Like the reputation precedes it. And not to go back to when it, if Nazim Kadri does that, it's probably what a 50 game suspension form? - Yeah, it's inconsistent for different people in the playoffs and it's the kind of thing where just don't sit here and tell me you're trying to clean up the game and get unnecessary hits out of the game. Just say fuck you, fuck you, it's in the game, stop whining about it. Just be honest with me about it. That's all. - No. - Like I didn't like the hit. I thought it should have been a penalty. I thought it was the quintessential hit that you should be trying to get out of the game at the very least. It's a dangerous play for a guy who's just trying to play the puck and you launch it into his head. - That's the thing, man, is it's like, okay, he didn't make contact with the head, but he literally, you can see his feet, leave the eye, and he made contact with the head. His feet left the ice. - His feet left the ice and he made contact with the head. In a properly run league, that's open and shut. You're done for the night. Any head contact, your feet leave the ice. Done. You're done for the night, full stop. We'll look at everything else automatically later. And guess what, that stuff stops happening. You stop going for heads. People line up their heads better and make clean heads. People act like, oh, you're taking a hitting out of the game. Like, no, it's just like major head trauma. - Just like checking people and leaving your feet to make it. - Like just major head trauma, concussions, CTE. Just it makes the game a little less enjoyable, knowing that that, you know, guys are getting their bell rung to use an old Neanderthalic term. It's concussion. - This thing is, thank God, Taves came back because if he, like, you saw what the abs were without him. (laughing) It was bad. It was bad. And it's no coincidence when he came back, the abs kind of got better in the third period. So I think we talked enough about it. We both didn't like the hit. You'll have stars, fans say, and it's a clean hit, and that's fine. I mean, you're entitled to your opinion. It's just the wrong one. So the abs, you don't get a power play there. And was it shortly after Manson gets called for the delay a game? - Yep. - Shortly after Manson gets called, well, wait, the Rope Henskull happened first to make it two nothing. - I thought we did that one. - Yeah, it doesn't. Rope Hens scored to make it two nothing. And nothing you or you can do. Sean Walker and Josh Manson gets called on a pinch and Sean Walker dives and the stars make a good play. And it's two nothing. After the hit, Josh Manson then takes a delay a game penalty. Again, another avoidable penalty by the abs. And the stars score Miro Hasekin and gets his second of the game. Jamie Ben parked right in front of your gift. I believe it deflects off Cogliano's stick. - Yeah. - There's nothing you or you can do. - I mean, it's top right corner. It's a perfect shot. - The four layers screened and top right corner deflecting off of people. He's looking the other way. - Nothing you do. It's three nothing. And I just love how all that Twitter was like, we got him right where we want him. And here's the thing, if they would have just held him the three, if we're right. - They would have been right. They would have been completely right. We would have had him right where we wanted them. But the power play is they get an opportunity late in the second period. They get Miko Ranson to draw a hold on Rope Hens. And the power play looks like shit. And the puck goes the other way. And he give up an awful, short-handed goal. - Backbreaker, backbreaker. - Backbreaker, short-handed. - The fact they even came out for the third period in place was the end of the third period after that. His kudos to you because I would have just, that's the moment where you put the controller down and quit the game. Like when that happens, it's over. - Just not your night. Harley misses, it goes off the back glass and the stars get two more short-handed chances before anyone even realizes what's going on. And Sagan makes it four to nothing. And you, that's a brutal one. Absolutely brutal one to give up at that point. 'Cause it's the first time all year Dallas has taken a four-nothing lead on them. - Breaking news, Stan and Josh Crocky were at the game tonight. So Stan the man, maybe don't go to another game, buddy. We love you, but don't go to another game. - And Jenny Moore? - No, no, I mean, I just saw that tweet and I saw Stan was there. So I figured that was, that is breaking news. But yeah, like you were saying, the stars go up four nothing. Your face there, I thought I was muted, but the stars go up four nothing. And it's, the game was over at that point. I think I sent you the text saying, you wanna record early after that call went in. - And of course they have to drag us back into it and score to three goals in the third period. And it was good to see you out, keep you around to score against, I mean, this is a guy in the Winnipeg series who worked his ass off, worked his way to earning a spot on the playoff roster with how he played last series, gets hurt, missed the first game, comes back for this one. And again, looked really good in this game, even with everything going badly for the team in front of him and working hard again and cash is in for another goal. Even if they didn't score another goal, the rest of this game, that goal still meant something. - Yeah, and we knew he was gonna score in the series, right? Right, we knew he was going to. So it was good to see him back out there and he, you forget how good he was in that Winnipeg series before he got hurt. - He was really good. He was really effective where now he gets healthy. It's not even a question that he's going in on the third line. Like that's his role right now. - And who would have thought that would be the case going at the playoffs because that he's been phenomenal. And it was good to see him get the goal and at worst, I was just happy the abs were gonna get shut out. Little did I know the abs were gonna score two more times in this period and make it even more of a fantastic game to watch. - Yeah, and the next goal is coming from Brandon Duhaem set up by Andrew Cagliano, his first career Stanley Cup playoff goal like that. That's two goals from your bottom six in the span of four minutes. And all of a sudden that arena got real quiet, real fast 'cause you could feel it coming. Like that's two bottom six goals right there. You know, they got a power play coming, they're gonna empty the net. The game is not over. And it slowed down for a little while. - Well, didn't the abs take another penalty and that really kind of fucked it up? - Yeah, well again, they took a too many men on the ice penalty, but that was also, I think that was after Keeby Ronta's goal. So then they kill that one, then they get the Duhaem goal and then you get the Sean Walker's, no, that was the second again. My brain, it's like one a.m. I'm still-- - It's one a.m. And we need to talk about that Sean Walker thing. I'm glad you brought that up. How the refs missed that offside is beyond me. And the fact that the abs couldn't challenge that for offsides to prevent the penalty from happening makes zero sense to me. - Yeah, he was a mile offside and this was a soft slash. - Yes. - I thought it was like, in real time, I was like, where did the slash happen? He got him like on the elbow. - Right, no effect on the shot. No effect on the shot whatsoever. The ref is digging for a call at that point 'cause he sees a breakaway and he sees-- - Because I think the down off missed the net so bad on that that he thought the slash was even worse than it was. - Yeah, he fooled himself into thinking there was a penalty on that play. It's just, if Danny Dadaev has no hands and somehow that's Walker's fault. - Yeah, but yeah, that was just another, why that rule can't, like you can challenge it if a goal score, but you can't challenge it if a penalty's called on a play that should have been blown dead on offsides to begin with. But yeah, regardless. Back to the third period, you get the do-hand goal to make it four to two and the abs then pull the goalie with what? Four minutes left in the third? There was about four minutes? - So in the third period and by God, they get one. They get one with the goalie pull before they even have the power play. Leckenen shoots it 'cause right off of Val's knee into the back of the net and you got a little under four minutes to score a goal. Here is a one goal game. That place is silent. - Silent. - And silent. - It was great. It was a really fun last four minutes of hockey considering we didn't think we were gonna get that. And the abs push after that, they get a penalty against Dallas White. Johnson gets called for two minutes for high sticking, Devan Taves. And here's your chance. Like you have a chance to tie the game with two minutes and 55 seconds left. You have two minutes of power play. And like you said, do you think maybe the power play bringing out the sixth guy made it even tighter to get pucks through to the net? Because I feel like Dallas just compressed that box even. - I mean, when you get under two minutes, I think you have to at least just put it all out there at that point and get the extra guy. I agreed with not pulling him earlier in the power play and just seeing what your power play can do at that point. But once you got to under two minutes and you still got what would have been probably 80 seconds of like a two man advantage, you have to empty it. At that point, you can't say you left anything to chance. And I think it does do that a little bit. Like it definitely does crowd the ice, but Dallas just had a box in front of that. They were not gonna let any of those pucks get through. - No, and it doesn't allow for the crossing passes. And still even with that, I thought the abs had a chance. We mentioned at the beginning of the show well, that archery leckered into flexion. If that doesn't hit Tana's legs, I think that's labeled for the back of the net 'cause I can't see the puck. And it truly is a game inches. I feel like the abs couldn't get a bounce to go their way tonight. You had, I believe it was Sam Gerard who had to post in the second period. You had a shot from Kilmercar in the third period missed the net by like an inch. - Yeah, all that one. - But it barely missed all that would have been. - Yeah, that would have been great. So you had your chances to tie it. But sometimes it's just not your night and the playoffs are long and very hard and you're not going to win every game, but you gave it a value and effort. - Yeah, and you cannot be okay with the first 40 minutes of the game. - No. - Straight up, you cannot look at the first 40 minutes of that game and be anything more than upset that you lost this game. 'Cause you sucked for the first 40 minutes of the game in arguable fact. And still take away from the third period that they fought back. They got important goals from their depth and were inches away from a massive four goal comeback that would have completely changed the complexion of this series. But didn't happen. It's unfortunate. - Way like you play in the third period for even 35 40 minutes of game three. You're going to win game three. - You don't even have to do that. Like just keep it even. - Right. - Keep it close. Keep it at some level that you can set yourself up for third period success. Like you've had all playoff long. Third periods in the playoffs have been absolutely excellent. - They've been perfect. - Yeah. - Didn't have the period of hockey for the ass. - That is I think now 17 to five after this game in the third period. Three of those came in game one against Winnipeg in a period where a period where they scored three goals as well. And then the one goal Winnipeg got in game five early in the third, which they then scored three more goals to win that game. And now the empty netter in this game wouldn't which they scored three more goals in that period. So the third period has been dominant for this team, but they got to figure out their starts. They got to start starting on time, staying out of the box. And if they do that, your give needs to continue to keep the puck out of the net 'cause there are times in the regular season and sometimes in the playoffs where he just has a rough start to a game. So they got to figure it out. I mean, you're two games in the second round at this point. You got to start figuring out how to match up your energy in the third period to energy at the start and you're going to start getting much better results. - You're going to start getting much better results. So overall, tough game, it got funnier to the end. I will say it was fun to watch a playoff game and just be laughing the entire time because they're the fact that they almost came back in this game as a Larry's because of just simply how bad the first 40 minutes went. The first 40 minutes made this game like laughable that it even got close at the end. - We could have very easily been talking about like a 6, 1, 7, nothing loss where it was that bad. - It was. - They really did play that bad. - It was so bad. - That this could have really, really gotten out of hand and the only way you could spin it is it's just one game. - It's just one game. - But you're exactly right. That's exactly what we're being 'cause you've always been like, you know, we may have lost nine to nothing tonight, but it's still tied one one. - You did your job at the end of the day. You went in the Dallas and you got a split and you're coming back home one one. Yeah, you lost nine to nothing, but you don't get extra wins in a series for doing that. We're not having that conversation 'cause they did fight back in the game. They did give you something to work with in the third period. Georgiev did have himself a good night and he made some big saves. Your depth is still coming through and you need your top guns to come through for you. - They did great. The top guns dominated game one, struggled in game two and it's gonna happen 'cause the stars are a very good team. That is the big thing you take away from this is the stars are a very good team and you can't give them any extra chances that they aren't gonna get for themselves. - And Pete DeBore made his adjustments in game two. They worked well. Jared Bednar now has to go in the lab and make his adjustments for game three. That's how it's gonna have to be in the series. It's gonna be a chess match and you can't let this go to two losses in a row. - Can't let go to two losses and did you see the tweet about what Bednar said about Bednar? - I have not looked at my phone this entire episode. - Oh, Devon Taves, he's gonna be fine. Bednar thought the target is high and it's at his head still confused how there was no penalty called on the play. Which for Jared Bednar is a very emotional. - He might as well flip the mic stand. - Yeah, for Jared Bednar, that is a very, very emotional outburst from him. So it is good to know that the coach is on our side with that at least. So that's kind of my thoughts for game two, man. Like it was just a bad game from the abs and it got fun near the end. But you go into game three and if you just protect home ice, you win the series. - Even everything else from this game where if they call the offside on to Donna and that power play doesn't happen, then you have a slightly better power play that doesn't give up a massive shorthand chance. And you clean up some of those mistakes. Stuff like that doesn't happen and you might still be talking about a win in this game. - They're probably still playing if we're being honest. - They probably are very much still playing at this point. And these are all things fixable, adjustable, and some of it is just luck at the same time as well. If there's nothing you need to walk away from this game from being like all the other fucked. If nothing they can do, they can't win the series. - They can't. - You knew it wasn't gonna be a sweep. We said after game one, they're not winning four games in a row in this series. They're not sweeping Dallas. Now they get to go home. Now they get to sleep in their own bed and draw up a game plan, watch some film, and just wipe that. I feel like they did wipe the taste of that game out of their mouth already by-- - Yeah, that third period was great. - I'm out in a little comeback where you don't have to sit with us for a lot. I was like, okay, we had them on the ropes. Even still, at our worst, we had them on the ropes. So you go home, you do what you can, and you come out for game three with a much better 60 minute effort because you know Dallas is going to play well. They're gonna give you a 60 minute effort. You have to match them. And at very least set yourself up for success in the third period. 'Cause going down four nothing is not it. That's not gonna work. - Not gonna work, not gonna work at all. But let's preview game three. For some reason, why is this game on at 8 p.m. on a Saturday? And I know what's, I shouldn't be talking to you. It's gonna be 10 p.m. Eastern for you. But why? - I mean, we talked about this in the preview, I think, or after game one, it was like, who the hell made this schedule where this is a 10 o'clock start Eastern time, nine o'clock start Central time, 8 p.m. start Mountain time. And how is that good for anybody on Saturday? So I still can't wrap my head around that. Like, why not do the Rangers hurricanes at like one? - Yeah. - You do have an afternoon? - Yeah, they have the same seven on a Saturday. Like, is there something crazy happening that day or something that I just don't know about? - No, I mean, Mother's Day is the day after, but like, I don't know, it makes zero sense. And they're doing it again on Sunday. Like that just makes no sense. - Yeah. - Of course scheduled with six 30 Eastern start in Boston. - Yeah. - Don't get that at all. But yeah, I don't get the start time for that. I mean, at least it's a Saturday. So like don't... - Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not complaining. Like we're going to be a lady the way, like it's not the end of the world. But I will say game five is going to feel like that game starts at like noon for the fact that it's starting at, I think it's six 30 my time. - Yeah. - Which is, that's going to be crazy. They still have an announced game four. - Which I think they're waiting to see if the Rangers sweep. - Yeah, which we'll talk about that a little bit. But yeah, 8 p.m. start time for game three, day before Mother's Day, shout out to all the moms. In ball arena, what I saw in that third period, I think if the abs lose four nothing, my tune's a little bit different. But what I saw in that third period makes me feel even more confident that the abs are going to win this game like four to two. - Yeah. I think it's a low scoring game. I think the abs are due for a game where it's just low scoring, grind it out. I mean, I think it's a three to regulation win where someone's just going to have to be a hero and then step up late. You're going to have to get some lucky balances. You're going to have to get some saves and it's just going to be a rough physical playoff win in your building. You got to defend your home ice in this series and they showed enough fight in the third period. You need a lot more from your top guys. You need more from Michael Ranton and McKinnon needs to adjust and find a way to break free from a lot of that pressure. The power play needs to be a lot better. You can't lose the special team's battle as badly as you did in this game where not only do you go over on the power play, you give up a short handed goal and give up two power play goals. There's your difference right there. You got destroyed in the special team's battle. So you have to find a way to turn that around. But I think they will. The abs are a good team that can adjust 'cause this game is fine in a vacuum. But if you come out flat in game three, that's a big problem. - 'Cause that'd be three straight games. - Three straight games, you come out flat and you're fine in the playoffs, but losing two in a row is... - That'll kill you. - That'll kill you. - That'll kill you. - That'll kill you. - That can't happen. And I think this game goes a little bit different. I think the abs jump out to a two-nothing lead. The stars battle back. And I'm gonna say Casey Middlestad scores the game winner gives you a three-two lead and then Val gets the empty netter to make it four-two. - I feel like Casey's due for an important goal here. - Yeah, I didn't love him at certain points in this game but he's been decent enough. - He's been decent enough overall. - But yeah, I mean, overall the first two games in Dallas winning both is gratuitous. - Yeah. - The goal is to split. Winning both is insane. Like, that's the pathway that just, it doesn't happen all that much against it. - It depends on how'd that work out for Vegas in the last round. - Yeah. It's not a guaranteed series win, either way. Now you get a wake-up call and you're not getting away with a lot of mistakes that you have over the last little while where just some things you've been able to score your way out of. They almost did it, but it wasn't enough. There is a limit. This team is human. They're gonna come back from every single deficit that they have. And again, you need to be reminded of that sometimes. Remind of that, you're human. Remind of that, you're just gonna have to play better for 60 minutes and you're not going to have these incredible comebacks every single time. Like, there's gonna have to be a game where you just, you dominate the whole time and hopefully that's game three. Hopefully they done what they need to do. Have a good film session and bounce back and defend your home ice. That's gonna be the big key in this series. This is the series here in Colorado. You have to defend your home ice. - I mean, if they win games three and four, it's gonna feel great going back to Alice for game five. So I think they do. I really like the way that third period went and I still don't think the abs have played like a complete game in the series. And the margin is not much. Like they can win this series if they play 90% of what they played in Winnipeg. They haven't played their best in this series. And it's one one. A staff with a lot of room to get better. And even at their worst, they were still able to get it close against Alice. If they turn it on, they get their fastball back. They're gonna win the series, but it's gonna be up to them. They have to be able to make those adjustments. - Happy able to make those adjustments. But I can't wait for game three. Let's quickly recap everything that happened in the NHL playoffs. Oh, before we do that, it's not something Drewann skated today. So I still think game five or six is probably when we'll see him back, but he was back out there. So that's good. - Yeah, good to see Drewann back. I mean, probably later in the series. I mean, I don't want to get my hopes that he's going to be back for game three. Maybe he is, but I don't want to see him in like a non-contact in the next couple of days. And then game five is when he plays. - I think you got to ramp up, like you can't just hop right back into the playoffs. - And when's the last time he played playoff game? Cause wasn't he out for the entire habs run to the cup final? - Is it the entire run to the final? - Cause I couldn't play your assistants during that, wasn't he? - I think he was just on, I think he was actually just away from the team. I don't think he was in player assistance. - No. - It's the last time he was in the playoffs was 1920 in the bubble with-- - Oh, I forgot they were in the bubble there. They beat the penguins, right? - They beat the penguins and they lost in six to Philly. - That's right. - Seven points in 10 games in that playoff run. - Who for Jonathan Drew? So maybe we're in a good playoff performance back, but that's gonna be a huge addition when he comes back and it sounds like-- - Honestly playoff Jonathan Drew had is kind of an animal. He's been in the playoffs a few times. His rookie season with Tampa was not good. He had zero points in six games and was a minus six. Then the next year, Tampa goes to the Eastern Conference final. He has five goals, nine assists, 14 points in 17 games. Doesn't go back to the playoffs until the bubble. He has one goal, six assists, seven points in 10 games. So in a very short sample size, Jonathan Drew ends kind of, it's been pretty good in the playoffs. - Okay, that makes me feel good about when he comes back. So hopefully he's back soon, but now we can recap the rest of the NHL playoffs. And honestly, this round has been more exciting. I feel like there's been some better games. - Oh, much better. - Yeah. - So well, this has been playoff hockey. - Yeah. - Because whatever the fuck the first round was was just regular season extended. - Yeah. - This is playoff hockey. - This is playoff hockey. And let's start with the Oilers and Canucks. That game was wild last night. The Oilers jump out to a 4-1 lead. The Canucks come all the way back when 5-4 in regulation, the Oilers muster eight shots on goal in the final two periods. Conor McDavid has one shot on goal. - Zero. - The zero shots on goal, the entire game. And I'm still in shock the Canucks won that game. Like, I went to bed when it was 4-1. And when I woke up and saw my bet won then when I'd been on the Canucks to win, I was like, what the fuck happened here, man? Like, I thought I was safe to go to bed. - Yeah, I did the same thing. I was like, okay, it's 4-1. I need to get some sleeves. I'm gonna be up late with the abs tomorrow. - Check it out. - Like what, 5-4? What are you talking about? - I didn't exactly- - What the fuck happened? - 'Cause I was having trouble going to sleep. And I was like, oh, let me just see, like, probably the Oilers scored two more at 6-1. I get on my phone and I'm like, 5-4 game, like a minute left. I'm like, what the fuck happened here? - What happened here? - Yeah. - The Canucks, I mean, didn't even take them that long. They did that in the span of like five minutes that they took the lead in that game. And the Oilers, like, what a collapse. They made 18 shots on C-Lov. - Yeah, and I think you were right, I think you were right. - I heard how to pronounce his name and I already forgot it, but they, yeah, they, and he had a bad game too. Like that fourth Hyman goal was terrible. - Yeah. - And the Oilers, they just collapsed. They just collapsed. And if you are Dallas and Colorado right now, and you see that result, where the Canucks don't look very good, but they pull off a 4-1 comeback to win. And the Oilers choke that lead. You're like, we gotta take care of business here. We gotta take care of business here. - It was not a good game from Stuart Skinner. And I don't know. The Canucks, I still think the Oilers win the series. It may not be at five anymore, but I still think the Oilers win the series. - But as a neutral fan, best case scenario. - Yes. - Just give me some hate. Give me some comebacks. Give me some fucking crazy playoff hockey. I would love to see the Canucks win this series. That would be awesome if they could go. - It'd be great. I would love to see that too. But all the, like, that was just a bad, bad, bad luck. Like, I think that one's worse than the Stars. - Yeah. Yeah, I mean, cause the Stars, it happened over the course of 40 minutes. - Yeah. - The Oilers did it in five. - Yeah. - And they lost regulation. - Yeah. - It was like, and McDavid, no shots on goal. Dry title, it's having cramps and leaves of the game in the second period. I guess that was not pretty for me. You got a goal from Cody Cece and you lost, and Geez. - He lost. And the Kidus Doroff looks better than Quinn Hughes. And these playoffs. - Yeah, Doroff, I mean, early cons, my favorite. I mean, he's fucking flying out there. He looks ridiculous. - He's playing some really good hockey. So, game two of that series will be tonight by the time you're listening to this. I think it's gonna be fun series. I'm excited I actually get to stay up and watch the entire game tomorrow. I'm excited that I'll be able to watch the entire game. But that's a fun series. Another one, this Boston Florida series. What a crazy game that was. Panthers win 6-1, but there were like 100 penalty minutes in that third period for the like. - Just for my point, I wanted to bring up earlier when we were talking about the Jamie Ben and Devon Days thing. I know there is a lot of frustration that like, oh, Jamie Ben, no one went after him. No one tried to get the pound to flesh back on. First of all, Josh Manson knocked him into the bench. Second of all, you can't really do that in the playoffs. Like, yeah, you want to not let him get away with hitting your guy. But the Bruins in the third period are down three to one going into the third period. And they immediately start trying to goon it up and start trying to send a message and they give up three goals and it was 6-1. Where two hours later, the Canucks are down 4-1, the third period, instead of trying to send a message for the next game, they keep playing and they win. They go on to win the game and find a way to keep playing and win the game in regulation and the abs. Instead of trying to chase down Jamie Ben in the third period, they keep playing and they almost pull off a comeback where, yeah, you don't want to let people get away with hurting your guys. But at a certain point, you have to keep playing the game. You can't just be chasing people around the ice. And Boston in this game came off to me like a bunch of sore losers. They just look frustrated that the Panthers kick their ass and like you have David Posternock fighting Matt Kitchuck. What are we doing here? Like, yeah, that's cool. But David Posternock, not really. - Yeah, I mean-- - It's cool to score goals. - You, it's cool to see the headline, but in reality, the fact that Jim Montgomery's nodding him on, rather you have lost your mind. That's your tank. That's your guy. That's your guy that's gonna lead you to the promised land. You want him to break his hand on Matt Kitchuck's helmet or get a concussion, gettin' punched in the face? That's a, that is emotional. That is nothing but emotional 'cause you're getting your ass kicked as a stupid thing to do. Stupid thing and it was entertaining for a little bit, but then at the same time, you're like, all right, let's get this game over. Like, what, why are we still playing? - The benches are empty and there's like 12 minutes left. - Yeah, it was a tough, it was a fun game. Panthers respond. I still think Panthers are gonna win this series. Swamin', they did score some goals on him. I expect to give bounce back performance from him tonight, but I do still think the Panthers are going to win this series. - Yeah, as I was saying, coming in a second out of the way we got some hate back in this playoff. - These two teams ate each other. - First round was too civil. We need to get some hate mixed back in here and I think we're gonna get more of that in Edmonton, Vancouver. We're definitely gonna get more of that in Game 3 of Boston, Florida. And then you move on to the other series out West and dude, Carolina, what the fuck? - Yeah, I mean, this is like, it's like we're living in a simulation. Like it's every year for the past five years we've done this. And every year I buy into it. And the thing is, it's like, the Hurricanes five on five are kicking the Rangers ass. It's just short handed it on the power play. They can't stop these guys. - They just, they don't have the guys to push it over the finish line. Or it's like, we've seen this for five years now where Ajo's a good player, Fechinacov's a good player. Like they're full of so many good to great players, that they don't have a guy like Artemi Panerin who can push you over the finish line in one of these games. Where in game two, they have so many power plays and they give up two to the Rangers and lose. And in this game, they give up a short handed goal and they lose. They put 47 shots on Shisturkin. And he's stopping everything he sees right now. And the Rangers, yeah, they look really good, but Carolina, you got fucking kidding me. You can't, every single time you play a good team in the playoffs, you can't just keep crumbling in a dust. It's ridiculous. You look at their wins since they beat the Rangers in the bubble where they beat Nashville in the playoffs, weird ass series. And then the next year, they beat the Bruins when they were very good as a wild guard team than most of the Rangers. And then last year, they beat the Islanders in round one, not that great of a team, but they beat them, then they beat the Devils in the next round who were good, but not super playoff experienced and got their ass kicked. Then they got swept by the Panthers. This year, they beat up on a very bad Islanders team who had to blow some leads along the way. And now they're going up against the Rangers and are on verge of being swept for the second straight year. At what point do you look at how you've constructed this team and go, what else do we do here? - Yeah. - Or then make some changes. - Yeah. And I like to consider the fact that we're in a safe space here. I think the Rangers have a really good chance to win the Stanley Cup. - I mean, they've won seven in a row. - Yeah. - My hatred can only take me so far. - Yeah, I'm starting to get concerned 'cause I thought the hurricanes would be able to slow them down and no, they haven't. So I like to consider we're in a safe space. The Rangers are really starting to scare me now. - Yeah, like 'cause let's say the Panthers do when that series against Boston match up against the Rangers, that series is gonna be a bloodbath the rest of the way. The Rangers for potentially two straight series are gonna be watching that on their couch with their feet up, just munching on popcorn, super rested going the Eastern Conference final. If they sweep the hurricanes, they're eight no, sweep two series and waiting for the survivor of Florida, Boston. - Yeah, we're in a safe space, I am concerned. I texted you about it after that game, I'm concerned. And it's just frustrating because the hurricanes have been the better team these past two games, but special teams are the difference in playoff hockey. They can't score on the power plate and they can't stop the Rangers power plate. And you're giving up short-handed goals. - And just starting to make an important say is it made 44 saves in this game? - Off of 54, the game before. Like the hurricanes have been the better team. It's just special teams are the difference. And the Rangers special teams right now is just all over the place. And I'm just, it makes me sick hearing these announcers just talk about how great the coach Peter Labullet is as if we're just ignoring how bad he was. - What man is fired within two years marked by once? - Like, we're just ignoring how bad he was in Washington. And where was he before that Philly? - Nashville. - Nashville. - From time, right? Where did he go after Nashville? - I don't know, that's what I'm saying. Like, we're just ignoring the fact that, but he's just such a great coach. And it's like, he's a great motivator. And I'm like, what the fuck are we talking about here? This was a guy who couldn't even get this cap scheme. And we saw Spencer Carberry drag a corpse to the playoffs. - How about he's probably dragged a worse team to the playoffs than Labullet did? - Yeah, like it's just, it's annoying to me. But who gives a shit? Hopefully they just don't win it all. - Well, yeah, that's just my worst nightmare. My worst nightmare is the Rangers winning the Stanley Cup. - Yeah, I got a couple of worst nightmares still left in the playoffs here. - So, but yeah, that's a quick playoff recap. - The Leafs fire Sheldon Keefe, not-- - Oh yeah, that happened. If you haven't seen the tweet by Sheldon Keefe, he's already on a beach. - Yeah, that dude got fired and got right on a plane to Kanko, like he-- - Dude, I think he was already there. And I think he was just like, he knew he was gonna get fired. - And they sent him an email. - Yeah, like he just tried to log into his computer and saw his access was 90. - Actually, he probably found out the same time we did. - Yeah, right. - Like he probably saw for even tweeted about it. He's like, "Oh, okay." - Yeah, whatever, it happens. - Yeah. - So that was the most predictable thing of all time. And now the rumors start of who's going to be the Maple Leafs coach, I've seen-- - Did not take long for Joel Quenville to get thrown into that mix. And let me just-- - Yeah, yeah, that could happen. I don't know how I feel about that. And I think it's gonna be Craig Barouba, if we're being honest with you. - Yeah, that's awesome. - I think they'd love to get Rob Brenda Moore, but I don't think Caroline's gonna let him walk out the door. They may, but-- - Yeah, I mean, I also think Bednar had an interesting point where it's just like, how are teams supposed to build anything if you're firing coaches every single year? We're now, he's the second longest-tenured coach. Rod Brenda Moore is the third-longest-tenured coach or fourth-longest-tenured coach because he got the big three with Cooper, Bednar, and Sullivan, and Brenda Moore-- - It's all gonna make it fire. - And now, isn't Marty St. Louis the fifth-longest-tenured coach? - I think so. - And he got hired the end of last season or the year before? - Yeah, 'cause he got hired right after they fired that guy after they-- - Dom Ducharm, they fired Ducharm. They brought in St. Louis towards the end of the cup year for us, am I correct? It was either cup year or the year before that. - I think it was a cup year because the habs were in the cup final the year before. - With Ducharm, then they fired Ducharm, they're bringing in St. Louis. He is now the fifth-longest-tenured coach. - That's fun. - Yeah, and now, I think Tour de Raula is like the sixth-longest-tenured coach of the year. You've seen more than half of the league turn over coaches where a lot of them are understandable, like with Labiolette in the cap situation, like that was not sustainable. You could not do that anymore. But I think you're also seeing a lot of like, "Oh, man, we lost six games in a row. "Fire this guy. "Get him out of here. "Fire this guy." It's hard to build anything when you're having so much turnover. Like imagine, as someone brought up this point, imagine we fired Bednar after we lost to Vegas. You don't give him a chance to build a team right there. Imagine Tampa fires, John Cooper, after they get swept by Columbus. At some point, you do have to give your coaches a chance. And I'm not advocating for Sheldon Keefe here. He should be fired. Like he, as a genuinely an example, if you gave a guy probably too much time. - Yeah, he got a lot of time, especially for leave standards. - Right. There are also times where it's just like, if you don't believe in this guy to get you out of a cold streak, then why are you hiring him to begin with? - Right. - Where it's just, I feel like a lot of it is just used as GMs trying to save their jobs. - Correct. - But half of the league has fired their coaches over the last two years. Are you fucking kidding me? - It's crazy. - That's ridiculous. - It's actually been insane how many coaches it might go. It's almost like you shouldn't just recycle the same head coaches. - Right. And also it's like the Jack Adams means nothing. - Yeah. - You've seen the guys who've won it several years over just get fired. - Yeah. And Jim Montgomery probably gets fired if they don't win game seven against the Leafs. - Yeah. Either way, you have a coach in that series getting fired. - Yep. - Like what are we, what are we doing here? - Makes no sense. It makes no sense. - Like if you're gonna hire a coach, you should have enough trust in him. He's like, okay, we didn't get the results we wanted this year. Still believe in the process. Like, oh, we lost in the first round as a third seed. Get this fucking guy out of here. Bring it, we need a new voice. I need to protect my job. It's just, it's becoming, there's no patience. Everyone's so close that if you don't immediately have success, you're an awful coach. And there also should probably be some emphasis put on players at a certain point. - Yeah. - Like GMs are a lot more willing to stick with players for a long time than they are with coaches. - Well, they also, the coaches make a lot less money. - The coach make a lot less money, a lot easier to explain the fans 'cause most fans hate their coach. We're kind of exceptions where we like Jared Bednar a lot. Most fans hate their coach. And they're the easiest one to blame for everything. So I think we're just in a period of time right now where there's no patience and then probably some point in the next 10 years where you'd be like, wow, no one's really gotten fired recently. - Yeah, it'll, the pendulum will swing back. - Yeah, it always does. I mean, it's the same thing for everything. It's everything is always gonna swing to one side for a long time. It's gonna swing back the other way. It's all gonna average out. - Yep, yep. So Sean Keith out the door, another head coaching vacancy. I'm sure whoever the Leafs will hire, they will talk themselves into thinking that that's the way they win the cup. It was all Sean's, Keith's fault, not the core four. So I don't think I have anything else for this episode, man. - No, I think I'm good for this one. - Oh, we did have to mention real quick, before we go, Nathan McKinnon nominated, not surprisingly for the heart and the Ted Lindsey Kalemakar also nominated for the course, not shocking news, but we'll mention that. - You knew this already. As we've had the conversation at length, the entire season long, McKinnon should win anything less than that is people who didn't watch the game and look at the big number, Ag, oh, that's good. Big number, big assist number, 100 assists, even though McDavid did it too, so. - Yeah, so, but yeah, that's it. It's approaching almost two a.m. for Griffin on the East Coast. We need to get him out of here. I need to get out of here. And Saturday night will be in a much better mood 'cause neither of us have to be up super early on Sunday. So we'll go from there. - So we're gonna wrap this one up here. Thank you all so very much for tuning in to another edition of the Telet Asit is podcast. You can use promo code Telet Asit is on Siki for $20 off your first order of $50 or more. You know, follow us on Twitter. You can follow me @gyoungsnadeshow. You can follow Christian @Christian_balay. And you can follow the show @teletAsit is. But again, thank you all so very much for tuning in and we will catch you all next time. But until then, let's go abs. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
