[Music] We're back on Kidock Central and we are four enzyme Pacific Vakubers Premier Chrysler, Dodge Ram and Jeep Superstore on 2nd Avenue between Cammy and Maine, or at enzymepacificcrisler.ca in the Kintec Studio, Kintec Canada's favorite orthotics provider, powered by thousands of five-star Google reviews. Soarfeet, what are you waiting for? Let's go to the full lines. Let's head to Edmonton, where we find Randeep Janda, a Canucks color analyst en route to the West Edmonton Mall. I saw you tweet this out earlier. What are you most excited for from the listener submissions? I'm excited for the 15 orange julieces that are in this mall. Apparently there's one of nine all those and I'm not sure what to expect. I've never been there, but more than anything, boys. Do they have the roller coaster? You got to do the roller coaster. Come on. So my mentions are hilarious right now. So that tweet, half of the people are telling me to leave, others are telling me to stay the night there, like you know, to else. And others are saying, check out the roller coaster. Apparently there's a pirate ship. So there's a lot going on. I'm not sure what to expect, boys. Isn't it the biggest mall in North America or something? It used to be. I think it's the mall of America's now, but still, you know, we're number three. We're number three. That's what they're chanting at the mall here in Edmonton, sure. Edmonton, and I guess the mall of America is in Minnesota or somewhere around in that area. Like, yeah, places you don't want to be outside. Just go to the biggest mall on the planet. That's, that's, that's the message. I feel I have to, I feel I have to describe or at least give a reason of why I'm going out there. There's an in studio interview for a radio station that's based out of West Edmonton mall. I'm not going out there. There's two shopping and get, you know, or in Julius and all that. So I want to clarify it. This is not how I send my days off. So, okay, Konoxika, a two one series lead, a lot of the discourses about what happened at the end of the game, Carson Susie getting a one game suspension, nothing for either McDavid or Hyman. And I'm okay. I thought McDavid was kind of a love tap on Carson Susie compared to whatever, everything else that happened. But surprise, there was, there was nothing for, for Zach Hyman, going after Nikita Zadora at the end of all that. What did you make of the situation and how punishments were levied out? Yeah, reach. I'm with you on that one. The Carson Susie suspension, like, listen, the justification that the league gave was that we understand the intent was not there, but still it's not a hockey play. And it's a play that is, you know, endangers the player, whatever you think of it. If that's your justification, that's fine. I'm willing to go ahead with the nine. I understand that. But by the same logic, Zach Hyman does something, which is very similar to Nikita Zadora. I would suspect that you would at least hit him with a fine there. So to me, some sort of discipline for Zach Hyman made sense. Connor McDavid, I get it. You know, we see flashes like that a lot in the playoffs. Maybe you can, maybe, you know, give a fine, but even if you give nothing there, I'm okay with that. But the Hyman went to me. If your logic is, that's a non hockey play or that's a play that is endangering a player. Well, doesn't that the same thing for Nikita Zadora? In that case, we ended up getting stitches. So I would have liked to see some sort of discipline for Zach Hyman because there's some inconsistencies within both rulings. Yeah. And I think that's the problem with the NHL. There's been so many inconsistent rulings and none of us really know what's going to happen next. But nonetheless, it is what it is, right? Like at this point, we all know what we think should have happened, right? And what is happening with the National Hockey League? And we know that Carson Soussey is going to be missing a pivotal game for with the Canucks. A massive chance here to take a 3-1 series lead. And there's been a lot of talk and chatter here going up the last little while about what would the Canucks and Ian Cole and how he's played in the back end. They want to know Julesin into the lineup. Well, now he's going to get his chance to play. And it's a big spot to see what Noah Julesin could do with Carson Soussey out now for game number four. For sure it is. And this is a guy that, you know, I thought we talked about the fair bit of when he simplifies his game. He's a player that has been, you know, trusted at the very least contributed throughout the season, but also raised the bar of internal competition. And the reason we were having those conversations about Ian Cole potentially sitting even in these playoffs was because Noah's jumped in there and done a decent job when needed. Now, it does change up the mix on your back end. You have to probably elevate Nikita Zodorov to play next to Tyler Myers. You move Ian Cole to the left-hand side and Noah Julesin coming in the right-hand side. But Noah's got to stick to what he's good at. And that's simple plays here, right? You got to protect the puck. You got to release it quickly, make the short passes that this team likes. And more than anything, you know, contribute on the PK, which is something that he's been doing well. And Carson Soussey is a key part of that. Play an aggressive style. Noah Julesin's not going to let up on that. But when he's got the puck, I think simplicity is the most important thing for Noah Julesin, where you know that this Edmonton team is going to be desperate. They're going to try to attack you, especially when that bottom pair has the puck. So, you have to make sure that you stick to what you're good at in that simplifying the game and moving the puck quickly. So, Elastlyn Holm, a couple of goals last night, throws the big hit on the first shift on Matiasak Holm. It's, you know, wild how different this player looks today than he did at any point during the regular season after getting acquired from the Calgary Flames. And I think it's coming at a massive time, Randy, because, you know, Patterson only plays 15 minutes last night or a little bit over 15 minutes. Doesn't play the last five minutes of the five minutes and change of the third period. You know, it's quite clear that Patterson's not going, but you don't notice it as much when Lindholm is going like this. And that's the beauty of having three centers that you can, on most nights, you know, believe it. And whether Patterson had games of progress or whether he's taken a step back, a life, Lindholm's rise in this lineup is giving Rick Talkett options. And guys, what I've really liked about his game. And I didn't really notice this in Calgary much because he was more of a finesse player, a two-way player, but still a finesse player with Johnny Gudero and Matthew Kuchar. Because that physicality you speak of to set the tone on the best defenseman that the Edmonton Oilers have, you know, two-way defenseman and lower the boom on him and Dakota Joshua follows up mere seconds later. That's something that is a level of, you know, just another side of a life Lindholm that we haven't seen. But even beyond that, you know, that ability to have a solid back check, provide the back pressure, allow Vancouver to play so well defensively in the neutral zone and his own end. I haven't got the face off yet, but he's been so excellent at that. But, you know, just his neutral zone play, I think it has been something that really gives Rick Talkett options and he gave him confidence. So imagine a role that the Canucks didn't pick up a life, Lindholm, and it was only a Leus Patterson and JT Miller is your one-two punch. You're probably searching for answers within your lineup with a live Lindholm. It just gives you a security blanket to say, hey, Patterson's going great. If not, we got this guy who can contribute in a few different ways. Well, and I think if you look at it, do you think there's any world if the if the Canucks don't have a Lindholm that a Leus Patterson doesn't play for the final 548 of the game last night? No, that that world doesn't exist. No, I mean, it tells us a couple things. One, of course, the positive one is how good Lindholm was last night, how much trust a coach has in the player. But the other one is also an indictment on where a Patterson's game is at, where the coach didn't feel like they needed him for the final six minutes to win this game. Totally. And it gives you so much flexibility in that sense that you're now in a situation where, you know, you're going to find out a lot about your players. And Lindholm, I think you've obviously got a sterling reputation. You don't get selfie votes a few years ago, just because you're not trusted in those situations. But you talk about those final five minutes, guys. I know we haven't talked about them yet, but you find out a lot about your players. But Leonis Carlson stepping into the lineup being trusted late in the game. I think there are there are some key words that we talk about a lot in the playoffs and trust is the big one, because you need you find out who you can trust in those final minutes. And I think with Lindholm, it's been there. Dakota Joshua throughout the season, of course, Jay Tim Miller is an absolute horse. But some of these younger players like Carlson stepping into the lineup showing the coach that even if it's 30 seconds at a time, they can be trusted. I think we're finding out something about this team and the individuals on this team. I don't know if Ogleander would get back in over Carlson for me. If you play like that, and if he makes the right decisions and if he's comfortable with the puck on his stick and shielding the puck, guys, that's like a really important part of this of all of the deficiencies that we might have seen in some of the other players games in game three. Linus Carlson knew the assignment. He understood the assignment and he played to it. So, you know, that word yet again, trust. Niels Ogleander hasn't had that and that's been reflected in the ice time. And Linus Carlson, the fact that he walks into that lineup, has been doing an excellent job in Abbotsford. And the coach says, you know what, I like your game so much and the way you're playing that I have confidence to be in the game, the final three minutes of the game. That speaks to, I'm with you. If Carlson plays like that, the key word there is trust. And I would be surprised that he if he's in this lineup for the rest of the series. One of the questions I've asked myself a number of times during the course of this playoff run for the Canucks. Where has this Tyler Myers been for the entirety of his Canucks career? Because he's looked like an entirely different player than we've seen him for the majority of his Vancouver tenure. Totally. And it's not only physically, I think physically, the Fencement understand they have a little bit more leeway. So, you know, maybe during the season, he's a bit of a gentle giant, so to speak, because if you overstep in the regular season, it's going to be called more often. And now what we're seeing with Tyler Myers is that physical play, that nastiness is you don't have to play kind of scared that you might put your team in a bad situation. And I think physically, that's what we're seeing with Tyler. He's just really leaning in. He's so comfortable playing that style. He hasn't always been that player when he was younger. You've seen more as a offensive player, had a little bit of edge. But I like the way he plays in the playoffs, because you can see he's so comfortable doing that. The other thing is, okay, in game three, maybe he makes a decision there that you're right in the neutral zone. But those types of decisions are few and far between guys. We're not seeing that sort of situation where he's making those decisions at a different time. So I like that from Tyler. I think that's a situation where you're really happy with the way he's played. His risk assessment is much better in the playoffs. And you know, you need that, you need that to be on point this time of the year. So I think he's made a real conscious effort to make sure that he doesn't put his team in a bad situation. He's been their best right shot defenseman in the playoffs. Yeah, I mean, he hasn't been, Verona hasn't been at the level. Like, I think he hasn't been, and now he hasn't been fine. But like, I don't know, if you're going to get $8 million next year, fine ain't good enough for me. That's kind of, yeah. And I do think he's playing through something because it's like you see his shot and his way, he's moving the puck and even handling the puck, the blue line, he was so good at doing it. He's just not not doing it as well. But but I do think when we watch how the Canucks played last game, and here's where game four to me is going to be so fascinating guys, because you would imagine Edmonton is going to be as desperate as they humanly as desperate as humanly possible, right? They might play their best game, so to speak. But there's still a lot of space for Vancouver to do things. And I thought when they held on to pucks last night, and we spoke about this on the post game show a bit Randy, but when they held on to pucks last night, they made plays. And when they decided to, you know, not panic and clear and actually make a play, they spent a lot of time in the offensive zone. And the play that was embodied the most was what Dakota Joshua did. He had the play where he took the puck all the way out of his own zone, dragged it all the way down to the Edmonton end and kind of pin the puck against the wall, allowed some four checkers to come and support him. They got a cycle going. He went and got off for a change. They stayed in the offensive zone for about 45, 50 seconds, a real good ship with a decent chance at the end of it. Those things are there and available for Vancouver. I just need to see them not be as panicked and as nervous, it seems like, and in these late game situations where they're just going glass and out and flipping everything up into the neutral zone, and even Quinn Hughes was a guy that was flipping a lot of pucks in the neutral zone last night from his own end. Oh, for sure. And you know, that flipping pucks out, whether it was icing, there was a couple of moments where even, I think halfway through, looking at the second period, the shots were very imbalanced. But, you know, at one point, if not mistaken, I think the shots on that period were 17 to one, which is even though a lot of them were low danger opportunities, they were in high danger opportunities, it's still you play with fire. But here's the thing, I think the word right now with the Vancouver Canucks game is patience, right? You talked about holding onto pucks and being cerebral when they need to, they have the patience right now, they have the confidence. And what I'm sensing from Edmonton right now, there's a there's no panic necessarily, but there's frustration of we've done all of these things from an offensive perspective. You've had Conor McDavid and Leon Drey's title, play almost 30 minutes, you know, even in that last game, they had a three minute 24 second shift. And you can't a beat archery shields. And I guess in Leon Drey's title's opinion, the post, but the fact of the matter is patience, I think is something that's a mantra that the Canucks have and say, hey, you might not have the finest of moments, you might have to relieve pressure by flipping the puck out, but they are confident in who they are, they're confident in their skin where I think the Edmonton Oilers, there's a little bit of self doubt, starting to creep in whether that's on a solving archer shield or B, even the guy behind them and Stuart Skinner to say, all right, we're starting to question ourselves a little bit. So, you know, even availability today, you could send some frustration of how do you score more? How do you get production from somebody outside of Conor McDavid and Drey's title? And really, I think the patience is maybe wearing thin on the Edmonton Oilers right now. Well, I don't think as a team that they are capable of playing great defense. And if you have a bad goalie or a goalie that's not making big saves, then you're going to be in tough. And it's obviously the opposite for Vancouver, where she loves has made a lot of big saves. And, you know, if you're if you're Chris Knoblock, sat and I talked about this in the opening segment, Randy, you know, running out McDavid and dry saddle for 30 minutes a night, it's not exactly a sustainable way of deploying your squad. Does he really have another choice? Like as long as they're stuck in close games against the Canucks or trailing games against the Canucks, like they have in games two and three, how do they like, what's is there a better way for him to deploy his roster when he clearly doesn't think he can get much out of anybody else or certainly his bottom six? Yeah, I don't think there is. I think he's got a the trust factor. We talk a lot about that from the Canucks and whether certain players are trusted in the playoffs. I think Chris Knoblock is in a very, you know, very similar situation where your bottom six, even though you might think there's more goals than any mention of Andrew Kane had 20 goals this year and Warren Fogel had 20 goals. But the issue is right now everything gets tougher. And can you break through the middle in the Canucks have done such a fantastic job five on five guys of limiting what they're giving up, even though they're being heavily outshot. I think dry settlement David really in, you know, at Coleman Bouchard on the ice with those guys is the best shot that they have. And that tells you something about, hey, you know, we've talked a lot about the depth of the Edmondton Oilers during the regular season. It's being tested right now and it doesn't look great. And the other thing is, you know, you mentioned that guys with goal tending, when you don't have the belief in your goaltender to make a save, which was the case last night. And I think those two Brock Besser goals are a classic example of, sure there's breakdowns on the play, but you need your goal tender to make you a save every now and then. And this team doesn't have that. This team didn't have that. And you couple both of those things together. You don't have much of a margin there. You have a very thin margins in those games. So I think I think this is an all blocks play. He's got to load up and he's got to hope that his guys can pull out a victory here. Otherwise, it's going to be difficult because that bottom six right now. I don't think there's much confidence in them producing. Well, and the difference for Vancouver is like when they trailed in game one, it's not like Rick Talkett abandoned the rest of his lineup. He may have shrunk the bench to go with about nine forwards in the third period. And guys like, you know, Hulk Lander and Lafferty did just epic didn't play as much in the third, but he still, he'll still run with nine guys, you know, but you look at the Edmonton Oilers shift chart last night. It's like final six minutes. It's five guys on the ice. And that's it. And that's why he has to pull, you know, make the goalie change to get an extra timeout, so to speak. And overall, why didn't make David play 13 minutes in the third period? Like, he doesn't have anybody else he can trust. And that's a huge advantage that Vancouver has. But he's got to be also very careful in the media on what he says, because he can't really light up your, the rest of your team. And no block, you know, he tried to do it with a positive reinforcement to say, Hey, our guys scored during the regular season. Connor McDavid was asked about that this morning as well. And he said, Hey, that's the coach's call and we'll play whenever our number is called. But that's a very real concern for this team, where you just don't have that face. So I do look at that and as the series goes longer, two things to watch guys, Leon dry settle, we know he's banged up playing that many minutes, eventually catches up to you if you're hurt. And if you're not hurt, like Connor McDavid after all, he's a he's superhuman, but he's still human, right? At some point, fatigue is a real factor. If you're playing that many minutes, it doesn't matter if you're the best player in the world, you're going to catch up to it. It's going to catch up to you at some point. Before we let you go, Silver and Black Canuck, we demand Randeep get on the pirate ship in the West Edmonton mall and take a selfie. I am literally outside the mall right now of a walk in. And I'm not gonna lie. It's a relic of the past. I felt like I've stepped into the 1986 right now. So why are you there again? Like, well, why? I'm doing a radio interview. There's a studio inside the Oh, right, there is right, right, right, right. So, you know, our friends at 1440, so I'm just going to swing by there and do it in studio. And yeah, otherwise that like, trust me, I'd be nowhere near. I'm guessing 490,000 square feet. They got to fill it with something. So I will, you know, on social media, give me a follow. If you don't already, I will provide as many updates as they can. But I'm not gonna lie. I'm not looking forward to this. All right. Enjoy it, Randeep. All right. Cheers, boys. Have a good one. There he is, Randeep Janda. Unbelievable Intel on the West Edmonton mall, according to our Dunbar Lumber text message inbox. Mall of America 520,000 square feet West Edmonton mall 490,000 square feet. They are the two largest. Yeah. Well, Mall of America is bigger. So. Yeah. Can't imagine what else you would do in Minnesota. No, I mean, maybe, maybe watch the twins. Man, watch the twins. I guess, Anthony Edwards is really fun to watch. Honestly, man, like if you guys like a human video game, like the highlights. What? I mean, you would imagine, but this isn't and one basketball. Well, you would imagine he'd be good considering he's Michael Jordan's son. Yes. Like those have been the rumors that we haven't denied by both Edwards and Michael Jordan that he is not in fact. But yeah, I mean, there are a lot of things there that cross intersect. I'm a Jimmy Butler. Yeah. Give me two. Was he Michael's son? How many sons does he have in the NBA? Also in Minnesota, you can go watch JJ McCarthy. Yeah. Yes, of course. Yes. That's the new Viking quarterback. Yeah. JJ. I like JJ McCarthy. JJ the JJ Josh is very excited about this. Yeah. I wasn't surprised that Silver and Black Canuck was the Raiders fan was one of the photo with the pirate ship. If you don't go to the wave pool, did you even go to West Edmonton Mall? I don't know. I have a phobia of public pools. Do you? Is that weird? Like what? What are you worried about? I'm getting sick. It's just too many people. Like many people. I can't. What about like, I can't do the kids pool. Like I'm just I'm sorry. Like I'd love to get a like a nice dip in in the summer on a hot day. It's just like littered with people. I can't do it. What about a hotel pool? It's a little better. A little better. But still like hesitant. He's afraid of the water. Give me the ocean over over a public pool. Can not clay on Twitter says there's also great bowling alley at West Edmonton Mall. Yeah. I mean, you know, clays kids are like really good boulders. Oh, yeah. Really good. Really good. I used to be a great baller. You used to be a great baller? No, it's not true. No. I was like, yeah, okay. This like you're great. You know, I used to be on the pins game. Pins game? Yeah. No, it's not true. What is the pins game? I should have just went along with the story. And then you guys would all thought I was like this. Yeah. This phenom bowler. But there's would have been like, hey, we should go bowling. Yeah. And then you would have been screwed. I don't know enough about bowling to fact check you on. Yeah. Oh, great. My five pin game, always better than the 10 pin game. You know what? The jokes. I'm just going to leave it there. All right. It's going to leave it there. Canucks playoff coverage on sports at 650 brought to you by Avenue Machinery and Douglas Lake equipment. Get your keys to an all-star collection of Kubota products at one of their six locations across BC this spring visit dleamc.com. Don Taylor, Donnie and Dolly going to join us next on Canucks Central. Hey, it's Mike Alford and Jason Bruff. Join us for Halford and Bruff in the morning weekdays from six to nine a.m. on sportsnet 650 or on demand anytime through your favorite podcast app. Man, the dumbbar lumber text message inbox is just wilding out right now. Steven and Langley. I see your tag. We see your text message about whales. Yeah. Yeah. So thanks to Steven and Langley. Now I will no longer own public pools or the ocean. It's just everything's ruined for me. The gist of it was the pool is cleaner than the ocean because a lot of stuff happens in the ocean, apparently. Yes. Animals live in the ocean. Yes. Thank you for the reminder. And we have tons of texts about malls, like the mall, the mall of Asia Manila is five million square feet and the mega mall is 1.5 million square feet. And somebody texted him, Travis and Grant Hurry saying the owners of the wall of West Edmonton mall and the mall of America are the same brothers. Oh, and they both have, they both can stake a claim to their malls being the biggest malls individually because of different ways to count the square footage and businesses and so on. Okay. Well, the more you learn, the more you talk about West Edmonton mall, the more you learn about it. The more you know, we've had people that recommend don't don't don't use the rides at the West Edmonton mall. Just just as a safety concern. I believe they've actually shut down the roller coaster according to some of these texts as well. Let's bring in our next guest here on Cadoc Central. It's Don Taylor. He has a presentation of Bassant Motors. He joins us every Monday here on Cadoc Central. How well do you know the West Edmonton mall, Donnie? I think I've been there twice. I lived in Red Deer for a couple of years. So I went there once and then one other time for some hockey tournament. But here's the thing that, you know, as much as people want to poke fun at it, I remember one time we just thought, let's just do something different. I got relatives in Northern Alberta. Let's do something different with the kids for a holiday and go to West Edmonton mall and visit the relatives. There's hotels there, you know, in the mall. And, you know, when the rides and things to do for the kids, it sounds like a good idea. And it'll be cheaper than Mexico, Hawaii. So we look into it. It's more expensive than and then Mexico, Hawaii, or at least more expensive than Mexico. So off to, you know, port of the yard, we went. I was shocked. And it was for whatever reason. I guess there's a lot of people who want to stay at the West Edmonton mall. So to hats off, it seems like it's lasted a long time. It seems like a pretty good business. Yeah. I mean, hey, you know what? Whatever can inspire your economy and keep things going, I suppose, is a good thing. But I find that the two best places in Alberta are Jasper and Banff. Oh, yeah. Like, easily, like with a bull. Yeah. You stay in the office. Yeah. Really? That's a real reach. No. Real hot take there, sat. Yeah. Thanks for that. Appreciate it. Yeah. And Hawaii is the best state with palm trees. Very good. Yes. Here's the thing with the West Edmonton mall. If you want to see the ultimate, if you want to get a good idea what West Edmonton mall is about, one of my favorite cult movies, not even the first one, the second one, who bar two? There's a lot of West. I've got a few guys who've seen it. It's a very Canadian movie. Yes. Very Canadian. Yes. There's a whole scene, well, more than one scene in West Edmonton mall, the guys work in Fort McMurray. So they're big, the big deal with your time off is you go to West Edmonton mall and it's really Canadian. It's really funny. I recommend it highly. I think we've spent enough time on the West Edmonton mall for I think we've covered all the destinations in Alberta in the last four minutes. There are us there today and there's nothing else to do. We mentioned Jasper Banff and the West Edmonton mall. I think we got all bases covered. Not much else to do there in Alberta. Or maybe watch the Canucks on another hockey mall. We just, because I do appreciate Alberta, to be honest, for the most part. No, I lived there and I loved it. It was definitely different, but I really liked it. It was culturally different, but I enjoyed it a lot. I'd go Jasper Banff tied for first place. Thanks, guys. So the only, I don't know, there's no segue here, but the Edmonton Oilers were struggling through this series so far with the Canucks. Up to one, obviously Vancouver gets the win last night. A lot of people talking about the goaltending and sure, she loves making more saves than Stuart Skinner right now is a big part of the storyline. But I also think a major part of the storyline is how little Chris Knoblock trusts the rest of his lineup that isn't his top five players. I mean, playing those guys 30 minutes a night, just to try to grind out a victory. I mean, he himself said it's not exactly a sustainable way of deploying his squad. How do you think this series develops from here? And do you think Knoblock just continues to run his guys out there as much as he can? Well, there's a sense of desperation and frustration with the Oilers right now. And you can see that and you look at Bryce settled post game interview and, you know, he clearly feels that the Latvian kid is lucky right now and that there are a whole lot of goalposts and that has everything to do with luck and to some extent it does. But I think to me, the takeaway is not so much, you know, the luck that may or may not be involved with which she loves. It's that dry sell and the other Oilers and Stella but gave it was up to the end of the game. They're clearly frustrated. They're there. There's frustration and then, you know, the desperation, you've got these two big guns and you're playing them or you're playing, maybe overplaying them. So if that continues, it means that they're behind and that's a good thing for the Vancouver Canucks. I just have to believe that somewhere along the line, the amount of shots and attempts because the Canucks are being outshot by quite a wide margin and outattempted by believe even wider margin. So I just think that might catch up to them, but it's just so even and entertaining right now. If it goes six or seven, I will okay with that. It's just a lot of fun. Well, it is. And you know, seeing the fan bases going at each other is great too, but the atmospheres of the arena seems to be terrific in Edmonton as well. It's been fantastic in Vancouver and Edmonton. It looks to be pretty fun at least. I mean, they didn't enjoy losing the game last night, but seems to be pretty good vibe about Roger's place in Edmonton. But, you know, to your point about the frustration angle, that's a thing that has me, if I'm an Edmonton fan, mostly concerned and bigger picture too. Like, forget about beating the Vancouver Canucks. But like, if you got to play 30 minutes a game for your top three players just to be able to compete with Vancouver around too. And with this goal tending, I think it's pretty safe to say they're not going to win this Stanley Cup this season, like they're probably not going to be able to hang. So I think that frustration is probably a bit of a sign of that. And to be this frustrated in Game 3 is usually not a good sign in a playoff series. No, because it's pretty early in the series. And you're already that frustrated with the team that is not going to just let you real skate around and score goals at Wella with a goal tended that's surprising you and frustrating you. And like I say, if you're if if they gave it a dry side of blue shark, whomever are playing that much, it means they're behind. It means they're frustrated and they're desperate. And again, that's a good sign. The Canucks are really getting getting to the others. They're they're really frustrated. And again, I don't know if this lasts, but it sure looks good for the Canucks right now. They look like they look like the more experienced playoff team. And they're not. And think about what they're doing right now with a third string goal tender. That's with all due respect. I'm that's not an opinion. That's that's a fact. He's a third string goal tender. And without Elias Pedersen producing like most people feel he should nobody would have guessed that. And that's got to be part of the frustration for the Oilers is that they're getting beaten by a team with a third string goalie at a star center who's not producing. And it's it's looking pretty good for Vancouver right now. Well, I think, you know, to your point, Vancouver looking like the veteran team, I think it's Edmonton also being burdened by so many disappointments the previous years. And and now you're sitting here in the same playoff situation with the similar storylines where you don't have enough depth scoring goaltending seems to be a problem. The issues are rearing their ugly heads yet again. And you kind of get into those situations. We've seen an improvement when a court kind of gets stale a little bit and you get used to having disappointments and it gets into a mental block almost where you can see the same things happening again. And I wonder if that's kind of something going on in Edmonton too, where they're not just fighting Vancouver. They're almost kind of fighting the ghosts of the past years as well at the same time. Well, that's that that made up for the BAM Jasper. Inspired me, Donnie. Yeah. In my opinion, it was a, you know, an excellent job there. Well, we talk about playoff experience, but in the McDavid era, I think I've got this right. The Oilers have won only, and I say only with all due respect as the Canucks might take this, but they've won five playoff series. I believe three of them are series wins against the LA Kings in the first round. So like how much playoff experience is there really with the Edmonton? I realize they went to a conference final fairly recently. There's that, but there hasn't been a whole lot else. So yeah, you're right. They must be really frustrated. And I think sat to your point, the major part of the frustration, I would think deep, deep down, is that there's been this gold candy question for so long. And there's been so many bodies there to the point where you've got a five million dollar a year player eating popcorn in, in media row. So it's got to be really, really frustrating. I don't think they'd admit it, but deep, deep down. The same thing is happening. It seems to be happening again. Even they're on to round two, but the Lucy to a team that is an underdog, it's got to be really, really frustrated there. They're psyche right now. Just seems really, really fragile. And that's a good thing for the Canucks. Yeah, and the Canucks have really taken advantage of that. Now, honestly, as Patterson, not that I wanted to dwell too much, there are a lot of good stories to talk about. But it's kind of at the point where, okay, Lynn Holmes going the way that he is, like what could the Canucks accomplish in these playoffs if, if Patterson finds his game to the level that we know he can get to? Because, you know, he plays 15 and change last night, didn't play the last five minutes of the third. It's clear he's, he's not trusted in a way that we'd expect to be as Patterson to be trusted. But it makes you kind of wonder, like, if he does get going with Lynn home play in the way that he is, you know, Canucks could not only do damage here, but, you know, continue to do damage. There, there are just moments when I watch him play, where I think he looks, he looks fearful. And I think that to me speaks to an injury. And so that leads to the question of why haven't they rested him? So I don't know anything. Rick doesn't know anything. He hasn't heard anything as well. It's speculation. You know, we hear dribs and drabs and that's it. I just think there's, there's more there. And part of the reason I say that, and again, this is just, you know, putting two and two together. Patrick Al Veen and Jim Rutherford have made very few long moves. This was such a major move. I just got to believe that they, and people can talk all they want about how this goes far back. It's not just the playoffs, but I just got to believe there's something there health-wise that these guys, you know, know what they're doing to sign a contract. But that's just a massive contract, both in terms of money and in terms of term. I just have to ask, I have to think that the way things are going right now, that his struggles. He's a third-line center right now. His struggles have to do with health that we'll find out after the playoffs. But again, why wasn't he rested early? And that's a, earlier, and that's a question for another day. Yeah, absolutely. And I think as far as contributions, I mean, we've spoken a lot about what Elias Lindholm has done and, you know, him, him being as good as he has been, especially with Patterson, that being at the top of his game, has been an absolute godsend for this team. But also what we're seeing from Brock Besser here in these playoffs, Donnie. I mean, we had questions, so many questions about where is Brock Besser's future going to be? Is it going to be Vancouver? And what is his potential? Is he ever going to be a 30 goal score? Forget 40. Can he get the 30? And this year he got 40 and cooled off towards the end of the season. But in the playoffs, he's been money. I mean, it looked like he had a hat trick last night and was taken away. And then he almost got his hat trick. And when Neil's almost set him up for that empty net chance almost on the three on one and the third, but he's been dynamite and even better than any of us could have ever expected at this stage in the playoffs, even. Yeah, seven goals for assist. He's tied with Miller for the Canucks playoff scoring lead. And I think the thing with Besser is for me anyway, and I noticed this for a long, long time that when he first came into the National Hockey League, it was all about his shot. It was wonderful. And then the injury started to pile up and, you know, arm back. And the shot didn't seem to be there like it was in the past. But every once in a while, you see it, you see it rear itself like we did last night on the Lindolm tip. But the thing is with him is, I don't think he gets enough credit for what he does along the boards. He's not a small guy. There's a stockiness about him. And also the way he thinks the game. He's a really good passer. He's developed into a really good passer. And the other thing that I don't think anybody saw coming is that he's getting Rick Talkett is putting faith in him with a with a small lead with a one goal lead late in playoff games. Did anybody see that coming? I mean, he is really, really rounded out his game. And I think I have to think a lot of it has to do with just himself driving himself after a tough season, but also with the coaching staff as well. And I, I think that, you know, the same can be said of what the coaching staff has done with some of the defenseman. I mean, I'm getting off subject here, but the draw off looks like a way better defenseman with Vancouver than he did in Calgary. He was good there, but he looks great here. Yeah. And even Tyler Myers playing his, his best hockey as a as a canuck in his entire tenure. Right? I mean, a lot of these guys, Jim Rutherford and Patrick Levine talked about it when they first took over the job. Like, if we get some structure in place, we think a lot of these players will look a lot better. And that certainly happened, you know, even, even look at JT Miller 12 months ago, people were like, this guy can't play center. He's a terrible defense defensive center. You have to, you have to find another sentiment. This guy can't play it. He's got to, got to get moved back to the wing. If you want the best JT Miller, he's got to play the wing. And last night, you know, hockey night in Canada panels like, why didn't this guy get more selkie votes? It's like, what, what a difference of opinion on, on a player. And I think a lot of it comes down to, not to diminish the, you know, the work of the players, but I think the system that Tockett's put in place, the buy-in that they're getting, it's, it's making a lot of players look, you know, a lot better than, than they had been in the past. Well, here's, here's when I think players play their best. And that's when they're having fun. And, and I know that sounds really simplistic and very minor hockey-ish. But I, I think JT Miller has seen the light when it comes to playing defensive hockey, especially at this time of year, and that shutting down somebody like Conor McDavid. And I believe Miller didn't have any shots on goal last night. So you guys can correct me if I, if I'm wrong. But I think he finds this fun. I think he finds it just, just listening to his interviews and hearing him talk about what, you know, about what he's doing defensively, I think he finds it a whole lot of fun to shut down the best player on the, on the planet and to be up to one in a series like this. And, you know, like, he had his chance with the Rangers and, and, and it sounded like a final with a great team, like, like Tampa Bay turned out to be after he left. And this is his opportunity. And he knows that is the best way for him to contribute is, and he's the guy, he's the guy that can do it to shut down, to shut down Conor McDavid. And when he's not doing that, Linholm is, is doing it. So it's really impressive. But I think I think Miller is maybe even surprisingly to himself, having fun playing great defensive hockey at the most important time of year against the best player on the planet. As far as the Canucks net mining goes, Arthur Shilab has been terrific. Six games now for the Canucks in the playoffs. He's won four of those games. And he's to 2.6, 2.6, five goals against average, and a 908 save percentage in the postseason. And yeah, he's given up a few goals against Edmonton made a number of big saves. One of the big topics, a conversation in Edmonton, you heard dry side all say, you know, hitting a post is not good goaltending. It's neither good shooting either if you want to be specific about it. But also, we heard the coach mentioned knob lock that they had some chances to hit a few posts that a couple pucks were loose behind them that they didn't convert on. And all those things are true. But at the same time, she loves was very good. But can you see kind of what Edmonton is meaning to that? Hey, as good as that net minor may have been, like we had a lot of chances we didn't score on. So could their offense perhaps be a bit closer to exploding or can Shilab still be up to the task? It wouldn't surprise me if it did explode. I mean, we're talking about a rookie gold hitter here, but there just seems to be something magical about it. You know, and we're talking about a rookie goaltender against the really high powered offense led by a really high powered power play. You would think it's just just a matter of time. But like with every player on this team and with the team as a whole, there just seems to be a resiliency with the she loves that he just seems to be in the right place at the right time. And yeah, you know, he gets he gets beat and the goal post help him out. But there's, you know, unlike Skinner, there's doesn't seem to be any holes anywhere else except to the outside where Skinner pucks are going through him. And that's so far, I think, has been the difference in the two gold counters. But it just seems to be something special about him. And you know, guys, it's kind of funny as I get off the subject to get kind of, but sticking with Shilab's here and look, Hyman got away with something at the end of the game. Same with McDavid. Okay. And they go without suspensions. The Canucks are going to move on from that take the one game suspension to Susie. And you just know that they're going to focus on winning winning the next game. Now, also, she lost got away with the penalty that I haven't heard anybody talk about today, but I'm holding Derek Ryan stick. I mean, that thing was going to go in the net. I don't know if you guys remember that veteran move veteran, buddy, young boy, the toll veteran move. And first of all, if you would have taken that penalty, he would have taken that penalty would have said, fine, great, it is score. But not only did he, you know, did he come up with something that should have been penalized, he got away with it. And they didn't score. I mean, it was perfect. And he's been, he's been really good. That was a veteran move. Very veteran move, just in the moment to like be like, Hey, I got no other choice. I'm going to hold this guy's stick. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just whatever works in, if it ends up in two minutes, that's fine. Maybe they don't score on department. But in the meantime, that you say it's saved the goal. And and you probably do it again. The thing about a dry side was comment, though, a post is not good goal tending. It's like, well, it's it's not good shooting either, Leon, you know, means you missed the net. Yeah. Donnie, you're the best. I always appreciate the time. Anytime guys want lots of fun. This has just been, this has just been great. This conversation and the playoff series, it's just I'm happy for Bank of Defense to be able to enjoy something like this at this time of year, but the decent weather, it's just really, really special. It really, it really improved after Sats take of Banff and Jasper. It really did. Yeah, exactly. You know, I know I can make my holiday party, but I know where I'm going. Yeah. Thanks, Donnie. Okay. Appreciate it. There is Don Taylor, Donnie and Dolly intended to do it on check TV and on Sports at 650. He's brought to you by Basot Motors, powering the playoff drive home of over 400 pre-owned vehicles and where the players go. Yeah. I mean, Jasper is really nice, though. I got to say. I've never been. Jasper is terrific. You guys to get to see mountain goats and stuff. Mountain goats. Yeah, like goats everywhere. Like the traffic stops all the time for the goats. I've been to the place on Vancouver Island where there's goats on a roof. Reach wouldn't go to Jasper because he doesn't like camping. All right. Is that all you doing in Jasper? Is that like a fancy hotel you can stay at? There's a nice hotel. There's like, I mean, if you're into skiing and snowboarding, it's terrific. I'm sure. I probably golfed there. Can I golf there? Jasper's got some good golf. That's more of a Banff thing. Yeah, I might be wrong. I don't know. Wasn't the Bachelor just in Banff or something? I think I saw. Were they? Maybe. We're just stealing all the nice Canadian spots. Very Instagrammable. That is Don Taylor joining us here on Canucks Central. I still can't believe the amount of West Edmonton Mall takes. A lot of details on West Edmonton Mall. Yeah. Apparently, the roller coaster that was in there was the same roller coaster that was at Expo 86. Oh, okay. Expo 86. According to one of our textures. I mean, you could say literally anything about the West Edmonton Mall, and I would believe it right now. Yeah. I would not discount anything you have to say. I mean, Trucker Bruce did text in and say, "Do not go to do not take the don't use." Yep. Like the roller coaster is very dangerous. He's seeing people, you know, being bad shape afterwards. So maybe avoid, if you can. Yeah. Don't ride the rides at the mall. Oh, we also got a shout out for Drumheller. So if we're talking about good spots in Alberta, Drumheller is one that's being texted in as well. So shout out to Drumheller. All right. I've been to Edmonton once, and I was like, "You know what? Don't see a reason why I would come back." Yeah. Well, the cool thing about Drumheller is like all the dinosaur, like museum and stuff they have. So if you're into that sort of stuff, that might be interesting. I just watched Jurassic Park. Seems like a better way to go about it. Rager text. You guys should go to the spot and Langley where peacocks run the neighbourhood. I've heard about this. Is this true? Has anybody been there? Do you just like drive around these peacocks or like, I haven't seen that for everybody? I have seen that. I have seen that area. It's actually pretty cool. Those are stopping to build nowhere and just be like, you know, doing the little peacock dance. They're like Mark Wahlberg. I'm a peacock. I'm going to let me fly. Oh, I'll also shout out to Lake Louise. See, don't tell us that we don't give Alberta any shine here on this show. Here's how ignorant I am. Like Banff, Jasper, and Lake Louise may as well may as well be the same place. Dakota told you they're the same place. Different names you would have believed me. Yeah. They may as well all be the same place to me. They look the same on Instagram. It's Dan Riccio and Satyarsha. All right. Coming up. More on the Canucks and more on the playoffs as we continue here on Sportsnet 650. Canucks playoff coverage on Sportsnet 650. Brought to you by Kintec, Canada's favourite orthotics provider, powered by thousands of five-star Google reviews. Sore feet. What are you waiting for? You're listening to to Conoc Central on Sports at 650.
