This is the Canucks Central Post Game Show. I'm the net for Garland, left wing side. Feeds the line for Zidorov, shot bounced off a skate. Comes to Garland, high spot, throws it to the goal, he scores. Cutter, Garland fires it. Gluffs side, pass Cal Pickard with a great screen in front from Dakota Joshua, and the Canucks make it a one goal game. It's two to one. To Hughes, back to Besser, left wing, shoots the score. Brad Besser got it to the goal. It finds it's way past Cal Pickard, and the comeback Canucks have done it again. It's two to with 141 left in the third. With instant reaction from the players and coaches. Kane right corner, gets it behind the net. Dry side, I'll stick handling down low, high slot, who's shard, shoots the score. [MUSIC PLAYING] [CHEERING] Evan Besser threw it to the net. He'd found it's way past Archer's she-lumps. And the Oilers lead again three to two with 38 seconds left. Have your say on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650, and the Sportsnet Radio Network. Canucks, lose a heartbreaker, dying seconds. Three, two lost in Edmonton. Series now tied at two games apiece, and this is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks. Sportsnet 650, Satyar Shah with Bick Nazar and Brett Festerling. We are going to bring in Randy Jannah into the conversation in just a moment. As always, get your thoughts into our Dunbar Lumber Texanem box, 650, 650. You can also grab a phone line, 604, 280, 0650 or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. It was a Leon Drey's title opening up the scoring on the power play. Ryan Newton Hopkins made it to nothing late in the second period, then Connor Garland made it a one goal game, and the final two minutes. Brock Besser tied it. We thought we're going to overtime. And then Evan Bouchard, a bit of a seeing eye shot through a little bit of traffic, squeezes through. Archer's she-lumps perhaps is only misstep of the evening, comes in the final 40 seconds, gets through him just a little bit. And the next thing you know, it's a 3-2 final for Edmonton. But before we bring Randy Ben, there is a little bit of controversy. Now, there was no challenge. There was no review. But was there a high stick on that play before the puck got into the net on the same sequence? Well, hang on. In the final minute of play, in the third and any point in overtime, these are league-initiated challenges. But was it knocked down on a clearing attempt by Connor Garland by Leon Drey's title? It is really close to tell. And I don't have a definitive look here for you. But just that is the initial impression. It was a clear out by Garland knocked down by Drey's title on a high stick. It's just off the TV copy. Very, very difficult to tell. Yeah, it's tough to tell a bit of a borderline call. They're a Brett, too, right? Like you see it. I mean, it's one of those that maybe the ref calls it, you know, ices it on the play. Or if not, it looks kind of borderline. Usually those borderline ones, they don't get overturned. We saw it. It was against, uh, it was against Dallas, wasn't it? Marchman with that heist was, or say again, I forget which one was one of those against Dallas. Same thing was borderline. It looked like it may have been, but they'll kind of just err on the side on the call on the ice. Maybe it stands, but a close call nonetheless. It's so close. It's so close. I mean, I think when it comes down to talking in the locker room, they're going to say, hey, we got to bear down and get that out. Yeah. That's what it comes down to. You know, I mean, I'll give dries up a credit for getting it knocked down. And then actually, I don't know who the D-man is. It was dry so I was doing it all. Yeah. So yeah, man, what a hard breaker. That's so close. Hey, listen, the first goal happens in the game because Ian Cole couldn't get a clear, led to JT taking interference call. No jules and steps up at the blue line on Ryan Nugent's goal. And this one here, you don't get to puck out. You know, no cars are Susie tonight. Kind of missed them. Kind of missed them here. Let's bring in Randy Janet into the conversation. And Randy, if you guys were there in Edmonton calling the game and looked like, hey, we're going to overtime. And then out of nowhere, Edmonton takes the victory. Boy, is what a roller coaster ride. That was something it felt like for 40 minutes, the Canucks didn't really have anything other than, you know, especially in the middle of the ice. And then late in the third period, they get back in this game yet again, two goal deficit. And in the final seconds, you get that shot through. There's a little bit of traffic in front of Shilov's. But, you know, that was a heck of a response by the Edmonton Oilers on that shift to come in with a heavy forecheck. But for 40 minutes, the Canucks were unable to generate through the middle of the ice. And, you know, for good stretches, were hemmed in their own zone. So I think they're going to go back at this. And you guys were talking about maybe a lack of composure in those certain segments of the game, whether it was the E and Cole not being able to get a clear earlier on in the game, led to the penalty. Or later on here, where they had a couple of chances to clear, that's something that they'll probably be kicking themselves after this game. But short term memory, boys, you got to go back to Vancouver. You got to win the next one. And just really quickly, Randy, we're getting a replay of the dry cycle high stick that we're talking about here. It's a slow down version of just the usual TV angle. Did you see another angle that maybe shows if it was high sticking your knot on dry settle on the winning goal? I'm seeing that right now. And it seems pretty borderline. It's right on the cusp of, like, it's around the shoulder level. So, yeah, it's definitely one to look at. Conclusively, I can't really say that right now. But it's something that is close. And we've seen this before. Guys, earlier on this year, I forget what game it was in a Canucks game. And it was a call that everybody thought it was a high stick. And it ended up going back. It wasn't called that. This one kind of reminds me of that. So it's definitely on the line real time. They didn't call it. And fortunately for the Canucks, it's something that will be up for debate. I'm sure in the post game show. But, yeah, it's right on that line to me. Might be above it. Yeah, I'm looking at this right now. And it's very close, very close. It's a very close call. I'm not sure they would overturn that or not. But nonetheless, it's one of those things that, hey, people are already noticing it. And overall, though, when you look at how the Canucks played this game, in some ways, you can look at it. They were kind of fortunate to even be within a goal late. Garland scored to make it a one goal game. They end up tying it going late. I mean, hey, I know they lost here. And it's heartbreaking the way they lost the game. But this was not one of their better showings in the series, either, though. No, you give yourself a chance because of the late game heroics. But as I mentioned, 40 minutes prior to that, guys, I added here, I think it was eight, one high danger chances, five on five for the Edmonton Oilers. Like, even though they had more possession time. And I thought the second period, the way they started to move the puck quicker up the ice, the way that they're being aggressive in the neutral zone, they did a better job than the first period. But even despite all of that, even more zone time, they only had one high danger chance through 40 minutes. So they didn't make life difficult enough for Pickard. And that zone time that they did have, it wasn't generating. I think you got to credit a couple of things there. Edmonton did a pretty decent job in the second period to block shots, really not give Vancouver the middle of the ice. But I think Vancouver wasn't playing their game for definitely the first 20 minutes of this game. And even in through parts, they just weren't able to get to that dangerous part of the ice, which you need to score goals much better in the third period. But as we know, one team is really up their game. And the other one in the third period, when you have a two goal lead, yeah, you take your foot off the gas a little bit. I thought Vancouver played so much better than the third. But guys, you have to have to bring that in the 40 minutes. And Edmonton was winning a lot more puck battles, especially in the first period. Some of the usage tonight, guys, I'm kind of curious about. So tonight, Leah's Pedersen ends with 1936. J.T. Miller ends with 19 minutes. Elias Lindholm gets 18.08. You're chasing the game here late, Brett. And we just saw the other night. McDavid-- I'm not saying you got to play these guys 29 minutes, but that's really low. And we even saw, like, Oman out there with about three minutes to go. And McKay, I vote there with three minutes to go. I'm just kind of curious what Rick Tockett's line of thinking here is when you're chasing the game. Yeah. And I'm not going to act like I'm an NHL coach here. But from my experience on the bench, you think-- I'm on the bench because I'm not out there trying to square goals. But you don't want to mean? Yeah, Oman with three minutes left, I would have expected maybe to shorten it a bit. I'm sorry, it was Carlson out, Oman. But never the best game. Yeah, but Oman was out there. And Carlson, I mean, I mentioned to you at the 10 minute mark when those guys were out there, hey, I think it's time to shorten the bench. And we still saw that through into kind of three minutes left. They do tie it up though. So like, you know, as much as you want to pick it apart, they do tie it up. And then just unfortunate. And a good play back home to actually keep that gap and do it. If you want to nitpick a video, you might say Miller's got to be a foot under him as well, right? That gives you the second chance to get it out. It's just a game of inches. And they lost those inches tonight. They did. And I thought guys, you know, I mentioned a bit earlier, but they really missed Carson Susie tonight. You know, and I think it really showed in those situations because you have cold out there playing with Myers. You have Susie with Myers. Maybe, you know, you get the clear, for instance, right? Jules is not playing. He doesn't step up and get caught on that. And, you know, who knows if Susie plays a butterfly effect, could have been a completely different outcome anyways, if things could have happened. But it's easy to look at some of the breakdowns and what happened. And if Susie was there for the usage, maybe those breakdowns wouldn't be the same outcome. For sure. And guys, I also think about, you know, those key moments. And for three games, for the most part, Vancouver won a lot of the key moments in a game, right? Where, sure, maybe the rink is tilted a little bit. But in those moments, you have your composure. You come back and win games. You get good goal tending to defense tonight. In those moments, whether it was the power play goal and what led to that power play to begin with. Or, you know, that 2-0 goal is a real backbreaker because you go into the second period. If you're still down 1-0, you're like, all right, we're in this. And we haven't played our best game yet. But you dive into the neutral zone with Noah Julesen. And that's just one that Noah knows better. He's, you know, looking for that hit there. But it's not the first time that's happened to him. So that's one that really, I think, really hurts you. But Carson Susie, yeah, he's one of those guys that you don't even notice on the ice sometimes. Sometimes when he's able to take an extra second to peel off, win a battle, and just have that composure. Yeah, they missed him today. And, you know, that length in transition as well, guys. So I think, you know, the good thing is he's back next game. But there was a couple of key moments in this game that Vancouver lost. And in the end, that hurts you. She loves. OK, maybe the third goal will touch on it. Can he squeeze that one a bit better or parry that away? But the confidence, the young lad, to chase out that puck, push it away for a van der Kain. I know, again, the third goal we'll talk about it. But I think he had to have a strong game, Randy. Oh, yeah. That was brave goaltening there, where you've got a player coming, you know, on that right-hand side. He gets out there, poke checks. And even before that, guys, remember those two saves. One, the left pad save he makes on Zach Hyman, as Hyman kind of turns and tries to tuck it in. And she loves his in full stretch to make that save. And even before that, there's another puck that looked like it might get behind him. And he continues to battle. So I think he gave his team an opportunity to win this game. Remember, those saves were at 2-0. Give us the guys confidence. They come back the other way. They tie it up. The third goal, as you mentioned, of course, something that you probably want him to get a bit of a piece on it. You want him to stop that. But I think the fact that they were in the game is thanks to Archer She-Loves, where he made a couple of huge saves when the game was 2-0. Yeah, huge. He stops the one with his skate blade, which is incredible, right? And then Hyman does that kind of rap movement in front. And he's able to get that crazy. I think one of our biggest cheers for the night was when he came out of the net and chased on the puck. Yeah, the camera was panning over. And I thought, is he going to come out for this? I'm like, do it, She-Loves. And then as soon as it gets, you can see him. He's on his giddy up, and he just gets there. Yeah, that was a good moment. And then the last goal, I think he can squeeze it. Yeah, but you do have three Canucks, kind of in his eyes, right? I think he doesn't pick that up till halfway there. And that probably, you know, it gives him-- it's just late to pick it up, because it's so close to him by the time he sees it. Randy, great stuff, man. We look forward to seeing you back in Vancouver. Game five, Thursday. Rodgers, Arena, series tied to two games apiece. We thought this would be a long one. And that's what it looks like we're getting. So look forward to seeing you back in town. Absolutely, looking forward to guys. And this arena was really loud, so I'm going to challenge the folks in Vancouver make Rodgers Arena very, very loud when we get back, because we know we can do it. I've been watching the viewing parties here from Edmonton. It's a rowdy barn, even when the team's not there. Let's make it more rowdy when we get back for game five. Yeah, well said, Randy. Great stuff, man. Cheers. Keep your thoughts coming in for a Dunbar Lumber text unbox. 650, 650. You can also grab a phone line, 604-280-0650 or toll-free, 1-888-275-0650. We are going to get to your reaction. We're here from the head coach as well. A lot of text coming in. This one here says our power play was useless. That's an unsigned text. And if you want to look at not taking advantage, the Canucks had three power plays, including a double minor in the first period. And it's not just that they didn't capitalize. It sucked any momentum they had, because it was absolutely dreadful, that barely got set up and barely generated anything of quality for six minutes. Look, there's going to be a lot of discussions about the goals against. Obviously, the Juleson moment there and the third goal. But when we're doing the post-mortem of this game, what are the reasons the Canucks didn't come up victorious? That four-minute power play in the first. There's no way that can't be a talking point of why the Canucks were unable to get a lead in this game. There was such a buildup for this game, right? Emminton's going to come. They're emotional. Are they going to go after Zadorov and all this? You knew they were going to come in the first period. And they did. But then we do have those opportunities with those three power plays. And right there, with you can swing the momentum back in your favor. You can take it over. You can put them in the heels. That, to me, is a huge key in this game of why they came out on the bottom. And it's not just that they didn't score set, is it looked remarkably ineffective. Yeah. Yeah, momentum sucker. Yeah, it really was. It really did. All right, listen, keep your thoughts coming in. We are going to get to your text and your phone calls. And we are going to hear from the Canucks head coach. But we'll do it that after the break. You are listening to the Canucks Central Post game show. Canucks lose 3-2. Series now tied at two games apiece against Edmonton. It's Sat, Brett, and Vic. And this is the Canucks Central Post game show presented by the number five orange of Vancouver legend. They've got sports two more next. And the home of your Canucks sports net, 650. It's Canucks Central with Dan Reicho and Sati Arshah. Your destination for everything Canucks. Exclusive interviews, inside info, and even the post game show. Listen 4 to 6 p.m. weekdays. And on demand through your favorite podcast app. This is where you talk Canucks. You're listening to the Canucks Central Post game show on the official home of the Canucks. Sports net, 650. And the Sports net radio network. Here's Dreysoidal right wing. Drops near Circle of Andrew Kane. Try to shot, blocked by Elias Lindholm. Kane right corner. Gets it behind the net. Dreysoidal, stick handling down low. High slots, Bouchard shoots, they score. Evan Bouchard threw it to the net. It found its way past Archer's she loves. And the Oilers lead again three to two with 38 seconds left. A quick response by the Edmonton Oilers. As Evan Bouchard gets the puck in the middle of the ice, he gets the shot off. And ends up going straight through the middle of the ice. As Edmonton has heavy pressure for an a physical game there. And it beats she loves, loves side. Canucks lose 3-2 back breaking goal late in the third period after the Canucks had tied the game a 2. There are now two goals in this game tied it a 2. But let's get the thoughts of the Canucks head coach here he is at the podium, Rick Talkett. Guys, we just like that kind of disappointed because there's just too many soft plays on that goal. It's like four or five mistakes. It's got to, you know, got to dig in there. I thought we had four or five guys make mistakes on that goal. You know, you can't do that. With how your club played tonight, I'm sure you would have liked a game where you maybe had the puck a little more, maybe defended a little bit less, even if you're happy with your play from the blue line in. But what does it say about your group that you're able to be off for much of an evening and then still find a way late? Yeah, we've been a resilient group all year. But we need five or six guys that get going here. I mean, it's the Stanley Cup playoffs. I had some guys I don't know if they thought it was the playoffs. So we can't play with 12 guys. So we got to figure out how quick it's 2-2. Obviously, it's a tough one. I mean, they came to play. They wanted it more early. The second goal at the end of the period was a killer. Another couple of given mistakes and then the last goal. So I mean, it's just, can't do that. You guys, it almost sense that it was coming though. Like in the third period, you guys made a good push. You had a lot of zone time. You got a feeling that that's how you want to play the rest of the season. Yeah, before the goal, the second period I thought we had about five, six shifts in a row. We were there. And then the third, there was chunks of it, but not consistently. So, yeah, you can say positively, but we need more consistent effort from more guys. And that may be instead of just four or five shifts, chunks, you'll have more possession time. And Brock Besser has just been unbelievable against the auditors here. That was his 10th goal. And just maybe I thought on his playing in how he's getting a bit of Northern Cup. Yeah, he's a goal scorer. That was a-- we had people in the net smart play. I thought just getting a puck, then that was the right play. What you think of Quinn's play tonight, it felt like he was a catalyst for maybe getting you guys into the game around the middle point of the second period. Yeah, he was trying. He was trying hard. Yeah, he was trying hard. What about the power play? I know that both yourself and JT talked this morning about not just being opportunistic, but establishing some zone time and getting the entries. Obviously, the four-minute penalty, it was tough for your PP1 to get going. Just take me through that. It just wasn't good, not good enough. They know it. I didn't think they worked hard. They mismanaged the puck. It's a four-minute power play. I don't know. I think the second year I had more, I had some shots, but it's just not good enough. They know it. I mean, you have to have a work ethic, and you have to hold the puck, so I didn't think we did. You know, the PDF won a key face-off on the eventual goal that you guys scored late, but you would think that if they're going to split up their lines and he's getting third line match-ups, you need to find a way to win that battle. How tough has it been there, not getting a lot? Like I said, there's five or six guys. Yeah, we need-- he's got to get going. Yeah, I don't know what else to say. You guys have prided yourself on your resilience, managing things game to game all year long. How much do you have to rely on that after a loss like this going back? Yeah, we've done this all year, bouncing back after a tough loss or a bad or whatever. But like I said, you've got to have an Edmonton credit. They played better this tonight. We came back, made a game, and then we gave him a freebie. So the way you look at it, if we could have got to overtime, now, maybe you call it, playing for house money. I don't know, but I thought we started to wear him down at the end. Maybe that's a positive. I don't know. What can you say about archers? We ask you about him every game, but he-- Yeah, he saw-- He played a whole game in it again. He saw it. He was good, yeah, Marty's fine, played well. Rick, you had to put such pressure on them as you were chasing the game in the third, and you get the two holes. And then it's like they just kind of switched off after the second old dooth. Is that human nature? Do you think the mindset changes once it's tied, and guys start thinking about just getting to overtime? Well, it's a will to get the puck. It's not actually a nose. It's a will. There's times there. We have some guys-- you know the puck where it's going to go, you just got to get there. Before the other guy, I think we're pausing. Some guys are playing pause hockey. And you can't win if you have five or six passengers. We're seven. I don't know how many of you will take a look, but there's at least a half a dozen just passengers tonight. Quite frankly, that's what it was. But saying that, let's play up hockey where the next game's a new game. So some of those guys can be a hero for us, so they got to step it up. I know talent is talent and skill is skill, but you do have a lot of extra bodies around now. Will you think about maybe adding another one or two? Yeah. We'll be talking about that tomorrow. We've got some guys that might be getting in the line of force, but we'll talk about it tomorrow. Yeah. Rick, Noah Jewell, some players first game of the series. What did you think of his play tonight? Yeah, that did a nice job. That's a tough situation. You're not playing. I thought he was fine. And what about it seemed like, especially in the third period, you're going to Connor Garland a lot. He's getting a lot of shifts. How important is he in those situations in keeping possession and getting charts? It doesn't give up. That's why he's out there. He's digging for us. He's one of the guys that we rely on to give us juice. Hopefully, some guys look at that and go, hey, man, I got to get going. So yeah, Garz has been a-- he's been like that all year, though. Rick, you said you liked what you saw from Juleson with Susie coming back next game. Would you consider keeping him in? We'll talk tomorrow, Frank. I'm not quite sure how we're going to-- we'll sleep on that. But yeah, he was fine. We'll take a look at the tape. Talk to Footie. We'll do the whole thing tomorrow. Figure out what we're going to do. OK, guys. That's Canucks head coach Rick Talkett. Not too happy after a 3-2 loss, and that is at the podium, brought to you by Tile Town. For visual reality, Tile Town has everything you need for your tiling project. See them today in Victoria Richmond Langley and online at my tile town.ca. And the coach, I think maybe the most seething colleagues he's had in the postseason so far, five or six passengers tonight. Can't play Pause Hockey, he called it. The first time I've heard that before. Have you heard Pause Hockey before, Brett? [INAUDIBLE] Yeah. It didn't sound great, did it, Brett? No. No, it was awful. I don't want to be a guy that played Pause. If I know I paused tonight, I heard that. I feel absolutely awful. You made the joke last game of a play I think Brock made, or he freezes the controller, or unplug his controller. Kind of like that tonight, I guess, if we're talking Pause Hockey. Yeah, on the opposite side. And I think he's just talking about where you know you're going to get hammered. You're going into a puck to get it, and you need to make a play with it. And you've got to take the hit to make the play. And guys just stop and then maybe get the edge or touch it first. Everything you just described there looked like the Kane play on Corona at the end of the game. Right, that's a lot of what you just described. Well, and you said we made four to five-- I can't have four or five guys make a mistake on that goal. And as J.T. Miller, it's Garland, it's a defenseman, it's the Doraab, and what's the Doraab? Corona. And Corona out there. And even Shilla as a puck goes through him. And hey, and he says Shillaas will solve it and get into it. It's going to quick enough to get to the shooter and two guys. A lot of people texting in Lindholm and Miller can be closer to the shooter on that. Bouchard has all time in the world. And even so, do the guys get in the lane and block that shot and they don't, right? So not enough commitment, you would say, right, on that last play? Yeah, and positioning to where the structure they've talked about, like I don't like the pass coming from behind the net up the middle to Bouchard. And then he shoots it back down the same lane. That's not what they're about. They're about protecting the guts. And that's pretty two huge, one huge pass and the winning goal through the guts. It's like they switched off a little bit, right? They thought that, hey, we're going to overtime. This will be fine. And that was enough. It hit pause. It hit pause. No, 100%, right? It kind of is like that pass to go through three layers and then have the shot go back to three layers. That's, it's tough. Yeah, it's a big one. And also considering like how hard they fought to come back and tie that game, you know? You've done the hard bit. Now it's just, hey, 30 seconds, you can mentally reset of, hey, we actually got back on this game. Now we're one shot away. You're just going to do 30 seconds. And that effort wasn't there to close it out. They're just to, hey, we're tied. But it was also, it also kind of encapsulated the game, right? Like there wasn't this consistent end-to-end effort in focus. And there was moments of lack of focus, a lack of, I'd say, composure is what cost them in this game. Yeah, totally just lapse of judgment and that high emotion of tying it up. And then just not, and then just letting it come down, you can't let that focus deteriorate. And you could see they just took a breath. And, you know, wait a minute and you can take a breath. But unfortunately they did it too early. Well, you see it in English soccer a lot. They always say in the EPL that the team that just scored a goal is most vulnerable right after the goal. Because like you have, especially at home, right? You get everybody going. And all it takes is half a second to switch off. The next thing you know, there's a great chance going the other way. And this one for the Canucks, unfortunately, end up losing it there in the dying seconds. He mentioned, you know, the five or six guys that have to get going. The other part of it, which was really skating. I don't know if they know we were in the playoffs, essentially. That was-- That's tough. I mean, for a player to hear like, hey, you guys, do you guys realize we're in the playoffs? That's a pretty big indictment. That's huge, right? That's-- especially in a one opportunity they had tonight, right, to go up 3-1, bring it back home. All the pressure is already on Edmonton. And not that that pressure has been released at all, but everything-- like, this is House Money for Vancouver. But you can't play like it's House Money. It's an organizational thought of like, hey, look, we've done more than we thought this year. But for a player, your careers can be so short. These opportunities are so fleeting. You got to maximize these chances. And we talked about that power play. We talked about moments with the course of the game. Yeah, like, you've got to maximize your output. And the fact that they were that close in this game, despite that, is a credit to them. But also, if you want to finish the job, you've got to be maximizing your chances. Yeah, it seems so close, but so far. And so many just athletes, I think, in any team sport, so many coaches talk about this killer instinct of like, really taking care of business, one of the other teams down, or they have the pressure. And Vancouver really did have that opportunity tonight, especially after tying it up. And it just didn't have the killer instinct. No, it just didn't have it tonight. And that's what ended up costing them ultimately. And you know, Jeff Rose asking, who are the passengers? And a player-- the player who's taken the most criticism on our text inbox, well, after the first period, it was Ian Cole. It has now shifted heavily to Elias Patterson. If we're doing, you know, power rankings for who is the most criticized Canuck after tonight's game, it's easily Elias Patterson right now. There are so many texts that can't even read. Skating. I mean, people are just losing it. They want them traded. Dylan, saying I'm becoming more and more concerned that the desire to win at all isn't going to come for him. It's his first real playoff run. They have to consider moving him in the offseason. A lot of that, right? A lot of those thoughts coming in about Elias Patterson. Is he one of the six passengers the coach was referring to? Now, he battles on the tying goal, one face off, but one face off does not make a game. And-- He did play 20 minutes tonight. No, I get it. But we're talking about four sections of 20 minutes. For sure, I'm just saying the coach played him 20 minutes. He played him 16 last game. So he played him 20 minutes tonight. And, you know, is he one of the passengers? Is his coach view him as one of the passengers? It also wasn't a monumental GT game. So maybe he's got to start giving Patterson some minutes here as well, just for the sake of who's going to pop up for a goal for me. Yeah, possibly. I mean, is P.D. one of the passengers? He has to be. Yeah. No? He has to be one of the players. It was nowhere near the player he was in the regular season, nowhere near that guy. Yeah, not even close. So yeah, is he one that talk it is for sure frustrated with 100%? If you're making lineup changes, the surrounding pieces with Elias Patterson is primary. I imagine Hoaglander draws back in here just to have some more juice. Because we kind of had a smirk there. Was it five minutes to go? Six minutes to go somewhere around there? And it was McCabe, Carlson, Cole, and Julesin on the ice with Elias Patterson. And you're down a goal. And we're just sitting here thinking, who's going to score? Who won that line to score? It's obviously Elias Patterson. But how are you going to put him in an advantageous spot to get that shot off? And he didn't help himself, obviously. But you need a little bit more offensive juice on that line, whether it comes from Souter, or Hoaglander, or whatever the lineup tweak is. They needed one more guy in that lineup tonight. Yeah, absolutely they did. A lot of reaction on the text inbox. Abby from Adam from Abby. Do we think Elias could get sat for a game? No way, right? Patterson, I don't think so. That's not-- I don't think that's-- I know you're frustrated. Be realistic. That's not a thing. Hey, listen, there are so many text messages. We'll try to get to more of them. And we'll talk more about Patterson as a show goes on here. Of course, especially people are going to be calling in. And we'll go to the foam boards here in just a moment. 604-280-0650 or toll-free, 1-888-275-0650. But quickly wrapping up on some of the things that head coach had to say before we get out, he mentioned Hughes was trying hard. But that was pretty much all he said about Quinn Hughes. He's trying hard. What is that? Is that-- hey, he's given credit. He doesn't want to talk too much about a player after they lost the game? Or is that him saying he's working hard, but we need more without saying it? Just in general, through 10 games now, have we seen the marquee Quinn Hughes game? There was the moment in the Nashville game on the comeback where he dusts Nyquist. It's a moment. Yeah. But have we seen a prototypical-- wow, Quinn Hughes is crushed to this game, and everything went through him? No. No, we haven't. I mean, I think that's playoff hockey. One, you're going to target. Absolutely. Hughes. Sure. And I don't think he's been bad. But star players have games. The star players have lengths of games that they control. And he had a fantastic shift on a potential Garland chance in the second period where he's dancing. He's going through guys. But that minute to minute, the game goes through me. I don't know if we've seen enough of that. Hey, you had two points the other night. But just in general, I don't know if we've seen enough dominance from Quinn Hughes. Yeah, like those shifts tonight. Yeah. Like he was the catalyst tonight, probably in the second period. And yeah, we haven't seen the stacks of those. Sometimes he'll have those shifts three, four times in a period. And we haven't seen that. I think it's a lot more difficult to do that in the playoffs. But we haven't seen it. Yeah, Kevin from Calgary, four points in 10 games, guys. That's the 34-point pace. Bottom six player should be elevating in the playoffs. It's embarrassing. He's outmatched physically in this league. Kevin from Calgary. And you know, a lot of the criticism is fair. Like I'm not at the point where I'm like, you know, get rid of the player. He's not going to be good ever again in the future. That's about Pederson. That's about Pederson. But clearly, it's been very disappointing. And tonight was another disappointing game, coming off a disappointing game in game three. The Canucks still won that game, but clearly was not at its best. All right, let's go to the foam boards. We'll get some more of your text messages. We'll hear from Canucks players as well. As the show goes on here. But let's start things off. You know what? Let's go to Sweden again. And let's give Johan another shot. Johan, thanks for calling. I know it's late out in your parts, man. Let's end a second run here. You're all right, what's going on? Clean it up. Here we go. Yeah, sorry for swearing last time, guys. All good. I just want to say, the teams that play bad, that still being able to be in games, that's what winners do. And that's what the Canucks has done this playoff run so far. And it's amazing to watch playoff hockey again. Yeah, it's great. I mean, that's just so nice. And I just want to end on-- let's get back in game time without any kind of passengers. And let's take this series home, OK? I love it. Hey, Johan, thanks to Taksimikya. Yeah, I'm Taksimikya, man. All right. [INAUDIBLE] Hey. I love it. Thanks, man. That is Johan calling in. My sweetest friend out in Sweden calling in. See, big Canucks fan is sweet. A lot of Canucks fans are sweet, and I'm telling you, Canucks nation is strong in Sweden. I will say, there's someone-- because he's nine hours ahead of us. He's where everyone's going to be in nine hours. Because that is a sobering reality. He says, hey, bad game, but you're still in it. And look, that's factual. That's absolutely factual. That they struggle tonight. But it was too, too late, obviously. And they make their comeback. And it is a sign of a team that obviously, hey, bad game is still in it. But this one stings, but when you wake up tomorrow, maybe that's how you'll feel. Yeah, I think we've been pounding the resilient kind of drum a lot in playoffs, especially with the T-shirts. But yeah, they do have a knack for sticking around and cue themselves in it. And guys like Garland, who I think was probably Canucks best player tonight, for the most part, maybe probably not on the last play. But he created a lot and just got that energy and really dragged a lot of guys into the fight. And I absolutely did. Keep your thoughts coming into our text inbox, $6.50, $6.50. Man, people are very much on edge on the text inbox. Like this was a very frustrating game. And I get it, right? The Canucks played really poorly in the first period. And they just looked like they were behind the pace the entire time. And then Ian Cole can't get the fuck out twice. And it's Ian Cole of all people again, right? Leads to JT Miller taking a penalty. And then the Canucks end up getting scored on. And you know what? Let's talk about this for a second. Because the goal of that happens on the Power Play dry side all to make it one nothing. A lot of people were on Ian Cole as well. And I thought Ian Cole had a tough game. Look nervous. If we talk about five or six passengers, for a guy who's been in the playoffs before he looks pretty nervous on the puck. Before we get to that goal. Does any Brett half the time right now? He's suing me. Yeah, I don't know. No, I mean, yeah, he's really good on the physical part. But maybe in terms of the pressure and making plays with the puck, I'm sure you'd like a few of those plays back. Yes, probably would, right? So I don't think he was at his best. And then the goal happens where people like to blame Ian Cole for that P. K. goal. I'm not sure it's on him guys. Because it's Dakota Joshua going out of position which forces Ian Cole to make a decision. Either I challenged Conor McDavid who has got speed going downhill down the middle of the ice. Or I shade and take away the backdoor play to Leon Drey. So he's kind of caught in No Man's Land. But to me, and you guys can break it down, the mistake happens with Dakota Joshua getting out of position. Well, he shares some of it because you're one of the guys there. But for me, his decision is influenced by Dakota Joshua. And you watch the overhead angle. They do a great job on the replay. Joshua's at the dot as the puck's coming up to Bouchard. And he's never getting close to Bouchard to influence Bouchard's decision making. And he accelerates towards him, but he doesn't really cut off a past Conor McDavid. And he's so far away. And because he gets stretched out, now there's nothing Joshua is going to do to influence McDavid, right? Rick Talkett has even talked about this. When a guy is on your back, just keep skating. Well, it's Conor McDavid. He's going to feel comfortable in those environment. So Joshua is not a factor on McDavid at all. He's kind of skating towards Pedersen. So maybe you can think he's going to drop off and take McDavid. But it's still McDavid coming downhill on your flank bread. So I imagine he feel like he has to go up towards McDavid. Yeah, I think you're just fronting the best player in the world that's going into your slot, right? Like, could Cole play it a little better? Yes, could Joshua not come up? The biggest thing for me is, especially on that overhead, if you look at the distance between Joshua and Cole, Cole's not like the bottom of the circle. Covering drives, that's what he's nervous about. And Joshua's all the way out at the point, like four feet off the point, trying to get Bouchard. So there's this massive, there's like ocean for McDavid to just hit with speed. And that's the guy you don't. So that to me, that's the play. That demand and that forward need to work together to close that off and play that half wall in those three guys. And they just leave it wide open for McDavid. And that's the play they want. It ends up in the back of the net. So it just has an overriding philosophy. 'Cause a lot of people have texted it and would say, well, Cole should just, you know, just do his job. Just stick to dry side. Yeah. Is the overriding philosophy of, if you can force another play, force it? 'Cause if he's going out to McDavid, yeah, like it's a pass, but is that one like, okay, maybe someone gets a stick on it. Maybe it's a bad pass. Maybe it's puck on the way to drive that little skips or whatever it is. Any number of things, rather than McDavid coming downhill on a shot that he's gonna get clean on his forehand. Yeah, he possibly could. Like Joshua does try to hit the puck. And McDavid obviously just dances it. But he could stay there and completely take away the drives out of one timer and give McDavid that option in the front and hopefully the players. Yeah, realize the other player that needs to come over, I think it's Lindholm, has to cover Hyman going back to our, which is a forehand to forehand pass, I believe, from McDavid. So that's extremely dangerous. So that, and then also your triggers for a demand to get aggressive and jump up on guys, is your forward good and aggressive. So Joshua's getting aggressive there. So there's a part of Cole that might be thinking, okay, we're going here, I gotta go. And you gotta make that split the second decision. And then yeah, and then you're in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, and I think for me too, when Joshua makes that read, that here's where the chemistry also kind of comes in. It's, you see Cole has now committing 'cause you've got on a position, recognize that, and dash over and try to take away the on-dry subtlest. And that is kind of in the moment, like reading the play. I don't think either guy read off each other very well. Yeah, you didn't get that kind of pull the string where one guy goes out, one guy gets in and you just feel each other's kind of holes, but you just, yeah, they didn't play that very well. No, they certainly did not. And the Canucks then, adding to the frustration, they didn't play well in the second, but towards the end they started putting some shifts together and it started getting back in the game with a little bit of a couple of chances. Besser had that two on one chance. It looked like, all right, they got the puck to the middle a little bit, a few block shots, but it got a bit closer, and then Noah Julesen steps up. And then here's the two nothing. And so the frustration mounts, and I can see it in the text inbox, and then the Canucks come back and tie it, and then they lose again. So I can understand people's frustration levels are like nine out of 10, 10 out of 10 right now. And I can feel it on the text inbox 'cause there's so much sniping at everything that's getting set right now. But keep your thoughts coming in. We'll get to your thoughts in just a moment. But let's continue on the phone board, 604-280-0650, or toll free, 1-888-275-0650. Let's go to North Van, where we have Mike on the line. Mike, thanks for calling in. Now, what do you have first tonight, buddy? - Hey, Seth, tough loss for the boys, but I just want to point out something where you guys have just been talking about. Edmonton's matchup tonight was the big difference. They had their top guys against the guys that they were targeting, and that became a lot of the big mistakes, just as you guys were saying. So it's gonna be nice when the boys come back home and have last change, but that was a big thing that I saw in the game that was a real big difference. And also, PD, I don't know. You guys might know, but definitely does not look like himself probably playing with an injury, or probably just fired up for that 12.5 that he's making next year. But, you know what, the boys are gonna win at seven, but I just want to get your thoughts on their matchups because it was brilliant tonight by Edmonton. - Hey, thanks for the phone call, Mike, appreciate it. As far as the matchups go, I thought Edmonton did a good job with it. For all the talk about Chris Knoblock getting out coach in this series, I thought tonight did a pretty good job. And if you want to criticize the Canucks for their deployment in the third period, I think you can. Now, based on what the coach said, however, you heard him mention we have five or six passengers. He obviously didn't trust everybody tonight, but you're trying to tie the game, and they came back and tied it. So, I mean, hey, it worked out, but we're talking about a lot of shifts late in the game for guys like Carlson, for all Mon Juleson and Cole, they're out there as well. Rejuleson was out there late in the game too. So you kind of wonder on the deployment side that Edmonton somewhat outmaneuver Vancouver tonight. - I think he probably sent a message to a couple of guys that he think are passengers. If you're on the bench and you see Carlson jump over, and you think you should be out there and try to contribute, I think that's a huge message to you as a player sitting on the bench. So I'd say that, I mean-- - Like, Lafferty didn't see a shift for this last nine minutes, 10 minutes of the game, right? - Yeah, and I mean, Lafferty, I can't say anything really bad about his game tonight. - But what are you expecting? Like, that's the thing, he's not one of your primary play drivers anyway. And yeah, he got a great opportunity early in the game to play with Patterson. But this series and this game should not be influenced by Sam Lafferty. This series has to be influenced by Elias Patterson. This matchup is dictated by your star players, and it's gotta be Patterson, it's gotta be Hugh, it's gotta be the Veronix, the Carry On, Miller tonight. And he's been good, obviously, but those are the guys driving it. I don't look to Sam Lafferty to solve the team's problems. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I would just say, yeah, it all circles back to P.D needs to be better, but can he be better with the way he's playing with? I think. - Chicken and the egg, sure, but yeah. - Yeah, like, I just need to see a lot more desire from Elias Patterson. - 100%. - Oh yeah, I mean, you know, people with Kevin and Calgary is like, more P.D. excuses, we're talking about who's getting benched last at the end of the game, that's what we're talking about. - All things could be true, yeah. - And also last game, by the way, 548, Elias Patterson doesn't play in the last game. - It last almost six minutes, game three. - That's why I kind of wondered, like he talked about him, you know, one of the passengers or whatever, but still play him 20 minutes. Is that 'cause you felt like you had no choice? Or how do you feel about where that player's game's at? And clearly, he has to be significantly better than he has been. The question though, and I think it's fair one, we've been waiting this long now. Is it, are we just waiting for something that's not gonna happen in the postseason now? That maybe we don't see the version we're wanting to see if a Patterson, these playoffs, and we may have to wait until next year. - I mean, okay, sure, but I don't know. - To analyze what's happening right now, I'm not caring about next year. - No, sure, exactly, but I'm just saying like in terms like we're keep saying, hey, they need Patterson to arrive. They need him to bring his best game. He's got to take that step yet, and now we're sitting here, what? This is the 12th game in the playoffs? - Yeah, I don't need-- - 10th game, yeah. - I don't need the $11.7 million dangle everybody and have a hat trick PD, but that second goal, I need a PD that puts some effort into Ekholm there. - Second goal against. - Second goal against. Ekholm, like anything, a stick, a body, anything. That, to me, that's what's frustrating about that. I need those details. - 'Cause in game two, there were elements of that. He was moving his feet, a great deal, being active, being the type of player that feels like he covets the puck. - I didn't see him skating too much tonight. - We had to take the game on, right? - Yeah. - Like, take charge of it. - I just didn't see him, I hate that it comes down to moving his feet, but-- - But I mean, the coach has been saying that-- - It came, too. - It was very noticeable how all over the ice, and the defensive zone, even those little link-up plays where either it's in the neutral zone or the defensive zone, just being a release foul for the demand, and just able to take a pass cleanly under pressure and slide it to someone in the space so they can play with speed, there's none of that in these last two games. - Yeah. - Certainly today was a big problem. - 100%, and I think that's what we want to see from him, too, is kind of the two-way play to your point on that. And it happened again late in the period, right? Like, the connects kind of switched off late in the third, the game-winning goal happens late in the second. You mentioned Patterson not skating, she kind of stops skating at the blue line. It's those things, right? It's like, you got to keep your feet moving, you got to play with more conviction, and all it takes is one moment of switching off, and Edmonton's going to make you pay. - Yeah, and to quote, "talk it in his press cover," "it's a will to get the puck," and I don't see a lot of will there. Certainly not tonight. Certainly not tonight. - Yeah, absolutely. All right, we are going to get to the text message just coming up in a second. Gary and Nordchor, why do you guys continue to make excuses? Why? - I suppose. - Reasonings and excuses are the same thing based on perspective. - Yes, precisely, explaining what's going on, but also saying he needs to be back. Everyone agrees, I don't think anybody sits here and disagrees that they need significantly more from number 40 here. The series is tied to two games apiece. Game five is coming up on Thursday, and we have a lot of reaction on the foam boards. Let's continue on the foam board, 604-280-0650. Let's go to Richmond, where we have Sam on the line. Sam, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? - Hey, fat, how's it going? - Good, man. - Boy, that was a heartbreaker. That still really sucks. - Yeah, that's a tough one. - Yeah, I agree with you guys that you're saying, Patterson, you're really worried to me. I know we're not finished this year yet, and hopefully we're not, but yeah, he needs to start showing up, especially if we're going to pay him $11.5 million. I know the contract hasn't started yet, but yeah, it's a big problem. I was going to ask you guys, do you think Miller could be one of the people that Pogger was talking about? And yeah, you know, if they, what bugs me the most, is they played a full 60 minutes, like they did probably games three, then I would have for sure thought they would have won it, but yeah, anyhow, football, thanks guys. - Hey Sam, thanks for the phone call. You're here to the disappointment in Sam's voice. - Sure. - I totally understand why. And, you know, we're getting a lot of text messages on something he just mentioned as well. What was it here? - I just lost it, but Sam was mentioning JT Miller. This one here says, "We shouldn't give Miller a free pass either. Maybe his worst game in the playoffs." I was kind of wondering, I was asking you guys at one point, it's like, does he look right? Like it seemed like he just wasn't moving his feet as well as he normally was. And we'd say that JT so far throughout the playoffs has shown engagement. So maybe tonight the coach didn't love his game, but it's hard to think of JT as a passenger throughout these playoffs, right? But tonight, clearly we did not see the peak JT Miller we've seen so far in the playoffs. - No, and then tonight I think the dry side of matchup was more his, I'm just trying to bring up the opposition. Yeah, he played eight minutes against dry side of five on five, only four minutes against McDavid, five on five. So he gets to the dry side of Kane Holloway matchup and, you know, he might have done a job defensively, but that third goal obviously is the one that sticks out. A lot of people have texted in Brad about that goal, 'cause obviously we talked about the high stick. It looks like Garland is trying to flip that out or get it to Miller. Is he blowing the zone early? It's kind of a 50/50. You can read it how you want. I'm okay with him going there. He's clearly trying to be a release valve, but is he blowing the zone in that moment? - It's so close. I think initially when I saw it, I thought he should be underneath at home, at comes a guy that ends up keeping it in with his skate and then, you know, the rest is history. But yeah, I get what you're saying. In the moment when you look at when Garland gets the puck, he's a good option for Garland skating through the middle of a speed. And then really if that chip does get out, where he's initially trying to get it out and dries that'll knock it down, he's 1v1 versus Bouchard, right? - Exactly, so yeah, in terms of six inches there, I don't think he's on the bad side, but initially, I don't know, that's probably nitpicking too much. - If we're thinking of moments from Miller tonight, it's really, he had a rush along the left flank. Not sure if it was first or third period, where he kind of wanted to do that one where he, like against Colorado, where he brings it into his skates, goes into the body and then freys up the puck from inside his feet. But that's, people can text it in other moments, but that's really the only one that stands out for me. - I don't think he was a passenger though. And I think you could see the frustrating frustration with him, he did smash his stick against the wall right before he gets into a nurse. And I forget who the other guy was, but you could see the frustration in his game. So that's usually him showing that he cares and he wants to be better. - Plus the interference penalty, right? First period that leads to the dry side of the goal. I know Cole, there's issues that are not hitting that puck, but there's a lot of unnecessary moments from JT on that play, trying to pin dry side a little up against the wall. - A little bit, he kind of gets caught up a bit as well. And not his best game, JT's. But again, I mean, I don't think there were a lot of guys who had a great game, you know what I mean? It's just I'm not sure he falls into the category of guys who don't know it's playoffs, like the coach said. - No, no, not at all. And I don't think he was a passenger either. - Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Not a lot of reaction on the text inbox. J and Poco, harmless, pedestrian play, no killer instinct. You don't win a series when you play hard for one total period, a game. They don't like the non-60 minute effort from the team here tonight. All right, we are gonna get to more of your phone calls on the other side. Plus we'll hear from JT Miller. He wasn't too happy after the game tonight. We'll hear his thoughts, more of your thoughts on the text inbox and on the phone boards and a lot more. It's Sat, Brett and Bic. And this is the Canucks time to post-game show presented by the number five orange. The game is over, but he's a night really done. The number five is open. 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(crowd cheering) 39 seconds left in this period and the Canucks play aggressive in the neutral zone. - Well it's a will to get the puck, it's not X's nose. It's a will, there's times there. We have some guys, you know the puck where it's gonna go, you just gotta get there. Before the other guy, I think we're pausing. Some guys are playing pause hockey and you can't win if you have five or six passengers. Or seven, I don't know how many it was, we'll take a look. But there's at least a half a dozen, just passengers tonight, you know, quite frankly that's what it was. But saying that, let's play up hockey where the next game's a new game. So some of those guys can be a hero for us. So they gotta step it up. - That is the Canucks high coach Rick Tock, it needs more from five or six guys. And yes, to those texting and calling in number 40. Elias Patterson is definitely part of that group. And this is the Canucks central post game show presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks sports in 650 and the sports net radio networks out to your shop, Brett Festrilling and Bick Nizar. Keep your thoughts coming into our text them box 650 650. We'll get to the phone boards in a second and we are gonna get to JT Miller in a moment. But we do have a lot of reaction on the text them lots. And we were breaking down in detail what happened on the game winning goal, the three two goal. And honestly like, you know, for all the talk of us breaking it down, we're gonna get to a text I don't think has ready he wants to read here. The coach himself said, if you missed him, said we had four to five guys make big mistakes on the last goal. So in terms of analyzing what happened on that last goal, that's what we're trying to get to. And there's a lot of reaction on that. - 650 650 unsullying text here. You guys are tying yourselves into knots with the micro analysis, especially Vic. It's Bick by the way, with the B Bravo. - B with a B, remember it's a fast game. And from time to time, someone will be out of position by an inch or two, LOL. The NHL player, Brett Festrilling by the way, sounds like he thinks the same, but he's too nice to say it to you guys. So Brett, do you have anything to say to us? - I'll say I was the one that broke down the last play within an inch of Miller. So I feel like that's going against me. But I'll give them credit. It's extremely fast game, and it is a game of inches. And it's hard, I mean, we're seeing this at frames. You know, we're slowing things down to frames and seeing it, and that's how we have to break it down. And to be honest with you, when you get in an NHL locker room, that's how coaches are breaking down. They literally have a pause play button, where it says frame, frame, frame, frame, frame. Okay, see here, you're two feet wrong this way, or your stick's not on the ice, or your stick should be in the other lane, that kind of thing. So yes, this is a fast game, and it's extremely hard to make those decisions in real time. - Yeah, but we're gonna break it down. - Well, but also it's the highest level. It's professional hockey. And you've even said this too. Even when the PK and moments has played well, dry side of the McDavid are operating in six inches. - Yeah. - So the fact that they're pulling that off in six inches, you kind of have to be inch perfect. - Well, that's the goal of the night we were talking about, is should Cole go up or not? The thing is, if Cole's standing there beside him, McDavid's still gonna make that pass. And he's still gonna one time it. So it's more of like trying to push them into areas that it's gonna be the worst shot possible, which is kind of where dries that it is. That's why it's so good and so effective, 'cause you can get it off. - Yeah, absolutely. And, you know-- - Thank you for the text though, by the way. - 100%. - I love the thoughts, I love the thoughts. It was actually funny 'cause it was actually big saying about JT's, I thought it was funny. It's going out of the zone and it's like, Brett's like, no actually details on this one matter a bit more. You gotta play a bit tighter, you gotta play a bit tighter. All right, listen, we are gonna get to the foam boards in a second and more stuff on the text min box, but we mentioned JT Miller. Top of the conversation here as well, we were talking about him before the break on when the caller mentioned, you know, where was JT tonight in terms of his game. Well, JT has been very honest when he's met with the media since he came, became a Vancouver Canucks. And again tonight, here's some honesty from JT Miller who met with the media after a tough last minute 3-2 loss in game four in Edmonton. - Yeah, it's tough. Flat back. You know, pretty big. I don't know, I gotta find shooting in there, so let's tell me. Do some mindset, change when you get the 2-2 goal. I think you're just trying to get the game told we're talking to you guys in two paths of a different two battleized. - No, I gotta, I gotta go ahead of rush chance before that. So the wrong spot in the D zone and then didn't block the shot. It would break down and end it up in the net. - What's the power plan? You talked this morning about how you guys needed to be better on entries. - I'm actually gonna be honest with you, I'm tired of talking about it. Like I don't, so I must tell you the same thing. - Are you more upset with the finish? Do you care of the way you guys played it? 'Cause it seemed like you played pretty well in the second phase. - I mean, I'm pretty upset with myself at the moment. That was a pretty big play at the end of the game there. That posture never got to blue shard, or blue shard and certainly shouldn't get past me, so I already can't see anything. - That is J.T. Miller taking full responsibility post-game on what happened. Again, you talk about Mike when analyzing it, J.T. Miller puts it on himself for number one, letting the pass go through, and the second part, which something you talked about too, it's like you protect the guts of the ice, not only did you not on the pass, you also didn't do it on the shot, and that's two instances where J.T. could've made a play, and he took onus on that. - Yeah, accountability. - That's what it looks like, and I don't know if it solves anybody that's like, oh well, I feel better about it now, and you're okay with the result. But yeah, that's meeting media and saying it's on you, that's accountability, and that's kind of what you wanna see from your leaders. - And I like it going into next game. Like, I'm ready to see Miller next game now, 'cause he's mad. - Yeah, I wanna see the entire team be mad and play with some, but especially him, right? Especially him, 'cause he can be the catalyst in so many different ways, and if he brings it, usually he gets everybody else's attention going to, and they really start bringing it. And I have no issues with J.T. Yes, not a great look for him, right? But considering everything he's done in the playoffs, like, I'm not gonna sit here and eat his lunch over this too much, like we can criticize it and point it out, but I'm far from being at a point where I'm pointing fingers at J.T. Miller for the connect struggles. - I think he's been great. - Yeah. - I've really liked him, yeah, there's, you know... - Plus they showed the graphic of him versus McDavid, five on five. - Yeah. - The series, McDavid's got a donut. That's unreal, and Miller's got the one I see, and tonight, 'cause there been more chance generation, it's interesting that he mentioned the rush chance that he had near the end of the game. Obviously, it's about a buck 30 left, maybe even a bit less, a minute left. And he's entering the zone with Bouchard, kind of gets a weak shot off, and it's him with two or three other oilers kind of in the zone. Maybe he can hold on to that puck and create zone time for them, but it's interesting that he kind of point that out as well. - Yeah, no, absolutely. We have a lot of reaction on the text in the box. This one here, Jacob and Maple Ridge. That's Shilab's rush out and poke was bold, and I loved it. Great reaction and judgment. It was a great night for Arthur Shilab's. The only mistake he may have made was probably on that last goal, which kind of squeezes through him. Maybe he doesn't see it perfectly, but usually the ones that go through you are the ones you really don't want to give up. But on that play, Evander Kane has a beat on the puck, and he comes flying out, knocks it out. Could've been, it's one of those moments that kept the Canucks in the game. But I thought where he played is, when he came up the biggest, was when Edmonton had the power play in the third, the Canucks were down by a goal. Garland had scored, and it was like, okay, if they score here, you're gonna put the game away. He made two massive saves, especially on Hyman when he turned around on a rebound opportunity, that kept the game at a one goal level, and they came back to tie it. But I thought Shilab's was terrific tonight, outside of the last goal we mentioned, but to the point the texture it makes, that play to come out and challenge and take the puck from Kane, that was ballsy and it paid off. - Yeah, I was cheering for it. That got me out of my seat, so that was great. And then, yeah, right before Hyman, he actually makes that kind of split save right under a skate blade as well. So, some massive, massive saves to keep them in the game. - Let's go to the phone board, 604-280-0650, your toll free, 1-888-275-0650. Let's go to Graham Prairie, where we have Travis on the line. Travis, thanks for calling in, and what are your thoughts here tonight? - Thanks, guys. Oh, I'm thoroughly disappointed. I had actually turned off the TV for a while before. It was about, I don't know, a few minutes left, and they pulled the goalie, and it's like, "I don't know, "the Oilers are so aggressive when they're short-handed." And then, I was like, "No, I can't keep up on my team." And I turned it on just as Brock scored, and I thought, "No way, here we go again." And then, as the puck went down, it's like, "It can't stop playing, "the period's not over, boys." And, sure enough, this scored, I was pretty curious, but I remember the '80s, I was a child in the '80s, and the Oilers were so good, so arrogant, even in Gretzky's biography, he admits that. And all of us fans are 10 times more to the players, emotionally, so the fans were even worse, so that was frustrating. But I think the frustrating thing is, when I found out they were going to play Picard, I said to my sister, "I don't know." She goes, "What?" I said, "They're gonna put Picard in." And then, her friend said, "Nah, boy, "he's from Newfoundland, nah, boy, that's a good thing." I was like, "What do you mean?" "No, the Canucks always make a new goal. "You look like Patrick O'Hahn is prime." I said, "They're gonna lose, and I hate to see that. "I wanna believe in the boys, but I've seen it so many times." And whoever wins this game, I feel like it's gonna win the series. And I really hope I'm wrong, but it was just frustrating to have my worst fears come alive. Anyway, thanks a lot. - Thanks for the phone call, Travis. And I can see that. I mean, this is probably the first time now in the playoffs, where Canucks fans are like, "Uh-oh." You know, a little like, "Okay, two, two series now." You know, and you lose last second. It's a demoralizing way to lose. And those are the ones that are tougher to shake, right? And here's where we're going to really see what this team's made up. Going back for game five now, an emotional, difficult game to lose. This way, you had a chance to maybe get to overtime and be up three-one. Nair staring at a two-two series. How they bounce back for game five is gonna tell us a lot about this team. - And it's something that they've done all season, right? When they've had losing moments, you know, they've managed to bounce back. Even a four-game losing streak. Last team to go on a three-game losing streak in the NHL. And they were able to bounce back. Even in these playoffs, they've bounced back. So yeah, it's, you know, right now, where we're talking about the game that they just lost and you feel down about it, but certainly, and a lot of people are texting in, 650, 650, this one. So I know this will go unread, but guys, and this is all caps from here on out. - We are tied to two with the leaf and oilers coming back home. This is such a special year. So spread the positivity. This fan base lacks so often. So there you go. - Yeah, sure. - Yeah, nobody's saying a series is over. - No, it's not. - It's just like you were breaking down the game of what happened tonight. And listen, when they win and do a lot of good things, you're more excited about the things they do well. You're describing good things. And when they do poorly and lose, you talk about the things that went wrong against. I mean, it doesn't mean they're gonna lose this series. It doesn't mean they're screwed for game five. It just means tonight was disappointing. It was frustrating. They shot themselves in the foot a lot. They switched off at bad moments. And in terms of frustration, you heard JT, the head coach was seething post-game. So it's not like they're sitting here and saying, it's all sunshine and rainbows. Everything is all good. You gotta be real about what happened tonight. But you can also, two things, multiple things can be true at the same time. You can be critical of what happened today, but also still be optimistic about the rest of the series. And I picked a connection win in seven. Then being in two, two doesn't change how I view this series. - That's what it feels like going seven, right? - Yeah, man, there's swings going back and forth. There's a difference between criticizing a game and saying you're done. And I don't think the Canucks in any way, shape, or form are done in this series. - No, I don't know what world anybody was projecting like a four one or whatever. - Yeah, like a five-game series or something. - Yeah, like from a perspective of the hockey player right now, it's emotional. You're mad. You're gonna have a lot of clips. Obviously the coach is mad. He's gonna want certain guys to elevate their game. But I know you guys don't wanna hear about this two hour rule again, but that's what happens. Tomorrow is go to work and it's business. Now you have a best of three series. That's all you have. If you said that at the beginning, hey, we got three games. We can saw it off two and two, best of three. I'm sure we'd take it. It's a good spot to be in. It's not a bad spot. - No, you have no ice. - And look, I know we talked about the opportunity coming into this game. You can go up three, one, huge. You're still presented with another good opportunity. Every chance you get a chance to win a game right now in the playoffs, huge. And so you know in the next one, you're up three, two, it's back in your own barn. Plenty of opportunities still exist for Vancouver. It's just, I always say that a series feels like a season because every game you go through different story lines. And you know, one game, one win, feels like a four game winning streak. It feels like two weeks. It feels like you're 10 days. - Think, remember when the Canucks lost game two against Nashville? - Yeah, it was like, the Canucks are gonna lose this series now. They lost home ice advantage. At here as a lesser team, whereas Patterson, they're screwed now. I told you guys this team's not gonna do anything. They're losing in six. I mean, trust me, that was the last time the Canucks fans had any reason to be overly critical. And that was then. - And the inverse is true after a loss, right? You feel like it's a four game losing streak. You're like, oh, how are we gonna get out of this? We're so close for the season to be over. A season where people have been falling in love with the team all over again. And it's like, oh, it's ten years of hanging in the balance. Well, they haven't played in a elimination game yet. They're still, as you just said, best of three, right? So you gotta embrace the opportunity as much as the fear exists, but the obstacles are far less daunting than the fear. - That's what you play for. - Yeah, it's the positions you wanna be in as a player, but also as a fan. This is the beauty of it, right? This is the roller coaster and the excitement. I love it. I think they're in a great spot. - No, I'm with you. So, I mean, this one, this text here says, "The Oilers are beatable if we all show up on sign." They are very beatable. That's why, you know, we picked. I mean, I know, Bick, you picked the Canucks to win. I picked the Canucks to win this series. They were the underdogs, but Edmonton's beatable. Edmonton's not that impressive. Even tonight, they play one of their best games of the series. They're up to nothing and coughed up a two goal lead late. And needed the Canucks to switch off in the final minute to win this one three, two. - And it's the same guy scoring. It's dry as high as it's blue shirt. Now, Nugent Hopkins, and I've talked about like four or five guys that are only gonna score. It's those guys. It's the guys that are on that power play. And they get a power play goal tonight. They go one for two, connects to over three, lose that special team's battle. And it's those five guys, you shut them down. And I'll just quickly look at the ice time here tonight. Derek Ryan played 852. Connor Brown, 959. Warren Fogel, 745. Corey Perry, nine minutes. Had a meme in the game where he puts a stick to Brock Besser in a scrum. - Worm. - Faking the book check. We were laughing about it. - Connected tight and not too long after though. - I know, but like, that was a funny moment. Fair play to Corey Perry in that moment. That was pretty funny. I played with Corey, yeah. And he does that all the time. Like just those type of antics. It's hilarious. I think he's one of the funniest. He's a rat, and he's so greasy, but it was funny. - Nughead, texting, and it says, guys, you aren't the negative ones. I'm trying to motivate all the doomers that we have that texting, doomers texting and calling in. Well, we are gonna get to your phone calls on the other side. We are gonna let Brett Fesserling go here in about a minute. And our break's gonna be short. We'll be back. We'll take more of your phone calls. We'll play more Canucks player audio as well. Plus we'll have Ian McIntyre on, but-- - Full board right now too, so keep trying. - Yeah, we'll get to your thoughts on the other side. But before we let you go here and wrap it up on a network portion, Brett, heading into game five on home ice. What do you see here that the Canucks need to do? And what do you think they can do to win that game to take control of the series again? - Well, I mean, Talks at it kind of perfect, no passengers. You do need the whole team. That's where your advantage comes from the Canucks to me is just the depth and the team system when the team plays it. Period. And then you got to be disciplined. You got to stay over that box. That power play is so deadly every time you're on there. - Well, and also when you get a power play opportunity, you just can't have the power play you had tonight. I mean, you had six minutes on the man advantage in the first period and none of it was creating much of anything. - And that was kind of the game right there. - Yeah. - Like that's really what killed him in the game was. Was this the last goal in the second period there? And then just not taking advantage of anything in the six minutes. - No question. Brett, great stuff, man. Thanks for your insights tonight. We look forward to chatting with you during intermissions and post-game. Game five, Thursday from Rodgers Arena. A series tied to two. And this is what it's all about. - Can I wait? - Yeah, fantastic stuff. He's Brett Festerling. It's Satyar Shah with Biknazar. We'll be back on the other side. Keep your thoughts coming into our text inbox. We'll get to your phone calls as the Canucks Central post-game show continues. Presented by the number five orange on the home of your Canucks Sportsnet 650 and a Sportsnet Radio Network. - Canucks talk with Jamie Dodd and Thomas Drantz will dive deep into all that's happening with the Vancouver Canucks. Listen 12 to 2 p.m. on Sportsnet 650 or wherever you get your podcasts. - This is the Canucks Central post-game show. - Join the discussion on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet Radio Network. - Vancouver's been in this plot a lot of times in the playoffs already. Four times and they've won three of those games. So can they do it again? It's the question. - What sort of heroics do the Canucks still have in store? It's time to find out. 147 left in the third, Euler's up two to one. Face off in the Edmonton zone near circle to our left. Derek Ryan out to take the face off. It's a drop as Italy is Patterson, it's Ryan DeHarnay, nurse Drysightle and McDavid on the ice. Patterson wins the draw for Besser. Left point to Hughes, back to Besser. Left wing shoots, they score. Brett Besser got into the goal. He finds it's way past Cal Pickard and the comeback Canucks have done it again. It's 2-2 with 141 left in the third. - Hughes to Besser. Besser takes the shot from the left hand side and there's traffic Lindholm and Joshua in front of Calvin Pickard. And the puck goes to the back of the net but Brock Besser ends up taking the shot. I think this goes off a lice Lindholm as the Canucks make it 2-2 with one minute and 41 seconds left to go in this game. - They will not quit, they will not go away. - Party just wanted to be like, and then what happened? - I'm losing 3-2. It's just such bad timing because, you know, so fast any Gregory, why would you say that? So fast any Gregory got in my ear. He's like, man, it's too bad. They didn't get to overtime 'cause that would have been an iconic moment late in the game, right, and it would have been. It's too bad, just too bad and then give up the game winning goal. 40 seconds and that's the end of the game. Canucks lose 3-2 and this is the Canucks on the post game show presented by the number five orange on SportsNet 650. - For people that wonder sometimes and text in the show and, you know, people have even said it on our airwaves now of why we use the term cowards so much in our office and they're like, what a weird thing. It's for moments like this. It's for moments like this. Like, we use it as a term of endearment, but it's for moments like this. Dude, you're such a coward. Like, what was that? Of all the things to say, and then what happened? - I mean, I just kind of sucked. I just sucked, I'm just encapsulating how everybody feels to me. You hear that call coming? Yeah, they tied the game and then seconds later, then give up the game winning goal. It's like-- - Redfall. - Redfall is terrible. - That was the worst in the last 30 seconds. - Not enough compete for you on that one. Ah, man. - It's just bad decision-making by sat there. I'd rather you've gotten the score wrong, like you usually do. We can game plan around that. - Ah, man. Just rough, man. Just rough. And, you know, it's one of those things where, I can understand why there's extra frustration from a game like this, right? 'Cause you're watching it. There's one of those games where you're just quietly seething throughout the whole thing. And people have been texting and saying how they're just so angry at how things went here tonight. All right, we'll get to more of your texts coming up in a moment, but let's run through the foam boards. A lot of people calling in 604-280-0650. You're toll free, 1-888-275-0650. And let's go to Surrey, where we have Cassie on the line. Cassie, thanks for calling in. What do you have first tonight? - Hi there, how's it going? So I just read all the online reactions, and I think people are leaving press with Cole, Peronac, and Petey. I just wanna talk about Petey, 'cause I understand why people want Petey to sit. But the thing is that you usually sit a player for two reasons. You either sit him to send a message, or you sit as persons so you can bring someone else to make the team better. We'll need to sit Petey to send a message, because we all know he knows that he's up right now. So if we sit him, the only reason would be that we wanna bring in someone else who can make our lineup better. But the problem is we don't have anyone who we can bring in to make the lineup better, because we have like 13 choices AHL players, and I don't think any of them will play better than Petey would, even when Petey is not performing. - Also, I think the series is right now tied. We definitely don't have time to experiment, so we just gonna have to stick with him and see what happens with Petey. That's all I have for you guys, thank you. - Thanks for the phone call, that's Cassie calling it. - It's a great shout out. I know people get mad about the Patterson things, and we're still getting texts about, oh, he, sit him. That's like classic cutting off your nose to spite your own face, or whatever the phrase is, cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. That's, you're doing more harm than good. I get it, he's gotta be better. No one is sitting here, he's saying that he played a good game tonight. He has to be better, but the solution to it is he has to be better on the ice. You're not gonna do this thing, I'm like, well, if he sits a game, he'll learn. It's put up a show up time, it's not, hey, we've got time to work this out. You got three games left, Max, and he's gotta do it on the ice. - 100%. - You can improve the scenario around him, but if he's not, he has to do it on the ice. That's the only way forward. - 100%. And you know what, like, and I see this, this stuff all the time too, like, I'm right from Abby Texan and said, Juleson over Friedman is always a bad move, and talk love to McCabe is dragging down that line. Bench McCabe, play Hogs, and for the love of God, please blender the power play. But it's like this stuff like, okay, so Juleson came in and struggled a little bit tonight, obviously, right, made the bad play on the second goal, stepped up for the hit on Ian Cole. I mean, on Matias Echolm puts himself out of the play, it's a two-on-one new Jutoffian scores. I don't know if Friedman's a better player. It's the same thing as people say, "Well, take Patterson out of the game and put somebody else in." It's like, take McKay about it, it's like, well, who's better than McKay of? Sure, you can put Hoaglander in. I don't mind seeing Hoaglander sit a lafferty, and McKay of needs to be better, there's no doubt. But, like, who's scoring goals if McKay is not playing? Is it put goals in who had no goals in the regular season for the Canucks? Zero goals of 16 games? Is it Nils Olaman? That's playing tonight, not scoring. PDG was not scoring. So it's like, sure, you can make those switches, but I don't think it's making the impact you think it's gonna make. And if you take Patterson out to put one of those guys in, trust me, you're not gonna be any better. Like, you're not. And if Friedman came in and struggled, you'd say, should have played Juleson. And if Friedman and Juleson both played and they struggled, you would say, "Well, why don't you play Willannon?" To me, it's just an easy thing to kind of point towards, but those options aren't better. Different doesn't mean better, and different probably means worse, given the caliber of players the Canucks have outside of their 18 everyday skaters isn't very high end. And that's one of the things we talked about the deadline. Like, hey, the Canucks could really use a top six player 'cause if they're healthy and all going, okay, they'll be fine. But if somebody struggles, or if they lose a forward on the wing, they don't have a lot of firepower. If there isn't anybody knocking on the door, this is a goal score that you can call up or put into the lineup. So I get it, people want changes, but I'm not sure there are changes that will answer the problems anyways. - I was talking about those with Yannick earlier today. People show a podcast. You know, for me, the regular season, your strength gets you to the playoffs. And in the playoffs, your playoffs are defined by your weakness. And we were talking about the flaws of the team so far, and I think it shows up, goal tending and defense for Edmonton. Even when they're, you know, two nothing late in the game, the Canucks have a puncher's chance to get back into it, 'cause defense and goal tending is an issue. And for the Canucks, look, five on five, they can protect and deny things, but right now, their biggest flaw is lack of options. That when you're in this trans, in this transition year, this is the first year of them, hopefully regularly competing, but this wasn't all in. They made a big move, obviously with Lindholm, but the multi-year process for Alvin and Rutherford, for flushing in a bunch of, you know, young talent and giving the coach depth of options, isn't really there. And that, to me, is a flaw now, that people are texting in, like, Pettis can only do so much with HL wingers and changing the line up and all these things. But a lot of these options, as you say, sat, different doesn't mean better, it's just different. And they don't have a lot of secondary options outside of, you bring in those Hoaglander, you know, 25 goal score, you can be a nice player, but they don't have exciting options. Whereas you look at a doubt, even Vegas last year, right? Vegas, they scratched Teddy Blueger. That's how deep they were. The connects are in that first stage of trying to get to a stage of acquiring depth, but they just don't have it yet. And that's, for me, like a one of the flaws that's being exposed for Vancouver. - Yeah, and that's something that we talked about at the deadline, right? Like, and Patrick Halloween spoke about, he tried his hardest to try to add another player, another option for this team, they couldn't do it. And you're seeing that, you know, be an issue here for the team at the moment. All right, continue getting your thoughts in to our text inbox, 65650. You can also go up a phone line, 604-280-0650. Let's go to Surrey, where we have Neil on the line. Neil, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? - You know, obviously a little somber with that ending, what a crazy roller coaster of emotions, but I want to talk about Petey and surrounding him with players that he should be surrounded with. Yes, he's not playing his best, but, and you guys are just talking about the deadline and Alveen and stuff. What did Alveen say at the deadline when he brought in Linholm? Linholm is supposed to play with Pedersen. So let's put Linholm with Pedersen. And let's put that third line that was so awesome together in the first half of the season, back together with Teddy Blooger centering, Garland and Joshua. And, you know, either whatever speed you want to put on the left wing, whether that's Hoglander or Linus Carlson, awesome. But put Pedey with Lindholm as your second line, and let me know what you guys think of that. - Thanks for the phone call. That's Neil and Surrey calling in. I mean, they tried the Pedersen with the Lindholm thing in the regular season, it didn't work, but to his point, and we've talked about this as well now, Blooger has shown he can play with Lind with Garland and Joshua. Pedersen's not going at all. Do you not give it another run here? So there's two options for me. I've mentioned the other one to you. Now that, for me, it was put PDG with Miller and Besser 'cause you've seen that work. They had chemistry earlier in the season and he can do a job of digging a puck out for G.T. Miller. But that allows Souter to go with Pedersen with Mikayev and that scenario. You can keep Lindholm with Joshua and Garland and still have your center depth. To me, it's another option. But the other one to the caller's point, it's Lindholm with Pedersen and for me, it would be Hoaglander putting there. And you keep Souter with Miller and Besser, gives yourself a more natural top six. Both viable options to me. And if we're talking about changes, certainly we'll want to see one of those because you gotta get him going. He has to get himself going too. - Sure. - Right? - No, no, absolutely. And you still might get out of the series and survive, but even if you get to the next round, you can't keep surviving. At some point you need to go to this thing where you need to load up a little bit. - 100%, 100%. And I'm not against trying that at the very least. Not right now at all. And I see Bill texting him, why doesn't he put Coles and get a chance? Well, one of the reasons he's not getting a chance either, I'm not sure if he's 100% from the playoffs or whatever it is, but he's also scored zero goals in 16 games for the Canucks this year. Hey, I'm fine with him coming in and playing. I just don't know if he's gonna provide you what you're waiting for. This team needs a push up the lineup. They need some more firepower to be able to play up top the lineup. I'm sorry, but Coles is not gonna be that answer. Our steep aims is not that answer. Maybe one day they'll be that answer, but that day is not today. And that's the conundrum again that you're pointing towards, big in terms of options that you have outside of this lineup. There aren't a ton and it kind of comes down to again, these guys finding a way, especially number 40. Let's continue on the foam boards and let's go to Langley where we have J on the line. Jay, thanks for calling in. And what are your thoughts here tonight? - That means Jay. - Yes, Jay, we got you, buddy. - Okay, so by the way, where's Vic? - Vic, I'm trying to figure that out too, but yeah, it's Jay here. - Jake, not Jay, okay, okay. Jay, I got you buddy. - This is a Vic Vic moment anyway, for me today. But honestly, I'm not even that pissed off about the game. My whole mentality going into this was to get a split out of this series. And we got a split in that maintain and that was good enough for me. Yeah, it would've been nice to go up 3-1. Yeah, it was great. We tied it up and some fortune that we blew it. But I'm just a quick little homework assignment for you guys before I just get off here. Who do you think the six people Rick Talkett was calling out are, and I'm just gonna hang up here and great show guys here. - Thanks, man, appreciate it. So the six players, one Patterson, we already established that, and others are asking. - We're making assumptions, but yeah. - Yes, okay, there are people texting in. You guys aren't mentioning Patterson might be hurt. Okay, Patterson might be hurt for those saying, okay. Whether you feel like that excuses things or not, people are saying you guys aren't mentioning that if there might be an injury going on. Okay, it's been mentioned, disclaimer. Maybe there's an injury. - So only I was playing 20 minutes. You have to contribute something. - Nonetheless, he's probably one of the five or six guys. Lafferty's number two. - Yeah. - Mikayev. Played 1233. - Sure, yeah, okay. I was gonna say Heronic. Heronic 4. Cole looks a bit shell-shocked. - Yeah. - Right? Like he looks, you know, he doesn't look like the veteran. They brought in with loads of playoff experience. I mean, he played Carlson and Omon late in the game. - Yeah, so it's not them. I mean, tonight, maybe Miller tonight. But I suspect he would give him a pass. 36% of the draw tonight for JETE Miller. - Yeah, I mean, Booger only played 11 minutes. - He's been good enough JT that I would give him a pass on a night, even though it's playoffs and everything like that. Is he one of the ones that you're reaching for meeting? - He's mentioned Pew Souter before. I know he's had some chances. He's been kind of quiet recently before. Like, is he mentioning him maybe? Like, it's just guessing here, right? Like to answer the question. - I think there's five obvious ones. And then you're kind of searching for the sixth one. - Yeah. - But yeah, that, I mean, those stand out in a big way. - Yeah, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. And I think those are probably the guys. And, you know, those are guys that have to be a lot better. Now, there's some that are not like the others. Again, it comes back to Elias Patterson having to be better. But there are a lot of people texting in too. - Blue guy, by the way, six and oh, in the draw talk. - Yeah, he went six for six in the face-off circle. So he did fine in that regard. And, you know, somebody texted in too. I'm sorry if I'm not crediting you. I think it was Jay, the plumber or somebody else. No, not Jay, the plumber. Jay, plumber Jay says, "Tired of the narrative, "PD needs better wingers. "He's a power play one, gets a ton of ice time. "Play with everyone, has four points, "two secondary assists. "Line mates are not PD's problem. "PD is PD's problem. "That's plumber Jay." And somebody else said, "Put PD on the fourth line." Well, he took some fourth line shifts technically. Like he was playing with Almond and Blueger for a couple of shifts late in the third period. I don't know if that's demoting him to the fourth line, but, you know, those are the guys he was playing with in the last couple of minutes. All right, let's go back to the foam boards. And let's go to North Van, where we have Stewart on the line. Stewart, thanks for calling in, buddy. Now, we're up against the clock here, so get what you can eat to get in, but don't go too long, all right, my friend? All right, cheers. Yeah, I appreciate you guys having us always. I mean, geez, it wouldn't be an emotional, Canucks fan experience if you didn't, you know, tie the game and then give it up on a selfie right afterwards. But, I mean, yeah, no, honestly, I'll start with what Tockett said. And it's so refreshing to have a coach like that in this market who's just saying it like it is. And forget about there being a couple of passengers, there were about seven or eight guys who missed the night boss in West Georgia. They weren't even passengers on the bus. They were just completely out to lunch. And I'm sorry, but if we're still in late round two, thinking about, oh, who can we play with PD? Who can play? Again, the last caller had it. It's a PD problem. And I won goal in 10 games. I'm sorry. If he's injured, rest him. You know, Demko is maybe 90%, but he's not playing. He's resting. If Pedersen isn't able to play, I don't get it. I do worry. And again, in 10 years, we can discuss the contract and all that. Speaking of contracts, Haronek was eight by eight. I won eight by eight, but you have zero points. You have had a horrible playoff so far. I do worry. Like, honestly, signs the door off, sign Joshua. They've been fantastic. They've been guys actually driving play. Haronek, you've played yourself out of that insane contract that you were asking for back in February. And, you know, something I call about back in the late season first round was that, you know, whatever happens with this team, it is terrifying that at this point, if we get to the third round, and I said this against when we were playing Nashville, if we get to the second round, we cannot continue what we're doing. If we get to the third round, it's compounded. God forbid we get to the Stanley Cup finals, and we're still questioning, Pedersen has two goals. Who's he playing with? Like, that is a reality I and none of us want to live in. And that's what's concerning because you look at how, I mean, looks like Dallas is going to win their series. And if we get to the third round and open up in Texas on the road, we are going to get smoked in four. And I mean, a lot of passengers tonight, I mean, you know, eating coal, I feel like he just always wakes up in the wrong sense of bed and just, you know, has had a very unfortunate playoff so far. But yeah, there were a lot of people as passengers. I mean, Miller, a lot of them, he never gives up. He had a rough game that penalty wasn't great. I know it wasn't fully his fault. I turned my buddy tonight, and I said, if we don't score in this four minute power plate, it's going to come back to bite us and you know what? And it absolutely did. I mean, I know about the game start with delayed because they had to let Boston and Florida wrap up, but boys, game started at 6.45. Y'all didn't start playing until about 8.30. So hang up and listen, what do you guys got to say? - Hey, thanks for the phone call. The one thing I would say though, is if you get to the conference final, no matter how you get there, I wouldn't be too upset about it. - You make a third round, you've had a successful season. - I mean, it's already been a successful season based on what it's-- - Sure, in general, like massive success if you get to the third round. - It's so hard, you don't know injuries and all these things. Usually teams are going to look at it and be like, man, we're a final four, job well done this season. I know people will like, hey, I have a standard of a standard cup, I get that. But the hell it takes to get to the third round even, teams are just like thankful to get there. - Well, and to the point steward, and I understand what he's saying, there are things they have to clean up and get better at. There's no doubt, but people were saying that, hey, after Nashville, if they play the same way against Edmonton, they'll get smoked and it's two, two, three, four games. - And still a long time, long way to go on this series. - One other thing on the heroic thing, I thought heroic was exceptional in game one. The last three have really struggled. And yeah, it's zero points now for heroic though, to play offs, you know, for me, he had the most at stake coming into this series. 'Cause if he's not part of the solution of playing up against McDavid and dry settle, because you're forced to a decision this summer, you have to come to a conclusion on what he is for you. And right now through four games, it's leaving a lot to be desired. And especially if you're gonna play next screen use, I don't know if enough is being done there to show that you own the role of next to Quinn use for however many years coming forward. And every duo has a more dominant side and he looks like the sidekick. He doesn't look like an equal partner. He is the Robin to Quinn's batman, the Garfunkel to Quinn Simon, the Ouija to Quinn's Mario, and he's Tom to Quinn's Jerry. - Wow, you went through the gambit on that one. - Well done. - I did a bunch the other day. - You know, you remember, good. Right off the top of your head, not bad, well done, well done. I also think one of the things that he's done really, really struggled with is a simple thing for him. Generally, he's keeping the puck in a blue line. How many pucks are bouncing off a stick of the blue line? - They had one today where they had some zone time. And it just, it wasn't even like a difficult clear by Edmonton or a bouncing puck or something like that. It was right before the Garland goal. And it just, it mishandles it. And it's like the puck had too much force on it. Didn't look like it was a heavy puck or anything like that. And just, you think it's one of those moments, keep the puck in the zone. Just keep putting the pressure on them. They'll crumble, they'll crack. Obviously they did. But there's been too many of those moments in just odd decision-making at times for Quinn, so far these last three years. - Not as clean as he was before, and it's tough. They need better from him for sure. This text says, "Management should have waited "to sign Pedersen like they did with Heronic, "could have gotten the boat at a 20% discount "with the way these playoffs are going for them." I don't think so. I think for Heronic, we always-- - He was certainly not with Pedersen, he played it. Again, you need two willing partners to sign a contract. - One, and the other part about Pedersen, it's also what he's done to this point. Like even if he had this playoffs, he's still getting the same contract as offseason. And if Vancouver's not paying it, somebody else's. Like the money, it wouldn't change one way or another. For Heronic, I think the thing that's occurred is, and we push back on this notion the entire time during a regular season, right? Like how many times are we talking on a post-game show? We're like, do people talk about 8 million for Heronic? I'm not there, man. Even when he was on pace for 60 points, we were pushing back on, I don't know, I don't think he's an 8 million dollar player, and people are texting in and saying, "Hey, you gotta keep 'em, look how good he is. "You don't get a 50/60 point defenseman very often, "look how well he's playing with Quinn." And it's like, "Well, he's not a good run, "but he's not as good as it looks." Like he hasn't been that great. And I now, I think it's kind of normalized. And I do think he's playing with an injury. Like we mentioned with Pedersen maybe banged up. Like I do think that Heronic has a similar thing, but he's the player that in the second half of the season, I would agree, has probably lost the most steam on getting a massive contract. I still think he's getting north of 50 million. Like he's getting, whether it's in Vancouver or elsewhere, he's getting close to 7 million somewhere on term. That's happening, but if Alan lost his age and truly believes he's gonna get 8 million per year, I don't know about that. - He's pushing 60 million, I'd be stunned if it's here. - Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be here if it's that type of money. I just don't see it. All right, we are gonna get to more of your phone calls on the other side and more of your text messages. Plus, we'll hear from Canucks players' post-game and Ian Magatire in the last segment from Edmonton. You are listening to the Canucks Central post-game show presented by the number five orange of Vancouver legend. They've got sports too. 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(upbeat music) - Welcome back to the Canucks Central post-game show presented by the number five orange. A tough loss in Edmonton and game four for the Canucks at three to defeat the final goal coming in the dying seconds to give Edmonton the edge. Series is tied now at two games, a piece, game five from Vancouver on Thursday. Keep getting your thoughts in as always to our Dunbar number text in the box, 650-650. We are gonna get to the foam boards coming up in a second, 604-280-0650 or toll free, one triple eight, two, seven, five, zero, six, 50. Man, there's a lot here on the text in the box. This one here aims and envy. The goal these storylines in this series have been insane. Just imagine Demko coming back for game six or seven to help the Canucks win the series. Now that will be a storybook ending. Ames and envy, I'm guessing that's North Van. But as far as-- - It's a quick map. - My deduction skills are top notch, let me tell ya. But where at Demko, when Demko's gonna come back is going to be fascinating. He has been ramping up more, taking shots of practice and getting more engaged and involved. Is he gonna be available by the end of this round? I'm not quite sure. Is that something that you're looking at right now and saying, man, if the Canucks had had Demko and Net to be a different result right now tonight? - I think tonight is, again, this isn't about Shiloh's being poor, but I think tonight is definitely a one I look at where the result flips Shiloh's is in. Or if Demko is in for Shiloh's. - You think they win this one? - Yeah, I mean, two of the goals go off, she loves. - Yeah, one's a bit, I mean, he's coming across on-- - No, I know, but for me, like, Demko, we were talking about 5% difference. And Shiloh's has been fantastic. I've been the biggest supporter here on these airwaves. But, and it's not that he was poor, it's that I think that's the little gap where Demko is kind of on top of things, seeing things before and understands what guys are gonna be. I just think he's a little bit sharper than Shiloh's. - But, I mean, the kid's been fantastic. - He's been great, that last goal maybe, right? Like, kind of goes through him too. - Yeah, and now with their screens and all these things, but-- - But his issue has kind of been tracking the puck too and picking it up. And if you look at some of the goals that are going on-- - Streams are harder for goalies, right? - It's always like when we're talking about like quarterbacks, like, oh, when he's under pressure, he's bad, it's like, well, every quarterback is worse under pressure. - Well, yeah. - He struggles with screens, like, well, every goalies struggles with screens. - He needs a system, it's like, well, yeah, if you don't know what you're doing, you might be hard for a quarterback to know where to throw the ball, like, come on. - And that's why, listen, I like what Shiloh's has done a lot, right? And I see a lot of people texting, and honestly, like, we're not even like reading half these text messages that are pretty insane, like, some of them are like, trade Patterson tomorrow. - A lot. - Now, a lot of people feel that way, and they're like, that's very difficult. - That's kind of insane, that's true, go ahead. - I'll read this one. Great show, guys. Can we please talk about Patterson needs to be traded before the mega contract kicks in, superintendents, Steve. - Steve, I'm singling you out, but you're not the only one that's texted that in. - Yeah, you take the bullet for getting it read, but there's tons of those messages. - First one through the door always gets the buddies. - But there's lots of those messages, and there are lots of messages, too, that have come in over the past few games that say, "Connects to trades that your Demko this offseason, and then makes Shiloh's the number one guy," which part of me says, "All right." Like, gotta relax a little bit on those things, because it's not that simple, you know what I mean? Like, it's not that simple that you're just gonna put somebody in there, and the next thing, you know, it's going to make this big difference for you. But I do think in terms of how things went tonight, I don't know if I'm hanging on the goal-tending, necessarily. They gotta find a way to generate more offense, they gotta get more from their top players, and I think with the way things have gone with Shiloh, so far, this playoffs, I don't know if there's a rush to run to Demko. - Certainly not. - And for all the talk about how good Shiloh's has been, I think gotta be careful about the whole day, "Hey, trade Demko this offseason, you're good to go." I think Shiloh still has a lot of areas in his game that he has to improve on. I don't think he's a finished product yet, and I don't know if you can just go all of a sudden go from, "He's played a good 7, 8, 9 games in the playoffs, too. He's gonna play 60 games next year in a regular season." Like, I don't think you can be there already. You gotta be careful not to get too hyped on a small sample going in too ahead of yourself. I think it's premature to do the Pedersen stuff, and I think it's premature, I mean, trade Pedersen stuff. You can criticize Pedersen. - That's not premature. That's just ludicrous. - And also, I think the whole trade Demko thing and go to Shiloh's right now, I think it's premature as well. - Yeah, I mean, you go to accomplish significantly more to even consider that. 650, 650, we talk about changes, steady and abby. How many times do I need to say this? Lotto line and third line back together. He means Blooger with Garland and Joshua Lindholm. Makes every line better, put him with Pedersen and get that going. We can't have a lot of line and Lindholm with Pedersen. - We can't do both. - So I think it's a lot of line, and so Lindholm with-- - Blooger and Kaev and somebody? - Well, to me, that's just like a rearranging deck chair. It's just putting Lindholm in line. - But also, Rick Talkett, I heard it the other day, it just sounds like he hates the Lotto line idea. He just not a fan of it, and they put him together, game two, and they got crushed. Yeah, they got crushed at the end of the third period. So I think if you're asking for the Lotto line, you're holding on to a memory from five years ago. That's how long Lotto line was, five years ago. That was the last time they were truly affected. - And the coach is completely out of it, out on it. Like he's not out, he's like, "Hey, I've tried them a lot." And people keep referencing the winning streak they had, the five games they won, and those guys had a bunch of points in a few games. But every time they've tried them since then, it has not yielded good results. It just hasn't. - Bill from Buffalo, 10 playoff games, one goal for Patterson. Despite power play one time, every other good opportunity. Why is he getting all that prime time? Garland and Joshua should replace them on power play one, Bill from Buffalo. - Yeah, that's nice, not a bad one. - We're reading the text, we're reading the text. - Gersh from Surrey, I love you guys a show, but your guys are out to lunch thinking Demko would have won us this game. Edmonton had a second string goalie and would generate a no offense. He barely had 20 shots, Petey can't be scratched, but he should be benched on the power play. She loves his or a guy right now, Gersh from Surrey. I mean, like who are you putting on the power play if they take Petey off? Here's the thing, take Petey off the first unit power play, who are you putting on? - Present, look, I read the Bill from Buffalo text, because he presented a solution, it's like who did that? - Sometimes the idea sounds great. - Okay, well, what's the outcome? - Yeah. - And we tried Garland on the first unit power play, you saw it, and he wasn't a threat, they left him alone. - That's why Lindholm was out there now. - There aren't options. And if you think Demko would have made a difference, fair enough. The point Big was making was on the goals, if you look at it, hey, the weaknesses kind of on the tracking side of it, could he have made a difference tonight, perhaps? I thought Shilov's also made a number of big saves, like in the third, we mentioned this a bit earlier, but when the game was 2-1, on that power play Edmonton had, that was a big kill for the Canucks, and the reason they killed it is because Shilov's made two or three big saves, especially on Hyman and Cloe. So, I mean, he was up to the task, he gave the Canucks a chance to get back in this game, they're just the ones that kind of coughed it up late. All right, we'll get to more of your tax messages coming up in a little bit here. Let's go to the foam board 604-280-0650, you're toll-free, 1-888-275-0650. And let's go to Surrey, where we have Blake on the line. Blake, thanks for calling in, what do you have for us tonight? - Hey, Satin, Big, how are you guys doing tonight? - Good, man, what do you have for us tonight? - Good, good. I actually didn't get to watch any of the game, I was reffing Ball Hockey, so I was just... - Attable, you're sacrificing to make sure others can play this more. - Well done, yeah, big shout-out. - Yeah, so, yeah, I was relying on updates all night, so I'm not as upset as everyone else. I mean, I was at an area that had a viewing party, so I saw everyone get excited when the Canucks tied it. And then, of course, Bouchard wins it late, so that's a bit disappointing, but I'm not as upset as everyone else. What I really wanted to ask you guys was, what do you guys think the Oilers are gonna do with their goaltending situation going into game five as Chris Nalblak said after game three, that whether Stuart Skinner gets in in game four, game five, he will play again in the series. Now that the owners have won, you can't really pick her out for game five, so if they play in game five and they lose, what are they doing in game six? I'll hang up and I'll let you guys speak. Love your guys' work, and I'll talk again soon. Thanks, Appreciated, man. Thanks to the phone call. That's big calling up to refereeing. I'm officiating, yeah. We criticize NHL officiating, but lower levels. Need more officials. Could be a future NHL ref right there. Okay, quick sidebar. So I'm not at kids' games a lot, but I have a partner and stuff, and I've been around to a lot of games and stuff, and I see it. I see a lot of people getting out of fish out of kids' officials. Oh, man, I go to enough. You see it too, because I know you have like, you have nephews that play sports. I'm there at rinks or fields over the weekend. And I never say anything, because I'm just like, you know what, I'm not going to get into it. It's a bad scene. But it's bad. And if you're one of the people that's yelling at kids' referees and stuff like, please get a life. And also-- For the love of God, please check yourself. And look, we talk about professional refereeing. Yes, different story. Yes. But, and I know what happened. Vancouver Giants have done a refereeing. I thought it was fantastic promotion. Great idea. Because one of the things you want to solve the problem of officiating, oh, at the pro level, you need to embrace and cultivate a culture of encouraging people to join officiating at the grassroots level and training officials at the grassroots level. That's how you solve the big problem. Yeah. Anyways, what was the call? Oh, the goal of attending with the Oilers. I can't imagine they go off a picker. No, I mean, if they were the loss you probably would have, but they'd probably go back to Pickard again. And honestly, like, they didn't-- I couldn't test Pickard enough. And I thought Pickard kicked out a lot of rebound and they were available for Vancouver. You know who you reminded me of? Casey the Smith. Yeah. But also, not as clean as the Smith. No, like a discount person. He's going to Smith. Yeah. And for those texts, he's more of a third stringer than ended up being the backup this year. Like, coming into the year, he was their third string. They would prefer Jack Campbell to be starting, but that's not a reality. And honestly, I mean, as much as the reason, I mean, now obviously it's different, but the main reason they ended up going with Pickard over Campbell is because it was cheaper on the cap for them to send Campbell down and have Pickard as the backup. So that was probably the main reason why they sent Campbell down, too. And yeah, they needed him to rebuild this game, but they were so capped out that their little extra relief they got to go from Campbell to Pickard was something they needed by the end of the season. So we'll see what happens here coming up for game number five. All right. Let's continue on the foam boards. And let's go to Richmond, where we have Bill on the line. Bill, thanks for calling in. What do you have for us tonight? Hey, guys. Went to the preview party tonight. Nice. It was fun and everything else as well. You know, the kids enjoyed it. But, you know, I'm pretty sick and tired of hearing this whole tet or something. And I think, you know, just double shift the guy. Throw him on the ice. Give him 35 minutes ice time if he needs it. I'm done. Like, this guy's got to show up. And you know what? If he's breathing heavy, doesn't matter. Double him up. You know, triple. I don't care. Get him on the ice. Make an example out of him. He wanted the 11 and a half. He got it. Put your big boy pants on. Talk it, set it. You know, there's a whole bunch of passengers. He's talking about PD, right? The guys need to wake up. But they're not sure if it's the playoffs. It's PD, right? His body language says it himself. He's flopping around like a freaking giraffe out there. You know, again, it's just I'm sick of it. I'm just tired of it. Get, like, we can't get rid of this guy. No one's going to touch that contract. And if they do, they're going to ask for a heavy discount. Don't know what else to say. I'm just so sick of it. Just watch like he is capable of so much more. And we've seen it. We've seen his genius. We've seen his his his ability, but it's just it. There's nothing left now. It's I think it's either you go all in with this kid and you make an example out of him. It's like go time and we're waiting for you. And it's your show. So I'll hang up and you got to do an phenomenal job every night after the post game. I love listening to you guys. Hey, appreciate it, Bill. That's Bill and Richman calling in. So two things, Bill. One, somebody would take that contract very willingly. Yes, but never that. But the point is it comes out of this place of frustration. However, I will say, Bill, to compliment you here, that is the most proactive idea we've heard tonight. Better than benching him. Double shifting him. I heard that. My eyebrows raised. It's like, you know what? That's not a bad idea. We're complaining about like, oh, man, he's playing out there with your lafferty and all these guys. And it's just not going to work. So OK, find some of the shifts from him. That's that's that might be the best idea we've heard tonight amongst the angst and frustration. Yeah, it's not a bad one. I will give you that. I don't think that was a bad one. You know what? Whatever reminded me of. He said, just keep double shifting him. So remember when the ConnectSign Matt Sundine back in 2009? It's going back 15 years ago now. Here's a bit of a history lesson for those that don't remember 15 years. We were the ConnectSign Matt Sundine. He had taken half the season off, right? Matt Sundine reference catches that plus 9-2 to it. To this big contract. And just as they signed him, they won their first game with Edmonton, and then they went on this like nine game losing streak. Remember? And it culminated and I went over Carolina that saved L.A. and Bienio's job, right? His job was on the line. But there was a game, and I forget which one it was in that mix, but it was a game they were playing really poorly, getting outplayed. I can't remember exactly who it was they were playing. But it was towards the end of the game. And the last like 20 minutes, last 18 minutes a game, I think Sundine played like nine minutes. The coaches kept throwing him out there. He's like, this guy looks like he needs to get in shape. Just every second shift. And it would be funny because Sundine was like exhausted. He'd do like a 20 second shift. And then Bienio would throw him out there again, the next shift afterwards again. And just kept throwing him out, kept throwing him out. And eventually he kind of got into shape again, but it just kind of made me think about that. And sometimes maybe what you need to do is just keep throwing the guy out there as opposed to putting him, stapling him to the bench. Yeah, but this isn't January and February. No, it's a different story to win to shape. No, you can't do that, but it made me funny. Not that I think that idea is going to come to fruition, Bill, but I do think it's one of the more proactive ideas we've gotten tonight. But also to the point that he made, Patterson was double shifted in the last like 10 minutes of the game. Like he got a lot of shifts last like 10 minutes of the game like he was. I think those were saying more for sure. I'm saying like they did like the, you know, just, you know, on the game script that did happen tonight. Still gonna find a way back. I mean, technically they find a way back. He doesn't get into this on the, or no, he didn't get into this because it was credited to he would have been the third assist. Right, but he makes a, you know, fighting play on the Joshua goal. Well, he does. All right, let's continue on the foam boards. Let's go to Victoria where we have Ammon on the line. Ammon, thanks for calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? Well, a few thoughts. First of all, thanks for taking my call. Fantastic show as always, fellas. Thank you. Yeah, no worries. That's all good. Listen, I wanted to chime in a little bit on the PK. I think this theory is becoming more and more about that, about special teams. And I think over all the talks, you know, they've been pretty disciplined, considering, you know, what's looming above them if they aren't. J.T. Miller even mentioned it the other day after the last game, that they seem to be scoring late in the power play. And I disagree with, I think it was a big earlier of saying, you know, that Denko would have been made a difference today. I, you know, she lost, was by far their best panily killer. And that's, you know, what you need to go playoffs from your goalkeeper. Having said that, I thought he tracked the puck decently on that trisoto goal. He just, you know, he was there. He just missed to his club. So, you know, he was positionally, he was there. And, you know, he was aggressive with the position. And even Rudy mentioned that. But I think this is a resilient club. You know, the fact that they came back and tied it, that's been kind of their core value throughout the season. And especially in the playoffs. And they showed it again by tying it. I was dumbfounded when they tied it. I was shocked that they did. I don't think they, you know, at the end of the day, this kid saves them again. If you look at how you chance it. Oh, I think we just lost almond after Victoria. Thanks for the full call. Good run, good run. I get what he was trying to say. He said, he thought she loves her better. Best panily killer. He was good on the P.K. She loves was incredible, right? I'm not denying any performance from she loves. But we understand if Demko is healthy, he's a Vesna candidate, right? He's one of the best goalies in the world. We're talking about small edges here. Demko, assuming he's healthy to play, gives you a massive edge. Wait, like, yeah, and that's the thing, right? And you know, somebody texted us, we quickly forgot what happened with Spencer Martin. It's like, he had a good early run. I was like, man, this guy's amazing. And then, you know, things kind of fun. I'm not saying she loves the same way. But I'm just saying, it's easy to get enamored with a new goal, these hot run. And then it's seeing like what we're seeing now is going to continue and he's going to get better. It's like, it's not that simple. But we know from Demko, it's like, he has a peak that Vesna Caliper. And when he's on that peak, there's very few that get past them, right? So I think that's the point that you're making more than anything else. It feels like Demko is Dr. Dre here. They forgot about Dre, man. I forgot about Demko. So I saw this on Twitter. I forgot about Demko. @crusty027, Ken Henderson. And he says he has an idea. And he's been bringing this up a few times that the Canucks should pull Zadorov on Patterson's wing, like Buckflin. Okay, I can get where people are coming from with this. But here's where-- Ken tweeted this a lot. Yeah, he's brought us up a few times. Hey, listen, I appreciate the creativity. And I'm all for presenting ideas. My only thing I would say about this is, Bufflin was a freak of nature. And Bufflin's ability to forecheck, play along the boards, be a playmaker, play him from the net, was very high level. That's why he could play wing and defense, right? I don't know if Zadorov has the same traits, like he's a big body. Sure, he skates well for a big guy. Yes, has a good shot. Yes, all those things. But he's not nearly as good a puck handler or playmaker as Bufflin was. Bufflin's playmaking a puck handling, rare combination. We're talking about a guy who put up points, massive points. Marks for creativity. And if you want to try it at times, sure, I'm all for it. They put Zadorov net front, remember against Nashville. Yeah. Take the time goal when they pull the goalie. I'm all for it. That was chaos time, though. 100%, 100%. But if you wanted to have done that, you got to experiment that in January. Exactly. You're not doing that now. And I would say Bufflin was a rare breed. And I don't see the same skill set as Zadorov that Bufflin had. And I think that's the main thing to keep in consideration here. And I think people forget how many different things Bufflin could do and how well he handled the puck for a big guy. He played down low really well. Like, that's one of the things Bufflin did. Like, he played down low along the walls. Like, he could do a lot of different things. He's in the rare file of like-- Like, Brent Burns tried doing that, right, though, the flip. Or then he finally, whoa. Yeah, they did it in Minnesota with them more. And once they went to San Jose, he just played defense. There's so few guys that are really ever able to do that. And the common theme here is Bufflin, big-time producer. Brent Burns, like, point-for-game defense. But like, there's a level of skill in town those guys have. And that can translate doing the other way. I just don't know if Zadorov could do the same thing. What else are you seeing in the text in the box? 650, 650. We apologize. We haven't gotten to this. So many. Jimmy and Vancouver, Lafferty, McKay have no emotion. Have to be sat out. They need to try someone else. They have many other players to choose from. Thanks. This one unsigned. Petey, playing like a cell of himself. Tough look. Really getting worried he's not built for this kind of play up hockey. Fought so hard to get back into this game just to blow it in the last minute. Hopefully, it's not a momentum killer. Might not look good for the rest of the series. 650, 650. Colton and Kamloops talk at hint that line up changes for game five. What do you think is most likely line up change changes? Dean Sheppy back in with the team tomorrow. Maybe put Colton gets a look. Our whole grander draws back in. Maybe he keeps Juleson in. Although I think we all cringe on that second goal. Yeah, well, Susie definitely back. Yeah, that one's for sure. Susie for Juleson is the easiest one. 20 minutes to Juleson play tonight. Jules play like 14, I think? Oh, good shout. 1425. 1425. We were. What was the number? You and I were talking about pre-show. So, yeah, we put the over-under at like 12 and a half. 13 and a half minutes. Hey, we're pretty good. Not bad, pretty good. Pretty close. And honestly, I was surprised he was out there in the last few minutes of the game too. Like, connecting the tie and goal and he was out there. So the coach didn't hate what he did tonight. Honestly, like, outside of the one play, I thought he was fine. But the one play was like killer. Well, the thing with Juleson's been like, it's been the one play. Yeah. When we think of his mistakes this year, they've been carving copies, right? Going for a hit, getting himself out of position, and there's a two-in-one going the other way. Like, that play has happened a half a dozen times this year, if not more. And that's kind of those are backbreakers, right? And unfortunately, that happened. But I think Hoaglander's got to get in. You talk about not being able to create enough offense. And I'm not saying Hoaglander's a solution, but you sent the message. Two games he was out. Lafferty ain't doing anything. Like, McCabe's ain't doing anything. Oh, man. Oh, man. Significantly less than noticeable tonight. No, he was, again, him and Blueger play with Patterson late. They're trying to get a tie and goal. Those guys got out there, right? Yeah. Does Carlson come out? I think Carlson worked hard, but I thought his lack of pace today. I think it was a bit more exposed at times tonight. I think PDG and Hoaglander go right back in. Yeah. PDG, like it was-- I put Hoaglander in for sure. Personal thing. Yeah. The expectation is he's back with the team tomorrow, obviously, and ready for game six or game five. I think we see the same lineup we saw on the home games. Yeah. As close as you can. 100%. No, I'm there with you. All right, let's take one more phone call before we hit the break here. We are getting it to Ian McIntyre. A more post game audio from Canucks players as well. But let's go to Vane Kuber, where we have George on the line. George, thanks for calling in. What do you have for us tonight, buddy? Oh, great. How was the pleasure? And I have to say, your show is very therapeutic for Canucks fans. Hey, it's therapeutic for us to attend. Yeah. We're going to talk it out. Really awesome show. Awesome show. A lot of good points. So I'll make two points. My usual cold cut start. And we all know it colded tonight without failure to clear the puck. Direct, we led to penalty by J.T. Miller and how he's dealing with the power play, which is lethal. So don't know what to do about that situation. We're a little light on strong defense. I think we can see which leads me into a bigger point, which nobody's talking about. And be it for me to criticize the Jack Adams finalist. But I wonder if we really do have a cohesive strategy to kind of neutralize two extremely elite hockey players. This has come up a number of times over the years, where a team gets up against another team with superstars that are far better than anybody else in the league. And those teams have to come up with original defensive strategies to overcome those things. So I'm optimistic this can happen. And there's a reason for it. Those two players, Dreyseidel has 10 points in four games. And McDavid has six. You got two players that are basically dominating the Edmonton Oilers offense. And I don't have a sense that the talk has a game plan to deactivate those two players. I saw a couple of plays. I mean, we saw Dreyseidel's patented sideshot power play goal. He's done that a number of times. That shouldn't be a surprise to anybody that's about to happen. Why does not somebody stuck to him with Superglue? I don't know. And then I saw Conor McDavid. He went around Blueger in her end zone, like it was an adult playing Peewee hockey. He was shocking. And I didn't see anyone following him around. So one of the strategies is you mark players like that. You assign a player, that player has one job. You follow that player around and stop him from getting the puck or passing it. So we'll see it. It'll be a little easier in Vancouver when we have the matchups. Then we've got to go back to Edmonton and deal with the situation again. But something has to be done with number one, Dreyseidel and number two, Conor McDavid. Those two players who look forward to hearing Ian McIntyre. As always, thank you gentlemen. Take care of it. Hey, doing good. Thanks, George. Thanks for your phone call. So I think, I mean. Did he say we're doing good? I wasn't sure because it was a fascinating great deal. He said you're doing good. Out. Out in a hurry. You want to go first or should I? Well, I was going to say the thing I was going to say on Dreyseidel and McDavid, they're scoring five. They're not really scoring a ton of five on five. It's happening on the power play. The problem with the power play is this is why they're so good on the power play. Everybody knows what's coming, but they make it so unpredictable how they get there. And the way guys attack space, you're forced to get out of position. I don't know what else they can do on the power play because I think the power play, the most person at a pretty good job, but they still giving up five goals on nine tries or 10 tries now. Yeah. So I tracked this just to the point of what he was talking about. Since Rick Talkett was hired, right? So this is going back to even last season. The Canucks had played the Oilers three times coming into this series and points per game for Conor McDavid, the Canucks had done the second best job. Only Dallas had McDavid at less than a point of game. Everybody else over a point of game. It was only three games, three games a season, but nevertheless, that's what it was coming to this series. And factual statement to say that Conor McDavid through the series had six points. Well, four of them are in one game. So the fact that they've held McDavid to zero points, one point, one point in three other games, that's a victory. It is. I know it doesn't sound like it, but it is. That is a massive victory. It is not appreciate like how much better this guy is of so many players. And honestly, I think five on five to the point that George made. And I think on PK, they don't do it, obviously, because it's different. But five on five, they have been pretty much man marking him. And if you look at when he's set up in the offensive zone, he essentially has one guy following him the whole time. And through the neutral zone, he constantly gets chipped. He constantly gets chipped with the body gets thrown at him. I think they're doing what they can. I think especially. So I just got a text from someone listening. Four of them are in each other. It's prefecially. This idea that on the PK, you can just pull one guy on him. Ovechkin has scored 500 from the top of the circle. You can't just put people on them. You can't. It's not that simple. It's if you do that. Okay, by the way, there's only one of them. Okay. That's one of them. Yeah. So let's say you do that. You're going to play four on three with McDavid running the show on the inside or dry. Well, yeah, I mean, you will get scorched. Yeah, so fast. You get McDavid run rough shot on a four on three and says so you go McDavid, Bouchard, and Hyman, for instance, and wherever else it's throughout there. By the way, right? Freshly shows over his nights down. He's like, no, I'm still competing out here. He's just like, we're putting in work. He's just like the number five orange. Still open, man. Ready to go. All right. Keep your thoughts coming into our text. Then box 656. It's a makeover legend, man. Yeah, he is 100%. All right. We'll get to more of your reaction plus player reaction on the other side. Annie and McIntyre as a Canucks central post game show continues presented by the number five orange on home here at Canucks Sportsnet 650. Hey, it's Big Nizzar. Have your say and join me on the people's show with big takes and even bigger bets. Weekdays three to four on Sportsnet 650 or wherever you get your podcasts. This is where Utah Canucks, you're listening to the Canucks central post game show on the official home of the Canucks. Sportsnet 650 and the Sportsnet radio network. Eugene Hopkins got it loose near corner. Four, Gay Harnay played it up. The boards are now here's Darnell Nurse with a step on Ian Cole the center. Nurse right wing into the Vancouver and low back-hander. Stop by She-Lops Cole. Please the read on behind the net comes to Nurse. She-Lops across to his left. Made a tremendous save on Darnell Nurse on the second opportunity. Right across to his post. Now Ian Cole nearly turns it over again in the slot. And he's able to fling it around the boards and all the way down the ice. Bicing waved off. Canucks can change where the Oilers breaking out. Canucks lose three, two and a heartbreaking fashion in Edmonton. Series now tied to two games a piece of sat and big on the Canucks central post game show presented by the number five orange. We are going to get to the text inbox in a second here, Bic, but into the phone boards in a second. But what are the people saying on the text inbox? Mike we made it close. Susie very indispensable. Canucks in six. V from POCO. Russian excitement after the tie-in goal. Only to be crushed seconds later back in where they missed Susie today. First period was terrible. It's not sustainable to have these slow starts. I hope they recoup. Brush it off. Bring it next game. Believing in blue. Jason Aquitlum. Tockets worst. Oh sorry, hang on. Uh Jason Aquitlum. Guys feel like the team is giving dry side of McDavid too much respect. Understand they're incredible players. Hardly pressuring them though. Looks like they set up and they're still playing on a power play 5 on 5. We didn't look great tonight. So it's incredible we came that close to pushing at this past 60. Still waiting for PD. Jesse from Bear Mountain. Tockets worst coach game of the season. Not giving PD line mates to succeed and not shortening the bench. One positive. She lobs is the backup next year in the goalie of the future. And last one here. Career journeyman from Larry Lowie. Career journeyman back up with the rebound issues. Canucks need to put more pressure on Pickard. They need to go full hurricane and fire from everywhere. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, I don't know if they have to fire from everywhere. I like creating quality chances. But obviously getting more shots and looks than they have so far. The previous caller called it and said why don't the Canucks do. You know, shut down McDavid and dry side a little bit more. People have reacted to that saying this team did do that. Dry side and McDavid at the beginning of the season. We neutralized them. It was it was done. And somebody else asked why is peterson that open like Leon dry settle makes him. What makes him so open? Totally BS. Well, I think he's really good at being able to shoot from impossible angles. Like he's usually wide open where you want to leave a guy open by the goal line late. And that's not a place where, you know, you see peterson oftentimes shooting the fuck plus he has Conor McDavid creating space for him, which is the best player on the planet. All right, we'll get to we'll try to get some more texts in. But let's go to the forum boards. Let's start things off here in kits where we have gourd on the line. Gourd, thanks for calling calling in. What are your thoughts here tonight? Hey guys, how's it going? Everything, what a night, what a game, what a comeback and then what a heart breaking loss. Where do I begin? I mean, we can talk about Edmonton's depth, our depth. But I just think that it's going to be I think it's going to go to seven to be honest with you. But I still look at like dry side on McDavid. I think we're doing great pulling them down. Of course, they're going to score majority of the points. But I hear people saying that, oh, we're not covering them enough. I mean, I see great defense in play. Yeah, we're not perfect, but no team is holding two of the best players in the league down like that and trying to hold them back. It's only from my viewpoint, it's only McDavid and dry side. That's doing anything for Edmonton. You look at Vancouver, our depth, everyone scoring on almost every line. Yeah, Garland's been doing a lot lately. Obviously, we want to see PD scoring so much more. But I think we're doing as good as we can. Yeah, last minute goal sucks. What can you do? That's hockey. It happens. But I think what we need for this team to succeed 100% is to be a bit tighter on, well, I would just need a little bit more depth scoring. And that's really it. Like we got this. I see this. I think no one thought we would go this far from start of the season. That's be real, right? So like to see them pushing like this against a team like Edmonton, who was basically the favorite to when the cup going in, this is great. Like, but we just need a little bit better depth scoring. Like Mackiah has been a no show all playoffs. I'd love to see Hoglander put up some five on five goals like he did all season. But they're just not showing up. And I think if they do show up, the series is in the bag. I don't think McDavid and dry side can do it alone. I think dry side has hurt. I think McDavid can't do it by himself if dry side has hurt. But we have to step it up on every level possible. Hey, great stuff, Gord. Thanks for calling in Gordon. Kids still have some belief in the Canucks. Now, let's take one more phone call here before we get to Ian McIntyre as well. Let's go to Calvin and Vancouver. Calvin, what are your thoughts here tonight? Hey, boys, can you hear me? Okay. Yeah, we got you. Cool. Yeah, I love the show. You know, I hear a lot about, you know, today. A lot of the call is being some really good points. And, you know, I'm a hockey fan in general. And of course, it connects then. But, you know, I, I'd say, frankly, go on a limited. Someone watched film over the past couple of days and someone didn't. If you listen to Elliot on 32 thoughts, I mean, he called it perfectly. He's like, you know, the connects have so much depth. But the thing is, when the ice gets tilted, you know, they really draw a small box. If you watch our forechecking, you compare it to theirs. We're two very different teams. But, and I want to hear your thoughts on this too. But if, you know, we draw a small little box in front of she logs there. And, and a fifth guy is kind of just strangling. And I really think that we need a bit of a chase and really need to get, they have way too much space for dry side of a have to be that close to she logs with that much time. You know, you need someone like Garland's just eat around and really, you know, at least put the stick on these guys. And really, I mean, I got to give to Edmonton. They played a decent game and it's like they heard everyone on Fortinet say that it's only the two of them that can play hockey. And so you got, you know, blue shards scoring one and using Hopkins scored one. But, you know, we need better forechecking around. And if you guys saw, I'm not sure if you saw this, but JT was really going at Besser just for fanning that one timer. And that's what you need. You need that to put conviction in these guys. If it's Carlson, you know, and that was a lazy penalty. That Carlson had because he didn't have enough gas to catch up. But you need guys like JT to step up and put conviction in these guys and say, you know, we're just as good as them. But, you know, we need to play with some depth or else. We're going to get run over for most of the game. So yeah, I want to hear your thoughts on that. But yeah, go Canucks. And I think we still have it, but we need a lot of conviction and we need talk to move some things around and just see how we can, you know, walk down on defense more. Right. Hey, great stuff, Calvin. Thanks to the phone call, Calvin and Vancouver. I do agree that there are things that can do better. We'll see what adjustments they do do make. But I do think like there's a lot better they can do in terms of the forecheck as well. Yeah, their best moments has been on the forecheck coming off passes. Like even the goal today, Joshua picks it off on the wall, works around. That's when they're at their best. Yeah, let's go to Edmonton and we're now going to close things out with the man we call the triple threat. You watch him on TV, you read him on digital, and you're about to hear him on radio. He is Ian McIntyre. Well, help out that Rick talking. Is that the angriest he's been in the playoffs? Yeah, I don't think he was angry at all. I think it's the most disappointed he's been in the playoffs. Coming off Mother's Day, he wasn't mad. He was just disappointed. Talk it unlike some of his players understands what's in front of them here. Understands the opportunity. And that this might be the best chance some of these guys ever have to win. Like if you, I know it's a learning experience. I know the team has done already gone farther than anybody thought. Getting six wins in the playoffs. They're halfway to a Stanley Cup if you look at it in those terms. But there's no guarantee. And I think what is frustrating for the coach is that when you have this opportunity, you may not be good enough, right? The Oilers may just be too much. McDavid is other than the one game has hardly done anything so far in the series. So maybe the Canucks aren't going to win, but you cannot let an opportunity like this go by without finding your best. And I thought that was a remarkable post game press conference by Talkit. And it's not the first time he's mentioned that they need to get other guys going. But it's the first time he's been this blunt about it. And of course, Pedersen is one of those. We don't know the five or six guys. I don't think it's hard to figure out that they're getting nothing from their bottom two lines. And that includes Pedersen, whose line is essentially the third line now. You know, Talkit has been imploring players. There's more in you. There's more to get. You got to find it. You might not think it's there, but it's there. And you know what? I'm going to say Rick Talkit knows. Because he's one cups as an assistant coach. He's one cups as a player. He understands what it takes. And you know, it's risky to be that honest. You're basically putting your authority on the line. You're potentially straining relationships with your players. Maybe some might feel there's a betrayal of trust. Although I hope that's not the case. If they feel that way, they're not going to win anyways. But I thought it was incredible what Talkit tried to do post game. You know, he was getting asked a lot of questions because you know, in some ways, it was a really positive loss. If there is such a thing that the Canucks yet again pushed their way back from two goals down in the third period played their best hockey when they were chasing the game nearly, nearly swept. Or at least nearly got to overtime with the chance to sweep the two games in Edmonton, which of course would have allowed them potentially to close out a series and go to a conference final, close out a series on Thursday. But they let it slip through their fingers. And I think, you know, nobody would, nobody should really be happy when you basically just switch off inexplicably for a minute after you just chased the game for 47 minutes. But the fact that they lost the game and in Talkit's opinion only had 12 guys out of the 18 skaters. I think that's, you know, it just reached enough is enough moment for Rick Talkit. Especially too, because he mentioned, even to the players, it was a video released by the Canucks. And he mentioned in the press conferences that it never gets easier. It's always going to get harder. And the message was sent to, hey, like you have to give more at every stage that you advance here, whether it's a game or series. And tonight, it's just exactly what you're saying. It's, yeah, you might lose Edmonton, but you really got to make them earn it. And there were elements tonight where they didn't really make them do that. Well, they just, they didn't, they didn't have everybody fully competing. Like you, you have to be willing to get to a puck, even if it means you get whack, you know, it's painful. You have to be willing to do things even when you're tired and do things that are that are hard. And I didn't think the Canucks were anywhere close to their, their basket tonight. I thought there were stretches. They were good. The middle 10 minutes of the second period, much of the third period, I thought they were good. But again, look at what's in front of you. Look at, look at what you're playing for. Understand, I mean, do you think the guys in, in, in 2011 who lost the Stanley Cup final on a president's trophy winning team? Do you think they thought that they would never get remotely close to a Stanley Cup again? Probably not, although they had some veteran players. So I think they probably understood better than this team. You know, how rare that opportunity was. You, you just can't, it's hard to get here. Right? We talk about it all season. It's hard to make the playoffs. It's really hard to make the playoffs and win around. Because now you're in the final eight, eight out of 32. And now the Canucks are halfway to the next stage. And as you say, Bick, because, you know, reminding us what Tock had said, it just gets harder and you have to be willing to not just embrace that as a concept, but then be willing to make it harder on yourself, to, to do whatever you have to do out of your comfort zone, no matter how painful it is, no matter how it may seem thankless it is. Because we're generally, we're not talking about finishing scoring chances, although the power play is a huge, was a huge issue tonight. But we're talking about all these things that happen, you know, around the nets and along the boards and often away from the puck, about what you do to block out or protect your ice or take away ice or. And then of course, the more obvious things like, you know, puck battles and taking hits and making hits. And the Canucks, you know, they, they are a physical team. They, they out hit the Oilers again, but there's still lots of instances where, you know, what did Tock had said, they're playing pause hockey, where guys are kind of looking and hesitating. Well, I don't know, that looks, you know, I'll take a big hit if I go there now, because look how hard that guy's coming. I mean, you, you, you have to fully invest if, if you're, if you're going to have success. It's been an incredible run. You know, the Canucks are farther than anybody thought they would be, you know, six, six wins into the playoffs. But they're not getting any further, they're not going any farther. The, the journey is going to be over. Unless as Tock at reference, they have more than 12 guys. Because you're not going to beat the Oilers two out of three times with 12 guys. Well, it's interesting and I agree with you the fact that they haven't played their best game yet. And I kind of remember if we talked about this separate game too, if we talked about it with Brett some other time through this series or these playoffs, but we're 10 games in. And I don't think either of us and Sat and I have discussed this, that I don't think we've seen the Canucks best game through 10 games. And yet here they are two and two in this series. Yeah, I mean, they were, they were pretty good in, in some of the, a couple of the national games for sure. And they've been pretty good in stretches, but they haven't had a full game against the Oilers. But you know, game six and Nashville was, was a great game for them. And then game two that they lost, you know, one of the few that they'd lost, where they dominated the predators. They were really good in that game. But, you know, part of the playoffs, it's that, you know, the other team is really good as well. So they're stopping you from being your best. And, you know, I want to make clear it, it's ideally, yes, you, you want to produce your A level five star best, you can play performance every night. That's, that's not really realistic. But what is more attainable is that you do everything in your power and sacrifice every night to try to make that happen. And I don't think talk it to seeing that from all of his players. No, not consistently enough, right? And now it poses a bunch of questions going into game number five. Number one, who are the guys that are going to get into the lineup? He hinted at a couple of changes. Perhaps we see Hoaglander back in. We'll see what PDG status is going to be in. Sushi is obviously going to be back and be ready to play on the back end again, in his usual spot after getting suspended for the game four in Edmonton here tonight. But what are you expecting to see from the team on on Thursday? And also what we see from the lineup. Do you see, do we see the lines also get juggled a little bit here? I, yeah, I think everything's on the table. I don't think you're going to see the top two lines. You're, we're going to see the Lindholm and Miller lines stay intact. I do think we're going to see a couple of guys on, on the fourth line. I think Lafferty for one will come out probably a mon as well. So you'll see a couple of guys go in. You mentioned Sushi. I wonder if, you know, do they, do they keep Juleson in the lineup and take call out? I don't think they will, but I think it's something that they'll, they'll discuss. And, you know, what do I expect? I, I, I expect that if this team wants to play hockey beyond this series, that they're going to have more than 12 guys on, on Thursday night, I would expect that you're going to see, you know, a, a full commitment to doing whatever they have to do. And again, it might not be enough. They might not produce their, their best form, but they need to produce their best effort. JT wouldn't talk about the power play and you briefly mentioned it, but, you know, it's one of the things I'm dreading on my rewatch of the game tomorrow, that four-minute stretch. You were there. Why did it look so ineffective? Because they don't move. They, they, they don't. First of all, Edmonton is killing penalties really well. As they did against L.A., right? They're, they make it difficult on you to gain the zone. It's not a free pass through the neutral zone to set up, but the, so that's part of the problem. But once the Canucks get across the blue line, they're standing still. And I, I've used this example, uh, before that for years, literally. Uh, and I remember Jim, it was Jim Hewson who said this. The Canucks were addicted to a zone entry of Henrik giving it to Daniel at the left blue line as they entered the zone. But what Daniel did is he moved forward with the puck immediately. So that now he's, he's other than creating angles to, to make a play with a puck. He's also creating space behind him. So there's options, right? Somebody can fill in there. You can go forward. You can go back. You can go across. So often when they get into the zone, whoever gets it is just standing still. Three feet in front of the blue line, inside the blue line. They get immediately closed down and now there's no option. You know, you can maybe try and just chip it past the guy and get it deeper in the zone, but you have to, you have to move your feet. You can't stand still. And I think if anything, if you look at the Euler's power plant, I know that, you know, Garland tonight, you said it might be the best power plant ever. And it might be because they've got two of the best, they've got the best player in the world. And another guy was in the top five on it. And they're both two of the best guys who's ever played a power play, playing it together. So they have, you know, this incredible talent, but they also have constant move. Connor McDavid is not just standing still trying to make passes. His feet are always moving. Angles are always shifting for the defenders. That's really hard to defend that way. It's pretty easy when five guys are standing still. And you have an idea because teams are so well coached, the pre scouting is so expensive now, you have an idea exactly what the other team is trying to do. And once you see them basically get stuck, you just, you pounce. You just close on them because you probably know where they're going to go with the puck. And the fact that they're not moving, it's not going to change any angles for you. It's pretty, it's so much easier to, to defend. So they got to move. Yeah, there's no question about that, Ian. And we look forward to seeing you in person again. Miss you a few days of being in the admittances. We'll see you in person on Thursday. And, and hopefully a better Canucks performance in a pivotal game five. Yeah, I hope so. And again, I hope, again, it's, it's, the performance is one thing, but it's the effort and the sacrifice and the physical investment that the players need to make. And, you know, there's half the team has never been in real playoffs. And we knew this was going to be a learning experience. And I just think that they have a chance to do more things, even more special than what they've already accomplished. And it would be a shame for them not to, not to have their best effort. And, you know, this might be the series on in game five. Yeah, no, it really could be. And I can't wait to see it in person here. And hey, it's a two, two series in round two. And it doesn't get any better than this. Two Canadian teams going head to head in game five, or what could be the pivotal one in this series. But Ian, thanks so much for your time. I know it's after 1 a.m. in admittances. We'll let you get to your hotel room and hopefully have a nice, safe flight back home to Vancouver tomorrow. All right. Thanks guys. Nice being on with you. As always a pleasure that is Ian McIntyre. Make sure to read his latest on sportsnet.ca. And we look forward to chatting with him on Thursday. Bick, great stuff on the show. People show coming up tomorrow, three to four on sportsnet. I'm out in Canucks Central 46 with Dan Reicho tomorrow as well. A lot to break down and a big game coming up on Thursday. Game five, Canucks and Oilers. Massive, massive 48 hours. And as a good friend, Brett, like to say, two hour rule. We've done two hours, go to sleep tonight, wake up and prepare for game five. And if you thought two hours wasn't enough, that's why we gave you two and two hours and 45 minutes tonight. So if that wasn't enough, you got to sleep it off. Sleep it off. That was what we did. We did. Yeah. I guess we always do. Yeah, but two hours. We are out here competing, man. Working hard, man. Doesn't matter. Not more than Eddie and Ben, though. No, fast, Eddie Gregory, working his butt off. Also Ben Bastren, both producing the show tonight. Fantastic work as always. Thank you all for listening, participating, calling in, being part of the show. It's always a pleasure. Can't wait to chat with you guys again tomorrow and on Thursday on Canucks Game Day. This has been the Canucks Central Post game show presented by The number 5 Orens on the Homier Canucks Sportsnet 650.
