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Joe Biden tells Michigan auto workers about tariffs on EV's from China but they really come from Mexico
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He's gonna talk in more depth about the infrastructure of the communists here in the United States of America. Oh, that and so much more coming up tonight on the world famous Jesse Kelly show. It's going to be an amazing night, an offensive night. And apparently that's the norm. Know how I always tell you, you can send us love, hate, death threats, ask Dr. Jesse questions for Friday and you can email, we love your emails. Email the show, jessie@jessiekellyshow.com. Well, the commies, they definitely use the email address and I'll never understand the concept of hate listening. I don't get it at all. I was told by my mentor, Michael Berry years ago, six years ago, when I first started doing media, he told me that the people who hate listen are actually your most loyal listeners. And I said, wait, what? He said, I'm not kidding. The people who hate you and hate the things you say, they will listen more and longer than the people who love the show. And because I was just starting out, I thought that sounded crazy, but it's so true. Who listens to something they hate? I don't listen to anything I hate. If I hate something, I'd turn it off. But we have all kinds, look at this one. Jesse, heard no, that didn't address me properly. Excuse me commies, you can call me Oracle or Shogun. Or what Chris, you can call me those. Anyway, she says, you are the most despicable, disgusting, racist, homophobic piece of filth. That's not nice. - Why are you gay? - That ever breathe air on the planet. I feel so deeply sorry for your children who have to have a father who instills these values in them. Heaven forbid one of your kids turned out to be gay or fell in love with someone of a different race. They wouldn't even be able to tell you return to you. You know exactly who and what you are and how you live with yourself is far beyond my scope of thinking. I know nothing will ever change until the day you meet your maker. The hatred you spread with your messages is reprehensible. And I don't know how you were able to get away with it. I hope you get taken off the air. Eventually, it couldn't come soon enough. Okay, first. That little jab about my children, fearing sorry for them. Did you know what I just did for my sons the other day? It taught them a valuable lesson because I loved them. I told them, I called everyone in the fam, I was on the way home and I told them I was stopping in the gas station for ice cream. The boys weren't paying attention and so they didn't answer me and request anything. I brought home a pint of my favorite ice cream and they were out back playing and I quickly ran to the back door and I locked it and then I knocked on the door and let them sit there and watch me eat it through the glass and they were going, please don't eat at all. And I ate it all right in front of them and that's teaching them a valuable lesson in life. That's how lucky they are to have me as a father. (laughing) Anyway, I was forgetting kicked off the air. That may come one day. Until that day though, commies you're gonna have to deal with us. Now let's deal with so many things going on in the country and I should note might wanna mark your calendar about an hour from now. I'm gonna tell a personal story about a hammock. What I've told before but I haven't told it in a very long time and I thought of my hammock story because I saw this dude in New York City who set up his hammock on one of the city buses and I thought it looked like a blast. Let's talk about Joe Biden quickly, shall we? First Biden was out there today giving all kinds of speeches on stuff and I'll get to the Eric Adams stuff and Mike Johnson stuff but man if this doesn't, if this doesn't sum up politics so much and this is why it's so critical for people to be like you and be active citizens who seek out information because the depth of politicians and their lies, there is no depth that they won't go to, there's not. Joe Biden is in trouble in Michigan. Well, let me clarify. Donald Trump appears to be curb stomping Joe Biden in the Southern states, the Sunbelt states. We've got guests on Ryan Grudusky came on last week and talked about that but it is definitely a coin flip for the states that will win the election to side the presidency. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, those places. Michigan, he has to have it. You're going to see more campaign events in Michigan than you can ever imagine. So he has to have it and there are a bunch of auto union guys up there angry with Joe Biden because the Biden administration forced all these electric vehicle things through and a bunch of guys got laid off and fired. Well now Joe Biden because it's an election year, he needs all those union guys to come back home. They're sitting at home, they're bitter, many of them vote Democrat but maybe they're mad, maybe they're going to sit out this election, maybe they're going to slip a secret vote in there for Donald Trump. And so Joe Biden gets up today. This is just, man, the depravity of these people. Joe Biden gets up today and he said that. - 100% tariff on electric vehicles made in China. People say, wow, because we're not going to let China flood our market making it impossible for American auto manufacturers to compete fairly. We're also implementing a 25% tariff on electric vehicle batteries from China and a 25% tariff on critical minerals that make those batteries. - Yeah, except the electric vehicles that he's putting a tariff on from China, they don't actually come from China. They come from Mexico. This is US trade rep, Catherine Ty talking about both. - And the second question was on EVs and BYD in Mexico. At USTR, that is exactly what we are built to worry about and to be concerned with. That will require a separate pathway. This is about imports from China. What you're talking about would be imports from Mexico. Equally important, something that we are talking to our industry, our workers and our partners about and I would just ask you to stay tuned. - The reason you have to be hyper informed and seek out information in a country like ours is because our traditional systems are all based on lies and they're all lying to us at all times. So if you don't be like you are, I'm not talking about you, if norm doesn't wake up and shape up and start digging into information, you never know anybody any better. If you're some union guy sitting in Michigan right now and you're angry about the whole electric vehicle thing, you're angry about your job, maybe your buddy last session, maybe you're worried about layoffs and you sit there and have pay attention then on NBC News tonight, what you most definitely will see is Joe Biden up there saying, 100% tariff, we're gonna protect your jobs and you go to work the next day and you tell your buddies, yeah, Joe Biden's got our back. I knew he would crack down on China, but the electric vehicles aren't coming from China. They're coming from Mexico. Ideally, ideally you and me, we wouldn't have to live in a country where all of our institutions lie to us at all times about everything, that would obviously be ideal. That's the kind of America I wanna live in. That's the kind of America you wanna live in. That's the ideal country where when the CDC tells you something is safe and effective, you can take that to the bank. Ideally, that's the kind of country you would live in. Ideally, you, me, we would live in a country where the people in charge of immigration enforcement would want to enforce immigration. That would be ideal. Ideally, you, me, we would live in a country where the Federal Reserve, they would be trying desperately to stop the destruction of the dollar so we can stop the destruction of our way of life as we watch it disappear. That would be ideal. But we don't get the ideal world we want. Frankly, nobody ever does. We have to learn how to exist in this country now. And in this country now, just like the Soviet Union was built on all lies, you knew instinctively as a citizen in the Soviet Union, whatever the government said was a lie, whatever you saw in the news was a lie. It was just built in. It was a joke. It was a common joke amongst the people. We must get there as a people in the United States of America because that is the kind of country we have now. Is that wonderful? No, it's terrible, but it is what it is. Everything is a lie at all times. - We study, stay the course and continue to produce these incredible jobs and the job, and by the way, pay for the jobs or outpacing the inflation rate that came. We're going to be able to deal with this. It's going to take no more time where we're just focused on them. - Everything's a lie at all times. All right. - We have to talk about what Eric Adams said about the illegals being good swimmers. We'll get to that in a moment before we get to that. - You know it would help you swim better? Testosterone. Gentlemen. Testosterone is not a bad thing. It is the necessary thing. It's part of what makes you a man. You must have it. You must have it to help your mind. It's more than just your body. Help your mind think, focus, to help yourself stay calm. It does the opposite of what people think. Do you have any? Have you checked it out? Because tea levels are in free fall in this country. Ladies, your levels are all screwed up too. And this is not any of our fault. All the crap that's in our water and the foods, we have to fight back in a way that is healthy for us. That means a natural way. And that's where chalk comes in. I personally, chalk has many natural herbal supplements. I take a male vitality stack every single day. I've been taking it for three years. I never miss a day. I feel so good. You want to feel like that? Full of energy, pep, ready to go. C-H-O-Q.com, promo code Jesse. Gets you a huge discount on subscriptions, so go get one. chalk.com, promo code Jesse. Is the Jesse Kelly show on a Tuesday? It's gonna be an amazing Tuesday. You know how we were having that talk last week about left-wing infrastructure, organizationally, how in-depth they are. Daveryboy's gonna join us about 10 minutes from now, 'cause he's been hot on this. At Tony last week, he was kind of what sparked me into that long talk we had. He's gonna join us next, 10 minutes from now, and he's gonna break a lot of that stuff down. The who, what, when, where, and why, name, names. Give us some resources we can go read, looking into it. It's, that'll be appointment television. Even though this is radio, I don't know. Is appointment radio, is that a word? I don't think that's a term people use. I don't know, I went to community college. We have that and so much more coming on the show, but I just can't let this one go. So, so every now and then, it's funny because everybody, when it comes to illegals, Americans of all stripes, every, both parties, every color, every this or that. In fact, when it comes to all cultures, people can see obvious things, obvious trends with cultures. And yet because we live in such a pathetic, feminized, namby, pamby society, where everyone's worried about offending somebody, nobody ever wants to talk about it. And if you do, it's presented as racism, you know, Asians in my area, the Asians run every donut shop, every dry cleaner. They're all run by Asians. They're all delicious. They're all, it's just, that's the way it is. It's guaranteed you got a dry cleaner nearby, the Asians run it. It's what they do. And now salons, what they do? Everyone understands that Latino immigration, remember illegal immigration now is coming from all over the planet, but Latino immigration, those who come from various spots in Latin America, Mexico, other places, they tend to go to more blue-collar jobs. If you have landscapers in your area, they're probably Mexicans or Guatemalans or something along those lines. They are working in the farmer's fields. The women, they do occupy so many maid positions, both private maids, hotel maids. That's where those people from those cultures, that's where they tend to drift. And everyone knows it. It's just no one wants to ever say that. Of course I will, 'cause you know I don't give a crap. But for the most part, people feel uncomfortable saying it. But it is funny, as on occasion, it'll just come out of people. And it just makes me laugh. Here is Eric Adams. Those jobs that we are in high demand, we could expedite. How do we have a large body of people that are in our city, in country, that are excellent swimmers? And at the same time, we need lifeguards. And the only obstacle is that we won't give them the right rope to become a lifeguard. (laughing) Eric Adams, so Eric Adams took that old joke. I mean, there's a million versions of the joke. You've heard the joke before. Of course you probably told the joke. You never told anyone 'cause you didn't get fired, but why doesn't Mexico perform well at the Olympics? 'Cause everyone who could run jump or swims already across the border, everyone's heard that joke before. Everyone's told that joke. Oh quit, you've told that joke. Don't act offended. Eric Adams just decided to weigh it all in. Hey, we know they're good swimmers. They made it across the Rio Grande. (laughing) I don't know. Maybe instead of the illegals actually working as lifeguards, they should just be swim instructors 'cause the CDC did warn us that drowning deaths are on the rise for the first time. And of course, COVID lockdowns are to blame. Now the only reason you got an article about this is you dig down into it and they find out, what do they say here? The grim report serves as further evidence of pandemic lockdowns, dis-advantaging vulnerable groups such as black and Hispanic Americans. And look, COVID lockdowns didn't just affect people who had different skin colors. It destroyed poor people is what it did. Poor black people, poor Mexicans, poor Puerto Ricans, poor Chinese, poor white people. Poor people suffered the greatest under COVID lockdowns. They did. And of course, swim lessons. I only brought this up actually because one, it was a funny point to make off of Eric Adams' comments and two, I was in the Marines with a couple guys who couldn't swim. We were in boot camp with them and you have to be able to swim. You have to, they'll teach you how. But I watched real fear as a drill instructor pushes you off the edge of the pool into the water. If you're a parent and you're at all able, teach your child to swim. I'm not saying professional swim lessons. I never had those. Of course, my parents got them for my sister, but not for me. I got thrown off a house boat in Tennessee. Either way, I was always in the water, always from my earliest age. We were in a pool somewhere or at the river or the lake or down in Myrtle Beach or somewhere. We were always in the water. And so I'm always comfortable in the water. And a million different times in my life, I've watched people who weren't raised in that way and never taught how to swim. And honestly, I've never mocked them. I would never mock you if that's you. I feel genuine sympathy for them because uncomfort in the water, that's real fear. Real genuine fear. You get people around it. I told you that time we were selling a bunch of RVs and we went out on some big boat in Hawaii 'cause we got a free trip to Hawaii. I'd sold to some of the RVs. We took some big catamaran out to some snorkeling place. They parked the boat and I just went diving right off the top of it. Three stories up, I was just bah-had right off the end, dove right into the water and I'd come up and I'm all alone. Everyone's looking at me. I'm like, what are you doing? Getting the water. They're like, what about sharks? I said, oh, come on. We just need the slow swimmers to get in here. They'll be the ones that go down first. Anyway, we didn't have to worry because I still had my burn-a-pistol launcher on me. I would like to see a shark withstand a shot from a burn-a-pistol launcher. And remember, burn-a-pistol launchers are non-lethal. I love animals. I would not wanna kill the shark. I would simply want him to be debilitated. Now, truth be told, burn-a, to my knowledge, I don't think it's ever actually been used on sharks but on people it's amazingly effective. Pepper balls or tear gas balls. It's legal in all 50 states. Jesse, I can't, I can't get that here. New York won't let me. Legal in all 50 states with no permit and no background check needed and this thing will stop a bad man fast like that. Yeah, SWAT teams around the country carrying these things. Burn-a is spelled B-Y-R-N-A. Burn-a-dot-com slash Jesse gets you 10% off your order. I don't even know how many of these I own by now. I hand the things out like candy. They are amazing. Get one for yourself and the person in your life, all right? Burn-a-dot-com slash Jesse. The Jesse Kelly show. And I was looking forward to talking to Dave 'cause it's been a while since I talked to Dave and then I forgot about jazz music and how much he loves it and now I was just reminded of it and now I am filled with so many regrets. Joining me now, my friend, David boy. You should go subscribe to his sub stack. It's outstanding, late republic nonsense. Dave, I'm gonna set aside the jazz for a brief moment 'cause I wanted you to come on and talk. You know I did that on purpose. I know, I know you did. I know you did. You're a bad person, Dave. You just need to let me and need to let me. All right, quit. I'm terrible. So you've been talking a lot recently and I've been talking a lot recently. Honestly, you gave me the idea to go into more depth on it last week about the infrastructure around American communism and how in depth they are and the funding, the organizational network, how they are so professional at it versus where we are and what we are. And I don't wanna put any more words in your mouth. I wanna give you the floor. What are you talking about? - This is a really big topic. And every so often, those of us on the right, we'll see it kind of bubbling up. We'll see like a little bit of, you know, the top of the iceberg of leftist, you know, what's known as community organizing. And just to rewind a little bit to 2008 and when Obama showed up on the scene and I'll never forget the Republican convention where Sarah Palin got up there and she made fun of Barack Obama whose only experience, only really formative experience outside of politics was in community organizing. And it was a punch line because folks on the right didn't really know what that is. And very helpfully, a guy named Stanley Kurtz wrote a wonderful book called Radical in Chief that really went in depth on the history and the extent of left wing community organizing. And you know, that 2008 election put the name Saul Linsky on the map for a lot of conservatives. We started to be aware of, you know, kind of what this guy is, you know, dimly. And, you know, but that was really the extent of it. And nobody on the right had any desire or plan to put in the hard work necessary to go and figure out what Linsky was doing or to realize that Linsky was part of a very long, you know, really 100 year old plus effort to do community organizing on the left. And it's one of the things that the right just kind of sucks at and it's something that the left does very well and very seriously. I mean, there are schools for left wing community organizing that, you know, go back 50 years. There are thousands of books that have been written on the subject. You know, every once in a while, as I said, the newspapers or, you know, conservative blogs will pick up on, you know, Lisa 50n who is probably the most well known, well regarded and important, hard left activist. You know, she'll pop up at the Pro-Hamas protest now a few years ago. She was popping up at Occupy Wall Street. She's popping up at the BLM stuff. She's popping up at, you know, any type of, you know, anti-Trump rallies. And it's her job and it's the job of people like her to organize people for change. You know, it's a really, you know, anodizing the way of putting it. But to kind of create the conditions on the ground for the political end that they want. And often these efforts are met with little to no resistance from the right and we're just completely flabbergasted when it comes to this stuff. And I'll give you an example that, that's something that they do very well that we're just remarkably stupid at. For example, what they did with, there's a group, oh my God, I'm forgetting its name now. But there's a group now that monitors conservative websites. It has for, you know, a number of years. And what they will do is they will make sure to deny these conservative websites from getting Google ad dollars and from, you know, from being able to kind of monetize themselves. And they end up going out of business because they are black-listed by Google and, you know, most web ads are run by Google. So what they're doing is they're effectively taking down right-wing websites kind of one by one. And they're doing this by denying advertiser dollars. And they're able to do this kind of very quietly, they go, and they pick, you know, one little particular task for themselves and that is at the fulcrum of, you know, of something important. And, you know, basically something that's, you know, low effort, high reward, and they keep doing this. And, you know, the right has nothing like it, you know, and we're just sitting ducks. And, you know, so they do things like that. They do obviously also public events, you know, where they do demonstrations is what we're seeing right now with the, with the Pearl Hamas stuff. And if you look into the literature, you'll see the absolute seriousness with which these people are doing it. And we laugh and we make fun of the folks with blue hair or pink hair who look like they've never done a bit of exercise and they're just kind of stereotypical. Less is to be mocked, but behind those guys are the really smart people who are organizing them and who are treating those weirdos just basically as bodies inside, you know, inside a political campaign. And it's something that I and Kyle Scheidler and some other folks, David Hines, some of us who've been, you know, involved in attracting these leftist community organizing groups, and banging on this drum forever. And, you know, on the right, we have nothing similar. And until we start taking this stuff seriously, and what I mean by that is with tons of money, with smart people going into this field, with, you know, with books and classes and all kinds of things, I think we're always going to be behind the April on the right in terms of organizing people and creating a movement for the things that we want politically. Dave, do you think, because I want to ask you one more big one, do you think you could give me one more segment? I should have asked you beforehand, but I want to ask you the why. All right, so here's what I want everyone to know. I'm about to break early here, and I'm going to come back with Dave Reaboy, and I'm going to ask him, because I'm fascinated, why are they so good at it, and why are we so bad at it? On a macro level, why are they professionals, and why are we amateurs? And I will deal with that with Dave in just a moment. Before I do that, let me do this really quickly. 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Chris, do you have any idea how big Dave is? He's one of these workout freak guys. He could bench press a small house. If you call that jazz, I bet you he's going to murder you if you guys ever run into him. Anyway, we are back with my friend, Dave Reaboy, who is breaking down kind of left-wing organization versus the lack of right-wing organization here in America. Dave, you talked about how good they are and how long they've been at at 100 years of organization and funding in this and that, but why are they so good at that and why are we so bad at that when we're the good guys and they're the bad guys? Well, that's a very involved question. But it's got a simple answer, which is you get what you prioritize. You get what you prioritize and the right has been prioritizing different stuff. As we stand right now, the right is kind of in a pickle because we just don't think about these things. There's obviously a kind of temperamental reason for it, which is at the end of the day, folks on the right want to go make money. There are a lot of folks doing podcasts and there are a lot of folks who are doing social media and that's fine and that's great, but that seems to be where the energy is. And it seems to be, I mean, heck, we even have presidential candidates that are doing things like selling NFTs and Bibles and stuff like that. Whereas on the left, they're just much smarter about this when it comes to community organizing on a small local level, all the way up to mass media where they just have no problem funding outlets that are lost leaders, like the New York Times and Time Magazine and MSNBC. I mean, we all joke about how few viewers, CNN and MSNBC have been like, you know, how they must be in the red every year going on 20 years already, and yet it's still there. And it's still there and no one has decided to pull the plug on it as a bad investment because they understand that even though it doesn't make money, it is a good investment because it's enabling the left to inject ideas in real time into the bloodstream into the conversation. And that is a thing that has value. You know, when we look at Hollywood and we think, oh, my God, you know, why is it that these Hollywood studios, these big multinational conglomerates that own them, have no problem whatsoever, you know, putting up films that fail every year that are woke, all they need to do is start making right-wing movies and they'll, you know, they'll do so much better at the box office and with the bottom line, but they don't care because they understand that they're more important things than money. And the thing that they believe is more important than money is their politics and that's just where they are. So that's why you'll see investments from the left into things like, I mean, the Northwest Academy, if you're by a computer or a phone, you know, just Google the history of the Northwest Academy, which was one of the oldest most storied schools, university PhD level institutions for how to do hard left community organizing. And Barack Obama is a, you know, is a graduate. He came out of there and a lot of the people who are, you know, people who are kind of in this business all around the country doing left-wing activism came out of there or similar organization. And just to kind of lead you with a little thought is the left has entire industries that are populated by tens of thousands of people that the right just does not have. And I'm talking specifically about the community organizing and that type of left-wing infrastructure. They have, you know, they have money for pro bono communications firms that, you know, maybe you're small, maybe they're a couple dozen or a couple hundred of them in the country, but their job is, you know, they'll get money from Soros or Tides Foundation or whoever, their job is to identify your local environmental group or your local BLM group or whatever. And to provide pro bono communication services to them to make sure that they have access to TV networks and newspaper reporters, you know, and radio stations, et cetera, et cetera. Things like that, the right doesn't have. So, you know, and at a time like this, when we see the Pro-Hamas protests all over campuses, it's a really good time to take stock because that's when, like, these guys pop up from out of the shadows. And we get to see the outlines of kind of what this looks like. And I recommend everyone to go read a tablet piece about about the funders of this particular, you know, of this particular movement and with a lot of input from Kyle Scheidler in terms of how they work. Because, look, it's fascinating stuff. And frankly, if you're on the right and you care about these things like, you know, you and I do, it's really hard not to just be absolutely infuriating when you see, when you see the, the, the different ways the right and left allocate resources and time and energy. It's your madness. It's maddening and it's dispiriting. And frankly, you know, it shouldn't fall to people like you and me to, you know, to take 20 million bucks to set up a community organizing school. Right. There should be other people with, with much, you know, much, much deeper bank accounts that are willing to do that. But unfortunately, that's, that's not the case. There are folks who have wanted to do this on the right and replicate what the left has for many, many years now. And they could not get funding. Nobody, you know, nobody really cares. So we have much work to do when it comes to our rich guys on the right. Dave, I am up against the end of the hour. I'm up against the clock. My brother, you are the best. That is, I'm smarter now and everyone else is. We, we understand that. Go read that tablet piece. Dave real quick. What was the title of that tablet piece so people can find it? Oh my gosh. I can't remember. No, it's okay. If you go to my, if you go to my Twitter, I'll tweet it out right now. My, my Twitter is, is Dave Reboy at Twitter. Okay. Dave Reboy, go read that tablet piece. I've read it and it's an awesome piece. I just forget the title myself. It's my fault. Dave, my brother, love you. As always, you are the best. All right. We still have two hours left. We're going to break from politics for a minute because there's a hammock in the news because of the dude and the hammock in the New York City bus. I have a hammock story. 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