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UNC Ditches DEI for Policing with Caroline Downey | 5.15.24 - The Grace Curley Show Hour 3
Over the past several years, it seemed like Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion programs and measures were burgeoning across corporate workplaces and college campuses. Now, companies and institutions are cutting back. How interesting! Caroline Downey of the National Review joins to discuss.
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- 15 May 2024
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Today's podcast is brought to you by the Eden Pure Thunderstorm air purifier, BOGO offer by one get one free for one week only order today at eat impuredeals.com with code grace BOGO. Live from the Viva Tratria studio, it's the Grace Curly show. But got to bring in a new voice, a young voice, a rising voice, Grace Curly. You can read Grace's work in the Boston Herald and the spectator. Especially Grace, Grace stand up. Here's the millennial with the mic, Grace Curly. Welcome back, everyone to the Grace Curly show. I, I ended the last segment by talking about some of these encampments. And at what point, Jared, I wasn't sure if these encampments were ever going to end. It seemed like the more the police got involved, the more the administrations got involved, the more motivated, these young activists, these Hamas sympathizing yarn weaving dancers were geared up and ready to fight. And it is one of those things. Like, do you just kind of let them burn themselves out? Do you pour gasoline on a fire? I am starting to see a trend of these encampments kind of closing up shop. And they're giving all sorts of different reasons. But this story from Harvard says Harvard students and protest as university agrees to discuss Middle East conflict. Isn't that what they've all been meeting about up until this point? It seems like they keep having all these meetings to do just that. And suddenly that's enough, just saying we'll talk about it is enough for them to end their encampment. I'm calling BS on that. Harvard, Harvard ends the encampment when the school season closes. Yeah, we were ending this encampment just in time for summer. Oh, how convenient. You know what it reminds me of? It's like when SAG went on strike, but right after the Barbie movie, right after their PR thing ended. And it's like, well, now you can't promote your movies. Oh, after Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling got to go around the world twice to promote this movie, now the encampments are done. This is the same thing. Now the encampments are done because it's summer time. The weather is getting nicer. But one story that really caught my eye was the University of North Carolina and how their trustees, the Board of Trustees decided to slash the DEI funding. And we had talked about how MIT is kind of changing up the statement that about DEI that people have to sign on to in order to be hired there. So there is a DEI shift, but what really caught my eye about this story involving the University of North Carolina is it's a double whammy because not only are they slashing the DEI funding, but they're diverting that money to campus police. So talk about a slap in the face and all of these young students, all these young activists, these young, these terrorists in training who wanted to enact change, like they wanted to change what was going on in the Middle East. They haven't changed anything in the Middle East, but they have changed things on campus because what instigated this move to slash DEI funding was that the schools were looking at these protests and saying, we need to spend more money on the police. We need to have campus safety. Let me let me put it even more in a more simple way. Congratulations, activist. You played yourself. You played yourself. You wanted big changes. Well, now you got them. Now the school is going to slash funds for the diversity, equity, and inclusion part of the curriculum, whatever that even means. We'll talk to our next guest about it in a second and they're going to use that money toward the big bad police. That is truly poetic justice. That is the cherry on top. So Caroline Downey wrote this in the national review, the board of trustees for the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill on Monday slash funding for diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives in next year's budget, diverting the money to public safety and policing instead. The measure redirects $2.3 million of diversity funding to campus security. So we're taking money away from diversity, funding, and putting it into campus security. Caroline Downey, who wrote this piece in the national review, joins us now. Caroline, it seems like the mission of these activists, I don't really understand what their mission was. They were going to stop Israel from invading Rafa by, you know, dancing with yarn on a campus. But now it seems like it's really backfiring because not only did they not do that, but now the money that was used for DEI is going to be directed towards the police so they can keep these young hippies in check. Right. And great. Their goals kept changing because, of course, their movement is completely inconsistent and so many of these activists don't even really know what they're protesting, their cause playing, their starves for a cause. And they chose radicalism. That is, you know, what their hearts told them to do. And it came in a major detriment to obviously, like all of academic functioning and all of these campuses, but they wanted ceasefire and then it moved to divestment from Israel and then it moved to something else. So, I mean, just like a complete chaotic, I mean, no organization, at least when it comes to, you know, what are they actually striving for right now? Nobody really knows. Just disruption, I guess, is their goal. But yeah, I mean, with the DEI, defunding at the University of North Carolina, we're seeing a domino effect across a couple of different schools. You mentioned MIT and I think it's because these administrators, or at least the Board of Trustees that control the purse strings and are within the Board of Governors at the UNC, these senior people are recognizing that the fruits of DEI is this mayhem because DEI intrinsic in this framework is the noxious, just toxic idea that, you know, there's oppressors and then there's the oppressed and the white people are evil and, you know, there's minority groups that need to be protected and they need reparations and they need to be like, you know, reparative justice and Israel Palestine kind of fell within that dichotomy just because that's what the professors who are Marxist professionals all taught these students. And so this is kind of, this is the snowball effect of DEI when it's institutionalized is these kinds of demonstrations that are besieging campus and so that's what I see happening right now and I have a feeling Columbia and all these other very elite prestigious colleges that are very far less, I think they're going to see that the donors, they've already been threatening to leave. Enrollment is going to go down. There's so many things that are hurting these schools right now, like just the reputation that they have is just for being like, like a circus, like daycare for radicals, daycare for terrorists where there's no control, there's no law and order, you know, the police are getting demonized. And the fact that there even even have to be a police crackdown at a university because the administration, you know, is not capable of like laying down the law, it's just an embarrassment. And so, you know, maybe they'll start acting like UNC and say, enough, we are redirecting the funding to police, to campus safety, so we can like actually, you know, become respectable again. Yeah. And you know what's interesting, Caroline, you said the results of DEI for these schools have not been what they hoped they would be. Obviously, just by looking at some of the, in the Harvard yard, you can understand why DEI is not, it's not proving to be a success. But the other part of it that we talk about with UNC is that they are using this money for policing, which you just pointed out. That's, that's a better use of these funds. And I'm curious if you think, you just mentioned the fundraising, is that the third element here that they are slashing these budgets because they realize the fundraising money, you know, the, the spigot is, is kind of stopped and they need to cut costs, they need to save money because they have actual things that need to be paid for. And that's the quickest one they can, they can slash off and say, no one's going to miss this if it goes away. Yeah. And there's been so much investigative reporting done on the DEI industrial complex and how it infiltrated almost every institution of American life, chiefly academia. And when you look into what it really is, it's a racket, it's a scheme. So not only is it creating terrible results in the form of these like rabid college students that are, you know, like I said, besieging campus. So I mean, that, that's, that's a terrible byproducts, but it's also just a huge waste of money. Like it's a, it's below, it is the most bloated part of any company in the most bloated part of any academic, any academic setting is there. The DEI departments are, they ballooned obviously after the social justice riots of summer 2020 with George Floyd. I mean, the infusions into those departments was large. We saw this with Ibram X Kendi right down the road for you from you guys in Boston at BU. I mean, that, that's where there is now debunked that anti-racist research center now completely delegitimize because turns out, oh, yeah, it's a racket. Huge financial mismanagement. We don't know where the money's going. We don't know what, what they actually achieved. I mean, the number of, uh, you know, like if you had to look at it, you had the grade, what they actually did. It's like grade F, you know, and I think they're realizing that it is a, it's squandering university resources to put it all into DEI. And so yeah, it's the first thing to go in corporate America too. The EI is the first thing to go because it doesn't help the bottom line. It doesn't help the company like thrive or function better or same thing with the university. It just, it just so discord and, and waste money. Yeah. I think that's a really great way to put it in Caroline. The other part of this that I find, uh, very amusing is how these encampments are ending, you know, this is how the hippie encampments and not with a bang, but with a whimper. They're just kind of, uh, you know, putting the tarps on it and saying, all right, I guess we're going to go home. But here's my question for you, Caroline, even if this doesn't, you know, that all, all the, uh, the terrorists in training, they take the summer off. They go to Nantucket. They go to Martha's Vineyard. They enjoy their parents' house. You know, they go to the beach, they get a little R and R and they come back in the fall and maybe they don't, maybe they don't restart this whole thing. Maybe it's over, but the impact of this, how does it affect Biden? I know that you were writing a piece in the national review recently about these polls, but I'm specifically concerned about this anti-Semitic wave that has hit this country. Is that something that's going to fizzle out and people are going to forget about come November or is this an image that is going to be seared into people's minds when they go to vote? Biden's legacy has been tainted in so many respects, starting with the border crisis and then you go to foreign policy, the Israel policy and conflict. And the reverberations of that in America domestically. So, I mean, his record is horrible on this. He is very tightly associated with these protests because, again, he's trying, just like he did after October 7th, he's trying to use the moral equivalency where he says, I condemn the chaos on campus, but anybody who doesn't know what they're protesting is ignorant. So, again, he's sympathizing with the petulant brats that are illegally trespassing, breaking into academic buildings, taking janitors hostage. Like, that's what he's being perceived as and I don't think it's lost on many Americans, especially the swing votes among independents. And I just, I come up with the example of John Federman, who has really pulled a 180 in terms of the policy positions he's taken and taking office. I mean, very interesting transformation, but on Israel, he just, he acts like he's this common sense guy and yes, he's a Democrat, but by no means is he pandering to and enabling these protests or the progressive wing of the party that is calling for ceasefire and essentially wants to disarm Israel and neuter Israel to the point where it's where, I mean, like just, it's an ally of ours and that's been the case for a very long time. Right. No one in that party is really willing to stand by Israel with the exception of John Federman. So he's distancing himself from Biden. He's distancing himself from the party because he knows they're going nowhere fast. This is totally not resonating with the public. I mean, it's, and also Israel Palestine isn't even like that. She's motivating issue for most Americans, but what does fit with most people is that, okay, Biden is responsible for chaos. Like that, that's basically, you know, two, like one word is chaos. Yeah, really well said. Caroline Downey is a writer for the National Review. You should follow her on Twitter at Caroline Downey underscore. Go to the national review.com national review.com to read all of her work. Thank you, Caroline. We're running short on time, but I appreciate you coming on. Spring means more flowers and sunshine. Unfortunately, it can also mean more pollen and allergens. We had a caller today, Lisa. She said, oh, my allergies are driving me crazy. You could hear it in her voice. I almost said to her, Lisa, you got to get the thunderstorm, but I didn't want to mess her up because I knew she had a good point to make. But that's what you got to do. If you're dealing with allergies, if you're dealing with pollutants, get your hands on a thunderstorm. 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Or go to JJ Manning.com with over 16,000 sales and satisfied clients. You can be the next one. Jared, what's the poll question and what are the results this far? Today's poll question, which you can vote in at gracecurlyshow.com is Biden has challenged Trump to two debates. What chance do you give the debates to actually happen? Zero to 25, 25 to 50, 50 to 75 or 75 to 100. A lot can change between now and June 27. I'm going to say zero to 25. Yeah, 63% of the audience is with you on that. When they say zero to 25, 20% say 25 to 59% for 50 to 75 and 7% for 75 to 100. All right, let's go to Adam. You've been on the line a while. What's going on, Adam? Uh, Grace love the show. I just want to check something. I saw a thing on X today about Anthony Blinken playing his guitar in the crane after he took the money over. Is it true? It is true. We played it a lot, Adam, in the first hour. But yes, he's oh, I'm sorry. I missed that, Grace. I just cannot believe someone from the administration would do that. Such a we have such a bunch of grifters in this administration right now. It's unbelievable. I mean, that just shows. You're on the money, Adam. And it's not just grifters. There's something very sad and pathetic about being a wannabe. Like it's one thing to be a grifter. Joe Biden's a grifter. He goes to key if he dodges the sirens. You know, he puts on the tough guy thing. He wrote on a train for 19 hours, which his wife, Dr. Jill told us, nobody, she said, try finding a 40 year old who can ride on a train for 19 hours. Like that's, that's his big humble brag of the day. But at least he didn't show up and whip out a guitar. But I don't think out of all the things that Joe Biden. Now that I'm mulling this over, has Joe Biden never claimed to be a singer? He's claimed to be everything else. But I think he see you either or someone who tries to glorify your athletic abilities, like when I was young, I was such an athlete, or you're someone who fancies yourself as a bit of a singer. And I don't think that Joe Biden is the guitar type. Now, Hunter, you get Hunter in Ukraine. Takes a break from Prisma, and he gets in a bar in Ukraine. He might whip out a guitar. I bet you Hunter thinks spending all this time in LA. I bet he's a bit of a songbird. But yes, Adam, to answer your question, Anthony Blinken was in Ukraine at a bar singing Rockin in the free world to a less enthusiastic audience. It didn't seem like it was maybe he should have. He should have used the Biden rules and said, I'm only going to perform this song in a televised studio with no audience and no one can speak, because it didn't seem like they were enjoying it very much, but they're not going to say anything because they need our money. So they're not going to, you know, they're not going to kick him out. They're going to let him finish up the set. But I don't think anybody was too thrilled with it. Eight four four five hundred forty two forty two. We've got a lot to discuss in this last segment. So do not go anywhere before we bring on how we car. There's a portal between Dublin and New York and it's being shut down because people keep flashing it. We'll talk about that when we come back. Live from the Aviva Thratria studio. Welcome back, everyone to the Grace Curly show. Thank you all so much for joining us today. As we mentioned, Donald Trump has accepted Joe Biden's challenge to a debate, two debates with a lot of different rules and play here. Biden wants things, how he wants them, very particular. And Trump said, sure, let's do it. And now there are some factors that I think we need more details on, like this idea of, okay, each, each candidate is going to get a certain amount of time. And then the mics are just going to shut off. I need to know more who's in control of the mics. But what we're talking about before that, we're talking to Caroline Downey from the National Review about these protests that are not ending with a bang but with a whimper and a lot of these young people who at one point, they seem so committed to the cause. I don't think it's almost an Alvin Bragg situation where I think if you really drilled down on what the cause is, they might struggle. I think that they know, Jared, that they like to be in big groups. They like loud noises. They don't like sprinklers. They agree and disagree on all the same things. You know, they share a lot of common interests. But if you actually ask them, what is the goal? I think that's when things get a little bit dicey. And so I really enjoy the fact that a Cornell, for example, the pro Hamas encampment has thrown their hands up. They quit no agreement, no police. It's just over. And this is from the Cornell Daily Sun, the coalition, because they all have different names. They all have different names. We call them here pro Hamas hippies. I think that's the easiest way to describe them. If you want to get a if you want to put a more sinister spin on it, Hamas sympathizing terrorists in training. But they all have different names. The coalition for mutual liberation is the name of the group at Cornell. Voluntarily took down its pro Palestine encampment on Monday, two and a half weeks after it was initially erected on April 25th. It doesn't feel like two and a half weeks. It felt like it was longer than that. I think it's going to stick with people longer, you know, it's one of those moments where it was a short amount of time, but it felt like a really long time. Approximately 250 supporters circled the original liberated space, no longer surrounded by a black tarp as the encampment held a final vigil for the lives lost in Rafa, starting at 6 p.m. Other campuses, this is a Breitbart, notably Columbia University and the University of California, Los Angeles, only ended their encampments after violent confrontations with police. Some, like Harvard, Northwestern and others saw administrations capitulate to student demands. I don't know if they really did though. They told these young people they probably got the sense, OK, they they're ready to go for the summer. They've been out there for two weeks. We know they're all hungry, Jared. We heard from the people at the Fashion Institute that they're weak. They're trembling with hunger. They haven't had a snack in hours. And so we know that was starting to get to them. So I think Harvard probably felt like this this isn't going to go on a lot longer. You know, they called their bluff. And they agreed to have a conversation about the Middle East. Now, if that was the goal of the encampment, if that was the goal of, you know, getting sprayed by the sprinklers at three in the morning, I would have said that you guys could have avoided all of this. I think if you wanted to any faculty member, any member of the administration of Harvard and said, hey, do you have 10 minutes? I want to talk about the Middle East. I bet they would have been down for it. I don't think he had to go through with the list of demands and setting up this weird tent city and, you know, screaming and fighting with the cops. I don't think that was all necessary. I think you could have just said, want to get a cup of coffee. Whatever happened to that, Jared, whatever happened to, let's get a cup of coffee. As generation is so soft, it really is. And now we've got Cornell and Harvard. Like I said, they keep saying we've reached an agreement. We've reached an agreement. We we agree to speak with these students about the Middle East. They've been having all of these negotiations for weeks. What have you guys been talking about? Dare I say, Jared, they needed someone in those conferences to kind of point people in the right direction. If you're having hours long negotiations for two and a half weeks about the school divesting from Israel and you're not talking about the Middle East in those negotiations, I think we're missing the forest for the trees. I think somebody lost the plot. What were they spending that time discussing? So that's that's another part of this story that it's kind of a happy ending. You know, the kids are out for summertime. They get to go to their parents homes and Martha's Vineyard. They get to enjoy a little bit of this nice weather and the camps. You can always set up the camps again come fall. I would suggest sometime around November, you know, right before the election. If you're going to do it again, try to help us out on the Republican side. And this one says protesters against the war between Israel and Hamas were voluntarily taking down their tents in Harvard Yard on Tuesday after university officials agreed to discuss their questions about the endowment, bringing a peaceful end to the kinds of demonstrations that were broken up by police on other campuses. Now, does a peaceful end? Does that undo all of the unrest that led up to that point as long as it ends peacefully, can we chalk it up as a peaceful protest? Is that the new rule? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, in that situation, those hostages just become us guests at this point, sorry, janitors, you know, Caroline Downey brought up the janitors at Columbia that were taken hostage. And I was never a contender for any of these fancy Ivy leaks. I went to Providence College. And I think it's a very good school, but I was never going to be Brown, Columbia, Harvard or anything like that. But, you know, you know what I do know, Jared, even if I'm not a smart, you know, even if I need a little extra time on the test, OK, I don't test well. That's anyone who's not academics is I don't test well. But you know what I do know, if you're in a situation where you're taking a janitor hostage, you might not be the good guy. If lost control of the situation, whether you start taking a hostage, it's like you'll start taking the the pizza delivery kid hostage. You're not leaving this room. Take a step back at the end of the episode. He looks at he goes, what have I done? Oh, my God, we've kidnapped the pizza guy. If you are beating up a janitor and holding him hostage, you may be the bad guy in this situation. You might need a mirror because you might be the villain. Jack, you're up next on the Grace Curly show. What's going on, Jack? Hey, Greg, I think you're a genius. And I love Rush Limbaugh, but you're my new favorite now. So I just want to let you know that. Oh, thank you, sir. I'm going to give Joe Biden a drug test for and I mean this sincerely to see what they're giving him so he can perform on the debate stage because they have to be something I would suggest if I was Trump that there's a drug test before this debate. He won't agree to it, but, Jack, what you just reminded me of. And this was when we we always knew that this administration was going to get treated so differently by the press. But one reason why it really bothered me since the beginning is because people wanted the visitor logs when Joe Biden isn't staying at the White House. We know that almost every weekend he travels. It's like the one time he goes somewhere, he travels. He goes to rehove it. He goes to all these different places. And typically, a president would give you the visitor logs. But they they have not provided those. And I think it is because Dr. Feelgood and other people are showing up and they don't want us to know what Joe Biden and I don't think Jared. I always say he's jacked up on Mountain Dew because I think they're giving them all sorts of like energy drinks and stuff. But a lot of people do think it's something it's some sort of concoction that they're giving him because he gets out there and I'll be kind here. I'll say the energy levels are. No worthy compared to other times. But the other reason I'm glad you brought that up is because I almost forgot. One of the big stories that I wanted to get to today involves Joe Biden and this piece in Politico about how he's very worried about Hunter and it's taking it's tormenting him this Hunter Biden trial. And as you know, Hunter Biden's on trial. Hunter Biden has several different cases that are coming up. But June 3rd is his first criminal trial. And that that's the interesting or the ironic part about this is Joe Biden really likes to get sassy. He likes to be a smart ass when he's talking about Trump's trials. You're free on Wednesday, but at the same time, Jared, according to Politico, when it comes to Hunter's trials, he's all, you know, he's just downtrodden about it. He's very upset by these trials. They're weighing on him psychological torment. He's not as cute and sarcastic about the trials his son's going through. So for the White House, the scenario of Hunter Biden's first criminal trial, all but assured to start June 3rd is an unprecedented event in American political history that they hoped they'd never face. Some fear it could dramatically impact the president himself more psychologically than politically. And they're worried about the weight Hunter Biden's trial will place on the president at an already difficult time for him politically. How do you think how do what kind of weight do you think it puts on the other running for president when he's dealing with his own trials? Like, oh, we're supposed to. So let me get this straight. OK, let me get this straight. I'm supposed to feel bad that Joe Biden mentally is having to deal with. He's trying to juggle the idea of his son being in a courtroom versus the other candidate who can't campaign because he's sitting in a courtroom. I'm sorry. I don't have any sympathy left. I really don't. I don't I don't feel bad that Joe's mind is going to be wondering to how's Hunter doing sitting in court? How do you think Trump feels? It also says this is a quote from someone who obviously wants to be anonymous. Joe worries about Hunter every single day from the moment he wakes up to the moment he goes to sleep. So from 11 30 a.m. To 3 p.m. Joe Biden is worried about Hunter. I mean, I can buy that. Hunter is very worryable. I mean, you never know what he's going to snort, who he's going to try to extort. What guns are going to get thrown away? I get that. It says with few exceptions, White House aides don't bring up the subject of Hunter Biden with the president for fear of an angry rebuke or an icy stare according to two people familiar with the president's reactions. But he's also expressed concerns that a trial could produce strain for his one. I can't that the sympathy machine for the Bidens, like this whole idea of Hunter Biden is a victim and Joe's a victim. And meanwhile, Joe's weaponizing the DOJ against Donald Trump were supposed to feel bad that his son is being rightfully charged with things because he dropped the gun in a trash can across the street from a high school and he didn't pay his taxes. I would say both of those charges are a lot more defineable than whatever Alvin Bragg is concocting in a New York City hush money trial. You know, I would not be surprised if this ends up being the reason Joe drops out. He's going to because he's such a devoted father, as we know, that this is probably what they're going to use to force him out and replace him at the convention a couple of months later. This is going to be the whole family time excuse. He's going to go take care of his family. Joe. Yeah, that could be. I don't know that I think at this point, he's like, I do kind of think that there's and you know, we were talking about DEI earlier and I remember when there was a piece in the I think it might have been Axios. They got this story about how Anita Dunn and other people wanted to give green jump here at the boot. They wanted her to move away from being press secretary to move on to something close to greener pastures. They wanted to give her a job for Emily's list. Very far left abortion focused group. And she didn't want it. She wanted to stay as press secretary, but everyone in the Biden camp knew off this woman's a disaster every time she opens her mouth. We have to send in a cleanup crew, which is funny because that's her job. She's supposed to be the cleanup crew, but you need like three people to clean up her. Let me be very clear mess that she creates every time she opens her mouth. And somebody on social media put it so well, they said, it's hard to fire someone. No, they said, if you don't hire somebody on merit, it's hard to fire them on merit. Like, if you hire someone because they're the first black gay press secretary for all these and there's nothing wrong with that, but I'm just saying if you hire, if that's the basis of your hiring and then you want to turn around and say, well, we're not firing her because of that. We're firing her because she's not doing a good job. It doesn't work that way. You were so happy with all of these characteristics that she had, all the parts of her identity, that was the reason you picked her. So now you're stuck with her until she decides she wants to leave. And the reason I bring this whole thing up, Jared, is because that you can take that same concept and you can apply it to Kamala Harris. Joe Biden would have a fighting chance if he had a competent VP. If he had somebody that moderate Democrats, people who haven't lost their minds, could look at and say, you know, this guy could carry on the torch after Joe Biden ends his career, but instead they have Kamala Harris, who's cackling and talking about kicking, bleeping doors down and then diagrams and electric school buses and craters on the moon. And Joe can't do anything about that because the reason he chose her was all of the reasons that now he wants to say, well, that's not the reason we're firing her. We're going to replace her with another black woman. That's not going to work. That's the danger of picking people, not based off what they're capable of, but based off of their skin color or their or their sex. If you make that the reason you hired them, you can't really fire them eight four four five hundred forty two forty two. And I just mean Kamala Harris and Korean jump here. There's other examples in the Biden White House, but those two women are definitely they're definitely hires that Joe Biden thought were going to make him look good. And they've proven to be absolute disasters. You can't hire people based off DEI. It does not end well. We'll be right back with Howie Carr. Don't go anywhere. Follow Grace on Twitter at G underscore Curly. This is the Grace Curly Show. Today's car crossover is brought to you by Ready Wise. With inflation, food and energy costs rising, families are feeling the financial pinch as they struggle to make ends meet. Preparation is key and our friends at Ready Wise have emergency food kits. They'll provide peace of mind. So go to readywise.com and use code Howie20 at checkout to save 20% on your order. Howie Carr joins me now. Howie, you have been working on a very top secret project with Emma Foley that is going to be revealed in the four o'clock hour. Can you give us a little bit more information? It's not really top secret. I've been trying now for more than 24 hours to get the name of all the filthy Nazi hippies that were arrested at UMass. And I finally started getting some this morning. And so I assigned Emma to a to a task I knew she would enjoy. Enjoy relish. She's been walking on air today. I've noticed him like she's in a very good. I said, here's the name of all the filthy hippies. Could you pull their social media and see what we can get on them? And they're all very public on social media. Yeah, they all they all want people to know, you know, what they're contributing to the world to give us a taste of what what kind of jobs these hippies have. One of them is a gardener. And she wants to make it very clear that she works with the plants. As opposed to against and she and she made it and she also she, you know, it's not the in the court in the arraignments. They haven't had the he he she stuff, you know, but they just asked to be be addressed by other names. Like say your name was Eileen. OK, you wanted to be known as Mother Earth, the stuff like that. That's the that's the kind of thing in court. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if that's it or not. They because they didn't have any zoom. So I don't know any of this, but they were going, can you address me by they? The one one person and then there's we've got some video of on on Instagram of one of the people named sky blue or is it blue sky? I can't remember. But blue sky sky blue is is a chanting to it to an Egyptian goddess. And and see, I don't know if I don't think Hamas likes people chanting to Egyptian goddess. I think they chopped your head off. You're a cop that Christian, let alone a follower of a pagan Egyptian goddess. How he's got that and he's got sound to go with it, everybody. So don't go anywhere. We'll be back tomorrow.