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You hit them all, you win, and you can win big actually. So check it out prize picks.com. Use the code five FIVE and now today's episode. (upbeat music) - Welcome to five on the floor. A daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA featuring Ethan Skolnik, Greg Solvander, and Alex Toledo, plus others from the five reasons sports network. - All right, welcome back to five on the floor. Here's today's floor plan on Ethan Skolnik. You can follow me Ethan J. Skolnik and in five reasons sports. And I got Brady Hawk. You can follow him at Brady Hawk 305. And today we're actually gonna talk about players on the roster for now. That's kind of where we're at. And we know that these players are gonna be thrown in the trade machine. They're being there in the spin cycle right now because he fans one another store. Make sure you check out the episode I did with Greg about the idea of adding a third contract like that and sort of what direction the salary sheet might need to actually go. So check that out. We covered that the other day. We also of course, Alex and I covered Trey Young and the possibility there, which again gets into some of the same issues that Greg and I spoke about. Now, what we're gonna talk about this is in the context of Hawkez and Jovitch both staying here. Which probably means not getting a big story. I don't really see a path to getting an elite guy, a top 25 guy without including one of the two of them. Which means that you maybe have a chance to get maybe a Brandon Ingram, probably not. Again, I have my reservations about Ingram in particular. And there are other players that we'll talk about. But if they are gonna keep both of these guys who they drafted and of course the heat of draft did pretty well in this range over the past few years. People complain about the precious pick because they didn't take Maxi. I mean, a lot of teams passed until Maxi went 21st. They did come out of drafts with Tyler Hero at 14. Excuse me, at 13, way ahead. I always get bam and Tyler mixed up 'cause actually their draft positions are opposite of their uniform numbers. Tyler at 13 is way exceeded what was expected of him. He's still regardless of what you think of the fit on this team, he still would be top seven or eight in a redraft. Bam would be top three in a redraft. They took him 14th. And then Yovitch and Hawke as it seems like they made correct picks. But Brady, they made totally different picks. They made picks of one guy who was essentially a project. We didn't even know if he performed much this year. Even the heat have said this publicly. They were saying to them this privately that really the first year was just about him getting acclimated and he had the back injury at the end of the year getting his body right. They didn't know how much he would actually play this year early in the season. It didn't look like he was gonna play very much. He was frustrated about going to the G League. They kind of did that 'cause they thought backup five might be the only spot for him on this roster, even though it might be one of the worst spots for him ultimately. And he ends up settling in as the starting four and he started more games than Tyler Hiro did this year, which will tell you something. And so there's that. And then there's Jaime Hawke as who was a hit from the very beginning. Like he moved different, he handled everything at this level right away. And then he hit a wall, which we saw, the heat saw, and he kind of busted it through the wall a little bit as he started to make adjustments to the adjustments later in the season. I will ask you this in this context before we go forward on what can be expected from both of them. Who's season impressed you more? Under the circumstances? - I would actually say Jaime. I think he just surprised me more just because when we headed into the season, we did not have him as a potential rotation player. And he did the yoga, which I mean, yoga started the season at Sioux Falls. Like we were having those conversations where Jimmy was attending his games back then. And then he ended up starting in the playoffs. But, and you know, as you said, most of the regular season. But I think Jaime, just because I didn't expect his game to come along that quickly, even though he was a season player, even though he was a four year college guy, just the way he looked so polished throughout the season, it was just kind of the footwork that everything along those lines, usually the small stuff that comes along later was the stuff that was there immediately. And now it feels like as I asked him, you know, in the exit interview, it's like, it's always the opposite for him. It's like usually the guys have the base stuff and then they add the like the stuff in between later on. He has the stuff in between. Now it's just about adding the base stuff. It's just about adding the jumper consistently from three. It's about adding all that stuff. So I think in terms of impression, I would probably lean him. But I think either, would you agree? If I just, like if there was a player that has to adjust to this roster more, would it be Jaime? Just because it's just not as natural a fit just because they have Jimmy currently, would you say it's more difficult to, that he has to adjust a little more to this roster? - Yeah, I think so in the sense that when you draft the player who has a skill set similar to the one you have, but the one you have is not ready to get out of the way for good reason. There's gonna be a natural block there and the player who's brilliant has to adjust. It's not gonna be the player who's there already. So we can talk about their chemistry and the commercials that they did together. We can also talk about Jimmy's future and how Jaime might fit into it. But for right now, the two of them, I actually thought that there were some things that worked well when they were both on the floor and they're gonna need to continue that because if Jaime improves and Jimmy's still here, they're both gonna be among the team's five best players probably. So that means that I think the goal for Jaime this year should actually be, and we'll talk about the specific goals that he set for himself in terms of skill level, but the goal for him should be to close consistently 'cause he was doing that early in the year and then that kind of went away a little bit. And I think it went away because of the couple of things that he talked about, he needs to improve and some of it I think was fatigue and coming back from the groin injury. But this is a big off season for him in that sense because I think that Jaime is one of those guys. First thing, he's gonna track a little faster than some of these younger rookies that came in. But also, I think it's an off season to show is there more upside? Because I think that's kind of what's gonna determine whether he's a long-term core piece. Like is this what he is or is there more? And we've talked about Tyler and Alex and I went through the incremental statistical improvements that he has legitimately made even though people don't see them since the bubble. He's a much better player than he was in the bubble, but the improvements in part because of availability and part maybe because of physical limitations, have not been as great year to year, I think as people were hoping for. And so it's gonna be interesting to see with Jaime. I think pivoting to Yovitch, the fit is there. I mean, like starting, it's just a question of can you hold the position now? Like I don't really see a need for them to go get a starting for. I know we always talk about size. I think it'd be great to add a player to the rotation. I mean, Minnesota, you look at their situation and you've got go bare, you've got towns, but you also have Nas Reed. I mean, this could be manned by three different players and you don't necessarily have to count on Kevin Love to turn back time again and maybe he could be your fourth big. So I don't think necessarily they have to get a Yovitch replacement if he's still here in the starting lineup, but he has to grow into the role and they have to design more things for him to make him more effective. He did a great job, I thought, Brady, this year adjusting to what the circumstances were. Okay, you need to spot up shooting. That kind of thing, we know that that's not his natural game. His natural game is ball in his hands. I don't know how much more that comes this year, but that is the direction I think that ultimately his career trajectory is gonna go. - What I'll never say. I think his focus is going to be the half court stuff because he is a very talented player in the open floor just because of his size week and end all the week. He kind of play into that range, but like half court wise, the spot of shooting was there this season. He shot around a 40% from three. That was what impressed me most is the fact that to make that jump to be, okay, we need your shooting to keep you on the floor and he just kind of in the snap of a finger just sort of shooting an incredible level from three. Like that's impressive in itself. But now I think the next step for him is like, as you said, he's gonna need the ball in his hands a little bit just to make things happen. I think he's gonna kind of need a little bit, a little more versatility, I guess, at the top of the key, pick and rolls, like different counters he can get to you because a lot of the time it's like, okay, I'm gonna roll into a pull up shot from behind the screen. I think the biggest thing for me, if he can get into lane and I just don't even remember many Yovitch in between shots. Like I can't think of many floaters or like short mid ranges. So I think if you could develop that where he could kind of have that counter and be able to shoot over the top of guys or just be able to kind of run a kind of little runner through the lane, that type of stuff, I just think would be really big for him. And then as we're talking about just like, what needs to change moving forward? Like you said, he's fitting right in. Like the position is there, they're not replacing him. If anything, they need scoring more than anything. We're not sitting or having starting four conversations. That's like one piece away. So he's kind of, he has that role if he's back. I just think in terms of putting his back to the basket is what probably would open things up more than anything. Like if he worked on the spot of shot, you're gonna need that obviously to stay on the floor. But in terms of like there was series, you know, the Boston series, but games this season where teams would plant their smallest guy on Jovitch. They would say, okay, this guy's just a spot of shooter. He's not really punishing us in the lane. We'll put our smallest guy, just glue him to him, not really help off and just try to take away the shot. If he can counter that and say, okay, well, if they're gonna sit there and put a smaller guy on me, I need to post him up and be able to take advantage of this mismatch. So I think if he could continue to do that, that just changes a ton. Like if he could, and I don't really know the size thing. I don't know if he's kind of looking to put on more size because he did that this past season. I don't know if that is kind of an advantage to kind of that post up thought. But I just think that would be an interesting element to his game. If he could kind of figure out the inside the arc stuff, the turnarounds, the floaters, the finishing at the rim, all that stuff, but here's the kicker. Like all of that comes with on-ball touches and hypothetically, if it's a similar roster as this past season that we're talking about next season, I just think they're gonna have to do a better job spreading the ball around a little bit. I think they're gonna need more touches for Jaime 'cause it's about like, I said last season, there was points this season where they said, oh, we didn't, he had a big night and they said we didn't even draw up a play for him. But I think there is a point now how do you get to a sophomore year where they need to kind of diagrams and stuff and say, okay, like we need to put him in a position where we are drawing stuff up for him. We need to put a position where we say, okay, he needs to get this many touches a game in these spots of the floor. And as much as we're gonna talk about him kind of developing that spot up shot, he's so good and gifted as a kind of a mid post player that you have to drill that. You have to utilize that to your advantage. So I just think it'll be interesting if they are back, I think both of them need a bump in terms of just putting the ball in their hands in the regular season specifically. - All right, we'll touch on next. I wanna get into the two things that Jaime said that he most needs to improve. And I'm gonna ask you, which do you think is more important? And then we'll get into their long-term projections in a second. And we do wanna mention a great sponsor of the Five Reasons Sports Network. Our friend Nelson and his team over at c-arminstaffing.com. That's c-arminstaffing.com. If you work in a hospital, a medical office, this is the place for you. Big Miami Heat fans, most important thing though, is they know their stuff. They'll bring the CR equipment right to you. 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In a little over two seconds, your car can travel slightly more than 117 feet, which is the same length as 20 bicycles. Anything that distracts you while driving is dangerous. That's why driving while texting can be deadly, too. So put it down, it can wait. Don't drive distracted, shifting to safe. A message from the Colorado Department of Transportation. - All right, at his end of year interview with the media, we appreciate him actually doing one. Yo, which we're not gonna blame him. He's a kid, he's your age, he forgot about it. He didn't know about it. That's not like turning it down like some of the other guys did. Hawke has met with us and he was asked, he was very direct about it. The two things that he needs to improve the most, he came up with it. He said lockdown defender, knockdown shooter, which is more important for the heat next year. - Knockdown shooter, it just is. If they, if he wants to stay on the floor long enough and you were mentioning he needs to get to a point where he was closing games like he was early in the season, early in the season, he was shooting, he went on a run there where he was shooting a really high clip from three where he just went on a run there. So I think if he could find a way to perfect that and find a little consistency there, I think it's more probably in his legs and his base because we remember watching at the games a lot of the season, a lot of those shots in the corner that he kind of goes short. So I think it's just more about kind of preparation for next season. And look, he started training camp this last season, his rookie season. The entire training camp he was working with the shooting coach, just trying to drill a way to kind of fix his form, to fix everything, fix his shooting motion. And he developed it on the fly, so credit to him. But now it's just about perfecting it. He needs to find a consistent shot. And that changes a lot. That opens up the other stuff I was just talking about. Like he's so good with his footwork, kind of putting his head down, getting downhill. Well, imagine if teams are throwing clothes outside him consistently. Like if they have guys right in him, he could kind of float down that baseline off the dribble or float down the slot. Like that's where he could really hit the next level. It's just, it's not even about the shot. It's about teams respecting the shot to some degree so you can react to it. So, 100%. I think it's the, it's kind of being a knockdown shooter. Because the defense, one of the reasons I said earlier when you asked me kind of what impressed me more, was Jaime being a really, you know, surprising me defensively out the gate. Yo, which definitely surprised us too defensively. And he deserves credit for the development throughout the season. Behind me out the gate early in the season, I keep bringing it up was guarding top players. Like he wanted to run game after game was guarding the opposing team's best player. And he held up in isolation a lot better than I thought he would. He moved his feet a little better than I thought. I think it turns a coming a lockdown defender. I think it's more so about the awareness and more so about the off-ball defense. Kind of that stuff to just become more of an all-around defender and know this system defensively. Because I feel like he can do certain things just because of his size. I think the physicality, like we talked about with Max. Max was never a lockdown defender, but that certain points he used his size to his advantage in a way Duncan couldn't in that season. So I think that'll just be an interesting way to see how he treats defensively. But if he's a knockdown shooter, we're having a whole different conversation. - Let's get into the big question here. 'Cause this plays into, well, what did he do? And how much you try to hold onto a guy in a deal. From what you saw this past season, who has the higher potential on this team three years out? - Jovitch, I think we're looking at, we're looking at higher floor versus higher ceiling. That's kind of what this is. And that's what you do when you go grab a 20 year old compared to a guy that went to college for years, that's what you would expect. But I do think in terms of upside, there is a lot still to be gotten to for Jovitch. Like there's still a lot that I feel like you see just how he learns very quickly. I think you could see that immediately. Like you said it, he's been putting Sony different situations and he's really figured it out. Like there was points of the season. He's like, okay, I'm out of five. But then all of a sudden he's playing back of five minutes in certain games of the regular season. He's doing it really well. He's playing in drop. He's kind of learning that system. Then all of a sudden now he's starting next to the band. He's switching, he's switching all over the place. And he was actually defending really at a high level late in the season into the playoffs. But there are definitely like all the stuff that I was talking about inside the arc and offensively. Like if he could get to that, that's a scary player if he develops those counters. Like if he has the ability to kind of be under control in the lane, finish, have an in between game, have a little floater, have a back to the basket game. If he can have that, like that's what upside is. If you can name a bunch of different stuff he can still hit on and has the potential to utilize because the guy is 610, 611. They're probably still growing. Like that's the guy with the higher upside. - Yeah, I'm with you on that. And it's no disrespect to Hawkez. I just think that there, even though we talk about Jimmy Butler being an unusual player for where he's gotten to from his path and all that, I don't wanna say it's easier to find that archetype than it is to find the Yovitch archetype, but I kind of feel that way. Like I think that with Hawkez, there obviously is again, more development in terms of he can become a high 30% three-point shooter that changes the equation here. I think he's going to be a good consistent scorer in the league. I think he has long-term starter type potential. I think until then, he has kind of tweener, six-man type potential, maybe not six-man and name only, but kind of playing a six-man role on a team, giving them something different. But yeah, with the Yovitch, it just seems like you said kind of more to draw from. It doesn't mean he's gonna reach it, but this year, I kind of feel like, I know he fans are impatient, I kind of feel like he's a year ahead right now. Like, and it would not stun me, and I said this, if he's a 15, seven and three player, or 15, seven and four player next year, I don't know if the roster around him is going to allow it, but I think that if you're talking about a guy who makes a couple threes a game, can get to the line maybe four or five times, maybe make three or four of those, couple two-point buckets, he's there. And the other thing that impressed me this year about him was the rebounding was better than it was. That was considered to be a real deficiency when he came in, but it is. Some of this is, it's not just adding the weight, it's the way he learned to use his weight, I think you hit on that well. I just, I think there is more there ultimately. Now, I could be wrong about that, 'cause Jaime, I was impressed with the way he kind of rallied late in the season. That was promising. When a team reacts to you, when a team's react to you and then you react back, that's good. I like both guys. I would be more reluctant to move Yovitch in a trade, but I like both guys. And I think some of it will come down to what other player you're bringing in, what the timeline is, what the fit is, that I could be talked into the idea of making it Yovitch instead of Hakiz, but I would probably move Hakiz instead of Yovitch. - Can I frame the question differently than you framed it to me, you asked, like, which guy is higher upside for Miami? If both were to get traded to different situations, - Hakiz would pop first. - Hakiz would pop first. - So you would think, if it's not Miami, Hakiz has-- - I think in most situations, 'cause he's literally plug and play, like a team that needs scoring, and it's crazy 'cause we say that 'cause the heat desperately needs scoring. So for right now, if it wasn't positional, you would say, okay, the heat need what Hakiz provides, maybe more than what Yovitch provides, but I'm projecting this out three years and I'm saying, all right, I think like Yovitch could be a cornerstone piece. I think Hakiz can be a really good complimentary piece on borderline of cornerstone, but I don't know that I would quite go to cornerstone. That's kind of where I'm at with it. To me, again, it's easier to find guys who have natural scoring instincts, that it is to find those with these multi-dimensional skill sets who can still score. And I think we're seeing this in the playoffs too, not that Yovitch is Aaron Gordon, okay? Totally different style of players, but we're seeing like the other things that Aaron Gordon provides, like the scoring kind of comes with it ultimately, but it's not what he's expected to do in that roster. And I think that he had needed a higher upside complimentary piece, like Yovitch who develops potentially into a borderline star. They don't, a lot of their complimentary pieces, we kind of know what the ceilings are, we talk ourselves into a higher ceiling, it's not really there ultimately. And that's why some of these guys, I think the heat of decide to move on from and probably will move on from at least one of them this summer. I just deal with the Yovitch there's just more to draw from, that's where I'd be out with it. - In a weird way, if they were to pick between the two, it would legitimately depend on the Jimmy Butler situation. - Oh, I agree with that. Because if Jimmy's here, Yovitch is more useful. - Exactly. And if Jimmy, in this case, if he's gone, I mean plugs in and that's the key, you know, so it's, right, so it really, if they were picking between one or the other, it does go back to the Jimmy's situation. - And that also depends on whether the United think Jimmy's gonna be here beyond this year, 'cause I do believe he'll be here this season, but I also believe they don't give him the extension, he probably walks. And so then you have to think about it. You're like, okay, if he's walking, then we have our small forward on the roster. So I think I'm, you're right, these, I mean, look, we're gonna have a lot of conversations this off season this summer. They're all gonna come back to whether or not we think Jimmy Butler's a long-term piece for this. So until that extension is offered on July 7th, that's gonna be in the space and probably beyond, because I don't know that it's gonna be offered on July 7th. 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