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Welcome to the deep dive on the Inside Texas football YouTube channel powered by InsideTexas.com. I'm your host Justin Wells, but more importantly, with me as always Ian Boyd, Paul Waddlington, the X's and O's, and all the good background of InsideTexas.com is here. Please like our video and subscribe to the Inside Texas Football YouTube channel. We're climbing to that 8,000 mark. Help us get to that. Also, please come see us at InsideTexas.com. We're having a special today this month. IT1 gets you two months of InsideTexas.com. That'll get you in May. That'll get you in June for all the official visits and recruiting and all the team guys coming back for summer workouts. A lot of stuff going on, a really good time. Come see us at InsideTexas.com. Today, we're going to be talking about the new SEC arms race. And we're not talking about facilities. This isn't about indoor stadiums. This isn't about weight rooms. This isn't about new electronic locker rooms. This is about quarterback play. These are the arms. And it's deep in the SEC. We've talked about it a little bit before on this show. We're going to go a little bit deeper. My man, Ian Boyd, has these rules for quarterback play that we're going to go through because it really, I think, it really talks about what you need to succeed. And the SEC has a lot of good depth here. And so Ian Boyd, arms race, SEC, the four rules of quarterback play. What are you thinking? Well, if we can go and get that up, Mr. Producer, these are the four laws of college quarterback play that I conceived over at America's War Game, my sub-stack. And I really wanted to write this out and present this after Stetson Bennett won back-to-back National Championships. And then you look back and it's like, who's the last guy before that to win back-to-back National Championships, Justin? Oh, Matt Liner. No. Well, Liner, actually, if you count the 1 and 0, half the 1 and 0, 3 and 0, 4, Matt Liner went back-to-back. In between AJ McCarran. Oh, McCarran and Bama. Gotcha. Yeah. The list, if you look at the list, back-to-back championship quarterbacks, it is not a who's who, but famous NFL gunslingers, to say the least. In fact, if you look at National Championship quarterbacks in general, or title quarterbacks in general, like even at the league level, you routinely see game manager type quarterbacks propped up, to some extent, by NFL wide receivers. Maddie Mock. Do you remember that guy at LSU? Absolutely. 0-7 team, right? 0-7, 0-3, 0-7? They had two guys like that in 0-3 and 0-7 when they won. Yeah. 0-3 was, Maddie Mock, I think. I think 0-7 was the quarterback from Tyler Lee who wound up playing in the NFL for the Seahawks and the Packers. What was his, what was his, Flynn? Matt Flynn. Matt Flynn. There you go. That was another good example. So I wanted to go over, you know, when I think of the laws that dictate what makes a good college quarterback, and then we're going to get from there, we're going to go into the shape of the quarterbacks in the SEC next year, and it'll be very obvious that it is a imposing list to say the least. So this first one, I mean, I think these are almost self-explanatory, but number one, receivers make the passer. I think the most important thing for a college passing game is having one, at least an ideally two NFL or fringe NFL level wideouts. Part of that is because the nature of offense these days, college offensive coordinators are not drawing up a lot of like plays where the quarterback is dropping back and going one, two, three, and throwing to the open man, right? They're scheming the NFL guy to be open as the primary read. Even when they'll even run, coordinators will draw up traditional progression plays that are theoretically one, two, three, but they formation it and line it up in such a way where they are pretty sure the primary read is going to be open and that it's going to be the NFL guy. And so it's, I mean, when you have guys that can spring open, that's just the name of the game. That's how you play offense these days. It's like in the 80s and 90s, when maybe the most important thing was having a really dominant eye back, a tailback that could run the ball 25, 30 times a game and everything was oriented around setting him up to control the game. Nowadays, that guy doesn't matter so much and it's the receiver. You know what's funny too is with Stetson Bennett, those three receivers, I don't think necessarily were regarded as franchise or NFL level guys at the time, but now looking back at Niamichel, Lad McConkie, Jermaine Burton, all playing in the league now. So that's a good point. And Brock Powers, who was essentially a 240 pound slot receiver. I mean, that guy might have been the best player in college football. I mean, they barely even showed it off in Georgia, in my opinion. So Ian, a simplified version of this would be when the quarterback drops back to throw, the value of a good receiver is that if your first read is open, he can just throw the ball. Or if your second read, the second receiver, your reference is open, he can just throw the ball. It doesn't have to be this machine of reads and where you're attacking the coverage, right? When you have great receivers, you're attacking human mismatches on the field. And those are always there, almost irrespective of what the defense does. Yeah. And I mean, what you just said, I mean, so what do you avoid when that's the case most of the time? You don't have to protect that long, your quarterback doesn't have to have amazing pocket footwork. The quarterback doesn't have to know the protections as well. Your other receivers don't have to consistently get to the right spot. It's not as essential that they be as good, right? They could just be like burners or blockers or what have you. Everything, it becomes so much easier. Are we heading number two? Game isn't an insult. Why isn't that an insult? Under the style that I just outlined, what matters that quarterback is not necessarily having a guy that can throw the ball a mile, although that's helpful, that can process the field, although that is helpful. But a guy that is developed in a system that understands all the little dot plays that the coordinator can draw up to get the ball to his top receivers, and they can just memorize and understand a high volume of those, and then just execute the game plan and go distribute. So it's as long as he knows how to drop back, get the ball to the right spot and understand what the read is supposed to be. He doesn't have to be an amazing processor. He doesn't have to be amazing in the pocket. He doesn't have to have an amazing arm. He needs to be reasonably accurate, right? It becomes plain why a guy like Stetson Bennett could be so effective, or AJ McCarran. If you're AJ McCarran and your job is hand off to like Derek Henry or whoever they had in 2012, or throw on your first read to Calvin Ridley or Amari Cooper, right? It's not that complicated. I'm probably shorting McCarran a little bit, he's maybe a little better than I'm giving him credit for it, but he's tearing it up in the UFL right now. So the quarterback is increasingly just becoming like a joystick for the offensive coordinator. And so you want a machine, you want a reliable joystick that's going to make the right decisions that isn't going to try to cure a ball you out of a game or whatever else. Is it essentially doesn't turn the ball over? Yeah. Yeah. It's a hey, I'm not going to try to do too much kind of guy. I've got the weapons around me. I'm just going to plug in play and gets the ball out of time. So like when it's open, he actually throws it. Yeah, I think that's the key. I'd say two things for an effective game manager. One, you get the ball out on time within the offense. You're not always trying to hold it for the big play, right? Or you're going to bail from the pocket and try to hero ball it. Take the nine yard gain and move the chains, right? Because if your number one is good enough, the receivers make the passer that little nine yard gain, it's amazing how often in the college game that turns into a 27 yard gain because your receiver does something awesome with the ball in his hands. And then the second part, I would say is something we talked about earlier in a previous deep dives, duplicability and consistency. Yeah. Can you consistently make the accurate, open throw over and over and over? Now that is a skill. That actually is not easy. But if you can do those two things, you could be Mac Jones and you could be the trigger puller on one of the most dominant, incredible passing games any of us have ever seen. Because number one and number two, those those check boxes are happening. And if you're good enough at number one and number two, Ian, what might that say about number three? And before we talk about adding value, I want to talk to about a guy who adds value in every transaction he does. His name is Gabe Winslow. You can reach him at 832-557-1095. It's right there on your screen. If you're one of our beloved podcast listeners, just listen to the melodious sounds of the numbers as it rolls into your brain. 832-557-1095. If you're driving, pull over right now and write that down. Because if you're going to buy a house, this is a guy you want in your corner. He's not just a game manager. He's also a guy who can go out and win the game for you. He can do either one. The reason you want Gabe over 20 years in the industry, he's also a mortgage broker. He doesn't work for a big bank. So his name is part of this is what's at stake here. It's not Chase Bank. It's not Wells Fargo. And he has access to over 70 different lenders to shop and bid your structure competitively. When you go with Big Bank America, they have exactly one option for you. Let me suggest to you that 70 people bidding for your business is superior to one, unless you're a socialist. In which case, Gabe doesn't want your business. Give him a call. 832-557-1095. And now back to our game manager, Ian Boyd. Yeah. All right. So three running is where value add happens. So there's there's two places where this is true in the college game. They're both really obvious. If your quarterback can be a part of a run game, it gets much easier, right? It's one less guy that you have to block. Either you're reading him with a quarterback option, or you're blocking him with the running back. And then it just breaks down defensive structures. And then when they're overcompensating for your option run game, it's that much easier for your coordinator to dial up your receiver to be wide open. And then the second one is in improvisation. When you're running like the shot play style of offense, you don't always see this play out like this. But theoretically, if your quarterback can go drop back, get the ball out on time to the first read. Oh, wait, he's not open. Well, I'm just going to make something happen. I'm going to run around and find somebody. I'm going to run around and call my own number, whatever. That's it just it makes the shot play offense even more deadly on both levels. So like Caleb Williams is a very good example of this because Caleb Williams could hit the ball on time. He could run their counter option plays, and then he could just dance around for forever and hit something big. Kyle Murray, too, in the Lincoln Riley offense was also very effective at this. Vince Young, obviously, Colt McCoy. So Ian, you're saying running has two components. One is the ability to run to pass. In other words, to buy time. And another is just purely, hey, this wasn't a great play call. They're kind of on this or the receiver ran the wrong route, but they're in man. I'm going to tuck the ball down and I'm going to run for 14 yards and we get a new set of downs to figure this out again. Yeah, I know I will actually say this is a tangential in the NFL. I think this is wildly overrated. The guys that want to do this in the NFL routinely fall apart in big moments, unless they're good, real quarterbacking. But in college, it's it's very rare that you run into defenses that can really handle it. It's very hard to stop. When I saw number three, my first thought was Sam Ellinger. But but I also feel like a lot of his was almost hero ball on third downs a lot of times, but but it does it really does correlate with that. No, go ahead. Hero ball and the spin. It was the design of the offense, you know, in a way, I think. Unfortunately, it was. I think there's a there's an alternate world that Longhorn fans would be very surprised if Steve Sarkeesian had been able to coach Sam. They would have been very surprised to see a guy who would drop back and be number one and number two, and just deliver the ball and just be a quarterback and not have to bail. Well, what what. Ellinger always bailed what left or he always bailed right. Even when he had protection, because usually the routes weren't timed up. So he was just hoping for someone to spring open when they're running the scramble drill. But I think there's an alternate world where Ellinger got different coaching and he actually turns into a pretty competent dropback passer and game manager. I'll never forget when Sark took the job, the first phone call he made was to was to Sam and he said, Hey, come back. Be my Jake Locker. And Sam's, I appreciate it, coach, but no, thank you. I'm sorry. I got Jake Locker picked number 10 in the draft. There was some magic happening there. Y'all, y'all made this a sad, sad episode. Well, let's try to get it revived again. Bring us number four. I'm bringing up. Here we go. Here we go. Dropback passing is an old man's game. It's just clicked off. He is no longer viewing this episode as we read number four. Dive into that one, Ian. This one is the least intuitive, I think, of the four. What I mean by this is that true progression passing, where you have a play where your quarterback is in charge of the protection. He's got to know who's hot, how to get the ball out, and he's dropping back and he's making a number of multiple reads and decisions on every play. That does not happen. That doesn't happen all that much in the NFL sometimes now. It does not happen very often in college. The only time you see it is with like fourth or fifth year quarterbacks that have just been around long enough to get to that level of play or from like very rare special guys, like honestly, James Winston is a red shirt freshman, and then as a red shirt sophomore was remarkably good at this under Jimbo Fisher, and then like nobody ever was again. And although he also had NFL receivers to get back to number one. Calvin Archmanning might have this as well where he could do this at a young age. It kind of looks that way to me. We'll see for sure maybe this year or next. But usually it's like like Vince Young was a red shirt junior before he was really good at dropback passing. Like even the year that they went and played Michigan in the Rose Bowl, Vince Young was low key kind of terrible at progression passing. And Cole McCoy, if you watch Cole McCoy, he was unbelievably good at it in 2008 as a red shirt junior. Yes. And the year before he threw 18 interceptions. It is Chris Sims was like this. Quinn Ewers we may see in his fourth year finally flipped the switch and start to get really good at this. We've had we've done episodes on that and we'll see how that comes along. But there's so many skills that go into it that you just you usually don't see it until a guy has been honing his craft for years and years. It almost feels like number four is as important as number one in a sense. I guess it goes back to the veterans like in the SEC this year a lot of these guys have a lot of snaps. A lot of games started a lot of experience. You know I guess I'm asking is the team the quarterback the most veteran laden quarterback the most you know teams centered around that guy. Do you see that guy? Do you see that team being in the top half of the SEC? Do you see Texas kind of in that upper echelonion? We'll see. I mean it's going to depend on some guys making a leap like Paul always like to talk about like Joe Burrow in his last year at LSU was one of the best maybe the best progression passer I've ever seen at the college level. And that was like I think his fifth year in the college game right and it took that long. He probably had a little more of that skill that was hidden previously that Brady was able to bring out the new the new offensive guy that they brought in that season. But it also just took I think that some of that time for Burrow to reach that level of understanding college defenses and understanding all the tricks of the trade. So go ahead and Mr. Producer pull up our list. You got a few different guys that could maybe be that this season. I think Carson Beck is going to be one that's going to stand out at Georgia this is his second year as a starter. He's with who's their offensive coordinator out there now? Bobo? Yeah. He's a Bobo. Mike Bobo is the guy that will teach that to him if he has enough time and we'll see how that goes. Quinn Eurus obviously could start to reach that level this season. You kind of want to keep an eye out for a guy like Peyton Thorne who's just been around for forever and might suddenly have that capacity unexpectedly if he has some guys that he can throw to. If we can scroll down Connor I'll tell you if I see any other guys that stand out as potential. I see some wide receivers that need to be noted but go ahead Ian. Maybe Garrett Nussmeyer? Yeah I was going to say he's a good example of a guy that you may think he doesn't fit the requirements that Ian's talking about because he hasn't been the starter. He's actually pretty experienced in the system and LSU has been keeping him around and paying him to stay around for a reason. He's a potentially very gifted guy and he's been there since 2021. He was a 2021 recruit and so he may not have all the game reps that these other guys have but he does have time in the system and time just to mature in general helps that he has a can and arm as well and also his dad Doug Nussmeyer quarterback guy and he's got a little brother Colton who's a 2026 quarterback prospect at Flower Mound. I believe Garrett also started for three years in high school too which does make a difference. It's not the same but it definitely helps. So Ian to check your stipulations on your list the laws of the iron laws of quarterback it seems like you're two best candidates in the SEC. There's a lot of experience here but the two best candidates are Beck and yours and then I might argue Jackson Dart and Brady Cook. Brady Cook to burden is huge. Yeah that that texture you know elite receiver at number one because some of these guys you know if you reference number one you know the receivers make the passer there's not a lot of guys with a lot of experience there. I mean Andrew Armstrong at Arkansas he came from Texas A&M at Commerce. He was playing D2 ball at East Texas. Kelly Akari was playing junior college ball at Tyler junior college two years ago not coming out in Mississippi State so but then you got that Luther Burton that's a dude that's going to be in the NFL in a couple years and Brady Cook I think is fifth year guy third year starting that checks a lot of Ian's boxes in my opinion. He can he can run a little bit too. Yep. I'm actually starting to think that Jalen Milrow made checks and boxes. So last year he was an anti-game manager because he would hold on to the ball forever and take sacks and occasionally turnovers. He did not get the ball out on time. He had receivers and he didn't use them very well but it all kind of worked out because his running was so valuable right so much value add from that. I was shocked in the spring game by how much better he looks immediately at actually getting the ball out quickly to the shot that Jalen DeBore had lined up for him. So if you add that and I mean Jeremy Bernard is going to be good they still have other guys at Alabama. If he's actually like on time and game managing for Jalen DeBore but then still adding his amazing running ability then Jalen Milrow will end up being outstanding this year. A quick thing on DeBore that I don't think most people know because they just associate DeBore with Michael Pennix and his predilections and frankly the desire and the need to keep Pennix upright and healthy. Jalen DeBore has a long history of running the quarterback and quarterback designed run game at his prior stops to Washington. So people who are thinking that he needs strictly just a passing quarterback that is actually not his history. His history is designing the quarterback run game and then marrying it to this amazing offensive system which he is just fantastic at coaching. So Jalen Milrow could absolutely level up and if he doesn't you might see a guy who's a pre-season Heisman contender actually get benched believe it or not. So that's it that's that is possible. I don't think it's likely but it's possible. I don't think we'd be remiss if we didn't point out if you can scroll down to the bottom of the list Mr. Producer. Oh here it comes. Nick Anderson is a very promising player I'll say that. But that's a tough scene there for Oklahoma. No good tackles. They got a guy that got pinched at USC playing left tackle for them in the spring game. Second year quarterback in his first year starting in a new league. Every time I read a pre-season thing about Oklahoma that's like hey they have a chance and it's going to be because Jackson Arnold I'm like that that is a tough if you if you stack him up with the other quarterbacks in the SEC does not look like they're going to get a big advantage from having Jackson Arnold mind center. Maybe interesting Ian is both Tennessee and OU are counting quite a bit on their five-star young quarterback just being a stud from the get-go. And so I think there's some people who are knowledgeable about football who and I know your answer for this that's why I'm setting you up. There's people that are knowledgeable about football saying hey man I've actually seen freshmen and sophomore phenoms at quarterback five ten years ago come out Johnny Manziel. Whatever happened to him is not relevant. The guy was a revelation early in his career and was a one-man gang and not a system quarterback and he did everything wrong but he made it right on the field with the force of his ability. Why is that not a relevant comparison anymore Ian Boyd? Because defenses have caught up to the spread offense in a lot of ways and they do not sit back and give you easy clean looks for the quarterback to know exactly where to throw the ball. So like when you get into the game manager deal the coordinator does everything you can to set up the quarterback for just a quick primary read but boy it gets so much easier when the quarterback drops back and the defense is in the same look every snap and he knows before the ball snapped for sure where he's going to throw it and it was like that in college football for a couple years before defenses figured out like we got to change things up we got to show different looks we have to move after the snap so when the quarterback drops back he doesn't see what he thought he would see and it's just a very different game. The guys that you see now that are really good in their first or second year are much more unique and they're also usually almost always like terrific runners that can drop back be like oh that's not what I expected but then just make something happen anyway like Kayla Williams. Ian let me offer I always like to flip the battlefield because I think you've made a really good hypothesis and thesis here about experienced arms and married to wide receiver talent and then the ability to game manage when necessary and the ability to create with your feet when necessary if needed. The other side of that is what SEC teams can stop this because we see this array of quarterback talent the SEC without a doubt has the best quarterback talent of any conference in 2004 or we see that's array so who can stop these guys that might be the the teams I'm interested in looking at to potentially over perform or at least there's on a challenge and what I've come up with the best four positioned at least are Georgia Oklahoma Texas A&M and Texas and then I think there's a chance for Alabama and maybe Kentucky I think that the last one would surprise people but those seem like the best position defenses to provide at least a speed bump to these guys and a lot of that's going to rest on past defense so is it just pure talent in your secondary or is it also coordination gentlemen? Coordination and also experience like I think especially it's safety but probably a quarterback too you really really want and college football the third fourth fifth year guys back there that have seen a lot of football and can get to the right spots in coverage not get fooled not get fooled by the quarterback trying to look one way when he's always going to throw the other way you know and the interesting thing here is that because of the transfer portal and because of the winnowing of college football conferences into the into the big two as you like to call them Paul every SPC team from here on out might be able to check off a lot of boxes that they wouldn't check off before like there's really no reason why you wouldn't have a veteran quarterback with really good proven receivers around him every single season because if your young guys aren't ready you should just go to the portal and get them from a g5 or from a or from a previous power five times cool right like an acc or some big 12 or something the level of experience and talent we're seeing on that list might just be the new normal so Ian the one counterpoint to that might be we've got resource issues you've got a payroll now in college football so what we saw with Oklahoma is they had a very experienced senior quarterback with some flaws but an incredibly successful college career in Dylan Gabriel and then they had the five-star up-and-comer and honestly Ian they couldn't afford both and they weren't both gonna stay Jackson Arnold could not was not going to stay there if they gave Dylan Gabriel the job again and if Dylan Gabriel was told hey Jackson Arnold's competing for the job with you this year he would not have stayed and they can't afford both of them you know they only have so much NIL to throw around yeah Dominic Williams notwithstanding but I think that's the only counterpoint is that you do have an element of resource management now in college football and so it is very helpful and vital to have an arch-manning who they're not his his career ain't controlled by street agents it's it's the Manning family they understand the seasoning of a quarterback they understand the way to ruin a promising young quarterback is to give them too much too early and so they were happy to buy their time and let Quinn viewers return and those arch will still get his two years starting at Texas and make his name but that's a rare situation and arch has his own alternate NIL right he has legitimate NIL so I think that's an interesting counterpoint and but it's a pretty narrow one Ian so I think you're right is that the worst situation you should be in and I'm saying worse and quotes is the Garrett Nussmeyer situation to LSU where the guy sticks around and then he's gonna start this year and Garrett Nussmeyer is gonna throw for 3,500 yards and 30 touchdowns like I can promise you that so it's not like they're gonna have this huge drop off at quarterback and I'm talking about that a Heisman winner so that's kind of the goal that Ian is talking about and that seems to be what Steve Sarkeesian setting up at Texas am I wrong yeah I mean Texas has NIL resources for days like another program that does it like say Ole Miss maybe one year you have veteran Jackson Dart at quarterback and so you're like we're gonna push in all our money this year right and we're gonna buy up every player that enters the portal and then maybe maybe in the next year you don't have that veteran quarterback and you have a younger guy maybe you hold some of your cash and reserve for when he's older or you dedicate it to high score or whatever I think we're gonna see more of that kind of that kind of management from teams that don't that can't just that cannot actually afford to contend at like a playoff level every single year and that goes back to Ian talking about the new normal I think that's part of the new normal resource allocation in NIL status you know going with an older quarterback rather than maybe the younger five star or taking that risk if you're a new coach you know that first year you might be able to get away with playing that five-star freshman sophomore whether rather if you're a third or fourth year and you really need to win this year you're probably going to go in the portal to get a guy that can at least get you nine ten wins if possible it's the new normal and that's what makes it fascinating and that's what I love about the SEC arms race uh it the quarterback play is just deep gentlemen this was this was introspective this was this was this was awesome Ian and Paul thank you so much guys like I love coming in with this because you guys have always got interesting you know data points on each one of these factors hey come like our video and subscribe to the inside Texas football youtube channel we really do appreciate making you making us a part of your day and and hanging out with us at inside texas.com if you want to use the promo code IT1 and that will 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06:37 2. Game Manager Isn't an Insult
11:07 3. Running Is Where Value-Add Happens
14:58 4. Dropback Passing is an Old Man's Game
18:40 SEC QB/WR Pairings List
24:26 How To Limit Good QB Play
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