"When the scribes and Pharisees asked our Lord about the greatest commandment, He replied, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'" So why do we hear some of today's most prominent pastors saying things like this? It had everything to do with how we talk about the Bible. And specifically, along with that, what we point to as the foundation of faith, which for most Christians, unfortunately, is the Bible. We need to do better. We need to love God with all our hearts and stand unashamedly on the rock of His Word. We need to love the Lord with all of our souls and respond to the worldview issues of our day, with the wisdom and discernment that comes only from Him. We need to love the Lord with our minds and understand the calling of God's people in every area of life in God's world. We need to love the Lord our God with all our strength and face the work of building a life-giving God-honoring culture. Join us for four days at the Cultural Leadership Academy as we consider how the gospel influences all of life and culture and the role that we have to play in applying foundational Christian thinking to every area of life. Non-rockabotas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it. We're going to bark all day. Little doggy. Where are you going to bite? Delusional. Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you call me delusional using your worldview as perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt. It's young up on me. Yes! Oh my God! What? What? Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage. Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make roses. Right. Don't go into the world and make cronies. Right. Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, Pasta. When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say their speaking truth when they're not. [Music] And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you, and behold I'm with you always to the end of the age." Matthew chapter 28 verses 18 through 20. What's up everybody? Welcome to a very special episode of Apology of Radio. This is the Gospel heard around the world. I want to encourage everybody as you're getting on today, share this episode. It is exclusive right now to Apology of Radio. 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Actually, we were at our man camp, and just two people at the same day brought up, Captain Brad Geary from the commander at Buds in San Diego and super awesome Christian man, and we're going to let him explain what's going on, but before that, before I bring him on, I want to play this clip from Buds Class 234. Whoo! Everybody knows. Everybody knows. I think I just watched it for about the sixth time to find this clip. Yeah, I know you've watched a lot, yeah. Super good. So this is towards the end, and this is on San Clemente, and this, I found this clip, and I was so excited because it's perfect for what we're dealing with today. So here, Gabe, I got that pulled up. I'm going to play this here real quick. 10 pushups per item. 10 pushups per item? Should have said five pushups per item. Pushups per item. Geary and Engineering are caught breaking the rules. Geary's nickname is "The Reverend," earned because of his steadfast refusal to curse out loud. The Reverend will now pay in full for his sins, yet he knows that Buds is a game of wits as well as honor, and it always pays to be a winner. 160 pushups? All right. What about the food? That was my script, Chief. You can do it every once in a while. Well, I know what you're script. I know. There's no doubt about that. You're earning it. You might as well keep it. All right. Go get what? Do your pushups. Right to that. We're going to do the pushups. Right outside, Chief, sir. Five, six, seven, eight, nine, fifty. All right. Let's reach out. What happened after the pushups? It's free and clear. We get to take our gear, and we still have a lot of cleaning to do tonight, so we late night. One, two. I had to go outside candy in my locker. We're supposed to have it in the fridge. Eight. That's a pretty big rule. Two great rules. You gotta be willing to pay the risk, yeah? It doesn't pay out. Ready? Yeah. You want to do 50 more? You guys could cheat, but is there fun that there's always someone over your shoulder? Yeah, I mean, you get that being bugs and integrity issue all the time. I don't think it's probably worth it to get caught cheating on it. You know, if they know they get caught, they're going to get hammered. Go on. Go on. Plus, like, Chief leaving us to do it on our own. That's a huge display of his faith in us that, you know, we're going to do what we need to do, you know? I made a deal with him to earn her stuff back. That's a big deal. I would never -- I'd never crossed, Chief. The last sheet is done and over with. I don't think they'll be doing it again. All right. So how many -- how many push-ups was that for candy? How many was that? About 200? I think it was about 200, maybe? Yeah, probably, yeah. It was a lot. Yeah. Well, let's find out. Brad Geary, welcome to the show, brother. Appreciate you having me today. Thank you very much. It's funny to me that you found that old clip. It was a good memory. Well, I was thrilled when I found out you were going to be on because I was like, "Yep. I know where I'm going to find a clip of him." Yeah. Yeah. How many push-ups was it? Do you remember? It's been so long, not 100% sure. I do think it was somewhere upwards in the 400s, if I remember. Ah. So full circle, huh? We were talking about this at the intro. We were made famous for buds when you didn't really want to. And now you're in the spotlight again for something you don't want to be. That's right. Yeah. Full circle. A lot of people don't remember that that was filmed pre-9/11. And that was when the Navy was looking to increase their recruitment for naval special warfare. And as a class, we protested when we found out we didn't want to be filmed. It's not why we were joining the SEAL teams. And we were, you know, a "chief tree size" there hammered for our protest and told to just do it. So we did it. And then over the years, people tried to find us, figure out where are they now. I thought it was pretty funny because I went dark for decades at that point. Very much valued staying in the shadows. Never wanted to be in the limelight. So here we are at the end of my career thrust into the very limelight. I've been avoiding for quite some time. Yeah. So why don't you just give us a brief rundown of your career and what's brought you to this point and why we got you on today? Yeah, I appreciate that. It's been a fantastic career. I've been very fortunate, very blessed. Obviously you saw the beginnings of it. I was married when I started that program. My wife and I graduated college the very next week, got married. And the week after that, drove to San Diego to start our life together in Coronado. Bounced all over the place. Did a lot of East Coast based SEAL teams early on. Came back out West for some post-graduate degree work. Back East for more rotations. After 9/11 happened, they stopped filming us after the Buds 2.34. We hit third phase. But it was later in SEAL qualification training, right as we were about to graduate when 9/11 happened. My original plan with my wife was five and out. I didn't see this as a sustainable lifestyle for a family. And that's what I wanted the most. Everything changed that morning as it did for so many of us across. And from then on, we just kept feeling called to fulfill the duty in a service greater than ourselves. So we deployed countless times. We moved eight cross-country moves to include out to Hawaii at one point. And culminated out there in a commanding officer tour. I was very fortunate to get where we partnered with our submarine brothers and in our undersea element. And then finally culminating most recently where I was provided a bonus opportunity to command our basic training command, which is where it all starts for all SEAL and SWIC warfighters. Never in a million years back when 2.34 was filmed that I ever imagined I would be back there on that grinder building our generations of SEAL and SWIC. But I'll tell you, of all the cool operational things I got to experience overseas and the fun I had tactically, the most fulfilling job yet was at the production factory there, pouring into this next generation, pouring into our cadre. And every single day you go home from a job like that and you know what you did. You positively acted a human being. And that's something that's not measurable. It's something that will carry forward for decades beyond my career. You know, we serve here, but when you finish up, your name's on a plaque somewhere and you're quickly forgotten. It's just the way the nature of the beast. So what a legacy to leave by pouring into these next generations and give them the baton and they are equipped and ready. I'll tell you that. That's awesome brother. So, yeah, where are we at today? What's taking place in your life and what do we need to hear from you today? Well, you read the article. There's a lot of unanswered questions and I'm very thankful for the congressional support and senatorial support we have right now and I'm thankful for them asking these hard questions and for listening to me. You know, we face the tragedy and it's taken us to a place in a path that I did not want to be on. I already mentioned didn't want to be in this limelight. Everything looked good for us to continue on in our naval service. And unfortunately, that is now changed. Yeah, I know I don't want to forget our other guesses on as well. And that's your attorney. Davis the ounce with stand with warriors are good friend who's been on several times. Let me Davis. I want to bring you in real quick and say hi. Hey brother. There he is. There's that beard shining through. So, yeah, I know. I know there's only so much that Brad can save right now that's going on with this. So as his lawyer, what would you like to add to that? Before we shift. Let me just highlight real quick. To your point there. And I appreciate you saying that. I should have let off this whole thing with just a reminder that anything I say out here is strictly human views personal. Not reflective of any of the Navy's positions on any of the special warfare's. In addition to Davis, we have my other attorney Jason where I'm on as well. Back to like we never in a million years did I ever think I'd have two attorneys. I'll keep me keep stepping on my own feet here in this interview. So now over to you. Sorry about that Davis. No, that's that's great brother. Nowhere is there. Yeah. And look, we can kind of approach this couple of different ways. Jason can really give kind of the nuts and bolts of where we're at on the legal case. He's been working with Brad from the beginning fighting this fight for a long time now. So he can give you real specifics of where the legal case is at. And then I can certainly kind of talk to big picture and why I was so interested in getting involved with this. Why stand with Warriors wanted to take on this fight as well. Perfect. Let's go for that Jason. Welcome to the show brother. Thanks very much. I'm glad to be here and I'm really thankful that you've given us the opportunity to get Ken Gary's message a little whiter than we already have and we've come pretty quiet. Where we're at is, you know, back when Stephen Mullins passed, there was an investigation almost immediately. That investigation was really hastily done in my opinion. We were, I was brought in about the time that Captain Gary was given a notification that he was going to be sent to nonjudicial punishment. It just didn't seem right from the start. We hadn't really been provided any documents related to the investigation at that time. In fact, in order to view this unclassified investigation, I was forced to displace from Colorado, where I practiced to Virginia and sit in a skiff, a secured compartmentalized information facility used for classified information to review an unclassified document or series of documents that I've been doing this long enough that set off some bells in my head, going something's going on here. But once I got a hold of that investigation, we saw the holes, if you will, and the hasty rush to judgment. This led to us filing an administrative response to that investigation, pointing out all the problems with it, you know, soup to nuts. The offer of nonjudicial punishment was retracted. They went back and did a whole other investigation, thousands of pages long. At the end of the day that found that there were minor procedural variations at Buds that they found in any command, and then ultimately, you know, substantiated what we knew to be true that, in my opinion, that Captain Gary and his cadre had executed a professional curriculum from the start. Despite the findings of this investigation and these minor procedural variations, we were immediately notified that he was again going to be sent to nonjudicial punishment. And at that point, we had a decision to make, and looking at all of the issues covered more specifically in the Sentinel and then other news press releases we've gone through, we refused nonjudicial punishment. We said, absolutely not. We'd rather be trying to court Marshall and defend ourselves than to submit to this far as far as I'm concerned in an attempt to scapegoat Captain Gary in his cadre. For odd purposes, at which point now we sit in limbo. The command has said, hey, we're going to send him to a board of inquiry, which is an administrative hearing seeking to kick people out of the military. They recommended that that occur, but that was months ago that that happened. And I filed some appropriate responses there to include the fact that given the evidence we've found so far that the Secretary of the Navy and the Navy itself is disqualified from acting in this case, and we asked it to go up to DOD instead. But despite our filings, despite our requests, they've just kept him there, working at desk, told to stand by until they decide to do something. And that's where we're at today. So how is that not scary for a quick summary? That was about as quick as you can wrap up the last two and a half years into a two-minute summary. I would also add that as part of this whole process, we recently just decided enough waiting, and we requested to retire in lieu of that board. That request has to go up to the Secretary. I'm not sure whether he'll approve it or not. But we have asked that. And thankfully, I am grateful that my command has endorsed that request and advocated for me to just move on to the next season of life. So evolve. If I could briefly be a lawyer there, it's not in lieu of that board. They haven't issued anything on the board. We just said, you know what? It's time for Cat and Geary to move on to bigger and better the way he's been treated. So we actually submitted what's called an unqualified request for resignation because there's more Cat and Geary you can do in this world than the Navy's willing to allow me to do at this point. So the Sentinel article, it's a RepublicSentinel.com. It's an exclusive how Navy leadership misled the public after seal candidate death. And the intro goes, when Navy's enlistee Kyle Mullen died after Hell Week two years ago, the nation was falsely led to believe that training conditions under Captain Bradley, Geary were instrumental in his demise. So that's where this all starts and now we're sort of at the tail end of things. Can you bring us just a little bit into that discussion so that our listeners, our audience, understand what happens and the details of what happened and what led to this and what are some of the things that were ignored via evidence and those sorts of things? What do we need to know? Sure. I mean, again, there's so much to try to encapsulate it. I'll do the best I can. Sure. I think everyone's aware that Seaman Kyle Mullen's passed away immediately following Hell Week and that generated an appropriate response to include an autopsy and the rest that autopsy found that among other things he died of pneumonia along with contributing factors that may have been at least depends which investigation or autopsy we're talking about. The autopsy actually found that he died of pneumonia with contributing factors being in a large heart. Investigation related to that incident originally found that performance enhancing drugs may have been a contributing factor to the death. From that point, the Navy has taken an inordinate amount of time and an odd focus on placing the blame, not on Seaman Mullen's and what might have been some health issues that were impacting him, but instead almost immediately blaming Captain Gary and his cadre for procedural variations or conduct that just isn't supported by the evidence. Okay. Where we have run into problems, more significant problems through the last two years or so, it appears that this decision to prejudge Captain Gary occurred very early on that there are reports that somebody at the secretary at the Navy level considered any mention of Seaman Mullen's health problems or the facts involving performance-tensing drugs as victim blaming and that we weren't going to victim blame. This, I believe, shaped much of the autopsy determinations and the autopsy testing that was done. For example, there was only a standard talk screen done, not something that would have tested for performance-tensing drugs. Oddly, much of the evidence was not retained in methods that could be later tested. And then, unfortunately, as part of the natural process of releasing the body, they lost access to additional evidence that would have explained exactly what went on here. And so, at the core of this has been a confrontation of top maybe leadership and their choices in this matter and specifically around the public responses and kind of shaping of the narrative that is most egregiously demonstrated in a press release that we have evidence was changed, where originally a press release from the secretary of the Navy was going to go out that said something to the effect of, you know, Seaman Kyle Mullen's diet of pneumonia with contributing causes or contributing factors including, you know, the enlarged heart of cardiomeglia as well as performance-attancing drugs, which is what the first investigation determined was likely true. We then learned that based on requests from non-navy persons that the Navy decided to change their narrative and explicitly state that performance-attancing drugs were not a contributing cause to Seaman Mullen's death. And that has really been a falsehood that has tainted this investigation from the get-go and has been much of our primary focus to try to expose what is the truth in this matter and ultimately as we view it and ultimately to defend the honor of not only Captain Gary but his cadre and the medical personnel at Lutz. That's very helpful. Thank you so much for doing that. Davis, on to you, if I may. Davis, how do we find ourselves in this situation? It seems like over the last couple of years the Lord has allowed Apologia and yourself to sort of standing up for our Navy SEAL brothers and our warriors. I'll just bring everyone just quickly into that conversation to bring Davis in so you kind of know how we were connected to this and the Lord seems to keep doing this with us. Years ago when the COVID vaccine thing was happening and the Navy SEALs were being threatened, even with jail, at the time or the loss of their careers, Navy SEALs got a hold of us and we had a private meeting in Virginia with a bunch of active duty Navy SEALs that were going to resist the jab and they were going to resist it on the basis of their Christian convictions and their Christian worldview. And so we met with them privately. We had an entire day with them. I think it was from somewhere around 8 a.m. to almost 10 o'clock at night. A bunch of Navy SEALs from different teams. It was a humbling experience. And the Navy SEALs that day took a vote and asked that I would be the one that would break this story to the media. And so we were able to communicate with numerous outlets and we were able to organize how to do it. Davis was with us that day. That's a miracle story in itself and how we got connected to Davis and he got there. Believe me, I can't share that right now. Go watch the past episode on that. And so we were able to drop the story and expose what the Navy SEALs were facing, the tyranny they were facing and with the jab. And that pulled back a lot of that tyranny. And Davis has been involved since the very beginning with that and now he's involved with this. And so Davis, when you and I have approached this in defending the SEALs from the tyranny of their own government at times and exposing stuff and making sure that their plight is known because like Captain Gary says, they want to operate in the shadows. They don't want to come out in the open. They're the silent professionals. We've been advocating for them in these times and we've made sure that people understand that, you know, these are Christian men. They're godly men. They're our best warriors and best warriors in history. But when they take these stands, they do so because of their Christian commitments and their fidelity to the word of God and the Christian worldview. And so that has a lot to do with what's happening right now with Captain Gary. And even with what Davis, you would be doing involved with this. You're doing it because of principle. You're doing it because of ultimately God's standards and the hope that we'll live in a world with truth and justice and a world that puts down lies. And so Davis, give us some of your input on this. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for the opportunity to do that. Yeah, this is one of those situations that's perfect for stand with warriors, why we started it, you know, with apology at church, why we wanted to do that. You know, Captain Gary is a strong, a faithful Christian with an outstanding testimony who simply wants to serve and do his best, right? Do justice live up to those standards. And this is a situation. This is a case. Once I looked at it, talked to Jason and got involved, to me, and I'll say things that Captain Gary can't say, and these are, in my opinion, so they shouldn't be attributed to him. But this is a situation where the Navy has come in, the big Navy has come in, it is absolutely victim-blaming, but this is an opportunity by some in the Pentagon, I believe, to try to take over what I see as one of the last vestiges of the military that's doing things well, which is this training for these Navy SEALs, Navy SEALs haven't been made woke yet. And there is this constant agenda of dumbing down of lowering standards. And Captain Gary is someone who has stood up to that, who has tried to hold things to the standard. And in this case, he's acted with integrity. The reality is there was evidence. There was information available. There was suspected performance enhancing drug use by these candidates. That's what's dangerous. Absolutely this training is dangerous. Absolutely people will get injured. These are Navy SEALs. This is what we have to put them through to prepare them for the mission. But the reality is, Captain Gary and his teams were doing things to call this out. They were trying to investigate these performance enhancing drugs and other things. They were turned down, legal told them no. They weren't able to do their job well to prevent something like this. And they did things by the book in this situation. But in the fallout from this, there was an issue of the overriding agenda and mindset at the Pentagon was, don't blame a victim. How dare we blame a victim? That will be uncomfortable. We're going to change the narrative. We're going to find someone to blame. We're going to find someone to scapegoat. And unfortunately, in this case, it was Captain Gary and just there are small things in this investigation that are just deeply, deeply troubling. For example, they did this autopsy. They collected samples and when they test for drugs, there's a normal talk screen when you're testing for steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. It's much harder to do. There's another step involved in that process. Here they never did that testing and then they release a press statement and they come out knowing big navy knows they didn't do that testing and they say, well, there was no no toxicological evidence that said that performing enhancing drugs were involved, leading the American public to believe, oh, they did drug testing and they found no evidence of performing enhancing drugs. It's simply not true. So this narrative was altered. But again, if to understand why I'm so passionate about this case is I see this is a microcosm of what we're dealing with when we have Christian men who want to hold to a biblical standard, who want to have equal weight in measures, who want to do this right, who want to preserve the best parts of our military and they stand up, they tell the truth, they won't compromise and this is what happens. So that's why I was passionate about this. That's why I stand with warriors. The team with Sam with Warriors wanted to be involved with this and we want to help. I can't even begin to explain how expensive this has been for Captain Geary and what this has looked like and Jason has deferred legal fees and other things. He's done everything he can. But just the little steps of going to a skiff to examine documents in this case has made it complicated. So part of what we're hoping to do through Sam with Warriors just like we did for Navy Seals is get people that are interested in this battle to donate to Sam with Warriors and the first priority with the money that comes in from that is going to be to support the legal defense. We think this has to be done well and it has to be exposed. The other thing we're hoping for and I would ask people to do is contact your Congressman and Senators. We are pushing, we are pushing to get a hearing on this in Congress to talk about what's happening. We don't want to see, I don't want to see big Navy come in and take over this training in such a way that's going to lower the standards and prevent us from being able to have the most lethal fighters in history. So I know that's a lot. I didn't mean to grandstand like that guys, but that's obviously why I'm passionate about this situation. No, I love it, I appreciate that. So just to clarify a couple of things, I don't know who wants to answer this, but from reading the article it sounds like they found the PEDs in Mullins' car, I believe. And so I know you guys had mentioned that Captain Gary, you've been trying to look into the use of PEDs specifically at Buds, is that your guys' opinion, is that a pretty significant issue right now or at least two years ago when this took place? It's a great question and I can offer, having done multiple tours within our basic training command, in any industry where you value physical performance, there's always going to be a temptation for candidates to cut corners, look for schools, you see it in the professional sports industry, it's going to happen. And whenever there's a demand like that, I'd offer that the black market can probably keep up at a faster pace than we can keep up to test. There's a reason why it took so many years to catch some of these professional athletes out there when you had all the science in the world pouring into it. We've been trying to catch up to that for a while. We've been very limited by resources and authorities, but yes, we look into that. I'd offer also though, there's been a lot of hyperbole out there in the news making this seem like a bigger problem than it is. We bring in men of integrity and character who come to our doorstep. They're also young men and young men make mistakes, you know, shocking realization to all of us that guys from 18 to 20 years old will sometimes make bad judgment calls. I don't know if you guys are experiencing that in your lives, but join the club. So we do our best to deter that when these guys come to our front doorstep, even though it's already prohibited, we make them sign another document that I sign as well as the commanding officer. So it's a written agreement that we all say we are going to not do these things because it can cause health problems when you combine that with our arduous training. We have to understand the full clinical picture of every candidate because if something goes wrong and in some of the most high risk training in the world, our world class physicians and corpsmen and medical professionals need to know exactly what they're treating and what they might do, which could contraindicate with some other chemical that might be in your body that they don't know about. That is a critical piece of the information here and we've done everything we could to go after this. When we first started hearing rumors about it, we brought in drug-stiffing dogs as a deterrent factor for the candidates. We're well knowing that drugs don't sniff pets, but we did it simply as a deterrent factor. We asked to search vehicles knowing that candidates would likely be hiding them in their vehicles and we were told no, we don't have those legal authorities. Had we been advised accurately in that moment, the first thing we would have done was search our Hell Week vehicles knowing those are the most at-risk candidates in our population. We would have discovered these drugs and we would have stopped till we immediately, 100%. There were things that we tried to do, but weren't able to get after the problem. I'd also like to offer, and this has been publicly released by multiple people within this investigation, so I can comment, that when we talk performance-dancing drugs, the things we found were not cans of protein powder. We recovered injectable testosterone sippingate that had Pakistani labels on it. We recovered injectable human growth hormone from the Netherlands and a strobele, sildinafil, other unknown vials of other liquids, beyond all that, what else has been released in the press is that we had NCIS recovered text threads with Kyle discussing this with four other people in various threads admitting to injecting, and not only that, asking about where do we procure more, contacting said drug dealer and arranging payment for these services and admitting he had a bad reaction in his buttocks at the injection site from apparently a bad batch, indicating that some of these drugs they were procuring on the black market from Pakistan might have contaminants in them. By the way, none of those vials were ever tested for these contaminants. We just don't know. There's so much information out there that was never pursued, and I later found out those other text threads with other people talking about using drugs, those were other candidates of mine, and we had that information within a month and a half of his death, and yet that was never disclosed to me. So I was allowed to continue commanding some of the most high-risk training in the world, accepting blind risk that other candidates in my formation that we had evidence to support were using these drugs that was never disclosed to me. Wow. Interesting. Davis, one of the things that you mentioned was justice, equal weights and measures, and that's been so at the forefront of our pursuit of methodology, even in our past experience dealing with the jab issue and trying to defend the seals and break their story, is that we've approached this with essentially a Christian worldview in terms of biblical law. I mean, we talked a lot that day with the seals in Virginia Beach trying to encourage them that they were actually the ones who were righteous in what they were doing and their resistance, that they were actually holding to the principles that the nation was set up on, and that is primarily the principle of Lex Rex, the law is king. We were there trying to encourage them as Christian men and as seals, that they put their hand up to swear an oath before God to defend that constitution and hold to it, and so much of all of that that's led into our modern context in terms of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, even case law examples that we had started with John Jay, the first Supreme Court justice, he's appealing directly to the Bible, quoting the passages, so much of what we have behind us that we try to stand on is from the biblical worldview, God's standards of justice, and in this case, in this case in particular, it's very revealing. You have an example of accusations being made, but from a biblical perspective, we would always start with what every American is supposed to instinctively understand, and that is the assumption of innocence, right? This person is going to be seen as innocent until I have proof of guilt, so that means from a biblical perspective, accusations are made, people are throwing out accusations, and what all of us are supposed to do is stand right there as a neutral judge saying, let me have equalizing measures, let me show no partiality, let me make sure that I'm hearing the independent lines of evidence, let me assume that the person who's defending themselves is telling the truth and that they're innocent, let me assume, let me have the assumption right here that the victim is actually possibly innocent, and so I just gather at that point what is the actual independent lines of evidence say, let me do what God's law commands, and that's to do a cross-examination of witnesses, let me gather it all, stand in the middle, and I think what you pointed out, Davis, is that it appears that in this case, because we've gone so far from Lex Rex and biblical standards of justice, and receiving accusations, and all of that, in this case, it just is immediately, like you said, the cultural mindset of never blame a victim, let's assume that this just go right away with the assumption that this guy is wrong, and this guy is right, before we even had a chance to do the examination, like where's the cross-examination, where's the independent lines of witness and testimony, and again, I'm only bringing this up, Davis, because I said it's instinctive in the American, it's supposed to be, I think most of our, I don't think our teenagers and young adults even understand anything about law, or the Bill of Rights is, and the assumption of innocence, all of that, but it's supposed to be instinctive anyways, and all of us that we assume the innocence of the person being accused, and we wait patiently, carefully, with wisdom and prudence to gather the evidence before we close our mouths and bite down on a position, as we wait, we wait to receive, our mouths are open, and then we finally bite down after we've received both sides of the story, right, I mean the biblical example is, you know, what in Proverbs, one person's case sounds true until another one comes to examine them, and I think if any of us have lived in the world for more than 10 minutes, we understand that you find that a lot in the world, you hear one person that tells a story, and you're like, dang, I can't believe that guy did that to you, I can't believe that girl did that to you, like you hear the story, and you go, it sounds so convincing, and then you actually hear the accused, and you get the evidence, and you go, man, I was duped, it's completely the other way, there's a whole other side to this, and that's what biblical standards will do to the world, is they'll protect the innocence, and they'll actually make sure that we properly accuse people, and so Davis speak to that in terms of when you approach this, you said, you want to use equal rights and measures, you want to appeal to justice, when you're involved in this, what are you doing? Yeah, I think we have to start with the question of who is Captain Gary, and what has he done, and I just want to say this, from the beginning of his Navy career, you can look at his record, and I only met him recently, right, an absolutely impeccable record. He's always only ever done what the Navy's asked him to do with absolute integrity, putting his sailors and the mission force, that's who he's always been, and then you get into a situation where there is a tragedy, but the fact of the matter is there's evidence that even when this individual came in and went through MEPS, there was potential evidence, there was indicators of performance enhancing use before he was even cleared and sent to this training, right? So what I say is, there is a system and process in place, there's a lack of accountability in our military because we've been infiltrated with principles that are primarily based on secular humanism, not on biblical principles. It's an oppressor, oppressor, oppressee mindset. It's a mindset that makes political careers of leaders more important than the truth, and we see that at play here. So you have someone like Captain Gary who is known, who is known by the Navy to have absolute integrity, received the highest awards, done everything, put in this critical position after an outstanding career, and I think even going into this, there are people that knew he was not going to compromise, and Captain Gary hasn't talked about it, but Captain Gary is one of those leaders that stood up during COVID. When people came to him and they said, "I have a sincere, religious objection to this jab," Captain Gary would look at that, and he would recommend approval of those accommodations. One of the few that actually did that, in spite of the fact that his boss said, "I'm not going to prove any of these," right? So those are the things that are going on behind the scenes. So I believe, and this is my opinion, but I believe even going into the situation where he had this tragedy that exposes the fact that perhaps big Navy, perhaps there's problems with the process, perhaps big Navy is not screening people the way they should be, perhaps they're not willing to take this performance-enhancing drug issue that might be their head on, and they don't want to be blamed for the fact that Captain Gary was trying to stop it and wasn't allowed to do that. All of those things are on the background when this comes forward, but again, I think it comes down to the fact that based on his Christian faith, his character and integrity, his outspokenness on those issues, people knew he was not going to compromise on this, and he was going to seek the truth. And I think that's where a false narrative was created because somebody at the Pentagon believed it was easier to give a narrative that doesn't blame a victim, it doesn't blame the victim than it is to tell the truth. And if you're going to do that, you have to have a scapegoat. And so that's the thing. I say scapegoat. I mean, I'm talking biblically, Captain Gary has been made a scapegoat in this to blame other people for failings within the system. And again, that's why I think this is so important. I'd like to jump in and add some context here too. This isn't even about me per se. Someone else telling this story to you recently, a new friend of mine, I said it really well. I'd had a lot of success in my career up until this moment and God had blessed me abundantly. And he looked at the whole thing and he said, you know, what's revealing is that you were on a pedestal that you discovered was an altar at the last moment. And so that's really interesting. I like that. I said, you know, the follow on to that is if it had been an altar of truth, if the sacrifice of my career was the requirement, because I happened to be in command when we were unlucky and had a candidate come through and make some terrible decisions, then I would I would walk to that altar and I would give myself up willingly. My career is over one way or another here. This isn't about me at all. The problem is the truth was compromised. And so it was a false altar and not just me. My instructor, cadre were vilified. This is about them. They served honorably and professionally. And I could tell you example after example, you've read some of the stories I've posted on LinkedIn, these stories of warfighter production about what I saw on a day to day business in absolute professionalism and trustworthiness with these men and women that were instructing our next generation's warfighters. So to see them publicly vilified as this, you know, my words, not the article, but this Mongol horde and painted to be just an out of control group of instructors really bothered me. It really bothered me. I see I see trust is a very important part of leadership. There's a lot of leaders out there that love to talk about, you know, you need to earn my trust. Well, that's great. But trust is bilateral. And what many leaders forget is the need for as leaders us to earn the trust of those that are entrusted to our care. They have to trust us to lead. They have to trust us to stand up for integrity. They have to trust us to back them when it's appropriate. And it's really easy to do that when you're getting awards as a command. It's very easy to do that when everyone's talking about how great you are. But that's not what's happening right now. And so the way I see this is this is me fulfilling the trust they placed in me as their commanding officer to stand up in their defense in a season of hardship where they've been vilified. It's unjust. I can tell you they call me and write me and message me regularly how disenfranchised and frustrated and betrayed they feel because nobody stood up to defend them when they were painted to be such negative instructors. And I knew factually they were not. So this is me defending them. And I'm risking a lot to do it. I'm breaking our code of silence to do it. I'm doing my best to do that professionally and honorably. But this is this is me fulfilling that trust. This is part of my oath of office. This is me adhering to the values that I say are important to me. Come what may. And beyond all that, our values have to matter. Yeah. Honor, urgent commitment have to matter. The seal ethos has to matter. Truth matters. We have to be. We have to adhere to truth even in the small things. So they turn into very big things which can now compromise the entire spirit of the organization. If we subvert those values for any other reason, any reason at all, the ends don't justify the means that rots that rots the entire organization from the inside out. And if that happens, the seal tried and becomes a piece of stamped metal that you can buy at the commissary for 12 bucks. And that's it. And it becomes worthless. I refuse to let that happen. This isn't vindication. This isn't vindictiveness. This isn't anger speaking at all. Every step I'm taking is that of love for the Navy, love for naval special warfare, a desire for us to adhere to the truth to the things that we say we stand for and to protect my country from being further vilified. That's a touching carry right there. That's awesome. Thank you so much. Well, I want to leave it at that. And Davis, I'm going to have you finish up with letting people know specifically how they can help them where they can go. And if you guys, if your brothers would just stay on till the show finishes here, I want to run something by you as well in private. So Davis, let's finish up. Let everyone know. Yeah, we'd ask anyone to go to standwithwarriors.org. You can donate there to that organization. Again, you guys know how that started. That was started for the benefit of Navy seals. That's what we're going to do here. There's not there's no not a lot of overhead or anything else involved in stand with warriors. It is simply going to be dedicated until as long as we need to to fight this fight with Captain Geary and make sure he's defended well because it does matter. And we're hoping to get to Congress so that these issues can be addressed so we can see long-term changes. So standwithwarriors.org is the place to go to do that. And I would encourage anyone listening. It really does matter. This is a situation where it does matter. We are getting some traction now in Congress. We have individual congressmen that have broke this story that have gotten information from the Navy. They're willing to push. They just need to understand the issues. They need to understand it matters to the American people. So contact your centers and congressmen. Talk about Captain Geary. Talk about the need for this to be investigated. This is a weaponization issue. We'd love to see the weaponization committee take this up and move forward. So that's what we're asking for. Excellent. Thank you so much, Davis. Captain Geary, thank you for your faithfulness, brother. Thank you for your stand. Davis and Jason, thank you for joining us today on the show. Like I said, hang out just for a few minutes here as we wrap up. I want to run something by you. All right, everybody, share this. Please share it far and wide. I know, you know, kind of a unique show today, important one. It was an exclusive interview with us about this breaking the story here with visual media. 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