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[MUSIC PLAYING] Welcome to Five on the Four, a daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA featuring Ethan Skolnick, Greg Selvander, and Alex Toledo, plus others from the Five Reason Sports Network. All right, welcome back to Five on the floor. Here's today's floor plan on Ethan Skolnick. You can follow me, Ethan J. Skolnick, and at Five Reason Sports, I got Alex Toledo. You're going to follow him at Tropical Blanket, or if you're following Michael Beasley, you may find him. And we've got Greg Selvander. You can follow him at Greg Selvander. So here we are. We're in Donovan Mitchell season. We've already done one episode. I do not know if we will get to 38. I believe that was the Dame Lillard count last summer. I think it was-- well, there were other episodes that touched on it. I'm just talking about the ones where he was the-- All the playback. Topic. It don't even include those, or Twitter, or anything else, or then what we hadn't started to discord yet. Had we, or were we still on the window? But we did a lot of Dame stuff, OK? We did a lot of Dame stuff. We're just going to go where the reports take us. Like, we did not wake up this morning saying, we got to do Donovan Mitchell again. In fact, we actually have a healthy list of topics to get us through the next two or three weeks, OK? It's going to be about early June where we're like, all right, Greg, who's this guy who played at Creighton? You're going to get a lot of those kind of episodes. But for right now, we're trying to focus on anything we see that's still in the space, news reports, et cetera. So the latest comes from Sam Emiko. Now, this is not Sam Emiko. I always make this distinction. Sam Emiko is a national reporter based out in Sacramento. I know both of these gentlemen very well, OK? So I've worked around both of them over the years. Amick Covers is working at the Athletic now. Covers more of the league as a whole. Sam Emiko basically covers the caps. I met him when I was up in Cleveland during my horrible year of 1415. And I met Sam, a very nice guy. I know that he fans get a little concerned with some of his reports, because some of them related to the heat have not always been on target. So I'll just say that at the very beginning. We'd love to have Sam on the pod to talk about this particular one. There's other things he has gotten, right, though all of us miss at times. And his latest report, essentially, is that Dan Gilbert does not want to trade Donovan Mitchell. And of course, Dan Gilbert, the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers, does not want to trade Donovan Mitchell to the Lakers, which I guess everybody is saying to LeBron, even though LeBron may not even be there. We think he's going to be there. And LeBron helped Dan Gilbert win the only championship he's ever going to win back in 2016 after coming back there when he never should have come back there. So that was the report. And then he threw in there. And this is a-- oh, wow, OK, take a leg. We got a pod topic. He said he would prefer to get-- instead of what the Lakers have to offer, they-- and would prefer to get-- that's him and Kobe Altman, by the way, I've spoken about before, their general manager-- would prefer to get a couple of young stars in the making like Tyler Hero and newly minted first team all rookie selection, Jaime Hakka's Jr. and picks. Of course, this led some to say, wow, Tyler's being described as a future star again. Because last summer, he was being described as a throw-in to deal. So again, take that for what it's worth. But this is what we're going to be hearing. And I'd love to get Sam on the pod to discuss it, because without him giving away his sources, which we don't ask people to do-- and I don't like when people ask me to do, it sounds like it's coming from inside the house. Like, it sounds like he has knowledge of Cleveland's situation. And I don't-- I can't really figure out the leverage angle from the Cavalier's perspective frame. That's where I come down. Like, what would they have to gain by leaking that to him? Nothing, because I think it would take a lot more than just Hakka as in Hero. I think that that sounds like, hey, if that's the trade, sign me up. But I think it's going to cost a lot more than that. So when I saw that report to me, I'm expecting to pay a lot more. My good faith offer up front would be a lot more than Tyler Hero and Jaime Hakka. So from my perspective, if that's something that interests Cleveland, that's a good sign for Miami. But we've already had guys say Miami only. And it didn't work out so well. So I don't want to get too hyped up here. No, no doubt about that. And the other part of this that was part of the report was that Gilbert's going to be taking more of a role in basketball operations this summer. Poor Kobe. I'm going to say-- I feel like I have to say this on every episode. But again, I know that heat fans are going to say, well, the heat won't make a deal with Cleveland because of their bad blood. I have three examples of things that have happened between the organization. Well, well, three reasons I believe they would make a deal. First is I know Kobe a little bit. And Kobe has great respect for the heat organization. As I said, that year I spent in Cleveland, I spent a lot of time with Kobe because I was looking for a friend out there alone by myself. Well, my child, my newborn baby, was back in South Florida. And we happened to be at the same club a lot because it was the only club at Cleveland to go to. Inside the Ho Kondo/Hotel that the only good thing I got out of that year was I got bleacher reports as Turner Sports to pay for that thing for me every time. It was really nice, actually. It looked like a Vegas hotel in Cleveland except without the casino and the pretty people. But basically, I would be at the summit there with Kobe. And we would just chat each other up. And we got to know each other. And I talked to him a lot. I remember this season. Yeah, really. Yes, good. One of the Cavs games, when you happened to pass by him, he dapped you up like, if you guys have been best friends since you get were kids. I think I've seen him in eight. I don't think I've seen him in eight years. So again, I'm just saying, or at least not since he got the big job because at the time, he was number four. So I'm just going to say from some personal knowledge of this, he has a lot of respect for the heat. But what about Dan Gilbert? Well, that's another question. But there happened to trade. There happened two trades made since between the two teams. I'll say this at first, and I've told this story before. Norris has basically confirmed the story. There was such bad blood at the very beginning. And Griffin was the GM at that time. But this wasn't about David. It was about Gilbert. That Norris was supposed to be going to Cleveland to join LeBron, OK, during the next season. And I was told-- and this has been confirmed by others-- I was basically told by Cleveland officials, who I got to know-- that every time Pat found out that the third team involved in the trade that they had constructed was Cleveland, the trade was killed, until he basically gave Norris away. If you remember, that was the day at the whole day, the grades were there. He did not want to help LeBron, OK? LeBron's not there anymore. All right, so that's out. So I think some of that's gone. Second, the Cavs saved the Heat franchise because Kobe Altman decided an offhand conversation with Annalie Ellesburg. Hey, you want Dwayne back? And he ended up getting Dwayne for a second round pick that never conveyed. Which, again, saved the Heat franchise because without him, there's no Jimmy Butler, there's no last dance, there's no good feeling, and we're basically covering the Miami Marlins. OK, so we got a credit Kobe for that. And obviously, there's some kind of rapport between Kobe and Annalie Ellesburg that is better than the rapport between, say, Joe Cronin and Annalie Ellesburg. And that's important, OK? But the third part of this is they just collaborated on the stress deal. Correct. Right? So I mean, this was just happened last summer where there was facilitation to get that thing done. So-- Forgot about that. Right, so for Heat fans who are-- and Shrews that's still wearing Panther's jerseys, and following all of us on Instagram, but feels like he wants to come home. OK, well, if you were in Cleveland, why wouldn't you? But anyway, Alex, but I guess my overall thing is like, this is not-- we can set ourselves up for disappointment because there's been disappointment before. And we will. And we will. We absolutely will, OK? But I think that there's a little bit of hope here that at least the Heat are dealing with, under the ownership level at least, OK? A professional basketball association as opposed to what we saw with the Portland Trailblazers last summer. For sure. And I think it's a good point that you're making there. And like you, given the context, it definitely-- I think from a starting point makes you feel better about it. Just like what they had to go through last time where a lot of like pettiness was involved. And you know, it's hard to judge them for doing that now a year later when we're sitting here talking about examples of the Heat doing the same thing in Cleveland. So I still don't-- I don't have great feelings about the way that it ended. But now it just hit me. It's like, oh wait, no, but in all seriousness, when you're just comparing it to a damn situation, I think that is a positive for sure. But again, it comes back to like that report saying, dang, Gilbert's going to be more involved with basketball operations. That makes you feel a little bit nervous because, yeah, like they gave Dwayne back and that was great. That was awesome. You can't-- you know, all of us were surprised by that. I still remember that moment where I was the reaction, all that I remember I was in class. And it was just completely like just-- I was in a journalism class funny enough. And I just completely like stopped listening. And maybe that explains a lot. But no, honestly, like it's-- the Donovan Mitchell thing is just such a larger scale. Or it's like, yeah, they gave you Dwayne back when he was frankly older and just-- he wasn't the same player. It was just like, you know, it didn't work out in Cleveland famously. And, you know, it wasn't that big of a deal for them. But it was still good, still good, though. Like, I mean, whatever-- But he was better on the east than he was in Cleveland. Yes, he was. Even that last year, I mean. I mean, leading the second you were speaking with him there. But yeah. This Mitchell thing, like you got-- you know, dang, Gilbert, who's been so like prideful and filled with ego in the past, like this Mitchell thing, he was supposed to be this guy to like usher them into this new era of winning and being relevant without LeBron, which I'm sure meant a lot to him if I'm just, you know, trying to get into his head, because we don't know that for sure. But like, everybody thought they were going to be this, you know, I guess, semi-contender, I don't know. Because I don't think anybody expected them to be a powerhouse or anything. But it's like, OK, this new era of Cabs basketball, Donovan Mitchell is a great player. They've got all these other young guys. Like, this team is on the up and up. And so quickly, it's like, oh, have they hit their ceiling? And, you know, like, I mentioned on the last episode, maybe they convinced him to like, OK, we can reshape this team around you and do all that. But again, like, if you're going through the same line of thinking, he's not going to send them to LeBron and the Lakers, well, I don't know that he would also want to send Donovan to an Eastern Conference rival who he has disliked in the past. Now, maybe he doesn't really care anymore about that. And, you know, like, like you mentioned with Kobe Urban, like that helps, right? Maybe he can ease him up there. And if he really just like does like Tyler and Hawkez and, you know, some of these other pigs that the Heat inevitably would have to give up in that deal, I think he can be, you know, if it's the best offer, I think he can be convinced to. But if it's like very comparable to other offers, maybe it's like, OK, cross-off the Lakers, cross-off the Heat. What else do you have? Well, well, the other thing is there is a thing about trying to recoup your value, right? So they got two years, Greg, out of Mitchell. And they got what is second round appearance out of it. Our first round, second round appearance. And they did-- I got a second round appearance in a year where a lot of guys were hurt on the roster, too. So they did get some value out of it, but they also gave up Mott-Lord Markinan, who became an All-Star. And they gave up a ton of picks. And so they've got to recoup some of that, maybe not all of that. But here's kind of my thought process on. And then after the break, we'll get into sort of reality of this, is that you could convince your fan base in Cleveland about the timeline of this. Like, in other words, so let's-- you have Mobley, right? You want him to take a bigger role. Garland's role was diminished somewhat. Doesn't seem to be happy playing with Mitchell. It doesn't seem like they have personal issues. They seem close. But that, again, ball dominant, all the rest of this. Some talk about how Clutch doesn't really want Garland there anymore if Mitchell is there. But with Garland Mobley, hero, Hakez. And then even if you move Jared Allen for other pieces and some picks that you recoup, you actually still have kind of a nice young team. Like, it's not-- I mean, Tyler is on Mobley's-- Tyler and Hakez are about the same age as Mobley. Garland was in the hero's draft class. Now, we could talk about fit with Garland and Tyler. That's another question here. But I don't know. You could talk-- that's not going to be a bad team. It's not going to be an acuro, too. That's not a bad-- that's a pretty decent team, I think. That's why I think it's going to cost more. OK. That's like they could use the picks along with some of the contracts they'd be getting specifically Tyler to make another move that they wanted to. But it's a good point. It really lines up-- timeline-wise, pretty neatly. I mean, it lines up better than some of these other teams we're going to talk about. So let's get to that after the break, because I'll go to Greg on the first on some of that stuff. 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And I don't feel that it's the way this is trending based on the chatter, right? And it doesn't feel. He's never said, "Keep me, I want to stay here." Like he sort of dodges the question. Whereas when we reported, and we talked about this the other day, but we reported that he didn't really want to play with Jimmy or we heard that from other people, he jumped right all over me on that on a tweet. He was very definitive about that. He has not been definitive about staying in Cleveland. So it strikes me that when he wants to be definitive, he will be. And so I'll just ask this, like, if he's going to go somewhere, I was like, "Who scares you?" Like, "Who's the Milwaukee this time?" - It's a team we haven't heard of yet. That's where it has to be. Yeah, because that's inevitably where how this goes. And that's why the day and summer made me cynical. I'm going to have a hard time getting too excited about any of these rumors, even when I hear stuff from sources that I know are valid. I'm still going to be cynical about the whole process because we saw how that played out. But you do want to start hearing better and more direct signs to Miami, if you can. And the fact that Miami was linked in this, this is a couple times now. Zach Lowe said the heat were lurking for Donovan Mitchell. I think that's who said that. And now you get this. So you just start adding up these little breadcrumbs, right? And then we'll see how it goes. This is what you want to be. You want to be in the conversation for these superstars every single summer. You may not get them all, but at least you're in the conversation, trying to swing and make these deals and get them done. Alex, who would concern you? Give me one team, just out of the blue. Out of the blue, one team, shot in the dark. One of the New York teams. One of the New York teams. That's been the other situation rumored for him for years. Brooklyn has ways that they can make it happen. I don't know how exciting that would be for him as far as the team on the court, right? Like, I guess they could bring back Nick Clackston this summer. And, you know, Tim Bridges and Clackston shocked the world, I guess. No, but like that's been rumored. And then this next thing, right? And there was like talk that, you know, maybe they're not as inclined to trade for Mitchell as they were before, with Brunson being their new guy. Maybe that's a, for all we know, a byproduct of the way that the season ended for them. It's like, you know, maybe we could use another guy and just kind of work around the flaws. 'Cause yeah, I think that would be pretty tough if you had to deal with both of those guys. But he did just get out of a situation where, you know, he's playing alongside another guard who was expected to be, he was expected to be like this amazing back court pairing wasn't always the case. And Brunson is significantly better than Garland, not hating on him. So it's different, but, you know, I don't know what his thinking is there. But for sure, like those teams are, they have the ability to do that. I would be worried about them first and foremost because of maybe his inclination to wanna go back home. And I guess from there, like I think there's just gonna be a lot of other teams involved. So that makes me skeptical in the same way that I am. I mean, that life is where it's like, you know, the teams I haven't mentioned already, right? Like maybe a Houston or Memphis, somebody brought up New Orleans the other day, just like, contending teams. Maybe like, for all we know, like the clippers can get involved somehow, you know. - I was gonna say that, the other one that, I mean, Denver needs backwards scoring, I think. - I don't know how they're gonna happen though. - Well, yeah, right. So I mean, there are some teams that I think would be a challenge, but I think teams that are kind of on the cusp or around there, there are two kinds of teams that would value Mitchell, I think. But one is, again, he's on the timeline age-wise. He's still 27, gonna be 28 years old. So I mean, he's entering prime. He has had some injury issues. And we've talked about the defense a little bit. We did that on the podcast. So I think you're getting an average defender with maybe availability concerns going forward potentially. I feel like that's everybody in the NBA at this stage, but it is what it is. But I also think the thing is, if you're looking for a contender, honestly, he fits better in Miami than anywhere else. And that's why I don't wanna get ahead of myself because the same was true of Dane. And it didn't end up happening, but he is exactly what they need, which is they need a guy to carry the scoring during the regular season. He gets Jimmy to the finish line, and he still can be a closer in the playoffs. Like that's kind of what you're looking for. It is what they hope Tyler would grow into. At this stage, it doesn't look like that's the projection for Tyler. And so this is fast forwarding the whole process. If it's hockey and hero and some picks, yes. Okay, I'm not gonna make more arguments against that. You figure out the tax situation, the cap situation from there. We talked about how hard it is to have three guys like that. They have to be the right three guys. So if that's the case, makes sense. Trey Young to me, Brandon Ingram, no. Okay, that's kind of where I'm at with it, on that kind of stuff. And, but it's Mitchell, I can make the case for it. If you're keeping Yovitch out of the deal, then yes, I'm making the deal because your front court set them. Like I mean, literally you have Bam, Yovitch and Butler. Like your front court is set. Like as Yovitch improves, like that with what Mitchell's going to provide to take pressure off Jimmy. You made everything better. Now, question is, how does it work with Rosier? Also, I've mentioned Rosier has killed Cleveland traditionally over the years. He's from that area. Maybe he goes back. - Expand the deal. - Maybe you expand the deal. Maybe Max comes back. I mean, there are things to look at here. Okay, maybe Duncan goes somewhere else. There's optionality with this deal, whereas it felt like with the Dame deal, it was either you're going to throw everything out there at him, or you're not going to be able to make a trade. And also again, Dame had all those years left on his contract. Mitchell does not. We've talked about that on a previous pot. It does give Mitchell a little bit more leverage here if he's not planning on re-signing somewhere. So we're going to leave it there. We're going to leave it there because we got 37 more, 36 more of these podcasts do. 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