The Duran Podcast
Hot summer ahead; ICC, Assange, UKR, Putin-Xi, Slovakia, Iran & more w/ Robert Barnes (Live)
all right we are live with Alexander Mercuris and we have with us the great one Mr. Robert Barnes how are you doing Robert it's doing good as the Chinese proverb says we definitely do live in interesting times we are going to talk about all of the interesting stories that are happening around the world a quick hello to everyone that is watching us on rock fin on rumble and where else Odyssey YouTube and the Durant dot locals dot com and this that is that is the second best locals community right behind the number one locals community Roberts you want to give a plug to your locals as well as to your eShop as well which has great merch yeah the Viva Barnes Law dot locals dot com is a great community very active very involved very engaged much like the locals community at the Durant to the best communities on locals and have established or supporting a independent law center to deal with all these crazy cases concerning political freedom food freedom medical freedom financial freedom people who want to exit rant from the Bill Gates dystopian control grid and and that's at 1776 lawcenter.com that's also is going to be a one-stop shop for information concerning Amos Miller the Amish farmer case concerning all the other craziness that's coming out of Pennsylvania the Brooke Jackson case against Pfizer concerning the COVID vaccine fraud and other related cases concerning religious objections to vaccine mandates and recovery and remedy for the vaccine injured and other aspects of medical freedom issues of financial freedom in the crypto community including George Gammens suit that I represent them on against the Federal Reserve other suits involving crypto as there's a war on crypto by the Biden administration using every mechanism method and means available to it represent a range of people in that space who want to it will be talking about how crypto is even an increasing tool for would-be revolutionaries it'd be if you updated Che Gavara's guide you'd have to have a guide to how to use crypto to survive off the grid and the control grid but all that information cases court documents news links including some fun merch is up at 1776 lawcenter.com and will continue to sort of be an independent place where people can get information concerning those cases on core freedoms that are all at risk unfortunately right now in America and I will put that as a pin comment that link as a pin comment when the stream is over big hello to our moderators thank you to all our moderators today and Alexander Robert I think we're going to start off with what is going on with the the farmers right let's let's start let's start let's get started but before I do just to say 1776 a vintage year one which English aristocrats still weep over just saying have one which Americans should be incredibly proud of and which still in my opinion is the shining one of the shining moments in modern history for people around the world just just just to say anyway Robert last time we spoke together you told us about a case you were involved you were involved in Pennsylvania where you were representing a Pennsylvania farmer a member from the Amish community somebody who grows food crops rears animals the way it should be done the way it always has been done provides outstanding food to people you were telling us a lot about him about the problems that he's encountered from the Pennsylvania authorities the food agencies there this is a classic case of food freedom and I found it absent I found the facts astonishing but after we finished the program I was absolutely astonished to fight that it had actually created an absolute firestorm amongst people I know here in England and they were all calling me up afterwards I've been bombarded with messages statements about concern about this cause farmers in the UK who also want to return to the roots of farming want to conduct farming in the way that it should be done and I know one farmer who's you know it's a yogic farming for example there's another movement called pastia for life which is all about doing pastia in the proper kind of way it turns out they have all the same kind of problems with the British authorities that the Amish farmer had with the Pennsylvania authorities and it's the same type of people the terrifying I think terrifying connection union between corporate interests aggressive corporate interests and elements of the state and regional bureaucracies bureaucracies that they're up against so on behalf of those people and to a certain extent of myself also because I find this a concerning story I think we all should by the way tell me what's going on I take it the case is still continuing how is it going what what what's the state of play the Amish Miller case is very much sort of the standard bearer for what's happening to small independent farmers all around the world which is there appears to be a global assault on small independent farmers an effort to replace them with entirely corporatized mechanized industrialized monopolized food supply with people with the Bill Gates of the world who you know with their beyond meat Bill Gates the biggest purchaser of American farmland yet he doesn't believe in farming that should concern people everywhere given his global impact number two contributor to the World Health Organization so is Bill Gates as an individual and his Gates Foundation which has overlapping interest as you mentioned Alexander with the corporate interest because his foundation is very unique it has investments in a wide range of industries one of them is you know Monsanto and other may not only alternative food products you know Z will eat Z bugs kind of food products but also I guess the rumor is that Klaus resigned today from the world economic forum I'm saying that story being reported just now but I don't know if that could or not but maybe don't pick a German who sounds like a natty to run your organization if you want to pretend you're for the people just just word of the wise for the WEM which should be called WTF but if you look at the nature of what's happened to Amos Miller it's terrifying to farmers around the world and it's terrifying to people who want to control their own food supply who they want me us as individuals I should get to decide what goes into my body not the government and the government's trying to take that away from people in America we went from most of our food being direct farm to table to now 98 percent of food comes from four or five major corporations it's I mean the pigs are being bought up and and monopolized chickens poultry bought up and monopolized cattle they're trying to buy up and monopolize and when they're unsuccessful getting a hundred percent monopoly they go after the small farmers by some by hook or by crook you know the I mean in Italy for example they're small farmers being ordered to destroy some of their pigs because there was worry about an African virus I mean they're going to keep using virus scares to get away with all kinds of violations of rights and liberties here in the United States same thing they're doing it with the bird flu saying somehow magically raw milk is uniquely dangerous from from a bird flu that somehow is suddenly going to get into the cow and then get into us even though there's not a lot they're requiring in Michigan every farmers to disclose everybody who comes into contact and basically engage a master for surveillance state they're trying to pass laws on the Biden administration to require people to tag electronically tag all of their animals and so Amos Miller is kind of the standard bear for all of these these attacks on small independent farmers of trying to force everybody back on to the Bill Gates control grid and so they they've come after him multiple times the feds came after him for a while we got those settled and got them to back off then this Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture under a man I call the food pope secretary readying because unless he blesses your food you can't eat it um is basically been trying to use his political power to put Amos Miller out of business they initially went in seized a whole bunch of Amos Miller's food we're still trying to get that food released uh released just to feed his own family release just to feed his own farmers right now the state of Pennsylvania is refusing to allow him to release his own food that they seize to feed his own family or feed his own pigs in fact they're saying they get to decide what goes into the garbage and not that's their new argument they get to control what goes into your garbage that that's their complete misinterpretation of this federal rule the uh we got the judge to uh ultimately allow Amos Miller to sell his raw milk and other products outside of the state because the state law that's this is where you America's federalism uh is is somewhat unique and it allows the or limits of state governments from trying to restrict what happens outside of their borders and in the and there's commerce clause reasons for this under the Constitution uh there's reasons concerning to the right to travel clause the privileges and immunities clause the due process clause all of which are implicated and the judge ultimately agree and recognize that the constitutional issues with trying to prohibit Amos from distributing his products outside of the state so right now he's prohibited from distributing his raw milk products inside the state of Pennsylvania but he's not prohibited from distributing outside the state the state however has refused to accept that uh they tried to get the judge to reverse put massive pressure on him he chose not to and now they just filed this week another demand that he reverse and they're going to take it up with the appeals court for these kind of issues in Pennsylvania which is the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania this is the same Commonwealth court a judge on that court who recently illegally imprisoned two farm workers who work on an who work on Amish farms based on claiming they have to have a veterinary license in order to work on those farms even though the law specifically says you don't um and they were not even named parties to the case and a judge it was a subpoena on a business and the judge decided well if the business doesn't comply with the subpoena I'm just going to order imprisonment of the two individuals that I think are connected to the business without naming them as parties without giving them a hearing without giving them a trial without affording them any due process of law or any of the process required under the Pennsylvania rules constitution and the United States Constitution and you got people apologizing for it in the Pennsylvania political power structure uh saying that this is civil contempt and it's like we learned it first year in law school if you're not given the keys to your jail cell that's called criminal contempt because you're punishing me uh like what they're doing the trump of the New York cases so uh the and it's another attack on the Amish uh because these two farm workers work primarily for Amish farmers uh there's other cases where they're going after Amish farmers there's a complete political war on the Amish community for which again Amos Miller is also the standard bear the uh so the they're basically every other day they come up with a new excuse to try to take away Amos Miller's food to try to destroy his ability to sell his products outside the state of Pennsylvania to try to uh micromanage every aspect of his business to try to require that he have veterinary licensed vets on his farm before you can do anything with his own animals to threaten him with civil and criminal prosecutions on a routine and regular basis and the only reason that in my opinion they haven't prevailed is because the American people have responded very negatively to this and the uh I mean the uh at the evidentiary hearing we held for Amos Miller every government official had to admit that in 25 years of Amos Miller's operation in which he has distributed more than a million products to more than 10,000 Americans not one had ever filed any complaint with anybody anywhere about any aspect of his food no complaint about the price no complaint about the marketing no complaint about the labeling no complaint about the quality no complaint that ever caused illness anybody knows anything about food knows that that's almost an impossible safety record to achieve and even though the government had to admit that on the stand the one farmer they're trying to shut down is the guy with the best safety record in the state of Pennsylvania in fact hundreds of people filed sworn statements under penalty of perjury many of them flew in on their own dime to testify live in front of the judge about how Amos Miller's food is essential to their religious expression to their political beliefs but more importantly to their medical well-being for many of them it literally saved their children's lives because there's unique aspects of the way he makes his food that's utterly unavailable anywhere else in the marketplace the because he does it the same way his father did it grandfather did it great grandfather did it great great grandfather did it and and these are Amish that came here because they were explicitly promised by the founders of the state of Pennsylvania a state founded on religious freedom ironically in the modern era that said hey Amish we will respect your independence we will respect your rights come here your great workers your great farmers your great carpenters we won't harass you we won't coerce you and yet that's exactly what they're doing there's an all-out assault on uh Amos as an independent farmer because if they can take him out they can get rid of all small independent farms there's an effort to go after Amos as well because they the whole key to the Amish community is being able to farm that's their employment base that's their wealth base that's their cultural base and the real and people have been asking why the Amish I mean nice sweet folks uh you know they make snow everybody meets Amish person you love them uh there's nothing negative about them and even though Hollywood has been bashing them now for three or four years if you follow shows like Banshee and others there's there's a hint that a war was coming on the Amish but because the Amish don't watch TV they didn't know that war was coming um it's because if you wanted a control group outside of the control grid who said what would life be like if we live like our founding fathers did in America you know the what would life be like if uh we weren't on the big food big phone I'm a big tech uh a control grid the uh the world that Bill Gates magically sits at the center of like all of deep ties the big tech deep ties the big farmer deep ties the big food uh and this you know people focus a lot on George Soros understandably Bill Gates in my view is a greater threat to freedom around the world as he exposed during the politics of the pandemic but there's a control group that says what would like be like outside of that big Bill Gates control grid uh that WEF dream world which is really a dystopia to most people it's the Amish the Amish are outside a big food they the food that they farm they're outside a big farmer they don't go to big they don't rely on vaccines and drugs and and modern medicine at all and they're completely outside a big tech I mean they still carry the lanterns they don't got cell phones what I'm talking with them I realize every single cultural reference I have makes absolutely no sense to them because it's like a movie or a tv show they're like what are you talking about I got to go back to my bible learning to give some relevant allegories and metaphors and analogies um the I think they're their favorite game to play with the kids they all go to the same school they all go to the local Amish neighborhood schools they're taught by the Amish they're all in the same grade there's no separation but when I was up there last time they were playing underground railroad that was their favorite game was underground railroad or somebody's trying to capture the slave and you're supposed to help them escape because the Amish were part of the underground railroad going all the way back the uh and now they're back on the underground railroad because the state is out to make us all slaves again um and so so far we've won to keep him alive to keep him financially alive to keep his farm functioning their efforts to bankrupt him and failed their efforts to improve their there's high ranking people in the state of Pennsylvania that shared memes showing Amos Miller and handcuffs going to jail and his farm foreclosed those efforts so far have played we've been able to stop them but they keep coming they keep coming they keep coming so you know the luck that there's a lot of people that support Amos Miller you can get his food at Amos Miller Organic Farm.com at least for now until the next attack when we were currently facing the current attack where they're trying to shut them down next week but we're going to take this all the way up and and in the related case of the illegally imprisoned farmers we're going to file federal civil rights suits and i'm going to have to sue judges because they're judges that as people if we're watching the trump case i've got totally out of control in america they just think they're a little you know they run their little fiefdom they can do whatever they want no consequence they but they forget that there's if you don't have jurisdiction over the person if you don't have jurisdiction over the subject matter commonwealth court has no criminal jurisdiction you can't be just ordering people illegally imprisoned just randomly and say screw you i'm going to order an order of imprisonment they type this up like those on an 1840s typewriter i mean because they don't have orders of imprisonment because they're not supposed to be doing orders of imprisonment um that all of these cases are combined but there's no question uh that that food freedom is going to be a hot issue in the political arena it's an issue that's international in scope because the attack on small farmers the attack on our rights to our own food uh our rights to decide what goes into our bodies is a is a global attack being done at a global level and thanks to everybody helping amis miller raise funds for amis miller supporting amis miller at 1776 law center or amis miller organic farm dot com uh because that's the only way they haven't crushed it they thought hey he's amish he doesn't believe in publicity he doesn't believe in lawsuits that will will get to take him out and you know i'm not amish so i can say what i'm going to do what i'm going to do in the court of public opinion and thanks to robert kennedy thanks to thomas massy uh who publicly highlighted amis miller's case uh thanks to all the people around the world who are highlighting amis miller's case because that's the only thing that's going to stop them from crushing him and taking away all our rights indeed and can i just say our program and what you said over the course of our last program as i said it's got fine here and of course one of the things i've been hearing and i've been hearing this with people who grow mushrooms people who provide eggs people who are fishermen people who make blue cheese i mean you know all these people they tell me exactly the same thing that what they face every day is a regulatory maze which is so complicated and so whimsically and arbitrarily enforced that it's almost impossible to avoid not being in purported infringement of some part of it and the actual quality of your food the actual health of your food is really isn't the issue it's whether you're supposed to be in compliance with regulation 537 stroke B or something like that it's it's done like this almost continuously very much for the purpose that you said now a number of quick points just just you know comments of legal nature what he is facing sounds to me like an attempt to kill him legally through a policy of death by a thousand cuts now that is straightforwardly oppressive that is a colossal abuse of law law is not supposed to be used as an instrument of oppression when it is used in that way it ceases to be law it becomes something completely different now is also i would have thought completely inconsistent with the spirit of the constitution of the united states which i always ultimately return to which is the great advantage you still have in the united states i mean am i right about that and is that really why you're going to the federal courts because to me it looks completely unconstitutional to operate the court in the law in this fashion the the history in the united states historically the state and federal law recognize that all of the regulatory apparatus that they started to get imposed in the late 1800s only applied to big corporate farmers because that was the concern corporate organizations and operations was this new industrialized food supply mechanized food supply presented risks to the ordinary consumer who could no longer trust them because it wasn't their local farmer they were buying their food from and and the FDA was originally supposed to be a labeling agency the same with the state version of these they're just supposed to be make sure what's in the box is actually what's in the box they use that to usurp the power to dictate what could go in the box rather than just hey if it says it's beans it's beans it says it's going it's going it says mushrooms mushrooms instead they're going to tell you what size the mushrooms had to be i mean Huey long famously attacking the new deal said that uh said you know now they got agency to tell you how fat their chickens can be and how skinny your pigs got to be they got abc agency and xyz this is why the left populist approach has always been anti regulatory anti-bureaucratic it might favor wide range of redistributive politics but its redistributive politics don't take the form of redistributing power to bureaucrats on a professionalized level because it offended and went against the interest of small business small entrepreneur small farmers uh and farmers of course have been the basis of almost any popular or populist rebellion really in the history of the world you go back to the peasants rebellions of the 12th and 13th and 14th century you're going to find farmers at the at the front of it um and that's why Thomas Jefferson and the founders recognized that small independent farmers their sustainability was essential to constitutional democracy a constitutional republic you weren't going to have a constitutional government the moment you lost your your independent farming base and that's why i think in part they're wanting to take it out part of it's to have corporate control of the food supply part of it's to control what we can eat and ever have but part of it's to take apart constitutional government because here they're attacking the first amendment because this implicates religious rights both of Amos Miller and of the people who consume his food uh it implicates associational rights under the first amendment as well uh it implicates basic bodily autonomy rights rights to privacy rights to control our own bodies if we don't control our own bodies what do we control constitutionally i mean i mean isn't that the definition of channel slavery when somebody else controls your body someone else controls what food you take and can eat somebody else controls what medicine goes into your body uh so i mean this is where there's uh overlap between medical autonomy and food freedom and so and that goes to the fourth amendment fifth amendment issues of due process of law uh i mean here they stole his property without compensating him or even affording him a uh hearing i mean they assaulted him without even a reach around i mean that was the nature of what they did and doesn't that violent due process clause the u.s constitution supreme court said last week that uh in the case of civil forfeiture that's widely abused here in america has been for decades i was introduced to it by some students at powered uh university in washington d.c in 1998 when i was a young law student and they were telling me what crazy insanity was taking place with civil forfeiture law but both justices gorsets and thomas agreed that and arguably there's other votes including the dissenting votes to create a majority said this has got out of hand and with the right case they said let's look at whether or not due process of law requires that you get a trial before any of your property or liberty is taken from it isn't that what due process is historically meant in america and so the we were raising every single constitutional issue the first amendment fourth amendment fifth amendment issues all implicated here there's really eight amendment issues implicated here because it's kind of an excessive fine because what they're doing is they're punishing him for not having a permit by destroying all of his food and trying to destroy his farm i mean even though the only fine permitted under the statute is often as low as a hundred dollars they're taking away over a hundred thousand food this is classic what they're doing to farmers is outright horrendous it's constitutionally offensive it's a tie american uh and that's why there has to be an aggregate effort of people here and around the world to fight for and maybe we'll get an outcome kind of like they got in the Netherlands which uh i wonder if those people waging the war on those farmers would have waged that war on those farmers if they knew that the next leader of the Dutch government you know it was going to be uh wilders so uh hopefully we get the same political rebellion here in america because we need it in order to keep farmers like amis miller economically a lot you're absolutely right and by the way about what you said about farmers being absolutely caught through revolutions it's not widely known but of course in england in the middle ages we had the peasants revolt as it's so called which is if you study it carefully hardly anybody does by the way very few people really know about the stories the peasants revolt you will know what a shock it created to the english system and what a transformative effect it had on english governance and a democratizing effect on english governance and in fact they used to sing uh gentleman in those days was a word meant an aristocrat when adam wove and eve span who was then the gentleman that was their song that was the song that the peasants used to say anyway so it goes all the way back in about due process of course the american constitution has taken the whole concept of due process hugely further but about punishment without law it is there in magna kata as well the king is not supposed to punish anyone without due process of law and only through only after trial by his peers it's there it's still there in magna kata and it is still operative law in england not that we pay much attention we're doing anymore now that brings me to the next question which is of course about the the i mean you brought up the fact that the judiciary in the united states is out of control and i have to come to this because i have been trying to watch or follow the events in new york i i have to say there are times when i just don't have what to say am i watching a trial or am i watching a multi python sketch because there are times when it almost seems like that and this case is crazy it makes absolutely no sense at all i still haven't figured out what crime trump is supposed to have committed and to say you know that there's a conspiracy about something we're told that there's a conspiracy conspiracy about something but nobody can quite say what um if there is a crime it's a crime that's supposed to have happened after the election which it was supposed to influence which is already utterly bizarre and uh the only real prosecution witness appears to be someone who glories in the fact i mean actually glories in the fact that he is a serial perjurer and a criminal a convicted criminal i mean you know we have this concept in english i'm sure you do in the united states that you know there is no case to answer and it's brought before judges and judges dismiss cases on that basis quite often than the english criminal courts but this this takes that concept i'll further stage i mean it's it's just lunacy and i cannot understand now any judge at all can sit unemotionally presiding over this uh ludicrous fast and allow it to continue in the way that it does so explain this to me how does it happen it is i mean if people had watched the uh Duran show that we did a few months back uh then they would have got a sneak peek preview of the insanity for those that didn't it's a shock to watch what's going on because they were you know assumed that the american legal system is portrayed as the ideal legal system for the world that it's the place where in fact it's a critical predicate by which america would get investments from around the world uh the source of global capital infusion uh the united states also along with the city of london uh here in las vegas money laundering capitals of the world but part of that was hey we can trust the legal system we'll have impartial judges uh your constitutionally entitled to an impartial judge your constitutionally entitled to an impartial jury picked from a a venue that is representative of the community you're entitled to present evidence on your behalf you're entitled to cross-examine any of your accusers uh you're entitled to have all facts decided by the jury not by the court or the government you're entitled to counsel uh you're uh untitled all of these things but they're watching a criminal trial that follows a civil trial in new york where none of these things were being respected where you had partial partisan prejudicial judges presiding over the proceedings in such insane ways that if a witness simply looks at the judge sideways the judge as he did yesterday kicks everybody out of the courtroom un- illegally locks it up you can't close a trial for any purpose like this of criminal trial america has to be open to the public under the constitution he doesn't care because he's been issuing unconstitutional gag orders prohibiting trump from defending himself in the court of public opinion about a case that is entirely a soviet style show trial and to be frank the soviet style show trials were better than this this show i mean the i mean at least the show trial would have at least a little bit attempt at portraying something representing justice here this court is attacking witnesses who second guess what he does attacking lawyers who expose what he does uh trying to i mean he was issuing uh sustaining objections it was like that scene out of idiocracy that's what judge mershan looks like he looks like that judge from the film idiocracy where the the prosecutor wouldn't he i mean the defense lawyer asking a question of a witness what it wasn't even allowed to get into like word number three of his question before the government would object and the judge would quickly sustain and basically i think there's been about a 98 percent rate of the of the judge sustaining government objections and denying defense objections i mean it's it's so lopsided he's not even trying to look impartial least of all be impartial and as you note the case is a joke no nobody can still figure out what the crime is uh so knowing that the judge denying trump the ability to present his own expert witnesses denying trump the ability to cross examine on a wide range of subjects denying trump the ability to introduce evidence and admissions and exhibits a document i mean the today they went up and wanted to ask about the very emails the government had asked about and the judge said no you're not allowed to uh it's a i mean that's how nuts it is it it is absolutely bizarre i it's and trying to understand the nature of the crime it's like a it's like you know one of those old collider scopes he used to shake the pattern changes whenever whenever you shake it because that's that's how it is for this crime i mean it always seems to sort of shift around you never quite precisely told what it is but sometimes it sort of sneakily suggests is this and then sometimes it's suggested it's that it even admitted this they admitted it's a moving target they said they didn't define which crime trump committed to elevate this from misdemeanor to a felony because they want to be able to change their mind during trial i mean it's it's and not uh i mean it's kafka ask uh kafka's the trial looks more normal insane than this new york criminal case and then as you point out out that their entire evidence their whole evidence for any kind of criminal intent they have no documentary evidence even james carbell was going off saying please god tell me there's some documents we're we're not really relying on michael colin are we yes jim bow you are that their entire testimony is the the whole case hinges on believing a guy who admitted he will lie for money he will lie for protect himself he admitted this on the stand in this case admitted that pretty much every single time he's taken the oath over 20 times in the last five years before congress records he's lied every single time he also he volunteered more crimes he actually committed embezzlement he actually completed was complicit in extortion he was actually committed theft from the trump organization he committed business fraud on the trump organization sending in false invoices to get inflated payments so that he could pocket the extra cash and then he figured hey i might as well volunteer my own money laundering while i'm on the stand you know the i gotta get it all out it's like the end of the that show the shield where they give immunity to the lead detective and then they're shocked he says let me tell you about the 500 crimes i committed in the last year but the uh basically the way because what he does is he says well i wanted to get cash out they're like why do you want to get cash out who you trying to hide it from and he's like well i wanted to get about 20 grand out they're like why didn't you get 20 grand out oh i wanted to get it out broken up so that there was no issues what he means is anti-money laundering laws require the bank to report and he transaction over ten thousand dollars in cash so he just volunteered he engaged in current in structuring which is a federal crime of its own kind so in order to cover up his other crimes so it's and this is a guy as you note Alex who also you dream as a defense lawyer uh to have a witness you could impeach like Michael Cohen i said i would have volunteered to do it for free just because it's been so much fun the because you can start off with how many times have you lied under oath how many crimes have you committed just the last five years how much money are you making telling people you're going to send trump to prison and he admitted he's made over four million dollars promising to send trump to prison through book deals and podcast deals and video deals all of it predicated on sending trump to prison so you have every form of bias of a witness you could possibly imagine no self-respecting individual can credit anything he has Michael Cohen has said against president trump and that's the government's entire factual case for cases you know isn't even there legally uh the question is how badly will our legal system be embarrassed if a partisan prejudice jury returns a guilty verdict uh that will make it they'll make our system just they'll put it into it put the cherry on top of the sunday of what a complete joke in mockery the american legal system in new york has become i'm sorry to say that i think that's a real possibility because the case of this lunacy could not have been brought um unless they really believed in some form that they would get a guilty verdict because otherwise uh they wouldn't surely wouldn't have done this they wouldn't have taken these incredible risks of conducting a case like this to have it fall apart with a uh a not guilty verdict i will say it has been so zany it has been so much like a cross between the moscow trials and something out of alice in bomb the land that actually i i wonder whether even the most biased and prejudiced jury um is incapable of seeing through this but you know i've come to be rather more skeptical of places like new york and uh wherever you know jury pulls there so i i have to say i'm i'm i'm i'm concerned about this what happens if he's convicted i mean it's it's surely going to fall apart on appeal i mean even in you even the new york appeal court presumably throw this out yeah there's two ways you could get thrown out if the supreme court is to issue a decision on the scope of presidential immunity uh in the next month i believe they're going to determine i don't think they'll go as far as i would recommend to me the impeachment clause is the exclusive constitutional mechanism of prosecuting a president or former president and i think it has to be that way because otherwise a president is subject to the extortionate whim of any prosecutor in the world not just prosecutors in america like right now what prohibits the u.s government from granting an extradition request of a foreign nation let's say somebody wanted to prosecute barack obama for various drone bombings he did in various countries around the world and so let's say those countries uh indict him and assume for the moment those countries are a part of an extradition treaty with the u.s how does the u.s government not extradite obama for that it's only basis to do so for the most part is uh would be presidential immunity that we cannot because it has to be a crime in both countries just under most extradition treaties the requirement of that sort of duality that that the only way to prevent somebody from being subject to future extortionate risk in other words while you're president you're like i better not offend this person because they could send me to prison when i'm done being president then is to say that only the impeachment clause is the mechanism by which you can indict a president that has to be such a horrendous crime that you can get two-thirds of the senate to remove your immunity through impeachment and conviction that's what a new supreme court should do that's what trump's people are advocating them to do but you've got such weak need people on the supreme court that don't want to be perceived as covering up for trump that they may issue sort of a mealy mouth middle of the road decision but they're going to say there's at least some immunity uh for the president they may limit it to official acts while he's president and and they may say there has to be an evidentiary or what's official versus what's personal but either way all every fact they've indicted him for that they've said is criminal in the new york criminal case happened while trump is president they're saying that the plan began while he was running for president but the actual crime the illegal bookkeeping entries was while he was president and so that would impact imp immunity issues that could throw out the whole case the other aspect is there's usually delays pending sentencing uh the that's a separate entire hearing usually you all right they hear it's a fundamentally a misdemeanor they're trying to stick up into a felony even if they get away with that the typical sentence in new york is probation uh so the judge would have to completely deviate there to try to imprison trump he would i my guess is the judge doesn't even go that far because i think the the guy the democrats goal has been just get a conviction and if we get a conviction that will beat trump in the election and then we're done with trump and we can you know biden can be gracious and pardon him while he pardons the clinton's and pardons his son and pardons his brother and pardons his sister think that um it's still what i think the long-term plan is of biden the uh is just to give himself cover for when he pardons himself later on but the but the whole goal for that is that trump lose the election and they think their main way to defeat trump and the election is to get him convicted uh and i think they're wrong the poll i've said that for a year with richard bares people pundit daily um and we're now seeing that in the polls people say if trump is convicted in new york will it change your vote no what if trump is convicted in florida will it change your vote no what if trump is convicted in dc will it change your vote no what if he's convicted in georgia where we have more prosecutorial crazy corruption going on and with that doesn't even deal with the prosecutorial corruption in dc in florida because it turns out the classified documents case those photos that had old look top secret was labeled on these documents just left in a disheveled state with trump then it was entirely manufactured they made up some of the documents they they staged the entire photo in a turn of the prosecuting trump for mislocating classified documents well guess what jack smith's prosecutorial team did mislocate classified documents including those documents mishandled it so and then that's it that's just the beginning of it they breached attorney client privilege they illegally and illicitly and tried to intimidate and coerce witness testimony they illicitly use the dc grand jury for a case that's pending in florida and that is even deal with the constitutional issues there how how can the president united states be subject to the administrative deep states determination about what's classified or not only the president the only elected official in the executive branch gets to decide what's classified not the deep state and yet that's what they're trying to provide here so it violates article two this indictment in the first place um and along with all the other constitutional issues the misapplication of the sedition laws the uh the vagueness of those laws those being applied to political dissidents and outsiders the selective prosecution and violation of the first amendment all of which are pending in that case as well so i think these cases are ultimately going nowhere against trump i don't think they're going to get anywhere i don't think they're ever going to be able to lock trump up i don't think uh they're going to ever impact the election uh i think it ultimately there was a sort of last gasp attempt to derail trump and they'll convince themselves that it will work until it doesn't throw election day i agree completely by the way on the question of immunity uh a presidential immunity i i did a little reading up about this about the english president's again and for what it is worth and i don't want to push this too hard i i get the sense that um you know once the way it once was in england was very much like the way that um you say it should be with the president in the united states which is to say that the english tradition the the until the very modern era was the ministers of the crown and the obviously the crown itself was immune to prosecution pretty much for the kind of grounds that you say the initiative get impeached and to take action always lay with a house of colman's never with the courts the courts were not involved precisely for the reason that you say and of course that would it be in the tradition that the founders of the american constitution would have been familiar with now i mean all right we have a crazy case going on in in new york but i i i'd like to turn to you and to pivot to all of these other cases it's the torture case it's horrible it's i mean it's it's it's collapsing in the most grotesque fashion i mean the connections the the fibs frankly that have been told about the connections between the various prosecutors the astonishing way that they all interconnect with each other the conflicts of interest i think this is another horrifying case and you're absolutely you're anticipating all the things i was going to say about the jacksmith special counsel cases i mean the one case that people said well there might be something in i never could see it myself but anyway that's what they were saying was that was the documents case and that's creaking towards collapse oh so it seems to me i mean you know we're not even quite sure what documents he's supposed to have eloined anymore because all the documents seem to be mixed up in all kinds of ways um every one of these cases looks so obviously confected so completely unprepared so completely uninvestigated it's absolutely obvious that people somebody has put them all together said to themselves well we've got to stop trump from either standing at all or getting elected how are we going to do it we're going to drown him in litigation and they cobbled together all of these cases in all of these different courts federal and state courts in all kinds of places and the moment these cases get challenged and challenged properly they all fall apart at the seams now the georgia case i always thought was sinister because basically what it said was that you know it's an criminal offense to challenge an election outcome at all i mean that's what it amounted to as far as i could see but i mean now that we know how the prosecution has conducted itself again why isn't this case been thrown out surely it ought to be thrown out now surely all of these cases ought to be thrown out i appreciate that the one judge who seems to have acted with some degree of sanity is the judge in the documents case but even that judge has just responded indefinitely it the judge didn't have the courage to say look how you know i can't proceed with this case this is your case mr special gowns and if you can't prove it to me then i'll go strike it out because that's what has a judge i'm obliged to do i can't have a defendant hanging around until you get your problem sorted out that's not the way prosecution is supposed to work anyway what what's do you make of this uh i mean what it reveals is how corrupt our legal system has been in politically motivated cases for some time the difference is they've never tried it at this scale and what they're shocked by is that they're the lies they get away with in other dissident cases other whistleblower cases other political cases where usually they're going after someone that's part of a smaller group politically that the whole world isn't paying attention to that the net effect of it is that now they're discovering the american people when they see this up close they don't like it and they're rebelling against it and they're reacting against it uh as you know one of the chatters noted trump keeps going up after each indictment uh after each trial and so the civil case was supposed to damage trump it didn't win up this case was supposed to damage trump it didn't he went up when you're losing Anderson Cooper when you're losing those kind of people who are like this is a weak case this looks bad Cohen is incredulous or in the Georgia case we have a corrupt prosecutor stealing money so that she can go on vacations with her a secret lover who's married at the time who she's hired as special counsel has no qualifications to do the case and that's how the case gets processed and prosecuted now the Georgia Court of Appeals gets to decide whether she should have been removed from the case and whether she had proper authority to bring it in the first place because of these abuses of power then the old Georgia case could get thrown out that way and you'll get thrown out based on a broad immunity ruling by the supreme court of the united states in the next month or two because once again they've indicted trump almost solely for things he did while president in Georgia uh it could the uh and then it could get thrown out on a bunch of other grounds in terms of how constitutionally infirm and factually deficient the criminal case is uh so much so that Michigan and Arizona when they decided to go after the trump electors in those cases and lawyers they decided to leave trump out because they realized how weak that argument was even for cases that are bogus to begin with and what i hope it all means for trump is you know last year when Candace Owens interviewed him asked him why didn't he pardon Julian Assange and his excuse was and Edward Snowden and his excuse was i'm going to let the courts work it out there's some stuff for the courts to work out i wonder if trump has shares the same confidence in the courts today uh that he had then he's now they've tried to bankrupt them by the courts they've interrupted and interfered with the election by the gag orders issued by the trump by the by the these trials by the timing of these trials forcing him to be president court he wasn't even allowed to waive his appearance in the civil or criminal case uh they're trying to lock him up and strip him of all his freedom and liberty as well as his money and property tried to keep him Colorado Supreme Court tried to keep him off the ballot as we predicted that would fail with the Supreme Court but does he have the same confidence in the courts that he did then and shouldn't that be education i think a smart move for trump particularly given the news on monday would be for him to embrace the Julian Assange pardon uh and at Edward Snowden to the equation and tie in his of the abuse he has suffered in the american legal system to people other than himself because the accusation is always Trump only cares about trump tie it into someone like Julian Assange whose cases of global consequence for whom millions of people in america are deeply concerned and i'm concerned that the only reason they granted his right to appeal is it the very robust constitutional reasons or in this case legal reasons under britain uh which is that in fact this government has said forever here in the united states that they don't recognize the first amendment rights of non-citizens um unless it's a case that where they like it you know and then all of a sudden shifts but historically that they have taken that position consistently not only that they have never allowed anyone to raise the constitution as a substantive defense to to a jury in a criminal case that i'm aware of in the united states comes up repeatedly i've often argued in these other extradition cases i've had clients subject to it overseas to always i keep telling i mean right now they should do it with roger ver who's uh now indicted on completely bogus charges on an unconstitutional attempt to extend our tax powers to people who aren't even citizens who gave up their citizenship and we're still saying we can tax them into oblivion to impose an unconstitutional property tax using roger ver and imprisoning him for doing so and it's probably not a coincidence he's known as bitcoin jesus it's another attack on the crypto community at the same time i think he has robust reasons to object to extradition in spain just like john mackephie did before mackephie got Epstein um and so i think that hopefully because my concern is that the reason the high court did this i was curious what your your thoughts were that one argument is that given there's you know intelligence connections on some at on some of the people that are involved with the high court on this case um uh oh xmi six is that they just did this to help by that they still want asanja's head but they don't want to extradite him during the election so they're going to push in an ultimate decision until after election day and then they're still going to torture him by dragging him to the united states to be effectively executed even if he's not physically executed to be effectively executed given his continuing decline in health and the conditions that he's in and despite their lies they would put him in supermax or a similar facility there's a deep state hates julien asan sees him as one of their greatest adversaries of all time and they want to use him as an example to terrify anybody else from ever thinking that they're going to expose deep state secrets ever in the future it's not just about pay back to asan for the deep state it's about deterrence to anybody else exposing the deep state uh and so i think it's crit it's perfect timing for trump to come out and say biden should pardon asanja and for trump to join it credit to robert kennedy who has said said said day one he will pardon julien asanja and edwards note correct and then i get my blowback from trump fans about saying anything nice about kennedy it's up to trump to take on these issues as long as trump is being absolutely and not doing anything about it he deserves criticism for it that's on trump not on the people calling it out absolutely completely correct i hope by the way that whoever it does with the elections be it trump or kennedy does do act does do that because this case is a horror and i'm going to say straight away the english judicial judiciary has disgraced themselves over the conduct of it now it is possible it is possible that they are spinning this out to help biden i mean you know i i can't definitely say that that is not the case but for the record i don't personally think so i think the english judiciary wants to get julien asanja to the united states as soon as they can in order to get him off their hands i think that has been their agenda ever since the um decision of the west mr magistrates called came through which basically granted every single point that the united states government made but then said that he shouldn't be extradited on health grants and they went behind that judgment they did in a bizarre way which will come to in a moment and anyway what has happened and i think this is what explains the decision that was made yesterday and why it's been focused on the first amendment and on the human rights issues and that is that asanja's lawyers have been saying for some time that if this appeal goes against asanja they will take the case to the european court of human rights now the european court of human rights is a complex very strange institution it's basically also does what the authorities tell it to do but it is not part of the english system and it is not controlled by the authorities in london in the to the same degree and to the same extent and for the british judges the english judges the english court system and the english officials the absolute catastrophe and i'm not talking about you know political catastrophe but the embarrassment they would feel in the face of other lawyers the biggest catastrophe for them would be is if they throughout the appeal extradited asanja to the united states he was put on a plane to the united states and the european court of human rights then did what it has done on other occasions and said look by doing that you violated his article 10 freedom of speech rights because he doesn't have the proper protections under the first amendment in the united states this he is not a national and you have to bring him back which is orders that the european court of human rights has made in the past that you extradited him wrongly so you have to bring him back so what they tried to do is when they realized that this was a possibility not perhaps a huge possibility but nonetheless a real possibility is they try to get around this problem by the in the same way that they got around the problem of the the the magistrates court's decision to refuse the extradition on health grounds on on that occasion they accepted assurances from the united states about his treatment in the united states now just to say and i want to read just go over that all over again because the judge the judge and the lower court that the original trial judge said that he was at risk of his life if he was sent to the united states the court of the the high court then granted the us leave to appeal that judgment on all sorts of grounds that made absolutely no sense to me when we eventually got to the hearing of the appeal the high court said those grounds upon which we have granted the united states leave to appeal don't hold water they don't stand but of course instead of dismissing the appeal which remember was they're now admitting brought on the long on the wrong basis they said it's not a problem we're going to accept the assurances instead and send him back to the united states anyway and they do that without a proper hearing about the assurances despite the fact that they're not the suitable court to have the assurances addressed too that shouldn't be the judge in the lower court um they don't give as sanders lawyers a proper opportunity to respond to the assurances they don't hear expert evidence of the assurances it's all quickly rushed through in about an hour of about an hour's hearing at the back end of an appeal which the americans have brought and which are the substantive issues they then go on to lose so this time as sanders lawyers have brought this appeal there is this issue of the first amendment so what do the english judges do they're afraid of the european court of human rights they're afraid that things might turn out in the way that i said you know that the european court of human rights might make an order which is profoundly embarrassing and which might require them to do things which they really do not want to do so they try to do the same thing that they did with the americans appeal this time they solicit assurances from the united states now that in itself is bizarre why should the court prompt the united states to give assurances we're talking about the united states if the united states wants to give assurances they give assurances it can do so without any prompting if they think that this grants for appeal they should grant leave to appeal they shouldn't say to the united states over and we're not going to grant leave to appeal if you can reassure us come give us assurances if we grant leave to appeal and there's an appeal of the united states wants to give assurances then the united states could give those assurances of that hearing because they don't do that so they ask the united states to give them assurances on this first amendment line because they're hoping that they the american authorities will find some form of words that they can work with which will enable them to refuse leave to appeal so that they can put assange on the plane to the united states and then if the case goes to the european court of human rights they can tell the human rights court of human rights look we did all we could we accepted the americans assurances the americans promises it's our fault it's their fault because they didn't do what they said they would do well it hasn't it didn't work out because and this is it really very interesting in the end the assurances the us provided on this first amendment issue were simply inadequate i mean they they said you know this is the law we can't go behind what the court is going to decide um and you know we can't ultimately give you the cast iron assurance that you are seeking so very reluctantly very grudgingly i think entirely against their wishes they've been forced to grant assange leave to appeal and it looks like we're going to have a proper appeal after all and i think that's really the our story of this the the key to this is to ask yourself the question why did the court the high court seek assurances from the united states at the previous hearing instead of simply grant leave why prompt the united states to provide assurances only for one reason because they knew that there was a case and that they had they should grant leave but they didn't want to do so and the us in the end failed so Robert why weren't they able to provide those assurances did they realize that if they simply said in those assurances look it there's absolutely no problem at all that mr assange goes to the united states he can completely rely on all the protections of the first amendment the the the court in some tonight absolutely sure would have accepted that you get him over to the united states do whatever you like did the american sort understand that i think it's because they want to use the case as a precedent and as part of that precedent one is the deep state deterring anybody or national security establishment pick whatever language you want deterring anybody from exposing their crimes in the future but they also wanted to establish the legal predicate that they can grab them from any place anywhere and that they're not protected ever under the first amendment because even the obama administration was conflicted on this and members of the obama administration said there's robust first amendment defenses for assange the deep state's answer is not a piece of foreigner and they want to establish that precedent that if you want to be julian assange try being an american and maybe you'll have a little bit of luck but don't try to be anon american exposing these frauds exposing our criminality because you don't have first amendment protection see united states versus julian assange and that's why they didn't want because they want that legal precedent they didn't want to be able to be in a situation where they could be prohibited by having prior conceded that anybody anywhere in the world has first amendment protection from us government action in a case in which they were engaged in first amendment activities regardless of their citizenship regardless of the location of their activity and this goes all the way back to post 9/11 really goes back even further than that but you know foreign intelligence surveillance act was passed because the c_i_a_ was abusing that to spy on people it was supposed to be a restraint on the c_i_a_ spying on people instead it became a green light for them to spy on people but they've often liked pretending the borders don't apply as an excuse for them circumventing constitutional constraint and thus guantanamo thus the detention centers thus the the the you know the extradition without extradition uh... all of those dynamics you know the lights you know subcontracting out torture to black sites around the world the goal was to say you're not a u_s_ citizen so we can or you're not on u_s territory so we can do what you want they even went so far during the busch administration with that lunatic judge ludie signed off on it to say they could arrest an american on american soil for american activities uh... without a trial or an indictment and lock them up for as long as they wanted as long as the president united states called them in combat they partially did this during the obama administration and why did they publicize credit for the drone bombing of an american citizen overseas they wanted to say hey once you're outside our borders uh... we can skip the constitution part we can skip the trial part we can just go to the direct assassination part so part of it is there like the trump case they want to establish a legal precedent that even the elected executive head of the executive branch doesn't get to decide what secret or not they knew uh... which which really all of these reaffirm assanjas original point of the dangers of secrecy but speaking of assassination n_b_s_ attempted assassination the last few weeks the president of slavakia which i'm always confusing with slavina somehow i guess melania trump confused it i should remember jack slavakia slavania you slavia i still think by the way it was a conspiracy to break up you to slavia it wasn't because of geopolitics it was so the eugeslawians could never feature a national team that would dominate euro euro european football like as it's coming up this summer because imagine if you have the salvenians and the uh... in the serbians and the croats and the obanians i think all four teams are in the the european finals imagine if you had all those players playing together uh... that they would they would be winning world cups but nope nope got rid of use like it but you know about basketball oh yeah and basketball i mean just you know that they would be dominant uh... that they don't want them getting all those gold medals the uh they don't want them dominating the world stage so uh you know i helped the brits help the french of course what also helped the french is all their colonialism that you you look at their team and it's like franca freak uh you know that that that's the team it comes from people who are came you know zadan came from northern africa uh it it's interesting which teams have gone up and which teams haven't based on their colonial ties to be blown about it but putting all that aside but then you have the attempted assassination of the president of slocke now the the the death of the president of iran and all that happening like back to back to back you got upcoming european elections you've got the w h o treaty that they're trying to force through uh you have the ukraine war uh you have and all of this happens around the same time that russia in china i thought you broke it down well it's almost not been discussed here in the states that was an extraordinary agreement that was like the true shifting foundations of power to a Eurasian fulcrum of power uh but in what russia did with china i mean it wasn't i mean that there's the symbolism uh don't hug anybody g hug and put and put and even seem surprised by the hug but the by this reaction in live time but as you know that he brings his entire administration down there i mean this is to solidify a new anchor of power against the west uh and maybe the most dramatic uh in a century or so uh depending on how you interpret some past historical events but uh but for all for that to be happening at the same time there's these back to back to back assassinations and our assassination attempts or people deciding to take the i mean i still don't get the iran i think you guys highlighted well the real story of the iran president is who decided to take the old helicopter into a storm in the mountains i mean this was like the ron brown special for those people that don't remember ron brown secretary of commerce bagman for the democratic national committee the democratic party got caught up with his mistress in a bunch of criminal cases a while he was commerce secretary went and had a big argument with clinton uh in the uh kitchen the next uh the concern was ron brown thought his son would be dragged into the equation and he wanted clinton to keep his son out son out by helping stop the case clinton didn't make such promises so apparently threats were exchanged whatever it was he got put on a special commerce trip to develop commerce and the war torn bulkets uh and never came back uh plain crash i don't think they ever found the black box some say he was found in perfect place with two shots in the back of the head sort of the gary web special um you know the guy who shot himself twice that's always hard to do but he managed to accordingly but yet you see the salocian president who's a populist outsider you see the iranian president who's having all this success with china with russia with india with even even getting something taut with saudi arabia which people thought have been impossible over the last quarter's engine all of a sudden he takes this unfortunate helicopter ride any thoughts on if there was an all who who benefits from this even putting aside whether the assassinations are where people say they are their deaths are what people say they are who politically profits is there any coordination or commonality between who might profit from the deaths or attempted deaths of all these three people you see the might be of course we don't we don't know because of course whoever it is who is doing this and it will probably be more than one group of people i mean this let's say simply there are agencies and uh and organizations in many countries involved in many things and they undoubtedly work together and coordinate with each other um anyway whoever they are they're very careful or at least they're trying to keep that to keep their traces hidden now the slow back authorities are now coming up forward and saying that they're starting to think that the person who tried to assassinate feeds or didn't act alone i mean they're they're starting to make those observations uh they're not saying who was behind the assassination attempt but it is a fact that he's exactly he fits exactly that the the individual they called uh the attempted assassin it fits exactly the typical type of person that you can manipulate you can fill him up with all kinds of things you can then arrange to have him in the right place at the right right time with a gun and it might be difficult to prove connections he might not understand himself the extent to which he has been positioned in a certain way um but it it fits all that exactly and well feeds are to put it mildly was an unpopular man with a european and what you might call in europe what we call in europe the Atlanticist establishment i mean they've been going out against him um absolutely you know or guns blazing if i can put out everything they've been saying the most terrible things about him and they're continuing to do so even as he is lying wounded in hospital i read in one british newspaper one article after another after the assassination in which he talked about the atmosphere of violence or you know or terror that was about to sweep slavakia and you'd think from reading these articles that feet so was the perpetrator of the violence in slavakia rather than the victim so you know you it's not difficult to say generally who might have been behind it but of course it's more difficult to speak to talk about any specific person mbs it's actually easier because of course mbs is the pivotal figure in engineering a political uh a diplomatic revolution in terms of Saudi Arabia's political directions i mean the the reality is i mean the um Biden administration is is trying to negotiate a mutual recognition treaty between Saudi Arabia and Israel the reality is that until mbs came along as everybody in the region new Israel and Saudi Arabia were actually defacto allies they were working together all the time they were meeting in all sorts of places they were coordinating in all kinds of ways and of course this was part of Saudi Arabia's overall connection to the United States and to the particular faction in the United States the near-confaction there whose interests Saudi Arabia has repeatedly promoted it promoted them in Syria where they supported the war against the Assad government it uh supported the millennia Hillary Clinton's war where Saudi Arabia was central in undermining Gaddafi's government and supporting the uprising that was taking place there and of course they've been involved in many many things for a very very long time going all the way back to the 1960s in all sorts of places in Egypt in Yemen if you follow the wars in Yemen in the 1960s in all sorts of places like that so mbs comes along he's a young man he's not connected with the first generation of Saudi rulers the ones who were the sons of the founding monarch king Ibn Saud he's got all kinds of ideas of his own he gets on with the Russians he gets on with the Chinese he's prepared eventually to come to some kind of terms with the Iranians he is not by the way anti-American I think I would make that point about him he's shown no sign of big specifically hostile to the US and he doesn't seem to me to be someone who is actually particularly against establishing some kind of diplomatic relations with Israel but he doesn't want to burn his bridges with other Arab leaders and besides he's there to bargain and to get what he can out of any deal that's going to be done so he's a difficult person to win around so I can very easily see why some people on the neocon American Israel side or within Saudi Arabia itself people who are unhappy about this swerve of policy and whom mbs might have gone on the wrong side of and he's jailed many princes and done all kinds of things against people in Saudi Arabia that they might want him out of the way and coming to Raizi in Iran well he is again a different sort of person entirely he's very different from mbs but he's proved to be to many people's surprise certainly mine a rather successful diplomat he's also proved a rather successful economic manager the is Iran at the present time is very drawn into the Middle East conflict so again you can imagine all kinds of people who would want to see him out of the way and who want to destabilize the situation in Iran and who are worried about the trend of events in the Middle East and in particular about the rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia and the fact that Saudi Arabia and Iran are now joining the Briggs so you could you could easily see how there might be an interest in getting rid of all of these people and the sort of people who would want to get rid of them overlap with each other they are basically the same people I mean there may be different expressions of it but it is the same people so I can't say it's not possible that these things are you know carried out in that way I think the the the breakthrough case is going to be the one with feed so because we have the assassin with the Slovaks are fairly well connected and they have a fairly as I understand it a fairly strong criminal justice investigation system there's all sorts of people there who might help them to take the investigation forward and it's not impossible that we will eventually get to the truth and you know there are rumors already that you know some of the investigators there are starting to look towards Kiev just saying so you know it's that's it there's going to be a breakthrough it's going to be in these other cases I think Saudi Arabia will want to keep anything involving an attack on the crown prince as secret as possible because that's the Saudis and if I have to be honest about who run I think this is such a chaotic place in so many things I don't think you're going to get much really much you know information about what actually happened there I mean even especially I mean if it was just an accident I mean the negligence that must have happened is off the scale putting your president and your foreign minister on an ancient helicopter from the 1970s without proper navigation aids flying it over a mountain in the middle of a storm I mean there'll be all sorts of people there must be all sorts of people involved in that decision and they won't want to be identified and that makes investigation of any larger involvement any wider involvement um a lot more difficult so the feats of case is the one to watch the uh it'll be kind of like uh yeah you're right because the other ones will be a little bit like Nord Stream 2 uh we just don't know who did it uh maybe it was some Ukrainians dive down there and magically did something that uh really only us and British intelligence could have likely pulled off uh in special military operations it's everybody knows what happened but everybody pretends I don't know what happened but you know it shows Biden's ability to bring people together uh you know Nixon was able to separate Russia and China Biden couldn't bring him together uh you know there was all this Western effort uh over the last half century as you talk about to separate Iran post-revolution in Saudi Arabia uh argued the CIA was partially inspiring a lot of reinvigorating the old religious Sunni Shia dispute in order to justify Saudi power against the Iranian religious regime um but now you know Iran and Saudi Arabia for a period of time uh making day time thanks to Joe Biden because one thing they share in common is not hatred of America it's hatred of Joe Biden but the uh but speaking of other things they brought together is the effort uh how Biden has handled the Israeli dispute has managed to unite most of the global south to the degree that South Africa has now been able to instigate proceedings in the international criminal court now have you know the restaurants out for Netanyahu uh the this is what the western promoters of the ICC deserve is you know now they're very unhappy that there's a restaurant issued for Netanyahu well maybe don't promote a bogus court in the first place don't use it to go after the Serbs don't use it to go after Russia it's it's those people that validated and voused for this deep state rogue court that is often so susceptible to western agendas and is not what it's supposed to be which is you know Nuremberg 2.0 let's have an ongoing Nuremberg court to hold down the excesses and in war conflicts and hold people accountable that's not what it's mostly served as it's mostly served as a politically weaponized court uh to go after targeted groups it's just now backfired against them in the Israeli conflict now the uh go ahead no that's it that is absolutely right and the and if you want to see the group of that listen to the statement the long statement the long thing that Karim Khan the chief prosecutor of the ICC game because he's he's an effect conceding all the points that you've just made now what happened was and you know again I I have to say I have a little bit of information here which is that the Biden administration which says that it is disapproves of the ICC now and we're in the United States of course is never involved in setting it up but the Biden administration and the British government lobbied the ICC to issue an absolutely bonkers warrant against Vladimir Putin on the child abduction things now I ought to say I have quite a lot of experience in the past of family abduction cases when I was when I used to work at the RCJ the Royal Court of Justice and London I was the person to whom all those people could accuse the child abduction came we used to get people coming into the Royal Court of Justice with their children in tow I've abducted my short child from South Africa or Paraguay or Brazil or Italy or wherever I need representation the authorities are after me finally some representation I've dealt with heaps of child abduction I used to be the expert on it and I could say straight away this warrant that they brought is absurd it isn't just absurd they're work compelling jurisdiction issues neither Russia nor Ukraine is a member of the as ratified the Rome statute and of course Russia is not a party to the Rome statute nonetheless they went behind all of that they said look this jurisdiction issue isn't important doesn't apply you can go ahead and issue a warrant anyway just go ahead and issue it Ukraine says you know you can apply the Rome statute on our territory if you wish we won't object so just go ahead and do it and they did it they undermined the key issue of jurisdiction so the ICC goes and issues this absolutely idiotic warrant and then of course what it finds is that all across the global south south Africa apparently the African states have been pushing this one especially hard Arab states as well they've been saying to the ICC well look if jurisdiction is so unimportant and you can just go ahead and issue warrants why don't you do that against Israel too because if you don't do it against Israel well we're going to start pulling out we're going to start retreating because we're going to say that you're imposing selective justice let's say karam khan prosecutor who is by the way British he's a British lawyer and if you look at the panel but he works with it's almost entirely British people i know George Clooney's wife is also involved apparently but anyway anyway he goes ahead and he does that because he knows perfectly well that if he doesn't do that his reputation in the global south is trashed and the court is out of control and the issue of jurisdiction which ought to have been the key point is completely thrown away because they themselves threw it away on the on the russia case now the russian foreign ministry has made a really clever statement about this the specific thing they've said and speaking about the west speaking about the united states or to be more precise about the Biden administration and the ICC rather the chief prosecutor's decision they said they're the scorpion that has stung itself with its own tail the spider that's got trapped in its own web and that's exactly what's happened what's extraordinary is the the domestic politics in the us has been comparable the Biden administration's attempt to toe the line between its older jewish voting base and the sort of the young hard left and the uh and in the uh in certain states Arab and Muslim vote he's completely managed to enrage both sides and not satisfy either by trying to well you know i'll give you guns to go into Gaza but i'll i'll set up a big you know port thing outside of Gaza uh you know we'll create a dock and you know we'll get food in but but well maybe i won't won't send the arms no that's kind of what trump got in peace forces so maybe i will sit i mean just all over the place and believe the way it's going to shake out domestically politically is likely going to be net lost votes now the jewish vote in the united states quite frankly it doesn't matter much uh because it's concentrated in new york and new jersey a little bit in florida uh but florida's moved so far to the right it's not going to be close in 2024 nor despite uh you know hopes and aspirations of some people nor is new jersey in new york gonna be competitive it's still overwhelmingly democratic but so what that does is that strangely shifts the impact vote so on the right that the base big sport for israel comes from evangelical christians and orthodox jews or the docs jews are also mostly located in new york so the vote doesn't matter a lot but evangelical christians are all over the place in america so that vote can matter on the on the right side of the equation but on the uh anti uh israeli war effort is the reason why you're seeing by trying to walk this line with the protest on college campuses and all the rest is because if you watch the democratic primary you got big objection from there's two states that have a concentration of arab or muslim votes that's dearborn michigan uh and that's minneapolis minnesota this is where uh rashi talib was elected from congress and dearborn elan omor omor about predominantly samalian immigrants uh in minneapolis the uh uh every every every uber it reminded me of london when i was in minneapolis last time every uber driver was samalian i remember i was in london every uber driver was named mohammed uh and i was like just say some things are changing i wonder if this is going to have an impact on brexit i thought at the time let's turn it out yeah maybe so but so though they voted almost half of those voter groups voted uh uncommitted against biden in the democratic primary process so it's from that's what scared the biden administration aside from their internal split in the state department between what you could say is the pro israel side put neo-con neo-liberal either label on them uh and the sort of the arabist side uh you know that which goes all the way back to curment roosevelt and that whole career people who fancy they think they're all they all think they're Lawrence of arabia you know i mean it's that kind of everything they read the Lawrence of arabia and i'm like i'm gonna be like Lawrence of arabia be beloved in the in the well maybe i remember uh kim uh can be there that the spy his father was like deeply embedded in british intelligence throughout the air of muslim world so you know that has a longer history so he's got institutional issues as well but the the vote is about two to three percent of the vote is arab or muslim in minneapolis in minnesota and michigan statewide but in a tight race they can end up being a tipping factor now they obviously wouldn't vote for kennedy because kennedy's on the israeli side as well but corno west or jill or jill stein will likely be on the ballot in both states and stein is in west of both been very uh you know critical of israel's efforts and gossip and so they could easily absorb that vote and a tight election it could actually flip things uh the the hard left is more better at organizing than they are getting actual votes like uh i i track to see whether places like berkeley or other places voted in protest abide and they really didn't they're just weren't enough numbers there so that they're organized enough to take over college campuses uh they're kind of like uh communist in the 80s you know that they're loud if if they're been twitter uh youtube you would have thought 20 percent of the country was you know hard left uh because they're the kind of people that are very active very well organized they just don't translate in actual votes but the arab and muslim vote does actually have this concentrated presence that due to the unique demographic and electoral college nature of american presidential elections may actually have some impact on the election uh i i don't i mean and then it'll be interesting to watch trump trump has like domestically gone like so he didn't interview with time in which he questioned whether october seven he almost said those uh whether it was an inside job i mean if you listen what's amazing is the right has suppressed that interview entirely because they don't want to deal with that you know trump skepticism about somebody's thing also trump has never forgiven net and yahoo for endorsing biden quickly after the 2020 election that's the kind of personal grievance trump keeps forever memory of an elephant he's bragging about this for many years um but publicly trump sees how it's playing out uh that as long as it's israel versus hamas overwhelmingly the political right in america's gonna be on israel's side if that's the way it's framed at the same time uh both younger generations and the sort of populist side uh of american politics isn't for getting more involved in these kind of conflicts isn't for lots of money going over there isn't uh just like not for money for you crayne i mean that is slow we predicted only back that we would you would watch the anti- ukraine money rise and rise and rise and that's what's happened so right now it's even the majority of the republican and caucus in the house doesn't want to spend money on it on ukraine so i think that domestic politics will keep shaking out of terms of the international fallout but the biggest problem he has internationally is just war right how whoever you you're at whatever side or however you take your opinion on israel or ukraine it's still war and it's with trump there was peace abroad there wasn't there weren't all these new wars i mean you can argue about what was happening in certain places but as there was no new wars under trump uh and it was you know an effort to pull out of seria uh an effort to try to change somebody asked in the live chat you know what happened when trump tried to enforce the menska cords anytime trump did anything to second guess ukraine uh and the deep state politics in ukraine anytime he did anything to try to reach a deal with with Putin he was impeached or criminally investigated that that's what happened that's how they reacted to those things um so but you know the jadey vance potential vp for trump is out there saying the message is simple with trump you had peace abroad prosperity at home with biden you got war abroad poverty at home and that simple message is why biden is in such trouble the only question is whether or not who trump picks his vice president and if trump would embrace more populist issues he would have a complete lock on the election in 2024 uh if he doesn't then you could see robert kennedy continue to surge and surge and surge and if you care about opposition to deep state politics food freedom financial freedom julie and asage edwards snowden these kind of issues then you want to see robert kennedy rise in the polls because that's what's going to force those public policy issues to the front and may get trump trump has already reversed his position on crypto for the first time is embracing uh crypto say you know four years ago he had a total boomer position uh thought it was all a scam now he's like if you love crypto vote trump all right that's a complete that's because of robert kennedy surging with crypto community supporters on financial freedom same on the he's talking about chronic disease everybody knows really where the chronic disease comes from comes from a combination of big food big tech and big pharma it's their impact and influence you see it in the difference between the omics and everybody else the omics doesn't have an chronic disease epidemic the omics don't have doesn't have a shocking rise of anxiety depression and self-mutilation self-arm amongst its young female population like the us does uh the omics doesn't have uh an obesity epidemic nor does it have an autism epidemic like the rest of the world or in the west and particularly the united state does and it's what's different from the omics and everybody else the omics are divorced from big tech big food and big pharma that the rest of us are being inundated with so i think some of those issues populist issues robert kennedy's campaign does a great job to push those issues to the front and we'll see if trump uses that popularity as an opportunity to jump on that bandwagon biden is never going to jump on that bandwagon because biden is biden um you know he's you know he's lbj's mentally deficient little brother but if people want to know what american politics would look like under institutional republicanism look at britain right what is looking what's happening to the Tories there's always a parallel between us and uk politics in the last 80 years or so and i've long said if you had paul ryan republican politics mitch mcconnell republican politics in america you would be doa is a party that you would end up like the Tories and if people aren't studying it i mean at least from what i can tell and you may feel it the Tories are a disaster now the labor party is not really an alternative in fact maybe you will see if forage surges or somebody else search but this politics of deferring to the deep state the globalist whatever a label you want to put on it but elites against the interest of their own people about core issues of freedom about war everywhere i mean well whoever you blame they're ever they get involved war happens they get involved the economy snakes that that's what happens and uh and so i think that's where trump has a good electoral dynamic hopefully kennedy surges in ways that pushes these good populist issues to the front um but otherwise the path would have the us would look like uk today with epox on all your parties uh if we had followed the institutional establishment mitch mcconnell right before i deal with brett and fish is a always a always an interesting topic but rather a sad one in some ways can i just quickly go back to the question of um these international courts that have been set up and how they become basically rogue institutions there's a really brilliant book by john laughland who had looked at the melosovich trial and said exactly this that you cannot have courts that are not properly anchored in a sovereign state system where they become disconnected by it from it um everything that you um expect or the rules all of the concepts of due process will inevitably become corrupted because there is no ultimate control to ensure that they observe those basic rules and you see this at all of these tribunals you know the international tribunal of new slavia the other tribunals that have been set up on all sorts of things and you see this again with the way in which the international criminal court has thrown out the key issue jurisdiction it's completely out of the window doesn't apparently apply anymore all you have to do is say that you know particular country says you know when we're not going to ratify the roman statue but you know we're going to apply it in this particular one case and you're you're there you can just issue anything you like and before long they'll be doing it they'll be doing it in moreable cases as well so john laughland's book on the melosovich trial absolutely essential reading now you're absolutely right um robert about britain there's been many comments many people in the united states talk about the uni party in the united states we have much more of a uni party in britain at the moment than you do in the united states you have two political leaders soon i can start and starma who basically are interchangeable neither of them is liked their parties are not liked the quality of governance that has been delivered by this uni party is terrible and universally acknowledged to be such living standards in britain who've fallen statistics by the way are no longer reliable because they're manipulated all the time life gets harder all the time and we get drawn in britain into all kinds of wars and conflicts that when we know the want nor have any stay in so you know we all become involved britain has become heavily involved for example in the conflict in ukraine there's never been a proper public discussion about this in britain oh there's been massive flood of articles but there's never really been a proper broad-based discussion looking at all of the issues asking what exactly is it that we're trying to do here what other policies you do not want to be there in the united states and you know if i'm going to be honest about normal trump this is what i'm going to say it seems to me that over the last few weeks and months he has been bending increasingly towards appeasing the uni party i don't think he belongs to it i think all his instincts are against it i still think he retains his connection to the american electoral and political base i think he's able to talk to americans and likes americans in a way that no actual true member of the uni party would ever do but i think that he's very intimidated by them he's intimidated by them but after what happened to him during the time when he was president when he was twice impeached and continuously investigated and saw his presidency turned upside down and i think he's intimidated actually by all these cases i appreciate that they're absurd and ridiculous they all seem to be falling apart i completely agree with what robert said about the fact that in electoral terms they have been completely counterproductive they made trump trump more popular rather than less but the psychological effect on someone of being continuously litigated against in the way that trump has been threatened with imprisonment over the most nonsensical things um asked to put up bombs for astronomic amounts of money in a case where no one has suffered any loss but of which he still said to be a criminal in some fashion and whereby the way the victims of the crime apparently still wanted to do business with him anyway i mean the effect of all of this on him must have been must be enormous anybody who knows anything about the legal process will know how stressful and in fact awful it is to be exposed to it in that way so i think what he's now doing is he's getting he's getting himself altogether too close to people like mike pompeo who are about i gather is back and people like that and he's making concessions he made i think a utterly misconceived one on ukraine aid not perhaps even so much about ukraine but i mean you know the way he dropped the whole issue of the border which is one that americans really care about and i think what he will discover is that even if he does become president if he's made all these concessions he will but if he will have simply fed an unappeasible monster which will sense that he's scared of it and will then come after him and demand more and more and more and he will never be able to give them enough so that is what i think about Donald Trump and by the way i you know talking about robert kennedy i mean you know there'd be many criticisms of robert kennedy but i would simply say this to the extent that he reminds trump who i think is still the leading alternative candidate to the extent that he reminds trump of trump's own populist roots of the people who trump really needs in order to win up the election and in order not just to win the election but to work out the promises that he has the objectives he has if he wants to become remaining proud to the extent that robert kennedy does that and is able to keep trump whole trump not just to his words but ultimately to his own cause then energy is serving a vital purpose and the fact that there's this concerted attempt to try to silence and exclusion marginalizing in every possible way which is driven again by the uni party ultimately confirms that so that's that's what i think and if you want to see what a disastrous outcome having a complete control by the uni party at every aspect of your policies actually is then look no further than broosen where in a terrible way here our economy is stagnating our foreign policies all over the place are living standards of falling but nobody nobody believes that there is going to be any change or anything better because they look at starboard and they look at sunak and they look at the liberal party the liberal democrats and the greens and what they see at the same people they just see the same people reflecting each other same and promising the same things exactly the the other interesting aspect i was curious your thoughts on that has some domestic impact here it's another place where kennedy has been out front and trump in the past has been good just hasn't talked a lot about it recently which is the effort as you mentioned these you know more or less anchorless courts become EU style bureaucracies that are failed governments and that fail the causes and principles they're supposed to serve the world health organization continues to promote their new treaty to basically shift power to them anytime there's a pandemic and the the WHO Kennedy has been out front very critical of it trump in the past tried to withdraw us from the world health organization recognizing its problems i think he would politically benefit to returning to that became back and said you know what i should have got a needle the first time and we're gonna get out now uh that all it does is lead to more war and conflict doesn't lead to more peace let's get out of the world health organization and by golly not support this crazy treaty that would usurp uh sovereignty around the world but i mean in america it's tough for a treaty to become law first it's got a the president's got a proposal the senate has to support it by two-thirds even then it's not binding law until congress impasse it passes implementing legislation that has to go through both the house and the senate and the president in terms of domestic legislation and then even then it can be challenged constitutionally because a treaty can't override the constitution and after that the supreme court at other courts have consistently ruled american can ignore its treaties it's one of the points i always encourage people like the saunjas camp and other places to always bring up fact that the u.s by law can abrogate any treaty it wants any time it wants just did it to the apache uh out west that they discovered a bunch of copper and it was on apache holy land i said in our treaty for over 150 years 170 years said we're gonna respect that holy land but nah we're taking away we want the copper and the court said no problem because you can abrogate a treaty anytime you want important for most extradition courts don't know this because in their domestic country you can't the local legislative branch can't just throw out a treaty you can in america but around the world there's different rules about and so how much is the WHO treaty how much has it popped up at all uh in in discussion in different places around the world globally i don't know about the whole world but i can talk to talk about Britain very little if you follow the mainstream media there's been a few articles about it in a few places the daily telegraph has had a few critical articles about it because it tends in fairness to the daily telegraph to bring it up from time to time but it's not a big topic and of course it should be because what you are going to empower is a institution an organization over which you have no control they will have control of over you but you won't have any control over them you can't vote for the people who run the WHO so if they decide that they can impose all kinds of policies and restrictions upon you and you don't like it well you can't hold them to account and of course the essence of democracy is accountability where there is no accountability by definition they cannot be democracy because democracy as you know is explained all those years ago in Athens and was the founders of the united states he perfectly well democracy flows of the people power is with the people the people therefore must be able to hold those with power over them to account if they can't do that if you have an institution like the WHO which says oh you got this treaty you must shut your doors kick yourself in wear masks put on you know uh aren't uh you know suits of armor or whatever it is they want you to do inject yourself with whatever we say if you can't protest about it if you can't change it if it is law in your own country because a treaty says it is then you're not in a democracy anymore now this is not a simple disartific thing to understand and it ought to be a very easy thing to understand and you know i'm going to be generous to the WHO and say maybe these are not people necessarily who want the people who are proposing this maybe they really believe that you know this is the right way good thing and that they're serving some kind of wider greater benevolent purpose but of course all bureaucracies and i you know i've worked in bureaucracies i know i've worked in state bureaucracies i know when you set up a bureaucracy which is unaccountable the one thing it will always do is expand that is in its nature it will always expand expand it will always demand more resources it will always seek more control because that is the nature of whatever bureaucracy is that's how it justifies its existence it's true of nature it's true of the EU it's true of all the various courts that we've been talking about and of course it's true of the WF at WHO well speaking of WF so it looks like Bloomberg has confirmed that dear Klaus is stepping down uh any thought i mean i i loved Klaus um as a spokesperson for the WF because like if i wanted like a caricature if i wanted that someone that looked and sounded like a bond villain for an for an agency an entity that to me is bond villain worthy then i wanted it to be someone that sounded kind of like a nancy uh turned out they've had some you know family nancy ties uh and that's what was great about Klaus you know and go to see bugs the i mean he he bragged about all this insane stuff the uh for the whole world to see oh i don't want to be any part of that uh and may put the WF on the world stage in ways that didn't promote uh the WF's ultimate objectives and agenda so i'll be curious who they were placing with but any thoughts on his retirement oh it's it's it's a it's a it's a bigger bet because of course he's been there since since his inception it's important to say i mean has he really retired or is he going to be there uh you know the next room keeping control of things uh you know what does wander i mean he doesn't seem to me like the kind of person who will quietly walk away and go to his chalet and switzerland's and uh go fishing that doesn't seem to me to be quite the Klaus Schwab that i've become used to but whoever takes over from him it will be someone very like him perhaps not a demeanor and personality and by the way i wonder whether that's the reason more than any other that he's going because i'll say something but Robert i'm sure people have been listening to you at least in Britain because i noticed a couple of articles um in the British media this is the mainstream media in Britain who actually were comparing Klaus Schwab to a bombed villain they said that he looked and sounded like one so um you don't really want a bombed villa type a stromberg or a blow felt or something like that uh and too obviously in charge so you want somebody who looks smoother younger and says all the right things someone like you know Justin Trudeau maybe and someone like that you have someone like that of your organization and then you can say well you know you know we're not threatening in any way where we're actually really entirely benevolent and good people and i suspect that's what we're going to say to the uh to the chatter asked about the Duarte case uh in America there's i have a case of another homeless farmer under attack uh Ruben King uh who just did a private gun sale for his private hobby of gun collection he's a farmer that's his job the government indicted him in security conviction i represented him at the sentencing stage we were able to get in probation but we're taking up on appeal they wanted to put him in prison for three years it gives you the idea how nuts this was but the uh well we're taking up on appeals whether the second amendment allows that because the second amendment has says under the Supreme Court's recent jurisprudence unless we ban unless we made it a crime at the time that the constitution was passed or at least when the 14th amendment went in then it's not something that can be a can you can permit it a crime now if it impacts your right to bear arms and our argument's going to be along the lines of Duarte where they said there isn't a history of penalizing people uh saying you can't own a gun and it's a crime to own a gun because way back in the past at some point you were convicted of something uh particularly when it was a nonviolent crime the same here i mean here just private gun sales uh so you know that's another place where the Amish intersect with this insane legal attack and assault on the Amish uh the other but i had a question for Alex i was figuring out my betting odds for the upcoming uh European football competition and i was trying to figure out what's the risk that like a narrative that could come out of the competition is if uh we see Eurovision style things if Ukraine does well right uh you know this is not a great it has a couple of good players on the Ukrainian team but not a great team really shouldn't advance but i was thinking what's the possible it's not like the refereeing and officiating connected to UEFA has been beyond our approach uh you just look at recent controversies concerning PSG uh in their game against Barcelona PSG is owned by the Qataris Macron is obsessed with promoting PSG and having Mbappe try to stay in the country and you know coincidentally they get very favorable officiating uh the key game that got him to the semifinals not enough to get him to the finals uh but uh what's the risk do you think that the officiating has some impact on because it's European sports is never completely outside of the political arena and i'm monitoring how how much there's already a narrative building of how great it would be if the Ukrainian team did well and rally behind Ukraine uh because nothing says freedom and democracy like having no elections and locking people up and killing journalists like Gonzalo Lira uh you know Blinken was busy at a Nazi restaurant they just had to take down all the Nazi propaganda uh you know that like they celebrated the burning of the people alive at Odessa that was at one of those restaurant cafes where he goes to where that's usually one of the big photos on the wall they at least learn the lesson the last guy learned not to have been dara behind his head so you know they took down some of that stuff so there's no embarrassing little photos but what's the risk we see politics enter the euros this summer hey it's i would say for Ukraine maybe get them out of the first round get them through i think once you get through the first round though i think it's going to be hard to right you can't really screw over the big powers in your yeah you can't screw exactly you can't screw over you could screw it George uh you could screw uh you know maybe Georgia might be a good pick you know maybe they tell Georgia look if you get rid of the foreign agents law we'll get you guys through the yeah maybe Georgia might be a good pick so i don't know but but i think they could do that i think they could do that fairly easily but once you get to the later rounds that's gonna be a problem you can't screw over the the big football powers right right no way not gonna happen not gonna happen but yeah i would pick them to get past uh past the first round why not exactly yeah look up there they're fast packing them for euro for the EU Ukraine i read that today they're gonna fast pack them in Moldova it did the EU side me there they're gonna do everything they can to keep them on what do you guys think well let's say there's a Ukraine led into the EU and NATO what does the Ukraine look like by that point three four years ago is it just land rump Ukraine is it Kiev and western Ukraine is it does it still include Odessa i mean no Putin said we're not going into Harkov yet you know out of the yet part um well where do you think i mean i don't see any way that Ukraine wins the war in the east with Russia uh that's just counting down the time we talked about the very beginning you know this is deep battle policy of Russia for over a century gonna be brutal attrition they've been very patient and they've just allowed Ukrainians to throw people into the meat grinder and just get grind up they're busy dragging random kids off the street random old people off the street forced them into the front lines that has never been a long-term success strategy you know in this kind of conflict if you can't get them to go that means the war is not popular enough to be supportable and sustainable over time um but where do you think it ultimately ends does it end in a peace deal that does the Ukraine just capitulate do they wait does the Biden administration wait until after the election to try to capitulate um uh or does Russia go further it does it go all the way up to the nyepern take away all the access is it true water i have a question for you Robert is it true that Biden um wants to get Ukraine settled by the summer i've read some analysts saying that he's starting to freak out and he wants to wrap this thing up by the summer have you heard anything i think what is it it's they're they are more paranoid than anybody of the Kennedy campaign that's why they're obsessed with structuring debates outside the presidential commissions because they the presidential commission had set rules that Kennedy would meet Kennedy would have more than 15 percent of the polls and be on the ballot in a majority of states with the majority of electoral votes that's why they didn't deal they went to CNN ABC and said okay we're going to screw the presidential commissions like that no one had done during the whole history of the presidential commissions no democrat at least and uh and and but on one condition you guys don't allow Kennedy on the stage the adult and Kennedy one of his big issues is Ukraine is constantly critiquing the administration on Ukraine and one of the longest standing positions Kennedy's had people go back and read his articles from the early 70s through the 2000s he's basically opposed pretty much every American war there hasn't been a war that he has supported or military intervention that he has supported he's opposed it place after place after place after place so uh and it's the old anti-war left and where Kennedy is grammatically expanding it the most politically unmoored group in America right now are working class millennials zoomers and younger gen xers um and particularly about millennials and zoomers this is who the democratic party united states was depending upon being their search and they've monitored things like melchon and in france who was able to activate the young left towards a more populous direction wasn't able to build a bridge to lapen though they did some work on that on on the parliamentary side on select issues vaccines and others um but basically with Robert Kennedy that's who he's tapping that the they're disproportionately african-american and latino this is where Kennedy's getting votes in places that were not the base of his father or his uncle uh that it's not boomers that are supporting him it's not old labor people it's not old irish catholics that's not his basing that's not a supporting kennedy who's supporting Kennedy are millennials and zoomers who listen to podcast and follow social media who are working class over disproportionately the ones that back kennedy or considering kennedy and they're the number one group that has said screw Biden Biden isn't losing like older black female democratic voters Biden is losing young black male voters uh he's not losing old school labor Hispanic voters he is losing younger Hispanic voters Mexican American and others Puerto Rican etc uh the he's not losing the older boomer vote in the working class north that still thinks of him as an old democratic political machine guy who means well even if he's a corrupt pervert on the side um the uh but he is losing younger working class democratic voters so uh and that's who robert kennedy is running his whole campaign towards and one of the biggest years is the war the war the war the war the war look at all the money getting drained to go to the war the war the war the war so i think in biden's mind okay the way i'll just pretend the economy is fine i'll try to juice it whatever way i can try to get the secretary of the treasury to spend a bunch of money out of the fed account uh try to get the fed to lower lower rates when the time is right uh try to try to get the Saudis and you know try to be nice to the Saudis now say sorry for accusing you of murder totally totally apologize uh you know would you please uh lower the price of oil that's not working i mean good luck with trying to do that with Putin right that's what tell you crane yeah you can bomb some of civilians just don't hit any oil plants right right we don't need the price oil going up i mean this is the kind of nightmare nonsense they're trying to try to maneuver it through so i have no doubt he would prefer there be a deal that he could sell as a win now the hard part is the latter part how the heck do you tell this as a win you'll know that they're planning on doing a deal if they start a media campaign that says all of Ukraine is going to be gone can you crane salvage anything and then when they cut a deal and they just give eastern Ukraine to Russia oh wow we saved Ukraine we saved Odessa we saved Kiev we saved the Ukrainian people even though it was the exact same deal that could have been done from the get-go in fact on worst terms for Ukraine but that he needs something he can sell as a win and that isn't a war come election day same with Israel he needs somehow Israel and Gaza to to calm down to to to to not have such inflamed opinions on both sides yep good luck with that i mean Netanyahu and Biden Netanyahu obama that hostility between them those two go way back so it's the same it be heat they put themselves in a hole everywhere right now they need help from China or help from Russia or help from Saudi Arabia or help from Israel or help from Iran or help from anywhere help from South America help from Argentina help from El Salvador you see Malay success in Argentina for the time being you see the great populist success of the probably the best populist success anywhere in the world is the El Salvadoran president that the that they can't get any help you can't get help from Mexico because the Mexican president doesn't trust Biden at all so actually likes Trump more than he likes Biden even though it comes in sort of the left populist Latin American tradition so that's their problems they can't get a deal but he absolutely wants uh there not to be active inflamed wars on election day going up against combined anti-war Trump and a deeply anti-war Kennedy so i've no doubt the rumors are true the question is how do they sell it given the only deal that's doable it at least gives away eastern Ukraine i mean i don't know what you guys think about what Russia would accept i still think Putin would be fine taking the four provinces they've already declared as part of the structure and having Crimea recognize that Russia i'll just say yeah i'll just say quickly before Alexander jumps in um Alexander's explanation of of how the war could could end even if Russia just gets to the denipid i think is is the most logical way that that this could could end which would still mean that Russia would get most of Ukraine even if they just make it to the denipid because of the geography and the economic dynamics of it but Alexander yeah i mean not much better than that i guess i haven't heard what's again i haven't heard people talking about this the way that you talk about Alexander even though we haven't been on video this is but this is because people don't do economic geography anymore but briefly the important thing to understand about the NIPA which is the country river that bisects Ukraine so we talk about eastern Ukraine we mean Ukraine east of the NIPA when we talk about western Ukraine basically we mean Ukraine west of the NIPA is that the NIPA is not a natural boundary it is certainly not an economic boundary if you look at where all the big cities in Ukraine are located Kiev, Niepro, Kremenshuk, Krivoyerog, Nikkopol, Zaparogia they are all located on the NIPA and if you have a situation where the Russians are on the east bank what they what they what that would mean is that without some kind of economic treaty with the Russians all of economically viable Ukraine would be cut off from its from its economic roots it all of these cities would wither that they would be within range of Russian artillery they would not be able to trade or operate well it is the idea of creating a western Ukraine west of the NIPA and sealing the whole of the rest of the territory to the Russians and expecting that this western Ukraine could somehow prosper against Russia is simply not economically viable it makes no sense as a matter of fact rivers generally river systems generally I'm not saying this is always the case but usually they do not make for borders you do sometimes find rivers which are borders but if you look at all the great rivers of history you know the Danube, the Rhine, the Yangzi, the Nile they are not borders they are they're actually places that NIT countries together because that rivers historically have been the prime transportation corridors so that that's what I'm going to say about Ukraine I mean it's it's a thing that people don't understand and never talk about because as I said it's economic geography which used to be by the way an absolutely vital subject when I used to study history and before them really isn't taken particularly seriously anymore now about where the Russians will go and what they will do I think we have to understand that this is a constantly evolving matter and Robert you put your finger on it when you talked about the fact that the Mexican president doesn't trust Biden nobody trusts Biden Putin absolutely doesn't trust Biden Xi Jinping has told Biden to his face I don't trust Biden nobody trusts Biden and the Russians know perfectly well that you know they could do a deal with Biden and after the election you go back on it you know you allow him you love the Ukrainians control of some part of Ukraine and then of course as night follows day that part of Ukraine is brought into NATO beyond them and happens all kinds of things take place and the Russians won't allow that now on top of everything else it really has to be said that we have the most disastrous the most catastrophic mismanagement of foreign policy I think in the history of the United States going all the way back to the revolution to the 1780s I've completely missed this but I recently learned from an article by Ray McGovern and I looked at the interview itself well that Lavrov the Russian Foreign Minister gave an account of a meeting he had with Blinken in January 2022 this is before the war began and Putin in a meeting of a telephone conversation he'd had with Biden. He warned the idea that Biden had promised him that the United States would not install ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads in Ukraine that was just a few days before Blinken and Lavrov met so Lavrov meets with Blinken and this is going to be the starting point from the Russian point of view of the discussions and Blinken says no no no Blink Biden never said any such thing we reserve the right to have nuclear weapons anywhere we want on any part of NATO territory Ukraine will one day be a part of NATO the only restriction we have we're prepared to consider about nuclear missiles is not where they're placed but their number so in effect Blinken told Lavrov if Ukraine joins NATO which the Americans want we will install nuclear weapons missiles in Ukraine now I don't whether that was the plan but that was what Blinken told Lavrov Lavrov of course reports it to Putin the Russians have already made it absolutely clear that they regard the deployment of nuclear weapons to Ukraine as a red line comparable to the Soviet deployment of nuclear weapons to Cuba was for the United States and Blinken says this to Lavrov on the eve of what would turn out to be a war it's an unbelievably crazy thing now the Russians are forming their policy on the basis of all of these things that the Biden administration said so they know they remember what Blinken told them in January 2022 Lavrov after all has just provided us with the details recently so if Biden comes along and says let's let's freeze the conflict along this line or that line or somewhere else and let's come to some kind of informal agreement because they can't be treated because we all know how difficult it is to get the Senate to ratify anything in the United States and they're not going to ratify any partition treaty over Ukraine so let's come to some kind of informal agreement about Ukraine the Russians know as night follows day that it's not going to stick and that incentivizes them ultimately to pursue the war up to the point where they will dictate terms now Putin over the course of his trip to China and in connection with it and this is very significant told the Chinese a very important thing you said yes we are prepared to talk about Ukraine we are prepared to come to negotiate over the future of Ukraine we always have been that hasn't changed obviously the Ukrainians must recognize the territory realities that's that's an obvious first issue but for the to be peace in Ukraine there must also be negotiations about the security architecture of Europe he said that now I've been saying that this is going to be the Russian position all along ever since the Istanbul agreement collapsed as we know how back in April 2022 that is now going to be the Russian demand unless they get it they will go up they will go pressing on they will certainly go to the NIFA they're winning the war they're confident that they're winning the war Ukraine has been hollowed out I don't think in Washington people quite understand how brittle the situation in Ukraine is the economist is telling us that Zelensky is now screaming at his generals for example so I mean that tells you how bad the situation is so the Russians know all of this they've no incentive to compromise for anything less we don't know where their army is going to stop but at the very least they're going to make sure that whatever is left of Ukraine is going to be aligned with themselves and that is the minimum condition if you want some larger agreement it has to include the general security situation in Europe now I think a wise US administration were not led by Joe Biden one led perhaps by Donald Trump possibly by Robert Kennedy Jr would have no trouble with that why not negotiate with the Russians about the security situation in Europe it doesn't affect the security of the United States I would say it enhances the security of the United States far better to have an agreement with the Russians which means that you don't face an arms race in Europe at the time when you're facing a challenge in the Pacific it that seems to me obvious and it's better for Europe as well but of course the current administration will never do that the Russians will never trust them anyway and of course all of the usual people in the deep state the think tanks them various other things the near cons the near-come newspapers all of that they won't agree to resolve it to some of the uh uh live tech questions sort of rapid fire answer some of them on the VP side the populist choices for Trump would be Tulsi Gabbard J.D. Vance Ben Carson the deep state candidates would be Marco Rubio Tim Scott Elise Stefanik and it will tell you a lot about which direction Trump's planning on going by who he has as VP though we likely don't know that until July uh can Trump legally enforce schedule F absolutely it's one of the VEX very good ideas for deconstructing the administrative state and the deep state in terms of top five goals for a Trump administration in terms of what he should do immediately pardon Julian Assange and Ed Snowden get us out of the Ukraine conflict now all these guys just pick out the phone and say no more money I mean just say no more money that's it that say the grift is over you know Zelensky you can come to your new party pads in Monaco Miami and everywhere else uh along with all the other generals I mean I love it when they're like where are the fortifications outside Harkin that we said these billions of dollars for uh they're they're down in the Cayman islands that's what those fortifications are they they got it we fortified the pool we fortified the the the new car garage for the 15 cars that's that's the fortifications but you know get us out of the Ukraine war see what you can do to de-escalate the Israeli conflict the third fire everybody just fire everybody you can fire fire fire fire fire you know Trump's famous you're fired do it to everybody in the entire administrative state because they're almost all useless start from scratch and see who's any good and start to defund the deep state take away their money you take away their power just the easiest way to fire everybody is to just take away their job from any money right if you fire them there's all your civil service protection there's lawsuits galore whatever you just say yeah you could do your job there's just no money left uh that tends to have them go away the uh so I mean those will be three of the top priorities fourth you know restore some trade balance uh in terms of what's I mean there's been a lot of shift from China to Mexico that continues to create trade issues in the United States that impact domestic manufacturing it's time to ensure uh essential American services and manufacturing again rebuild the industrial base of the United States and then get us out of all these globalist institutions out of the WHO out of NATO out of all these institutions that are doing nothing but undermining liberty and freedom in the United States of America and I wouldn't mind a special criminal investigation council to investigate everybody who did wrong vis-a-vis the pandemic because the other thing that's come out is as we talked about way back said that if you dug deep and it lab leak explained COVID-19 from China if you dug a little deeper it circled right back to the American deep state and that's what's you know that now it's come out the funding ties they finally admitted they were involved in uh you know gain a function bio defense I love that bio defense we got to create a virus that just in case somebody else happens to create this very unique virus in order to defend against it I mean it's always been bio weapon research and violation of the Convention on Biologic Weapons is what's also happening but there probably needs to be some degree of Nuremberg style accountability all the people injured by the vaccines all the people whose businesses were stolen and ripped away from them during the lockdowns around the world uh there needs I mean people forget sometimes the Nuremberg trials like judgment Nuremberg the film portrays we're against judges we have judges in the United States violating people's federal civil rights in the January six cases and the trump cases and in other cases those judges need to be held accountable that in fact the civil rights laws the United States were originally written and designed to be able to both sue and indict judges uh you know take away judicial immunity when they decide to violate people's constitutionally protected rights uh that you know the all of those we have to recon you know it's like someone asked about free state project yeah free state projects great project the idea is to restore power more locally and you do have movements that are like it even if they're not called that all around the world part of the farmer protest and in across Europe are in part that part the the farm issues here in the United States are partially about that restore power to ordinary people let them choose their own fate in their own future and and there's ways in which we can do that by you know not having these that the opposite basically whatever the EU proposed proposed the opposite instead of power getting concentrated up and up and up and up in fewer and fewer people in these professional class bureaucrats that want to manage and govern the world to the point they want to tell us what food we can eat what medicine we have to take and everything else under what's what you know they're going to teach our five-year-olds about sexuality it's like five-year-old doesn't need to know that yet uh all that nonsense if we could if we restore power individually uh we go back as as Alex Ander mentioned earlier to the principles and precepts of the magna carda and restore that around the world empower individual it it's like someone asked about Michael Malice uh you know Michael Malice a great advocate for anarchism one of the best arguments is if you only give a small group of people a monopoly on both the means of violence and method of violence what's the likelihood the people that in that are in that small group are the most conscientious versus the most sociopathic and psychopathic any history as like people make the argument against anarchism that uh oh you you know what have crime everywhere and i'm like well then i'm only at risk from one individual you've never seen an inarchistic society engage in world war uh that's only something governments and states are able to do so the best arguments for Michael Malice the best arguments for anarchism same arguments for restore to constitutional liberty and individual sovereignty our risk goes up the more smaller groups of people have too much power our risks go down the more ordinary people get to share in that power one final question for you to answer Robert and we'll wrap it up your opinion on tiktok i don't think i've ever heard your opinion on the tiktok so it's here's a place where Kennedy and Trump agree uh that the tiktok ban is unconstitutional Kennedy's actually bringing suit he's bringing suit against Facebook uh for trying to censor his 30-minute documentary uh he's bringing suit against the Biden administration for engaging in coordinated censorship against them for four years after the day Biden showed up in the White House uh and he's suing against uh the tiktok lawsuit as are the tiktok folks because it's a clear attempt of a First Amendment prohibition it's like they they don't like the fact they don't really care about who owns tiktok that's just a fraud they they do care that the deep state doesn't completely control it that that kind of bothers them to all the social media was supposed to be mass surveillance mechanisms for which the censorship protocols kind of undermined but facilitated other people's intermediary agendas uh because of the democratizing effects such technology could have on our public discourse and public policy but the the real focus of the tiktok ban is to me one of Robert Kennedy's most successful social media platforms is tiktok it's mostly used by millennials and zoomers uh it it disproportionate now there's a lot of stuff on tiktok i don't like there's a lot of other components but that that's a uh criticism of its use not grounds to ban it not grounds to prohibit clearly violates the constitution i think they should win and prevail in that suit and trump is said banning it makes no sense and only promotes mark zuckerberg so there's like why are we just giving even more monopolies more monopolistic power how does that solve or serve any purpose it doesn't uh they claim it's a it just like with the russian sanctions part of it's about punishing russia part of it's trying to establish a precedent that that that they can control anybody anywhere anyplace any time and reach out and get them whether it's the roger vera indictment the attacks on amis miller illegally imprisoning pennsylvania farmers the weaponization of the legal system against president trump all these things combined with the same single message that they should have complete control over everybody everywhere all the time without limits of the law without limits of the elected people without the limits of individual sovereignty and constitutional freedom uh and to the last super chapter said obama is head of wef that makes terrifyingly too much sense yeah i agree that's very possible um one of my favorite guests from garland nixon have finally wrapped it up we'll wrap it up from sparky hey robert for dogs all right that was a fantastic uh live stream always great with robert bard's alexander robert any final thoughts well i just looked i just looked up clause 39 of magma carte i just thought i'd read it out no free man is to be arrested or imprisoned or desaced that means have he's properly taken or outlawed or exiled or in any way ruined nor will we go against him or send against him except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land so there you go exactly we just got to restore the same principle it's like he long said years ago i'm not here to uh to to throw out the constitution i'm here to make it read in the words it was written in and that's all we need in america and more individual power and sovereignty around the world and would be a much better place to be absolutely robert thank you work people find you and we're signing out one more time america people find you including your e-shop yeah so if you want to follow any of 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