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What we're going to do today, we're going to take a heat focus with this as we typically do. Obviously, there's a lot of transaction stuff that's out there today. Some reports that the Cleveland feels pretty good about resigning Donovan Mitchell, so maybe we won't get to the 38 episodes that we got to with Dame Lillard, but maybe we can consider this the third one in a series. We will talk about other things. I'll start here with the Josie, and let's put this in a macro context. How would you grade the heat's current cap situation, cap and tax? I did a lot of research just this week about it, and even with all these new hiccups within the CBA, the second apron stuff, which I'm sure when the heat were getting all these contracts with Bam and Jimmy's extension over the years and Duncan's contract, obviously they had no idea that stuff was coming. I'm sure that this was a curveball, to some degree, but even then, they are, I think they're still in really good shape, at least for the next two years for sure. Once Bam is ready to get his next contract, which presumably would be in the max range, and a max by then is going to be like 50 million plus a year, then things start to get a little more complicated. Jimmy still wants more money, but we'll see what happens then, and they'll presumably want to either add a third star, or maybe replace Jimmy with another star, but even with this, all this other money they have with Tyler Hero and Terry Rogier, Duncan Ramen, like I mentioned, I think they're still in pretty good shape. I guess the biggest thing is, one, are they able to consolidate some of it for another max player, or just maybe just a better back-court player doesn't necessarily need to be an all-star, or I think more pressing, they probably need a, unless like, Yovich really becomes that guy, they probably need another good front-court player. Greg, I'll let you jump in on this. Yeah, for sure. Yossi, thanks for coming back on, and let's start here. You talked about the extensions. Let's go through Jimmy Butler, Bam out of Bio, both extension eligible this summer. You talk about how it gets dicey once those guys get paid. Is there any incentive for Bam out of Bio to wait for an extension, or to take the money now? How do you see that playing out, and also with Jimmy Butler, his max extension could be a pretty hefty sum as well, probably over $50 million per as well. I'm just interested to get your perspective on both of those from a timing standpoint, where you see those things kind of happening for the heat. I'll start with Jimmy's first, because I think it's more simple, and despite whatever Pat Riley may have said in the media, and whatever hand-ups about will, you know, will he age well into it, I actually think it's a little less complicated, because if he or to do either extension he does, it's equal money, whether he adds the one year, or he declines the option that's two, it's basically three years, 161, both of them. So the real question is, do you want to have Jimmy for $26.27? Because the extra money he's making, it's really not that much more than he's currently making. The cap will go up by then. So I think with him just a year by year thing, is Jimmy still playing really well, because no matter what he's going to want top dollar. So I don't think, I don't know if the extension gets done now, I would guess they probably wait until next year, and go from there, maybe, you know, they still got another year left. But either way, the money's not that much more. But what's really going to shake things up in their cap sheet is once BAM gets that new extension. So he can extend this summer for three maximum of 166 million, and he can take that. And it's definitely a lot of money, but it does make sense to wait. He's been getting a lot better over the years, like his offensive arsenal is expanding. There's definitely a lot of, like, I was a little surprised when he first got that max contract, and he's surpassed it. He's gone above and beyond to meet the value of it and more. And he's getting better, so he can wait mainly because he could still qualify for the Super Max. If he wins defensive player in the year, he's going to have some competition with Wendy, but like he also plays third, I think that's the highest he ever placed in for the award. And the first time, too, he's been all first team defense. So it does feel like it's a little bit of a groundswell, but it also feels like Wendy's going to own the next 10 years, so that's the challenge. I mean, what you mentioned, though, about Jimmy, see, this is, again, there's a logical way to look at this, and then there's the emotional way that I think this is ultimately going to go. And this is what the heat have to wait, because what you said is true. The heat don't have to do it right now. I mean, Pat said it. I mean, first thing, they can't even do it till July 7th, but he said we don't have to do anything right now. That means this year, okay, they could technically wait until next year to do it. But I've said that I think if they don't give him the extension, he's going to walk. He's going to opt out, and he's going to take a three-year contract somewhere else. And I have this on pretty good authority that I'm confident that that's what people around him think he's going to do, because that's a very Jimmy Butler-like thing to do. It's going to be okay. I'll ball out for one year, and then see you. You don't want to extend me then. I'm not going to extend with you now. That's the risk that they run, because otherwise I agree with you. And this gets back to something we talked about with, and you're getting into BAM here, but they could have waited with BAM, I mean, right? And they kind of, they submarine themselves a little bit in the honest pursuit. I don't know that it would have happened, but it certainly made it harder, because they gave BAM the extension right away. They also do the same with Tyler and some of. So I don't know if they're going to do that with Jimmy. Certainly the tea leaves suggested based on Pat's past conference that they're not. They don't have to. But if they don't, they are taking a risk that goes beyond the financial part of this. I want to pivot a little bit on this, and again, we talk about three max players. Is it even feasible, let's go macro again in BA? Is it even feasible to have three maxes these days and succeed? Well, it depends on which type, because there's three different, but it'll be definitely tougher for the heat, because one, if they have Jimmy making the super max, and then the last point about BAM, you can take that regular max now that's roughly 55 million a year. But if he gets defensive player of the year, or all in BA, now we're talking potentially 70 million a year. So that's where things really get more complicated. It's really hard to project that far out. One seed actually on that next deal, what could happen? I could really, I could really only project like these next two years. And when you look at what BAM's making now, which is now relatively cheap, and then what Jimmy's making now, okay, that's, you know, one of the higher paid players in the league, you could fit in a Donovan Mitchell, which yeah, he's been the player linked now to multiple teams, including the heat, because his max isn't even, you know, at the highest of the levels. And even when he does get that next contract next year, it, I looked that, I looked into it could still work. I don't know for how long, but they can make it work for at least maybe a year or two. That's interesting because I think everyone wants the three star situation to come to Miami. I've been reluctant to hope traffic anything of the sort because I think it gets difficult with the salary cap to your point. And it's going to get difficult to the point where if Caleb Martin opts out this summer, hey, what high Smith is a free agent, the heater can have some decisions to make. And so from your perspective, forget going out and getting more talent from different teams. Can they retain their own guys in Caleb Martin and hey, what high Smith this summer? And how do how do those numbers stack up from your projections and kind of I'm interested to hear what you think Caleb will make on the open market because that's been a big heated topic and just pick your brain related to those two guys as Miami's, Caleb Martin's not a free agent yet. And I know that there's some creative things they could do with signing trades or opt in and trade to be extended. There's fun stuff, but just those guys as free agents, what do you think will happen with Miami? So I'll just start with some rough valuations. So when looking at Caleb Martin, most of the teams that are going to go after him have the mid-leveled off for, you know, starts at like just under 13 mil, he can top that. That is bird rights. So if they want to bring him back, what's something that's kind of like, okay, we beat the field and hopefully it's something that, and hopefully there's no cap space teams that maybe offer some like crazy two-year deals that are like front-loaded. And the best comp I could think is what the Lakers gave Ruby how she more last year. Not that they're equal players, but both kind of in similar positions, you know, like fourth or fifth options on the starting or closing lineups, they gave Ruby roughly 17 mil a year. So maybe Caleb could do something like that where it's like, you know, a slightly higher version of that, maybe 18 mil a year for like two, three years. Maybe he wants to keep it short, you know, to try to get some more money. There's no way. There's no way, right? I mean, I'm just saying like, they're not doing it, right? I mean, they're going to say what they said about Max, right, which is thank you for your service. Maybe you want to come back again someday, but we'd love to have you. You were great. You know, I had great moments of the playoffs, but more so maybe in Caleb's case than Max's. But yeah, I can't see them doing that with the second apron concerns and everything else they're dealing with, right? It's just not happening. So I agree in the sense that if they don't like the number, they will just be like, oh, I thank you, but we can probably figure something out. Thankfully, we have Jaime Hakka, thank you, we have Nikola Yovitch, we can probably find someone else like this is what we do. We're the heat we find you guys and, but we don't want to pay you guys after what happened in 2016 and 20, you know, yeah, mainly 2016, so, but I have looked into it. They could make a fit, you know, I've looked in the multiple centers. They could make a fit, but I would agree that ultimately, no, they just don't, they don't pay these guys. But the big difference between Caleb Martin and Max Drew's and Gabe Vinson is positioning. It's exactly way more valuable to what the heat need in the closing lineup in a playoffs, but maybe they could get someone better. Maybe, you know, when they do, if they do make some big trades that they want to reshuffle the back court, for example, maybe they don't get a back court upgrade. Maybe they do get a different front court upgrade. I don't know what player that could be. And then for Heywood Highsmith, he might, I could see him getting like around eight to nine million, just like, you know, Trey Liles, that's something he got back up. This backup for money, like what Kenner to Williams kind of makes. And I'm just looking at the high end of what these guys could be making. Maybe they end up getting him for less, but yeah, I just kind of like to play a little higher when I'm trying to do these valuations, but I, the only way I guess I see these guys coming back, like if the heat don't do anything, then they're, let's say they can't really do any trade. They got to go back into the season with the same Rosie or hero back court. That's not, that's probably means for sure Caleb Martin is not coming back, but they could probably still make it work with Highsmith around those figures I gave. But I think ideally you want to try to reshuffle the back court a little bit, get that money distributed where either you trade for that front court upgrade, or you just save some money by trading one of those guys. And then you have more flexibility to bring back Caleb at the very worst. So let's talk about trades. Donovan Mitchell, I, I said that it's going to cost hero, Hakka's, and Niko Yo, which Ethan kind of says the lines at Niko in terms of like where the negotiation tactics come into play. I was just looking at how to make the numbers work. Do you have more creative ways to get Donovan Mitchell to Miami that I don't know about? I'm interested to hear that, that scenario. So I kind of agree with that, the, the line that you made there. Again, that's just my opinion, but like the one thing though, like let's talk about the math first because in my opinion, the heater going to have very likely high payroll, like even if they are able to do this trade, whatever payroll they have now, it's going to be in that similar level. But whenever, if you're going to trade for Donovan Mitchell, for example, the heater are going to be hard cap to the second apron, no matter what. The reason is they're not trading Jimmy Butler, they're not trading Bam out of bio. So that means you need to trade at least one of Tyler Hero or, oh god, I was just saying his name. Terry Rosier. Terry Rosier, yeah. Yeah. And you got to add more salaries to, you got to add more salaries to aggregate, you got to aggregate to like match Donovan Mitchell's money, because once you aggregate, your hard cap to the second apron, but I don't think they're going to want to go pass it anyway. So it's okay. But if they take back more money than they're sending out, then their hard cap to the first apron. And you know, I'm sure that he, obviously like any other team, they don't want to spend so much money, if they can keep not being the tax that much, even be below the set for the first apron, they do it. But I do think if you're going to have three max players this upcoming season, you probably need that $11 million in space between both aprons to fill out the back end of the roster. When you're not being total crap. So to make it work, you can do Tyler Hero, Hawkes, and Josh Richardson, you know, just one of those minimum guys that gets, but I put Josh Richardson specifically, I think, I'm guessing he's going to opt in. So the money just works, we've given out just more than Mitchell salary. So now you can stay above the first apron. So that's number one. And then, but then like you're kind of, the rest of the roster, now you're just trying to budget it out within the second apron. So you're just trying, you know, you're just getting minimum guys for the most part. You have some room, you can use the tax pyramid level, or instead, if you, if, uh, Heywood Highsmith is market's not that high, maybe you could bring him back instead. The alternative is you're able to send out both here, uh, two of basically hero Rosie or Duncan Robinson. Now you're really not just, now you're not just getting the third max player, but you're like completely reshuffling the books because that's just a lot of money between those three guys. Now you can either maybe expand the deal, try to bring in an additional front court player like I mentioned. That's not too cheap. Just, just an example. I'm not saying you guys have to agree with it, but like Kyle Kuzma just because he's making the low twenties, that's someone you could really, that would really fit, uh, the, the payroll structure. But, um, instead they could alternatively maybe not take and take anyone else back and not take back that much more money. And now you could potentially instead re-sign Caleb Martin and Heywood Highsmith and maybe a small mid-level signing. There's this stuff I looked into today where you can definitely, um, yeah, so it is possible and somewhat sustainable, at least for these next two years. After that, uh, you know, it's kind of year by year thing. Yeah. Well, Jimmy's window is not that long. So if you're deciding to work with Jimmy's window and again, that's the case. You probably should extend him this off season so that the window is at least two years instead of one. Uh, but, you know, that, that's kind of what you're dealing with. All right. When we come back, uh, we'll get into a little bit more of this. By the way, I'm, I'm, uh, since you got two guys here, uh, that apparently can grow facial hair and I can't, um, I will say that I'm more inclined to keep Hawkeye's now that he has actually shaped his today, even though he looks ridiculous, uh, without it. I don't know if anybody saw him, uh, today on social media, but Jaime, just grow it back honestly. Just, just grow it back. Um, and if in Cleveland, he's going to need it because he's going to have to stay a little bit warmer. All right. But we will get to our great sponsor here. 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I'm seeing all of these, you know, garland rumors and everything else, and we know the clutch has expressed behind the scenes a desire to get garland out of there if Mitchell's there. I'm kind of giving him his own back court again because he hasn't had that since Mitchell's been there. Give me based on what you're looking at from a cap tax, well, it's mostly tax, but cap tax situation, apron situation, like what would be a good target for the heat this offseason? I provide it again, you'll see that Greg and I have gotten into a whole episode on this that like having hero and rosier both making in the, you know, rosier's case 24, Tyler high 20s, like having your back court that you don't even know if it's going to work, making 52, 53 million dollars between them is not ideal. So what would be your, if you got Jimmy and you got Bam coming back, what would you do? I think no matter what they do, whether it's running back most of this roster or successfully getting a major upgrade like Donovan Mitchell or not even that level, but just someone, I think they are still looking at most likely paying a pretty decent luxury tax bill and just trying to stay below the second apron because even if hypothetically, Caleb Martin were talked in, they're still, which is a cheap amount, they're still looking at being right pretty like close to second apron, where alternatively they re-sign Haywood Highsmith to something fair, like no matter what it's, they're going to be pretty well above the first, but kind of hovering below the second. And in all those situations, they're looking at like a 30 million dollar tax bill, which nowadays nothing, it's nothing like, it's pretty modest nowadays given how these, you know, how much higher it could be the deeper you are once you get above the second apron or if you're in the repeater tax. Now at the same time, let's say they do mostly run it back and they aren't quite playing at the level they want to be, okay, then you could scale back a little bit. Maybe you can do some type of cost cutting trade, I mean not technically what they did last year, the Kyle Lowry trade, they're making an upgrade to Terry Rosier, but they also saved a decent amount of money. So maybe there are, there is that type of trade they could potentially do in the future if they aren't able to do something bigger in the off season. And just looking big picture, NBA wide, do you think that this current CBA is designed to kind of get the three super, the big threes out of the league and create parity, like do you see there being an environment where they're no longer or three big time max salaries on rosters eventually that they will disperse enough where there's just two stars per team. Like do you see that that's where this is heading or do you think well, always they're going to have the big spenders that end up owning up enough loot to bring in three guys of that, you know, magnitude as they talk about eventually with the new TV rights deal guys making 70, 80, even eventually a hundred million dollars, they could make per year, do you think that that's going to basically eliminate the three superstar builds. So two things, one, I mentioned earlier, it also depends on what type of maxer is. The difference between what the Heat would be potentially doing this year, if they had Jimmy, Bam and Donovan Mitchell versus what the Suns are doing, the Suns have three players earning the highest max. These guys are making a hundred fifty million dollar combined, which is like, which is more than the salary cap. That's unsustainable long term. The Heat, if they got Mitchell and Bam this year both would be making the 25% max while Jimmy's making 35. That's why they can still have like a relatively deep roster while still paying like a Duncan Robinson maybe bringing back Caleb Martin at a higher amount and still having like a pretty solid roster all around. So that's like the number one, I guess like how you define the three max, but then the other thing is it just more so the new CBI thing shortens the windows because you can have, I'm sure there still will be opportunities where a team like the Heat do this type of trade or the Lakers or whoever, where they have three max guys, three stars. But now that they added the second apron where you get these draft pick penalties in the future like the frozen draft pick and then if you're in it again, your draft pick will fall to the end of the first round, a lot of teams, even the high spenders wouldn't want to deal with that. That's like, that just seems like a mess. But then the other thing is the increased luxury tax payments on the higher brackets, meaning that if you are like 15 million ish or so above the tax going starting next season they're increasing it. And then you happen to mean the repeater tax now that's even higher. They're going to make it so untenable financially that you just have to scale back. Like I don't care what the sun say about how much they're spending right now. If they run this team back next year, once they enter the repeater tax and these tax numbers are rates are about to go up even more, they could be looking at like half a billion dollar roster. I looked into it like that's not hyperbole. They could be able to get out of the first, they better win a game with the first round, I guess, right? Like I forgot I have a book. Well, I mean, there is something to be said and trust me, Josie, the heat I've noticed, you know that most of the big spending teams did not advance very far this time. I guess, you know, Boston is the one Denver, you know, was the other one, I guess, that was in the top eight salaries that was in the final eight. They didn't make it, you know, Minnesota, their costs, their costs are going to go up going forward. I mean, all these teams eventually do, but Indiana is, you know, relatively cheap by NBA standards in terms of what their payroll is right now and Dallas is not spending crazy at the moment. So, you know, and certainly the heat of notice that and they're going to try, I mean, the second apron thing I understand, like I get that, it's not about the money because it's not my money. It's about, it's about the punitive nature of it and the lack of flexibility that they would have. So, that's kind of, kind of where I'm at with it. I guess the overall, just to give heat fans something to go away with here and make sure everybody check out Josie's work, which is excellent and he may have something else for you guys to pair with this, so be on the lookout and if so, I will tweet that out. I mean, it seems to me, and heat fans are going to hate me from saying it, that what Brady has said, essentially, our colleague Brady Hawk has said, it's not running it back, it's running it back harder. May ultimately be the reality for this team because we're kind of talking about, okay, what they can do to reshape the roster, whether the hero rose year with that kind of money, plus Duncan's money, having those three guys tying up all that. When you're dealing with the Jimmy and BAM situations and salaries, that really maybe even bringing the same team back is, because we're talking about possibly losing Martin and maybe Highsmith, that's going to be a challenge actually, but yet if the heat did that, if they brought back Martin and Highsmith and did nothing else, heat fans were riots, okay? So, it's like, they'll only be upset if Martin and Highsmith leave, right, if they don't do anything else, and that's kind of where it's at, what is your most likely scenario for them, I guess? So, what did your crystal ball say? Personally, I don't, like, when looking at the Donovan Mitchell stuff, and I did release a video on the Cavaliers about what big changes are coming there, but I tend to agree that I think Donovan Mitchell will probably stay, I think he'll take a short-term deal, just because one, I, like, if you look at the heat, the Lakers, some of these more glamorous markets, I truly don't think they have enough to get Mitchell, and then if you look at the Nets, they have, like, all the picks they could offer, they've got some pretty good players that the Cavs could use, they could make an actual good offer, maybe the best offer, and, you know, Donovan Mitchell has interest in being in New York, but then, if you're Donovan Mitchell, that's really better than staying in Cleveland. Exactly. I think he's much, I think he has a much better chance of competing, winning a title in Cleveland over the next two years. So, as far as what the Heat can do, if that's off the table, I guess, most likely they just do a more, just, like, something, just, I think they can still do something. I think they definitely need to split up the back court, like, I like, I really like the Terry Rosier acquisition, but not if him and Rosier are both starting playing together. Yeah. You mean him, you mean him and hero, basically, you don't like it. Right. No, I just want to clarify, but yes. The Terry time, the TNC back court, you are not, you are not a fan of that. And look, I understand it, like, I, I, we thought they needed an upgrade a point, right, Greg? We both, we agreed on that. We both liked the Rosier move, but even Pat kind of said, well, maybe Terry could come off the bench. But it sounds like they're not convinced about it. And I get it. It's not even the offense. It's just, it's just a small back court for the modern NBA, where you're switching everything. It's just, I don't, it's, it's a tough sell. I mean, one of them has to be a six man. And then the question is, if with Tyler, there's the optics of that and, and what Terry may do it, but then again, you're spending $52 million and one of the two guys is not starting. You know, I guess Duncan is. Yeah. You know, definitely try to trade one of them, try to get just an actual answer at the four. But I don't know, for several, whatever reason the he just, it doesn't seem like those deals really, they really like go hard after them. They've been trying to get Dame and just more of back court upgrades. I'm guessing they most likely just, for the most part, stay the course. Martin goes, they bring back Kaismith, that's something and then they just find someone and it's going to be like the most disappointing off season and they'll just find two guys out of nowhere. And they're amazing. And maybe they're, whoever they draft in the number 15 is going to end up being like, like a huge caucus. Right. It's going to work out. I don't know how, but it's going to work out in the end. Run it back harder, Greg. Is that, is that the slogan? How are we feeling about about 82 games or run it back, but run it back harder? Tony, let's not even go there, please. Come on. We need at least some lateral moves, some shakeups to the roster that add some size. I think that there's some things that they can do and get creative. I'm not standing for a run it back harder. We're going to do t-shirts. We haven't done t-shirts in a long time, but I do think run it back harder, backs, you know, with, yeah, I like that t-shirt, the way that Greg's put up there, the, my Brady Hawk 305. Well, you'll see, we appreciate it. We ran it back second episode with you. We ran it back harder. So hopefully people enjoy the episode got a little bit of a better sense of it. Make sure that you follow his work. 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