VIEWPOINT with Chuck Crismier
THE "ALIGNMENT"
This is viewpoint with attorney and author Chuck Chris Meyer. Viewpoint is a one-hour talk show confronting the issues of America's heart and home. And now with today's edition of Viewpoint, here is Chuck Chris Meyer. At Passover, they cried, "Crucify him, crucify him." And a Roman governor, a crusty Roman governor, said, "I find no fault in him." Do you want me to crucify the king of the Jews? And they responded, "We have no king, but Caesar." Well they had wanted Caesar to be king ever since the days of Samuel, where they cried out for a king just like all the other nations, the Jews. So did the Jews crucify Jesus? Well, yes, by implication they did because they would allow no other alternative, it was the Sanhedra, the 71 elders in Israel that cried for his death. But they couldn't carry it out because under the law, they were under the Romans, and so the Romans had to carry it out. But the Romans didn't want to carry it out because they found no fault in him. But in order to placate the people, you see it was a very political institution then. The politics between the Romans and the Jews and so on, the Jewish leaders. And the Romans didn't want to offend the Jewish leaders for fear of an insurrection that might go all the way back to Rome. And then it wouldn't look pretty. And so Pontius Pilate said, "You know what? I find no fault in him. Bring me a bowl." He washed his hands over the whole situation and said, "You do it. You take care of it." And so they did. They crucified Jesus. They mocked him on the cross. They said, "If you be the Son of God, come on down. Just show us, we'll believe, but not so much." And so today we have, again, we have the Jewish people enmeshed in a worldwide confirmation conflagration with anti-Semitism, exploding everywhere in the world, and particularly in the ancient Roman world. Well, the expansion of the ancient Roman world, including the United States of America. So we still have the Jews and the Romans in this problem. And then comes the word messiah. Where does messiah fit in all of this? When the Jews believe that Jesus Yeshua was a counterfeit, not only a counterfeit, but a blasphemous surrogate for the one God of the universe. And therefore, we have a problem. We have a serious conundrum in our world today if we believe what the Scripture says about a one new man, that Jew and Gentile will become one new man in Christ. How is that even possible given these historic and deeply rooted divisions? Well, there's a group of people called Messianic Jews, purported they're a group of people who have said, "Yes, we believe that Yeshua was Messiah. We believe that Jesus was Messiah." But then again, we have a problem there because among so-called Christians, Gentile Christians, and among so-called Messianic Jews, there are still significant differences of viewpoint. And as we say regularly here on this program, viewpoint determines destiny. So how are we going to bridge these viewpoints? Well, today, from Jerusalem, we have a very special guest joining us, Asher Entreter with his book Alignment, creating a new synergy for Israel and the church in the end times. In other words, he believes that we are in the end times so that all these things must be dealt with. They must be dealt with, and he said they're going to be dealt with along basically three lines. That's right, along basically three lines. He says, "We're out of alignment. We're going to have to get into alignment." But what does it mean to get into alignment after, well, a minimum of 2,000 years of radical difference, and perhaps, depending on who you think of it, 3,500 years of radical difference. So Asher Entreter, joining us from Jerusalem today, brother, it's going to have you on the program. Hello, Chuck, nice to be here and hello to everybody. Well, Tikvod Israel, that means the hope of Israel, doesn't it? Yes, so, huh? So where's the hope? You see, we sing a song here. We sing a song here. Our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness. We dare not trust the sweetest frame, but holy lean on Jesus' name. So where is the hope of Israel? Where is Tikvod Israel? Well, we have a lot of hope, and our hope is based in the scriptures. We are believers. The scriptures describe the situation that from beginning to end, there's conflict of everything in the world, but the conflict all works toward the end where everything turns out again to be the Garden of Eden, and we're working toward the restoration of all things. So we have to be honest on the one side, looking at the extremely difficult conflicts that we're going under, but then also be people of hope and faith, knowing that the end, God is in control. He's all powerful. He's good. He loves us, and it's all working for a perfect world with perfect people. And that's what we're going for. Well, every day I spend time on Israel National News, the Jerusalem Post, and sometimes Howarats.com, and try to get a sense of where the thinking is as I read articles and opinions by rabbis of various ips, what I find is the hope is built on we're called to be the moral engines of the world. We're called to make the world moral from God's viewpoint. And therefore, if we just work harder and we just keep the Torah, then we're going to save the world. That's the viewpoint that is communicated all the time, even from Orthodox Jews. What say you? Well, I would say this, understanding if someone was looking at the Bible, I take the Bible, both the law and the prophets and the New Covenant are basis of truth, but I will also call Judeo-Christian value. Obviously, if you're looking at the scriptures as an Orthodox religious Jew would today, which would not include the New Covenant with the introduction of the grace of the sacrifice of Yeshua, and then you're dealing with the history where God gives to the world through the Jewish people, us a law, the absolute moral law of what's right and wrong and tells us to obey it. So I would say that's basically the position, God, we believe in God, we submit to God. He told us to do this. So we do it. There you go. And we understand that there will be judgment and according to what you do and don't do, that's where the judgment will come. So that's their viewpoint and it's pretty easy to understand that. Well, it is easy to understand that if you realize that they have rejected Yeshua, they rejected Jesus, they refused to read Isaiah 53, 52 and 53 openly in congregational form because it leads inevitably to the belief in the salvation through a divine Messiah Yeshua. And so we have a situation where within Israel, even the Orthodox Jews will say, you know what? You Gentiles can be saved, but you have to keep the Noahide laws. You don't have to keep all the Torah, but you do have to keep the Noahide laws. Well, in other words, we can safely save ourselves as well. We don't need a Messiah to save us. Where we go from there, we'll approach that when we get back to this break. Once upon a time, children could pray and read their Bibles in school. Divorces were practically unknown as was child abuse. In our once great America, virginity and chastity were popular virtues and homosexuality was an abomination. So what happened in just one generation? Hi, I'm Chuck Chris Meyer and I urge you to join me daily on Viewpoint where we discuss the most challenging issues touching our hearts and homes. Could America's morals slide, relate to the fourth commandment, listen to Viewpoint on this radio station, or any time at saveus.org. Welcome back to Viewpoint. I'm Chuck Chris Meyer. Today we're dealing with some very significant Viewpoints that have been determining and setting the course of destiny and will continue to do so unless they change. Our special guest today, Asher Intrader, with his book Alignment, which is talking about how to bring what God is trying to do as a father to bring both Jew and Gentile together, particularly a particular form of Jew and Gentile. Not just all Jews and Gentiles, but a particular form of Jew and Gentile. We need to talk about what that particular form is, but in the meantime, there is a term a word, I believe I get the word right mitzvah, which means doing good works basically. In other words, do good according to what you believe. The Old Testament tells you the Torah in particular. If you do those mitzvah, you'll be saved, you'll be fine, you'll do good. So Gentiles can do the mitzvah of the Noahide laws, and they will redeem themselves and be saved as righteous Jews, so to speak. Do I have that correct, Asher? Yes, well, I mean, I'm looking at it as I see as a scriptural definition. God is the Holy God, and it's the Holy God, he gives us moral commandment. He gives us moral commandment because his greatest quality of love, and he loves us. He loves all human beings, because he loves us, he gave us free will. And obviously, that gives us the choice to love him or not to love him, to support to do right or to sin. And we've all unfortunately chosen to sin, some more or some less. And so in the midst of that, God has to come down and define for us what is right and what is wrong. If you don't have a definition, then you don't have anything that's right or wrong. Exactly. He says, "Now, I'm giving you, I love you, I'm giving you free will, and you're doing what's something that's wrong. So let me come now and define for you what is wrong and what is right." And so there's a lot of laws, a lot of commandments, but let's keep it as simple as possible. Let's go with the Ten Commandments, actually Jesus and Self, Yeshua emphasized actually five of them, which is the most obvious sort of interpersonal moral commandments. Right. I'm not sure I've killed, I'm sure I've committed adultery, not steal, not lie, and honor your parents. He emphasized those five. And he said, "So those are the basic moral standards. Now in the world today, that's one of the things that I think the world is missing right now. We've lost that basic moral standard. People don't even believe that they should be faithful to a marriage. They don't believe they shouldn't lie. So God has to come in to this group of people and say, "Let me define to you what is right or wrong." Okay. I agree with that. Yeah. I agree with that. Now, the missing link, the missing link it seems is we have abandoned the fear of the Lord from the church house to the white house to the school house to the courthouse and also to Israel's house. We've really abandoned the real fear of the Lord and therefore, yeah, you got all these laws. You got the 10 commandments. But who cares? We're going to do it our way. We're the law of the land now. Right. So God has defined it that way. And I think in, at least in the ultra orthodox Judaism that I know here in Israel, there is a very clear accepting of those absolute moral standards. Now, if you take those moral standards, then you try to obey them. Now that gives you a certain paradox because on the one hand, you're trying to obey them so you're walking, trying to obey the law so there's a certain degree of righteousness. Right. On the other hand, you know you're not completing them all. So you can do that on the other hand. You know you're in danger. That's where the fear of the Lord comes from. And also Jesus. He did not do away with the 10 commandments. He made it worse. He said not worse. I'm saying he made it not just outwardly, but inwardly because it's not enough not just to not commit adultery. He said, you have not committed adultery with your eyes. It's not enough not just to kill. You can't speak and kindly to other people. So he's trying to get Yeshua and God in general, trying to get to the heart of a human being and say, look, there's something wrong with our heart. Right. Well, the heart of the matter is the heart. And apparently as you read through the book of Ezekiel in Isaiah and Jeremiah, which my wife and I are now reading through Jeremiah, God was never able to get the heart of the people. Very seldom in a very limited way could not get the heart of the people. And finally, he's just said, you know, I can't deal with you anymore. I'm a loving father. My hand is reached out still to you, but I can't get your hearts. I can't get your minds. I can't get your hearts. So what am I supposed to do? Right. So you have the choice on the one hand of total punishment as we've seen the days of Noah as we see it's done in tomorrow. But then God is saying, but look, I still love you. I need to give you an option. Well, how about the days of Babylon? How about the days when the Romans came through in 70 AD and dispersed the Jewish people throughout the world? How about the days of Sennacherib when the Assyrians came in and dispersed the 10 northern tribes so that they're now called the 10 lost tribes? How about that? Yes. Well, first of all, the Bible never refers to the 10 lost tribes, I don't think that's true. But anyway, the right. So when Israel was in as a nation, they would be punished. They were righteous. They would be blessed on this relative level moral level of keeping the law. Would that be true? Would that be true of professing Christians as well? Be careful about your answer. Yeah. So let me just finish that point there in the same. So God always, with the nation of Israel as the model nation, which is in the bottle, we don't really have another nation, and so we see when the people would sin, they would be punished. And when they would do righteous, they would be blessed. So if you mention this, Sennacherib coming, but after that, when they came in to destroy Israel, the northern 10 tribes, but then actually came in that the Assyrians came in the time of Hezekiah, and the angel of the Lord killed them. Right. It was a good king. True. And reward throughout. That's it. You have moral law, punishment, and reward. That's kind of a theme throughout the whole scriptures till you get to the good news of the doctrine. There you go. Okay. Now, what I want to do is gradually bring this into the more focused perspective of what your book really is about. But in order to understand that in the heart of history, I think we have to look at realistically – without a smokescreen, we have to look realistically at the thousands of years of history of this situation. Now, my understanding is that it is at least from an Orthodox view, there in Israel, or perhaps more broadly than that, the view of the Jewish people is what has been called the Helix of history. In other words, God will work at one level down here, and then you go around and the same thing will happen as kind of like deja vu all over again, and He deals with it at another level. And then another level, and then ultimately you end up close to a tighter version of this ultimately at the apex of the Helix of history. What I sense in your book is that what you're focusing on now is not what happened before, but the progression of the Helix of history from God's viewpoint that we're now approaching the apex, which is that Jew and Gentile believers in Messiah become one. Yes, for sure, it's on the basis of the history that we have as written in the Bible, and the basis of the history since the writing of the Bible, of what we have, the development of Israel, the history of Israel, and the search over these years. And so now the things are changing, and we're coming to a different point where if you look on the church side, the gospel has had time to go around the whole world. It's been in every nation of the world, and Israel has been exiled for 2,000 years and now brought back to our land, and now the different dynamic is happening, really, we haven't really had this situation before where you had Israel as a nation and the International Ekkothea, the International Church, existing at the same time. And that's allowing for within Israel there are Jewish people, like myself, who believe in Yeshua, and there are Christians, not all, but some of them who see themselves connected to the history of Israel. So you have in these two people groups, the International Church and the nation of Israel, people that are beginning to join themselves together to see a unified plan of God in which the history of Israel and the nations is coming together into a climax. Now that will be a climax of evil, which ultimately ends up in a big attack, which we're seeing a lot in the world today, but it ends up that climax comes out after a huge conflict of coming into something that's really wonderful and very good. One of the little parts of that is that among the people in the world that believe in Yeshua today, there's also Arabs. There are Arab Christians. True. You have not just Israel and the International Church, but you also have Arab Christians who love Yeshua and they love us, they love Jesus, they love Israel people, and we have a wonderful relationship with them. Alright, well let's talk about the numbers of people that we're talking about right now. In America, we have quite a number of what are called messianic congregations, and as I've talked to some of the rabbis and so on of those congregations, they basically admit that about 50% of the people in those congregations are not Jews at all. They're Gentiles who some work are calling wannabe Jews. So even in the so-called messianic movement in America, it's not filled with Jewish people. Why is that? First of all, you can look at numbers as good or bad. For sure, the numbers are still relatively speaking around the world low, but I would say within messianic congregations, you could look at that wrong as people that want to be Jews, or you could say that there's good-hearted Christians that want to connect as they understood the early church that was within, still connected with Israel and the Jewish people before that, so I don't know if that's necessarily wrong, you have to have the right heart in that. Exactly, you have to have the right heart in that, but you can't amalgamate your congregation. You can't amalgamate yourself with Jewishness and expect that that's going to be a basis for salvation for Gentiles. No, no, no, there's only the whole point we were talking about, the law, the law brings us to the point where you, which is, of course, quoted many times throughout the law and the prophets, but you get to the beginning of the preaching of the message of the New Covenant and it also is ensuring that, listen, we all have to realize that we've all sinned, so we have that point of repentance. Once you reach that point, then you have the good news of Yeshua coming and saying, "Now, if you're repenting, now I'm going to give you the answer." The answer is, "You're going to get forgiveness on the basis of my taking your punishment for." There you go. And you're going to get at the death of Am I rising from the dead, so that's the good news. If you have to start out with the law, which causes you to understand you've sinned, which causes you to desire to repent, and that sets up the question, so then you get the answer in the gospel of Yeshua coming to give us the sin and the solution of death. Once we cross over that point, then you can have love and fellowship between the different people that have received that, and that's where God's hope is. And that's where your book picks up. That's where your book picks up, and you're talking about the alignment that's going to be required necessary for Jewish believers in Yeshua. That is a remnant of Jews, and the Echlesia, actually a remnant of Gentiles, will be brought together as one new man in Christ is the Apostle Paul, a superseding Jew with Jewish preparation has declared very carefully. You say there must be global alignment. The Abrahamic family must be discussed and understood, and then there will be a restoration of all things, and we want to talk about that for the balance of the program here today. The book is alignment friends, creating a new synergy for Israel and the church in the end times. $17 is going to put the book in your hands. It's on our website, saveus.org. You can call us at 1-800-SAVE USA, 1-800-SAVE USA, or write to us at Save America Ministries, PO Box 7 0 8 7 9 Richmond, Virginia, 2, 3, 2, 5, 5, writing a check at $5 for postage and handling. This is an extremely important book. Asher and I work very hard to try to connect ourselves to be able to do this program live for you from Jerusalem, and we brought it together. You've got to get a copy of the book to help us to understand. This is God's greater plan and purpose. If you want to understand what God's greater plan and purpose is, you need to understand what we're talking about here today and this book. So our guest today says, "Now it is a time for the international ecclesia that is a research to turn its attention back to Jerusalem as we seek to complete the Great Commission and get ready for the coming of Yeshua's Kingdom. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done. Restoring the kingdom of Israel is one of the primary themes of the whole Bible," he says. And I agree with him. How is that going to happen? That's what we want to talk about for the balance of this program. It's going to take a huge adjustment of Yeshua or Jesus' disciples, just like they had to make when he reversed the order of their expectations back then during his ministry. He's now trying to get us to get in line with the order of his expectations today. The one new man will be right back. There is so much more about Chuck Chris Meyer and Save America Ministries on our website SaveUS.org. For example, under the marriage section, God has marriage on his mind. Chuck has some great resources to strengthen your marriage. First off, a fact sheet on the state of the marital union, a fact sheet on the state of ministry, marriage, and morals, SaveUS.org. Marriage, divorce, and remarriage, what does the Bible really teach about this? Find all of this at SaveUS.org. Also, a letter to pastors, the Hosea Project, SaveUS.org. And many more resources to strengthen your marriage. It's all on Chuck's website, SaveUS.org. Again, you can listen to Chuck's viewpoint broadcast live and archived, Save America Ministries website at SaveUS.org. Save anti-Semitism surging through the resurrected Roman Empire, Europe, NATO, the Americas, massive anti-Semitism surging. Behind that is coming massive Christian persecution. I wonder, since our guest today, Ashree Intrader says, that we're talking about the end times that he believes we're in those times, I'm wondering to what extent perhaps then this massive anti-Semitism coupled with growing massive persecution of Christians will help to press Jew and Gentile believers together as one new man in Christ. What say you? Well, I certainly do think so, and what's happening in the world today is, first of all, bringing these issues to life. Imagine, this is the first time in 2000 years that in every single nation, every single capital, every single city in the world today, one of the front page news is what's happening in Israel. All right, that may be there interpreting the news wrong, but at least the subject is being brought up. Well, life's read faster at the beginning than the truth, the truth that they catch up to the life, but the subject is being lifted up. For sure, there is hatred in the world. The Bible says that actually the hatred in the world comes from intelligent evil. There's really a satanic forces that, as along with the sin of men, that makes for evil. It's against the king of kings, the king of the Jews, the Lord of lords, which is Yeshua. So since he is the king of Jews and the end of the church, that the attack of anti-Israel, anti-Semitism, and the attack of Christians is really, it's really the same spirit. It's actually coming against kin, and it's coming against the people who believe him in him around the world, which is the echosene. It's coming against the people of Israel who are his natural family. So this is all the hatred is coming against him, but God is all powerful and God doesn't have a problem winning. There's not a conflict in the level of who has more power. The issue is only the hearts of people. God still loves all people, no matter what their background is, and he's looking to pull people toward him, but certainly this is a historic process that I see Israel going through. Isn't that interesting thing? I see Israel right now. The nation is going through a revival. It's not a revival about Yeshua yet, but the people in the country are being humbled. They're turning to God. They're bringing the Bible there, they're praying on the television. It's an amazing thing, a change of heart. Now that's going to keep going until there's a real revival in the sense of understanding who the true Messiah is, but we are moving for that in a historic process of God is restoring the nation of Israel. The last part of the restoration of Israel is a revival in Satan Yeshua, but we're moving along that process very quickly. All right, quickly in the mind and heart of God, not so quickly in the mind and heart of man. When we talk about quickness, God says, "Look, I'm going to punish you for a short period of time." Well, that's been at least 2000 years now. From God's perspective, that's only two days. So when we look at time, it's time from God's viewpoint. Time from our viewpoint is very different. If we talk about Messiah, which you just mentioned, going back about 30 years, the expectation of Messiah in any talk about Messiah in Israel was about 16%, the expectation of Messiah. Now the expectation verbally placed is over 60%. In other words, there has been a very strong movement toward the anticipation of Messiah. The only question is, who is that Messiah? What is that Messiah? That's the real issue that is confronting the Jewish people. In fact, one rabbi came out and actually said a few years ago, we're experiencing, he used new Testament thinking or ideas to express his view, and he said, "We're in the birth pains of the Messiah." We're in that time. So that being the case, yes, there is great movement, but the question still remains, who is the Messiah and why the resistance? It seems to me, Asher, that the number one resistance to Jewish embrace of Yeshua as Messiah is the words of the Book of Deuteronomy. There is only one God, one God, and therefore Yeshua becomes at least two gods, and if you talk about the Holy Spirit, then you're talking about three gods, and that is what should we say, divine polygamy, and we're not going to go to that. No, there's only one God, therefore we must reject Yeshua as Messiah. What say you? Well, yes, the issue of is the Messiah divine, is an important issue. Actually, I wrote another book on that called "Who A. Gunch with Abraham?" Amazing time when God appears to Abraham in the form of a man, sit down, as lunch with him, describes how he's going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, two of the three people that visit him are angels, they go down to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, the third one who is God in the form of a man. The pre-incarnate Christ, the pre-incarnate Messiah, yes. And I go through that, and I show that there's maybe almost 30 places throughout the law, and the Prophet that this person appears, so we're not believing in something different, we're believing in this person, there is one God that he has chosen also to reveal himself to mankind, and not only through the stars, and only through a pillar of fire and smoke, but also through this person. So the idea of this person, whether it's the angel of the Lord or the Messiah, or that is essential to biblical faith, and I think that's been ignored, but I think it will come up to the people. But what I'm saying is this understanding of who Yeshua is, is the end of the process. It's interesting that for Christians in some ways, understanding who, or Gentile Christians, understanding who Yeshua is, is the beginning of the process, for Israel, is the end of the process. So the two are coming together, it's interesting when Yeshua talked about the end times, and it says in the book of Matthew that there's two different prerequisites for His coming, for the coming of the kingdom of God upon the earth, in Matthew 24, it says, "This gospel of the kingdom must be preached in all the nations, and then the end will come." In Matthew 23, he says to the Jews in Jerusalem, that's why we're here, is that you will not see me again, so you say, "Blessed he who comes in the name of the Lord." So we have these two processes of the gospel going around the world, and the process of the exile and restoration of Israel, which leads up to the nation and Jerusalem, and then finally revival and a thing. So we're finding God is working a historical process in the two that eventually come together into one. And so from your perspective, that also is confirming that we are in the period of time, not just called the end times, but the latter days at the end times. Well, I would say, actually, I kind of agree with your rabbi friend that quoted it. You know, you should have said there are birth things. With the beginning of the birth things, the Bible also speaks of a period of time of seven years at the end. I don't think we've even started those seven years, so it's not like it's going to return tomorrow, but we are definitely moving in. The birth things have started, yes. That's how fast they're going to keep going, but we are in that beginning of tribulations. That's what I do in right now, we're in the beginning of those tribulations. All right, well, I'm glad you mentioned that I'm glad you mentioned that infamous word tribulation because actually the Greek meaning of that is pressure. And we're Jews are experiencing pressure, Israel is experiencing pressure. The Christians are experiencing more and more pressure. That's what persecution is about. And so these are the indications indeed that tribulation is here. Jesus said, in this life you will have tribulation. And so we shouldn't be just referring that to some seven year period. It's a period leading up to the coming of the Lord. Now in your book, you say that both the crucifixion of Yeshua and the second coming occur in Jerusalem. So in other words, the focus from God's viewpoint is on Jerusalem Jerusalem, the place where God called to choose place his name, which is the place where the leaders of our world and of the coming Antichrist will choose to put their name. This is the great battle that's ready to take place or is already taking place in our world, I think. And for sure, all the evil that is in the world is to stop the coming of God's kingdom, stop the coming of this perfect world with Yeshua, so what we believe the Bible says, if you will return, it will be the resurrection of the dead, and there will be a beautiful world with Him reigning as king over all the nations. There will be peace in all the world which won't come from the United Nations, but will come from Yeshua who reign as a king, and this global kingdom of peace and prosperity as a capital, and that capital is Jerusalem, and then has a king, and his name is Jesus, Yeshua. Well, even a Roman governor declared that Yeshua was the king of kings. He said the king of Israel, the rabbis, the Sanhedrin rejected it, but he said so put it on a sign in Greek and Latin and Roman, so that's been declared for 2,000 years, and yet if you go to the book of Hosea, you find a very interesting passage that says, after two days, that is two days of their dispersion and seeming exile, the third day, I will raise them up. Now that's almost never talked about in our churches, how about in Israel, how about among the Jewish people, the third day, I will raise them up. Are we not in that third day or right on the edge of it right now? Yes, well there's a beautiful theme of scriptures which is kind of hard for some people to understand, but the history of Israel re-enacts the life of Yeshua. The life of Yeshua himself as a person, as the king of Israel, that's the pattern what's going to happen for the history of the whole nation. His personal biography becomes a locked-in sovereign model for the biography of the whole nation. So Yeshua was killed, died without his body for two days and then came back as his race. So the nation of Israel, 1,000 years for each day, the Bible says that if we were exiled, which is like the death of our nation coming out of the body of our land, and then after 2,000 years we've come back, and now the resurrection of the restoration has started. So it's amazing to me, and either Christians that understand their Jewish roots or mess in the Jews, both of these halves, you have the death and resurrection of Yeshua and you have the exile and restoration of Israel, which are parallel, biblical events. Absolutely, they are, we'll build on that after this break, and we'll be right back after this. Stay tuned. Have you ever considered what the early church was like? Many people are developing a heart longing for greater fulfillment in our practices as Christians. A recent study showed 53,000 people a week are leaving the back door of America's churches in frustration. What is going on? Why has there not been even a 1% gain among followers of Christ in the last 25 years? Could it be that God is seeking to restore 1st century Christianity for the 21st century? Jesus said, "I'll build my church." Is Christ by His Spirit stirring to prepare the church for the 21st century? The early church prayed together and broke bread from house to house. They were family, and it was said by all who observed, "Behold how they love one another." Incredible. But the same can be found right now. Go to savers.org and click sell church. We can revive 1st century Christianity for the 21st century. It's about people, not programs, it's about a body, not a building that's savers.org. Click sell church. Again, I welcome you back to Viewpoint. Today we're talking about how Jew and Gentile, particularly Messianic Jews and believing Gentiles, the ecclesia, can be united as one new man. That's what the heart of Asher and Traders' book, Alignment, is all about. That's why it is so critically important that we catch this vision. You see, without the vision, the people perish. We don't get it. And so we've gone through some history. We've gone through some of the struggle now over 2000, actually more than that years. And God is working. We're approaching the end of the age. It's rapidly approaching, at least from God's viewpoint. It seems like he's being overly patient, maybe too long. On the other hand, his hand is reached out still to both Jew and Gentile, to both Jew and Gentile unbelievers, but even the more so to Jewish Messianic believers and professing Gentile believers, both of them remnants in their perspective or respective groups. Now what's going to happen? How can those come together? That's what this book is really about, I believe, from the heart, the heart of God, $17.00 or put it in your hands. I hope you'll get a copy of it. It is on our website, save us.org, save us.org. You can call us at 1-800-SAVEUSA, 1-800-SAVEUSA, or write to us at Save America Ministries, PO Box 70879, Richmond, Virginia 23255, again, writing a check at $5 for postage and handling. We're talking about the alignment. What is the Israel of God? What is the Israel of God? The Apostle Paul, as an Israel light, raised as an Orthodox Jew, maybe he was almost an ultra-Orthodox Jew in the leadership of Gamalia, said that God is actually what he's really looking for is the Israel of God. He's not talking about people who have a physical descendant from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in and of itself. He's talking about people who have embraced God's hope or tick-vought Israel, the hope of Israel, Messiah, and so then we have Jews who purport to have done that. They would call them Messianic Jews or fulfilled Jews or whatever term you want to use, and then we have Gentiles who claim to be in Christ, united in Christ, but the problem is not necessarily are either one totally in Christ. So what does it mean? Well, in John 17, Jesus' high priestly prayer, he said that they may be one, that the world may know that you have sent me. Well, what does that mean? The problem is we never quote the part that Jesus said that would make us one. He says, "Sanctify or set them apart according to thy truth, thy word is truth." That's what we don't want much to hear, truth. That's what's supposed to unite Christians, and that's what's supposed to unite Jews and Christians. Why doesn't it, Asher? Well, the truth is, of course, what unites us in the love of God. There's always, you only have one truth so you can have as many lives as you can. There's always more lies that go around in these truths, but the truth stands and the truth will last forever. All right. Hold on. Let's apply it. Yes, it's the love of God. Yes, it's the love of man, but it's much more than that. God defines it. For instance, he says, "Thou shalt not commit adultery." You quoted that. Okay? So, why is it that both Jew and Gentile believe it's okay to divorce and remarry and divorce and remarry when Jesus said, "Whoever divorces their spouse causes them to commit adultery and who marries the ones so divorce commits adultery." We don't believe that. That's truth from Jesus' own mouth, but neither Jew nor Gentile really believe that. Why? Well, there are a lot of Jews and Gentiles that do believe that. This is what we call classic Judeo-Christian values. But it's not believed in this country. Let me tell you why it's not believed in this country, because for the past 20 years, the divorce rate in the Bible Belt of America has exceeded the nation as a whole by 50%. We don't believe it in this country. No we don't. Not in the church. We don't believe it. I don't judge, and neither does God judge by numbers. There's right and wrong whether there's a majority of minorities. Now what you do, what you do reveals what you believe is truth, right? Isn't that the Hebrew meaning of the word "believe"? It doesn't mean to give cognitive assent to certain beliefs. It means to do what you say you believe. Isn't that what it means to believe? Sure. To believe in the Hebrew roots, faith and faithfulness, it's really the same word. Exactly. You agree too. Exactly. And so that's an example of one of the things that unites, I think Christians and Jews... Should unite them. Basic. Should... Should... Should unite them. Well, I'm going to see that. All right. Those basic values of which is certainly accepted by a large number of people here in Israel, Jewish people who are not, who still maybe don't believe in Jesus, but they accept that more law. But for many, many Christians around the world, don't forget there's a big world out there that's not just America. Absolutely. That's absolutely true. So let's talk about, as we're approaching the end of the program here, what does this one new man look like? How do we get there? What is it among so-called Jewish followers of Messiah that seems to be, shall we say, out of sync with Gentile Christian beliefs? What is it that's keeping us from becoming that one new man? Well, let's say that this is God's plan to bring us together. As you quoted from John 17, God wants us all to be one. And that's the truth of the Scriptures and to faith in Yeshua as the Messiah. Who is the King of the Jews and the King of Kings of all? There you go. Come together in it. We, as I said before, we in Israel and throughout the Middle East, we have Arabs and Jews together who love one another because of our mutual faith together in Yeshua. We have already what the world sees as this big problem that can't be solved. We already have it solved. We have peace and love within us. And throughout the world, you also see that people that join together through faith and love begin to, the solution is already there. All right. So we can't achieve this. We can't achieve this by political compromise and negotiations. No, it comes from our hearts need to be changed. There you go. So God is in a process of move. I think what I see is happening in, let's take these three worlds, the Arab world, the Israeli world and the greater Christian world. And in the greater Christian world, there's so many properties are being fulfilled right now in Israel and there, anybody reads the Bible for what something is happening here and then beginning to feel connected with it. Any Christian born again Bible reading believes that Yeshua is going to come back. He's got, if he's going to come back, he's got to come back somewhere. And where's the place of says clearly is Bible, his feet will touch down on the Mount of Olives, which is in Jerusalem. He will come again into Jerusalem with shout of Hosanna. So when any Bible believe in Christian around the world sees the event that's happening in Jerusalem, as you Jesus said, look up, you know, the time is getting short. You'll know that it's happening. So what I see around the world, I'm a little more optimistic in that sense, I see millions of Christians around the world, including in Iran. I ran. There are millions of people that are coming to faith in Jesus and they love Jews. They love Israel. It was happening around the world. And so the Christians are moving in that direction. The Jewish people are turning more also because of the attacks against us are turning and crying out to God. And one of the things that they're seeing is that nobody loves us in the world. Everybody's against us except one group of people, we see them in every nation of the world. There's some strange group of people called evangelical Christians and they all love us. And people know that. And I've seen even on news, when you imagine new secular news program here, one news comment here said, well, all the nations hate us and somebody said, well, no, that's not true. And every nation, there's a lot of these Christians that really love us. So God is beginning to bring our hearts together. And then also in the Arab world, there are Arab Christians, but there are those who come from Muslim background are coming up and they say, well, radical Islam lied to us. And now we find love. We come in Jesus and he's Jewish. We love Jewish people. So there's a movement of both in Israel in the Arab nations, in the international church that is God is pulling us all together. At the same time, there is a rising strong anti missionary movement among Orthodox rabbis to at the very least, highly suspect evangelical motivations in doing anything positive for Israel. They say, we're just trying to seduce the Jews to go back there so they can be destroyed according to the book of Zechariah. What say you? Well, I say that's wrong. What can I tell you, but God is it's always been there, but that's that's something that God is working on right now. I mean, we have ultra Orthodox do the digital thing. They don't want to serve in the army. I think that's wrong, too. Right. We have a huge, we have a huge LGBTQ movement in this country too, which I think is also wrong. The fact that some people are four things are against thing that doesn't make it right or wrong. What makes God determines what's right and wrong. And He's moving this plan. I want to make sure we get to this before the end. This plan is moving toward a good ending, you know, even physics says to every action there's an equal and opposite reaction, but you see in the world today, all the evil is an equal and opposite reaction of something that's good. It's already happening. There is a lot of good that's happening. And Paul described in Romans 11 that when we become grafted together like an olive tree, that that's going to bring the resurrection of the dead. That's going to bring every good thing in the book of Ephesians. It says when we realize, you know, and gentle, and I would put Arabs in there as well, when we realize that we are co inheritors and we become married together into one new man, that's marriage language, as we become married together, then all of the wisdom of God is going to be revealed to the earth in the midst of all this attack against us all. There is a unity, a grafting and marrying a joint inheritance that through that, the whole world is going to be the wonderful plan of God for a purchase world and perfect people and peace and prosperity with Jesus as our King. Well, that's well stated. That is the overarching vision. That is God's plan. It's moving inexorably through history and prophecy is being fulfilled. As you say in your book, as the Messianic Jewish remnant is restored to the global church, we will all be more aligned for the outpouring on all flesh of the Holy Spirit in these end times, just as the Prophet Joel foretold. You say there are seven. Let me say one thing there. Let me say one thing there, except, you know, what you just said, this plan. That's what the Bible calls the kingdom of God. Yes, it is. That's one of the two prerequisites. This message of the kingdom of God, what we're talking about needs to be preached in the whole world. And then the kingdom will come. How can the kingdom come? The message isn't preached. I'm telling you, that's what I'm here to do is to spread the message of the kingdom of God, which I'm not here to sell books. I'm here to spread the message of the kingdom of God, just as you are, we all are. That's exactly what we do here on this program. That's exactly what we do here on this program. That's why I wanted to make sure we brought you on because you're bringing a very important aspect of this that is seldom heard or understood within the broader Gentile world and church. You say there are seven specific prerequisites for this alignment with Israel set by God. They're necessary for the second petacost to take place. The restoration of Israel, restoration of the Messianic remnant within Israel, restoration of the fivefold ministry gifts within the Israeli remnant, right relationship between Messianic Jews and the international church, understanding of the end times, understanding the feasts of Israel and united in prayer, understanding the feasts of Israel. They are all were all prophetic, were to be lived out by Israel prophetically. Three of them, the fall feasts have not yet been fulfilled. The first four were, but you're saying we should be looking for, so to speak, a second petacost. You'll have to read the book friends to understand what that's about the book alignment, creating a new synergy for Israel and the church and the end times. I really hope you'll get the book. I really do because Asher is bringing the heart of the father to this whole issue and we need to grasp the significance of it. All of us need to grasp it, both Jew and Gentile. Again, $17 we'll put the book in your hands. It's on our website, save us.org, give us a call 1-800-SAVE-USA, write to us at $5 for closing in handling, become a partner friends. We're confronting the deepest issues of America's heart and home from God's eternal perspective. In fact, the whole world's heart and home. That's what we're doing, right here today, discipling for destiny. Become a partner. Don't wait for the other guy to do it. Let's all come on board. Do what you can do. You can't do what you can't do. Do what you can do in God will bless you. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. 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